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The big Brexit betting market as seen above in the betdata.io chart is whether Johnson will achieve his objective of an October 31st exit as per the Article 50 deadline.
I often laugh at Trumps ridiculous tweets and pronoucements but the latest tweets abusing people are just those of an internet troll plain and simple. Bonkers.
I often laugh at Trumps ridiculous tweets and pronoucements but the latest tweets abusing people are just those of an internet troll plain and simple. Bonkers.
i just wonder sometimes and watching his press conference yesterday whether its all just a "donald trump persona" and he's actually like that in reality, or just a part he's playing.
surely no one can be that completely barking mad? it's like he's suffered some sort of brain injury.
i just wonder sometimes and watching his press conference yesterday whether its all just a "donald trump persona" and he's actually like that in reality, or just a part he's playing.
surely no one can be that completely barking mad? it's like he's suffered some sort of brain injury.
Really? The press conference looked to me like rational, and rationally expressed, anger (whether it was justified is another matter of course). What was mad about saying the question had already been answered and was irrelevant to the press conference? And how insane is it to say there's corruption in the US press?
The transition is a bespoke (new) treaty agreement with an ex member state, so it a Deal was passed by both the UK and EU, A50 expires, we’re no longer a member of the EU and we entered it it would certainly count as a YES.
Over the years, has a judiciously interpreted betting market been a better predictor of outcomes than polls?
Quite the opposite on a number of occasions.
Trump and Brexit being two examples.
And 2015 as I recall.
Trump was polling behind pretty consistently, *especially* in the polls of the swing states that eventually won him the race. So I'd say the markets and the polls were equally wrong about that.
My memory for Brexit was that there were quite a few polls showing Leave leads, but what the markets thought (from historical performance) were the better ones were showing leads for Remain. I'm not sure what the polling averages would have shown - I guess it would depend on how you did the averaging.
On topic, a fun possibility is that the UK requests an extension and the EU grants one, but ministers sulkily refuse to produce the appropriate statutory instrument that notifies UK law of this, so the 1972 European Communities Act has been repealed, but as far as international law is concerned the country is still in the EU.
On topic, a fun possibility is that the UK requests an extension and the EU grants one, but ministers sulkily refuse to produce the appropriate statutory instrument that notifies UK law of this, so the 1972 European Communities Act has been repealed, but as far as international law is concerned the country is still in the EU.
Won’t work. The Benn act amended the European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018 to state that the Minister of the Crown must change the date to match the extension.
On topic, a fun possibility is that the UK requests an extension and the EU grants one, but ministers sulkily refuse to produce the appropriate statutory instrument that notifies UK law of this, so the 1972 European Communities Act has been repealed, but as far as international law is concerned the country is still in the EU.
Won’t work. The Benn act amended the European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018 to state that the Minister of the Crown must change the date to match the extension.
Are the chances of us leaving on 31st October really as high as 26%? Let's suppose that the EU are secretly much keener on having a deal than they are letting on, that Boris actually wants one, that his text yesterday is broadly agreed during the current week and then endorsed at the leaders conference, that he can somehow get Parliament to agree it, that the EU Parliament doesn't veto it, that I win the lottery, twice, (is this really necessary? ed) and universal peace becomes so endemic that even the DUP get cuddly.
Don't we still need a technical extension to put through legislation that the government has been too scared to table until now? I think we would but I suppose if everything was rushed through, I mean its not as if Parliament is chock full of people who think this is the worst idea since Eve asked Adam if he fancied a bite, is it?
What if we have retrospective legislation that says we left on 31st October?
Roughly the same impact as retrospective legislation that we won this Summer’s Ashes, at a guess.
It's just that section 20(1) of the European (Withdrawal) Act 2018 says
“retrospective provision”, in relation to provision made by regulations, means provision taking effect from a date earlier than the date on which the regulations are made;
and I was idly wondering how that might be applicable to the bets referenced in the thread header.
A bet on leaving by 31 October is now really a bet on a no deal Brexit. There simply isn’t time to conclude all the detail of a deal before then.
The odds look fair to me.
The only way I can see that we leave with no deal is if the EU are asked for an extension and say no. Exasperation is mounting but that is not a 26% chance.
Pensioners set to lose their healthcare in the EU after 6 months in the event of no deal .
And to think some of them voted Brexit , I think the award for turkey voting for Christmas must go to one of them interviewed who said when she voted to Leave she didn’t realize it would effect her rights in Spain .
WTF did she think would happen .Aswell as this I really can’t stand Leavers who live in EU countries and think they’re something special whilst moaning about immigration into the UK .
If we leave with no deal on 31 October the MPs who voted for the Benn Act will bear much of the responsibility. As the clock ticks down the EU would be trying much harder to get a deal done now if the Benn Act did not exist.
Pensioners set to lose their healthcare in the EU after 6 months in the event of no deal .
And to think some of them voted Brexit , I think the award for turkey voting for Christmas must go to one of them interviewed who said when she voted to Leave she didn’t realize it would effect her rights in Spain .
WTF did she think would happen .Aswell as this I really can’t stand Leavers who live in EU countries and think they’re something special whilst moaning about immigration into the UK .
Not correct according to the government website. If we leave without a deal the UK and Spain have already agreed that existing residents will qualify for health care until at least December 2020: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/living-in-spain#healthcare
A bet on leaving by 31 October is now really a bet on a no deal Brexit. There simply isn’t time to conclude all the detail of a deal before then.
The odds look fair to me.
It's a bet on a No Deal Brexit by October 31. No Deal after a delay is also possible. Agree there is minimal chance of a deal by then, and not much before the end of the year.
Pensioners set to lose their healthcare in the EU after 6 months in the event of no deal .
And to think some of them voted Brexit , I think the award for turkey voting for Christmas must go to one of them interviewed who said when she voted to Leave she didn’t realize it would effect her rights in Spain .
WTF did she think would happen .Aswell as this I really can’t stand Leavers who live in EU countries and think they’re something special whilst moaning about immigration into the UK .
I’m sure Spanish government has promised health care to end of 2020 regardless of outcome and I would guess something would be sorted out in the meantime. The impact on the housing market and coastal economies would be significant and the impact on the NHS would be significant. Yes there were idiots out here who voted leave but it’s surprising how many have now got Irish passports. I’m not cancelling my health insurance though, even though I now use the Spanish system, until I know what is happening 100%.
Because the right-wing-o-sphere has lost any capability they had of judging evidence fairly since Brexit and Trump, leading to partisan hackery at all points?
Belated reply to Richard Tyndall - no, Broadgate Park is IIRC just outside Broxtowe (and in Nottingham South, though the approach road Broadgate is. There are a few student blocks in Beeston, but the main university influence is masses of lecturers, research workers and other staff - traditionally very strongly Labour.
Because the right-wing-o-sphere has lost any capability they had of judging evidence fairly since Brexit and Trump, leading to partisan hackery at all points?
Belated reply to Richard Tyndall - no, Broadgate Park is IIRC just outside Broxtowe (and in Nottingham South, though the approach road Broadgate is. There are a few student blocks in Beeston, but the main university influence is masses of lecturers, research workers and other staff - traditionally very strongly Labour.
Because the right-wing-o-sphere has lost any capability they had of judging evidence fairly since Brexit and Trump, leading to partisan hackery at all points?
Most of them aren't that stupid, they knowingly promote it.
The marine and Wohl can't even keep straight faces throughout this, which makes it even more hilarious when they complain that the reporters are laughing at them. And that the security guard doesn't listen to Wohl at all.
I guess I'm late to this but you have to admire the polling jujitsu of whoever designed these questions. Check out what they did with the whole "people vs parliament" narrative:
I guess I'm late to this but you have to admire the polling jujitsu of whoever designed these questions. Check out what they did with the whole "people vs parliament" narrative:
... there’s something about this one that is not well served by the usual Trump dismissal of his wrongdoing. Part of Donald Trump’s seeming immunity to consequences comes from the fact that he has a singular, predictable response to being caught out: He first denies that it happened, and then, faced with proof that it did—or in the case of Ukraine, having himself hand-delivered the proof that it did—he admits having done it, but then argues that it’s perfectly cool, perfectly legal, and not that big of a deal. And that everyone does it and that people should do it more. It’s uncanny but it never fails him. From “Russia, if you’re listening” to “I don’t pay taxes because I’m smart,” the play is to rope-a-dope the public into believe we’re the idiots for abiding by the rules....
...Maybe this time feels different because, well, they are exceptionally bad at this one. Or maybe it feels different because the bombshells are coming from whistleblowers and inspectors general who were silent until they couldn’t be. Or maybe it feels different because no matter how you spin it, the president appears to be losing his shit. But maybe it just feels different because this time Donald Trump looks weak and pathetic. It’s not like the other nonscandals, when he didn’t pay his taxes and told people he was smart, or when he treated women like garbage and told people he was sexy, or when he profited from the businesses from which he refused to divest himself and told people he was just too fantastic a businessman, or even when he destroyed the lives of immigrants and asylum-seekers and told people he was tough.
No, this time, even as he admits to the impeachable act and says it’s what smart people do, he mostly looks nuts. He looks like a desperate man chasing an imaginary enemy—not his political opponent but his opponent’s son—around the globe, firing ambassadors, plotting with Paul Manafort, shaking down the Australians and the Italians and begging the Chinese to get in on the action, all because he’s hell-bent on destroying a political opponent who isn’t even his opponent yet.
On topic, a fun possibility is that the UK requests an extension and the EU grants one, but ministers sulkily refuse to produce the appropriate statutory instrument that notifies UK law of this, so the 1972 European Communities Act has been repealed, but as far as international law is concerned the country is still in the EU.
Won’t work. The Benn act amended the European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018 to state that the Minister of the Crown must change the date to match the extension.
Don't we still need a technical extension to put through legislation that the government has been too scared to table until now?
I think that, since the transition is "nothing has changed", there might be a way to pass something simple to that effect with a promise to fill in the details retrospectively.
Are the chances of us leaving on 31st October really as high as 26%? Let's suppose that the EU are secretly much keener on having a deal than they are letting on, that Boris actually wants one, that his text yesterday is broadly agreed during the current week and then endorsed at the leaders conference, that he can somehow get Parliament to agree it, that the EU Parliament doesn't veto it, that I win the lottery, twice, (is this really necessary? ed) and universal peace becomes so endemic that even the DUP get cuddly.
Don't we still need a technical extension to put through legislation that the government has been too scared to table until now? I think we would but I suppose if everything was rushed through, I mean its not as if Parliament is chock full of people who think this is the worst idea since Eve asked Adam if he fancied a bite, is it?
It's one of those what would you do if you saw a battleship coming over that hill teasers.
I guess I'm late to this but you have to admire the polling jujitsu of whoever designed these questions. Check out what they did with the whole "people vs parliament" narrative:
I agree the questions are a little leading, but they highlight a problem for the government with its People (ie Johnson) versus MPs rhetoric. It depends on those MPs to get Brexit through without a second referendum.
On topic, a fun possibility is that the UK requests an extension and the EU grants one, but ministers sulkily refuse to produce the appropriate statutory instrument that notifies UK law of this, so the 1972 European Communities Act has been repealed, but as far as international law is concerned the country is still in the EU.
Won’t work. The Benn act amended the European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018 to state that the Minister of the Crown must change the date to match the extension.
Pensioners set to lose their healthcare in the EU after 6 months in the event of no deal .
And to think some of them voted Brexit , I think the award for turkey voting for Christmas must go to one of them interviewed who said when she voted to Leave she didn’t realize it would effect her rights in Spain .
WTF did she think would happen .Aswell as this I really can’t stand Leavers who live in EU countries and think they’re something special whilst moaning about immigration into the UK .
Not correct according to the government website. If we leave without a deal the UK and Spain have already agreed that existing residents will qualify for health care until at least December 2020: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/living-in-spain#healthcare
Not at all, far more Remainers blame Corbyn for being insufficiently committed to stop Brexit than Leavers blame Boris for not doing enough to deliver Brexit.
As someone from a nearby ward, this is pretty much what I expected (indeed, I don't think any of the parties even campaigned for this by election because it is such a safe LD seat). I'm currently finding it interesting that even good polls for Tories put through models give St Albans as a LD gain in a GE.
Pensioners set to lose their healthcare in the EU after 6 months in the event of no deal .
And to think some of them voted Brexit , I think the award for turkey voting for Christmas must go to one of them interviewed who said when she voted to Leave she didn’t realize it would effect her rights in Spain .
WTF did she think would happen .Aswell as this I really can’t stand Leavers who live in EU countries and think they’re something special whilst moaning about immigration into the UK .
Not correct according to the government website. If we leave without a deal the UK and Spain have already agreed that existing residents will qualify for health care until at least December 2020: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/living-in-spain#healthcare
Pensioners set to lose their healthcare in the EU after 6 months in the event of no deal .
And to think some of them voted Brexit , I think the award for turkey voting for Christmas must go to one of them interviewed who said when she voted to Leave she didn’t realize it would effect her rights in Spain .
WTF did she think would happen .Aswell as this I really can’t stand Leavers who live in EU countries and think they’re something special whilst moaning about immigration into the UK .
Not correct according to the government website. If we leave without a deal the UK and Spain have already agreed that existing residents will qualify for health care until at least December 2020: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/living-in-spain#healthcare
The Spanish government has recently said that all arrangements must be reciprocal. It is currently not convinced that the UK is guaranteeing Spanish citizens’ rights.
Not at all, far more Remainers blame Corbyn for being insufficiently committed to stop Brexit than Leavers blame Boris for not doing enough to deliver Brexit.
Those are great numbers for Boris
But Remainers blaming Corbyn for not being sufficiently ‘Remain’ is already priced in.
All Boris has is his ‘die in a ditch’ rhetoric. If even 10% of his voters move to BXP or don’t vote then everything is in play.
Pensioners set to lose their healthcare in the EU after 6 months in the event of no deal .
And to think some of them voted Brexit , I think the award for turkey voting for Christmas must go to one of them interviewed who said when she voted to Leave she didn’t realize it would effect her rights in Spain .
WTF did she think would happen .Aswell as this I really can’t stand Leavers who live in EU countries and think they’re something special whilst moaning about immigration into the UK .
Not correct according to the government website. If we leave without a deal the UK and Spain have already agreed that existing residents will qualify for health care until at least December 2020: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/living-in-spain#healthcare
That might be all that's needed for some of them.
Lol. But in reality deal or no deal is going to make very little difference to this as things stand at the moment because with a deal the arrangements presently remain in place for transition period.
It is just an example of how these supposedly insuperable problems disappear. Who can doubt that the UK and Spain will agree to continue these mutually beneficial arrangements post 2020? All that is needed is clarity about what the structure in which that agreement will be formalised is to be.
Are the chances of us leaving on 31st October really as high as 26%? Let's suppose that the EU are secretly much keener on having a deal than they are letting on, that Boris actually wants one, that his text yesterday is broadly agreed during the current week and then endorsed at the leaders conference, that he can somehow get Parliament to agree it, that the EU Parliament doesn't veto it, that I win the lottery, twice, (is this really necessary? ed) and universal peace becomes so endemic that even the DUP get cuddly.
Don't we still need a technical extension to put through legislation that the government has been too scared to table until now? I think we would but I suppose if everything was rushed through, I mean its not as if Parliament is chock full of people who think this is the worst idea since Eve asked Adam if he fancied a bite, is it?
It's one of those what would you do if you saw a battleship coming over that hill teasers.
I'd point and laugh at the stupid captain who'd run his battlewagon aground on a hill.
Not at all, far more Remainers blame Corbyn for being insufficiently committed to stop Brexit than Leavers blame Boris for not doing enough to deliver Brexit.
Those are great numbers for Boris
But Remainers blaming Corbyn for not being sufficiently ‘Remain’ is already priced in.
All Boris has is his ‘die in a ditch’ rhetoric. If even 10% of his voters move to BXP or don’t vote then everything is in play.
Brexiters who are prepared to forgive Boris if we are still in the EU on November 1st should have the vote taken away from them for being officially too stupid to vote.
I am in principle against disenfranchising people but one has to draw a line.
No it isn't im afraid. This is pretty much the embedded "not BoJo at any cost" demographic. It is the much greater numbers NOT blaming Johnson and the Tories that is significant.
The Cummings/Johnson Brexit strategy looks to be turning out to be remarkably successful.
Pensioners set to lose their healthcare in the EU after 6 months in the event of no deal .
And to think some of them voted Brexit , I think the award for turkey voting for Christmas must go to one of them interviewed who said when she voted to Leave she didn’t realize it would effect her rights in Spain .
WTF did she think would happen .Aswell as this I really can’t stand Leavers who live in EU countries and think they’re something special whilst moaning about immigration into the UK .
Not correct according to the government website. If we leave without a deal the UK and Spain have already agreed that existing residents will qualify for health care until at least December 2020: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/living-in-spain#healthcare
That might be all that's needed for some of them.
Lol. But in reality deal or no deal is going to make very little difference to this as things stand at the moment because with a deal the arrangements presently remain in place for transition period.
It is just an example of how these supposedly insuperable problems disappear. Who can doubt that the UK and Spain will agree to continue these mutually beneficial arrangements post 2020? All that is needed is clarity about what the structure in which that agreement will be formalised is to be.
It all depends on reciprocity, David. Right now Spain is not convinced the generosity it is showing to its British immigrants is being matched by the UK’s treatment of Spanish immigrants.
Pensioners set to lose their healthcare in the EU after 6 months in the event of no deal .
And to think some of them voted Brexit , I think the award for turkey voting for Christmas must go to one of them interviewed who said when she voted to Leave she didn’t realize it would effect her rights in Spain .
WTF did she think would happen .Aswell as this I really can’t stand Leavers who live in EU countries and think they’re something special whilst moaning about immigration into the UK .
Not correct according to the government website. If we leave without a deal the UK and Spain have already agreed that existing residents will qualify for health care until at least December 2020: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/living-in-spain#healthcare
That might be all that's needed for some of them.
Lol. But in reality deal or no deal is going to make very little difference to this as things stand at the moment because with a deal the arrangements presently remain in place for transition period.
It is just an example of how these supposedly insuperable problems disappear. Who can doubt that the UK and Spain will agree to continue these mutually beneficial arrangements post 2020? All that is needed is clarity about what the structure in which that agreement will be formalised is to be.
I wouldn’t count on it. The UK has yet to agree to restoring the reciprocal Health Agreement with Guernsey it arbitrarily scrapped years ago. Far fewer patients involved.
No it isn't im afraid. This is pretty much the embedded "not BoJo at any cost" demographic. It is the much greater numbers NOT blaming Johnson and the Tories that is significant.
The Cummings/Johnson Brexit strategy looks to be turning out to be remarkably successful.
You think that 36% of LEAVE voters blaming Boris for not leaving is not significant? Even if they are normally Labour voters, that will mean a load of ‘working class northern’ seat targets will not go Blue.
Pensioners set to lose their healthcare in the EU after 6 months in the event of no deal .
And to think some of them voted Brexit , I think the award for turkey voting for Christmas must go to one of them interviewed who said when she voted to Leave she didn’t realize it would effect her rights in Spain .
WTF did she think would happen .Aswell as this I really can’t stand Leavers who live in EU countries and think they’re something special whilst moaning about immigration into the UK .
Not correct according to the government website. If we leave without a deal the UK and Spain have already agreed that existing residents will qualify for health care until at least December 2020: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/living-in-spain#healthcare
The Spanish government has recently said that all arrangements must be reciprocal. It is currently not convinced that the UK is guaranteeing Spanish citizens’ rights.
But we will and not just Spanish rights. All EU citizens already resident here will be able to stay on the same terms and conditions. The government hasn't been clear about much but they are clear about that. Going forward will be more bilateral and likely to vary from country to country.
As someone from a nearby ward, this is pretty much what I expected (indeed, I don't think any of the parties even campaigned for this by election because it is such a safe LD seat). I'm currently finding it interesting that even good polls for Tories put through models give St Albans as a LD gain in a GE.
Pensioners set to lose their healthcare in the EU after 6 months in the event of no deal .
And to think some of them voted Brexit , I think the award for turkey voting for Christmas must go to one of them interviewed who said when she voted to Leave she didn’t realize it would effect her rights in Spain .
WTF did she think would happen .Aswell as this I really can’t stand Leavers who live in EU countries and think they’re something special whilst moaning about immigration into the UK .
Not correct according to the government website. If we leave without a deal the UK and Spain have already agreed that existing residents will qualify for health care until at least December 2020: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/living-in-spain#healthcare
That might be all that's needed for some of them.
Lol. But in reality deal or no deal is going to make very little difference to this as things stand at the moment because with a deal the arrangements presently remain in place for transition period.
It is just an example of how these supposedly insuperable problems disappear. Who can doubt that the UK and Spain will agree to continue these mutually beneficial arrangements post 2020? All that is needed is clarity about what the structure in which that agreement will be formalised is to be.
Yes in the main, as I'm sure it would have been for Scottish independence, there will be sensible and generous arrangements between each party. Which however might stop or be inhibited in certain areas by EU restrictions on bilateral agreements.
Pensioners set to lose their healthcare in the EU after 6 months in the event of no deal .
And to think some of them voted Brexit , I think the award for turkey voting for Christmas must go to one of them interviewed who said when she voted to Leave she didn’t realize it would effect her rights in Spain .
WTF did she think would happen .Aswell as this I really can’t stand Leavers who live in EU countries and think they’re something special whilst moaning about immigration into the UK .
Not correct according to the government website. If we leave without a deal the UK and Spain have already agreed that existing residents will qualify for health care until at least December 2020: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/living-in-spain#healthcare
The Spanish government has recently said that all arrangements must be reciprocal. It is currently not convinced that the UK is guaranteeing Spanish citizens’ rights.
But we will and not just Spanish rights. All EU citizens already resident here will be able to stay on the same terms and conditions. The government hasn't been clear about much but they are clear about that. Going forward will be more bilateral and likely to vary from country to country.
But we’re not delivering on what we’ve promised, that’s the problem. People are being denied what they were told they would get. The EU has already said there will not be bilateral agreements on citizens’ rights.
Pensioners set to lose their healthcare in the EU after 6 months in the event of no deal .
And to think some of them voted Brexit , I think the award for turkey voting for Christmas must go to one of them interviewed who said when she voted to Leave she didn’t realize it would effect her rights in Spain .
WTF did she think would happen .Aswell as this I really can’t stand Leavers who live in EU countries and think they’re something special whilst moaning about immigration into the UK .
Not correct according to the government website. If we leave without a deal the UK and Spain have already agreed that existing residents will qualify for health care until at least December 2020: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/living-in-spain#healthcare
The Spanish government has recently said that all arrangements must be reciprocal. It is currently not convinced that the UK is guaranteeing Spanish citizens’ rights.
But we will and not just Spanish rights. All EU citizens already resident here will be able to stay on the same terms and conditions. The government hasn't been clear about much but they are clear about that. Going forward will be more bilateral and likely to vary from country to country.
I’m not sure that many European countries completely trust the UK government to do what it says.
The MPs calculated that delaying enough would ebb the enthusiasm of those who voted Leave, and that may well work. The EU never wanted us to leave, it would leave a £10 billion a year hole in their finances and the Germans have no intention of filling that gap.
That leaves the French to make up the deficit - don't hold your breath.
After three plus years, the MPs will claim … "We did our best, but it just isn't possible." Especially when they consistently voted against any deal. Cue … a short delay, and then a rapid advance to full political union. "It's what the voters always wanted,"
Pensioners set to lose their healthcare in the EU after 6 months in the event of no deal .
And to think some of them voted Brexit , I think the award for turkey voting for Christmas must go to one of them interviewed who said when she voted to Leave she didn’t realize it would effect her rights in Spain .
WTF did she think would happen .Aswell as this I really can’t stand Leavers who live in EU countries and think they’re something special whilst moaning about immigration into the UK .
Not correct according to the government website. If we leave without a deal the UK and Spain have already agreed that existing residents will qualify for health care until at least December 2020: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/living-in-spain#healthcare
That might be all that's needed for some of them.
Lol. But in reality deal or no deal is going to make very little difference to this as things stand at the moment because with a deal the arrangements presently remain in place for transition period.
It is just an example of how these supposedly insuperable problems disappear. Who can doubt that the UK and Spain will agree to continue these mutually beneficial arrangements post 2020? All that is needed is clarity about what the structure in which that agreement will be formalised is to be.
But haven't we been told that British people in Spain are a terrible drag on the Spanish economy and would be thrown out ???
How strange the Spanish government thinks otherwise.
Pensioners set to lose their healthcare in the EU after 6 months in the event of no deal .
And to think some of them voted Brexit , I think the award for turkey voting for Christmas must go to one of them interviewed who said when she voted to Leave she didn’t realize it would effect her rights in Spain .
WTF did she think would happen .Aswell as this I really can’t stand Leavers who live in EU countries and think they’re something special whilst moaning about immigration into the UK .
Not correct according to the government website. If we leave without a deal the UK and Spain have already agreed that existing residents will qualify for health care until at least December 2020: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/living-in-spain#healthcare
The Spanish government has recently said that all arrangements must be reciprocal. It is currently not convinced that the UK is guaranteeing Spanish citizens’ rights.
But we will and not just Spanish rights. All EU citizens already resident here will be able to stay on the same terms and conditions. The government hasn't been clear about much but they are clear about that. Going forward will be more bilateral and likely to vary from country to country.
That's not the experience of EU citizens with residence here >> 10 years. The reality does not match the rhetoric and the Home Office is completely insane and obsessed with pushing people out of the country.
No it isn't im afraid. This is pretty much the embedded "not BoJo at any cost" demographic. It is the much greater numbers NOT blaming Johnson and the Tories that is significant.
The Cummings/Johnson Brexit strategy looks to be turning out to be remarkably successful.
You think that 36% of LEAVE voters blaming Boris for not leaving is not significant? Even if they are normally Labour voters, that will mean a load of ‘working class northern’ seat targets will not go Blue.
No, I dont.
This is a dramatic change from the euros and the local elections. We know a decent sub-set of the demography of leave is "anti-tory". It is the extent to which the rest of this demographic swing back to the tories that is significant. The evidence here is extremely positive for Johnson.
The MPs calculated that delaying enough would ebb the enthusiasm of those who voted Leave, and that may well work. The EU never wanted us to leave, it would leave a £10 billion a year hole in their finances and the Germans have no intention of filling that gap.
That leaves the French to make up the deficit - don't hold your breath.
After three plus years, the MPs will claim … "We did our best, but it just isn't possible." Especially when they consistently voted against any deal. Cue … a short delay, and then a rapid advance to full political union. "It's what the voters always wanted,"
There's a pretty obvious way to find out what the voters want currently in this context.
Pensioners set to lose their healthcare in the EU after 6 months in the event of no deal .
And to think some of them voted Brexit , I think the award for turkey voting for Christmas must go to one of them interviewed who said when she voted to Leave she didn’t realize it would effect her rights in Spain .
WTF did she think would happen .Aswell as this I really can’t stand Leavers who live in EU countries and think they’re something special whilst moaning about immigration into the UK .
Not correct according to the government website. If we leave without a deal the UK and Spain have already agreed that existing residents will qualify for health care until at least December 2020: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/living-in-spain#healthcare
That might be all that's needed for some of them.
Lol. But in reality deal or no deal is going to make very little difference to this as things stand at the moment because with a deal the arrangements presently remain in place for transition period.
It is just an example of how these supposedly insuperable problems disappear. Who can doubt that the UK and Spain will agree to continue these mutually beneficial arrangements post 2020? All that is needed is clarity about what the structure in which that agreement will be formalised is to be.
But haven't we been told that British people in Spain are a terrible drag on the Spanish economy and would be thrown out ???
How strange the Spanish government thinks otherwise.
I do have Spanish friends who jokingly tell me their hospital is always full of immigrants when they go but overall I don’t think we are perceived as a drag.
Not at all, far more Remainers blame Corbyn for being insufficiently committed to stop Brexit than Leavers blame Boris for not doing enough to deliver Brexit.
Those are great numbers for Boris
But Remainers blaming Corbyn for not being sufficiently ‘Remain’ is already priced in.
All Boris has is his ‘die in a ditch’ rhetoric. If even 10% of his voters move to BXP or don’t vote then everything is in play.
Wrong again.
The continuing opinion polling shift from Lab to LD suggests that there is still potential further downside for Corbyn from deserting leave voters, albeit this is probably reasonably limited now.
Lab core vote is probably just under 20% so to be fair we are close to that.
Not at all, far more Remainers blame Corbyn for being insufficiently committed to stop Brexit than Leavers blame Boris for not doing enough to deliver Brexit.
Those are great numbers for Boris
But Remainers blaming Corbyn for not being sufficiently ‘Remain’ is already priced in.
All Boris has is his ‘die in a ditch’ rhetoric. If even 10% of his voters move to BXP or don’t vote then everything is in play.
Wrong again.
The continuing opinion polling shift from Lab to LD suggests that there is still potential further downside for Corbyn from deserting leave voters, albeit this is probably reasonably limited now.
Lab core vote is probably just under 20% so to be fair we are close to that.
Pensioners set to lose their healthcare in the EU after 6 months in the event of no deal .
And to think some of them voted Brexit , I think the award for turkey voting for Christmas must go to one of them interviewed who said when she voted to Leave she didn’t realize it would effect her rights in Spain .
WTF did she think would happen .Aswell as this I really can’t stand Leavers who live in EU countries and think they’re something special whilst moaning about immigration into the UK .
Not correct according to the government website. If we leave without a deal the UK and Spain have already agreed that existing residents will qualify for health care until at least December 2020: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/living-in-spain#healthcare
The Spanish government has recently said that all arrangements must be reciprocal. It is currently not convinced that the UK is guaranteeing Spanish citizens’ rights.
But we will and not just Spanish rights. All EU citizens already resident here will be able to stay on the same terms and conditions. The government hasn't been clear about much but they are clear about that. Going forward will be more bilateral and likely to vary from country to country.
That's not the experience of EU citizens with residence here >> 10 years. The reality does not match the rhetoric and the Home Office is completely insane and obsessed with pushing people out of the country.
So we are trying to exclude EU citizens now in breach of our treaty obligations right now are we? Weird that we haven't been taken to court about this.
The MPs calculated that delaying enough would ebb the enthusiasm of those who voted Leave, and that may well work. The EU never wanted us to leave, it would leave a £10 billion a year hole in their finances and the Germans have no intention of filling that gap.
That leaves the French to make up the deficit - don't hold your breath.
After three plus years, the MPs will claim … "We did our best, but it just isn't possible." Especially when they consistently voted against any deal. Cue … a short delay, and then a rapid advance to full political union. "It's what the voters always wanted,"
Pensioners set to lose their healthcare in the EU after 6 months in the event of no deal .
And to think some of them voted Brexit , I think the award for turkey voting for Christmas must go to one of them interviewed who said when she voted to Leave she didn’t realize it would effect her rights in Spain .
WTF did she think would happen .Aswell as this I really can’t stand Leavers who live in EU countries and think they’re something special whilst moaning about immigration into the UK .
Not correct according to the government website. If we leave without a deal the UK and Spain have already agreed that existing residents will qualify for health care until at least December 2020: https://www.gov.uk/guidance/living-in-spain#healthcare
The Spanish government has recently said that all arrangements must be reciprocal. It is currently not convinced that the UK is guaranteeing Spanish citizens’ rights.
But we will and not just Spanish rights. All EU citizens already resident here will be able to stay on the same terms and conditions. The government hasn't been clear about much but they are clear about that. Going forward will be more bilateral and likely to vary from country to country.
That's not the experience of EU citizens with residence here >> 10 years. The reality does not match the rhetoric and the Home Office is completely insane and obsessed with pushing people out of the country.
So we are trying to exclude EU citizens now in breach of our treaty obligations right now are we? Weird that we haven't been taken to court about this.
They've been refused settled status under the scheme that is supposed to guarantee their rights after Brexit.
The MPs calculated that delaying enough would ebb the enthusiasm of those who voted Leave, and that may well work. The EU never wanted us to leave, it would leave a £10 billion a year hole in their finances and the Germans have no intention of filling that gap.
That leaves the French to make up the deficit - don't hold your breath.
After three plus years, the MPs will claim … "We did our best, but it just isn't possible." Especially when they consistently voted against any deal. Cue … a short delay, and then a rapid advance to full political union. "It's what the voters always wanted,"
'Just cos you're paranoid ......' And let's forget about the ERG and DUP votes against leaving.
No it isn't im afraid. This is pretty much the embedded "not BoJo at any cost" demographic. It is the much greater numbers NOT blaming Johnson and the Tories that is significant.
The Cummings/Johnson Brexit strategy looks to be turning out to be remarkably successful.
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surely no one can be that completely barking mad? it's like he's suffered some sort of brain injury.
The transition is a bespoke (new) treaty agreement with an ex member state, so it a Deal was passed by both the UK and EU, A50 expires, we’re no longer a member of the EU and we entered it it would certainly count as a YES.
Trump and Brexit being two examples.
And 2015 as I recall.
My memory for Brexit was that there were quite a few polls showing Leave leads, but what the markets thought (from historical performance) were the better ones were showing leads for Remain. I'm not sure what the polling averages would have shown - I guess it would depend on how you did the averaging.
Extension still seems the likeliest result.
Pro-EU MPs need to decide what they want to do after that, if it happens, though.
It used to say ‘may’. It now says ‘must’.
See s.20(4) http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2018/16/section/20
He’s so debased the office of President but much of the American public has been desensitized to his disgraceful behaviour.
Many will just shrug and think whatever !
Get the fuck out of here, why the fuck is anyone on here giving it a shred of time?
https://twitter.com/BrandyZadrozny/status/1179833719902760960?s=19
Don't we still need a technical extension to put through legislation that the government has been too scared to table until now? I think we would but I suppose if everything was rushed through, I mean its not as if Parliament is chock full of people who think this is the worst idea since Eve asked Adam if he fancied a bite, is it?
The odds look fair to me.
“retrospective provision”, in relation to provision made by regulations, means provision taking effect from a date earlier than the date on which the regulations are made;
and I was idly wondering how that might be applicable to the bets referenced in the thread header.
Still feel so smug?
And to think some of them voted Brexit , I think the award for turkey voting for Christmas must go to one of them interviewed who said when she voted to Leave she didn’t realize it would effect her rights in Spain .
WTF did she think would happen .Aswell as this I really can’t stand Leavers who live in EU countries and think they’re something special whilst moaning about immigration into the UK .
https://twitter.com/foxinsoxuk/status/1179980363604660224?s=19
If we leave with no deal on 31 October the MPs who voted for the Benn Act will bear much of the responsibility. As the clock ticks down the EU would be trying much harder to get a deal done now if the Benn Act did not exist.
Maybe for 6 months or so.
But it is a hilarious story.
https://splinternews.com/worlds-biggest-dipshits-hilariously-mangle-hit-job-on-e-1838750767
https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/1179802659806691328
There's a good article here which lays out how it usually goes, and why he might finally have jumped the shark.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/10/trump-ukraine-scandal-playbook-finally-not-working.html
... there’s something about this one that is not well served by the usual Trump dismissal of his wrongdoing. Part of Donald Trump’s seeming immunity to consequences comes from the fact that he has a singular, predictable response to being caught out: He first denies that it happened, and then, faced with proof that it did—or in the case of Ukraine, having himself hand-delivered the proof that it did—he admits having done it, but then argues that it’s perfectly cool, perfectly legal, and not that big of a deal. And that everyone does it and that people should do it more. It’s uncanny but it never fails him. From “Russia, if you’re listening” to “I don’t pay taxes because I’m smart,” the play is to rope-a-dope the public into believe we’re the idiots for abiding by the rules....
...Maybe this time feels different because, well, they are exceptionally bad at this one. Or maybe it feels different because the bombshells are coming from whistleblowers and inspectors general who were silent until they couldn’t be. Or maybe it feels different because no matter how you spin it, the president appears to be losing his shit. But maybe it just feels different because this time Donald Trump looks weak and pathetic. It’s not like the other nonscandals, when he didn’t pay his taxes and told people he was smart, or when he treated women like garbage and told people he was sexy, or when he profited from the businesses from which he refused to divest himself and told people he was just too fantastic a businessman, or even when he destroyed the lives of immigrants and asylum-seekers and told people he was tough.
No, this time, even as he admits to the impeachable act and says it’s what smart people do, he mostly looks nuts. He looks like a desperate man chasing an imaginary enemy—not his political opponent but his opponent’s son—around the globe, firing ambassadors, plotting with Paul Manafort, shaking down the Australians and the Italians and begging the Chinese to get in on the action, all because he’s hell-bent on destroying a political opponent who isn’t even his opponent yet.
78% of Brexit Party voters do not blame Boris, even higher than the 73% of current Tory voters who do not blame Boris
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1180024122698600448?s=20
https://twitter.com/YouGov/status/1180024133360476160?s=20
https://twitter.com/markdistef/status/1179848803991588865?s=21
This is all good practice
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/oct/04/us-diplomats-told-zelenskiy-ukraine-trump-visit-was-dependent-on-biden-statement-text-investigation
US diplomats told Ukraine’s president, Volodymyr Zelenskiy, that a prestigious White House visit to meet Donald Trump was dependent on him making a public statement vowing to investigate Hunter Biden’s company, and a Ukrainian role in the 2016 elections, according to texts released on Thursday night....
If Trump is not impeached, then the US is a country without law.
Those are great numbers for Boris
https://elpais.com/elpais/2019/09/23/inenglish/1569214269_989612.html
All Boris has is his ‘die in a ditch’ rhetoric. If even 10% of his voters move to BXP or don’t vote then everything is in play.
It is just an example of how these supposedly insuperable problems disappear. Who can doubt that the UK and Spain will agree to continue these mutually beneficial arrangements post 2020? All that is needed is clarity about what the structure in which that agreement will be formalised is to be.
I am in principle against disenfranchising people but one has to draw a line.
The Cummings/Johnson Brexit strategy looks to be turning out to be remarkably successful.
https://elpais.com/elpais/2019/09/23/inenglish/1569214269_989612.html
The MPs calculated that delaying enough would ebb the enthusiasm of those who voted Leave, and that may well work. The EU never wanted us to leave, it would leave a £10 billion a year hole in their finances and the Germans have no intention of filling that gap.
That leaves the French to make up the deficit - don't hold your breath.
After three plus years, the MPs will claim … "We did our best, but it just isn't possible." Especially when they consistently voted against any deal. Cue … a short delay, and then a rapid advance to full political union. "It's what the voters always wanted,"
How strange the Spanish government thinks otherwise.
This is a dramatic change from the euros and the local elections. We know a decent sub-set of the demography of leave is "anti-tory". It is the extent to which the rest of this demographic swing back to the tories that is significant. The evidence here is extremely positive for Johnson.
The continuing opinion polling shift from Lab to LD suggests that there is still potential further downside for Corbyn from deserting leave voters, albeit this is probably reasonably limited now.
Lab core vote is probably just under 20% so to be fair we are close to that.
Typo.
It's nearly as bizarre as Sam Gymiah travelling from prospective Tory PM to Lib Dems in half that time?!
It says more about their personal narcissistic ambitions than any great love for the party that made them.
He has played this all pretty badly.
And let's forget about the ERG and DUP votes against leaving.