It may not damage Johnson with his own supporters if he extends when it's clear he doesn't want to extend himself; when he's only doing it because other people have made him do it.
She could be checking if she can get rid of that dreadful scruffy man who doesnt come to the meetings when invited and wants to abolish her role. If he was ever to become PM.
The funny thing is, these days, if you compare the LOTO and the PM, it's the PM who's scruffier. Boris looks a bit like a farm hand on trial for humping a goat, trying to make a good impression on mlud by wearing a suit for the first time in his life.
Boris really is a bloody slob. Corbo has a personal stylist these days it would appear - whoever she is (I’m assuming it is a she, it might not be) she deserves a medal.
You're right. Can't stand Corbyn but he does look smart now. No getting away from it, and Johnson needs to get and take advice on it. Swinson has also plainly taken good advice - bright, bold - not necessarily the best thing to wear in everyday life, but televisual.
It may not damage Johnson with his own supporters if he extends when it's clear he doesn't want to extend himself; when he's only doing it because other people have made him do it.
Telegraph reporting that the Extremist Alliance have been meeting to decide next steps forward. VONC discussed but Swinson will not back Corbyn. LD and SNP proposed Beckett, Corbyn said no way. The art of compromise alive and well in the HoC.
Swinson should be ignored. She only brings 18 paltry votes. Let her take the responsibility for a No Deal Brexit. She was a member of the Tory coalition. She is a proper Little Tory Helper.
Swinson has already voted for and helped pass an anti No Deal extension Bill that has received Royal Assent, she has no need to make Corbyn PM and piss off Tory Remain voters in southern and London Tory marginals the LDs are targeting
Why would that piss off Tory Remain voters?
Tory Remain voters prefer Boris to Corbyn as PM 59% to 4%
30% of Labour voters in 2017 voted Leave so around 12% of Labour voters in 2017 prefer Boris to Corbyn and 10.5% are not sure.
29% of Tory voters in 2017 voted Remain so around 1% of Tory voters in 2017 prefer Corbyn to Boris and around 10% are not sure.
Yes Labour’s figures are worse but I can’t believe 10% of Tory voters would even consider the marxist as possibly better than the actual Tory Prime Minister.
Telegraph reporting that the Extremist Alliance have been meeting to decide next steps forward. VONC discussed but Swinson will not back Corbyn. LD and SNP proposed Beckett, Corbyn said no way. The art of compromise alive and well in the HoC.
Swinson should be ignored. She only brings 18 paltry votes. Let her take the responsibility for a No Deal Brexit. She was a member of the Tory coalition. She is a proper Little Tory Helper.
Swinson has already voted for and helped pass an anti No Deal extension Bill that has received Royal Assent, she has no need to make Corbyn PM and piss off Tory Remain voters in southern and London Tory marginals the LDs are targeting
Am sure Swinson will do well with Remoaners if she fails to back Jezza who represents the best chance of stopping No Deal
Swinson commands 18 votes Max.
THERE ARE MORE THAN 18 LEXIT supporting MPs in Lab. who will never vote for anyone else.
"THERE ARE MORE THAN 18 LEXIT supporting MPs in Lab. who will never vote for anyone else. " That's a good point Big John is making. This has to be taken into the equation. Swinson has to ask herself: does she want a chance to have a 2nd referendum, which Labour guarantees with Remain on the Ballot Paper. If her objection to Corbyn as a strictly time-related PM is greater than that, then her aspiration to Remain is not even paper thin. I am beginning to think she is just light weight. At least, we know Layla can throw punches !
It may not damage Johnson with his own supporters if he extends when it's clear he doesn't want to extend himself; when he's only doing it because other people have made him do it.
Boris will never extend himself, as Lord Sumption said a civil servant will send the letter on Parliament and the Government's behalf if necessary as a last resort
There’s zip chance of getting more than a small handful of the Tory rebels to back a VONC and put Corbyn in charge .
Even a less divisive figure would struggle .
Quite a few of the 21 would want to have the whip restored , of those not seeking re election putting Corbyn in charge is still not going to happen .
To a degree we’re seeing a game of chicken amongst the opposition . The other issue is who serves in the cabinet of a GNU.
The best course of action for all of them is to try and force an earlier extension request however given Johnson’s recent actions even if a filibuster fails in the HOL he’s likely to advise the Queen to refuse Royal Consent .
Telegraph reporting that the Extremist Alliance have been meeting to decide next steps forward. VONC discussed but Swinson will not back Corbyn. LD and SNP proposed Beckett, Corbyn said no way. The art of compromise alive and well in the HoC.
Swinson should be ignored. She only brings 18 paltry votes. Let her take the responsibility for a No Deal Brexit. She was a member of the Tory coalition. She is a proper Little Tory Helper.
Swinson has already voted for and helped pass an anti No Deal extension Bill that has received Royal Assent, she has no need to make Corbyn PM and piss off Tory Remain voters in southern and London Tory marginals the LDs are targeting
Am sure Swinson will do well with Remoaners if she fails to back Jezza who represents the best chance of stopping No Deal
Swinson commands 18 votes Max.
THERE ARE MORE THAN 18 LEXIT supporting MPs in Lab. who will never vote for anyone else.
"THERE ARE MORE THAN 18 LEXIT supporting MPs in Lab. who will never vote for anyone else. " That's a good point Big John is making. This has to be taken into the equation. Swinson has to ask herself: does she want a chance to have a 2nd referendum, which Labour guarantees with Remain on the Ballot Paper. If her objection to Corbyn as a strictly time-related PM is greater than that, then her aspiration to Remain is not even paper thin. I am beginning to think she is just light weight. At least, we know Layla can throw punches !
You can’t trust corbyn to lift the toilet seat so why put him in No 10?
Telegraph reporting that the Extremist Alliance have been meeting to decide next steps forward. VONC discussed but Swinson will not back Corbyn. LD and SNP proposed Beckett, Corbyn said no way. The art of compromise alive and well in the HoC.
Swinson should be ignored. She only brings 18 paltry votes. Let her take the responsibility for a No Deal Brexit. She was a member of the Tory coalition. She is a proper Little Tory Helper.
Swinson has already voted for and helped pass an anti No Deal extension Bill that has received Royal Assent, she has no need to make Corbyn PM and piss off Tory Remain voters in southern and London Tory marginals the LDs are targeting
Am sure Swinson will do well with Remoaners if she fails to back Jezza who represents the best chance of stopping No Deal
Swinson commands 18 votes Max.
THERE ARE MORE THAN 18 LEXIT supporting MPs in Lab. who will never vote for anyone else.
Right [*], but there are also ex-Cons. If Corbyn can get them then he can do the thing without LD, but that sounds hard. Whereas if he's prepared to let someone else be PM, it should be pretty easy.
* Actually 18 lexiters prepared to leave Boris there may be too many but there are definitely some
"Police investigate 'utterly vile' banner calling for Tory deaths Two effigies hung from the bottom of the banner, which read: "130,000 killed under Tory rule, time to level the playing field."
It's a 'fact' that was debunked on BBC More or Less in the last week.
I've just listened to that episode and you are totally wrong to say that it "debunks" that claim. "We're not the only people who've looked into the '120,000 austerity deaths' figure; fact checkers at FullFact and Channel 4's Fact Check also reviewed it, and they've reached a similar conclusion: the number itself is plausible, but there are several explanations. It's not unreasonable to conclude that austerity deserves some of the blame, but it's impossible to say with any confidence how much."
As there hasn't been any austerity then its safe to say that the 'austerity deaths' never happened.
However there may be deaths as a result of Cameron's Cuts.
Telegraph reporting that the Extremist Alliance have been meeting to decide next steps forward. VONC discussed but Swinson will not back Corbyn. LD and SNP proposed Beckett, Corbyn said no way. The art of compromise alive and well in the HoC.
Swinson should be ignored. She only brings 18 paltry votes. Let her take the responsibility for a No Deal Brexit. She was a member of the Tory coalition. She is a proper Little Tory Helper.
Swinson has already voted for and helped pass an anti No Deal extension Bill that has received Royal Assent, she has no need to make Corbyn PM and piss off Tory Remain voters in southern and London Tory marginals the LDs are targeting
Am sure Swinson will do well with Remoaners if she fails to back Jezza who represents the best chance of stopping No Deal
Swinson commands 18 votes Max.
THERE ARE MORE THAN 18 LEXIT supporting MPs in Lab. who will never vote for anyone else.
More Remain voters now back the LDs than Corbyn Labour in the latest polls, unless they are already voting Labour Remain voters despise Corbyn as much as Boris
Telegraph reporting that the Extremist Alliance have been meeting to decide next steps forward. VONC discussed but Swinson will not back Corbyn. LD and SNP proposed Beckett, Corbyn said no way. The art of compromise alive and well in the HoC.
Swinson should be ignored. She only brings 18 paltry votes. Let her take the responsibility for a No Deal Brexit. She was a member of the Tory coalition. She is a proper Little Tory Helper.
Classic desperate shit from. Labour whomhave lost 1/3 of their vote to the Lib Dems your sounding like a pound shop fire sale if you carry on like that.
Let the squeeze begin in a proper election where power is delivered.
Which in this universe will never deliver a corbyn government. Put Benn in and you will have a majority but you don’t want a benn majority you want a corbyn majority. Dream on
I did vote for the real Benn but he lost 49.7:50.3 to Healey. Not the poor right wing imitation.
It may not damage Johnson with his own supporters if he extends when it's clear he doesn't want to extend himself; when he's only doing it because other people have made him do it.
Boris will never extend himself, as Lord Sumption said a civil servant will send the letter on Parliament and the Government's behalf if necessary as a last resort
That would be an abdication of responsibility. I would give yourself a good look in the mirror about your defence of BoJo. What is in it for you? You didn't even vote for Brexit and BoJo is unlikely to ever deliver a political opening for you. The only thing he is interested in is his own tenuous grip on power...
She could be checking if she can get rid of that dreadful scruffy man who doesnt come to the meetings when invited and wants to abolish her role. If he was ever to become PM.
The funny thing is, these days, if you compare the LOTO and the PM, it's the PM who's scruffier. Boris looks a bit like a farm hand on trial for humping a goat, trying to make a good impression on mlud by wearing a suit for the first time in his life.
Boris really is a bloody slob. Corbo has a personal stylist these days it would appear - whoever she is (I’m assuming it is a she, it might not be) she deserves a medal.
You're right. Can't stand Corbyn but he does look smart now. No getting away from it, and Johnson needs to get and take advice on it. Swinson has also plainly taken good advice - bright, bold - not necessarily the best thing to wear in everyday life, but televisual.
In the dress sense stakes, Warren has an interesting style. Not the HRC pantsuits, but a rather relaxed and informal cardigan and slacks. Rather reminiscent of those earnest middle American women who run churches, soup kitchens, clubs and schools. It is a folksy style that works for her.
Telegraph reporting that the Extremist Alliance have been meeting to decide next steps forward. VONC discussed but Swinson will not back Corbyn. LD and SNP proposed Beckett, Corbyn said no way. The art of compromise alive and well in the HoC.
Swinson should be ignored. She only brings 18 paltry votes. Let her take the responsibility for a No Deal Brexit. She was a member of the Tory coalition. She is a proper Little Tory Helper.
Swinson has already voted for and helped pass an anti No Deal extension Bill that has received Royal Assent, she has no need to make Corbyn PM and piss off Tory Remain voters in southern and London Tory marginals the LDs are targeting
She has to. The received wisdom now is to absolutely make sure the extension letter is sent and that can only be guaranteed is to have a government which will do it. Even negotiate a longer extension. Corbyn is the LoTO.
She will not do so under any circumstances whatsoever, Swinson is not going to commit political suicide in Tory Remain voting marginals the LDs are targeting just to make Corbyn PM
I and people I know who are "Tory Remain voters" are not fussed if Swinson supports Corbyn as a means of avoiding a No Deal Brexit. Its not like Corbyn will have a majority to implement a socialist agenda. It will be about stopping Brexit. We will still vote LD because the Tories are now extremist. If Corbyn gets a honeymoon and does better at a GE, then the Tories will only have themselves to blame for Brexit being cancelled and then a left-wing Government. It is the Tories who will have brought it on themselves and they should have voted for a deal...
I am not interested in anecdote or your anti Boris agenda.
67% of Tory Remain voters prefer No Deal to Corbyn PM, only 16% of Tory Remain voters prefer Corbyn as PM to No Deal
Telegraph reporting that the Extremist Alliance have been meeting to decide next steps forward. VONC discussed but Swinson will not back Corbyn. LD and SNP proposed Beckett, Corbyn said no way. The art of compromise alive and well in the HoC.
Swinson should be ignored. She only brings 18 paltry votes. Let her take the responsibility for a No Deal Brexit. She was a member of the Tory coalition. She is a proper Little Tory Helper.
Swinson has already voted for and helped pass an anti No Deal extension Bill that has received Royal Assent, she has no need to make Corbyn PM and piss off Tory Remain voters in southern and London Tory marginals the LDs are targeting
Why would that piss off Tory Remain voters?
Tory Remain voters prefer Boris to Corbyn as PM 59% to 4%
30% of Labour voters in 2017 voted Leave so around 12% of Labour voters in 2017 prefer Boris to Corbyn and 10.5% are not sure.
29% of Tory voters in 2017 voted Remain so around 1% of Tory voters in 2017 prefer Corbyn to Boris and around 10% are not sure.
Yes Labour’s figures are worse but I can’t believe 10% of Tory voters would even consider the marxist as possibly better than the actual Tory Prime Minister.
Please check my working.
They don't, that 10% probably prefer Swinson to both
Why don’t Americans instal proper level crossings? The noise of trains hooting as they cross each road echoes across every railway town in the States, day or night. Here I am on the veranda trying to enjoy a quiet glass of wine in searing heat (still above 30C at 5pm) whilst looking across at Chatanooga, and some impossibly long and noisy choo choo is slowly inching out of town.
I see @bigjohnowls is desperately attacking Jo Swinson again.
Of course we are the enemy not the Tory’s, double down and tell them they are wrong. They are yesterday’s people Labour have nothing to offer under corbyn because he will never be in a position to do anything that helps those they seek to represent because pure socialism is more important.
It may not damage Johnson with his own supporters if he extends when it's clear he doesn't want to extend himself; when he's only doing it because other people have made him do it.
Boris will never extend himself, as Lord Sumption said a civil servant will send the letter on Parliament and the Government's behalf if necessary as a last resort
That would be an abdication of responsibility. I would give yourself a good look in the mirror about your defence of BoJo. What is in it for you? You didn't even vote for Brexit and BoJo is unlikely to ever deliver a political opening for you. The only thing he is interested in is his own tenuous grip on power...
I respect democracy and the Leave vote and I can't stand Corbyn, I will fight night and day to stop Corbyn winning the next general election
Telegraph reporting that the Extremist Alliance have been meeting to decide next steps forward. VONC discussed but Swinson will not back Corbyn. LD and SNP proposed Beckett, Corbyn said no way. The art of compromise alive and well in the HoC.
Swinson should be ignored. She only brings 18 paltry votes. Let her take the responsibility for a No Deal Brexit. She was a member of the Tory coalition. She is a proper Little Tory Helper.
Swinson has already voted for and helped pass an anti No Deal extension Bill that has received Royal Assent, she has no need to make Corbyn PM and piss off Tory Remain voters in southern and London Tory marginals the LDs are targeting
She has to. The received wisdom now is to absolutely make sure the extension letter is sent and that can only be guaranteed is to have a government which will do it. Even negotiate a longer extension. Corbyn is the LoTO.
She will not do so under any circumstances whatsoever, Swinson is not going to commit political suicide in Tory Remain voting marginals the LDs are targeting just to make Corbyn PM
I and people I know who are "Tory Remain voters" are not fussed if Swinson supports Corbyn as a means of avoiding a No Deal Brexit. Its not like Corbyn will have a majority to implement a socialist agenda. It will be about stopping Brexit. We will still vote LD because the Tories are now extremist. If Corbyn gets a honeymoon and does better at a GE, then the Tories will only have themselves to blame for Brexit being cancelled and then a left-wing Government. It is the Tories who will have brought it on themselves and they should have voted for a deal...
I am not interested in anecdote or your anti Boris agenda.
67% of Tory Remain voters prefer No Deal to Corbyn PM, only 16% of Tory Remain voters prefer Corbyn as PM to No Deal
It may not damage Johnson with his own supporters if he extends when it's clear he doesn't want to extend himself; when he's only doing it because other people have made him do it.
Boris will never extend himself, as Lord Sumption said a civil servant will send the letter on Parliament and the Government's behalf if necessary as a last resort
That would be an abdication of responsibility. I would give yourself a good look in the mirror about your defence of BoJo. What is in it for you? You didn't even vote for Brexit and BoJo is unlikely to ever deliver a political opening for you. The only thing he is interested in is his own tenuous grip on power...
I respect democracy and the Leave vote and I can't stand Corbyn, I will fight night and day to stop Corbyn winning the next general election
You just keep telling your fellow Tory remainers to go vote LibDem....
She could be checking if she can get rid of that dreadful scruffy man who doesnt come to the meetings when invited and wants to abolish her role. If he was ever to become PM.
The funny thing is, these days, if you compare the LOTO and the PM, it's the PM who's scruffier. Boris looks a bit like a farm hand on trial for humping a goat, trying to make a good impression on mlud by wearing a suit for the first time in his life.
Boris really is a bloody slob. Corbo has a personal stylist these days it would appear - whoever she is (I’m assuming it is a she, it might not be) she deserves a medal.
You're right. Can't stand Corbyn but he does look smart now. No getting away from it, and Johnson needs to get and take advice on it. Swinson has also plainly taken good advice - bright, bold - not necessarily the best thing to wear in everyday life, but televisual.
In the dress sense stakes, Warren has an interesting style. Not the HRC pantsuits, but a rather relaxed and informal cardigan and slacks. Rather reminiscent of those earnest middle American women who run churches, soup kitchens, clubs and schools. It is a folksy style that works for her.
The thing about Warren that is most attractive is that she doesn't need to impress anyone apart from with her policies. And she is brainy with a Big Brain.
Yes people are talking as if they're just going to VONC and see what happens. Am I missing something?
Surely they'd have a caretaker PM already lined up, given the 14 day timer. Maybe that doesn't apply later in September when they might get desperate, but at least for now.
It may not damage Johnson with his own supporters if he extends when it's clear he doesn't want to extend himself; when he's only doing it because other people have made him do it.
Boris will never extend himself, as Lord Sumption said a civil servant will send the letter on Parliament and the Government's behalf if necessary as a last resort
That would be an abdication of responsibility. I would give yourself a good look in the mirror about your defence of BoJo. What is in it for you? You didn't even vote for Brexit and BoJo is unlikely to ever deliver a political opening for you. The only thing he is interested in is his own tenuous grip on power...
I respect democracy and the Leave vote and I can't stand Corbyn, I will fight night and day to stop Corbyn winning the next general election
If despite your efforts Corbyn somehow wins the next GE will you still respect democracy?
It may not damage Johnson with his own supporters if he extends when it's clear he doesn't want to extend himself; when he's only doing it because other people have made him do it.
Boris will never extend himself, as Lord Sumption said a civil servant will send the letter on Parliament and the Government's behalf if necessary as a last resort
That would be an abdication of responsibility. I would give yourself a good look in the mirror about your defence of BoJo. What is in it for you? You didn't even vote for Brexit and BoJo is unlikely to ever deliver a political opening for you. The only thing he is interested in is his own tenuous grip on power...
I respect democracy and the Leave vote and I can't stand Corbyn, I will fight night and day to stop Corbyn winning the next general election
You just keep telling your fellow Tory remainers to go vote LibDem....
If they refuse to back Brexit Deal or No Deal as most Tory voters want yes but as Swinson has made clear the LDs will not back Corbyn as PM either
Telegraph reporting that the Extremist Alliance have been meeting to decide next steps forward. VONC discussed but Swinson will not back Corbyn. LD and SNP proposed Beckett, Corbyn said no way. The art of compromise alive and well in the HoC.
Swinson should be ignored. She only brings 18 paltry votes. Let her take the responsibility for a No Deal Brexit. She was a member of the Tory coalition. She is a proper Little Tory Helper.
Swinson has already voted for and helped pass an anti No Deal extension Bill that has received Royal Assent, she has no need to make Corbyn PM and piss off Tory Remain voters in southern and London Tory marginals the LDs are targeting
Am sure Swinson will do well with Remoaners if she fails to back Jezza who represents the best chance of stopping No Deal
Swinson commands 18 votes Max.
THERE ARE MORE THAN 18 LEXIT supporting MPs in Lab. who will never vote for anyone else.
More Remain voters now back the LDs than Corbyn Labour in the latest polls, unless they are already voting Labour Remain voters despise Corbyn as much as Boris
Thought that is before Swinson sabotages stopping No Deal
If she does that expect remainers to dump the idea of voting LD
Why don’t Americans instal proper level crossings? The noise of trains hooting as they cross each road echoes across every railway town in the States, day or night. Here I am on the veranda trying to enjoy a quiet glass of wine in searing heat (still above 30C at 5pm) whilst looking across at Chatanooga, and some impossibly long and noisy choo choo is slowly inching out of town.
It may not damage Johnson with his own supporters if he extends when it's clear he doesn't want to extend himself; when he's only doing it because other people have made him do it.
Boris will never extend himself, as Lord Sumption said a civil servant will send the letter on Parliament and the Government's behalf if necessary as a last resort
That would be an abdication of responsibility. I would give yourself a good look in the mirror about your defence of BoJo. What is in it for you? You didn't even vote for Brexit and BoJo is unlikely to ever deliver a political opening for you. The only thing he is interested in is his own tenuous grip on power...
I respect democracy and the Leave vote and I can't stand Corbyn, I will fight night and day to stop Corbyn winning the next general election
If despite your efforts Corbyn somehow wins the next GE will you still respect democracy?
If Brexit has been implemented and the Leave vote respected then if Corbyn wins yes though I would campaign hard at the subsequent general election to ensure his is a one term government only.
If the Leave vote is not respected though and Brexit is never delivered then I would try and prevent Corbyn ever becoming PM or forming a government
It may not damage Johnson with his own supporters if he extends when it's clear he doesn't want to extend himself; when he's only doing it because other people have made him do it.
Boris will never extend himself, as Lord Sumption said a civil servant will send the letter on Parliament and the Government's behalf if necessary as a last resort
That would be an abdication of responsibility. I would give yourself a good look in the mirror about your defence of BoJo. What is in it for you? You didn't even vote for Brexit and BoJo is unlikely to ever deliver a political opening for you. The only thing he is interested in is his own tenuous grip on power...
I respect democracy and the Leave vote and I can't stand Corbyn, I will fight night and day to stop Corbyn winning the next general election
No you won't, you'll comment on here night and day, and convince precisely nobody. Because 80% of us have made up our minds and 90% of us think you've got the intellect of a cheese toastie.
Telegraph reporting that the Extremist Alliance have been meeting to decide next steps forward. VONC discussed but Swinson will not back Corbyn. LD and SNP proposed Beckett, Corbyn said no way. The art of compromise alive and well in the HoC.
Swinson should be ignored. She only brings 18 paltry votes. Let her take the responsibility for a No Deal Brexit. She was a member of the Tory coalition. She is a proper Little Tory Helper.
Swinson has already voted for and helped pass an anti No Deal extension Bill that has received Royal Assent, she has no need to make Corbyn PM and piss off Tory Remain voters in southern and London Tory marginals the LDs are targeting
Why would that piss off Tory Remain voters?
Tory Remain voters prefer Boris to Corbyn as PM 59% to 4%
Telegraph reporting that the Extremist Alliance have been meeting to decide next steps forward. VONC discussed but Swinson will not back Corbyn. LD and SNP proposed Beckett, Corbyn said no way. The art of compromise alive and well in the HoC.
Swinson should be ignored. She only brings 18 paltry votes. Let her take the responsibility for a No Deal Brexit. She was a member of the Tory coalition. She is a proper Little Tory Helper.
Swinson has already voted for and helped pass an anti No Deal extension Bill that has received Royal Assent, she has no need to make Corbyn PM and piss off Tory Remain voters in southern and London Tory marginals the LDs are targeting
Am sure Swinson will do well with Remoaners if she fails to back Jezza who represents the best chance of stopping No Deal
Swinson commands 18 votes Max.
THERE ARE MORE THAN 18 LEXIT supporting MPs in Lab. who will never vote for anyone else.
More Remain voters now back the LDs than Corbyn Labour in the latest polls, unless they are already voting Labour Remain voters despise Corbyn as much as Boris
Thought that is before Swinson sabotages stopping No Deal
If she does that expect remainers to dump the idea of voting LD
The LDs have already voted for a Law that has passed to stop No Deal, they do not need to make Corbyn PM as further extension is now the law with royal assent and as Lord Sumption has said a civil servant will send the extension letter as a last resort even if Boris refuses to as he likely will
Telegraph reporting that the Extremist Alliance have been meeting to decide next steps forward. VONC discussed but Swinson will not back Corbyn. LD and SNP proposed Beckett, Corbyn said no way. The art of compromise alive and well in the HoC.
Swinson should be ignored. She only brings 18 paltry votes. Let her take the responsibility for a No Deal Brexit. She was a member of the Tory coalition. She is a proper Little Tory Helper.
Swinson has already voted for and helped pass an anti No Deal extension Bill that has received Royal Assent, she has no need to make Corbyn PM and piss off Tory Remain voters in southern and London Tory marginals the LDs are targeting
Why would that piss off Tory Remain voters?
Tory Remain voters prefer Boris to Corbyn as PM 59% to 4%
It may not damage Johnson with his own supporters if he extends when it's clear he doesn't want to extend himself; when he's only doing it because other people have made him do it.
Boris will never extend himself, as Lord Sumption said a civil servant will send the letter on Parliament and the Government's behalf if necessary as a last resort
That would be an abdication of responsibility. I would give yourself a good look in the mirror about your defence of BoJo. What is in it for you? You didn't even vote for Brexit and BoJo is unlikely to ever deliver a political opening for you. The only thing he is interested in is his own tenuous grip on power...
I respect democracy and the Leave vote and I can't stand Corbyn, I will fight night and day to stop Corbyn winning the next general election
No you won't, you'll comment on here night and day, and convince precisely nobody. Because 80% of us have made up our minds and 90% of us think you've got the intellect of a cheese toastie.
I campaign in marginal seats most weekends, Chingford, Enfield Southgate etc.
I could not care less what anyone thinks of me on here
It may not damage Johnson with his own supporters if he extends when it's clear he doesn't want to extend himself; when he's only doing it because other people have made him do it.
Boris will never extend himself, as Lord Sumption said a civil servant will send the letter on Parliament and the Government's behalf if necessary as a last resort
That would be an abdication of responsibility. I would give yourself a good look in the mirror about your defence of BoJo. What is in it for you? You didn't even vote for Brexit and BoJo is unlikely to ever deliver a political opening for you. The only thing he is interested in is his own tenuous grip on power...
I respect democracy and the Leave vote and I can't stand Corbyn, I will fight night and day to stop Corbyn winning the next general election
You just keep telling your fellow Tory remainers to go vote LibDem....
Telegraph reporting that the Extremist Alliance have been meeting to decide next steps forward. VONC discussed but Swinson will not back Corbyn. LD and SNP proposed Beckett, Corbyn said no way. The art of compromise alive and well in the HoC.
Swinson should be ignored. She only brings 18 paltry votes. Let her take the responsibility for a No Deal Brexit. She was a member of the Tory coalition. She is a proper Little Tory Helper.
Swinson has already voted for and helped pass an anti No Deal extension Bill that has received Royal Assent, she has no need to make Corbyn PM and piss off Tory Remain voters in southern and London Tory marginals the LDs are targeting
Am sure Swinson will do well with Remoaners if she fails to back Jezza who represents the best chance of stopping No Deal
Swinson commands 18 votes Max.
THERE ARE MORE THAN 18 LEXIT supporting MPs in Lab. who will never vote for anyone else.
More Remain voters now back the LDs than Corbyn Labour in the latest polls, unless they are already voting Labour Remain voters despise Corbyn as much as Boris
Thought that is before Swinson sabotages stopping No Deal
If she does that expect remainers to dump the idea of voting LD
Nah. Jezza cannot be trusted over Brexit. Last weeks conference confirmed that.
Yes people are talking as if they're just going to VONC and see what happens. Am I missing something?
Surely they'd have a caretaker PM already lined up, given the 14 day timer. Maybe that doesn't apply later in September when they might get desperate, but at least for now.
So since Corbyn won't agree to someone else without an emergency if at all, and LD/ex-Con won't agree to Corbyn without an emergency if at all, and it's not yet an emergency, and SNP won't VONC without an agreement, that means no VONC this week, right?
It may not damage Johnson with his own supporters if he extends when it's clear he doesn't want to extend himself; when he's only doing it because other people have made him do it.
Boris will never extend himself, as Lord Sumption said a civil servant will send the letter on Parliament and the Government's behalf if necessary as a last resort
That would be an abdication of responsibility. I would give yourself a good look in the mirror about your defence of BoJo. What is in it for you? You didn't even vote for Brexit and BoJo is unlikely to ever deliver a political opening for you. The only thing he is interested in is his own tenuous grip on power...
I respect democracy and the Leave vote and I can't stand Corbyn, I will fight night and day to stop Corbyn winning the next general election
No you won't, you'll comment on here night and day, and convince precisely nobody. Because 80% of us have made up our minds and 90% of us think you've got the intellect of a cheese toastie.
It may not damage Johnson with his own supporters if he extends when it's clear he doesn't want to extend himself; when he's only doing it because other people have made him do it.
Boris will never extend himself, as Lord Sumption said a civil servant will send the letter on Parliament and the Government's behalf if necessary as a last resort
That would be an abdication of responsibility. I would give yourself a good look in the mirror about your defence of BoJo. What is in it for you? You didn't even vote for Brexit and BoJo is unlikely to ever deliver a political opening for you. The only thing he is interested in is his own tenuous grip on power...
I respect democracy and the Leave vote and I can't stand Corbyn, I will fight night and day to stop Corbyn winning the next general election
No you won't, you'll comment on here night and day, and convince precisely nobody. Because 80% of us have made up our minds and 90% of us think you've got the intellect of a cheese toastie.
I campaign in marginal seats most weekends, Chingford, Enfield Southgate etc.
I could not care less what anyone thinks of me on here
I had the greatest burger of my life today in Tynemouth. ‘The View’ if anyone is ever in the area. Overlooks the North Sea. Beautiful.
It may not damage Johnson with his own supporters if he extends when it's clear he doesn't want to extend himself; when he's only doing it because other people have made him do it.
Boris will never extend himself, as Lord Sumption said a civil servant will send the letter on Parliament and the Government's behalf if necessary as a last resort
That would be an abdication of responsibility. I would give yourself a good look in the mirror about your defence of BoJo. What is in it for you? You didn't even vote for Brexit and BoJo is unlikely to ever deliver a political opening for you. The only thing he is interested in is his own tenuous grip on power...
I respect democracy and the Leave vote and I can't stand Corbyn, I will fight night and day to stop Corbyn winning the next general election
No you won't, you'll comment on here night and day, and convince precisely nobody. Because 80% of us have made up our minds and 90% of us think you've got the intellect of a cheese toastie.
Thought that is before Swinson sabotages stopping No Deal
If she does that expect remainers to dump the idea of voting LD
Remoaner here, I definitely wouldn't see it that way. Before the ex-Cons jumped I would have for the reason you gave (lab leavers will only vote for Corbyn) and I was getting mad at her for closing down options but at this point Corbyn clearly isn't the way to go.
If Corbyn wants to be PM his best bet is to suggest he'll support someone popular, in the hope that Boris recommends Corbyn to the Queen to stop that happening.
Why don’t Americans instal proper level crossings? The noise of trains hooting as they cross each road echoes across every railway town in the States, day or night. Here I am on the veranda trying to enjoy a quiet glass of wine in searing heat (still above 30C at 5pm) whilst looking across at Chatanooga, and some impossibly long and noisy choo choo is slowly inching out of town.
A professional friend of mine left Atlanta because the miserably hot and humid summers were “never-ending”. He said that every year he’d convince himself that it would all be over by the end of September, sometimes to be confronted by 90 degree heat for another fortnight!
Why don’t Americans instal proper level crossings? The noise of trains hooting as they cross each road echoes across every railway town in the States, day or night. Here I am on the veranda trying to enjoy a quiet glass of wine in searing heat (still above 30C at 5pm) whilst looking across at Chatanooga, and some impossibly long and noisy choo choo is slowly inching out of town.
I'm in a flat in the South East of England. It was pissing down earlier and my umbrella's drying. I'm eating cheese and working. My sympathy is not as much as I think you were hoping for...
Why don’t Americans instal proper level crossings? The noise of trains hooting as they cross each road echoes across every railway town in the States, day or night. Here I am on the veranda trying to enjoy a quiet glass of wine in searing heat (still above 30C at 5pm) whilst looking across at Chatanooga, and some impossibly long and noisy choo choo is slowly inching out of town.
I'm in a flat in the South East of England. It was pissing down earlier and my umbrella's drying. I'm eating cheese and working. My sympathy is not as much as I think you were hoping for...
Take it as a suggested improvement opportunity for the USA and an opportunity to contribute your opinion? We are at least both eating cheese, and I suspect yours is better than mine.
Why don’t Americans instal proper level crossings? The noise of trains hooting as they cross each road echoes across every railway town in the States, day or night. Here I am on the veranda trying to enjoy a quiet glass of wine in searing heat (still above 30C at 5pm) whilst looking across at Chatanooga, and some impossibly long and noisy choo choo is slowly inching out of town.
I'm in a flat in the South East of England. It was pissing down earlier and my umbrella's drying. I'm eating cheese and working. My sympathy is not as much as I think you were hoping for...
You have a flat in South East England? My god you must be a millionaire!
Why don’t Americans instal proper level crossings? The noise of trains hooting as they cross each road echoes across every railway town in the States, day or night. Here I am on the veranda trying to enjoy a quiet glass of wine in searing heat (still above 30C at 5pm) whilst looking across at Chatanooga, and some impossibly long and noisy choo choo is slowly inching out of town.
A professional friend of mine left Atlanta because the miserably hot and humid summers were “never-ending”. He said that every year he’d convince himself that it would all be over by the end of September, sometimes to be confronted by 90 degree heat for another fortnight!
It’s tough, isn’t it. We moan about our miserable UK weather, yet come somewhere like this where I am sweating profusely just sitting here out in the open, with walking around even slowly at lunchtime worse still, and it doesn’t take long to appreciate the benefits of a mild climate. Before mentioning the supersize mozzies. People here say it isn’t normally like this in early Fall, but looking back at recent years, increasingly it is.
Why don’t Americans instal proper level crossings? The noise of trains hooting as they cross each road echoes across every railway town in the States, day or night. Here I am on the veranda trying to enjoy a quiet glass of wine in searing heat (still above 30C at 5pm) whilst looking across at Chatanooga, and some impossibly long and noisy choo choo is slowly inching out of town.
I might ask the same sort of question as to why they don't install proper fittings in their public toilet cubicles.
I mean if Leavers can put up with Bozo then as a Remainer I have no problem at all with Corbyn being in charge before a GE.
Indeed if it meant removing the pathological liar from no 10 then that’s a very big plus .
Agree, I have no problem with it.
But the people you have to ask about are *Tory* Remainers: Firstly because there are at least 20 MP's votes up for grabs, and the numbers don't really work without them, and secondly because if LD can't get their voters to vote LD, Boris is going to win any subsequent election.
Why don’t Americans instal proper level crossings? The noise of trains hooting as they cross each road echoes across every railway town in the States, day or night. Here I am on the veranda trying to enjoy a quiet glass of wine in searing heat (still above 30C at 5pm) whilst looking across at Chatanooga, and some impossibly long and noisy choo choo is slowly inching out of town.
I'm in a flat in the South East of England. It was pissing down earlier and my umbrella's drying. I'm eating cheese and working. My sympathy is not as much as I think you were hoping for...
You have a flat in South East England? My god you must be a millionaire!
Why don’t Americans instal proper level crossings? The noise of trains hooting as they cross each road echoes across every railway town in the States, day or night. Here I am on the veranda trying to enjoy a quiet glass of wine in searing heat (still above 30C at 5pm) whilst looking across at Chatanooga, and some impossibly long and noisy choo choo is slowly inching out of town.
I might ask the same sort of question as to why they don't install proper fittings in their public toilet cubicles.
Carpet in Bathrooms. Electric sockets in bathrooms. Two-pin plugs. How they survive bathing is beyond me...
Why don’t Americans instal proper level crossings? The noise of trains hooting as they cross each road echoes across every railway town in the States, day or night. Here I am on the veranda trying to enjoy a quiet glass of wine in searing heat (still above 30C at 5pm) whilst looking across at Chatanooga, and some impossibly long and noisy choo choo is slowly inching out of town.
I'm in a flat in the South East of England. It was pissing down earlier and my umbrella's drying. I'm eating cheese and working. My sympathy is not as much as I think you were hoping for...
Take it as a suggested improvement opportunity for the USA and an opportunity to contribute your opinion? We are at least both eating cheese, and I suspect yours is better than mine.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/27/us/politics/donald-trump-global-warming-energy-policy.html
29% of Tory voters in 2017 voted Remain so around 1% of Tory voters in 2017 prefer Corbyn to Boris and around 10% are not sure.
Yes Labour’s figures are worse but I can’t believe 10% of Tory voters would even consider the marxist as possibly better than the actual Tory Prime Minister.
Please check my working.
Even a less divisive figure would struggle .
Quite a few of the 21 would want to have the whip restored , of those not seeking re election putting Corbyn in charge is still not going to happen .
To a degree we’re seeing a game of chicken amongst the opposition . The other issue is who serves in the cabinet of a GNU.
The best course of action for all of them is to try and force an earlier extension request however given Johnson’s recent actions even if a filibuster fails in the HOL he’s likely to advise the Queen to refuse Royal Consent .
* Actually 18 lexiters prepared to leave Boris there may be too many but there are definitely some
However there may be deaths as a result of Cameron's Cuts.
This is pretty typical.
https://twitter.com/ewarren/status/1178117233316438018?s=19
67% of Tory Remain voters prefer No Deal to Corbyn PM, only 16% of Tory Remain voters prefer Corbyn as PM to No Deal
https://lordashcroftpolls.com/2019/09/state-of-the-nation-my-new-polling-on-the-political-landscape-and-the-battle-lines-for-the-next-election/
At least for proper fathers, unlike the PM.
He visited her flat for technology lessons !
If she does that expect remainers to dump the idea of voting LD
If the Leave vote is not respected though and Brexit is never delivered then I would try and prevent Corbyn ever becoming PM or forming a government
Compare that to nice normal middle aged mum Jo Swinson.
I could not care less what anyone thinks of me on here
If Corbyn wants to be PM his best bet is to suggest he'll support someone popular, in the hope that Boris recommends Corbyn to the Queen to stop that happening.
4 floors. Incredible views.
However, there is a new thread, and he's there already...
It’s tough, isn’t it. We moan about our miserable UK weather, yet come somewhere like this where I am sweating profusely just sitting here out in the open, with walking around even slowly at lunchtime worse still, and it doesn’t take long to appreciate the benefits of a mild climate. Before mentioning the supersize mozzies. People here say it isn’t normally like this in early Fall, but looking back at recent years, increasingly it is.
This cheese has been toasted
I mean if Leavers can put up with Bozo then as a Remainer I have no problem at all with Corbyn being in charge before a GE.
Indeed if it meant removing the pathological liar from no 10 then that’s a very big plus .
But the people you have to ask about are *Tory* Remainers: Firstly because there are at least 20 MP's votes up for grabs, and the numbers don't really work without them, and secondly because if LD can't get their voters to vote LD, Boris is going to win any subsequent election.