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Good call. Yes.Noo said:
Joanna CherryByronic said:I’m extending my test. Can any PB-er think of any figure, from politics, whose reputation has been enhanced by the Brexit process?
Try not to be too partisan. It’s boring. If you can’t find anyone in politics you are allowed to trawl the worlds of journalism, law and academe.
Through gritted teeth I would say Bercow, maybe. He’s vain and annoying and a tediously woke Tory. But he’s grasped that this is a revolutionary moment and he’s done a good job of defending parliament, when parliament probably didn’t deserve it. Also he’s quite entertaining.0 -
"Try not to be too partisan. It’s boring."TGOHF2 said:
She was starting from a very very low base.Noo said:
Joanna CherryByronic said:I’m extending my test. Can any PB-er think of any figure, from politics, whose reputation has been enhanced by the Brexit process?
Try not to be too partisan. It’s boring. If you can’t find anyone in politics you are allowed to trawl the worlds of journalism, law and academe.
https://twitter.com/agentp22/status/842515167904759809?s=21
Fuck's sake.0 -
Not sure his reputation had been enhanced - just not damaged.williamglenn said:
Ken Clarke.Byronic said:I’m extending my test. Can any PB-er think of any figure, from politics, whose reputation has been enhanced by the Brexit process?
Try not to be too partisan. It’s boring. If you can’t find anyone in politics you are allowed to trawl the worlds of journalism, law and academe.
John Major might be a better answer.0 -
Do you say that because his name is 'Yousef' so you assume him to be a Muslim and therefore a figure of fun for you and the other Guidoista floater?FrancisUrquhart said:
It was clearly the Zionists that tampered with his twitter and framed him.Floater said:Another classy Labour activist
https://order-order.com/2019/09/25/star-of-labours-broadcast-tonight-is-conspiracy-theorist/0 -
Try and think of someone on the Leave side. It’s more interesting that way.Gallowgate said:
Rory StewartByronic said:I’m extending my test. Can any PB-er think of any figure, from politics, whose reputation has been enhanced by the Brexit process?
Try not to be too partisan. It’s boring. If you can’t find anyone in politics you are allowed to trawl the worlds of journalism, law and academe.
Joanna Cherry0 -
Oh catch yourself on, we have a minority government and a restless parliament that large parts of disagree with the manifesto commitments of the two main parties, which followed naturally from a referendum victory.AlastairMeeks said:
The referendum was an inflexion point. Britain is the 21st century Argentina.Gallowgate said:
I am scared about where we are going I really am.AlastairMeeks said:
Meanwhile we have a booming economy.
The inability of so many of those who are not used to losing to come to terms with losing is remarkable.
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Jo Swinson?Byronic said:I’m extending my test. Can any PB-er think of any figure, from politics, whose reputation has been enhanced by the Brexit process?
Try not to be too partisan. It’s boring. If you can’t find anyone in politics you are allowed to trawl the worlds of journalism, law and academe.
I completely, fundantenally disagree with her stance on revoke but she is at least honest and if she was to win a majority and revoked I would accept it.
Also I think she comes across as a genuiely nice person. In less "febrile" times, once Brexit is sorted out one way or another I could see myself voting for her...0 -
I think she got a pounding there.TGOHF2 said:
She was starting from a very very low base.Noo said:
Joanna CherryByronic said:I’m extending my test. Can any PB-er think of any figure, from politics, whose reputation has been enhanced by the Brexit process?
Try not to be too partisan. It’s boring. If you can’t find anyone in politics you are allowed to trawl the worlds of journalism, law and academe.
https://twitter.com/agentp22/status/842515167904759809?s=21
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Get in the sun moreNoo said:
I'm really glad other people are saying this. Cox's statement today made my blood run cold.Gallowgate said:
I am scared about where we are going I really am.AlastairMeeks said:0 -
Stephen Lloyd. Even though it was clear the deal would never pass and he could have fudged a response without it making a difference, he kept a promise he had made to his constituents to back an exit to the EU and public supported it.Byronic said:I’m extending my test. Can any PB-er think of any figure, from politics, whose reputation has been enhanced by the Brexit process?
Try not to be too partisan. It’s boring. If you can’t find anyone in politics you are allowed to trawl the worlds of journalism, law and academe.1 -
That wouldn't have been the first name to jump to my mind, but you make a fair case.Byronic said:
Good call. Yes.Noo said:
Joanna CherryByronic said:I’m extending my test. Can any PB-er think of any figure, from politics, whose reputation has been enhanced by the Brexit process?
Try not to be too partisan. It’s boring. If you can’t find anyone in politics you are allowed to trawl the worlds of journalism, law and academe.
Through gritted teeth I would say Bercow, maybe. He’s vain and annoying and a tediously woke Tory. But he’s grasped that this is a revolutionary moment and he’s done a good job of defending parliament, when parliament probably didn’t deserve it. Also he’s quite entertaining.0 -
A NO from meByronic said:I’m extending my test. Can any PB-er think of any figure, from politics, whose reputation has been enhanced by the Brexit process?
Try not to be too partisan. It’s boring. If you can’t find anyone in politics you are allowed to trawl the worlds of journalism, law and academe.0 -
I don't excuse wanky Remainer behaviour. As you would realise if you had read my numerous headers over the last three years I have been writing them.Byronic said:
You excuse all wanky Remainer behavior. But condemn the same from all Leavers. It renders your opinion absurd and otiose, as you are so obviously biased.Cyclefree said:
The Establishment - whoever that is - are seeking to avoid a disorderly withdrawal from the EU. That incidentally is in line with the manifesto on which the government was elected. There are those who would prefer to remain in the EU and they are entitled to think that and campaign for it and vote for it and take the consequences at the next election. Losing a vote does not mean that you are no longer entitled to say what you think and act on it.Byronic said:
You realize all of the above applies, with some fierce poignancy, to the Establishment which now seeks to subvert the democratic brexit vote. Right?Cyclefree said:I wonder whether the PM and A-G would agree with the following:-
"And you know, my friends, the most difficult thing is to explain what a rule of law is, as distinct from just an oppressive law. They say,
Or this:-
The third guarantee of liberty is the rule of law. The idea that all are equal under the law is deeply rooted in our democratic systems and nowhere else..... The thought that no one in the state can escape the law is, after all, a daring one...... This is not a thought which the powerful can easily accept. Those who hold sway in totalitarian states take good care that the rule of law does not challenge their authority."
MPs want a different deal. They are being obstructed from that because the current government has no negotiating strategy and has prioritised a date over getting a deal. It has also done absolutely nothing about trying to get any sort of consensus about what such a deal might look like. It is now stuck. It doesn't like this. The fact that this is in large part a result of its own idiotic actions seems to have passed it by. And in consequence it is lashing out at anyone and everyone instead of growing up and taking responsibility.
The truth is we have been failed by our entire political class (and beyond), from left to right, from leave to stay.
It’s difficult to think of one figure who has come out of this calamity with his/her reputation enhanced. But I’m going to have a go. There must be one. Must be. Surely.
I’m thinking now.
Still thinking.
Christ.
Um...
Andrew Neil?0 -
For all that I dislike her politics intensely and am on the polar opposite from her as far as Brexit is concerned, I would suggest Nicola Sturgeon.Byronic said:I’m extending my test. Can any PB-er think of any figure, from politics, whose reputation has been enhanced by the Brexit process?
Try not to be too partisan. It’s boring. If you can’t find anyone in politics you are allowed to trawl the worlds of journalism, law and academe.
She has been clear that her first and only priority is the people of Scotland. She has represented their views and has been consistent in her opposition to Brexit. The SNP stood by its principles and did not vote for Article 50 and even though she is not in Parliament her influence and control over her party including the Westminster MPs has been very impressive.
I just wish she was on my side of the argument.
Oh and Michel Barnier.0 -
Only if he was telling the truth that he would not have put his name to such a request.Peter_the_Punter said:
It was certainly a bravura act, and like you I enjoyed it. It was mostly bullshit but brilliantly served up.malcolmg said:
I found it very entertaining , he is a chancer of the first order but he put on a show.Noo said:
I'm really glad other people are saying this. Cox's statement today made my blood run cold.Gallowgate said:
I am scared about where we are going I really am.AlastairMeeks said:
Amidst the bullshit was however a little gem. He would not have put his name to a proroguation request that went beyond the end of October. That was a clear acknowledgement that his view was that proroguation was justiciable.
His view therefore differed from the judgement of the SC only in respect of timing and length of proroguation.0 -
There is nobody on the Leave side who has enhanced their reputation. The whole project is a dog’s dinner.Byronic said:
Try and think of someone on the Leave side. It’s more interesting that way.Gallowgate said:
Rory StewartByronic said:I’m extending my test. Can any PB-er think of any figure, from politics, whose reputation has been enhanced by the Brexit process?
Try not to be too partisan. It’s boring. If you can’t find anyone in politics you are allowed to trawl the worlds of journalism, law and academe.
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Please...AlastairMeeks said:Oliver Letwin.
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williamglenn said:
Ken Clarke.Byronic said:I’m extending my test. Can any PB-er think of any figure, from politics, whose reputation has been enhanced by the Brexit process?
Try not to be too partisan. It’s boring. If you can’t find anyone in politics you are allowed to trawl the worlds of journalism, law and academe.
Rory Stewart.0 -
Liam Fox? The only man moderated by the Brexit process.Byronic said:
Try and think of someone on the Leave side. It’s more interesting that way.Gallowgate said:
Rory StewartByronic said:I’m extending my test. Can any PB-er think of any figure, from politics, whose reputation has been enhanced by the Brexit process?
Try not to be too partisan. It’s boring. If you can’t find anyone in politics you are allowed to trawl the worlds of journalism, law and academe.
Joanna Cherry
And though derided as a remainer now Rory Stewart was one fo the few to actually argue strongly and positively for May's deal. Whether one likes the deal or not he put the effort in unlike her cowardly cabinet colleagues.
And while he did back Remain, spending years fighting for leave counts as being on the leave side - otherwise the joke that HYUFD is a remainer would be true.0 -
Stephen KinnockGIN1138 said:0 -
I've always admired Nicola. She's a very canny operator.Richard_Tyndall said:
For all that I dislike her politics intensely and am on the polar opposite from her as far as Brexit is concerned, I would suggest Nicola Sturgeon.Byronic said:I’m extending my test. Can any PB-er think of any figure, from politics, whose reputation has been enhanced by the Brexit process?
Try not to be too partisan. It’s boring. If you can’t find anyone in politics you are allowed to trawl the worlds of journalism, law and academe.
She has been clear that her first and only priority is the people of Scotland. She has represented their views and has been consistent in her opposition to Brexit. The SNP stood by its principles and did not vote for Article 50 and even though she is not in Parliament her influence and control over her party including the Westminster MPs has been very impressive.
I just wish she was on my side of the argument.1 -
Peter OborneByronic said:
Try and think of someone on the Leave side. It’s more interesting that way.Gallowgate said:
Rory StewartByronic said:I’m extending my test. Can any PB-er think of any figure, from politics, whose reputation has been enhanced by the Brexit process?
Try not to be too partisan. It’s boring. If you can’t find anyone in politics you are allowed to trawl the worlds of journalism, law and academe.
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That was starting from a very (or should I say, in Werrity) low base as well though.kle4 said:
Liam Fox? The only man moderated by the Brexit process.Byronic said:
Try and think of someone on the Leave side. It’s more interesting that way.Gallowgate said:
Rory StewartByronic said:I’m extending my test. Can any PB-er think of any figure, from politics, whose reputation has been enhanced by the Brexit process?
Try not to be too partisan. It’s boring. If you can’t find anyone in politics you are allowed to trawl the worlds of journalism, law and academe.
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Actually. That’s a lie. Every leaver who I have spoken to who has now changed their mind and now back Remain. They have had their reputation enhanced.Gallowgate said:
There is nobody on the Leave side who has enhanced their reputation. The whole project is a dog’s dinner.Byronic said:
Try and think of someone on the Leave side. It’s more interesting that way.Gallowgate said:
Rory StewartByronic said:I’m extending my test. Can any PB-er think of any figure, from politics, whose reputation has been enhanced by the Brexit process?
Try not to be too partisan. It’s boring. If you can’t find anyone in politics you are allowed to trawl the worlds of journalism, law and academe.
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I see nunuone made it back to his village, given his absencemalcolmg said:
lol, how intelligent, you really add value. Back to your village they are searching for you.nunuone said:
We could replace malcolm with a bot and no one would notice the difference.Gallowgate said:
I’ll join in with your immature prose:malcolmg said:
she is crapOmnium said:
She needs some voice coaching.Gallowgate said:Great soundbite from Jo Swinson. She knows what she’s doing.
I don't think that what she said was good anyway.
If she can get your 'great' when being as she is, then there's a lot of opportunity for Swinson.
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Don't be a twat. Nobody on here has ever accused me of being an Islamophobe / posting material of that nature.Roger said:
Do you say that because his name is 'Yousef' so you assume him to be a Muslim and therefore a figure of fun for you and the other Guidoista floater?FrancisUrquhart said:
It was clearly the Zionists that tampered with his twitter and framed him.Floater said:Another classy Labour activist
https://order-order.com/2019/09/25/star-of-labours-broadcast-tonight-is-conspiracy-theorist/
As you well know, there has been a huge string of Labour Party members who have been found to have a history of conspiracy theory tweets, many of which revolve around the Jews / Zionists being behind lots of things...and when people get caught with dodgy tweets often they claim somebody hacked their account.
Joke explained...0 -
Given the Supreme Court has effectively ruled he acted unlawfully when he prorogued Parliament to avoid scrutiny would have to disagree. Plus he is a massive hypocriteydoethur said:
Not sure his reputation had been enhanced - just not damaged.williamglenn said:
Ken Clarke.Byronic said:I’m extending my test. Can any PB-er think of any figure, from politics, whose reputation has been enhanced by the Brexit process?
Try not to be too partisan. It’s boring. If you can’t find anyone in politics you are allowed to trawl the worlds of journalism, law and academe.
John Major might be a better answer.1 -
Me too.Gallowgate said:
I am scared about where we are going I really am.AlastairMeeks said:0 -
Absolutely.Noo said:
I'm really glad other people are saying this. Cox's statement today made my blood run cold.Gallowgate said:
I am scared about where we are going I really am.AlastairMeeks said:
"It couldn't happen here?" Don't you believe it.0 -
The Speaker?
(only joking!)0 -
Booming economy? You’re quite unhinged.Mortimer said:
Oh catch yourself on, we have a minority government and a restless parliament that large parts of disagree with the manifesto commitments of the two main parties, which followed naturally from a referendum victory.AlastairMeeks said:
The referendum was an inflexion point. Britain is the 21st century Argentina.Gallowgate said:
I am scared about where we are going I really am.AlastairMeeks said:
Meanwhile we have a booming economy.
The inability of so many of those who are not used to losing to come to terms with losing is remarkable.0 -
I confess I am finding it hard to think of ANY Leaver politician who has been reputationally enhanced. Probably because it is their project and the onus is on them and, so far, it is failing badly (even tho they would blame much of that on Remainers).
There must be ONE.0 -
SNP are on board with stopping No Deal firstmalcolmg said:
Labour MPs are useless collectively and individually. Grow a pair and call a VONCGallowgate said:Labour MPs are making the referendum mistake again. By keep coming back to Boris calling the Act the “Surrender Act” it’s just embedding it into the nation’s mind.
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Just to consider the basics for a moment, during the miners' strike people were hoarding sugar, toilet rolls, and then salt.
We are connected to Europe through the EU in thousands of ways. How would we cope with a clean break, or for that matter any form of brexit ?0 -
Sarah Wollaston?Byronic said:I confess I am finding it hard to think of ANY Leaver politician who has been reputationally enhanced. Probably because it is their project and the onus is on them and, so far, it is failing badly (even tho they would blame much of that on Remainers).
There must be ONE.
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https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1176934557586788352?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1176934557586788352&ref_url=https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/sep/25/boris-johnson-flies-to-uk-as-parliament-returns-after-court-ruling-politics-liveCyclefree said:CatMan said:Boris Johnson doesn't give a shit if another MP is murdered. What a guy.
What did he say?0 -
From a low base, Andrea Leadsom.Byronic said:I confess I am finding it hard to think of ANY Leaver politician who has been reputationally enhanced. Probably because it is their project and the onus is on them and, so far, it is failing badly (even tho they would blame much of that on Remainers).
There must be ONE.0 -
and from a very high starting position too.williamglenn said:
Ken Clarke.Byronic said:I’m extending my test. Can any PB-er think of any figure, from politics, whose reputation has been enhanced by the Brexit process?
Try not to be too partisan. It’s boring. If you can’t find anyone in politics you are allowed to trawl the worlds of journalism, law and academe.0 -
Yes! Good spot. She has. Weirdly,AlastairMeeks said:
From a low base, Andrea Leadsom.Byronic said:I confess I am finding it hard to think of ANY Leaver politician who has been reputationally enhanced. Probably because it is their project and the onus is on them and, so far, it is failing badly (even tho they would blame much of that on Remainers).
There must be ONE.0 -
Even then she was doing better in 2017 compared to now.AlastairMeeks said:
From a low base, Andrea Leadsom.Byronic said:I confess I am finding it hard to think of ANY Leaver politician who has been reputationally enhanced. Probably because it is their project and the onus is on them and, so far, it is failing badly (even tho they would blame much of that on Remainers).
There must be ONE.
Mind you her base in 2016 was so low that even now is an improvement.0 -
"Boris Johnson has paved the way for an acrimonious “people versus parliament” general election with a defiant defence of his Brexit strategy, in which he refused to take any blame for his historic defeat in the Supreme Court.
On a day of ferocious debate in the House of Commons, which was recalled after Britain’s highest court overturned the prime minister’s attempt to suspend it for five weeks, he claimed MPs were trying to “sabotage” Brexit."
https://www.ft.com/content/5cd109c6-df82-11e9-9743-db5a370481bc0 -
Thank you.Noo said:
Blimey. I missed that post. Formidable stuff. Thank you for signposting it. I hope it gets read (or reread) by those here today.Cyclefree said:You are absolutely right. See here - http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2019/07/21/cultivating-democracy/
There are some MPs who could do with reading it I feel. Some of them are even in government.
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You haven't been stockpiling have you.Toms said:Just to consider the basics for a moment, during the miners' strike people were hoarding sugar, toilet rolls, and then salt.
We are connected to Europe through the EU in thousands of ways. How would we cope with a clean break, or for that matter any form of brexit ?0 -
Thread:Chris said:
Absolutely.Noo said:
I'm really glad other people are saying this. Cox's statement today made my blood run cold.Gallowgate said:
I am scared about where we are going I really am.AlastairMeeks said:
"It couldn't happen here?" Don't you believe it.
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She was never a Leaver. Her 'conversion' to Leave and subsequent recanting was one of the most obvious staged episodes in political history.Gallowgate said:
Sarah Wollaston?Byronic said:I confess I am finding it hard to think of ANY Leaver politician who has been reputationally enhanced. Probably because it is their project and the onus is on them and, so far, it is failing badly (even tho they would blame much of that on Remainers).
There must be ONE.1 -
I feel she still has womb for improvement.Byronic said:
Yes! Good spot. She has. Weirdly,AlastairMeeks said:
From a low base, Andrea Leadsom.Byronic said:I confess I am finding it hard to think of ANY Leaver politician who has been reputationally enhanced. Probably because it is their project and the onus is on them and, so far, it is failing badly (even tho they would blame much of that on Remainers).
There must be ONE.
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Yes. Congratulations on spotting that one.Richard_Tyndall said:
She was never a Leaver. Her 'conversion' to Leave and subsequent recanting was one of the most obvious staged episodes in political history.Gallowgate said:
Sarah Wollaston?Byronic said:I confess I am finding it hard to think of ANY Leaver politician who has been reputationally enhanced. Probably because it is their project and the onus is on them and, so far, it is failing badly (even tho they would blame much of that on Remainers).
There must be ONE.0 -
I recommend Oxo and Knorr for "stock" pilingeek said:
You haven't been stockpiling have you.Toms said:Just to consider the basics for a moment, during the miners' strike people were hoarding sugar, toilet rolls, and then salt.
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When asked to wind back his language he refuses, he is unfit for office0
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Hellava shout, and in most ways I agree. What's been really remarkable has been her firm commitment to trying to, in her eyes, save the UK from itself. But she's hurt in reputation in the eyes of the diehard nats who welcome the sheer terrifying stupidity of what's been happening down here. After all, we've been giving Scots all the arguments they could ever need about the sclerosis, the baying cretins in the Commons, and the sinister authoritarian bent of this current Conservative & Unionist Party.Richard_Tyndall said:I would suggest Nicola Sturgeon.
Some of those who want independence look on gobsmacked that Sturgeon is trying to stop exactly the kind of chaos that /could/ help the nat cause. Certainly that notorious transphobic blogger whose name I will not mention and who represents sadly far too many of that cohort is adamant that Sturgeon is using bad tactics.
But for me, I think she's playing a magnificent Brexit, and has somehow found herself alone in the moral uplands. But her reputation is certainly up for grabs depending on how urgently and blinkeredly folk want independence.0 -
More employed than ever before (as a percentage).AlastairMeeks said:
Booming economy? You’re quite unhinged.Mortimer said:
Oh catch yourself on, we have a minority government and a restless parliament that large parts of disagree with the manifesto commitments of the two main parties, which followed naturally from a referendum victory.AlastairMeeks said:
The referendum was an inflexion point. Britain is the 21st century Argentina.Gallowgate said:
I am scared about where we are going I really am.AlastairMeeks said:
Meanwhile we have a booming economy.
The inability of so many of those who are not used to losing to come to terms with losing is remarkable.
Low inflation.
Rising wages.
How many years since a recession? 10 years?
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And as suggested in my header it raises the question of precisely what legal advice he gave the government. I hope that Starmer or Grieve or someone keeps pressing this point. I sense that there is something not quite right going on in relation to that, which may also explain Cox's hysterical performance today.Peter_the_Punter said:
It was certainly a bravura act, and like you I enjoyed it. It was mostly bullshit but brilliantly served up.malcolmg said:
I found it very entertaining , he is a chancer of the first order but he put on a show.Noo said:
I'm really glad other people are saying this. Cox's statement today made my blood run cold.Gallowgate said:
I am scared about where we are going I really am.AlastairMeeks said:
Amidst the bullshit was however a little gem. He would not have put his name to a proroguation request that went beyond the end of October. That was a clear acknowledgement that his view was that proroguation was justiciable.
His view therefore differed from the judgement of the SC only in respect of timing and length of proroguation.0 -
Then the process should have include a second stage to ratify the terms of Brexit once they became known, something I believe that JRM once advocated. As it is we have been sold a pig in a poke.Andrew said:
A binding referendum only works for something that's ready to be implemented immediately, so couldn't be done for the EU ref.kle4 said:
You can make it binding I believe - the authorising Act just has to say something like 'the result will be enacted'. If memory serves the AV referendum bill did, and the EU one did not. Conspiracists would suggest intentionally, but more likely just failure to spot by the Commons.0 -
I think that "booming economy" is a bit of a stretch. GDP shrank by 0.2% in Q2.Mortimer said:
Oh catch yourself on, we have a minority government and a restless parliament that large parts of disagree with the manifesto commitments of the two main parties, which followed naturally from a referendum victory.AlastairMeeks said:
The referendum was an inflexion point. Britain is the 21st century Argentina.Gallowgate said:
I am scared about where we are going I really am.AlastairMeeks said:
Meanwhile we have a booming economy.
The inability of so many of those who are not used to losing to come to terms with losing is remarkable.0 -
Does Oliver Letwin count? - he's been a Eurosceptic for as long as I can remember, he supported the May deal, and he's been cutting a pretty good dash in his new role as a thoughtful independent.Byronic said:I confess I am finding it hard to think of ANY Leaver politician who has been reputationally enhanced. Probably because it is their project and the onus is on them and, so far, it is failing badly (even tho they would blame much of that on Remainers).
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However if they were prepared to play the long game they'd win out. Why? Because if the EU's deal was voted through Brexit Party style leavers would cry betrayal and head back to Farage. Then after several more months the reality of a departure on the EU's terms and years of negotiations to come would hit residual Tory support. Labour should leave the Tories in office but not in power for just long enough for this effect to show through in the polls and then no confidence.nico67 said:Zero chance of any deal going through .
Bozo is so detested by 99% of Labour MPs and the rest of the opposition that they’d rather chew their own leg off than give him what will be perceived as a win.
Bozos continued surrender act comments are clearly designed to goad opposition MPs .
Only problem with this scenario is we would have left and as Boris says most of the opposition don't want any kind of Brexit at all.0 -
I just don't buy that about Yugoslavia. They were ruled by Tito for what 25-30 years. He was a brutal dictator that kept all the tensions between factions at bay under fear of the gun. When he died, within what 10 years, there was civil war.williamglenn said:
Thread:Chris said:
Absolutely.Noo said:
I'm really glad other people are saying this. Cox's statement today made my blood run cold.Gallowgate said:
I am scared about where we are going I really am.AlastairMeeks said:
"It couldn't happen here?" Don't you believe it.
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Completely unforgivable.CatMan said:
https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1176934557586788352?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1176934557586788352&ref_url=https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/sep/25/boris-johnson-flies-to-uk-as-parliament-returns-after-court-ruling-politics-liveCyclefree said:CatMan said:Boris Johnson doesn't give a shit if another MP is murdered. What a guy.
What did he say?
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NO!NickPalmer said:
Does Oliver Letwin count?Byronic said:I confess I am finding it hard to think of ANY Leaver politician who has been reputationally enhanced. Probably because it is their project and the onus is on them and, so far, it is failing badly (even tho they would blame much of that on Remainers).
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Utterly false. I knew and worked with many Yugoslavs before during and after the Balkan Wars. The only way the whole place was held together was by the force of will of one man backed up by a ruthless and efficient secret police. It was always inevitable it would fall apart in violence once Tito was gone and the superpowers no longer feared it igniting a war between them.williamglenn said:
Thread:Chris said:
Absolutely.Noo said:
I'm really glad other people are saying this. Cox's statement today made my blood run cold.Gallowgate said:
I am scared about where we are going I really am.AlastairMeeks said:
"It couldn't happen here?" Don't you believe it.
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Thank you. Jesus: what an utter twat.CatMan said:
https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1176934557586788352?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1176934557586788352&ref_url=https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/sep/25/boris-johnson-flies-to-uk-as-parliament-returns-after-court-ruling-politics-liveCyclefree said:CatMan said:Boris Johnson doesn't give a shit if another MP is murdered. What a guy.
What did he say?0 -
What if the queen is our TitoRichard_Tyndall said:
Utterly false. I knew and worked with many Yugoslavs before during and after the Balkan Wars. The only way the whole place was held together was by the force of will of one man backed up by a ruthless and efficient secret police. It was always inevitable it would fall apart in violence once Tito was gone and the superpowers no longer feared it igniting a war between them.williamglenn said:
Thread:Chris said:
Absolutely.Noo said:
I'm really glad other people are saying this. Cox's statement today made my blood run cold.Gallowgate said:
I am scared about where we are going I really am.AlastairMeeks said:
"It couldn't happen here?" Don't you believe it.
https://twitter.com/ivanka/status/1090519840903884800?s=21
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Its rather Trumpian. He knows he will get the outrage response and will also get the Surrender Act tag circulated.nico67 said:
Completely unforgivable.CatMan said:
https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1176934557586788352?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1176934557586788352&ref_url=https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/sep/25/boris-johnson-flies-to-uk-as-parliament-returns-after-court-ruling-politics-liveCyclefree said:CatMan said:Boris Johnson doesn't give a shit if another MP is murdered. What a guy.
What did he say?1 -
A vignette that stayed with me was of a wide boy going through the checkout with an carton of sugar bags, looking to the middle distance in a vain attempt to escape notice.eek said:
You haven't been stockpiling have you.Toms said:Just to consider the basics for a moment, during the miners' strike people were hoarding sugar, toilet rolls, and then salt.
We are connected to Europe through the EU in thousands of ways. How would we cope with a clean break, or for that matter any form of brexit ?0 -
I think King Charles would rapidly and effectively unite the country if he succeeded.Noo said:
What if the queen is our TitoRichard_Tyndall said:
Utterly false. I knew and worked with many Yugoslavs before during and after the Balkan Wars. The only way the whole place was held together was by the force of will of one man backed up by a ruthless and efficient secret police. It was always inevitable it would fall apart in violence once Tito was gone and the superpowers no longer feared it igniting a war between them.williamglenn said:
Thread:Chris said:
Absolutely.Noo said:
I'm really glad other people are saying this. Cox's statement today made my blood run cold.Gallowgate said:
I am scared about where we are going I really am.AlastairMeeks said:
"It couldn't happen here?" Don't you believe it.
https://twitter.com/ivanka/status/1090519840903884800?s=21
Against him.0 -
Here's a question.
Is this Hulky Boris a deliberate act- is culture war the next stage of the masterplan?
Or is it just that he's too jetlagged and cross to do the affable thing?0 -
Nigel Farage. (Not a popular answer I'm sure, but I think he's benefited.)kle4 said:
Liam Fox? The only man moderated by the Brexit process.Byronic said:
Try and think of someone on the Leave side. It’s more interesting that way.Gallowgate said:
Rory StewartByronic said:I’m extending my test. Can any PB-er think of any figure, from politics, whose reputation has been enhanced by the Brexit process?
Try not to be too partisan. It’s boring. If you can’t find anyone in politics you are allowed to trawl the worlds of journalism, law and academe.
Joanna Cherry
I'd agree with 'Rory Stewart'.
Along the sidelines there are some principle type people - 'Kate Hoey', but then I simply hate the total-blind-dogma 'Anna Soubry'.
'David Lammy' has been a gainer.
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Where Boris Johnson and Dominic Cummings are concerned, I think we should always consider stupidity likelier than strategy.Stuartinromford said:Here's a question.
Is this Hulky Boris a deliberate act- is culture war the next stage of the masterplan?
Or is it just that he's too jetlagged and cross to do the affable thing?0 -
He went there. He actually went there.
Boris Johnson: “The best way to honour the memory of Jo Cox and indeed the best way to bring this country together would be, I think, to get Brexit done.”0 -
I read (and reviewed) Bad Boys Of Brexit. He has a walk-on part. I was not impressed. If you combine that with his conviction that only Britain can make aircraft wings and an inconclusive election in Germany was the biggest post-war constitutional crisis for that country, then he hadn't burnished his reputation, no.Byronic said:
You excuse all wanky Remainer behavior. But condemn the same from all Leavers. It renders your opinion absurd and otiose, as you are so obviously biased.Cyclefree said:
The Establishment - whoever that is - are seeking to avoid a disorderly withdrawal from the EU. That incidentally is in line with the manifesto on which the government was elected. There are those who would prefer to remain in the EU and they are entitled to think that and campaign for it and vote for it and take the consequences at the next election. Losing a vote does not mean that you are no longer entitled to say what you think and act on it.Byronic said:
You realize all of the above applies, with some fierce poignancy, to the Establishment which now seeks to subvert the democratic brexit vote. Right?
MPs want a different deal. They are being obstructed from that because the current government has no negotiating strategy and has prioritised a date over getting a deal. It has also done absolutely nothing about trying to get any sort of consensus about what such a deal might look like. It is now stuck. It doesn't like this. The fact that this is in large part a result of its own idiotic actions seems to have passed it by. And in consequence it is lashing out at anyone and everyone instead of growing up and taking responsibility.
The truth is we have been failed by our entire political class (and beyond), from left to right, from leave to stay.
It’s difficult to think of one figure who has come out of this calamity with his/her reputation enhanced. But I’m going to have a go. There must be one. Must be. Surely.
I’m thinking now.
Still thinking.
Christ.
Um...
Andrew Neil?
So if not him, then who?
Ok, for the Leavers: Isabel Oakshott, Matthew Elliot, arguably Dominic Cummings, Aaron Banks, Liam Fox, Arlene Foster.
For the leave-with-a-deal: Rory Stewart, William Hague
For the Remainers: Dominic Grieve
I realise that many on here may not like the above nor what they have done, but I submit they have during the crisis demonstrated a skillset that has enhanced their reputations.0 -
Anti
Quite. Anyone with a vague sense of historical appreciation can see the huge structural differences between the situations.Richard_Tyndall said:
Utterly false. I knew and worked with many Yugoslavs before during and after the Balkan Wars. The only way the whole place was held together was by the force of will of one man backed up by a ruthless and efficient secret police. It was always inevitable it would fall apart in violence once Tito was gone and the superpowers no longer feared it igniting a war between them.williamglenn said:
Thread:Chris said:
Absolutely.Noo said:
I'm really glad other people are saying this. Cox's statement today made my blood run cold.Gallowgate said:
I am scared about where we are going I really am.AlastairMeeks said:
"It couldn't happen here?" Don't you believe it.
https://twitter.com/ivanka/status/1090519840903884800?s=21
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I've seen no debate going on, just mud slinging.Andy_JS said:"Boris Johnson has paved the way for an acrimonious “people versus parliament” general election with a defiant defence of his Brexit strategy, in which he refused to take any blame for his historic defeat in the Supreme Court.
On a day of ferocious debate in the House of Commons, which was recalled after Britain’s highest court overturned the prime minister’s attempt to suspend it for five weeks, he claimed MPs were trying to “sabotage” Brexit."
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I think bullishness is the only option he has, as it disguises that he is powerless and at the whim of others, both in the EU and in parliament.Stuartinromford said:Here's a question.
Is this Hulky Boris a deliberate act- is culture war the next stage of the masterplan?
Or is it just that he's too jetlagged and cross to do the affable thing?1 -
Its like day one of those unlimited time cricket tests they use to play.kle4 said:
I've seen no debate going on, just mud slinging.Andy_JS said:"Boris Johnson has paved the way for an acrimonious “people versus parliament” general election with a defiant defence of his Brexit strategy, in which he refused to take any blame for his historic defeat in the Supreme Court.
On a day of ferocious debate in the House of Commons, which was recalled after Britain’s highest court overturned the prime minister’s attempt to suspend it for five weeks, he claimed MPs were trying to “sabotage” Brexit."
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It's indicative of where the Conservative Party is now that former loons are now seen (on PB) as being sensible. What do they have in common? They were all on the inside and evidently realised, through interaction with experts I have no doubt, the insanity of leaving without a deal.
Boris and the current lot will get there I also have no doubt but of course may easily believe they have gone too far to row back.
For the sake of their egos they may well continue to try to fuck the country.0 -
What was the growth rate in the last quarter? The last year? Since the referendum?Mortimer said:
More employed than ever before (as a percentage).AlastairMeeks said:
Booming economy? You’re quite unhinged.Mortimer said:
Oh catch yourself on, we have a minority government and a restless parliament that large parts of disagree with the manifesto commitments of the two main parties, which followed naturally from a referendum victory.AlastairMeeks said:
The referendum was an inflexion point. Britain is the 21st century Argentina.Gallowgate said:
I am scared about where we are going I really am.AlastairMeeks said:
Meanwhile we have a booming economy.
The inability of so many of those who are not used to losing to come to terms with losing is remarkable.
Low inflation.
Rising wages.
How many years since a recession? 10 years?0 -
AM doesn't do contrary opinionsMortimer said:
More employed than ever before (as a percentage).AlastairMeeks said:
Booming economy? You’re quite unhinged.Mortimer said:
Oh catch yourself on, we have a minority government and a restless parliament that large parts of disagree with the manifesto commitments of the two main parties, which followed naturally from a referendum victory.AlastairMeeks said:
The referendum was an inflexion point. Britain is the 21st century Argentina.Gallowgate said:
I am scared about where we are going I really am.AlastairMeeks said:
Meanwhile we have a booming economy.
The inability of so many of those who are not used to losing to come to terms with losing is remarkable.
Low inflation.
Rising wages.
How many years since a recession? 10 years?0 -
Indeed. You can see why the SC thought we had not had enough of this already, can't you?kle4 said:
I've seen no debate going on, just mud slinging.Andy_JS said:"Boris Johnson has paved the way for an acrimonious “people versus parliament” general election with a defiant defence of his Brexit strategy, in which he refused to take any blame for his historic defeat in the Supreme Court.
On a day of ferocious debate in the House of Commons, which was recalled after Britain’s highest court overturned the prime minister’s attempt to suspend it for five weeks, he claimed MPs were trying to “sabotage” Brexit."
https://www.ft.com/content/5cd109c6-df82-11e9-9743-db5a370481bc0 -
Nigel Dodds contribution should definitely be widely circulated.nichomar said:This is a disaster the PM could have been somewhat contrite and attempted to reach out but he really is going for the HY war footing look. It is a disgrace, he is a disgrace, he hasn’t answered a single honest question with fact. It should be enforced viewing for people with the right to vote.
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Don't beat yourself up, it was the mother of all temptations to say it.ydoethur said:
I feel she still has womb for improvement.Byronic said:
Yes! Good spot. She has. Weirdly,AlastairMeeks said:
From a low base, Andrea Leadsom.Byronic said:I confess I am finding it hard to think of ANY Leaver politician who has been reputationally enhanced. Probably because it is their project and the onus is on them and, so far, it is failing badly (even tho they would blame much of that on Remainers).
There must be ONE.
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It's parliament's time to waste as they choose.DavidL said:
Indeed. You can see why the SC thought we had not had enough of this already, can't you?kle4 said:
I've seen no debate going on, just mud slinging.Andy_JS said:"Boris Johnson has paved the way for an acrimonious “people versus parliament” general election with a defiant defence of his Brexit strategy, in which he refused to take any blame for his historic defeat in the Supreme Court.
On a day of ferocious debate in the House of Commons, which was recalled after Britain’s highest court overturned the prime minister’s attempt to suspend it for five weeks, he claimed MPs were trying to “sabotage” Brexit."
https://www.ft.com/content/5cd109c6-df82-11e9-9743-db5a370481bc0 -
Anyone watching "The Capture"?TGOHF2 said:
She was starting from a very very low base.Noo said:
Joanna CherryByronic said:I’m extending my test. Can any PB-er think of any figure, from politics, whose reputation has been enhanced by the Brexit process?
Try not to be too partisan. It’s boring. If you can’t find anyone in politics you are allowed to trawl the worlds of journalism, law and academe.
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I do facts. I realise that they are unpopular among the death cult but a booming economy requires an economy to be growing rapidly. Right now, Britain’s is being strangled by Brexit.ReggieCide said:
AM doesn't do contrary opinionsMortimer said:
More employed than ever before (as a percentage).AlastairMeeks said:
Booming economy? You’re quite unhinged.Mortimer said:
Oh catch yourself on, we have a minority government and a restless parliament that large parts of disagree with the manifesto commitments of the two main parties, which followed naturally from a referendum victory.AlastairMeeks said:
The referendum was an inflexion point. Britain is the 21st century Argentina.Gallowgate said:
I am scared about where we are going I really am.AlastairMeeks said:
Meanwhile we have a booming economy.
The inability of so many of those who are not used to losing to come to terms with losing is remarkable.
Low inflation.
Rising wages.
How many years since a recession? 10 years?0 -
Could be she's a Serb?FrancisUrquhart said:
I just don't buy that about Yugoslavia. They were ruled by Tito for what 25-30 years. He was a brutal dictator that kept all the tensions between factions at bay under fear of the gun. When he died, within what 10 years, there was civil war.williamglenn said:
Thread:Chris said:
Absolutely.Noo said:
I'm really glad other people are saying this. Cox's statement today made my blood run cold.Gallowgate said:
I am scared about where we are going I really am.AlastairMeeks said:
"It couldn't happen here?" Don't you believe it.
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The answer strikes me as obvious - Ken Clarke and Rory Stewart. They've managed the normally impossible task of being consistent, sticking to their principles and showing a willingness to compromise.Byronic said:I’m extending my test. Can any PB-er think of any figure, from politics, whose reputation has been enhanced by the Brexit process?
Try not to be too partisan. It’s boring. If you can’t find anyone in politics you are allowed to trawl the worlds of journalism, law and academe.0 -
Good to see how serious tories are about democracy they have all pissed off0
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Sorry to humble-brag to all you wealthy, successful PBers, but I've been unemployed for over a year now. Any questions?Mortimer said:
More employed than ever before (as a percentage).AlastairMeeks said:
Booming economy? You’re quite unhinged.Mortimer said:
Oh catch yourself on, we have a minority government and a restless parliament that large parts of disagree with the manifesto commitments of the two main parties, which followed naturally from a referendum victory.AlastairMeeks said:
The referendum was an inflexion point. Britain is the 21st century Argentina.Gallowgate said:
I am scared about where we are going I really am.AlastairMeeks said:
Meanwhile we have a booming economy.
The inability of so many of those who are not used to losing to come to terms with losing is remarkable.0 -
Apparently so. We are so fortunate.kle4 said:
It's parliament's time to waste as they choose.DavidL said:
Indeed. You can see why the SC thought we had not had enough of this already, can't you?kle4 said:
I've seen no debate going on, just mud slinging.Andy_JS said:"Boris Johnson has paved the way for an acrimonious “people versus parliament” general election with a defiant defence of his Brexit strategy, in which he refused to take any blame for his historic defeat in the Supreme Court.
On a day of ferocious debate in the House of Commons, which was recalled after Britain’s highest court overturned the prime minister’s attempt to suspend it for five weeks, he claimed MPs were trying to “sabotage” Brexit."
https://www.ft.com/content/5cd109c6-df82-11e9-9743-db5a370481bc0 -
Doubtful. We've been reminded what a total hypocrite he is.ydoethur said:
Not sure his reputation had been enhanced - just not damaged.williamglenn said:
Ken Clarke.Byronic said:I’m extending my test. Can any PB-er think of any figure, from politics, whose reputation has been enhanced by the Brexit process?
Try not to be too partisan. It’s boring. If you can’t find anyone in politics you are allowed to trawl the worlds of journalism, law and academe.
John Major might be a better answer.0 -
Seeing as you’ve ignored my evidence of a booming real economy - jobs, ability to buy stuff, and distance since economic dislocation - I’m not going to recite the headline figures (which are nevertheless up in the medium term, and short term (an unwinding blip for the last quarter aside), despite us being more than due a more obvious correction.AlastairMeeks said:
What was the growth rate in the last quarter? The last year? Since the referendum?Mortimer said:
More employed than ever before (as a percentage).AlastairMeeks said:
Booming economy? You’re quite unhinged.Mortimer said:
Oh catch yourself on, we have a minority government and a restless parliament that large parts of disagree with the manifesto commitments of the two main parties, which followed naturally from a referendum victory.AlastairMeeks said:
The referendum was an inflexion point. Britain is the 21st century Argentina.Gallowgate said:
I am scared about where we are going I really am.AlastairMeeks said:
Meanwhile we have a booming economy.
The inability of so many of those who are not used to losing to come to terms with losing is remarkable.
Low inflation.
Rising wages.
How many years since a recession? 10 years?0 -
I have no idea, but anybody trying to tell the world there was no long standing major problems in Yugoslavia in the previous 50 years leading up to the war is talking the sort of boulder-dash and piffle Boris usually comes out with.ReggieCide said:
Could be she's a Serb?FrancisUrquhart said:
I just don't buy that about Yugoslavia. They were ruled by Tito for what 25-30 years. He was a brutal dictator that kept all the tensions between factions at bay under fear of the gun. When he died, within what 10 years, there was civil war.williamglenn said:
Thread:Chris said:
Absolutely.Noo said:
I'm really glad other people are saying this. Cox's statement today made my blood run cold.Gallowgate said:
I am scared about where we are going I really am.AlastairMeeks said:
"It couldn't happen here?" Don't you believe it.
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It's equally problematic to argue with hindsight that war was inevitable.FrancisUrquhart said:
I have no idea, but anybody trying to tell the world there was no long standing major problems in Yugoslavia in the previous 50 years leading up to the war is talking the sort of boulder-dash and piffle Boris usually comes out with.ReggieCide said:
Could be she's a Serb?FrancisUrquhart said:
I just don't buy that about Yugoslavia. They were ruled by Tito for what 25-30 years. He was a brutal dictator that kept all the tensions between factions at bay under fear of the gun. When he died, within what 10 years, there was civil war.williamglenn said:
Thread:Chris said:
Absolutely.Noo said:
I'm really glad other people are saying this. Cox's statement today made my blood run cold.Gallowgate said:
I am scared about where we are going I really am.AlastairMeeks said:
"It couldn't happen here?" Don't you believe it.
https://twitter.com/ivanka/status/1090519840903884800?s=210 -
Barnier has so far failed to secure a deal, something I believe A50 requires the EU to do.Richard_Tyndall said:
For all that I dislike her politics intensely and am on the polar opposite from her as far as Brexit is concerned, I would suggest Nicola Sturgeon.Byronic said:I’m extending my test. Can any PB-er think of any figure, from politics, whose reputation has been enhanced by the Brexit process?
Try not to be too partisan. It’s boring. If you can’t find anyone in politics you are allowed to trawl the worlds of journalism, law and academe.
She has been clear that her first and only priority is the people of Scotland. She has represented their views and has been consistent in her opposition to Brexit. The SNP stood by its principles and did not vote for Article 50 and even though she is not in Parliament her influence and control over her party including the Westminster MPs has been very impressive.
I just wish she was on my side of the argument.
Oh and Michel Barnier.1 -
I don't agree with what he's done, or the way that he's gone about it, but Steve Baker has been a lot more effective than all the other extremist mad hatter Leavers, particularly the old duffers like David Davis and Bill Cash.Byronic said:
Try and think of someone on the Leave side. It’s more interesting that way.Gallowgate said:
Rory StewartByronic said:I’m extending my test. Can any PB-er think of any figure, from politics, whose reputation has been enhanced by the Brexit process?
Try not to be too partisan. It’s boring. If you can’t find anyone in politics you are allowed to trawl the worlds of journalism, law and academe.
Joanna Cherry0 -
Ironic statement aside, of course we are not, and that's very frustrating. But it is their responsibilty to resolve, or not, and we will judge them accordingly.DavidL said:
Apparently so. We are so fortunate.kle4 said:
It's parliament's time to waste as they choose.DavidL said:
Indeed. You can see why the SC thought we had not had enough of this already, can't you?kle4 said:
I've seen no debate going on, just mud slinging.Andy_JS said:"Boris Johnson has paved the way for an acrimonious “people versus parliament” general election with a defiant defence of his Brexit strategy, in which he refused to take any blame for his historic defeat in the Supreme Court.
On a day of ferocious debate in the House of Commons, which was recalled after Britain’s highest court overturned the prime minister’s attempt to suspend it for five weeks, he claimed MPs were trying to “sabotage” Brexit."
https://www.ft.com/content/5cd109c6-df82-11e9-9743-db5a370481bc0 -
A booming economy requires rapid growth. Britain’s growth for the last three years has been anaemic. So you’re talking your usual hogwash.Mortimer said:
Seeing as you’ve ignored my evidence of a booming real economy - jobs, ability to buy stuff, and distance since economic dislocation - I’m not going to recite the headline figures (which are nevertheless up in the medium term, and short term (an unwinding blip for the last quarter aside), despite us being more than due a more obvious correction.AlastairMeeks said:
What was the growth rate in the last quarter? The last year? Since the referendum?Mortimer said:
More employed than ever before (as a percentage).AlastairMeeks said:
Booming economy? You’re quite unhinged.Mortimer said:
Oh catch yourself on, we have a minority government and a restless parliament that large parts of disagree with the manifesto commitments of the two main parties, which followed naturally from a referendum victory.AlastairMeeks said:
The referendum was an inflexion point. Britain is the 21st century Argentina.Gallowgate said:
I am scared about where we are going I really am.AlastairMeeks said:
Meanwhile we have a booming economy.
The inability of so many of those who are not used to losing to come to terms with losing is remarkable.
Low inflation.
Rising wages.
How many years since a recession? 10 years?0 -
God, you're death culting again - you really should get helpAlastairMeeks said:
I do facts. I realise that they are unpopular among the death cult but a booming economy requires an economy to be growing rapidly. Right now, Britain’s is being strangled by Brexit.ReggieCide said:
AM doesn't do contrary opinionsMortimer said:
More employed than ever before (as a percentage).AlastairMeeks said:
Booming economy? You’re quite unhinged.Mortimer said:
Oh catch yourself on, we have a minority government and a restless parliament that large parts of disagree with the manifesto commitments of the two main parties, which followed naturally from a referendum victory.AlastairMeeks said:
The referendum was an inflexion point. Britain is the 21st century Argentina.Gallowgate said:
I am scared about where we are going I really am.AlastairMeeks said:
Meanwhile we have a booming economy.
The inability of so many of those who are not used to losing to come to terms with losing is remarkable.
Low inflation.
Rising wages.
How many years since a recession? 10 years?0
