This may be a minority view on here but I think in a GE campaign Corbyn would run rings round Johnson. Tonite's exhibition rather confirmed that belief.
How long can Corbyn credibly resist the offer of a cleansing election? Not long. Mere days, I suggest.
As long as A50 is extended or revoked first, bring it on.
Bozo, Cummings and Lord Snooty have managed to make Jezza look like a statesman. Tough job, well done!
They have actually made Jezza look far from the voice of the people a la 2017 but now the voice of the establishment defying the will of the people. He will never recover from tonight in Leave areas in the North and Midlands
Quite.
Corbyn has no chance of getting close to a majority now. Odds on a Con maj have shortened over the last 24 hours.
I think we could be looking at a Lab wipeout. Losing seats in the NW and Midlands to the Cons, and in the scotland , the south, university towns and the west to the LDs.
How many seats do you think the Tories will lose to the LDs?
Can we please have an election so that we have resolution one way or another.
A GE atm would see us right back to where we started ie stalemate.
As a result of tonights vote there are now only two possible outcomes, a GE or revoke. Any chance of any sort of negotiated deal is now dead.
Maybe. But who wouldn't jump at another go at the WA?
I would but they won't. Corbyn wants his election and the Remainers want revocation. Neither group will now support the WA.
Yes. Remainers, understandably, have their dander up. They won’t stop, now, til Brexit is killed off. And they will likely succeed.
But it can't be killed off. The right wing of the country is absolutely committed to it. This only ends up with either the Tories committing to leaving the EU regardless in every manifesto until they win a majority, or the Brexit Party replacing them to do the same. They are not going to accept a referendum voting the other way as legitimate.
This is excellent tactics by Boris, tonight in prime time on BBC1 and ITV and the news channels all the coverage was of Boris promising to deliver Brexit Deal or No Deal and of Corbyn committing to try and ban No Deal Brexit and extend again, costing him potentially millions of Labour Leave voters in the process whether to the Tories or the Brexit Party
If that is true, and I’m not saying it isn’t, is it important to now secure that election soonest to cash in on the moment? How long does such a moment last until it’s replaced by another moment, such as the moment Boris will find himself in next month if there isn’t a GE?
Boris will propose an election tomorrow, he is no coward, Corbyn may well be though
How long can Corbyn credibly resist the offer of a cleansing election? Not long. Mere days, I suggest.
As long as A50 is extended or revoked first, bring it on.
Bozo, Cummings and Lord Snooty have managed to make Jezza look like a statesman. Tough job, well done!
They have actually made Jezza look far from the voice of the people a la 2017 but now the voice of the establishment defying the will of the people. He will never recover from tonight in Leave areas in the North and Midlands
Quite.
Corbyn has no chance of getting close to a majority now. Odds on a Con maj have shortened over the last 24 hours.
I think we could be looking at a Lab wipeout. Losing seats in the NW and Midlands to the Cons, and in the scotland , the south, university towns and the west to the LDs.
How many seats do you think the Tories will lose to the LDs?
How long can Corbyn credibly resist the offer of a cleansing election? Not long. Mere days, I suggest.
As long as A50 is extended or revoked first, bring it on.
Bozo, Cummings and Lord Snooty have managed to make Jezza look like a statesman. Tough job, well done!
They have actually made Jezza look far from the voice of the people a la 2017 but now the voice of the establishment defying the will of the people. He will never recover from tonight in Leave areas in the North and Midlands
Quite.
Corbyn has no chance of getting close to a majority now. Odds on a Con maj have shortened over the last 24 hours.
I think we could be looking at a Lab wipeout. Losing seats in the NW and Midlands to the Cons, and in the scotland , the south, university towns and the west to the LDs.
Have the odds shortened?
Pretty sure I've seen you post that repeatedly over the last week and every time I'm pretty sure its been 5/4.
This is excellent tactics by Boris, tonight in prime time on BBC1 and ITV and the news channels all the coverage was of Boris promising to deliver Brexit Deal or No Deal and of Corbyn committing to try and ban No Deal Brexit and extend again, costing him potentially millions of Labour Leave voters in the process whether to the Tories or the Brexit Party
If that is true, and I’m not saying it isn’t, is it important to now secure that election soonest to cash in on the moment? How long does such a moment last until it’s replaced by another moment, such as the moment Boris will find himself in next month if there isn’t a GE?
Boris will propose an election tomorrow, he is no coward, Corbyn may well be though
I've been having fun all day. I just got back in. It appears something has happened of great import. I would ask you to describe it but I suspect by the time you finished writing it will have changed again. I shall just assume its a massive clusterfuck and go on from there...
I think either he will accept the bill in return for GE Oct 15 or if consent is required threaten no consent without GE, against Corbyns No GE without bill
High speed rail now connects Hubris and Nemesis in record time. A Grayling success story.
On this point, tonight's Parliamentary dramas have buried the news that HS2 will take until 2038 and cost as much as the country has spent on roads in the last decade.
4% of a year's GDP to get from Birmingham to Euston reentry minutes quicker.
How long can Corbyn credibly resist the offer of a cleansing election? Not long. Mere days, I suggest.
As long as A50 is extended or revoked first, bring it on.
Bozo, Cummings and Lord Snooty have managed to make Jezza look like a statesman. Tough job, well done!
They have actually made Jezza look far from the voice of the people a la 2017 but now the voice of the establishment defying the will of the people. He will never recover from tonight in Leave areas in the North and Midlands
Quite.
Corbyn has no chance of getting close to a majority now. Odds on a Con maj have shortened over the last 24 hours.
I think we could be looking at a Lab wipeout. Losing seats in the NW and Midlands to the Cons, and in the scotland , the south, university towns and the west to the LDs.
His polling has gone up significantly over the last week. It will go up further in an election. Remainers are a forgiving bunch.
So not close after all. Maybe 12 Tories voting against the government? But we have a resolution under the FTPA which the opposition are not going to vote for. This farce stopped being funny longer ago than Monty Python.
Edit 21. Blimey. Completely ungovernable.
If only anyone had had any thoughts on June 2016 that this might happen.
Back then we thought we’d avoided chaos with Ed Milliband
This is excellent tactics by Boris, tonight in prime time on BBC1 and ITV and the news channels all the coverage was of Boris promising to deliver Brexit Deal or No Deal and of Corbyn committing to try and ban No Deal Brexit and extend again, costing him potentially millions of Labour Leave voters in the process whether to the Tories or the Brexit Party
If that is true, and I’m not saying it isn’t, is it important to now secure that election soonest to cash in on the moment? How long does such a moment last until it’s replaced by another moment, such as the moment Boris will find himself in next month if there isn’t a GE?
Boris will propose an election tomorrow, he is no coward, Corbyn may well be though
Whether Boris is a coward or not he is a lying piece of shit which will inform people's actions tomorrow.
This may be a minority view on here but I think in a GE campaign Corbyn would run rings round Johnson. Tonite's exhibition rather confirmed that belief.
Too soon to tell. Certainly today has been baaaaaad for Boris. But he can argue his wicket was stickier than a sticky bun stuck to a stick insect etc
Nonetheless this is, finally, a true test for Boris. He wanted to be PM. Even at this terrible time. He believes he can carry it off.
Corbyn the Marxist now on the side of Parliament's establishment against the people...
What would Tony Bean have said about that...
The Marxist meme has always been slightly off-target for Corbyn. He's had decades of opportunity to peel off from parliamentary politics and join a fringe party, but he's doggedly stuck to his line - socialism via parliamentary democracy. It's always seemed quixotic - now...maybe less so.
This is excellent tactics by Boris, tonight in prime time on BBC1 and ITV and the news channels all the coverage was of Boris promising to deliver Brexit Deal or No Deal and of Corbyn committing to try and ban No Deal Brexit and extend again, costing him potentially millions of Labour Leave voters in the process whether to the Tories or the Brexit Party
If that is true, and I’m not saying it isn’t, is it important to now secure that election soonest to cash in on the moment? How long does such a moment last until it’s replaced by another moment, such as the moment Boris will find himself in next month if there isn’t a GE?
Boris will propose an election tomorrow, he is no coward, Corbyn may well be though
If he was a man of honour he would resign after losing a vote of confidence as past PMs have done.
I think either he will accept the bill in return for GE Oct 15 or if consent is required threaten no consent without GE, against Corbyns No GE without bill
Doesn't our whole constitution depend on the monarch always assenting to bills passed by Parliament?
Given the protests already seen over prorogation what will we see if assent is withheld?
The public don't want an election. Why would Corbyn be punished by them for not forcing one on us? It's very easy to justify by saying that the PMs Rasputin advisor can't be trusted not to sneak a no deal brexit on us. Once we deal with that, sure let's have an election. This idea that he is 'frit' won't hold up, its just something Boris acolytes will say to try and shift the narrative.
I think Boris is getting a sharp lesson tonight in not having it all his own way.
His disdain for people whose votes he needs has resulted in a worse-than-inevitable defeat in the HoC, which may be a useful take-out for him ahead of a general election campaign. He’ll probably have most of the (sizeable) Farage crowd eating from his hand, but a lot of moderate, business-minded people will not feel obliged to meet him halfway.
Meanwhile, the HoC looks like treating him in much the way a cat does a captive mouse. Not willing to kill him off because it gets more utility from a still-wriggling near-corpse.
Again this must have been entirely expected from the moment he started talking about "do or die" on 31st October. Sooner or later it was going to come to the crunch when this Parliament would vote to take no deal of the table.
If he'd wanted to compromise he could have done. This is entirely what was expected to happen and its now Parliament Vs The Poeple and Parliament has written his script for him.
No, I think Boris and Cummings have been outplayed. Remember, they initially boasted they could game the VONC by using the FTPA to schedule the general election after the Brexit date. But the MPs chose another route to prevent No Deal. Cummings was just hopelessly out of his depth amid the intricacies of parliamentary procedure - it was like asking a Dungeons and Dragons enthusiast to write a thesis on palaeontology.
Can we please have an election so that we have resolution one way or another.
A GE atm would see us right back to where we started ie stalemate.
Most likely not. The parties this time around would be elected under such terms that one has to consider it likely that a majority either to prosecute Brexit or to wriggle out of it would emerge.
Jezza still gets to befuddle. Vote for us for a Labour deal.
If there's a Labour majority then we'll all have more important things to worry about than Brexit! In any event, you can imagine their endgame being a second referendum under loaded terms (Labour's very much like May's deal versus Remain,) and if Labour's well short of a majority - which seems far more likely - then they'll have to rely on the SNP and/or Lib Dems and an unpicking of Brexit, one way or another, is guaranteed.
I've been having fun all day. I just got back in. It appears something has happened of great import. I would ask you to describe it but I suspect by the time you finished writing it will have changed again. I shall just assume its a massive clusterfuck and go on from there...
That pretty much covers it. Our political class strikes again.
Andrea Leadsom to believe that Pathetic Bunter has folded on removing the whip from the Tory rebellion.
Absolutely first class bottling by Bottler Billy Bunter, Mug Punter.
He hasnt folded.
It is tactics. Do you really not understand that?!
I usually deprecate foul language, but I am pretty certain I speak for the vast majority of the PB community in inviting you to fuck off.
Permanently.
Nah, Basicbridge can be irritating for those like me not of his viewpoint, but he's not broken the site rules and we need some hard Brexiteers here to maintain the range of opinion. Yes, I know we've got Byronic, but he's a bit of a moveable feast - which makes him fun to read but not really a champion of True Brexit.
So not close after all. Maybe 12 Tories voting against the government? But we have a resolution under the FTPA which the opposition are not going to vote for. This farce stopped being funny longer ago than Monty Python.
Edit 21. Blimey. Completely ungovernable.
If only anyone had had any thoughts on June 2016 that this might happen.
Back then we thought we’d avoided chaos with Ed Milliband
This may be a minority view on here but I think in a GE campaign Corbyn would run rings round Johnson. Tonite's exhibition rather confirmed that belief.
Too soon to tell. Certainly today has been baaaaaad for Boris. But he can argue his wicket was stickier than a sticky bun stuck to a stick insect etc
Nonetheless this is, finally, a true test for Boris. He wanted to be PM. Even at this terrible time. He believes he can carry it off.
Cometh the hour...
Boris will do nothing until we have had a few days of Jezza saying he’s frit.
Don’t interrupt magic grandpa when he’s digging his grave.
This may be a minority view on here but I think in a GE campaign Corbyn would run rings round Johnson. Tonite's exhibition rather confirmed that belief.
Andrea Leadsom to believe that Pathetic Bunter has folded on removing the whip from the Tory rebellion.
Absolutely first class bottling by Bottler Billy Bunter, Mug Punter.
He hasnt folded.
It is tactics. Do you really not understand that?!
I usually deprecate foul language, but I am pretty certain I speak for the vast majority of the PB community in inviting you to fuck off.
Permanently.
Nah, Basicbridge can be irritating for those like me not of his viewpoint, but he's not broken the site rules and we need some hard Brexiteers here to maintain the range of opinion. Yes, I know we've got Byronic, but he's a bit of a moveable feast - which makes him fun to read but not really a champion of True Brexit.
This may be a minority view on here but I think in a GE campaign Corbyn would run rings round Johnson. Tonite's exhibition rather confirmed that belief.
Too soon to tell. Certainly today has been baaaaaad for Boris. But he can argue his wicket was stickier than a sticky bun stuck to a stick insect etc
Nonetheless this is, finally, a true test for Boris. He wanted to be PM. Even at this terrible time. He believes he can carry it off.
Cometh the hour...
Boris might argue that his wicket has been sticky but that's mainly because he pissed all over it himself.
I think either he will accept the bill in return for GE Oct 15 or if consent is required threaten no consent without GE, against Corbyns No GE without bill
Doesn't our whole constitution depend on the monarch always assenting to bills passed by Parliament?
Given the protests already seen over prorogation what will we see if assent is withheld?
Not assent, consent. If a bill affects the royal prerogative it requires royal consent to reach the end of the parliamentary process which must be proposed by a minister. Assent is rubber stamping something that's passed all 3 readings etc
Re JRM. There's no speaker for him to listen in the corner of the chair. If you look closely at images of the chamber the speakers are the petal type design that occur at regular intervals, but they aren't at the beginning or end of the benches.
How long will the EU decide to put in an extension for? If parliament won't remove Boris, what is the penalty for him playing a wrecking role in the EU?
I'll say one thing for David Cameron - and I don't say much complimentary - his selfishness and idiocy is bringing about the destruction of the Tory party, and for that he deserves a knighthood.
How many times has Jezza called for a GE since June 2017?
Calling for an election is one thing, calling for that is timed to get Cummings / Johnson out of an almighty hole is something else entirely.
Cumming's whole strategy has been to goad parliament into an election that he can try and frame as people v parliament. A vital part of that strategy is to have it over and done with before the sh1t hits the fan on Oct 31st. I don't blame any of the opposition parties for letting him off the hook.
Can we please have an election so that we have resolution one way or another.
A GE atm would see us right back to where we started ie stalemate.
Most likely not. The parties this time around would be elected under such terms that one has to consider it likely that a majority either to prosecute Brexit or to wriggle out of it would emerge.
Jezza still gets to befuddle. Vote for us for a Labour deal.
If there's a Labour majority then we'll all have more important things to worry about than Brexit! In any event, you can imagine their endgame being a second referendum under loaded terms (Labour's very much like May's deal versus Remain,) and if Labour's well short of a majority - which seems far more likely - then they'll have to rely on the SNP and/or Lib Dems and an unpicking of Brexit, one way or another, is guaranteed.
How long can Corbyn credibly resist the offer of a cleansing election? Not long. Mere days, I suggest.
As long as A50 is extended or revoked first, bring it on.
Bozo, Cummings and Lord Snooty have managed to make Jezza look like a statesman. Tough job, well done!
They have actually made Jezza look far from the voice of the people a la 2017 but now the voice of the establishment defying the will of the people. He will never recover from tonight in Leave areas in the North and Midlands
Quite.
Corbyn has no chance of getting close to a majority now. Odds on a Con maj have shortened over the last 24 hours.
I think we could be looking at a Lab wipeout. Losing seats in the NW and Midlands to the Cons, and in the scotland , the south, university towns and the west to the LDs.
His polling has gone up significantly over the last week. It will go up further in an election. Remainers are a forgiving bunch.
This is excellent tactics by Boris, tonight in prime time on BBC1 and ITV and the news channels all the coverage was of Boris promising to deliver Brexit Deal or No Deal and of Corbyn committing to try and ban No Deal Brexit and extend again, costing him potentially millions of Labour Leave voters in the process whether to the Tories or the Brexit Party
If that is true, and I’m not saying it isn’t, is it important to now secure that election soonest to cash in on the moment? How long does such a moment last until it’s replaced by another moment, such as the moment Boris will find himself in next month if there isn’t a GE?
Boris will propose an election tomorrow, he is no coward, Corbyn may well be though
If he was a man of honour he would resign after losing a vote of confidence as past PMs have done.
The correct response to a government losing a VoNC is an election. Just as happened in 1979. Callaghan didn’t resign. He went into that election as PM as was his right.
He's lost his majority and he's lost his vote. What does a PM have to do to get the boot around here?
Apparently he needs to have a Leader of the Opposition wjo is not a coward.
I loathe Corbyn, but why should he make things easier for Boris or harder for his own party? Corbyn can wait until he gets what he wants, that doesn't make him a coward, and if the sides were switched the Tories would do the same.
High speed rail now connects Hubris and Nemesis in record time. A Grayling success story.
On this point, tonight's Parliamentary dramas have buried the news that HS2 will take until 2038 and cost as much as the country has spent on roads in the last decade.
4% of a year's GDP to get from Birmingham to Euston reentry minutes quicker.
Utterly beggars belief that it takes 20 years to build a railway. The French built a longer one to Strasbourg in 7.
"Whip to be removed from rebels Government sources have confirmed to the BBC's Laura Kuenssberg that all 21 Conservative rebels are having the whip removed.
Removing the whip effectively means expelling the MPs from the parliamentary party."
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You and he vehemently disagree on this. He represents the opposite of what you believe in.
So if it fires you up, all the better...
Pretty sure I've seen you post that repeatedly over the last week and every time I'm pretty sure its been 5/4.
Spot on
4% of a year's GDP to get from Birmingham to Euston reentry minutes quicker.
Bit of tactical voting and luvverly jubbly.
Nonetheless this is, finally, a true test for Boris. He wanted to be PM. Even at this terrible time. He believes he can carry it off.
Cometh the hour...
Given the protests already seen over prorogation what will we see if assent is withheld?
Today it is a Horizontal Moggster.
What is Cumstain's Master Strategy for tomorrow? Raab showing his arse in Binn's window?
https://twitter.com/Williamw1/status/1169004688643149824
of MPs standing down.
Corbyn as PM.... dear God in Heaven... but by comparison to the bumbling buffoon we currently have, it may be our only option.
Don’t interrupt magic grandpa when he’s digging his grave.
https://twitter.com/Ginner_B/status/1169005414006120450
Boris might argue that his wicket has been sticky but that's mainly because he pissed all over it himself.
Cumming's whole strategy has been to goad parliament into an election that he can try and frame as people v parliament. A vital part of that strategy is to have it over and done with before the sh1t hits the fan on Oct 31st. I don't blame any of the opposition parties for letting him off the hook.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNWQthgwC7w
Thank god he listened to Blair.
It will not end well in the long term.
Laughable
Interesting bedfellows.
Government sources have confirmed to the BBC's Laura Kuenssberg that all 21 Conservative rebels are having the whip removed.
Removing the whip effectively means expelling the MPs from the parliamentary party."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-politics-49557734
TGOHF’s laughable prediction last night just gets worse and worse and worse.