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  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,177
    I like how Boris is saying these guys will be voting with Jeremy Corbyn despite himself voting with Jeremy Corbyn twice??
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,302
    Wtf was that?
  • Yes I could question that, equally I could question the wisdom of the Speaker tearing up the rules. Neither side is exercising any judgement so we are simply in a political cage fight, The rules are there are no rules,
    The speaker has certainly pushed the boundaries, I do not know enough about the details to know how much justification he had. All this can be avoided though, if the executives go back to arguing and winning their battles in parliament. If they cannot, then they should request a GE.
  • Wtf was that?

    Indeed
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,228
    Well that was a nothing speech. Maybe Johnson really is another May.
  • AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900
    Only important bit of all that: Johnson doubling down, won't ask for an extension under any circumstance.

    Guarantees an election.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,601
    AndyJS said:

    Not calling an election yet.

    Of course not - he doesn't want one *wink*.

    He'll wait to be forced to do it, totally against his will.
  • MauveMauve Posts: 129
    Bottler Boris bottles the battle?
  • Mr. Jessop, perhaps he should retire?

    To be serious (why?), it's an office that really chews up the holders. Look at Blair when he entered in 1997, and when he left in 2007. It looks as though he's aged far more than ten years. The same with Major, and to a lesser extent Cameron.
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917
    edited September 2019
    He's tee'd up calling an election later this week.

    'I really don't want an election, but if MPs tomorrow and Wednesday make my position untenable..'
  • Awful. Possibly his Brown / May "crap, we have been lumbered with a useless PM" moment....
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,932
    A speech from the May podium school of "I've not really said anything helpful here".
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,922
    So the BBC is expecting an election on October 14 - a Monday?
  • JohnOJohnO Posts: 4,307
    Johnson’s comments merely confirm what is blindingly obvious: there will be an election and it will be held in mid October.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,177
    Andrew said:

    Only important bit of all that: Johnson doubling down, won't ask for an extension under any circumstance.

    Guarantees an election.

    Doesn’t. He’ll have to resign.
  • Gabs2Gabs2 Posts: 1,268
    Noo said:

    Taking power from the executive and vesting it in parliament is by no definition treachery.
    It is not treachery but it is a usurpation of power that completely defenestrates the executive. That has major ramifications for the electorate holding people to account. Especially when this is a move that does not correlate with traditional party lines.
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,100
    Weak

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    Weak
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,364

    Doesn’t. He’ll have to resign.
    Will he? Corbyn said earlier that he'd support an election under any circumstances.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,302

    He's tee'd up calling an election later this week.

    'I really don't want an election, but if MPs tomorrow and Wednesday make my position untenable..'

    With what words?
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,538

    He's tee'd up calling an election later this week.

    'I really don't want an election, but if MPs tomorrow and Wednesday make my position untenable..'

    Perhaps. He certainly wasn't talking to us geeks.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,177
    RobD said:

    Will he? Corbyn said earlier that he'd support an election under any circumstances.
    Well he said he won’t request an extension under any circumstance but if the PM is legally compelled to he’ll have to resign.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,364

    With what words?
    That he would never request another extension.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,825
    Gosh the Benn letter has got some reactionaries bow ties swirling! I can feel the breeze from here!

    But the question is - what does the Toxic Clown do?

    Exciting or what.
  • According to Mr Johnson the chances for No Deal were one in a million three weeks ago, and that since then the chances for a deal had notably increased.

    Well, that's a relief.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,364

    Well he said he won’t request an extension under any circumstance but if the PM is legally compelled to he’ll have to resign.
    He'd call an election instead...
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,922
    Gabs2 said:

    It is not treachery but it is a usurpation of power that completely defenestrates the executive.
    Do you know what the word "defenestrates" means? I hope so.
  • ByronicByronic Posts: 3,578
    I can see Brexit very easily ending in civil strife now. Tragic.
  • NooNoo Posts: 2,380


    It is when the bulk of that Parliament is in thrall to Brussels.

    Calm yourself down. Referring to parliamentary democracy as treachery is not a good look. We have free and fair elections, in which you are free to stand, campaign and vote.
    You're angry about something and exaggerating. Calm yourself down.
  • ParistondaParistonda Posts: 1,844
    What a wet fart of a speech that was.
  • tlg86 said:

    Boris is a pound shop Theresa May.

    During the leadership election Tory posters thought Rory Stewart was continuity May and I argued it was Johnson. Events are proving me right, failure to debate, failure to lead, failure to build consensus, if losing the debate throw toys out of pram. Quick polling honeymoon for both, followed by disappointing election result leading to further paralysis.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 79,235
    I think we can almost take it as read that the Govt will lose tomorrow so I assume this speech tees up a GE ?
  • God this is a vacuous speech.

    It was utter waffle. There was more balderdash then you'd get in a landslide.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,789

    The speaker has certainly pushed the boundaries, I do not know enough about the details to know how much justification he had. All this can be avoided though, if the executives go back to arguing and winning their battles in parliament. If they cannot, then they should request a GE.
    Agreed
  • At least lectern use has increased since the referendum. Clearly a growth market.
  • It wasn't even eloquent - he bumbled over "get it done" twice in the last sentence.
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917
    kinabalu said:

    Gosh the Benn letter has got some reactionaries bow ties swirling! I can feel the breeze from here!

    But the question is - what does the Toxic Clown do?

    Exciting or what.

    Philip Hammond?
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,789

    Wtf was that?

    5 minutes of your life just gone for no reason
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917
    Pulpstar said:

    I think we can almost take it as read that the Govt will lose tomorrow so I assume this speech tees up a GE ?

    Yes.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,601
    Is there any doubt of that? I know rebels in Labour for Brexit and Tories against Brexit have always tended to disappoint, but this is pretty much the last chance for the anti- no dealers, and it barely takes any to see the government lose.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,177
    RobD said:

    He'd call an election instead...
    He can’t call an election. We’ve been through this.
  • Byronic said:

    I can see Brexit very easily ending in civil strife now. Tragic.

    And it's all the Brexiteers' fault. And they're the ones threatening violence now, as we've seen on here passim.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,364

    He can’t call an election. We’ve been through this.
    If Corbyn will agree to it under any circumstances, he can.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,573
    Jonathan said:

    Weak

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    Weak

    He inherited a minority Govt.

    I sincerely hope he gets to head a majority Govt.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,302

    5 minutes of your life just gone for no reason
    Can't disagree with that.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,302

    It wasn't even eloquent - he bumbled over "get it done" twice in the last sentence.


    Has he been on the gin maybe?
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,177
    RobD said:

    If Corbyn will agree to it under any circumstances, he can.
    We’ll see.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,601

    And it's all the Brexiteers' fault. And they're the ones threatening violence now, as we've seen on here passim.
    DrFoxy was talking there being violence on here the other day too. So it is not only Brexiteers predicting it, though they and he dispute their predictions are also tacit endorsements of it happening.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,107
    Byronic said:

    Hah! OK let’s play wine snob top trumps.

    I was once handed a nearly full bottle of Mouton Rothschild 1945. The person handing it to me said “do you want to finish this? We opened a few last night for granny’s birthday but I’ve had enough”.

    The person giving it to me was a Rothschild. The bottle was worth, even then, about £10,000.

    If you can beat that I shall pay you my respects and retire hurt: and drive to Sparta to buy some (cheaper) wine.
    Did it taste 200 times better than a £50 bottle, or 500 times better than a £20 bottle.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 20,177

    He inherited a minority Govt.

    I sincerely hope he gets to head a majority Govt.
    How is he going to do that? He’s just told us he doesn’t want an election.
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,955
    kle4 said:

    If he does that I'll thank him...although BXP would not have arisen as so potent a force had Boris and co not spent a year pissing on a deal that they then accepted was Brexit after all. Even a majority of the ERG did.
    I think I spoke too soon. Another few speeches like that and he will be polling where Theresa May was. Next election would then be a four way split between Labour, Lib Dem, Con and Brex.

    No idea who would come out on top, but a Con/Brex coalition would be a worse outcome for the country than a Tory government.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,922
    Noo said:

    Calm yourself down. Referring to parliamentary democracy as treachery is not a good look. We have free and fair elections, in which you are free to stand, campaign and vote.
    You're angry about something and exaggerating. Calm yourself down.
    If it's like this now, what happens if Brexit disrupts the poor dears' medication?
  • KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,917

    And it's all the Brexiteers' fault. And they're the ones threatening violence now, as we've seen on here passim.
    Hmm, you obviously aren't on social media ("string up the queen") or seeing who's been protesting on the streets over the past few days.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,364

    We’ll see.
    It certainly isn't as clear cut as you make out.
  • NEW THREAD

  • ByronicByronic Posts: 3,578

    And it's all the Brexiteers' fault. And they're the ones threatening violence now, as we've seen on here passim.
    No, it was 40 years of Europhile lies, evasions and duplicities which got us here. If they’d offered just one of the 483 referendums they promised (then denied) we would not be in this nightmare. But they didn’t, so we are.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,364

    NEW THREAD

    I don't see it on Vanilla :o
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,100

    He inherited a minority Govt.

    I sincerely hope he gets to head a majority Govt.
    Why? Party loyalty or something more?
  • “Nothing has changed”

    (Except, maybe, the very clear, on the record “I will not ask for an extension”.. which like “Oct 31 do or die” would be a massive hostage to fortune if he didn’t have every intention of sticking to it. It certainly sounds like he’d sooner - politically - die rather than not do it.)
  • What happens if the Rebels get their bill passed but then 2/3rds of MPs refuse to back an early election?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 35,302

    At least lectern use has increased since the referendum. Clearly a growth market.

    Time was PMs would make such statements to the HoC.

    Then again he's not letting the HoC meet much is he?
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,107

    I've never spent more than a tenner on a bottle of wine. I doubt I have ever drunk anything much more than a 30 quid bottle in my life. Is wine the new Air Miles on PB?
    TWS it is on top of airmiles and 5 star hotels, makes them feel important.
  • Byronic said:

    The word traitor is much overused. Especially in Brexit. But that vile document deserves the word. It is the only word. They are traitors.
    The traitors are those who are willing to trash the UK economy in a desperate attempt to meet a deadline imposed on us, against the UK PM and parliaments wishes, by a mardy French president!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 127,121
    edited September 2019

    Surprise surprise. What a bummer for HYUFD et al. Boris not making a blind bit of difference over his super-competent predecessor! What a bunch of over confident twats! So they have another election, it is a hung parliament. What then Mr Cummy-Biscuit?
    A poll by the anti Brexit Conservative Group for Europe and even they give the Tories more than Labour, the SNP, Plaid and the Greens combined with the DUP or LDs having the balance of power.

    In the last days of May by contrast the Tories were often third behind the Labour and Brexit Parties and sometimes even the LDs too
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,364

    Time was PMs would make such statements to the HoC.

    Then again he's not letting the HoC meet much is he?
    Yeah, it's a shame they voted themselves a six week holiday in the run up to this crisis, isn't it? :p
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,922
    kyf_100 said:

    I think I spoke too soon. Another few speeches like that and he will be polling where Theresa May was. Next election would then be a four way split between Labour, Lib Dem, Con and Brex.

    No idea who would come out on top, but a Con/Brex coalition would be a worse outcome for the country than a Tory government.
    Don't you know Boris just pretends to be stupid? Underneath it all there's a razor-sharp intellect.
  • Harris_TweedHarris_Tweed Posts: 1,337
    edited September 2019
    PS.. it would be highly amusing if the Commons refused to call an election, leaving him to follow its instructions or quit, presumably in favour of Gove or someone.

    (Edit: I see this is a repeat.. sorry!)
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 22,100

    What happens if the Rebels get their bill passed but then 2/3rds of MPs refuse to back an early election?

    What happens if the Rebels get their bill passed but then 2/3rds of MPs refuse to back an early election?

    Boris executes the will of Parliament or resigns.
  • And it's all the Brexiteers' fault. And they're the ones threatening violence now, as we've seen on here passim.
    If you destroy people's belief in democracy what do you expect? Blame those on both sides who have blocked Brexit for their own reasons. At some point the contract between the people and the political classes breaks.


  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 44,825
    Didn't see it. Was the Toxic Clown a bit transparent and vacuous?

    And if he was which one won out?

    Was it the transparency or was it the vacuity?
  • malcolmg said:

    Did it taste 200 times better than a £50 bottle, or 500 times better than a £20 bottle.
    Even wine experts can only do a little bit better than 50/50 guessing when comparing a £50 or £10 bottle of wine in blind tasting.
  • Byronic said:

    I can see Brexit very easily ending in civil strife now. Tragic.

    Inevitable when the political classes think they know better than the electorate.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 44,107
    GIN1138 said:

    Con 62 Seat Majority (biggest Con majority since 1987) - that would get the job done. :D
    It is a fantasy GIN, silly Tories wetting their pants yet again.
  • If you destroy people's belief in democracy what do you expect? Blame those on both sides who have blocked Brexit for their own reasons. At some point the contract between the people and the political classes breaks.
    When did people vote for a no-deal Brexit?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 51,291
    RobD said:

    So they could set it at some absurd date like 3019 and he'd have to accept? What a joke.
    it is always possible to leave earlier, if a deal is agreed.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,924
    HYUFD said:

    A poll by the anti Brexit Conservative Group for Europe and even they give the Tories more than Labour, the SNP, Plaid and the Greens combined with the DUP or LDs having the balance of power.

    In the last days of May by contrast the Tories were often third behind the Labour and Brexit Parties and sometimes even the LDs too
    Wheras in 2017 at the starting gun
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