I do have to question the judgement of the judiciary in getting involved in this, we;ll end uo with elected judges
Why not question the judgement of the PM for putting judges in the shit position of having to make a divisive and unnecessary ruling?
Yes I could question that, equally I could question the wisdom of the Speaker tearing up the rules. Neither side is exercising any judgement so we are simply in a political cage fight, The rules are there are no rules,
The speaker has certainly pushed the boundaries, I do not know enough about the details to know how much justification he had. All this can be avoided though, if the executives go back to arguing and winning their battles in parliament. If they cannot, then they should request a GE.
To be serious (why?), it's an office that really chews up the holders. Look at Blair when he entered in 1997, and when he left in 2007. It looks as though he's aged far more than ten years. The same with Major, and to a lesser extent Cameron.
It hands us over, bound hand and foot, to the EU. To toy with at their pleasure.
It’s unbelievable. Hey, Britain, Have ten years or No Deal. Absolutely fucking shameful.
Either you want Parliamentary sovereignty or you do not.
The word traitor is much overused. Especially in Brexit. But that vile document deserves the word. It is the only word. They are traitors.
Taking power from the executive and vesting it in parliament is by no definition treachery.
It is not treachery but it is a usurpation of power that completely defenestrates the executive. That has major ramifications for the electorate holding people to account. Especially when this is a move that does not correlate with traditional party lines.
According to Mr Johnson the chances for No Deal were one in a million three weeks ago, and that since then the chances for a deal had notably increased.
It is when the bulk of that Parliament is in thrall to Brussels.
Calm yourself down. Referring to parliamentary democracy as treachery is not a good look. We have free and fair elections, in which you are free to stand, campaign and vote. You're angry about something and exaggerating. Calm yourself down.
During the leadership election Tory posters thought Rory Stewart was continuity May and I argued it was Johnson. Events are proving me right, failure to debate, failure to lead, failure to build consensus, if losing the debate throw toys out of pram. Quick polling honeymoon for both, followed by disappointing election result leading to further paralysis.
I do have to question the judgement of the judiciary in getting involved in this, we;ll end uo with elected judges
Why not question the judgement of the PM for putting judges in the shit position of having to make a divisive and unnecessary ruling?
Yes I could question that, equally I could question the wisdom of the Speaker tearing up the rules. Neither side is exercising any judgement so we are simply in a political cage fight, The rules are there are no rules,
The speaker has certainly pushed the boundaries, I do not know enough about the details to know how much justification he had. All this can be avoided though, if the executives go back to arguing and winning their battles in parliament. If they cannot, then they should request a GE.
Is there any doubt of that? I know rebels in Labour for Brexit and Tories against Brexit have always tended to disappoint, but this is pretty much the last chance for the anti- no dealers, and it barely takes any to see the government lose.
I can see Brexit very easily ending in civil strife now. Tragic.
And it's all the Brexiteers' fault. And they're the ones threatening violence now, as we've seen on here passim.
DrFoxy was talking there being violence on here the other day too. So it is not only Brexiteers predicting it, though they and he dispute their predictions are also tacit endorsements of it happening.
At the end of my trip the owner, Mathilde, asked me to share a £5000 bottle of Bordeaux from a nearby winery. Hard times, they were. Hard.
I am such a pleb which is why I come to PB to gain enlightenment. £5,000 bottle of wine? Hardly an owner-served ampoule of Penfolds Block 42 now, is it?
Hah! OK let’s play wine snob top trumps.
I was once handed a nearly full bottle of Mouton Rothschild 1945. The person handing it to me said “do you want to finish this? We opened a few last night for granny’s birthday but I’ve had enough”.
The person giving it to me was a Rothschild. The bottle was worth, even then, about £10,000.
If you can beat that I shall pay you my respects and retire hurt: and drive to Sparta to buy some (cheaper) wine.
Did it taste 200 times better than a £50 bottle, or 500 times better than a £20 bottle.
Con 62 Seat Majority (biggest Con majority since 1987) - that would get the job done.
And there you have it.
For all the negative thread headers we've had on BoJo destroying the Conservative Party, etc, it's worth remembering that in the last days of Theresa May Electoral Calculus had a Con/BXP coalition as most likely outcome. Quite possibly with BXP as the senior partner if the trend continued.
Not only has Boris saved the Tories, if as rcs1000 says his plan all along has been to seek a majority then pass something that looks like the WA+lipstick, Boris will have actually saved us from a hard brexit - which would've been a certainty in a BXP/Con coalition.
If he does that I'll thank him...although BXP would not have arisen as so potent a force had Boris and co not spent a year pissing on a deal that they then accepted was Brexit after all. Even a majority of the ERG did.
I think I spoke too soon. Another few speeches like that and he will be polling where Theresa May was. Next election would then be a four way split between Labour, Lib Dem, Con and Brex.
No idea who would come out on top, but a Con/Brex coalition would be a worse outcome for the country than a Tory government.
It is when the bulk of that Parliament is in thrall to Brussels.
Calm yourself down. Referring to parliamentary democracy as treachery is not a good look. We have free and fair elections, in which you are free to stand, campaign and vote. You're angry about something and exaggerating. Calm yourself down.
If it's like this now, what happens if Brexit disrupts the poor dears' medication?
I can see Brexit very easily ending in civil strife now. Tragic.
And it's all the Brexiteers' fault. And they're the ones threatening violence now, as we've seen on here passim.
No, it was 40 years of Europhile lies, evasions and duplicities which got us here. If they’d offered just one of the 483 referendums they promised (then denied) we would not be in this nightmare. But they didn’t, so we are.
(Except, maybe, the very clear, on the record “I will not ask for an extension”.. which like “Oct 31 do or die” would be a massive hostage to fortune if he didn’t have every intention of sticking to it. It certainly sounds like he’d sooner - politically - die rather than not do it.)
At the end of my trip the owner, Mathilde, asked me to share a £5000 bottle of Bordeaux from a nearby winery. Hard times, they were. Hard.
I am such a pleb which is why I come to PB to gain enlightenment. £5,000 bottle of wine? Hardly an owner-served ampoule of Penfolds Block 42 now, is it?
Hah! OK let’s play wine snob top trumps.
I was once handed a nearly full bottle of Mouton Rothschild 1945. The person handing it to me said “do you want to finish this? We opened a few last night for granny’s birthday but I’ve had enough”.
The person giving it to me was a Rothschild. The bottle was worth, even then, about £10,000.
If you can beat that I shall pay you my respects and retire hurt: and drive to Sparta to buy some (cheaper) wine.
I've never spent more than a tenner on a bottle of wine. I doubt I have ever drunk anything much more than a 30 quid bottle in my life. Is wine the new Air Miles on PB?
TWS it is on top of airmiles and 5 star hotels, makes them feel important.
It hands us over, bound hand and foot, to the EU. To toy with at their pleasure.
It’s unbelievable. Hey, Britain, Have ten years or No Deal. Absolutely fucking shameful.
Either you want Parliamentary sovereignty or you do not.
The word traitor is much overused. Especially in Brexit. But that vile document deserves the word. It is the only word. They are traitors.
The traitors are those who are willing to trash the UK economy in a desperate attempt to meet a deadline imposed on us, against the UK PM and parliaments wishes, by a mardy French president!
Multilevel regression. It's the same kind of polling that accurately predicted results like Labour winning Canterbury in 2017.
Surprise surprise. What a bummer for HYUFD et al. Boris not making a blind bit of difference over his super-competent predecessor! What a bunch of over confident twats! So they have another election, it is a hung parliament. What then Mr Cummy-Biscuit?
A poll by the anti Brexit Conservative Group for Europe and even they give the Tories more than Labour, the SNP, Plaid and the Greens combined with the DUP or LDs having the balance of power.
In the last days of May by contrast the Tories were often third behind the Labour and Brexit Parties and sometimes even the LDs too
Con 62 Seat Majority (biggest Con majority since 1987) - that would get the job done.
And there you have it.
For all the negative thread headers we've had on BoJo destroying the Conservative Party, etc, it's worth remembering that in the last days of Theresa May Electoral Calculus had a Con/BXP coalition as most likely outcome. Quite possibly with BXP as the senior partner if the trend continued.
Not only has Boris saved the Tories, if as rcs1000 says his plan all along has been to seek a majority then pass something that looks like the WA+lipstick, Boris will have actually saved us from a hard brexit - which would've been a certainty in a BXP/Con coalition.
If he does that I'll thank him...although BXP would not have arisen as so potent a force had Boris and co not spent a year pissing on a deal that they then accepted was Brexit after all. Even a majority of the ERG did.
I think I spoke too soon. Another few speeches like that and he will be polling where Theresa May was. Next election would then be a four way split between Labour, Lib Dem, Con and Brex.
No idea who would come out on top, but a Con/Brex coalition would be a worse outcome for the country than a Tory government.
Don't you know Boris just pretends to be stupid? Underneath it all there's a razor-sharp intellect.
PS.. it would be highly amusing if the Commons refused to call an election, leaving him to follow its instructions or quit, presumably in favour of Gove or someone.
I can see Brexit very easily ending in civil strife now. Tragic.
And it's all the Brexiteers' fault. And they're the ones threatening violence now, as we've seen on here passim.
If you destroy people's belief in democracy what do you expect? Blame those on both sides who have blocked Brexit for their own reasons. At some point the contract between the people and the political classes breaks.
At the end of my trip the owner, Mathilde, asked me to share a £5000 bottle of Bordeaux from a nearby winery. Hard times, they were. Hard.
I am such a pleb which is why I come to PB to gain enlightenment. £5,000 bottle of wine? Hardly an owner-served ampoule of Penfolds Block 42 now, is it?
Hah! OK let’s play wine snob top trumps.
I was once handed a nearly full bottle of Mouton Rothschild 1945. The person handing it to me said “do you want to finish this? We opened a few last night for granny’s birthday but I’ve had enough”.
The person giving it to me was a Rothschild. The bottle was worth, even then, about £10,000.
If you can beat that I shall pay you my respects and retire hurt: and drive to Sparta to buy some (cheaper) wine.
Did it taste 200 times better than a £50 bottle, or 500 times better than a £20 bottle.
Even wine experts can only do a little bit better than 50/50 guessing when comparing a £50 or £10 bottle of wine in blind tasting.
I can see Brexit very easily ending in civil strife now. Tragic.
And it's all the Brexiteers' fault. And they're the ones threatening violence now, as we've seen on here passim.
If you destroy people's belief in democracy what do you expect? Blame those on both sides who have blocked Brexit for their own reasons. At some point the contract between the people and the political classes breaks.
Multilevel regression. It's the same kind of polling that accurately predicted results like Labour winning Canterbury in 2017.
Surprise surprise. What a bummer for HYUFD et al. Boris not making a blind bit of difference over his super-competent predecessor! What a bunch of over confident twats! So they have another election, it is a hung parliament. What then Mr Cummy-Biscuit?
A poll by the anti Brexit Conservative Group for Europe and even they give the Tories more than Labour, the SNP, Plaid and the Greens combined with the DUP or LDs having the balance of power.
In the last days of May by contrast the Tories were often third behind the Labour and Brexit Parties and sometimes even the LDs too
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Guarantees an election.
He'll wait to be forced to do it, totally against his will.
'I really don't want an election, but if MPs tomorrow and Wednesday make my position untenable..'
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Weak
But the question is - what does the Toxic Clown do?
Exciting or what.
Well, that's a relief.
You're angry about something and exaggerating. Calm yourself down.
I sincerely hope he gets to head a majority Govt.
Has he been on the gin maybe?
No idea who would come out on top, but a Con/Brex coalition would be a worse outcome for the country than a Tory government.
NEW THREAD
(Except, maybe, the very clear, on the record “I will not ask for an extension”.. which like “Oct 31 do or die” would be a massive hostage to fortune if he didn’t have every intention of sticking to it. It certainly sounds like he’d sooner - politically - die rather than not do it.)
Then again he's not letting the HoC meet much is he?
In the last days of May by contrast the Tories were often third behind the Labour and Brexit Parties and sometimes even the LDs too
(Edit: I see this is a repeat.. sorry!)
And if he was which one won out?
Was it the transparency or was it the vacuity?