HYUFD said:

The_Taxman said:

stodge said:

Afternoon all

At a particularly tedious meeting this morning, I was musing on the notion we currently have FIVE ex-Prime Ministers still alive and seemingly all in rude health:

John Major
Tony Blair
Gordon Brown
David Cameron
Theresa May

When was the last occasion in recent times there were as many as five ex Prime Ministers still alive?

I was thinking the same just yesterday! They are also all against No Deal Brexit and certainly pre TM against any Brexit...

Thatcher would been pro Brexit

She was a one world globalist. Trump would have thought she was the devil.

stodge said:

Afternoon all

At a particularly tedious meeting this morning, I was musing on the notion we currently have FIVE ex-Prime Ministers still alive and seemingly all in rude health:

John Major
Tony Blair
Gordon Brown
David Cameron
Theresa May

When was the last occasion in recent times there were as many as five ex Prime Ministers still alive?

Thatcher, Callaghan, Wilson, Heath, and Douglas-Home were all alive in 1995

HYUFD said:

stodge said:

Afternoon all

At a particularly tedious meeting this morning, I was musing on the notion we currently have FIVE ex-Prime Ministers still alive and seemingly all in rude health:

John Major
Tony Blair
Gordon Brown
David Cameron
Theresa May

When was the last occasion in recent times there were as many as five ex Prime Ministers still alive?

Early 1980s, Macmilan, Home, Wilson, Heath, Callaghan

Fake news. The last occasion was 1995.

Alanbrooke said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Alanbrooke said:

YBarddCwsc said:

noneoftheabove said:

Alanbrooke said:

kinabalu said:

Alanbrooke said:

the whole of Brexit was totally avoidable if UK politicans had not ignored large slices of the electorate. This is simply the modern version of the Peasants revolt.

The peasants may well be revolting but so is middle England and the whole thing is led by the nobs.

To me, Brexit is above all a project of the reactionary right of politics. Its core appeal is to identity not economics - hence its power.

the middle classes are having a tantrum because the electorate is saying they doint like policies which only favour the middle classes.

If by middle classe and stressful.

There are very few "far richer than us", owning "acres of land". Not enough to account for 52 per cent of the Referendum vote.

To win the referendum, Leave had to get the votes of the poor.

Middle class remainers lost because they forgot how many poor people there are.

and didnt give a shit about them

That's bollocks. Your average middle class Remainer is much more concerned about the poor than the billionaire disaster capitalist funders of the Leave campaign, who simply saw them as useful idiots that could be convinced to vote for their project on the basis of xenophobia and lies. Look at the Dominic Cummings quote on the Tories, poor people and the NHS - the mask slipped for a second there. Stand by for turbocharged Thatcherism in the event of no deal - and a repeat of the increase in inequality that happened then.
I have always supported policies to help the less well off, like a more generous safety net, better public services, more social housing, higher minimum wages and higher taxes on the better off to pay for it. Much more effective than scapegoating immigrants and trashing the economy.
Brexit will probably make me better off financially. So don't pretend that Remainers are all motivated by some kind of middle class self interest. I am anti Brexit because (a) I think it is a project designed to screw the poor and (b) I don't think liars should prosper.

I sincerely doubt Leave are the only people who have billionaires backing them, Remain based on the corporate vote have more than their fair share. As for the policies you support that;s fine, but the people you are supporting arent implementing them. Its just as easy to say you have been duped and lied to by well off corporatists.

The people I have supported lost the last 3 elections, they were certainly promising to do most of those things.

Pulpstar said:

The amount of people that only consider the big two when they're deciding their vote is amusing.

But not very funny in the long run.

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Byronic said:

Am I allowed to ask how Brexit will financially benefit you? Genuinely curious.

I work in finance so the pot I am paid out of is essentially in USD. A weaker GBP as a result of Brexit means I will probably get paid more in GBP terms, and in real terms since a lot of my consumption basket is domestic services. Of course it is possible that Brexit is such a clusterfuck that I lose my job. I suspect that is more likely if Corbyn gets in, but I will still vote Labour because I think they will do more to help the less well off and I can probably look after myself.
It's not that hard to see why Brexit was funded by many people in this sector, they are all short GBP by the nature of having USD revenues and GBP costs (plus they want more freedom to do whatever they want and think that is more likely outside of the EU). Bamford is similar, as I believe they sell mostly outside the EU and so the loss of market access issue is not such a problem for them, unlike the auto sector.

I take it you live in London\South East ?

https://twitter.com/MatthewOToole2/status/1156539939800125441

Gardenwalker said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Byronic said:

Am I allowed to ask how Brexit will financially benefit you? Genuinely curious.

I work in finance so the pot I am paid out of is essentially in USD. A weaker GBP as a result of Brexit means I will probably get paid more in GBP terms, and in real terms since a lot of my consumption basket is domestic services. Of course it is possible that Brexit is such a clusterfuck that I lose my job. I suspect that is more likely if Corbyn gets in, but I will still vote Labour because I think they will do more to help the less well off and I can probably look after myself.
It's not that hard to see why Brexit was funded by many people in this sector, they are all short GBP by the nature of having USD revenues and GBP costs (plus they want more freedom to do whatever they want and think that is more likely outside of the EU). Bamford is similar, as I believe they sell mostly outside the EU and so the loss of market access issue is not such a problem for them, unlike the auto sector.

Yes. To the poor, the retired, and the wealthy social conservatives, we must add the ideological libertarians, the disaster capitalists, and the pound speculators.

These last three are too small to represent clear demographic groupings, and certainly too small to be polled, but they appear to be largely driving Brexit now.

you forgot about the Jews

HYUFD said:

The_Taxman said:

stodge said:

Afternoon all

At a particularly tedious meeting this morning, I was musing on the notion we currently have FIVE ex-Prime Ministers still alive and seemingly all in rude health:

John Major
Tony Blair
Gordon Brown
David Cameron
Theresa May

When was the last occasion in recent times there were as many as five ex Prime Ministers still alive?

I was thinking the same just yesterday! They are also all against No Deal Brexit and certainly pre TM against any Brexit...

Thatcher would been pro Brexit

The interesting point is what sort of Brexit in that case would she have been in favour of executing? I suspect given her involvement in creating the Single Market she might have wanted to have stayed a member of that. One can only speculate of course but I think she would have wanted out of the political structures. I wonder if she would have gone for the Customs Union as well? Sadly she was not in command of her faculties in the closing part of her life. I always remember her taking the oath in the H of L in her last few years and she did not seem well at all...

Byronic said:

SouthamObserver said:

YBarddCwsc said:

noneoftheabove said:

I have no problem with those who voted leave who have been left out of the econony and society over the last 20 years and unlike others I dont think they will be the worst hit by Brexit. An orderly Brexit need not even be a disaster but no deal will be.

I do have a problem with those who have benefitted enormously through their life with free university education, opportunities to work and live abroad, generous final salary pensions, govt led asset boom boosted further by QE and govt subsidies, then wanting to take all of those opportunities, to study, to build up assets, to have a secure retirement, to be able to work and live abroad away from the next generations because of how they feel.

Ebbw Vale is the main town in Blaenau Gwent, the most Leaver-y constituency in the country.

It is hard to find somewhere there with GCSEs, let alone BAs and MAs from a "free university education."

It is hard to find someone who enjoyed "working and living abroad" (like so many of the Remainers). Many in Ebbw Vale will have never been abroad at all.

It is hard to find someone with any assets. They are the people that prominent Remainers on this board (Gardenwalker) sneeringly refer to as living in "Valleys dunghills".

The problems in our country have been building for many, many years.

The Referendum simply and finally and irrevocably brought the problems to the attention of the middle class in the South East, who have largely been immune from such matters.

The middle class in the South East largely voted Leave, didn't it?

Out of interest, what percentage of the 16 million plus Remain voters do you think have lived and worked abroad?

A Leaver relative of mine claimed, the other day, that the Brexit vote was “a vote against London” and I think she was on to something.

For decades non-Londoners have had to sit there and grin as Londoners got obscenely wealthy simply by owning London property. Brexit was, in part, a howl of outrage at the unfairness.

Londoners like Boris Johnson and Jeremy Corbyn have got extremely wealthy on the back of property. That does not apply to most Londoners, though. The London reality is very different to the London perception. But I do agree that the perception is widely held.

Alanbrooke said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Byronic said:

Am I allowed to ask how Brexit will financially benefit you? Genuinely curious.

I work in finance so the pot I am paid out of is essentially in USD. A weaker GBP as a result of Brexit means I will probably get paid more in GBP terms, and in real terms since a lot of my consumption basket is domestic services. Of course it is possible that Brexit is such a clusterfuck that I lose my job. I suspect that is more likely if Corbyn gets in, but I will still vote Labour because I think they will do more to help the less well off and I can probably look after myself.
It's not that hard to see why Brexit was funded by many people in this sector, they are all short GBP by the nature of having USD revenues and GBP costs (plus they want more freedom to do whatever they want and think that is more likely outside of the EU). Bamford is similar, as I believe they sell mostly outside the EU and so the loss of market access issue is not such a problem for them, unlike the auto sector.

I take it you live in London\South East ?

You should be able to tell exactly where I live from my name on here, unless you are unaware of the work of CarterUSM!
I am not from London and the South East though.

Alanbrooke said:

Gardenwalker said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Byronic said:

Am I allowed to ask how Brexit will financially benefit you? Genuinely curious.

I work in finance so the pot I am paid out of is essentially in USD. A weaker GBP as a result of Brexit means I will probably get paid more in GBP terms, and in real terms since a lot of my consumption basket is domestic services. Of course it is possible that Brexit is such a clusterfuck that I lose my job. I suspect that is more likely if Corbyn gets in, but I will still vote Labour because I think they will do more to help the less well off and I can probably look after myself.
It's not that hard to see why Brexit was funded by many people in this sector, they are all short GBP by the nature of having USD revenues and GBP costs (plus they want more freedom to do whatever they want and think that is more likely outside of the EU). Bamford is similar, as I believe they sell mostly outside the EU and so the loss of market access issue is not such a problem for them, unlike the auto sector.

Yes. To the poor, the retired, and the wealthy social conservatives, we must add the ideological libertarians, the disaster capitalists, and the pound speculators.

These last three are too small to represent clear demographic groupings, and certainly too small to be polled, but they appear to be largely driving Brexit now.

you forgot about the Jews

I resent the implication.

Byronic said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Byronic said:

Am I allowed to ask how Brexit will financially benefit you? Genuinely curious.

I work in finance so the pot I am paid out of is essentially in USD. A weaker GBP as a result of Brexit means I will probably get paid more in GBP terms, and in real terms since a lot of my consumption basket is domestic services. Of course it is possible that Brexit is such a clusterfuck that I lose my job. I suspect that is more likely if Corbyn gets in, but I will still vote Labour because I think they will do more to help the less well off and I can probably look after myself.
It's not that hard to see why Brexit was funded by many people in this sector, they are all short GBP by the nature of having USD revenues and GBP costs (plus they want more freedom to do whatever they want and think that is more likely outside of the EU). Bamford is similar, as I believe they sell mostly outside the EU and so the loss of market access issue is not such a problem for them, unlike the auto sector.

Very interesting. Thanks. I don’t believe leavers are quite as selfishly scheming as all that, but it’s an intriguing perspective

Ha ha how charmingly naive.

SouthamObserver said:

Alanbrooke said:

SouthamObserver said:

Alanbrooke said:

noneoftheabove said:

Alanbrooke said:

noneoftheabove said:

Alanbrooke said:

noneoftheabove said:

Alanbrooke said:

kinabalu said:

Alanbrooke said:

the whole of Brexit was totally avoidable if UK politicans had not ignored large slices of the electorate. This is simply the modern version of the Peasants revolt.

The peasants may well be revolting but so is middle England and the whole thing is led by the nobs.

To me, Brexit is above all a project of the reactionary right of politics. Its core appeal is to identity not economics - hence its power.

the middle classes are having a tantrum because the electorate is saying they doint like policies which only favour the middle classes.

If by middle classesand stressful.

then maybe you should have spent more time listening to the other demographics and you would have avoided the problem.

How exactly? Pensio anything and nothing happens.

They are even planning to bring down the court system to stop paying a tv license they can perfectly well afford. How would that help law and order which they claim to care about?

Older people voted for Brexit for a wide range of reasons, but common to many is that the economic case was secondary to the emotional and political case.

youre simply suffering the penalties for the mistakes made 10-15 years ago and which the people you vote for implemented. the Breo party has graped the nettle.



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The people in charge of society 10-15 ye important to our future.

why do you think jobs and the economy arrent important to older people ?

Because they voted Leave!!!

So age and wisdom gets the result.

Age, for sure. As for wisdom, we'll see. The first three years of our Brexit journey have not exactly been triumphant.

it has simply highlighted how utterly useless our political class is at present. It strikes me that if the same people are so bad at managing Europe now, then just how bad were their decisions over the last 40 years ?

HYUFD said:

stodge said:

Afternoon all

At a particularly tedious meeting this morning, I was musing on the notion we currently have FIVE ex-Prime Ministers still alive and seemingly all in rude health:

John Major
Tony Blair
Gordon Brown
David Cameron
Theresa May

When was the last occasion in recent times there were as many as five ex Prime Ministers still alive?

Early 1980s, Macmilan, Home, Wilson, Heath, Callaghan

Also 1923-24: Bonar Law, Lloyd George, Asquith, Balfour, Rosebery

Granted that's not especially 'recent times.'

In 1964-65 Churchill, Attlee, Eden, Macmillan and Home were all still alive.

So it's not that uncommon.

A rarer event is only one former PM left alive. March-July 1945 (Baldwin only) 1896-1902 and again from 1902-1905 (Rosebery only) 1881-1885 (no Prime Minister living other than Gladstone) 1878-80 (Gladstone only) but after that I really begin to struggle.

Gardenwalker said:

Byronic said:

SouthamObserver said:

YBarddCwsc said:

noneoftheabove said:

I have no problem with those who voted leave who have been left out of the econony and society over the last 20 years and unlike others I dont think they will be the worst hit by Brexit. An orderly Brexit need not even be a disaster but no deal will be.

I do have a problem with those who have benefitted enormously through their life with free university education, opportunities to work and live abroad, generous final salary pensions, govt led asset boom boosted further by QE and govt subsidies, then wanting to take all of those opportunities, to study, to build up assets, to have a secure retirement, to be able to work and live abroad away from the next generations because of how they feel.

Ebbw Vale is the main town in Blaenau Gwent, the most Leaver-y constituency in the country.

It is hard to find somewhere there with GCSEs, let alone BAs and MAs from a "free university education."

It is hard to find someone who enjoyed "working and living abroad" (like so many of the Remainers). Many in Ebbw Vale will have never been abroad at all.

It is hard to find someone with any assets. They are the people that prominent Remainers on this board (Gardenwalker) sneeringly refer to as living in "Valleys dunghills".

The problems in our country have been building for many, many years.

The Referendum simply and finally and irrevocably brought the problems to the attention of the middle class in the South East, who have largely been immune from such matters.

The middle class in the South East largely voted Leave, didn't it?

Out of interest, what percentage of the 16 million plus Remain voters do you think have lived and worked abroad?

A Leaver relative of mine claimed, the other day, that the Brexit vote was “a vote against London” and I think she was on to something.

For decades non-Londoners have had to sit there and grin as Londoners got obscenely wealthy simply by owning London property. Brexit was, in part, a howl of outrage at the unfairness.

What proportion of Londoners are born and bred in London?

Many of us, like Norman Tebbit’s father, “got on our bikes”.

and will get on your bikes again to get out of the dump and live somewhere else in a real sized house.

DecrepitJohnL said:

HYUFD said:

The_Taxman said:

stodge said:

Afternoon all

At a particularly tedious meeting this morning, I was musing on the notion we currently have FIVE ex-Prime Ministers still alive and seemingly all in rude health:

John Major
Tony Blair
Gordon Brown
David Cameron
Theresa May

When was the last occasion in recent times there were as many as five ex Prime Ministers still alive?

I was thinking the same just yesterday! They are also all against No Deal Brexit and certainly pre TM against any Brexit...

Thatcher would been pro Brexit

Mrs Thatcher would probably have favoured something like the Cameron deal (if you can call it that): in the EU for the single market but with various opt-outs from the rest.

Mrs Thatcher grew up politically in the 1960s when Britain was not prospering out side the EEC, far from it, and was desperate to join. Mrs Thatcher might not have been keen on the social chapter but she helped create the single market.

Mrs Thatcher was not a Brexiteer.

She was as she was anti EU and opposed the Maaastricht Treaty, she backed the single market before it included free movement from Eastern Europe and so many ECJ regulations, she would have been happy with the Canada style FTA Boris wants with the EU

NEW THREAD

Project fear fails again. The pound was only the second weakest currency last year.

https://twitter.com/EdConwaySky/status/1155877627418370049

Gardenwalker said:

Alanbrooke said:

Gardenwalker said:

Byronic said:

SouthamObserver said:

YBarddCwsc said:

noneoftheabove said:

I have no problem with those who voted leave who have been left out of the econony and society over the last 20 years and unlike others I dont think they will be the worst hit by Brexit. An orderly Brexit need not even be a disaster but no deal will be.

I do have a problem with those who have benefitted enormously through their life with free university education, opportunities to work and live abroad, generous final salary pensions, govt led asset boom boosted further by QE and govt subsidies, then wanting to take all of those opportunities, to study, to build up assets, to have a secure retirement, to be able to work and live abroad away from the next generations because of how they feel.

Ebbw Vale is the main town in Blaenau Gwent, the most Leaver-y constituency in the country.

It is hard to find somewhere there with GCSEs, let alone BAs and MAs from a "free university education."

It is hard to find someone who enjoyed "working and living abroad" (like so many of the Remainers). Many in Ebbw Vale will have never been abroad at all.

It is hard to find someone with any assets. They are the people that prominent Remainers on this board (Gardenwalker) sneeringly refer to as living in "Valleys dunghills".

The problems in our country have been building for many, many years.

The Referendum simply and finally and irrevocably brought the problems to the attention of the middle class in the South East, who have largely been immune from such matters.

The middle class in the South East largely voted Leave, didn't it?

Out of interest, what percentage of the 16 million plus Remain voters do you think have lived and worked abroad?

A Leaver relative of mine claimed, the other day, that the Brexit vote was “a vote against London” and I think she was on to something.

For decades non-Londoners have had to sit there and grin as Londoners got obscenely wealthy simply by owning London property. Brexit was, in part, a howl of outrage at the unfairness.

What proportion of Londoners are born and bred in London?

Many of us, like Norman Tebbit’s father, “got on our bikes”.

and will get on your bikes again to get out of the dump and live somewhere else in a real sized house.

Yes. Increasingly my peer set are looking for options to take their talents (and tax) away from the U.K.

thats the thing with hot money, it never stays put

Byronic said:

SouthamObserver said:

YBarddCwsc said:

noneoftheabove said:

I have no problem with those who voted leave who have been left out of the econony and society over the last 20 years and unlike others I dont think they will be the worst hit by Brexit. An orderly Brexit need not even be a disaster but no deal will be.

I do have a problem with those who have benefitted enormously through their life with free university education, opportunities to work and live abroad, generous final salary pensions, govt led asset boom boosted further by QE and govt subsidies, then wanting to take all of those opportunities, to study, to build up assets, to have a secure retirement, to be able to work and live abroad away from the next generations because of how they feel.

Ebbw Vale is the main town in Blaenau Gwent, the most Leaver-y constituency in the country.

It is hard to find somewhere there with GCSEs, let alone BAs and MAs from a "free university education."

It is hard to find someone who enjoyed "working and living abroad" (like so many of the Remainers). Many in Ebbw Vale will have never been abroad at all.

It is hard to find someone with any assets. They are the people that prominent Remainers on this board (Gardenwalker) sneeringly refer to as living in "Valleys dunghills".

The problems in our country have been building for many, many years.

The Referendum simply and finally and irrevocably brought the problems to the attention of the middle class in the South East, who have largely been immune from such matters.

The middle class in the South East largely voted Leave, didn't it?

Out of interest, what percentage of the 16 million plus Remain voters do you think have lived and worked abroad?

A Leaver relative of mine claimed, the other day, that the Brexit vote was “a vote against London” and I think she was on to something.

For decades non-Londoners have had to sit there and grin as Londoners got obscenely wealthy simply by owning London property. Brexit was, in part, a howl of outrage at the unfairness.

But that wealth has been gained mainly by older people living in London at the expense of younger people who live or want to live in London. If you have no intention of ever living in London, which presumably the London haterz don't, then it's kind of dumb of them to resent it. In fact it is people like me - who live in an expensive London house that they actually had to pay for - who should be most pissed off!

Alanbrooke said:

Recidivist said:

Alanbrooke said:

noneoftheabove said:

Alanbrooke said:

noneoftheabove said:

Alanbrooke said:

noneoftheabove said:

Alanbrooke said:

kinabalu said:

Alanbrooke said:

the whole of Brexit was totally avoidable if UK politicans had not ignored large slices of the electorate. This is simply the modern version of the Peasants revolt.

The peasants may well be revolting but so is middle England and the whole thing is led by the nobs.

To me, Brexit is above all a project of the reactionary right of politics. Its core appeal is to identity not economics - hence its power.

.

If by middle classes you mean anyone working for a living then yes we have had enough of being squeezed further at the expense of those relying on state support, especially the demographic that is far richer than us, owns acres of land, voted for Brexit and now want us to fully compensate them for their loss in income from Brexit whilst our jobs become more risky and stressful.

then maybe you should have spent more time listening to the other demographics and you would have avoided the problem.

How exactly? Pensioners have never been richer, yet they want to trash the economy? They have a triple lock, own a bigger a share of assets than ever before, own huge stocks of residential housing which those working and under 50 have to rent from them as well as pay their taxes. What else should we have done to improve the lives of pensioners further? If we try to fund care properly, as govts have flirted with, pensioners go up in arms over them paying anything and nothing happens.

They are even planning to bring down the court system to stop paying a tv license they can perfectly well afford. How would that help law and order which they claim to care about?

Older people voted for Brexit for a wide range of reasons, but common to many is that the economic case was secondary to the emotional and political case.

youre simply suffering the penalties for the mistakes made 10-15 years ago and which the people you vote for implemented. the Breo party has graped the nettle.



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The people in charge of society 10- to our future.

why do you think jobs and the economy arrent important to older people ?

More to the point, why don't older people think jobs and the economy aren't important?

Ive yet to meet an oldie in that category

Random observation. I don't know anyone who supports leave who actually has a job.

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Ha ha how charmingly naive.

@Byronic is not being naive at all. In fact, quite the opposite.

Perhaps you don't know many Leavers. I do - a lot. Many of the people I know are Conservative-voting, relatively wealthy or at least comfortable, approaching retirement or retired, living in a lovely part of the South-East in mostly nice, detached houses. A lot of them voted Leave, for various reasons. Not a single one is selfish, scheming, or doesn't care about the economy or jobs for young people - in fact, they are extremely concerned about the latter. What's more, although I can think of a couple of exceptions, almost none of them are xenophobic, little-Englanders or racists or bigoted in any way.

You have fallen into the classic error of the left of ascribing bad motivation to people whose political views you disagree with.

If I were to generalise, what I would say is that the economic dangers of Brexit, and now no-deal Brexit, are not very obvious to some of those amongst this group. That is because they have had little direct contact with how the economy operates in the twenty-first century.

stodge said:

Afternoon all

At a particularly tedious meeting this morning, I was musing on the notion we currently have FIVE ex-Prime Ministers still alive and seemingly all in rude health:

John Major
Tony Blair
Gordon Brown
David Cameron
Theresa May

When was the last occasion in recent times there were as many as five ex Prime Ministers still alive?

Life is good when the taxpayer has made you very, very wealthy.

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Byronic said:

SouthamObserver said:

YBarddCwsc said:

noneoftheabove said:

I have no problem with those who voted leave who have been left out of the econony and society over the last 20 years and unlike others I dont think they will be the worst hit by Brexit. An orderly Brexit need not even be a disaster but no deal will be.

I do have a problem with those who have benefitted enormously through their life with free university education, opportunities to work and live abroad, generous final salary pensions, govt led asset boom boosted further by QE and govt subsidies, then wanting to take all of those opportunities, to study, to build up assets, to have a secure retirement, to be able to work and live abroad away from the next generations because of how they feel.

Ebbw Vale is the main town in Blaenau Gwent, the most Leaver-y constituency in the country.

It is hard to find somewhere there with GCSEs, let alone BAs and MAs from a "free university education."

It is hard to find someone who enjoyed "working and living abroad" (like so many of the Remainers). Many in Ebbw Vale will have never been abroad at all.

It is hard to find someone with any assets. They are the people that prominent Remainers on this board (Gardenwalker) sneeringly refer to as living in "Valleys dunghills".

The problems in our country have been building for many, many years.

The Referendum simply and finally and irrevocably brought the problems to the attention of the middle class in the South East, who have largely been immune from such matters.

The middle class in the South East largely voted Leave, didn't it?

Out of interest, what percentage of the 16 million plus Remain voters do you think have lived and worked abroad?

A Leaver relative of mine claimed, the other day, that the Brexit vote was “a vote against London” and I think she was on to something.

For decades non-Londoners have had to sit there and grin as Londoners got obscenely wealthy simply by owning London property. Brexit was, in part, a howl of outrage at the unfairness.

But that wealth has been gained mainly by older people living in London at the expense of younger people who live or want to live in London. If you have no intention of ever living in London, which presumably the London haterz don't, then it's kind of dumb of them to resent it. In fact it is people like me - who live in an expensive London house that they actually had to pay for - who should be most pissed off!

Except that middle aged Londoners are cashing in and moving out and settling all over the country.

IanB2 said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Byronic said:

SouthamObserver said:

YBarddCwsc said:

noneoftheabove said:

I have no problem with those who voted leave who have been left out of the econony and society over the last 20 years and unlike others I dont think they will be the worst hit by Brexit. An orderly Brexit need not even be a disaster but no deal will be.

I do have a problem with those who have benefitted enormously through their life with free university education, opportunities to work and live abroad, generous final salary pensions, govt led asset boom boosted further by QE and govt subsidies, then wanting to take all of those opportunities, to study, to build up assets, to have a secure retirement, to be able to work and live abroad away from the next generations because of how they feel.

Ebbw Vale is the main town in Blaenau Gwent, the most Leaver-y constituency in the country.

It is hard to find somewhere there with GCSEs, let alone BAs and MAs from a "free university education."

It is hard to find someone who enjoyed "working and living abroad" (like so many of the Remainers). Many in Ebbw Vale will have never been abroad at all.

It is hard to find someone with any assets. They are the people that prominent Remainers on this board (Gardenwalker) sneeringly refer to as living in "Valleys dunghills".

The problems in our country have been building for many, many years.

The Referendum simply and finally and irrevocably brought the problems to the attention of the middle class in the South East, who have largely been immune from such matters.

The middle class in the South East largely voted Leave, didn't it?

Out of interest, what percentage of the 16 million plus Remain voters do you think have lived and worked abroad?

A Leaver relative of mine claimed, the other day, that the Brexit vote was “a vote against London” and I think she was on to something.

For decades non-Londoners have had to sit there and grin as Londoners got obscenely wealthy simply by owning London property. Brexit was, in part, a howl of outrage at the unfairness.

But that wealth has been gained mainly by older people living in London at the expense of younger people who live or want to live in London. If you have no intention of ever living in London, which presumably the London haterz don't, then it's kind of dumb of them to resent it. In fact it is people like me - who live in an expensive London house that they actually had to pay for - who should be most pissed off!

Except that middle aged Londoners are cashing in and moving out and settling all over the country.

Thus spreading the wealth by increasing other people's house prices.

Alanbrooke said:

Gardenwalker said:

OnlyLivingBoy said:

Byronic said:

Am I allowed to ask how Brexit will financially benefit you? Genuinely curious.

I work in finance so the pot I am paid out of is essentially in USD. A weaker GBP as a result of Brexit means I will probably get paid more in GBP terms, and in real terms since a lot of my consumption basket is domestic services. Of course it is possible that Brexit is such a clusterfuck that I lose my job. I suspect that is more likely if Corbyn gets in, but I will still vote Labour because I think they will do more to help the less well off and I can probably look after myself.
It's not that hard to see why Brexit was funded by many people in this sector, they are all short GBP by the nature of having USD revenues and GBP costs (plus they want more freedom to do whatever they want and think that is more likely outside of the EU). Bamford is similar, as I believe they sell mostly outside the EU and so the loss of market access issue is not such a problem for them, unlike the auto sector.

Yes. To the poor, the retired, and the wealthy social conservatives, we must add the ideological libertarians, the disaster capitalists, and the pound speculators.

These last three are too small to represent clear demographic groupings, and certainly too small to be polled, but they appear to be largely driving Brexit now.

you forgot about the Jews

I don't think that's the case. Unless I'm mistaken, and admittedly I haven't enquired upon it, the probability of being a Leaver does not increase with being Jewish, and arguably decreases.

Mysticrose said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Mysticrose said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Mysticrose said:

Benpointer said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

From BBC Business

Eurozone economic growth halves and inflation slows

Eurozone grows by 0.2% in second quarter

Fed expected to cut rates for first time in a decade

Pound rebounds from 28-month low

Honestly Big_G, I think calling a 0.1% rise a 'rebound' is pushing it a bit.

I don't normally bet on currency markets but I'm prepared to bet a tenner with BIG G that the pound will be lower than its current value one month from now. My point being, that claiming a 0.1% rise at 9.55am, which has already evaporated, really pays no attention to the short and medium sterling trend. Which we all should know ... is south.

Can we get this right.

I did not do anything than post a 'BBC business' headline.

Additionally I do not bet and I have no idea where the currency will be in three months time anymore than anyone else

It depends on far too many variables

Can you post the link to where the BBC mentioned 'rebound.'?

And can we get this right. This is a betting site. Variables are our metier.

BBC on line

Where? Can you post the link please. I follow the BBC carefully and haven't seen any such comment this morning about the pound rebounding.

I notice that Malcolmg has risen up in your support (presumably still not forgiving me for calling him out over his SNP-driven hatred of all things Jo Swinson) but if you're going to post something as fact, and then castigate others on here for questioning your position and stating 'don't shoot me, I'm only the messenger' you need to be sure of your facts.

So can we take it that, in fact, the BBC did not report that the pound has "rebounded?" I'd genuinely like you to correct me. So please do.

LOL , savaged by a dead lamb