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And hit the mid teens in the coming months?Sean_F said:
I expect that the Conservatives' numbers will rise into the mid thirties in coming weeks.Philip_Thompson said:
Apples and oranges.Mysticrose said:Boris' first polls are awful compared to Theresa May's. He's possibly scraping 30%. Hers were 40%.
I think we need to take a step back and look at all this another way, bracketing for a moment that pesky sideshow called Brexit.
The Conservatives have held power for 9 years. If they do win the next General Election outright they will have been in power in one form or other for between 14 and 17 years depending on the timing of the election. That would be almost on a par with the Thatcher-Major years and longer than the Blairites. Is this really likely? No.
Either bet on the apparent improbability of a Labour victory or some other make-up for other parties. But NOT on a Conservative majority.
The Tories had been polling in the 40s earlier in 2016 and were routinely polling 36-38 in the weeks prior to May's election. So getting a bounce back into the 40s was not a mammoth task.
I think the Tories under Boris are more likely to poll above 40% than under 30% at the general election, probably high 30s like Cameron's majority-winning 2015 election.0 -
That analysis may be right as a response to polling you don't like - sometimes hunches are......The_Taxman said:
The hunch is correct. The Brexit supporting media who instigated the ousting of May by giving coverage to the Brexit party in the run up to the European elections are trying to sell us their creation. I think they misjudge people as it is easy to spot the flaws in Boris Johnson. Some people like him at the moment despite his personal inability to execute the role as PM. However, overtime people who currently support him will turn on him and these flaws will be amplified and will metamorphose into objections.AndyJS said:0 -
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RobD said:
Do you also know the lottery numbers for next week?The_Taxman said:
The hunch is correct. The Brexit supporting media who instigated the ousting of May by giving coverage to the Brexit party in the run up to the European elections are trying to sell us their creation. I think they misjudge people as it is easy to spot the flaws in Boris Johnson. Some people like him at the moment despite his personal inability to execute the role as PM. However, overtime people who currently support him will turn on him and these flaws will be amplified and will metamorphose into objections.AndyJS said:
The circumstances are so different it's hardly a good comparison.kle4 said:
Does rather show up those salivating at Johnsons feet for mere words and unexceptional polling.CarlottaVance said:Excellent thread.....however, not necessarily everything is the same....
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In Vino VeritasTheuniondivvie said:0 -
No, experience over a life time and cynicism of the Tory media message.RobD said:
Do you also know the lottery numbers for next week?The_Taxman said:
The hunch is correct. The Brexit supporting media who instigated the ousting of May by giving coverage to the Brexit party in the run up to the European elections are trying to sell us their creation. I think they misjudge people as it is easy to spot the flaws in Boris Johnson. Some people like him at the moment despite his personal inability to execute the role as PM. However, overtime people who currently support him will turn on him and these flaws will be amplified and will metamorphose into objections.AndyJS said:0 -
I don't remember TMay hiring an extra 20k coppers so they could hassle our young blacks off the street.
But heh, maybe you liked that part.0 -
Who's Vassal state would we be? The EU, Russia's or the USA's - you've not made that clear.0
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Well, then, more remain doesn't seem to fit the tease:Recidivist said:
The last welsh poll showed a big swing to remain.kle4 said:
Now that's an epic tease.williamglenn said:
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/remain-10-percentage-point-lead-16527262
"The results go well beyond ‘gosh’ territory, or even ‘blimey’: by some way the most dramatic poll I have ever analysed."
If this poll just shows the same trend as the last poll, then it isn't "gosh" territory or even "blimey" territory !
My guess is it is a historic low for Labour, and probably shows them in 3rd place as their Leave and Remain voters switch to TBP and the LDs/PC.1 -
Don’t like what’s happening now ?
Furious at the way things are progressing ?
Simply state with confidence that it will all go tits up in 3 months time - no one can prove you wrong.
Carry on.1 -
Halloween No-Deal Brexit Nailed On.TGOHF said:Don’t like what’s happening now ?
Furious at the way things are progressing ?
Simply state with confidence that it will all go tits up in 3 months time - no one can prove you wrong.
Carry on.
I only realised there was a market for it yesterday - I've dipped my toes in but if the signals from the EU continue I might go large.
I don't even think it will go tits-up anyway, a few more soup cans will be bought just in case but I reckon it'll be a breeze0 -
TGOHF said:
Don’t like what’s happening now ?
Furious at the way things are progressing ?
Simply state with confidence that it will all go tits up in 3 months time - no one can prove you wrong.
Carry on.
It's all they have. 0 -
I genuinely don't understand what you mean by "right justified" nor what the problem is. I type it like any normal document (from left to right) and put it into WordPress.IanB2 said:Fourth like Labour
Credit to Cycle for a shorter piece with bullets, if still right justified
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It’s funny how we all get excited, or worried, about polls. I do too, despite knowing full well that polls this far out from Polling Day bear only a passing resemblance to the actual results.NickPalmer said:Anecdata department - a fellow-councillor and I went out for a couple of hours on doorsteps this morning, mainly to work towards fulfilling a promise to stay in touch and ask about local issues if we won.
But we mostly also asked people how they'd vote in a GE. Labour was marginally up on the local elections, but by far the most frequent reply was "I honestly have no idea". Some may have been shy of telling us, but most seemed entirely frank. I doubt if anyone can rely on polls at the moment.
Why do we all do it? I think it’s because polls give a semblance of science to a sphere that is really more of an art. We don’t trust our own powers of criticism, so we farm off judgement to some pseudo scientists.0 -
The Official Monster Raving Loony Party on about 20%.YBarddCwsc said:
Well, then, more remain doesn't seem to fit the tease:Recidivist said:
The last welsh poll showed a big swing to remain.kle4 said:
Now that's an epic tease.williamglenn said:
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/remain-10-percentage-point-lead-16527262
"The results go well beyond ‘gosh’ territory, or even ‘blimey’: by some way the most dramatic poll I have ever analysed."
If this poll just shows the same trend as the last poll, then it isn't "gosh" territory or even "blimey" territory !
My guess is it is a historic low for Labour, and probably shows them in 3rd place as their Leave and Remain voters switch to TBP and the LDs/PC.
And Lord Sutch's mob above them in third?0 -
Mrs May's first footsteps were hubristic. So are Boris's. Nemesis will surely follow.Philip_Thompson said:Mrs May's initial footsteps were the correct ones to make, the problem is what happened afterwards. She reneged on her pledges, she was thoroughly dishonest, nobody believed a word she said, she called an unnecessary election then choked during it.
If Boris sticks with the path he is setting out for himself he can be a great success. If he chokes, retreats and it was all a facade he will fail.0 -
Lord Digby seems to be following your mantra.TGOHF said:Don’t like what’s happening now ?
Furious at the way things are progressing ?
Simply state with confidence that it will all go tits up in 3 months time - no one can prove you wrong.
Carry on.0 -
With BJ we're slightly ahead as nobody believes a word he says anyway.Cyclefree said:
Mrs May's first footsteps were hubristic. So are Boris's. Nemesis will surely follow.Philip_Thompson said:Mrs May's initial footsteps were the correct ones to make, the problem is what happened afterwards. She reneged on her pledges, she was thoroughly dishonest, nobody believed a word she said, she called an unnecessary election then choked during it.
If Boris sticks with the path he is setting out for himself he can be a great success. If he chokes, retreats and it was all a facade he will fail.0 -
The only filthy commie song I know is this one, when I'm world king it's between this and land of hope and glory as the Official anthem-
https://youtu.be/t8EMx7Y16Vo0 -
For sure there will be no public involvedTheuniondivvie said:
Usually empty symbolism, BJ and his buds going to Glasgow the absolutely worst sort. I hope someone gets the rickshaw & loudhailer out, though I'm sure it'll be in some secret location with select fawners.another_richard said:
I've never understood these cabinet away days.Theuniondivvie said:'The visits to adoring fans'
I believe Boris is still intending a visit to Glasgow tomorrow avec cabinet.
https://twitter.com/AngryScotland/status/889400054326452224
Do they actually learn anything new by having a meeting in a government office in Glasgow instead of a government office in London ?
And is anyone in the 'real world' impressed by it ?0 -
Pro-Leave parties slightly outpolled pro-Remain parties in May, but I'd accept there is not a lot in it.surbiton19 said:
I think a UK poll would have similar figures. That's why Brexiteers want to finish off the job quickly. The lies have come back home.surbiton19 said:
This is coming as no surprise. Only Brexiteers and Corbyn believes in the Leave shit. The ground has shifted.Recidivist said:
The last welsh poll showed a big swing to remain.kle4 said:
Now that's an epic tease.williamglenn said:
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/remain-10-percentage-point-lead-165272620 -
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kle4 said:
And who rewards those politicians? We do.tlg86 said:As a millennial I feel more bitter towards Gen X than Boomers. Some of the latter, like my parents, experienced rationing as children. Gen X have had a decade of ultra low interest rates to prop up house prices. But no generation is to blame really, it’s the stupid politicians who are at fault.
There's no point blaming people for being alive from 1950 to 2000, when economic growth was a good deal higher than today.0 -
Digby Jones peddling yet more lies .
Ireland does not do 90% of trade with the UK. And then to add to that all this war bullshit.
Leavers not content with Brexit are intent on trashing relations with the EU. And those wallowing in the war analogies have no experience of actually living through the war but have some deluded romanticized view.
The real heroes spoke during the D Day commemorations and they’re not Brexiters .
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Tip briskin , try to point to previous post you are replying to so we do not think you are just howling at the moonJBriskinindyref2 said:Who's Vassal state would we be? The EU, Russia's or the USA's - you've not made that clear.
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Good observationStuartDickson said:
It’s funny how we all get excited, or worried, about polls. I do too, despite knowing full well that polls this far out from Polling Day bear only a passing resemblance to the actual results.NickPalmer said:Anecdata department - a fellow-councillor and I went out for a couple of hours on doorsteps this morning, mainly to work towards fulfilling a promise to stay in touch and ask about local issues if we won.
But we mostly also asked people how they'd vote in a GE. Labour was marginally up on the local elections, but by far the most frequent reply was "I honestly have no idea". Some may have been shy of telling us, but most seemed entirely frank. I doubt if anyone can rely on polls at the moment.
Why do we all do it? I think it’s because polls give a semblance of science to a sphere that is really more of an art. We don’t trust our own powers of criticism, so we farm off judgement to some pseudo scientists.0 -
Tip MalkyG, try to read the thread header before you start your rantsmalcolmg said:
Tip briskin , try to point to previous post you are replying to so we do not think you are just howling at the moonJBriskinindyref2 said:Who's Vassal state would we be? The EU, Russia's or the USA's - you've not made that clear.
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Yes, I think you are right.YBarddCwsc said:
Well, then, more remain doesn't seem to fit the tease:Recidivist said:
The last welsh poll showed a big swing to remain.kle4 said:
Now that's an epic tease.williamglenn said:
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/remain-10-percentage-point-lead-16527262
"The results go well beyond ‘gosh’ territory, or even ‘blimey’: by some way the most dramatic poll I have ever analysed."
If this poll just shows the same trend as the last poll, then it isn't "gosh" territory or even "blimey" territory !
My guess is it is a historic low for Labour, and probably shows them in 3rd place as their Leave and Remain voters switch to TBP and the LDs/PC.0 -
F1: Germany post-race ramble:
https://enormo-haddock.blogspot.com/2019/07/germany-post-race-analysis-2019.html0 -
90 % of containers exiting Ireland travel to or through the Uk.nico67 said:Digby Jones peddling yet more lies .
Ireland does not do 90% of trade with the UK. And then to add to that all this war bullshit.
Leavers not content with Brexit are intent on trashing relations with the EU. And those wallowing in the war analogies have no experience of actually living through the war but have some deluded romanticized view.
The real heroes spoke during the D Day commemorations and they’re not Brexiters .
An incredible position to put your country in over decades - so reliant on the virtually free infrastructure of a country your leader rails against daily.
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There's near perfect correlation between not reading the Withdrawal Agreement, and hating it.williamglenn said:
Have you read this thread?Philip_Thompson said:
It takes two to tango. We can't have a deal if the EU won't negotiate a good deal and that means no backstop.Stark_Dawning said:
Dave enabled the referendum so was entitled to make his case. Boris is ramming through No Deal, which only cranks and eccentrics on the fringe have dabbled in.Philip_Thompson said:
Now? We've got government funded propaganda for as long as I can remember, including a puff piece for Remain pre-referendum.FrancisUrquhart said:Forget the bus, we are now going to get government funded propaganda.
The new Prime Minister is planning to show Brussels he is serious about taking Britain out of the bloc without a deal by ramping up preparations.
The information push will see an everything-you-need-to-know leaflet sent to 27 million households and the broadcast of TV ads as part of a campaign which is expected to cost £10 million.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7294389/Every-home-Britain-leaflet-prepare-No-Deal-Brexit.html
The choice is the EU's to make. If they drop the backstop demands there is no reason we can't have a deal. If they don't, then so be it we have no choice but to proceed without one.
https://twitter.com/DLidington/status/1155149491764436994
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Although I think you can be somewhat forgiven, given it's a Cyclefree thread - but at least she tried to make it readable this time.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Tip MalkyG, try to read the thread header before you start your rantsmalcolmg said:
Tip briskin , try to point to previous post you are replying to so we do not think you are just howling at the moonJBriskinindyref2 said:Who's Vassal state would we be? The EU, Russia's or the USA's - you've not made that clear.
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Scottish Tory leader Ruth Davidson goes to war with Boris Johnson: 'I won't support no-deal Brexit'
Ms Davidson, who has previously been highly critical of Mr Johnson, added: "As leader of the party in Scotland, my position exists independently of government. I don't have to sign a no-deal pledge to continue to serve."
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/ruth-davidson-boris-johnson-brexit-no-deal-war-cabinet-michael-gove-a9024191.html?amp1 -
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I'll take the bait. My guess is the poll ordering goes something like:ydoethur said:
The Official Monster Raving Loony Party on about 20%.YBarddCwsc said:
Well, then, more remain doesn't seem to fit the tease:Recidivist said:
The last welsh poll showed a big swing to remain.kle4 said:
Now that's an epic tease.williamglenn said:
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/remain-10-percentage-point-lead-16527262
"The results go well beyond ‘gosh’ territory, or even ‘blimey’: by some way the most dramatic poll I have ever analysed."
If this poll just shows the same trend as the last poll, then it isn't "gosh" territory or even "blimey" territory !
My guess is it is a historic low for Labour, and probably shows them in 3rd place as their Leave and Remain voters switch to TBP and the LDs/PC.
And Lord Sutch's mob above them in third?
1. Plaid Cymru
2. TBP
3. Labour
4. Tories
5. LibDems.
This is the result from the Euros, but with the top two switched.
It gives Roger Awan-Scully his "gosh" factor as it is the first time PC have ever topped an All-Wales poll.0 -
It seems to me it's the cybernats that frott over DavidsonStuartDickson said:Scottish Tory leader Ruth Davidson goes to war with Boris Johnson: 'I won't support no-deal Brexit'
Ms Davidson, who has previously been highly critical of Mr Johnson, added: "As leader of the party in Scotland, my position exists independently of government. I don't have to sign a no-deal pledge to continue to serve."
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/ruth-davidson-boris-johnson-brexit-no-deal-war-cabinet-michael-gove-a9024191.html?amp2 -
What a change in the weather. Just put the heating on0
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Not wanting to be a customs union with the EU, or an arrangement that is effectively a union, is economic folly of the highest order.rcs1000 said:
There's near perfect correlation between not reading the Withdrawal Agreement, and hating it.williamglenn said:
Have you read this thread?Philip_Thompson said:
It takes two to tango. We can't have a deal if the EU won't negotiate a good deal and that means no backstop.Stark_Dawning said:
Dave enabled the referendum so was entitled to make his case. Boris is ramming through No Deal, which only cranks and eccentrics on the fringe have dabbled in.Philip_Thompson said:
Now? We've got government funded propaganda for as long as I can remember, including a puff piece for Remain pre-referendum.FrancisUrquhart said:Forget the bus, we are now going to get government funded propaganda.
The new Prime Minister is planning to show Brussels he is serious about taking Britain out of the bloc without a deal by ramping up preparations.
The information push will see an everything-you-need-to-know leaflet sent to 27 million households and the broadcast of TV ads as part of a campaign which is expected to cost £10 million.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7294389/Every-home-Britain-leaflet-prepare-No-Deal-Brexit.html
The choice is the EU's to make. If they drop the backstop demands there is no reason we can't have a deal. If they don't, then so be it we have no choice but to proceed without one.
https://twitter.com/DLidington/status/1155149491764436994
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And not wanting to be in a customs union in all but name which gives us the overwhelming majority of benefits with barely any of the costs is bizarre.rottenborough said:
Not wanting to be a customs union with the EU, or an arrangement that is effectively a union, is economic folly of the highest order.rcs1000 said:
There's near perfect correlation between not reading the Withdrawal Agreement, and hating it.williamglenn said:
Have you read this thread?Philip_Thompson said:
It takes two to tango. We can't have a deal if the EU won't negotiate a good deal and that means no backstop.Stark_Dawning said:
Dave enabled the referendum so was entitled to make his case. Boris is ramming through No Deal, which only cranks and eccentrics on the fringe have dabbled in.Philip_Thompson said:
Now? We've got government funded propaganda for as long as I can remember, including a puff piece for Remain pre-referendum.FrancisUrquhart said:Forget the bus, we are now going to get government funded propaganda.
The new Prime Minister is planning to show Brussels he is serious about taking Britain out of the bloc without a deal by ramping up preparations.
The information push will see an everything-you-need-to-know leaflet sent to 27 million households and the broadcast of TV ads as part of a campaign which is expected to cost £10 million.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7294389/Every-home-Britain-leaflet-prepare-No-Deal-Brexit.html
The choice is the EU's to make. If they drop the backstop demands there is no reason we can't have a deal. If they don't, then so be it we have no choice but to proceed without one.
https://twitter.com/DLidington/status/1155149491764436994
Getting out of the Commission, Parliament, ECJ and the rest of it while trading freely? Isn't that what Brexiteers claimed they wanted?0 -
Utter crap. Must have been a two or three bottle lunch.Theuniondivvie said:0 -
You have a strange idea of a rant and WTF looking at the header means I have no clue. However a random answer somewhere in the thread that does not point to the post it refers to is for morons and pointless.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Although I think you can be somewhat forgiven, given it's a Cyclefree thread - but at least she tried to make it readable this time.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Tip MalkyG, try to read the thread header before you start your rantsmalcolmg said:
Tip briskin , try to point to previous post you are replying to so we do not think you are just howling at the moonJBriskinindyref2 said:Who's Vassal state would we be? The EU, Russia's or the USA's - you've not made that clear.
Unless you are lucky you just have to pass over it.1 -
At half past eleven?rottenborough said:
Utter crap. Must have been a two or three bottle lunch.Theuniondivvie said:0 -
Brunch thenwilliamglenn said:
At half past eleven?rottenborough said:
Utter crap. Must have been a two or three bottle lunch.Theuniondivvie said:0 -
Brexit is the Monorail and Boris is Lyle Lanley. It’s about to crash and Homer is still looking for an anchor.The_Taxman said:
The hunch is correct. The Brexit supporting media who instigated the ousting of May by giving coverage to the Brexit party in the run up to the European elections are trying to sell us their creation. I think they misjudge people as it is easy to spot the flaws in Boris Johnson. Some people like him at the moment despite his personal inability to execute the role as PM. However, overtime people who currently support him will turn on him and these flaws will be amplified and will metamorphose into objections.AndyJS said:0 -
LOL - I do agree Cyclefree's thread's can be hard work.malcolmg said:
You have a strange idea of a rant and WTF looking at the header means I have no clue. However a random answer somewhere in the thread that does not point to the post it refers to is for morons and pointless.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Although I think you can be somewhat forgiven, given it's a Cyclefree thread - but at least she tried to make it readable this time.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Tip MalkyG, try to read the thread header before you start your rantsmalcolmg said:
Tip briskin , try to point to previous post you are replying to so we do not think you are just howling at the moonJBriskinindyref2 said:Who's Vassal state would we be? The EU, Russia's or the USA's - you've not made that clear.
Unless you are lucky you just have to pass over it.0 -
No he is a complete pr!ck.Theuniondivvie said:
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You guys should stop carping.. and if you think you can do better, submit a thread to the site owner. I am sure your comments will not be in the least bit as illuminating at the thread itself.JBriskinindyref2 said:
LOL - I do agree Cyclefree's thread's can be hard work.malcolmg said:
You have a strange idea of a rant and WTF looking at the header means I have no clue. However a random answer somewhere in the thread that does not point to the post it refers to is for morons and pointless.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Although I think you can be somewhat forgiven, given it's a Cyclefree thread - but at least she tried to make it readable this time.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Tip MalkyG, try to read the thread header before you start your rantsmalcolmg said:
Tip briskin , try to point to previous post you are replying to so we do not think you are just howling at the moonJBriskinindyref2 said:Who's Vassal state would we be? The EU, Russia's or the USA's - you've not made that clear.
Unless you are lucky you just have to pass over it.0 -
"(*Yeah: I made that bit up. No filthy foreign Commie songs for global Britain. Still, the wartime meme will insist on breaking out and La Pasionaria’s cry that it is better to die on one’s feet than live on one’s knees should surely be appropriate for a country free at last and not a Vassal State, no sirree.)"
For Malky and possible other's benefit - I'm made two comments relating to this paragraph.0 -
So the OMRLP is second?YBarddCwsc said:
I'll take the bait. My guess is the poll ordering goes something like:ydoethur said:
The Official Monster Raving Loony Party on about 20%.YBarddCwsc said:
Well, then, more remain doesn't seem to fit the tease:Recidivist said:
The last welsh poll showed a big swing to remain.kle4 said:
Now that's an epic tease.williamglenn said:
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/remain-10-percentage-point-lead-16527262
"The results go well beyond ‘gosh’ territory, or even ‘blimey’: by some way the most dramatic poll I have ever analysed."
If this poll just shows the same trend as the last poll, then it isn't "gosh" territory or even "blimey" territory !
My guess is it is a historic low for Labour, and probably shows them in 3rd place as their Leave and Remain voters switch to TBP and the LDs/PC.
And Lord Sutch's mob above them in third?
1. Plaid Cymru
2. TBP
3. Labour
4. Tories
5. LibDems.
This is the result from the Euros, but with the top two switched.
It gives Roger Awan-Scully his "gosh" factor as it is the first time PC have ever topped an All-Wales poll. 0 -
Yeah okay, I will,SquareRoot said:
You guys should stop carping.. and if you think you can do better, submit a thread to the site owner. I am sure your comments will not be in the least bit as illuminating at the thread itself.JBriskinindyref2 said:
LOL - I do agree Cyclefree's thread's can be hard work.malcolmg said:
You have a strange idea of a rant and WTF looking at the header means I have no clue. However a random answer somewhere in the thread that does not point to the post it refers to is for morons and pointless.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Although I think you can be somewhat forgiven, given it's a Cyclefree thread - but at least she tried to make it readable this time.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Tip MalkyG, try to read the thread header before you start your rantsmalcolmg said:
Tip briskin , try to point to previous post you are replying to so we do not think you are just howling at the moonJBriskinindyref2 said:Who's Vassal state would we be? The EU, Russia's or the USA's - you've not made that clear.
Unless you are lucky you just have to pass over it.
What's the remit - I work better under constraints0 -
DougSeal said:
Brexit is the Monorail and Boris is Lyle Lanley. It’s about to crash and Homer is still looking for an anchor.The_Taxman said:
The hunch is correct. The Brexit supporting media who instigated the ousting of May by giving coverage to the Brexit party in the run up to the European elections are trying to sell us their creation. I think they misjudge people as it is easy to spot the flaws in Boris Johnson. Some people like him at the moment despite his personal inability to execute the role as PM. However, overtime people who currently support him will turn on him and these flaws will be amplified and will metamorphose into objections.AndyJS said:
As things stand at the moment it's very hard to see how Johnson's premiership can last beyond the end of October. If we don't leave he's stuffed and if we leave without a deal he is also stuffed. And those seem to be the only available options now.DougSeal said:
Brexit is the Monorail and Boris is Lyle Lanley. It’s about to crash and Homer is still looking for an anchor.The_Taxman said:
The hunch is correct. The Brexit supporting media who instigated the ousting of May by giving coverage to the Brexit party in the run up to the European elections are trying to sell us their creation. I think they misjudge people as it is easy to spot the flaws in Boris Johnson. Some people like him at the moment despite his personal inability to execute the role as PM. However, overtime people who currently support him will turn on him and these flaws will be amplified and will metamorphose into objections.AndyJS said:0 -
+1 I have never thought much of him. When he was a Goat and able to decide things he only stuck at it for a year IIRC. What does he bring to the House of Lords I ask myself?surbiton19 said:0 -
He gets a 'lipstick on a pig' deal through the Commons using Lab leavers (and those who don't want a GE now)?anothernick said:DougSeal said:
Brexit is the Monorail and Boris is Lyle Lanley. It’s about to crash and Homer is still looking for an anchor.The_Taxman said:
The hunch is correct. The Brexit supporting media who instigated the ousting of May by giving coverage to the Brexit party in the run up to the European elections are trying to sell us their creation. I think they misjudge people as it is easy to spot the flaws in Boris Johnson. Some people like him at the moment despite his personal inability to execute the role as PM. However, overtime people who currently support him will turn on him and these flaws will be amplified and will metamorphose into objections.AndyJS said:
As things stand at the moment it's very hard to see how Johnson's premiership can last beyond the end of October. If we don't leave he's stuffed and if we leave without a deal he is also stuffed. And those seem to be the only available options now.DougSeal said:
Brexit is the Monorail and Boris is Lyle Lanley. It’s about to crash and Homer is still looking for an anchor.The_Taxman said:
The hunch is correct. The Brexit supporting media who instigated the ousting of May by giving coverage to the Brexit party in the run up to the European elections are trying to sell us their creation. I think they misjudge people as it is easy to spot the flaws in Boris Johnson. Some people like him at the moment despite his personal inability to execute the role as PM. However, overtime people who currently support him will turn on him and these flaws will be amplified and will metamorphose into objections.AndyJS said:0 -
The veneer is really coming off brand UK.
Half the country still think it’s 1945 .
And are lapping up the Bozo UK Tour , aided by a right wing press . Even Putin would be happy with the level of fawning afforded by the so called free press.
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A hearty appetite?The_Taxman said:
+1 I have never thought much of him. When he was a Goat and able to decide things he only stuck at it for a year IIRC. What does he bring to the House of Lords I ask myself?surbiton19 said:0 -
Britain will only move on when the Brexit supporting media dial down the Brexit issue. The Daily Mail, Daily Telegraph, The Sun and The Daily Express keep turning the knife in the British body politic. Maybe Johnson has to fail for them to move on, no disruption to the economy is worthwhile and even Johnson is going to have to choose between reality and fantasy as will his media outriders...DougSeal said:
Brexit is the Monorail and Boris is Lyle Lanley. It’s about to crash and Homer is still looking for an anchor.The_Taxman said:
The hunch is correct. The Brexit supporting media who instigated the ousting of May by giving coverage to the Brexit party in the run up to the European elections are trying to sell us their creation. I think they misjudge people as it is easy to spot the flaws in Boris Johnson. Some people like him at the moment despite his personal inability to execute the role as PM. However, overtime people who currently support him will turn on him and these flaws will be amplified and will metamorphose into objections.AndyJS said:0 -
You see, without all those extra pounds of padding on you, you've gone nesh!Big_G_NorthWales said:What a change in the weather. Just put the heating on
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As long as he actually wins the election who cares!AndyJS said: 0 -
As good as Baron Eatwell ?rottenborough said:
A hearty appetite?The_Taxman said:
+1 I have never thought much of him. When he was a Goat and able to decide things he only stuck at it for a year IIRC. What does he bring to the House of Lords I ask myself?surbiton19 said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Eatwell,_Baron_Eatwell
A positively Dickensian name for a member of the HoLs.0 -
As things stand at the moment it's very hard to see how Johnson's premiership can last beyond the end of October. If we don't leave he's stuffed and if we leave without a deal he is also stuffed. And those seem to be the only available options now.DougSeal said:
Brexit is the Monorail and Boris is Lyle Lanley. It’s about to crash and Homer is still looking for an anchor.The_Taxman said:
The hunch is correct. The Brexit supporting media who instigated the ousting of May by giving coverage to the Brexit party in the run up to the European elections are trying to sell us their creation. I think they misjudge people as it is easy to spot the flaws in Boris Johnson. Some people like him at the moment despite his personal inability to execute the role as PM. However, overtime people who currently support him will turn on him and these flaws will be amplified and will metamorphose into objections.AndyJS said:
You are overlooking the fact that Boris will do anything to ensure he stays in office
Expect a massive fudge along the way0 -
Big_G_NorthWales said:
What a change in the weather. Just put the heating on
It's like November out there Big G.
Hope you amd Mrs G are able to keep warm. 0 -
For one thing I doubt Gove is actually doing any implementation himself, there is a chain of command and other people will be doing the implementations.OldKingCole said:
If you're in a meeting, you're probably not actually any implementation.Philip_Thompson said:
Identify problems, identify solutions, implement solutions.OldKingCole said:
To what purpose. There is no point in reporting back on something daily unless one is talking about actual warfare.williamglenn said:
If there are no problems to identify then we're ready to leave.
For another I imagine that the meetings might be with different departments or on different subjects on different days. So today might hypothetically be a meeting to discuss preparedness of the NHS which identifies an issue regarding medicine ABC, tomorrow might be a meeting to discuss preparedness of DEFRA which identifies issue XYZ, so on and so forth, a week later you might get an update on the state of dealing with issues ABC and XYZ etc0 -
Can someone please help me? It has been reported today that the Gov't majority with DUP may shortly fall to zero if someone else is charged. Why? Because the Cons whip would be removed.
But surely this is a phantom fall? The two new independents would surely still be MPs and, presumably, still vote with the Conservatives?0 -
Exactly . It’s just the press trying to be over dramatic .Mysticrose said:Can someone please help me? It has been reported today that the Gov't majority with DUP may shortly fall to zero if someone else is charged. Why? Because the Cons whip would be removed.
But surely this is a phantom fall? The two new independents would surely still be MPs and, presumably, still vote with the Conservatives?1 -
Opposition politicians can fight the "right wing press". If they do not do that just adopt a newspapers policy on X. The LD for instance can just jettison it as they are unlikely to ever win a majority and have to implement it. It is pretty simple and will be affective....nico67 said:The veneer is really coming off brand UK.
Half the country still think it’s 1945 .
And are lapping up the Bozo UK Tour , aided by a right wing press . Even Putin would be happy with the level of fawning afforded by the so called free press.0 -
What do you mean by you guys you half witted cretin. I was chastising Brisket for being a moron. Along comes another one that cannot readSquareRoot said:
You guys should stop carping.. and if you think you can do better, submit a thread to the site owner. I am sure your comments will not be in the least bit as illuminating at the thread itself.JBriskinindyref2 said:
LOL - I do agree Cyclefree's thread's can be hard work.malcolmg said:
You have a strange idea of a rant and WTF looking at the header means I have no clue. However a random answer somewhere in the thread that does not point to the post it refers to is for morons and pointless.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Although I think you can be somewhat forgiven, given it's a Cyclefree thread - but at least she tried to make it readable this time.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Tip MalkyG, try to read the thread header before you start your rantsmalcolmg said:
Tip briskin , try to point to previous post you are replying to so we do not think you are just howling at the moonJBriskinindyref2 said:Who's Vassal state would we be? The EU, Russia's or the USA's - you've not made that clear.
Unless you are lucky you just have to pass over it.
and spouts bollocks. Get stuffed you thicko.1 -
Thanks Gin.GIN1138 said:Big_G_NorthWales said:What a change in the weather. Just put the heating on
It's like November out there Big G.
Hope you amd Mrs G are able to keep warm.
We keep warm in our twilight years by enjoying being together and having our loved ones close by, and social media helps to keep our eldest and his wife close even though they are in Vancouver
We have so much to be grateful for and are very conscious of our good fortune1 -
My go.YBarddCwsc said:
I'll take the bait. My guess is the poll ordering goes something like:ydoethur said:
The Official Monster Raving Loony Party on about 20%.YBarddCwsc said:
Well, then, more remain doesn't seem to fit the tease:Recidivist said:
The last welsh poll showed a big swing to remain.kle4 said:
Now that's an epic tease.williamglenn said:
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/remain-10-percentage-point-lead-16527262
"The results go well beyond ‘gosh’ territory, or even ‘blimey’: by some way the most dramatic poll I have ever analysed."
If this poll just shows the same trend as the last poll, then it isn't "gosh" territory or even "blimey" territory !
My guess is it is a historic low for Labour, and probably shows them in 3rd place as their Leave and Remain voters switch to TBP and the LDs/PC.
And Lord Sutch's mob above them in third?
1. Plaid Cymru
2. TBP
3. Labour
4. Tories
5. LibDems.
This is the result from the Euros, but with the top two switched.
It gives Roger Awan-Scully his "gosh" factor as it is the first time PC have ever topped an All-Wales poll.
1. Tories
2. PC
3. Labour
4. Lib Dems
5. BXP
Though it wouldn't surprise me if Lib Dems were 2nd or 3rd.0 -
Possibly but our temp is 30 degrees down from Friday - 87 v 57MarqueeMark said:
You see, without all those extra pounds of padding on you, you've gone nesh!Big_G_NorthWales said:What a change in the weather. Just put the heating on
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Yep, the Brexif Bus apparently arrived Friday and has been abandoned in a layby.surbiton19 said:
The Labour candidate has been seen out on his own, but otherwise no obvious campaign. The LDs reckon they have the backing of even Labour members.
Bozo may not be brave enough to visit, but he has written an awful lot of direct mail letters warning voters that if they don't vote Tory they will get a LibDem MP. The Tories are also out doing mass canvasses.
Since the campaign started there has apparently been a steady flow of Tory remainers to the LibDems and another from BXP to Tory. The ascent of Bozo may have accelerated the latter but otherwise there isnt yet any sign of a Bozo bounce. In particular he isn't doing anything for Tory remainers, and I spoke to a few of these today.
The Tories will have to adapt to their changing support base, which the country landowner types who run the Tories in these parts might find difficult.
I think a LibDem win but not overwhelming.0 -
YesSandpit said:Does anyone still think that F1 is boring?
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YesMysticrose said:Can someone please help me? It has been reported today that the Gov't majority with DUP may shortly fall to zero if someone else is charged. Why? Because the Cons whip would be removed.
But surely this is a phantom fall? The two new independents would surely still be MPs and, presumably, still vote with the Conservatives?0 -
... and even if the polls are pretty accurate, extrapolating to seats is much more dodgy when 4 parties are within a few percent of each other.StuartDickson said:
It’s funny how we all get excited, or worried, about polls. I do too, despite knowing full well that polls this far out from Polling Day bear only a passing resemblance to the actual results.NickPalmer said:Anecdata department - a fellow-councillor and I went out for a couple of hours on doorsteps this morning, mainly to work towards fulfilling a promise to stay in touch and ask about local issues if we won.
But we mostly also asked people how they'd vote in a GE. Labour was marginally up on the local elections, but by far the most frequent reply was "I honestly have no idea". Some may have been shy of telling us, but most seemed entirely frank. I doubt if anyone can rely on polls at the moment.
Why do we all do it? I think it’s because polls give a semblance of science to a sphere that is really more of an art. We don’t trust our own powers of criticism, so we farm off judgement to some pseudo scientists.0 -
Hey Malc - it is the sabbath !!!!!!malcolmg said:
What do you mean by you guys you half witted cretin. I was chastising Brisket for being a moron. Along comes another one that cannot readSquareRoot said:
You guys should stop carping.. and if you think you can do better, submit a thread to the site owner. I am sure your comments will not be in the least bit as illuminating at the thread itself.JBriskinindyref2 said:
LOL - I do agree Cyclefree's thread's can be hard work.malcolmg said:
You have a strange idea of a rant and WTF looking at the header means I have no clue. However a random answer somewhere in the thread that does not point to the post it refers to is for morons and pointless.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Although I think you can be somewhat forgiven, given it's a Cyclefree thread - but at least she tried to make it readable this time.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Tip MalkyG, try to read the thread header before you start your rantsmalcolmg said:
Tip briskin , try to point to previous post you are replying to so we do not think you are just howling at the moonJBriskinindyref2 said:Who's Vassal state would we be? The EU, Russia's or the USA's - you've not made that clear.
Unless you are lucky you just have to pass over it.
and spouts bollocks. Get stuffed you thicko.1 -
Good evening Malc.malcolmg said:
What do you mean by you guys you half witted cretin. I was chastising Brisket for being a moron. Along comes another one that cannot readSquareRoot said:
You guys should stop carping.. and if you think you can do better, submit a thread to the site owner. I am sure your comments will not be in the least bit as illuminating at the thread itself.JBriskinindyref2 said:
LOL - I do agree Cyclefree's thread's can be hard work.malcolmg said:
You have a strange idea of a rant and WTF looking at the header means I have no clue. However a random answer somewhere in the thread that does not point to the post it refers to is for morons and pointless.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Although I think you can be somewhat forgiven, given it's a Cyclefree thread - but at least she tried to make it readable this time.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Tip MalkyG, try to read the thread header before you start your rantsmalcolmg said:
Tip briskin , try to point to previous post you are replying to so we do not think you are just howling at the moonJBriskinindyref2 said:Who's Vassal state would we be? The EU, Russia's or the USA's - you've not made that clear.
Unless you are lucky you just have to pass over it.
and spouts bollocks. Get stuffed you thicko. 0 -
Okay here's my thread header that I scribbled on the full moon but didn't bother bothering Mike with-
The Biggest Side Show in History
Brexit is the biggest side show in history. A farce of a democracy and a large bureaucratic expense its benign malign influence was rarely felt by the average citizen; the EU was and is simply a capitalist supra-national body to facilitate trade.
Indyref1 and the upcoming 2 are quite a different matter.
England and Scotland have been joined since James I of England & VI of Scotland in 1603 before the Glorious Revolution and the now active Act of Union in 1707.
Although all my life people up here have thought of themselves as Scottish first and British second, an independent Scotland was seen as being deeply unpragmatic by the famously described "canny" populous.
This changed with Tony Blair's devolution settlement leading, after a decade of relative calmness, albeit with silly headline grabbing "Free Uni", SNP election wins (they promised more free stuff; err, canny, I guess). The "sophisticated Scottish electorate" (copywrite Curtice) have voted nationalist* for over a decade now.
*nice "civic nationalism" obviously, not nasty "BNP-style nationalism.
The UK, having recently voted for its own independence, is now to consider splitting itself in two.
First Minister of Scotland Nicola Sturgeon has made it clear she wants indyref2 to happen in 2020 (little more than 5 years after the first; sore loser syndrome existed before the term "remoaners" entered the lexicon.)
The battle for unity on this small island of the north atlantic is to begin again shortly.
Are you ready?
[There are currently no betting markets that relate to an independent Scotland but one would expect Sterling to be affected]0 -
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Apolgies G, some of these idiots just make you lose the plot.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Hey Malc - it is the sabbath !!!!!!malcolmg said:
What do you mean by you guys you half witted cretin. I was chastising Brisket for being a moron. Along comes another one that cannot readSquareRoot said:
You guys should stop carping.. and if you think you can do better, submit a thread to the site owner. I am sure your comments will not be in the least bit as illuminating at the thread itself.JBriskinindyref2 said:
LOL - I do agree Cyclefree's thread's can be hard work.malcolmg said:
You have a strange idea of a rant and WTF looking at the header means I have no clue. However a random answer somewhere in the thread that does not point to the post it refers to is for morons and pointless.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Although I think you can be somewhat forgiven, given it's a Cyclefree thread - but at least she tried to make it readable this time.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Tip MalkyG, try to read the thread header before you start your rantsmalcolmg said:
Tip briskin , try to point to previous post you are replying to so we do not think you are just howling at the moonJBriskinindyref2 said:Who's Vassal state would we be? The EU, Russia's or the USA's - you've not made that clear.
Unless you are lucky you just have to pass over it.
and spouts bollocks. Get stuffed you thicko.0 -
Evening Gin, Hope all well with your goodself.GIN1138 said:
Good evening Malc.malcolmg said:
What do you mean by you guys you half witted cretin. I was chastising Brisket for being a moron. Along comes another one that cannot readSquareRoot said:
You guys should stop carping.. and if you think you can do better, submit a thread to the site owner. I am sure your comments will not be in the least bit as illuminating at the thread itself.JBriskinindyref2 said:
LOL - I do agree Cyclefree's thread's can be hard work.malcolmg said:
You have a strange idea of a rant and WTF looking at the header means I have no clue. However a random answer somewhere in the thread that does not point to the post it refers to is for morons and pointless.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Although I think you can be somewhat forgiven, given it's a Cyclefree thread - but at least she tried to make it readable this time.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Tip MalkyG, try to read the thread header before you start your rantsmalcolmg said:
Tip briskin , try to point to previous post you are replying to so we do not think you are just howling at the moonJBriskinindyref2 said:Who's Vassal state would we be? The EU, Russia's or the USA's - you've not made that clear.
Unless you are lucky you just have to pass over it.
and spouts bollocks. Get stuffed you thicko.1 -
Do voters in B+R really need the PM to tell them that if they don't vote Tory they'll get a LD MP?IanB2 said:
Yep, the Brexif Bus apparently arrived Friday and has been abandoned in a layby.surbiton19 said:
The Labour candidate has been seen out on his own, but otherwise no obvious campaign. The LDs reckon they have the backing of even Labour members.
Bozo may not be brave enough to visit, but he has written an awful lot of direct mail letters warning voters that if they don't vote Tory they will get a LibDem MP. The Tories are also out doing mass canvasses.
Since the campaign started there has apparently been a steady flow of Tory remainers to the LibDems and another from BXP to Tory. The ascent of Bozo may have accelerated the latter but otherwise there isnt yet any sign of a Bozo bounce. In particular he isn't doing anything for Tory remainers, and I spoke to a few of these today.
The Tories will have to adapt to their changing support base, which the country landowner types who run the Tories in these parts might find difficult.
I think a LibDem win but not overwhelming.0 -
Good summary Briskin , you have a few brain cells working I see. The die are cast, UK NO More is coming.JBriskinindyref2 said:Okay here's my thread header that I scribbled on the full moon but didn't bother bothering Mike with-
The Biggest Side Show in History
Brexit is the biggest side show in history. A farce of a democracy and a large bureaucratic expense its benign malign influence was rarely felt by the average citizen; the EU was and is simply a capitalist supra-national body to facilitate trade.
Indyref1 and the upcoming 2 are quite a different matter.
England and Scotland have been joined since James I of England & VI of Scotland in 1603 before the Glorious Revolution and the now active Act of Union in 1707.
Although all my life people up here have thought of themselves as Scottish first and British second, an independent Scotland was seen as being deeply unpragmatic by the famously described "canny" populous.
This changed with Tony Blair's devolution settlement leading, after a decade of relative calmness, albeit with silly headline grabbing "Free Uni", SNP election wins (they promised more free stuff; err, canny, I guess). The "sophisticated Scottish electorate" (copywrite Curtice) have voted nationalist* for over a decade now.
*nice "civic nationalism" obviously, not nasty "BNP-style nationalism.
The UK, having recently voted for its own independence, is now to consider splitting itself in two.
First Minister of Scotland Nicola Sturgeon has made it clear she wants indyref2 to happen in 2020 (little more than 5 years after the first; sore loser syndrome existed before the term "remoaners" entered the lexicon.)
The battle for unity on this small island of the north atlantic is to begin again shortly.
Are you ready?
[There are currently no betting markets that relate to an independent Scotland but one would expect Sterling to be affected]0 -
I guess they think the message has already got through to the non-Tories and they want to crush the BXP on the back of Bozo's no surrender strategydixiedean said:
Do voters in B+R really need the PM to tell them that if they don't vote Tory they'll get a LD MP?IanB2 said:
Yep, the Brexif Bus apparently arrived Friday and has been abandoned in a layby.surbiton19 said:
The Labour candidate has been seen out on his own, but otherwise no obvious campaign. The LDs reckon they have the backing of even Labour members.
Bozo may not be brave enough to visit, but he has written an awful lot of direct mail letters warning voters that if they don't vote Tory they will get a LibDem MP. The Tories are also out doing mass canvasses.
Since the campaign started there has apparently been a steady flow of Tory remainers to the LibDems and another from BXP to Tory. The ascent of Bozo may have accelerated the latter but otherwise there isnt yet any sign of a Bozo bounce. In particular he isn't doing anything for Tory remainers, and I spoke to a few of these today.
The Tories will have to adapt to their changing support base, which the country landowner types who run the Tories in these parts might find difficult.
I think a LibDem win but not overwhelming.
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No apology needed Malc.malcolmg said:
Apolgies G, some of these idiots just make you lose the plot.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Hey Malc - it is the sabbath !!!!!!malcolmg said:
What do you mean by you guys you half witted cretin. I was chastising Brisket for being a moron. Along comes another one that cannot readSquareRoot said:
You guys should stop carping.. and if you think you can do better, submit a thread to the site owner. I am sure your comments will not be in the least bit as illuminating at the thread itself.JBriskinindyref2 said:
LOL - I do agree Cyclefree's thread's can be hard work.malcolmg said:
You have a strange idea of a rant and WTF looking at the header means I have no clue. However a random answer somewhere in the thread that does not point to the post it refers to is for morons and pointless.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Although I think you can be somewhat forgiven, given it's a Cyclefree thread - but at least she tried to make it readable this time.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Tip MalkyG, try to read the thread header before you start your rantsmalcolmg said:
Tip briskin , try to point to previous post you are replying to so we do not think you are just howling at the moonJBriskinindyref2 said:Who's Vassal state would we be? The EU, Russia's or the USA's - you've not made that clear.
Unless you are lucky you just have to pass over it.
and spouts bollocks. Get stuffed you thicko.
We love you the way you are and at times it takes a lot of my will power not to launch full on attacks on some posters0 -
Weather's been shocking this weekend but I'm all good thanks.malcolmg said:
Evening Gin, Hope all well with your goodself.GIN1138 said:
Good evening Malc.malcolmg said:
What do you mean by you guys you half witted cretin. I was chastising Brisket for being a moron. Along comes another one that cannot readSquareRoot said:
You guys should stop carping.. and if you think you can do better, submit a thread to the site owner. I am sure your comments will not be in the least bit as illuminating at the thread itself.JBriskinindyref2 said:
LOL - I do agree Cyclefree's thread's can be hard work.malcolmg said:
You have a strange idea of a rant and WTF looking at the header means I have no clue. However a random answer somewhere in the thread that does not point to the post it refers to is for morons and pointless.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Although I think you can be somewhat forgiven, given it's a Cyclefree thread - but at least she tried to make it readable this time.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Tip MalkyG, try to read the thread header before you start your rantsmalcolmg said:
Tip briskin , try to point to previous post you are replying to so we do not think you are just howling at the moonJBriskinindyref2 said:Who's Vassal state would we be? The EU, Russia's or the USA's - you've not made that clear.
Unless you are lucky you just have to pass over it.
and spouts bollocks. Get stuffed you thicko. 0 -
Boris is more Berlusconi than May, May was more Gordon BrownAndyJS said:0 -
Yes rain horsing down here at presentGIN1138 said:
Weather's been shocking this weekend but I'm all good thanks.malcolmg said:
Evening Gin, Hope all well with your goodself.GIN1138 said:
Good evening Malc.malcolmg said:
What do you mean by you guys you half witted cretin. I was chastising Brisket for being a moron. Along comes another one that cannot readSquareRoot said:
You guys should stop carping.. and if you think you can do better, submit a thread to the site owner. I am sure your comments will not be in the least bit as illuminating at the thread itself.JBriskinindyref2 said:
LOL - I do agree Cyclefree's thread's can be hard work.malcolmg said:
You have a strange idea of a rant and WTF looking at the header means I have no clue. However a random answer somewhere in the thread that does not point to the post it refers to is for morons and pointless.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Although I think you can be somewhat forgiven, given it's a Cyclefree thread - but at least she tried to make it readable this time.JBriskinindyref2 said:
Tip MalkyG, try to read the thread header before you start your rantsmalcolmg said:
Tip briskin , try to point to previous post you are replying to so we do not think you are just howling at the moonJBriskinindyref2 said:Who's Vassal state would we be? The EU, Russia's or the USA's - you've not made that clear.
Unless you are lucky you just have to pass over it.
and spouts bollocks. Get stuffed you thicko.0 -
Brexit bus abandoned and blocking a lay by. Has some mysterious metaphor generating machine been invented?
Another triumph for British engineering!0 -
Exactly. It's bizarre that we are even debating it.rottenborough said:
Not wanting to be a customs union with the EU, or an arrangement that is effectively a union, is economic folly of the highest order.rcs1000 said:
There's near perfect correlation between not reading the Withdrawal Agreement, and hating it.williamglenn said:
Have you read this thread?Philip_Thompson said:
It takes two to tango. We can't have a deal if the EU won't negotiate a good deal and that means no backstop.Stark_Dawning said:
Dave enabled the referendum so was entitled to make his case. Boris is ramming through No Deal, which only cranks and eccentrics on the fringe have dabbled in.Philip_Thompson said:
Now? We've got government funded propaganda for as long as I can remember, including a puff piece for Remain pre-referendum.FrancisUrquhart said:Forget the bus, we are now going to get government funded propaganda.
The new Prime Minister is planning to show Brussels he is serious about taking Britain out of the bloc without a deal by ramping up preparations.
The information push will see an everything-you-need-to-know leaflet sent to 27 million households and the broadcast of TV ads as part of a campaign which is expected to cost £10 million.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7294389/Every-home-Britain-leaflet-prepare-No-Deal-Brexit.html
The choice is the EU's to make. If they drop the backstop demands there is no reason we can't have a deal. If they don't, then so be it we have no choice but to proceed without one.
https://twitter.com/DLidington/status/11551494917644369940 -
I'll take the compliments where I find them - thanks Malkymalcolmg said:
Good summary Briskin , you have a few brain cells working I see. The die are cast, UK NO More is coming.JBriskinindyref2 said:Okay here's my thread header that I scribbled on the full moon but didn't bother bothering Mike with-
The Biggest Side Show in History
Brexit is the biggest side show in history. A farce of a democracy and a large bureaucratic expense its benign malign influence was rarely felt by the average citizen; the EU was and is simply a capitalist supra-national body to facilitate trade.
Indyref1 and the upcoming 2 are quite a different matter.
England and Scotland have been joined since James I of England & VI of Scotland in 1603 before the Glorious Revolution and the now active Act of Union in 1707.
Although all my life people up here have thought of themselves as Scottish first and British second, an independent Scotland was seen as being deeply unpragmatic by the famously described "canny" populous.
This changed with Tony Blair's devolution settlement leading, after a decade of relative calmness, albeit with silly headline grabbing "Free Uni", SNP election wins (they promised more free stuff; err, canny, I guess). The "sophisticated Scottish electorate" (copywrite Curtice) have voted nationalist* for over a decade now.
*nice "civic nationalism" obviously, not nasty "BNP-style nationalism.
The UK, having recently voted for its own independence, is now to consider splitting itself in two.
First Minister of Scotland Nicola Sturgeon has made it clear she wants indyref2 to happen in 2020 (little more than 5 years after the first; sore loser syndrome existed before the term "remoaners" entered the lexicon.)
The battle for unity on this small island of the north atlantic is to begin again shortly.
Are you ready?
[There are currently no betting markets that relate to an independent Scotland but one would expect Sterling to be affected]0 -
No - they have all fled to Boris !!!!!dixiedean said:Brexit bus abandoned and blocking a lay by. Has some mysterious metaphor generating machine been invented?
Another triumph for British engineering!0 -
Lovely day in mid Wales today. Not a cloud in the sky early this morning. Warm and cloudy with sunny spells and light winds all day. Still warm this eveningGIN1138 said:Big_G_NorthWales said:What a change in the weather. Just put the heating on
It's like November out there Big G.
Hope you amd Mrs G are able to keep warm.0 -
Yes he's very much like Cameron actually which is why I like him.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Of the international comparison the best one to compare him to IMO is Ronald Reagan.0 -
Who, Boris or Berlusconi? Boris was on the liberal social left when he wanted to win in London. Not now. Priti Patel as HS? He may go there again, if it suits him, as with everything else. If you mean Berlusconi, apologies.Big_G_NorthWales said:0 -
I think we have been under the depression moving up the country as seen in the golf at Lytham and as Malc reports in Ayrshire.IanB2 said:
Lovely day in mid Wales today. Not a cloud in the sky early this morning. Warm and cloudy with sunny spells and light winds all day. Still warm this eveningGIN1138 said:Big_G_NorthWales said:What a change in the weather. Just put the heating on
It's like November out there Big G.
Hope you amd Mrs G are able to keep warm.
Is has been cold and miserable all day0 -
I am from Eastbourne and was in town the afternoon of the by election there caused by the death of Ian Gow. A liberal I knew who had been campaigning said they'd put up a good effort and been rewarded with some traffic in their direction. But he said it wasn't anything spectacular and he thought there wasn't the slightest chance of doing anything more than eroding the Tory majority a bit. This was back in the 'dead parrot' days when they'd actually managed to score 0% in one opinion poll not so long before.IanB2 said:
Yep, the Brexif Bus apparently arrived Friday and has been abandoned in a layby.surbiton19 said:
The Labour candidate has been seen out on his own, but otherwise no obvious campaign. The LDs reckon they have the backing of even Labour members.
Bozo may not be brave enough to visit, but he has written an awful lot of direct mail letters warning voters that if they don't vote Tory they will get a LibDem MP. The Tories are also out doing mass canvasses.
Since the campaign started there has apparently been a steady flow of Tory remainers to the LibDems and another from BXP to Tory. The ascent of Bozo may have accelerated the latter but otherwise there isnt yet any sign of a Bozo bounce. In particular he isn't doing anything for Tory remainers, and I spoke to a few of these today.
The Tories will have to adapt to their changing support base, which the country landowner types who run the Tories in these parts might find difficult.
I think a LibDem win but not overwhelming.
As we all know they took the seat with about 4,000 votes.
It's easy to underestimate the impact of solid door knocking, not least when you are doing it. Look at what the ground game did for Labour last general election.
I was going to hazard a fiver on the Tories, but in the light of this I'll keep it in my wallet.0
