Boris' first polls are awful compared to Theresa May's. He's possibly scraping 30%. Hers were 40%.
I think we need to take a step back and look at all this another way, bracketing for a moment that pesky sideshow called Brexit.
The Conservatives have held power for 9 years. If they do win the next General Election outright they will have been in power in one form or other for between 14 and 17 years depending on the timing of the election. That would be almost on a par with the Thatcher-Major years and longer than the Blairites. Is this really likely? No.
Either bet on the apparent improbability of a Labour victory or some other make-up for other parties. But NOT on a Conservative majority.
Apples and oranges.
The Tories had been polling in the 40s earlier in 2016 and were routinely polling 36-38 in the weeks prior to May's election. So getting a bounce back into the 40s was not a mammoth task.
I think the Tories under Boris are more likely to poll above 40% than under 30% at the general election, probably high 30s like Cameron's majority-winning 2015 election.
I expect that the Conservatives' numbers will rise into the mid thirties in coming weeks.
The hunch is correct. The Brexit supporting media who instigated the ousting of May by giving coverage to the Brexit party in the run up to the European elections are trying to sell us their creation. I think they misjudge people as it is easy to spot the flaws in Boris Johnson. Some people like him at the moment despite his personal inability to execute the role as PM. However, overtime people who currently support him will turn on him and these flaws will be amplified and will metamorphose into objections.
That analysis may be right as a response to polling you don't like - sometimes hunches are......
The hunch is correct. The Brexit supporting media who instigated the ousting of May by giving coverage to the Brexit party in the run up to the European elections are trying to sell us their creation. I think they misjudge people as it is easy to spot the flaws in Boris Johnson. Some people like him at the moment despite his personal inability to execute the role as PM. However, overtime people who currently support him will turn on him and these flaws will be amplified and will metamorphose into objections.
Do you also know the lottery numbers for next week?
The hunch is correct. The Brexit supporting media who instigated the ousting of May by giving coverage to the Brexit party in the run up to the European elections are trying to sell us their creation. I think they misjudge people as it is easy to spot the flaws in Boris Johnson. Some people like him at the moment despite his personal inability to execute the role as PM. However, overtime people who currently support him will turn on him and these flaws will be amplified and will metamorphose into objections.
Do you also know the lottery numbers for next week?
No, experience over a life time and cynicism of the Tory media message.
Credit to Cycle for a shorter piece with bullets, if still right justified
I genuinely don't understand what you mean by "right justified" nor what the problem is. I type it like any normal document (from left to right) and put it into WordPress.
Anecdata department - a fellow-councillor and I went out for a couple of hours on doorsteps this morning, mainly to work towards fulfilling a promise to stay in touch and ask about local issues if we won.
But we mostly also asked people how they'd vote in a GE. Labour was marginally up on the local elections, but by far the most frequent reply was "I honestly have no idea". Some may have been shy of telling us, but most seemed entirely frank. I doubt if anyone can rely on polls at the moment.
It’s funny how we all get excited, or worried, about polls. I do too, despite knowing full well that polls this far out from Polling Day bear only a passing resemblance to the actual results.
Why do we all do it? I think it’s because polls give a semblance of science to a sphere that is really more of an art. We don’t trust our own powers of criticism, so we farm off judgement to some pseudo scientists.
Mrs May's initial footsteps were the correct ones to make, the problem is what happened afterwards. She reneged on her pledges, she was thoroughly dishonest, nobody believed a word she said, she called an unnecessary election then choked during it.
If Boris sticks with the path he is setting out for himself he can be a great success. If he chokes, retreats and it was all a facade he will fail.
Mrs May's first footsteps were hubristic. So are Boris's. Nemesis will surely follow.
Mrs May's initial footsteps were the correct ones to make, the problem is what happened afterwards. She reneged on her pledges, she was thoroughly dishonest, nobody believed a word she said, she called an unnecessary election then choked during it.
If Boris sticks with the path he is setting out for himself he can be a great success. If he chokes, retreats and it was all a facade he will fail.
Mrs May's first footsteps were hubristic. So are Boris's. Nemesis will surely follow.
With BJ we're slightly ahead as nobody believes a word he says anyway.
Do they actually learn anything new by having a meeting in a government office in Glasgow instead of a government office in London ?
And is anyone in the 'real world' impressed by it ?
Usually empty symbolism, BJ and his buds going to Glasgow the absolutely worst sort. I hope someone gets the rickshaw & loudhailer out, though I'm sure it'll be in some secret location with select fawners.
As a millennial I feel more bitter towards Gen X than Boomers. Some of the latter, like my parents, experienced rationing as children. Gen X have had a decade of ultra low interest rates to prop up house prices. But no generation is to blame really, it’s the stupid politicians who are at fault.
And who rewards those politicians? We do.
There's no point blaming people for being alive from 1950 to 2000, when economic growth was a good deal higher than today.
Ireland does not do 90% of trade with the UK. And then to add to that all this war bullshit.
Leavers not content with Brexit are intent on trashing relations with the EU. And those wallowing in the war analogies have no experience of actually living through the war but have some deluded romanticized view.
The real heroes spoke during the D Day commemorations and they’re not Brexiters .
Anecdata department - a fellow-councillor and I went out for a couple of hours on doorsteps this morning, mainly to work towards fulfilling a promise to stay in touch and ask about local issues if we won.
But we mostly also asked people how they'd vote in a GE. Labour was marginally up on the local elections, but by far the most frequent reply was "I honestly have no idea". Some may have been shy of telling us, but most seemed entirely frank. I doubt if anyone can rely on polls at the moment.
It’s funny how we all get excited, or worried, about polls. I do too, despite knowing full well that polls this far out from Polling Day bear only a passing resemblance to the actual results.
Why do we all do it? I think it’s because polls give a semblance of science to a sphere that is really more of an art. We don’t trust our own powers of criticism, so we farm off judgement to some pseudo scientists.
Ireland does not do 90% of trade with the UK. And then to add to that all this war bullshit.
Leavers not content with Brexit are intent on trashing relations with the EU. And those wallowing in the war analogies have no experience of actually living through the war but have some deluded romanticized view.
The real heroes spoke during the D Day commemorations and they’re not Brexiters .
90 % of containers exiting Ireland travel to or through the Uk.
An incredible position to put your country in over decades - so reliant on the virtually free infrastructure of a country your leader rails against daily.
Forget the bus, we are now going to get government funded propaganda.
The new Prime Minister is planning to show Brussels he is serious about taking Britain out of the bloc without a deal by ramping up preparations.
The information push will see an everything-you-need-to-know leaflet sent to 27 million households and the broadcast of TV ads as part of a campaign which is expected to cost £10 million.
Now? We've got government funded propaganda for as long as I can remember, including a puff piece for Remain pre-referendum.
Dave enabled the referendum so was entitled to make his case. Boris is ramming through No Deal, which only cranks and eccentrics on the fringe have dabbled in.
It takes two to tango. We can't have a deal if the EU won't negotiate a good deal and that means no backstop.
The choice is the EU's to make. If they drop the backstop demands there is no reason we can't have a deal. If they don't, then so be it we have no choice but to proceed without one.
Scottish Tory leader Ruth Davidson goes to war with Boris Johnson: 'I won't support no-deal Brexit'
Ms Davidson, who has previously been highly critical of Mr Johnson, added: "As leader of the party in Scotland, my position exists independently of government. I don't have to sign a no-deal pledge to continue to serve."
Scottish Tory leader Ruth Davidson goes to war with Boris Johnson: 'I won't support no-deal Brexit'
Ms Davidson, who has previously been highly critical of Mr Johnson, added: "As leader of the party in Scotland, my position exists independently of government. I don't have to sign a no-deal pledge to continue to serve."
Forget the bus, we are now going to get government funded propaganda.
The new Prime Minister is planning to show Brussels he is serious about taking Britain out of the bloc without a deal by ramping up preparations.
The information push will see an everything-you-need-to-know leaflet sent to 27 million households and the broadcast of TV ads as part of a campaign which is expected to cost £10 million.
Now? We've got government funded propaganda for as long as I can remember, including a puff piece for Remain pre-referendum.
Dave enabled the referendum so was entitled to make his case. Boris is ramming through No Deal, which only cranks and eccentrics on the fringe have dabbled in.
It takes two to tango. We can't have a deal if the EU won't negotiate a good deal and that means no backstop.
The choice is the EU's to make. If they drop the backstop demands there is no reason we can't have a deal. If they don't, then so be it we have no choice but to proceed without one.
Forget the bus, we are now going to get government funded propaganda.
The new Prime Minister is planning to show Brussels he is serious about taking Britain out of the bloc without a deal by ramping up preparations.
The information push will see an everything-you-need-to-know leaflet sent to 27 million households and the broadcast of TV ads as part of a campaign which is expected to cost £10 million.
Now? We've got government funded propaganda for as long as I can remember, including a puff piece for Remain pre-referendum.
Dave enabled the referendum so was entitled to make his case. Boris is ramming through No Deal, which only cranks and eccentrics on the fringe have dabbled in.
It takes two to tango. We can't have a deal if the EU won't negotiate a good deal and that means no backstop.
The choice is the EU's to make. If they drop the backstop demands there is no reason we can't have a deal. If they don't, then so be it we have no choice but to proceed without one.
Who's Vassal state would we be? The EU, Russia's or the USA's - you've not made that clear.
Tip briskin , try to point to previous post you are replying to so we do not think you are just howling at the moon
Tip MalkyG, try to read the thread header before you start your rants
Although I think you can be somewhat forgiven, given it's a Cyclefree thread - but at least she tried to make it readable this time.
You have a strange idea of a rant and WTF looking at the header means I have no clue. However a random answer somewhere in the thread that does not point to the post it refers to is for morons and pointless. Unless you are lucky you just have to pass over it.
The hunch is correct. The Brexit supporting media who instigated the ousting of May by giving coverage to the Brexit party in the run up to the European elections are trying to sell us their creation. I think they misjudge people as it is easy to spot the flaws in Boris Johnson. Some people like him at the moment despite his personal inability to execute the role as PM. However, overtime people who currently support him will turn on him and these flaws will be amplified and will metamorphose into objections.
Brexit is the Monorail and Boris is Lyle Lanley. It’s about to crash and Homer is still looking for an anchor.
Who's Vassal state would we be? The EU, Russia's or the USA's - you've not made that clear.
Tip briskin , try to point to previous post you are replying to so we do not think you are just howling at the moon
Tip MalkyG, try to read the thread header before you start your rants
Although I think you can be somewhat forgiven, given it's a Cyclefree thread - but at least she tried to make it readable this time.
You have a strange idea of a rant and WTF looking at the header means I have no clue. However a random answer somewhere in the thread that does not point to the post it refers to is for morons and pointless. Unless you are lucky you just have to pass over it.
LOL - I do agree Cyclefree's thread's can be hard work.
Who's Vassal state would we be? The EU, Russia's or the USA's - you've not made that clear.
Tip briskin , try to point to previous post you are replying to so we do not think you are just howling at the moon
Tip MalkyG, try to read the thread header before you start your rants
Although I think you can be somewhat forgiven, given it's a Cyclefree thread - but at least she tried to make it readable this time.
You have a strange idea of a rant and WTF looking at the header means I have no clue. However a random answer somewhere in the thread that does not point to the post it refers to is for morons and pointless. Unless you are lucky you just have to pass over it.
LOL - I do agree Cyclefree's thread's can be hard work.
You guys should stop carping.. and if you think you can do better, submit a thread to the site owner. I am sure your comments will not be in the least bit as illuminating at the thread itself.
"(*Yeah: I made that bit up. No filthy foreign Commie songs for global Britain. Still, the wartime meme will insist on breaking out and La Pasionaria’s cry that it is better to die on one’s feet than live on one’s knees should surely be appropriate for a country free at last and not a Vassal State, no sirree.)"
For Malky and possible other's benefit - I'm made two comments relating to this paragraph.
Who's Vassal state would we be? The EU, Russia's or the USA's - you've not made that clear.
Tip briskin , try to point to previous post you are replying to so we do not think you are just howling at the moon
Tip MalkyG, try to read the thread header before you start your rants
Although I think you can be somewhat forgiven, given it's a Cyclefree thread - but at least she tried to make it readable this time.
You have a strange idea of a rant and WTF looking at the header means I have no clue. However a random answer somewhere in the thread that does not point to the post it refers to is for morons and pointless. Unless you are lucky you just have to pass over it.
LOL - I do agree Cyclefree's thread's can be hard work.
You guys should stop carping.. and if you think you can do better, submit a thread to the site owner. I am sure your comments will not be in the least bit as illuminating at the thread itself.
Yeah okay, I will,
What's the remit - I work better under constraints
The hunch is correct. The Brexit supporting media who instigated the ousting of May by giving coverage to the Brexit party in the run up to the European elections are trying to sell us their creation. I think they misjudge people as it is easy to spot the flaws in Boris Johnson. Some people like him at the moment despite his personal inability to execute the role as PM. However, overtime people who currently support him will turn on him and these flaws will be amplified and will metamorphose into objections.
Brexit is the Monorail and Boris is Lyle Lanley. It’s about to crash and Homer is still looking for an anchor.
The hunch is correct. The Brexit supporting media who instigated the ousting of May by giving coverage to the Brexit party in the run up to the European elections are trying to sell us their creation. I think they misjudge people as it is easy to spot the flaws in Boris Johnson. Some people like him at the moment despite his personal inability to execute the role as PM. However, overtime people who currently support him will turn on him and these flaws will be amplified and will metamorphose into objections.
Brexit is the Monorail and Boris is Lyle Lanley. It’s about to crash and Homer is still looking for an anchor.
As things stand at the moment it's very hard to see how Johnson's premiership can last beyond the end of October. If we don't leave he's stuffed and if we leave without a deal he is also stuffed. And those seem to be the only available options now.
+1 I have never thought much of him. When he was a Goat and able to decide things he only stuck at it for a year IIRC. What does he bring to the House of Lords I ask myself?
The hunch is correct. The Brexit supporting media who instigated the ousting of May by giving coverage to the Brexit party in the run up to the European elections are trying to sell us their creation. I think they misjudge people as it is easy to spot the flaws in Boris Johnson. Some people like him at the moment despite his personal inability to execute the role as PM. However, overtime people who currently support him will turn on him and these flaws will be amplified and will metamorphose into objections.
Brexit is the Monorail and Boris is Lyle Lanley. It’s about to crash and Homer is still looking for an anchor.
The hunch is correct. The Brexit supporting media who instigated the ousting of May by giving coverage to the Brexit party in the run up to the European elections are trying to sell us their creation. I think they misjudge people as it is easy to spot the flaws in Boris Johnson. Some people like him at the moment despite his personal inability to execute the role as PM. However, overtime people who currently support him will turn on him and these flaws will be amplified and will metamorphose into objections.
Brexit is the Monorail and Boris is Lyle Lanley. It’s about to crash and Homer is still looking for an anchor.
As things stand at the moment it's very hard to see how Johnson's premiership can last beyond the end of October. If we don't leave he's stuffed and if we leave without a deal he is also stuffed. And those seem to be the only available options now.
He gets a 'lipstick on a pig' deal through the Commons using Lab leavers (and those who don't want a GE now)?
And are lapping up the Bozo UK Tour , aided by a right wing press . Even Putin would be happy with the level of fawning afforded by the so called free press.
+1 I have never thought much of him. When he was a Goat and able to decide things he only stuck at it for a year IIRC. What does he bring to the House of Lords I ask myself?
The hunch is correct. The Brexit supporting media who instigated the ousting of May by giving coverage to the Brexit party in the run up to the European elections are trying to sell us their creation. I think they misjudge people as it is easy to spot the flaws in Boris Johnson. Some people like him at the moment despite his personal inability to execute the role as PM. However, overtime people who currently support him will turn on him and these flaws will be amplified and will metamorphose into objections.
Brexit is the Monorail and Boris is Lyle Lanley. It’s about to crash and Homer is still looking for an anchor.
Britain will only move on when the Brexit supporting media dial down the Brexit issue. The Daily Mail, Daily Telegraph, The Sun and The Daily Express keep turning the knife in the British body politic. Maybe Johnson has to fail for them to move on, no disruption to the economy is worthwhile and even Johnson is going to have to choose between reality and fantasy as will his media outriders...
+1 I have never thought much of him. When he was a Goat and able to decide things he only stuck at it for a year IIRC. What does he bring to the House of Lords I ask myself?
The hunch is correct. The Brexit supporting media who instigated the ousting of May by giving coverage to the Brexit party in the run up to the European elections are trying to sell us their creation. I think they misjudge people as it is easy to spot the flaws in Boris Johnson. Some people like him at the moment despite his personal inability to execute the role as PM. However, overtime people who currently support him will turn on him and these flaws will be amplified and will metamorphose into objections.
Brexit is the Monorail and Boris is Lyle Lanley. It’s about to crash and Homer is still looking for an anchor.
As things stand at the moment it's very hard to see how Johnson's premiership can last beyond the end of October. If we don't leave he's stuffed and if we leave without a deal he is also stuffed. And those seem to be the only available options now.
You are overlooking the fact that Boris will do anything to ensure he stays in office
If there are no problems to identify then we're ready to leave.
If you're in a meeting, you're probably not actually any implementation.
For one thing I doubt Gove is actually doing any implementation himself, there is a chain of command and other people will be doing the implementations.
For another I imagine that the meetings might be with different departments or on different subjects on different days. So today might hypothetically be a meeting to discuss preparedness of the NHS which identifies an issue regarding medicine ABC, tomorrow might be a meeting to discuss preparedness of DEFRA which identifies issue XYZ, so on and so forth, a week later you might get an update on the state of dealing with issues ABC and XYZ etc
Can someone please help me? It has been reported today that the Gov't majority with DUP may shortly fall to zero if someone else is charged. Why? Because the Cons whip would be removed.
But surely this is a phantom fall? The two new independents would surely still be MPs and, presumably, still vote with the Conservatives?
Can someone please help me? It has been reported today that the Gov't majority with DUP may shortly fall to zero if someone else is charged. Why? Because the Cons whip would be removed.
But surely this is a phantom fall? The two new independents would surely still be MPs and, presumably, still vote with the Conservatives?
Exactly . It’s just the press trying to be over dramatic .
And are lapping up the Bozo UK Tour , aided by a right wing press . Even Putin would be happy with the level of fawning afforded by the so called free press.
Opposition politicians can fight the "right wing press". If they do not do that just adopt a newspapers policy on X. The LD for instance can just jettison it as they are unlikely to ever win a majority and have to implement it. It is pretty simple and will be affective....
Who's Vassal state would we be? The EU, Russia's or the USA's - you've not made that clear.
Tip briskin , try to point to previous post you are replying to so we do not think you are just howling at the moon
Tip MalkyG, try to read the thread header before you start your rants
Although I think you can be somewhat forgiven, given it's a Cyclefree thread - but at least she tried to make it readable this time.
You have a strange idea of a rant and WTF looking at the header means I have no clue. However a random answer somewhere in the thread that does not point to the post it refers to is for morons and pointless. Unless you are lucky you just have to pass over it.
LOL - I do agree Cyclefree's thread's can be hard work.
You guys should stop carping.. and if you think you can do better, submit a thread to the site owner. I am sure your comments will not be in the least bit as illuminating at the thread itself.
What do you mean by you guys you half witted cretin. I was chastising Brisket for being a moron. Along comes another one that cannot read and spouts bollocks. Get stuffed you thicko.
What a change in the weather. Just put the heating on
It's like November out there Big G.
Hope you amd Mrs G are able to keep warm.
Thanks Gin.
We keep warm in our twilight years by enjoying being together and having our loved ones close by, and social media helps to keep our eldest and his wife close even though they are in Vancouver
We have so much to be grateful for and are very conscious of our good fortune
Yep, the Brexif Bus apparently arrived Friday and has been abandoned in a layby.
The Labour candidate has been seen out on his own, but otherwise no obvious campaign. The LDs reckon they have the backing of even Labour members.
Bozo may not be brave enough to visit, but he has written an awful lot of direct mail letters warning voters that if they don't vote Tory they will get a LibDem MP. The Tories are also out doing mass canvasses.
Since the campaign started there has apparently been a steady flow of Tory remainers to the LibDems and another from BXP to Tory. The ascent of Bozo may have accelerated the latter but otherwise there isnt yet any sign of a Bozo bounce. In particular he isn't doing anything for Tory remainers, and I spoke to a few of these today.
The Tories will have to adapt to their changing support base, which the country landowner types who run the Tories in these parts might find difficult.
Can someone please help me? It has been reported today that the Gov't majority with DUP may shortly fall to zero if someone else is charged. Why? Because the Cons whip would be removed.
But surely this is a phantom fall? The two new independents would surely still be MPs and, presumably, still vote with the Conservatives?
Anecdata department - a fellow-councillor and I went out for a couple of hours on doorsteps this morning, mainly to work towards fulfilling a promise to stay in touch and ask about local issues if we won.
But we mostly also asked people how they'd vote in a GE. Labour was marginally up on the local elections, but by far the most frequent reply was "I honestly have no idea". Some may have been shy of telling us, but most seemed entirely frank. I doubt if anyone can rely on polls at the moment.
It’s funny how we all get excited, or worried, about polls. I do too, despite knowing full well that polls this far out from Polling Day bear only a passing resemblance to the actual results.
Why do we all do it? I think it’s because polls give a semblance of science to a sphere that is really more of an art. We don’t trust our own powers of criticism, so we farm off judgement to some pseudo scientists.
... and even if the polls are pretty accurate, extrapolating to seats is much more dodgy when 4 parties are within a few percent of each other.
Who's Vassal state would we be? The EU, Russia's or the USA's - you've not made that clear.
Tip briskin , try to point to previous post you are replying to so we do not think you are just howling at the moon
Tip MalkyG, try to read the thread header before you start your rants
Although I think you can be somewhat forgiven, given it's a Cyclefree thread - but at least she tried to make it readable this time.
You have a strange idea of a rant and WTF looking at the header means I have no clue. However a random answer somewhere in the thread that does not point to the post it refers to is for morons and pointless. Unless you are lucky you just have to pass over it.
LOL - I do agree Cyclefree's thread's can be hard work.
You guys should stop carping.. and if you think you can do better, submit a thread to the site owner. I am sure your comments will not be in the least bit as illuminating at the thread itself.
What do you mean by you guys you half witted cretin. I was chastising Brisket for being a moron. Along comes another one that cannot read and spouts bollocks. Get stuffed you thicko.
Who's Vassal state would we be? The EU, Russia's or the USA's - you've not made that clear.
Tip briskin , try to point to previous post you are replying to so we do not think you are just howling at the moon
Tip MalkyG, try to read the thread header before you start your rants
Although I think you can be somewhat forgiven, given it's a Cyclefree thread - but at least she tried to make it readable this time.
You have a strange idea of a rant and WTF looking at the header means I have no clue. However a random answer somewhere in the thread that does not point to the post it refers to is for morons and pointless. Unless you are lucky you just have to pass over it.
LOL - I do agree Cyclefree's thread's can be hard work.
You guys should stop carping.. and if you think you can do better, submit a thread to the site owner. I am sure your comments will not be in the least bit as illuminating at the thread itself.
What do you mean by you guys you half witted cretin. I was chastising Brisket for being a moron. Along comes another one that cannot read and spouts bollocks. Get stuffed you thicko.
Okay here's my thread header that I scribbled on the full moon but didn't bother bothering Mike with-
The Biggest Side Show in History
Brexit is the biggest side show in history. A farce of a democracy and a large bureaucratic expense its benign malign influence was rarely felt by the average citizen; the EU was and is simply a capitalist supra-national body to facilitate trade.
Indyref1 and the upcoming 2 are quite a different matter.
England and Scotland have been joined since James I of England & VI of Scotland in 1603 before the Glorious Revolution and the now active Act of Union in 1707.
Although all my life people up here have thought of themselves as Scottish first and British second, an independent Scotland was seen as being deeply unpragmatic by the famously described "canny" populous.
This changed with Tony Blair's devolution settlement leading, after a decade of relative calmness, albeit with silly headline grabbing "Free Uni", SNP election wins (they promised more free stuff; err, canny, I guess). The "sophisticated Scottish electorate" (copywrite Curtice) have voted nationalist* for over a decade now.
*nice "civic nationalism" obviously, not nasty "BNP-style nationalism.
The UK, having recently voted for its own independence, is now to consider splitting itself in two.
First Minister of Scotland Nicola Sturgeon has made it clear she wants indyref2 to happen in 2020 (little more than 5 years after the first; sore loser syndrome existed before the term "remoaners" entered the lexicon.)
The battle for unity on this small island of the north atlantic is to begin again shortly.
Are you ready?
[There are currently no betting markets that relate to an independent Scotland but one would expect Sterling to be affected]
Who's Vassal state would we be? The EU, Russia's or the USA's - you've not made that clear.
Tip briskin , try to point to previous post you are replying to so we do not think you are just howling at the moon
Tip MalkyG, try to read the thread header before you start your rants
Although I think you can be somewhat forgiven, given it's a Cyclefree thread - but at least she tried to make it readable this time.
You have a strange idea of a rant and WTF looking at the header means I have no clue. However a random answer somewhere in the thread that does not point to the post it refers to is for morons and pointless. Unless you are lucky you just have to pass over it.
LOL - I do agree Cyclefree's thread's can be hard work.
You guys should stop carping.. and if you think you can do better, submit a thread to the site owner. I am sure your comments will not be in the least bit as illuminating at the thread itself.
What do you mean by you guys you half witted cretin. I was chastising Brisket for being a moron. Along comes another one that cannot read and spouts bollocks. Get stuffed you thicko.
Hey Malc - it is the sabbath !!!!!!
Apolgies G, some of these idiots just make you lose the plot.
Who's Vassal state would we be? The EU, Russia's or the USA's - you've not made that clear.
Tip briskin , try to point to previous post you are replying to so we do not think you are just howling at the moon
Tip MalkyG, try to read the thread header before you start your rants
Although I think you can be somewhat forgiven, given it's a Cyclefree thread - but at least she tried to make it readable this time.
You have a strange idea of a rant and WTF looking at the header means I have no clue. However a random answer somewhere in the thread that does not point to the post it refers to is for morons and pointless. Unless you are lucky you just have to pass over it.
LOL - I do agree Cyclefree's thread's can be hard work.
You guys should stop carping.. and if you think you can do better, submit a thread to the site owner. I am sure your comments will not be in the least bit as illuminating at the thread itself.
What do you mean by you guys you half witted cretin. I was chastising Brisket for being a moron. Along comes another one that cannot read and spouts bollocks. Get stuffed you thicko.
Yep, the Brexif Bus apparently arrived Friday and has been abandoned in a layby.
The Labour candidate has been seen out on his own, but otherwise no obvious campaign. The LDs reckon they have the backing of even Labour members.
Bozo may not be brave enough to visit, but he has written an awful lot of direct mail letters warning voters that if they don't vote Tory they will get a LibDem MP. The Tories are also out doing mass canvasses.
Since the campaign started there has apparently been a steady flow of Tory remainers to the LibDems and another from BXP to Tory. The ascent of Bozo may have accelerated the latter but otherwise there isnt yet any sign of a Bozo bounce. In particular he isn't doing anything for Tory remainers, and I spoke to a few of these today.
The Tories will have to adapt to their changing support base, which the country landowner types who run the Tories in these parts might find difficult.
I think a LibDem win but not overwhelming.
Do voters in B+R really need the PM to tell them that if they don't vote Tory they'll get a LD MP?
Okay here's my thread header that I scribbled on the full moon but didn't bother bothering Mike with-
The Biggest Side Show in History
Brexit is the biggest side show in history. A farce of a democracy and a large bureaucratic expense its benign malign influence was rarely felt by the average citizen; the EU was and is simply a capitalist supra-national body to facilitate trade.
Indyref1 and the upcoming 2 are quite a different matter.
England and Scotland have been joined since James I of England & VI of Scotland in 1603 before the Glorious Revolution and the now active Act of Union in 1707.
Although all my life people up here have thought of themselves as Scottish first and British second, an independent Scotland was seen as being deeply unpragmatic by the famously described "canny" populous.
This changed with Tony Blair's devolution settlement leading, after a decade of relative calmness, albeit with silly headline grabbing "Free Uni", SNP election wins (they promised more free stuff; err, canny, I guess). The "sophisticated Scottish electorate" (copywrite Curtice) have voted nationalist* for over a decade now.
*nice "civic nationalism" obviously, not nasty "BNP-style nationalism.
The UK, having recently voted for its own independence, is now to consider splitting itself in two.
First Minister of Scotland Nicola Sturgeon has made it clear she wants indyref2 to happen in 2020 (little more than 5 years after the first; sore loser syndrome existed before the term "remoaners" entered the lexicon.)
The battle for unity on this small island of the north atlantic is to begin again shortly.
Are you ready?
[There are currently no betting markets that relate to an independent Scotland but one would expect Sterling to be affected]
Good summary Briskin , you have a few brain cells working I see. The die are cast, UK NO More is coming.
Yep, the Brexif Bus apparently arrived Friday and has been abandoned in a layby.
The Labour candidate has been seen out on his own, but otherwise no obvious campaign. The LDs reckon they have the backing of even Labour members.
Bozo may not be brave enough to visit, but he has written an awful lot of direct mail letters warning voters that if they don't vote Tory they will get a LibDem MP. The Tories are also out doing mass canvasses.
Since the campaign started there has apparently been a steady flow of Tory remainers to the LibDems and another from BXP to Tory. The ascent of Bozo may have accelerated the latter but otherwise there isnt yet any sign of a Bozo bounce. In particular he isn't doing anything for Tory remainers, and I spoke to a few of these today.
The Tories will have to adapt to their changing support base, which the country landowner types who run the Tories in these parts might find difficult.
I think a LibDem win but not overwhelming.
Do voters in B+R really need the PM to tell them that if they don't vote Tory they'll get a LD MP?
I guess they think the message has already got through to the non-Tories and they want to crush the BXP on the back of Bozo's no surrender strategy
Who's Vassal state would we be? The EU, Russia's or the USA's - you've not made that clear.
Tip briskin , try to point to previous post you are replying to so we do not think you are just howling at the moon
Tip MalkyG, try to read the thread header before you start your rants
Although I think you can be somewhat forgiven, given it's a Cyclefree thread - but at least she tried to make it readable this time.
You have a strange idea of a rant and WTF looking at the header means I have no clue. However a random answer somewhere in the thread that does not point to the post it refers to is for morons and pointless. Unless you are lucky you just have to pass over it.
LOL - I do agree Cyclefree's thread's can be hard work.
You guys should stop carping.. and if you think you can do better, submit a thread to the site owner. I am sure your comments will not be in the least bit as illuminating at the thread itself.
What do you mean by you guys you half witted cretin. I was chastising Brisket for being a moron. Along comes another one that cannot read and spouts bollocks. Get stuffed you thicko.
Hey Malc - it is the sabbath !!!!!!
Apolgies G, some of these idiots just make you lose the plot.
No apology needed Malc.
We love you the way you are and at times it takes a lot of my will power not to launch full on attacks on some posters
Who's Vassal state would we be? The EU, Russia's or the USA's - you've not made that clear.
Tip briskin , try to point to previous post you are replying to so we do not think you are just howling at the moon
Tip MalkyG, try to read the thread header before you start your rants
Although I think you can be somewhat forgiven, given it's a Cyclefree thread - but at least she tried to make it readable this time.
You have a strange idea of a rant and WTF looking at the header means I have no clue. However a random answer somewhere in the thread that does not point to the post it refers to is for morons and pointless. Unless you are lucky you just have to pass over it.
LOL - I do agree Cyclefree's thread's can be hard work.
You guys should stop carping.. and if you think you can do better, submit a thread to the site owner. I am sure your comments will not be in the least bit as illuminating at the thread itself.
What do you mean by you guys you half witted cretin. I was chastising Brisket for being a moron. Along comes another one that cannot read and spouts bollocks. Get stuffed you thicko.
Good evening Malc.
Evening Gin, Hope all well with your goodself.
Weather's been shocking this weekend but I'm all good thanks.
Who's Vassal state would we be? The EU, Russia's or the USA's - you've not made that clear.
Tip briskin , try to point to previous post you are replying to so we do not think you are just howling at the moon
Tip MalkyG, try to read the thread header before you start your rants
Although I think you can be somewhat forgiven, given it's a Cyclefree thread - but at least she tried to make it readable this time.
You have a strange idea of a rant and WTF looking at the header means I have no clue. However a random answer somewhere in the thread that does not point to the post it refers to is for morons and pointless. Unless you are lucky you just have to pass over it.
LOL - I do agree Cyclefree's thread's can be hard work.
You guys should stop carping.. and if you think you can do better, submit a thread to the site owner. I am sure your comments will not be in the least bit as illuminating at the thread itself.
What do you mean by you guys you half witted cretin. I was chastising Brisket for being a moron. Along comes another one that cannot read and spouts bollocks. Get stuffed you thicko.
Good evening Malc.
Evening Gin, Hope all well with your goodself.
Weather's been shocking this weekend but I'm all good thanks.
Forget the bus, we are now going to get government funded propaganda.
The new Prime Minister is planning to show Brussels he is serious about taking Britain out of the bloc without a deal by ramping up preparations.
The information push will see an everything-you-need-to-know leaflet sent to 27 million households and the broadcast of TV ads as part of a campaign which is expected to cost £10 million.
Now? We've got government funded propaganda for as long as I can remember, including a puff piece for Remain pre-referendum.
Dave enabled the referendum so was entitled to make his case. Boris is ramming through No Deal, which only cranks and eccentrics on the fringe have dabbled in.
It takes two to tango. We can't have a deal if the EU won't negotiate a good deal and that means no backstop.
The choice is the EU's to make. If they drop the backstop demands there is no reason we can't have a deal. If they don't, then so be it we have no choice but to proceed without one.
Okay here's my thread header that I scribbled on the full moon but didn't bother bothering Mike with-
The Biggest Side Show in History
Brexit is the biggest side show in history. A farce of a democracy and a large bureaucratic expense its benign malign influence was rarely felt by the average citizen; the EU was and is simply a capitalist supra-national body to facilitate trade.
Indyref1 and the upcoming 2 are quite a different matter.
England and Scotland have been joined since James I of England & VI of Scotland in 1603 before the Glorious Revolution and the now active Act of Union in 1707.
Although all my life people up here have thought of themselves as Scottish first and British second, an independent Scotland was seen as being deeply unpragmatic by the famously described "canny" populous.
This changed with Tony Blair's devolution settlement leading, after a decade of relative calmness, albeit with silly headline grabbing "Free Uni", SNP election wins (they promised more free stuff; err, canny, I guess). The "sophisticated Scottish electorate" (copywrite Curtice) have voted nationalist* for over a decade now.
*nice "civic nationalism" obviously, not nasty "BNP-style nationalism.
The UK, having recently voted for its own independence, is now to consider splitting itself in two.
First Minister of Scotland Nicola Sturgeon has made it clear she wants indyref2 to happen in 2020 (little more than 5 years after the first; sore loser syndrome existed before the term "remoaners" entered the lexicon.)
The battle for unity on this small island of the north atlantic is to begin again shortly.
Are you ready?
[There are currently no betting markets that relate to an independent Scotland but one would expect Sterling to be affected]
Good summary Briskin , you have a few brain cells working I see. The die are cast, UK NO More is coming.
I'll take the compliments where I find them - thanks Malky
What a change in the weather. Just put the heating on
It's like November out there Big G.
Hope you amd Mrs G are able to keep warm.
Lovely day in mid Wales today. Not a cloud in the sky early this morning. Warm and cloudy with sunny spells and light winds all day. Still warm this evening
Boris is more Berlusconi than May, May was more Gordon Brown
I have my reservations on Boris but he is no Berlusconi
Indeed he is on the liberal social left
Who, Boris or Berlusconi? Boris was on the liberal social left when he wanted to win in London. Not now. Priti Patel as HS? He may go there again, if it suits him, as with everything else. If you mean Berlusconi, apologies.
What a change in the weather. Just put the heating on
It's like November out there Big G.
Hope you amd Mrs G are able to keep warm.
Lovely day in mid Wales today. Not a cloud in the sky early this morning. Warm and cloudy with sunny spells and light winds all day. Still warm this evening
I think we have been under the depression moving up the country as seen in the golf at Lytham and as Malc reports in Ayrshire.
Yep, the Brexif Bus apparently arrived Friday and has been abandoned in a layby.
The Labour candidate has been seen out on his own, but otherwise no obvious campaign. The LDs reckon they have the backing of even Labour members.
Bozo may not be brave enough to visit, but he has written an awful lot of direct mail letters warning voters that if they don't vote Tory they will get a LibDem MP. The Tories are also out doing mass canvasses.
Since the campaign started there has apparently been a steady flow of Tory remainers to the LibDems and another from BXP to Tory. The ascent of Bozo may have accelerated the latter but otherwise there isnt yet any sign of a Bozo bounce. In particular he isn't doing anything for Tory remainers, and I spoke to a few of these today.
The Tories will have to adapt to their changing support base, which the country landowner types who run the Tories in these parts might find difficult.
I think a LibDem win but not overwhelming.
I am from Eastbourne and was in town the afternoon of the by election there caused by the death of Ian Gow. A liberal I knew who had been campaigning said they'd put up a good effort and been rewarded with some traffic in their direction. But he said it wasn't anything spectacular and he thought there wasn't the slightest chance of doing anything more than eroding the Tory majority a bit. This was back in the 'dead parrot' days when they'd actually managed to score 0% in one opinion poll not so long before.
As we all know they took the seat with about 4,000 votes.
It's easy to underestimate the impact of solid door knocking, not least when you are doing it. Look at what the ground game did for Labour last general election.
I was going to hazard a fiver on the Tories, but in the light of this I'll keep it in my wallet.
Comments
https://twitter.com/Digbylj/status/1155424392266035219
https://twitter.com/Digbylj/status/1155424393700548609
But heh, maybe you liked that part.
"The results go well beyond ‘gosh’ territory, or even ‘blimey’: by some way the most dramatic poll I have ever analysed."
If this poll just shows the same trend as the last poll, then it isn't "gosh" territory or even "blimey" territory !
My guess is it is a historic low for Labour, and probably shows them in 3rd place as their Leave and Remain voters switch to TBP and the LDs/PC.
Furious at the way things are progressing ?
Simply state with confidence that it will all go tits up in 3 months time - no one can prove you wrong.
Carry on.
I only realised there was a market for it yesterday - I've dipped my toes in but if the signals from the EU continue I might go large.
I don't even think it will go tits-up anyway, a few more soup cans will be bought just in case but I reckon it'll be a breeze
Why do we all do it? I think it’s because polls give a semblance of science to a sphere that is really more of an art. We don’t trust our own powers of criticism, so we farm off judgement to some pseudo scientists.
And Lord Sutch's mob above them in third?
https://youtu.be/t8EMx7Y16Vo
Yes 1/4
No 7/2
There's no point blaming people for being alive from 1950 to 2000, when economic growth was a good deal higher than today.
Ireland does not do 90% of trade with the UK. And then to add to that all this war bullshit.
Leavers not content with Brexit are intent on trashing relations with the EU. And those wallowing in the war analogies have no experience of actually living through the war but have some deluded romanticized view.
The real heroes spoke during the D Day commemorations and they’re not Brexiters .
https://enormo-haddock.blogspot.com/2019/07/germany-post-race-analysis-2019.html
An incredible position to put your country in over decades - so reliant on the virtually free infrastructure of a country your leader rails against daily.
Ms Davidson, who has previously been highly critical of Mr Johnson, added: "As leader of the party in Scotland, my position exists independently of government. I don't have to sign a no-deal pledge to continue to serve."
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/ruth-davidson-boris-johnson-brexit-no-deal-war-cabinet-michael-gove-a9024191.html?amp
https://twitter.com/brxn_/status/1155508227481767937
1. Plaid Cymru
2. TBP
3. Labour
4. Tories
5. LibDems.
This is the result from the Euros, but with the top two switched.
It gives Roger Awan-Scully his "gosh" factor as it is the first time PC have ever topped an All-Wales poll.
Getting out of the Commission, Parliament, ECJ and the rest of it while trading freely? Isn't that what Brexiteers claimed they wanted?
Unless you are lucky you just have to pass over it.
https://twitter.com/StevePeers/status/1155454171459608577
For Malky and possible other's benefit - I'm made two comments relating to this paragraph.
What's the remit - I work better under constraints
Half the country still think it’s 1945 .
And are lapping up the Bozo UK Tour , aided by a right wing press . Even Putin would be happy with the level of fawning afforded by the so called free press.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Eatwell,_Baron_Eatwell
A positively Dickensian name for a member of the HoLs.
You are overlooking the fact that Boris will do anything to ensure he stays in office
Expect a massive fudge along the way
It's like November out there Big G.
Hope you amd Mrs G are able to keep warm.
For another I imagine that the meetings might be with different departments or on different subjects on different days. So today might hypothetically be a meeting to discuss preparedness of the NHS which identifies an issue regarding medicine ABC, tomorrow might be a meeting to discuss preparedness of DEFRA which identifies issue XYZ, so on and so forth, a week later you might get an update on the state of dealing with issues ABC and XYZ etc
But surely this is a phantom fall? The two new independents would surely still be MPs and, presumably, still vote with the Conservatives?
and spouts bollocks. Get stuffed you thicko.
We keep warm in our twilight years by enjoying being together and having our loved ones close by, and social media helps to keep our eldest and his wife close even though they are in Vancouver
We have so much to be grateful for and are very conscious of our good fortune
1. Tories
2. PC
3. Labour
4. Lib Dems
5. BXP
Though it wouldn't surprise me if Lib Dems were 2nd or 3rd.
The Labour candidate has been seen out on his own, but otherwise no obvious campaign. The LDs reckon they have the backing of even Labour members.
Bozo may not be brave enough to visit, but he has written an awful lot of direct mail letters warning voters that if they don't vote Tory they will get a LibDem MP. The Tories are also out doing mass canvasses.
Since the campaign started there has apparently been a steady flow of Tory remainers to the LibDems and another from BXP to Tory. The ascent of Bozo may have accelerated the latter but otherwise there isnt yet any sign of a Bozo bounce. In particular he isn't doing anything for Tory remainers, and I spoke to a few of these today.
The Tories will have to adapt to their changing support base, which the country landowner types who run the Tories in these parts might find difficult.
I think a LibDem win but not overwhelming.
The Biggest Side Show in History
Brexit is the biggest side show in history. A farce of a democracy and a large bureaucratic expense its benign malign influence was rarely felt by the average citizen; the EU was and is simply a capitalist supra-national body to facilitate trade.
Indyref1 and the upcoming 2 are quite a different matter.
England and Scotland have been joined since James I of England & VI of Scotland in 1603 before the Glorious Revolution and the now active Act of Union in 1707.
Although all my life people up here have thought of themselves as Scottish first and British second, an independent Scotland was seen as being deeply unpragmatic by the famously described "canny" populous.
This changed with Tony Blair's devolution settlement leading, after a decade of relative calmness, albeit with silly headline grabbing "Free Uni", SNP election wins (they promised more free stuff; err, canny, I guess). The "sophisticated Scottish electorate" (copywrite Curtice) have voted nationalist* for over a decade now.
*nice "civic nationalism" obviously, not nasty "BNP-style nationalism.
The UK, having recently voted for its own independence, is now to consider splitting itself in two.
First Minister of Scotland Nicola Sturgeon has made it clear she wants indyref2 to happen in 2020 (little more than 5 years after the first; sore loser syndrome existed before the term "remoaners" entered the lexicon.)
The battle for unity on this small island of the north atlantic is to begin again shortly.
Are you ready?
[There are currently no betting markets that relate to an independent Scotland but one would expect Sterling to be affected]
Would've got some odds on this.
We love you the way you are and at times it takes a lot of my will power not to launch full on attacks on some posters
Another triumph for British engineering!
Indeed he is on the liberal social left
Of the international comparison the best one to compare him to IMO is Ronald Reagan.
Is has been cold and miserable all day
As we all know they took the seat with about 4,000 votes.
It's easy to underestimate the impact of solid door knocking, not least when you are doing it. Look at what the ground game did for Labour last general election.
I was going to hazard a fiver on the Tories, but in the light of this I'll keep it in my wallet.