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Yup. UK, GB, Britain and England are pretty much interchangeable to everyone who doesn’t hold a “UK of GB and NI” passport.OldKingCole said:
Doesn't only happen in the US. As I'm sure Mr Sandpit will agree.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Have you ever been to the US or been in the company of AmericansStuartDickson said:
Fascinating. Trump made a very clear point of emphasising England. He has probably had briefings on the way the wind is blowing regarding the Union.SouthamObserver said:The US is going to do a great FTA with England!! Trump may be being more accurate than he realises here ...
https://twitter.com/brexitcentral/status/1155028419077427201?s=21
They always call UK England and to be honest it annoys both my wife and I so much that we correct them whenever we get the chance. It is very apparent on the many cruises we have been on and we do say that we come from the UK and is wrong to refer it as England.
It is fair to make political observations from your own point of view, but on this I disagree with you
The Brexit discussions have actually changed the way I use the various terms in conversation, I now always start with UK (until the discussion inevitably moves on to cricket).0 -
It can be habit. My wife’s a Connecticut native who has lived here for 13 years, a regular visitor her whole life, fully aware of the differences between the UK, Great Britain and England (if nothing else you need to know them for your “Life in the U.K.” citizenship test) but she still reflexively occasionally says England when she means Britain. And she’s a whole lot smarter than Trump who seemingly struggles to walk and chew gum at the same time.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Because my wife is a Scot and I am half Welsh and we are proud of the Union.AndyJS said:
Do they intend to cause offence by saying England instead of the UK? Probably not. If offence isn't intended, I think it's wrong to take offence. (And quite often, even if offence is intended, is best to ignore it rather than getting offended).Big_G_NorthWales said:
Have you ever been to the US or been in the company of AmericansStuartDickson said:
Fascinating. Trump made a very clear point of emphasising England. He has probably had briefings on the way the wind is blowing regarding the Union.SouthamObserver said:The US is going to do a great FTA with England!! Trump may be being more accurate than he realises here ...
https://twitter.com/brexitcentral/status/1155028419077427201?s=21
They always call UK England and to be honest it annoys both my wife and I so much that we correct them whenever we get the chance. It is very apparent on the many cruises we have been on and we do say that we come from the UK and is wrong to refer it as England.
It is fair to make political observations from your own point of view, but on this I disagree with you
Most English people wouldn't get offended if a foreigner accidentally called them Scottish, Welsh or Irish. So why do some people from those three countries get offended to be accidentally described as English?
We both object to being called English and try to explain it in a respectful manner0 -
What's so bad about accidentally being referred to as English?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Because my wife is a Scot and I am half Welsh and we are proud of the Union.AndyJS said:
Do they intend to cause offence by saying England instead of the UK? Probably not. If offence isn't intended, I think it's wrong to take offence. (And quite often, even if offence is intended, is best to ignore it rather than getting offended).Big_G_NorthWales said:
Have you ever been to the US or been in the company of AmericansStuartDickson said:
Fascinating. Trump made a very clear point of emphasising England. He has probably had briefings on the way the wind is blowing regarding the Union.SouthamObserver said:The US is going to do a great FTA with England!! Trump may be being more accurate than he realises here ...
https://twitter.com/brexitcentral/status/1155028419077427201?s=21
They always call UK England and to be honest it annoys both my wife and I so much that we correct them whenever we get the chance. It is very apparent on the many cruises we have been on and we do say that we come from the UK and is wrong to refer it as England.
It is fair to make political observations from your own point of view, but on this I disagree with you
Most English people wouldn't get offended if a foreigner accidentally called them Scottish, Welsh or Irish. So why do some people from those three countries get offended to be accidentally described as English?
We both object to being called English and try to explain it in a respectful manner0 -
I do agreeDougSeal said:
It can be habit. My wife’s a Connecticut native who has lived here for 13 years, a regular visitor her whole life, fully aware of the differences between the UK, Great Britain and England (if nothing else you need to know them for your “Life in the U.K.” citizenship test) but she still reflexively occasionally says England when she means Britain. And she’s a whole lot smarter than Trump who seemingly struggles to walk and chew gum at the same time.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Because my wife is a Scot and I am half Welsh and we are proud of the Union.AndyJS said:
Do they intend to cause offence by saying England instead of the UK? Probably not. If offence isn't intended, I think it's wrong to take offence. (And quite often, even if offence is intended, is best to ignore it rather than getting offended).Big_G_NorthWales said:
Have you ever been to the US or been in the company of AmericansStuartDickson said:
Fascinating. Trump made a very clear point of emphasising England. He has probably had briefings on the way the wind is blowing regarding the Union.SouthamObserver said:The US is going to do a great FTA with England!! Trump may be being more accurate than he realises here ...
https://twitter.com/brexitcentral/status/1155028419077427201?s=21
They always call UK England and to be honest it annoys both my wife and I so much that we correct them whenever we get the chance. It is very apparent on the many cruises we have been on and we do say that we come from the UK and is wrong to refer it as England.
It is fair to make political observations from your own point of view, but on this I disagree with you
Most English people wouldn't get offended if a foreigner accidentally called them Scottish, Welsh or Irish. So why do some people from those three countries get offended to be accidentally described as English?
We both object to being called English and try to explain it in a respectful manner0 -
https://youtu.be/VwGZinTeodcAndyJS said:
What's so bad about accidentally being referred to as English?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Because my wife is a Scot and I am half Welsh and we are proud of the Union.AndyJS said:
Do they intend to cause offence by saying England instead of the UK? Probably not. If offence isn't intended, I think it's wrong to take offence. (And quite often, even if offence is intended, is best to ignore it rather than getting offended).Big_G_NorthWales said:
Have you ever been to the US or been in the company of AmericansStuartDickson said:
Fascinating. Trump made a very clear point of emphasising England. He has probably had briefings on the way the wind is blowing regarding the Union.SouthamObserver said:The US is going to do a great FTA with England!! Trump may be being more accurate than he realises here ...
https://twitter.com/brexitcentral/status/1155028419077427201?s=21
They always call UK England and to be honest it annoys both my wife and I so much that we correct them whenever we get the chance. It is very apparent on the many cruises we have been on and we do say that we come from the UK and is wrong to refer it as England.
It is fair to make political observations from your own point of view, but on this I disagree with you
Most English people wouldn't get offended if a foreigner accidentally called them Scottish, Welsh or Irish. So why do some people from those three countries get offended to be accidentally described as English?
We both object to being called English and try to explain it in a respectful manner0 -
Because we are not English. Our family all use BritishAndyJS said:
What's so bad about accidentally being referred to as English?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Because my wife is a Scot and I am half Welsh and we are proud of the Union.AndyJS said:
Do they intend to cause offence by saying England instead of the UK? Probably not. If offence isn't intended, I think it's wrong to take offence. (And quite often, even if offence is intended, is best to ignore it rather than getting offended).Big_G_NorthWales said:
Have you ever been to the US or been in the company of AmericansStuartDickson said:
Fascinating. Trump made a very clear point of emphasising England. He has probably had briefings on the way the wind is blowing regarding the Union.SouthamObserver said:The US is going to do a great FTA with England!! Trump may be being more accurate than he realises here ...
https://twitter.com/brexitcentral/status/1155028419077427201?s=21
They always call UK England and to be honest it annoys both my wife and I so much that we correct them whenever we get the chance. It is very apparent on the many cruises we have been on and we do say that we come from the UK and is wrong to refer it as England.
It is fair to make political observations from your own point of view, but on this I disagree with you
Most English people wouldn't get offended if a foreigner accidentally called them Scottish, Welsh or Irish. So why do some people from those three countries get offended to be accidentally described as English?
We both object to being called English and try to explain it in a respectful manner0 -
I'd go further. It is the moral obligation of the directors of a firm to do all they legally can for shareholders. If a director chose to let a firm pay tax that they did not have a legal obligation to pay, then they should forfeit their position.eek said:
It is a person's right to legally minimise the tax they pay.YBarddCwsc said:
My point is that Nick Clegg did not need to accept a job with Facebook.eek said:
Probably a lot more in Employers National Insurance and from the employee taxes than it does in a lot of other EU countries.YBarddCwsc said:
Somehow, my opinion of him might be higher if he had stopped short of doing something that was technically within his rights.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
You can argue that the particular office and secretarial allowance should not have been made available to Clegg post-2015. But, given it was, I fail to see what is wrong in him making a lawful claim for expenses actually incurred. And nobody has ever suggested that it went to Clegg personally rather than paying for a larger office to carry on his work than he'd otherwise have had.
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Still, he is a fantastic advert for the LibDems, as he now lies professionally for Facebook.
Remind me, how much tax does Facebook pay? Enough to pay Nick Clegg's expense claims?
Yes - it probably should be a lot more but no-one has worked out how to tax global corporations locally yet..
Nick Palmer is an ex-MP. He is not working for a tax-avoiding multinational.0 -
OK - maybe he was really showing off his encyclopaedic knowledge about the UK by telling people England was part of it.StuartDickson said:
His mother was Scottish and he spends a lot of time in Scotland. I think it highly unlikely that he is unaware of the difficulties the Union is in.Chris said:
He probably just had a briefing to try to knock into his thick skull what the "pieces" of the UK were - and perhaps even the difference between the UK and GB - and just about managed to remember one of those pieces of information (with difficulty).StuartDickson said:
Fascinating. Trump made a very clear point of emphasising England. He has probably had briefings on the way the wind is blowing regarding the Union.SouthamObserver said:The US is going to do a great FTA with England!! Trump may be being more accurate than he realises here ...
https://twitter.com/brexitcentral/status/1155028419077427201?s=21
Many years ago a First Minister (Jack McConnell?) appointed Trump an Ambassador for Scotland. He was forever turning up at Tartan Days etc0 -
Its like calling a Canadian an American.AndyJS said:
What's so bad about accidentally being referred to as English?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Because my wife is a Scot and I am half Welsh and we are proud of the Union.AndyJS said:
Do they intend to cause offence by saying England instead of the UK? Probably not. If offence isn't intended, I think it's wrong to take offence. (And quite often, even if offence is intended, is best to ignore it rather than getting offended).Big_G_NorthWales said:
Have you ever been to the US or been in the company of AmericansStuartDickson said:
Fascinating. Trump made a very clear point of emphasising England. He has probably had briefings on the way the wind is blowing regarding the Union.SouthamObserver said:The US is going to do a great FTA with England!! Trump may be being more accurate than he realises here ...
https://twitter.com/brexitcentral/status/1155028419077427201?s=21
They always call UK England and to be honest it annoys both my wife and I so much that we correct them whenever we get the chance. It is very apparent on the many cruises we have been on and we do say that we come from the UK and is wrong to refer it as England.
It is fair to make political observations from your own point of view, but on this I disagree with you
Most English people wouldn't get offended if a foreigner accidentally called them Scottish, Welsh or Irish. So why do some people from those three countries get offended to be accidentally described as English?
We both object to being called English and try to explain it in a respectful manner0 -
Good examplePhilip_Thompson said:
Its like calling a Canadian an American.AndyJS said:
What's so bad about accidentally being referred to as English?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Because my wife is a Scot and I am half Welsh and we are proud of the Union.AndyJS said:
Do they intend to cause offence by saying England instead of the UK? Probably not. If offence isn't intended, I think it's wrong to take offence. (And quite often, even if offence is intended, is best to ignore it rather than getting offended).Big_G_NorthWales said:
Have you ever been to the US or been in the company of AmericansStuartDickson said:
Fascinating. Trump made a very clear point of emphasising England. He has probably had briefings on the way the wind is blowing regarding the Union.SouthamObserver said:The US is going to do a great FTA with England!! Trump may be being more accurate than he realises here ...
https://twitter.com/brexitcentral/status/1155028419077427201?s=21
They always call UK England and to be honest it annoys both my wife and I so much that we correct them whenever we get the chance. It is very apparent on the many cruises we have been on and we do say that we come from the UK and is wrong to refer it as England.
It is fair to make political observations from your own point of view, but on this I disagree with you
Most English people wouldn't get offended if a foreigner accidentally called them Scottish, Welsh or Irish. So why do some people from those three countries get offended to be accidentally described as English?
We both object to being called English and try to explain it in a respectful manner0 -
Seriously though - nothing. With my softened accent it happens in the pub to me all the time.AndyJS said:
What's so bad about accidentally being referred to as English?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Because my wife is a Scot and I am half Welsh and we are proud of the Union.AndyJS said:
Do they intend to cause offence by saying England instead of the UK? Probably not. If offence isn't intended, I think it's wrong to take offence. (And quite often, even if offence is intended, is best to ignore it rather than getting offended).Big_G_NorthWales said:
Have you ever been to the US or been in the company of AmericansStuartDickson said:
Fascinating. Trump made a very clear point of emphasising England. He has probably had briefings on the way the wind is blowing regarding the Union.SouthamObserver said:The US is going to do a great FTA with England!! Trump may be being more accurate than he realises here ...
https://twitter.com/brexitcentral/status/1155028419077427201?s=21
They always call UK England and to be honest it annoys both my wife and I so much that we correct them whenever we get the chance. It is very apparent on the many cruises we have been on and we do say that we come from the UK and is wrong to refer it as England.
It is fair to make political observations from your own point of view, but on this I disagree with you
Most English people wouldn't get offended if a foreigner accidentally called them Scottish, Welsh or Irish. So why do some people from those three countries get offended to be accidentally described as English?
We both object to being called English and try to explain it in a respectful manner0 -
When we expecting any polls??? should be interesting
I'd guess a 12 point Tory lead with YouGov0 -
I think if you're trying to make any of Trump's statements sound reasonable, it's wise not to go into too much detail.StuartDickson said:
It wasn’t an accident. Watch the video. He went out of his way to emphasise the term England, which he claimed was a word you don’t hear that often nowadays.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Dickson, either that or lots of people overseas regularly say England when they mean Britain or the UK.
Still, I'm amused you have such faith in Trump's political antennae when it comes to the UK.0 -
My first day in Brecon. Clearly hard fought between LibDem and Tory. The Tories are winning the poster war in the fields and the LibDems in the houses. Delivering the constituency is an immense challenge, due to its size and a certain eccentricity in housing design and numbering. Judging from the doormats of those on holiday the LDs have been churning out the literature, and their HQ is like a Liberal by-election of old with people arriving from far and wide and being sent out with leaflets or canvass cards within minutes.
I saw one Labour poster in town but otherwise there is no sign of any campaign. And the BXP, from first impressions, doesn't exist as a campaigning force on the ground.
No sign of Bunnco so you'll have to put up with me on the spot.1 -
Ireland has.eek said:
Probably a lot more in Employers National Insurance and from the employee taxes than it does in a lot of other EU countries.YBarddCwsc said:
Somehow, my opinion of him might be higher if he had stopped short of doing something that was technically within his rights.SirNorfolkPassmore said:
You can argue that the particular office and secretarial allowance should not have been made available to Clegg post-2015. But, given it was, I fail to see what is wrong in him making a lawful claim for expenses actually incurred. And nobody has ever suggested that it went to Clegg personally rather than paying for a larger office to carry on his work than he'd otherwise have had.
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Still, he is a fantastic advert for the LibDems, as he now lies professionally for Facebook.
Remind me, how much tax does Facebook pay? Enough to pay Nick Clegg's expense claims?
Yes - it probably should be a lot more but no-one has worked out how to tax global corporations locally yet..0 -
Are you the same person who's never heard anyone in England conflate being English with being British?JBriskinindyref2 said:
Seriously though - nothing. With my softened accent it happens in the pub to me all the time.AndyJS said:
What's so bad about accidentally being referred to as English?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Because my wife is a Scot and I am half Welsh and we are proud of the Union.AndyJS said:
Do they intend to cause offence by saying England instead of the UK? Probably not. If offence isn't intended, I think it's wrong to take offence. (And quite often, even if offence is intended, is best to ignore it rather than getting offended).Big_G_NorthWales said:
Have you ever been to the US or been in the company of AmericansStuartDickson said:
Fascinating. Trump made a very clear point of emphasising England. He has probably had briefings on the way the wind is blowing regarding the Union.SouthamObserver said:The US is going to do a great FTA with England!! Trump may be being more accurate than he realises here ...
https://twitter.com/brexitcentral/status/1155028419077427201?s=21
They always call UK England and to be honest it annoys both my wife and I so much that we correct them whenever we get the chance. It is very apparent on the many cruises we have been on and we do say that we come from the UK and is wrong to refer it as England.
It is fair to make political observations from your own point of view, but on this I disagree with you
Most English people wouldn't get offended if a foreigner accidentally called them Scottish, Welsh or Irish. So why do some people from those three countries get offended to be accidentally described as English?
We both object to being called English and try to explain it in a respectful manner0 -
Yes - what's you point Mr boring question man?williamglenn said:
Are you the same person who's never heard anyone in England conflate being English with being British?JBriskinindyref2 said:
Seriously though - nothing. With my softened accent it happens in the pub to me all the time.AndyJS said:
What's so bad about accidentally being referred to as English?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Because my wife is a Scot and I am half Welsh and we are proud of the Union.AndyJS said:
Do they intend to cause offence by saying England instead of the UK? Probably not. If offence isn't intended, I think it's wrong to take offence. (And quite often, even if offence is intended, is best to ignore it rather than getting offended).Big_G_NorthWales said:
Have you ever been to the US or been in the company of AmericansStuartDickson said:
Fascinating. Trump made a very clear point of emphasising England. He has probably had briefings on the way the wind is blowing regarding the Union.SouthamObserver said:The US is going to do a great FTA with England!! Trump may be being more accurate than he realises here ...
https://twitter.com/brexitcentral/status/1155028419077427201?s=21
They always call UK England and to be honest it annoys both my wife and I so much that we correct them whenever we get the chance. It is very apparent on the many cruises we have been on and we do say that we come from the UK and is wrong to refer it as England.
It is fair to make political observations from your own point of view, but on this I disagree with you
Most English people wouldn't get offended if a foreigner accidentally called them Scottish, Welsh or Irish. So why do some people from those three countries get offended to be accidentally described as English?
We both object to being called English and try to explain it in a respectful manner0 -
Yes,surely with all this publicity for Boris, 12 point lead with Yougov is a shoe in.noisywinter said:When we expecting any polls??? should be interesting
I'd guess a 12 point Tory lead with YouGov
Hard to imagine Labour Mps voting for a GE.0 -
I do not expect more than a modest increase in the polls but I concur that I cannot see labour wanting a GE this side of the 31st OctYorkcity said:
Yes,surely with all this publicity for Boris, 12 point lead with Yougov is a shoe in.noisywinter said:When we expecting any polls??? should be interesting
I'd guess a 12 point Tory lead with YouGov
Hard to imagine Labour Mps voting for a GE.0 -
He is making sure the Govt all sings from the same hymn sheet and shows unity from day one. May had two problems Govt infighting between fractions and back bench infighting. Boris will only have the pro-EU swivel-eyed fraction on the back benches causing trouble.Stark_Dawning said:
What's Boris playing at? Is he trying to discredit the Tory Right by giving the wackiest of their number positions of authority that they're bound to muck up? Is this all about making Nigel an utter irrelevance? It's an interesting strategy.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Government of all the talents.Scott_P said:0 -
Nadine Dorries. A government minister. Gavin Williamson in Cabinet. Just let that sink in. This is, unquestionably, the lowest calibre government of all time.0
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Not sure who was quoting the crappy odds on Hamilton for the win tomorrow but I've just bet on him at 1.66
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Yup. But with 150 posts to fill (didn't he say he was going to cull this number?) from 312?MPs, minus the number he's fired, minus the number who have resigned, or won't serve, minus the number he personally hates, does not leave a lot of choices.SouthamObserver said:Nadine Dorries. A government minister. Gavin Williamson in Cabinet. Just let that sink in. This is, unquestionably, the lowest calibre government of all time.
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I think Boris was bruised by the accusations that he was a bumbling, useless incompetent as Foreign Sec. By promoting these zanies he makes himself look a political colossus in comparison.SouthamObserver said:Nadine Dorries. A government minister. Gavin Williamson in Cabinet. Just let that sink in. This is, unquestionably, the lowest calibre government of all time.
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WTF!?noisywinter said:When we expecting any polls??? should be interesting
I'd guess a 12 point Tory lead with YouGov
No chance! 4-5 points would be an excellent lead. 5 points hasn't been achieved since March.0 -
Well, I get that about - for example - the Treasury, Trade/Business, and Foreign Office. But is that true of, for example, education? Or defence?ralphmalph said:
He is making sure the Govt all sings from the same hymn sheet and shows unity from day one. May had two problems Govt infighting between fractions and back bench infighting. Boris will only have the pro-EU swivel-eyed fraction on the back benches causing trouble.Stark_Dawning said:
What's Boris playing at? Is he trying to discredit the Tory Right by giving the wackiest of their number positions of authority that they're bound to muck up? Is this all about making Nigel an utter irrelevance? It's an interesting strategy.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Government of all the talents.Scott_P said:
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Steve Baker and Mark Francois got out of this sinister embrace. When the betrayal comes, as it will, Dorries can't vote against the government.SouthamObserver said:Nadine Dorries. A government minister. Gavin Williamson in Cabinet. Just let that sink in. This is, unquestionably, the lowest calibre government of all time.
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Yes it makes no sense to me a GE for Labour before 31st Oct.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I do not expect more than a modest increase in the polls but I concur that I cannot see labour wanting a GE this side of the 31st OctYorkcity said:
Yes,surely with all this publicity for Boris, 12 point lead with Yougov is a shoe in.noisywinter said:When we expecting any polls??? should be interesting
I'd guess a 12 point Tory lead with YouGov
Hard to imagine Labour Mps voting for a GE.0 -
I would rather have Dorris than Patel. Did I write that ?SouthamObserver said:Nadine Dorries. A government minister. Gavin Williamson in Cabinet. Just let that sink in. This is, unquestionably, the lowest calibre government of all time.
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I might add that Boris Johnson found room for Gavin Williamson, but not Penny Morduant. Which suggests doctrinal purity and ability are less important than loyalty.rcs1000 said:
Well, I get that about - for example - the Treasury, Trade/Business, and Foreign Office. But is that true of, for example, education? Or defence?ralphmalph said:
He is making sure the Govt all sings from the same hymn sheet and shows unity from day one. May had two problems Govt infighting between fractions and back bench infighting. Boris will only have the pro-EU swivel-eyed fraction on the back benches causing trouble.Stark_Dawning said:
What's Boris playing at? Is he trying to discredit the Tory Right by giving the wackiest of their number positions of authority that they're bound to muck up? Is this all about making Nigel an utter irrelevance? It's an interesting strategy.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Government of all the talents.Scott_P said:0 -
Ah yes, back in the times before Brexiteers completely stopped May from seeing is Brexit. If they wanted 5 pt leads they could have followed through on the policy delivering those leads!Philip_Thompson said:
WTF!?noisywinter said:When we expecting any polls??? should be interesting
I'd guess a 12 point Tory lead with YouGov
No chance! 4-5 points would be an excellent lead. 5 points hasn't been achieved since March.0 -
Let's wait and see. May also had a 25 point lead.Yorkcity said:
Yes,surely with all this publicity for Boris, 12 point lead with Yougov is a shoe in.noisywinter said:When we expecting any polls??? should be interesting
I'd guess a 12 point Tory lead with YouGov
Hard to imagine Labour Mps voting for a GE.0 -
I'm glad to see that Nadine is now a minister.
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Yes but the Conservatives have had in esscence a week of a campaign.Philip_Thompson said:
WTF!?noisywinter said:When we expecting any polls??? should be interesting
I'd guess a 12 point Tory lead with YouGov
No chance! 4-5 points would be an excellent lead. 5 points hasn't been achieved since March.
With no opposition in the msm , as they would in a GE.0 -
I noticed on the Daily Mail website an interesting story about Boris Johnson and Russians. Apparently he was unsteady on his feet. But the very fact he was recieving Russian hospitality from a Russian billionaire should ring alarm bells...0
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if its only a 5 point lead Boris would be in big trouble
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Alternatively back before May flaked on exiting come what may on 29 March like she had promised and caved in to getting an extension.kle4 said:
Ah yes, back in the times before Brexiteers completely stopped May from seeing is Brexit. If they wanted 5 pt leads they could have followed through on the policy delivering those leads!Philip_Thompson said:
WTF!?noisywinter said:When we expecting any polls??? should be interesting
I'd guess a 12 point Tory lead with YouGov
No chance! 4-5 points would be an excellent lead. 5 points hasn't been achieved since March.0 -
I think he is mixing both together, some are loyal, some doctrinal and some both.rcs1000 said:
I might add that Boris Johnson found room for Gavin Williamson, but not Penny Morduant. Which suggests doctrinal purity and ability are less important than loyalty.rcs1000 said:
Well, I get that about - for example - the Treasury, Trade/Business, and Foreign Office. But is that true of, for example, education? Or defence?ralphmalph said:
He is making sure the Govt all sings from the same hymn sheet and shows unity from day one. May had two problems Govt infighting between fractions and back bench infighting. Boris will only have the pro-EU swivel-eyed fraction on the back benches causing trouble.Stark_Dawning said:
What's Boris playing at? Is he trying to discredit the Tory Right by giving the wackiest of their number positions of authority that they're bound to muck up? Is this all about making Nigel an utter irrelevance? It's an interesting strategy.OnlyLivingBoy said:
Government of all the talents.Scott_P said:
I hope that in the Sundays there are some decent explanations for the Morduant decision. If it was based on the fact that she refused to say she would back a no deal brexit if it came to that and every other cabinet minster had too, then you can not have one rule for one and let others off.0 -
No, a 5 point lead would be a very good start. The immediate polls just after May became leader showed a few percentage point increase, which then continued to build after that. It could be 5 points this weekend, then be 10 points within a month.noisywinter said:if its only a 5 point lead Boris would be in big trouble
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Nadine!!!!!!!!!
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Reverse expectations management?noisywinter said:if its only a 5 point lead Boris would be in big trouble
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If the Lib Dems aren't on 25% in at least one poll tonight Swinson has to go.0
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LOLArtist said:If the Lib Dems aren't on 25% in at least one poll tonight Swinson has to go.
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I'll join in the fun, if Labour aren't on at least 25% Corbyn has to go.0
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What polls are we expecting today?0
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Actually on second thoughts, if on at least 15% then Corbyn is the greatest thing since Marx, keep him.0
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Those bloody RussiansThe_Taxman said:I noticed on the Daily Mail website an interesting story about Boris Johnson and Russians. Apparently he was unsteady on his feet. But the very fact he was recieving Russian hospitality from a Russian billionaire should ring alarm bells...
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This story is also interesting given the billionaire in question owns the Evening Standard. It might point to an electoral endoursement of the Tories by that paper in a snap GE. It might also explain the ES political advice to readers since 2016...The_Taxman said:I noticed on the Daily Mail website an interesting story about Boris Johnson and Russians. Apparently he was unsteady on his feet. But the very fact he was recieving Russian hospitality from a Russian billionaire should ring alarm bells...
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please... as some random on the internet I'm not sure theres any point to expectations managementRobD said:
Reverse expectations management?noisywinter said:if its only a 5 point lead Boris would be in big trouble
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Russians and the Soviet Union before the end of the cold war have meddled in the UKs affairs. In the miners strike the SU bunged a union some cash for instants...RobD said:
Those bloody RussiansThe_Taxman said:I noticed on the Daily Mail website an interesting story about Boris Johnson and Russians. Apparently he was unsteady on his feet. But the very fact he was recieving Russian hospitality from a Russian billionaire should ring alarm bells...
Next they'll be interfering with our elections.0 -
I live in a similar constituency to B&R. Chez nous, "posters in fields" are an indication of who landowners support: but most agricultural votes come from the farmers renting those estates - whose mild Brexit support three years ago has now morphed into hard-baked Remainery.IanB2 said:My first day in Brecon. Clearly hard fought between LibDem and Tory. The Tories are winning the poster war in the fields and the LibDems in the houses. Delivering the constituency is an immense challenge, due to its size and a certain eccentricity in housing design and numbering. Judging from the doormats of those on holiday the LDs have been churning out the literature, and their HQ is like a Liberal by-election of old with people arriving from far and wide and being sent out with leaflets or canvass cards within minutes.
I saw one Labour poster in town but otherwise there is no sign of any campaign. And the BXP, from first impressions, doesn't exist as a campaigning force on the ground.
No sign of Bunnco so you'll have to put up with me on the spot.
And remember: 95% of Welsh lamb is exported, mostly to the EU. The day after a no-deal Brexit, that lamb attracts a 40% tariff into Europe - because that's what the WTO requires the EU to do.
I've not met a single B&R farmer with a good word to say for Johnson and his deranged gibberish about trade policy.0 -
As an aside, I've met Nadine, and found her charming and helpful.0
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Con up, BXP down, but nothing too amazing since nobody has tweeted any "amazing poll tonight" teasers.0
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Though given the Conservatives’ fortunes in the capital, many years of support by the London Evening Standard appear not to be worth much.The_Taxman said:
This story is also interesting given the billionaire in question owns the Evening Standard. It might point to an electoral endoursement of the Tories by that paper in a snap GE. It might also explain the ES political advice to readers since 2016...The_Taxman said:I noticed on the Daily Mail website an interesting story about Boris Johnson and Russians. Apparently he was unsteady on his feet. But the very fact he was recieving Russian hospitality from a Russian billionaire should ring alarm bells...
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Excellent. It is entirely counter-productive.IanB2 said:My first day in Brecon. Clearly hard fought between LibDem and Tory. The Tories are winning the poster war in the fields and the LibDems in the houses. Delivering the constituency is an immense challenge, due to its size and a certain eccentricity in housing design and numbering. Judging from the doormats of those on holiday the LDs have been churning out the literature, and their HQ is like a Liberal by-election of old with people arriving from far and wide and being sent out with leaflets or canvass cards within minutes.
I saw one Labour poster in town but otherwise there is no sign of any campaign. And the BXP, from first impressions, doesn't exist as a campaigning force on the ground.
No sign of Bunnco so you'll have to put up with me on the spot.
I remember one General Election morning being woken at 6.00 am by some LibDem fanatic, posting a leaflet noisily through my letter box, saying "Good Morning. Remember to Vote LibDem today".
When I got to the polling booth that evening, I was tired and I remembered some bastard had woke me up really early and I voted accordingly.
Nothing will help the Tories more than LibDems clattering through Welsh lanes with their English accents.1 -
This is interesting from Isabel Hardman.
Johnson has made clear to the moderate ministers that, if he does strike a deal, he will expect them to go forth and sell it to their faction within the Conservative party. On this, they are quite optimistic, pointing to Oliver Letwin telling the Commons on Thursday: “I personally will certainly vote for any arrangement he makes for an orderly exit from the EU.” They see an appetite from the anti-no deal camp for any deal at all, which will make trying to sell even a poor deal much easier.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jul/26/cabinet-tories-moderate-worrying-boris-johnson-no-deal-brexit
What's this 'poor deal' that Boris is going to get and attempt to sell? I think the ground is being prepared to resurrect Theresa's WA here.0 -
The deer farmers and fishing fleet of Richmond upon Thames will be delighted to have their MP fighting their corner.Scott_P said:0 -
Certainly there are residents clearly suffering campaign fatigue and refusing to take any more leaflets. But that’s true of very hard fought by election,YBarddCwsc said:
Excellent. It is entirely counter-productive.IanB2 said:My first day in Brecon. Clearly hard fought between LibDem and Tory. The Tories are winning the poster war in the fields and the LibDems in the houses. Delivering the constituency is an immense challenge, due to its size and a certain eccentricity in housing design and numbering. Judging from the doormats of those on holiday the LDs have been churning out the literature, and their HQ is like a Liberal by-election of old with people arriving from far and wide and being sent out with leaflets or canvass cards within minutes.
I saw one Labour poster in town but otherwise there is no sign of any campaign. And the BXP, from first impressions, doesn't exist as a campaigning force on the ground.
No sign of Bunnco so you'll have to put up with me on the spot.
I remember one General Election morning being woken at 6.00 am by some LibDem fanatic, posting a leaflet noisily through my letter box, saying "Good Morning. Remember to Vote LibDem today".
When I got to the polling booth that evening, I was tired and I remembered some bastard had woke me up really early and I voted accordingly.
Nothing will help the Tories more than LibDems clattering through Welsh lanes with their English accents.
You are wrong about early morning leaflets. They make a real impact. I doubt however that B&R is the type of constituency that lends itself to one; even the LibDems don’t have that much help.0 -
Come off it, it has been wall to wall Boris all week.Eye catching new expenditure commitments. Tweaking the noses of both Iran and the EU. What more could you want?Philip_Thompson said:
WTF!?noisywinter said:When we expecting any polls??? should be interesting
I'd guess a 12 point Tory lead with YouGov
No chance! 4-5 points would be an excellent lead. 5 points hasn't been achieved since March.
I genuinely believe a 10 point plus lead should be easy. It might not be there next week but today, nailed on.0 -
There are a lot of sheep here, for sure. Some of the fields don’t even have fences so they wander out onto the road.Flanner said:
I live in a similar constituency to B&R. Chez nous, "posters in fields" are an indication of who landowners support: but most agricultural votes come from the farmers renting those estates - whose mild Brexit support three years ago has now morphed into hard-baked Remainery.IanB2 said:My first day in Brecon. Clearly hard fought between LibDem and Tory. The Tories are winning the poster war in the fields and the LibDems in the houses. Delivering the constituency is an immense challenge, due to its size and a certain eccentricity in housing design and numbering. Judging from the doormats of those on holiday the LDs have been churning out the literature, and their HQ is like a Liberal by-election of old with people arriving from far and wide and being sent out with leaflets or canvass cards within minutes.
I saw one Labour poster in town but otherwise there is no sign of any campaign. And the BXP, from first impressions, doesn't exist as a campaigning force on the ground.
No sign of Bunnco so you'll have to put up with me on the spot.
And remember: 95% of Welsh lamb is exported, mostly to the EU. The day after a no-deal Brexit, that lamb attracts a 40% tariff into Europe - because that's what the WTO requires the EU to do.
I've not met a single B&R farmer with a good word to say for Johnson and his deranged gibberish about trade policy.0 -
r/thathappenedYBarddCwsc said:
Excellent. It is entirely counter-productive.IanB2 said:My first day in Brecon. Clearly hard fought between LibDem and Tory. The Tories are winning the poster war in the fields and the LibDems in the houses. Delivering the constituency is an immense challenge, due to its size and a certain eccentricity in housing design and numbering. Judging from the doormats of those on holiday the LDs have been churning out the literature, and their HQ is like a Liberal by-election of old with people arriving from far and wide and being sent out with leaflets or canvass cards within minutes.
I saw one Labour poster in town but otherwise there is no sign of any campaign. And the BXP, from first impressions, doesn't exist as a campaigning force on the ground.
No sign of Bunnco so you'll have to put up with me on the spot.
I remember one General Election morning being woken at 6.00 am by some LibDem fanatic, posting a leaflet noisily through my letter box, saying "Good Morning. Remember to Vote LibDem today".
When I got to the polling booth that evening, I was tired and I remembered some bastard had woke me up really early and I voted accordingly.
Nothing will help the Tories more than LibDems clattering through Welsh lanes with their English accents.1 -
Goldsmith is very genuine on environment and animal welfare - I spoke (obviously in my non-partisan job) alongside him at the last Tory animals fringe meeting.IanB2 said:
The deer farmers and fishing fleet of Richmond upon Thames will be delighted to have their MP fighting their corner.Scott_P said:0 -
MV4? This’ll be fun.Stark_Dawning said:This is interesting from Isabel Hardman.
Johnson has made clear to the moderate ministers that, if he does strike a deal, he will expect them to go forth and sell it to their faction within the Conservative party. On this, they are quite optimistic, pointing to Oliver Letwin telling the Commons on Thursday: “I personally will certainly vote for any arrangement he makes for an orderly exit from the EU.” They see an appetite from the anti-no deal camp for any deal at all, which will make trying to sell even a poor deal much easier.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jul/26/cabinet-tories-moderate-worrying-boris-johnson-no-deal-brexit
What's this 'poor deal' that Boris is going to get and attempt to sell? I think the ground is being prepared to resurrect Theresa's WA here.0 -
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Opinium in the Observer has
Con 30 +7
Lab 28 +3
LD 16 +1
BP 15 -7
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Exactly. The deal Bozo voted for is the deal he will present, just with added bluster and bullshit.Stark_Dawning said:This is interesting from Isabel Hardman.
Johnson has made clear to the moderate ministers that, if he does strike a deal, he will expect them to go forth and sell it to their faction within the Conservative party. On this, they are quite optimistic, pointing to Oliver Letwin telling the Commons on Thursday: “I personally will certainly vote for any arrangement he makes for an orderly exit from the EU.” They see an appetite from the anti-no deal camp for any deal at all, which will make trying to sell even a poor deal much easier.
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/jul/26/cabinet-tories-moderate-worrying-boris-johnson-no-deal-brexit
What's this 'poor deal' that Boris is going to get and attempt to sell? I think the ground is being prepared to resurrect Theresa's WA here.0 -
On that opinium:
Flavible: Con 289, Lab 246, LD 41, SNP 51, BXP 1
Baxter: Con 301, Lab 253, LD 37, SNP 37, BXP 1
https://flavible.com
https://www.electoralcalculus.co.uk0
