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I have been saying this will happen for a couple of weeks now. Like you I think the EU will greedily bite his hand off when he offers it.rcs1000 said:
Well, I can see the EU going for that. But it's massively less Brexit than the previous Withdrawal Agreement, so why would Francois and Baker go for it?TheWhiteRabbit said:Bojo fair clear he supports an indefinite transition until such time as "other measures" are available in Ni
(I can see why the DUP might.)
We declare brexit, but UK and EU avoid the horrors of no deal by just carry on talking with nothing much actually happened.
It looks like a complete win for Boris on Brexit, the only difficulty I can see for Boris with this plan, and genuine pressure on him from BP and ERG is money, the fact we will still be paying it or some of it for the no immediate change element, however that only becomes real pressure the longer it goes on without agreement moving on the position.
The real loss in this scenario is on the EU side, after all the sticking heels in on their agreement with May, and the fact that destroyed her, they will then move for Boris. But they are already paving the way to this outcome with the “but that agreement was all about the red lines the British insisted we negotiate within” which we have heard this week, havn’t we?0 -
dr_spyn said:
You can understand his objection - he has a thing for rancid kippers.0 -
Voodoo Economics!TheWhiteRabbit said:Boris pledges magic money raising tax cuts
Boris is an optimist, personally, I think he is a complete idiot. I cannot understand his appeal to people. I don't think he will be making anyone laugh after a few weeks of his incompetence...1 -
Transition, to all intents and purposes, is the EEA, replete with Freedom of Movemement.Zephyr said:
I have been saying this will happen for a couple of weeks now. Like you I think the EU will greedily bite his hand off when he offers it.rcs1000 said:
Well, I can see the EU going for that. But it's massively less Brexit than the previous Withdrawal Agreement, so why would Francois and Baker go for it?TheWhiteRabbit said:Bojo fair clear he supports an indefinite transition until such time as "other measures" are available in Ni
(I can see why the DUP might.)
We declare brexit, but UK and EU avoid the horrors of no deal by just carry on talking with nothing much actually happened.
It looks like a complete win for Boris on Brexit, the only difficulty I can see for Boris with this plan, and genuine pressure on him from BP and ERG is money, the fact we will still be paying it or some of it for the no immediate change element, however that only becomes real pressure the longer it goes on without agreement moving on the position.
The real loss in this scenario is on the EU side, after all the sticking heels in on their agreement with May, and the fact that destroyed her, they will then move for Boris. But they are already paving the way to this outcome with the “but that agreement was all about the red lines the British insisted we negotiate within” which we have heard this week, havn’t we?
So we're in a perpetual EEA state with the EU, with no fixed time for leaving it. And negotiations will never actually be finished because there's no deadline.0 -
I get the US Senate point but, geniune question, do UK trade agreements have to be passed by Westminster?StuartDickson said:
Won’t get through Westminster.rcs1000 said:
I can't see how a US trade deal would get through Parliament.Cyclefree said:
True. But if you're in a hurry - see the reports of Boris wanting a quick win with the US on trade - then not getting someone in place until January 2020 is a long time to wait.rcs1000 said:
But the Ambassador was due to retire at the end of the year anyway, so Boris was always going to pick his successor.Cyclefree said:
Yes, I do think it benefited Boris. He knew he was highly likely to win. And it opens up a plum position for someone more to the liking of the Brexiteers/pro-US gang. The fuss about the emails and his answer is a three-day wonder. The long-term benefits of having his man in Washington are more long-lasting.Philip_Thompson said:
Do you think the leak benefited Boris? I don't see how. It embarrassed him, brought the video of him saying similar back to the fore, put him under the spot and cross-examination regarding backing Darroch.Cyclefree said:
Not really. Someone trawls the archive to get the mails. An ex- minister with good journalistic contacts and with a reputation for leaking is a good conduit or source of advice as to how one might go around getting such stuff into the hands of a journalist.tlg86 said:Cyclefree said:
He has reason to get his revenge on the civil service and Mrs May. He has reason to help Boris. He is now, apparently, in line for a plum position in government. If Boris is PM the chances of any action being taken against him are low. Boris gets deniability but gets the benefit of such a leak. The Brexiteers are delighted. Gavin gets his revenge.
Not that implausible.
Considering Boris's strategy to date was to play it smart and not rock the horses, that was more like lighting a stick of dynamite and chucking it at the horses to see how they run. Made no sense whatsoever with his strategy.
That doesn't mean he was behind it or knew about it. But it may have been the calculation of whoever did do it or encouraged it.
No LibDem, SNP or Labour MP would back it because of "the NHS". And rural Coneservative MPs are going to hate it too.
Or am I missing something?
Won’t get through US Senate.
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/no-chance-of-us-deal-if-brexit-leads-to-hard-border-1.3835621?mode=amp
(It's so long since we've done one, can anyone remember?)0 -
It's a much better deal for the EU then the backstop compromise that May forced out of them, under which there would have been an end to payments from the UK and free movement and yet the UK would still have retained full freedom to trade goods within the EU - splitting the famous four freedoms.Zephyr said:
I have been saying this will happen for a couple of weeks now. Like you I think the EU will greedily bite his hand off when he offers it.rcs1000 said:
Well, I can see the EU going for that. But it's massively less Brexit than the previous Withdrawal Agreement, so why would Francois and Baker go for it?TheWhiteRabbit said:Bojo fair clear he supports an indefinite transition until such time as "other measures" are available in Ni
(I can see why the DUP might.)
We declare brexit, but UK and EU avoid the horrors of no deal by just carry on talking with nothing much actually happened.
It looks like a complete win for Boris on Brexit, the only difficulty I can see for Boris with this plan, and genuine pressure on him from BP and ERG is money, the fact we will still be paying it or some of it for the no immediate change element, however that only becomes real pressure the longer it goes on without agreement moving on the position.
The real loss in this scenario is on the EU side, after all the sticking heels in on their agreement with May, and the fact that destroyed her, they will then move for Boris. But they are already paving the way to this outcome with the “but that agreement was all about the red lines the British insisted we negotiate within” which we have heard this week, havn’t we?
I personally think that it's a better deal for the UK too - so the only losers are the Leavers who argue for a more distant relationship with the EU. I'll promise not to point it out too often if they will vote for it.0 -
And you evidently do not understand how the global tariff system works.Viceroy said:
As we all know that farm animals do not exist outside of the EU.TOPPING said:
We discussed this some time ago on PB. No deal brexit means the National herd gets it.
Do Remainers realise how stupid they sound?
If you’re going to troll then at least do your homework. Or look at the pictures if that’s too taxing.0 -
Well, any trade agreement with the US would require an ISDS capable of overruling Westminster, so I can't see how we could avoid Parliament ratifying it.Benpointer said:I get the US Senate point but, geniune question, do UK trade agreements have to be passed by Westminster?
(It's so long since we've done one, can anyone remember?)0 -
Stupidity is subjective, do Brexiteers realise how stupid the rest of the population think they are still wanting Brexit given the sunlit uplands have transitioned into a deep swamp?Viceroy said:
As we all know that farm animals do not exist outside of the EU.TOPPING said:
We discussed this some time ago on PB. No deal brexit means the National herd gets it.
Do Remainers realise how stupid they sound?0 -
Willows too.Cyclefree said:
Eucalyptus does the same thing. Never ever plant it near foundations or drains.OblitusSumMe said:
I once planted mint in an old wooden drawer outside, but the roots escaped and it made its way into the soil. Madly impressive.Cyclefree said:
Never ever plant mint directly into the ground. It's an absolute thug of a plant and will take over. Always in a pot.Pulpstar said:
I've heard it runs absolubtely riot if planted into soil outwith a pot !AlastairMeeks said:
I’m just glad I’ve got plenty of mint in the garden.Nigelb said:
As I said earlier, Boris will spin it as a Brexit hecatomb.AlastairMeeks said:
Ah, the Marie Antoinette approach: let them eat lamb.HYUFD said:
If you are a meat eater by definition most lambs will be raised for your consumption, if you are a vegetarian they will not be and indeed most would probably never be raised at all if all followed your lead, whether a Lamb is slaughtered in the UK post No Deal Brexit or slaughtered in the UK and eaten in France or Germany or sent outside the EU to New Zealand or the US to be eaten the lamb is still facing the same fate regardlessAlastairMeeks said:Lambs to the slaughter for the death cult Leavers.
I suspect the sheep pyres would be a more doleful sight on television.
‘A necessary sacrifice...’
And daffodil bulbs and others will push up brick paving if the latter is not laid properly. Nature is a fearsome thing.
We had a willow in our front garden in Yorkshire which manged to get its roots into our drain, sceptic tank, and through the concrete wall lining our pond. We only realised when we started to see the roots emerging from crack in the wall underwater.0 -
Oh, have we left?The_Taxman said:
Stupidity is subjective, do Brexiteers realise how stupid the rest of the population think they are still wanting Brexit given the sunlit uplands have transitioned into a deep swamp?Viceroy said:
As we all know that farm animals do not exist outside of the EU.TOPPING said:
We discussed this some time ago on PB. No deal brexit means the National herd gets it.
Do Remainers realise how stupid they sound?0 -
Yes. It's as bad as people using the word "inappropriate" instead of the word "wrong". A particular bugbear of mine.Nigelb said:
‘Cos it’s too close to home ?TheWhiteRabbit said:Boris: Trump's language unacceptable, but I wouldn't use that word ('racist')
Of course it was effing racist.
Johnson is just..... yuck..... on every level.0 -
Fair point.rcs1000 said:
Well, any trade agreement with the US would require an ISDS capable of overruling Westminster, so I can't see how we could avoid Parliament ratifying it.Benpointer said:I get the US Senate point but, geniune question, do UK trade agreements have to be passed by Westminster?
(It's so long since we've done one, can anyone remember?)
Will Leavers be filing that ISDS under the 'taking back control' heading?0 -
Add to which: apologising "...for any offence caused".Cyclefree said:
Yes. It's as bad as people using the word "inappropriate" instead of the word "wrong". A particular bugbear of mine.Nigelb said:
‘Cos it’s too close to home ?TheWhiteRabbit said:Boris: Trump's language unacceptable, but I wouldn't use that word ('racist')
Of course it was effing racist.
Johnson is just..... yuck..... on every level.
Just apologise ffs!
(Not you @Cyclefree, obvs!)0 -
No but we can all see the swamp ahead. Sunlit uplands? - not so much.Luckyguy1983 said:
Oh, have we left?The_Taxman said:
Stupidity is subjective, do Brexiteers realise how stupid the rest of the population think they are still wanting Brexit given the sunlit uplands have transitioned into a deep swamp?Viceroy said:
As we all know that farm animals do not exist outside of the EU.TOPPING said:
We discussed this some time ago on PB. No deal brexit means the National herd gets it.
Do Remainers realise how stupid they sound?0 -
Within the Trump Admin there seems to be at the very least a questioning of as to whether the ISDS is beneficial to the US. Lighthizer made some comments to a senate committee. Basically they think that robust ISDS stops foreign investment in the US and so costs the US jobs because the investment goes to another country that then exports the goods to the US.Benpointer said:
Fair point.rcs1000 said:
Well, any trade agreement with the US would require an ISDS capable of overruling Westminster, so I can't see how we could avoid Parliament ratifying it.Benpointer said:I get the US Senate point but, geniune question, do UK trade agreements have to be passed by Westminster?
(It's so long since we've done one, can anyone remember?)
Will Leavers be filing that ISDS under the 'taking back control' heading?0 -
Tbf, the uplands may be sunlit. There won't be flocks of sheep getting in the way.Benpointer said:
No but we can all see the swamp ahead. Sunlit uplands? - not so much.Luckyguy1983 said:
Oh, have we left?The_Taxman said:
Stupidity is subjective, do Brexiteers realise how stupid the rest of the population think they are still wanting Brexit given the sunlit uplands have transitioned into a deep swamp?Viceroy said:
As we all know that farm animals do not exist outside of the EU.TOPPING said:
We discussed this some time ago on PB. No deal brexit means the National herd gets it.
Do Remainers realise how stupid they sound?0 -
We haven’t left and the way you can tell is because you don’t yet get a free leg of lamb with every copy of the Daily Telegraph you buy.Luckyguy1983 said:
Oh, have we left?The_Taxman said:
Stupidity is subjective, do Brexiteers realise how stupid the rest of the population think they are still wanting Brexit given the sunlit uplands have transitioned into a deep swamp?Viceroy said:
As we all know that farm animals do not exist outside of the EU.TOPPING said:
We discussed this some time ago on PB. No deal brexit means the National herd gets it.
Do Remainers realise how stupid they sound?1 -
If I caused offence grates...if you didn't then why are you apologising?Benpointer said:
Add to which: apologising "...for any offence caused".Cyclefree said:
Yes. It's as bad as people using the word "inappropriate" instead of the word "wrong". A particular bugbear of mine.Nigelb said:
‘Cos it’s too close to home ?TheWhiteRabbit said:Boris: Trump's language unacceptable, but I wouldn't use that word ('racist')
Of course it was effing racist.
Johnson is just..... yuck..... on every level.
Just apologise ffs!
(Not you @Cyclefree, obvs!)0 -
Every Prime Minister in living memory has come to the office with a certain amount of goodwill, is seen by many as a refreshing change to his/ her predecessor - benefits from that honeymoon period, even if it's been quite short for one or two recently. But now for the first time, we're going to have a PM who is utterly loathed by a majority of the population from day one. That fact in itself does not augur well.Cyclefree said:
Yes. It's as bad as people using the word "inappropriate" instead of the word "wrong". A particular bugbear of mine.Nigelb said:
‘Cos it’s too close to home ?TheWhiteRabbit said:Boris: Trump's language unacceptable, but I wouldn't use that word ('racist')
Of course it was effing racist.
Johnson is just..... yuck..... on every level.0 -
Indeed yes. Should I feel sheepish?Nigelb said:
Still hogging the pun stream, I see.ydoethur said:
I'm disappointed you missed the chance to write 'dam smarter leadership...'Zephyr said:
Behave. There is a serious point here. With these rumours flying around there are a lot of worried sheep out there this evening. Gove knows what the no deal plan is for the sheep, what is the problem making public that part of the plan and putting the worried sheep to bed? It’s a darn smarter leadership than being rude to people misrepresenting the plan and not clarifying it. Come on Michael, you can stop all tonight’s sheep worrying.Animal_pb said:
If you're going to branch out into other farmyard animals, I shall have to cry technical fowl.ydoethur said:
That's a pig to respond to. Sow I shan't attempt to.Animal_pb said:
I know you enjoy the punning limelight, but there's no need to hogget all.ydoethur said:
Ewe asked. I remain the tup punner.Animal_pb said:
No need to ram it down our throats.ydoethur said:
I think he was attempting a pun.Zephyr said:
Yes. The right thing for Michael to do is not go on a rude trump type attack, but explain the inaccuracy by explaining what the no deal plan is for sheep.eek said:
Note - he doesn't say where Jenny's statement is wrong. It might be that it's not 9m but 17.4mTheScreamingEagles said:
Gove also said after we voted to Leave we’d hold all the aces.eek said:
Gove is usually wrong on Brexit or has he started using again?
But as he is not very bright he bombed baaadly.0 -
Scottish Labour are in the same state of denial. Kirk Van Houten syndrome.mwadams said:
I fear that the Conservatives see their former supporters over with the BXP as the wife and children having taken a temporary break, more like a holiday really. In ten years time they will wake up and notice that they are living in a bedsit over a flower shop eating beans out of a can.StuartDickson said:
For a Tory, HY spends an awful lot of time and energy bigging up the Brexit Party.TOPPING said:
Classic Stockholm Syndrome. But he is by his own description in the wrong party.williamglenn said:
He's like the PB version of Owen Jones, desperately trying to make up for not being part of the cult at the beginning.TOPPING said:
Getting rid of the chaff. The Conservative Party will be down to a pure core of both MPs and members before you know it. Sadly, that number won't include @HYUFD who, as a Remainer, will be excluded from that band of brothers.Tabman said:
You think 30 current Tory MPs should join the lib Dems?HYUFD said:
Up to 30, a new pro Boris Tory candidate for every MP who votes against an October 31st Brexit Deal or No DealTabman said:
How many new MPs can we expect?HYUFD said:
Boris will of course not say that and see mass defections of Tory Leave voters to the Brexit Party, if any Tory MPs refuse to back Brexit Deal or No Deal on October 31st as Boris will get a mandate for from Tory members next week then they can join the LDs before they are deselectedTheScreamingEagles said:
So I reckon there’s at least six Tories that will VONC the government to stop No Deal and I think that number will rise.Tabman said:
Wha'ppen?TheScreamingEagles said:Lads it’s on.
Full blown constitutional crisis this year, maybe even next week.
Boris needs to tell the Commons he will not prorogue Parliament to deliver a No Deal Brexit.
Someone needs to gently point out that the Brexit Party are opponents of the Conservative Party, not best buddies.
(Similar can probably be applied to those who have left LibDemwards.)0 -
Oh, I know. Why does no-one know how to bloody apologise these days?!Benpointer said:
Add to which: apologising "...for any offence caused".Cyclefree said:
Yes. It's as bad as people using the word "inappropriate" instead of the word "wrong". A particular bugbear of mine.Nigelb said:
‘Cos it’s too close to home ?TheWhiteRabbit said:Boris: Trump's language unacceptable, but I wouldn't use that word ('racist')
Of course it was effing racist.
Johnson is just..... yuck..... on every level.
Just apologise ffs!
(Not you @Cyclefree, obvs!)
Just repeat after me: "I am sorry." Then shut up.
Apologising for any offence caused is just a passive-aggressive way of pretending to apologise while doing no such thing.
Time to give this one - http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2017/11/06/the-pb-cynics-dictionary-especially-complied-for-the-times/ - another airing I think.
Rather prescient in some respects; note the reference to whistleblowing, for instance.
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Not true. Macdonald was more widely loathed than Johnson. So much so that senior Tories seriously canvassed a coup to keep him out of power.ThomasNashe said:
Every Prime Minister in living memory has come to the office with a certain amount of goodwill, is seen by many as a refreshing change to his/ her predecessor - benefits from that honeymoon period, even if it's been quite short for one or two recently. But now for the first time, we're going to have a PM who is utterly loathed by a majority of the population from day one. That fact in itself does not augur well.Cyclefree said:
Yes. It's as bad as people using the word "inappropriate" instead of the word "wrong". A particular bugbear of mine.Nigelb said:
‘Cos it’s too close to home ?TheWhiteRabbit said:Boris: Trump's language unacceptable, but I wouldn't use that word ('racist')
Of course it was effing racist.
Johnson is just..... yuck..... on every level.
That questioner on education needs to go easier on the drugs.0 -
Not too many of us with a 'living memory' of that. JackW perhaps ...ydoethur said:
Not true. Macdonald was more widely loathed than Johnson. So much so that senior Tories seriously canvassed a coup to keep him out of power.ThomasNashe said:
Every Prime Minister in living memory has come to the office with a certain amount of goodwill, is seen by many as a refreshing change to his/ her predecessor - benefits from that honeymoon period, even if it's been quite short for one or two recently. But now for the first time, we're going to have a PM who is utterly loathed by a majority of the population from day one. That fact in itself does not augur well.Cyclefree said:
Yes. It's as bad as people using the word "inappropriate" instead of the word "wrong". A particular bugbear of mine.Nigelb said:
‘Cos it’s too close to home ?TheWhiteRabbit said:Boris: Trump's language unacceptable, but I wouldn't use that word ('racist')
Of course it was effing racist.
Johnson is just..... yuck..... on every level.
That questioner on education needs to go easier on the drugs.0 -
Ah yes - I must have missed that 1st time around. Most of your list is perceptive and well-said but...Cyclefree said:
Oh, I know. Why does no-one know how to bloody apologise these days?!Benpointer said:
Add to which: apologising "...for any offence caused".Cyclefree said:
Yes. It's as bad as people using the word "inappropriate" instead of the word "wrong". A particular bugbear of mine.Nigelb said:
‘Cos it’s too close to home ?TheWhiteRabbit said:Boris: Trump's language unacceptable, but I wouldn't use that word ('racist')
Of course it was effing racist.
Johnson is just..... yuck..... on every level.
Just apologise ffs!
(Not you @Cyclefree, obvs!)
Just repeat after me: "I am sorry." Then shut up.
Apologising for any offence caused is just a passive-aggressive way of pretending to apologise while doing no such thing.
Time to give this one - http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2017/11/06/the-pb-cynics-dictionary-especially-complied-for-the-times/ - another airing I think.
Rather prescient in some respects; note the reference to whistleblowing, for instance.
...I can't agree with you on 'Addiction'; no one chooses to be an addict imo, whereas bad behaviour is always a choice. Sorry to be po-faced on that one.0 -
You’re obviously unfamiliar with Scottish politics. Goodwill towards PMs in London is usually nil from day one. Honeymoons are non-existent (Broon excepted). Utter loathing of upper-class twits is bog standard.ThomasNashe said:
Every Prime Minister in living memory has come to the office with a certain amount of goodwill, is seen by many as a refreshing change to his/ her predecessor - benefits from that honeymoon period, even if it's been quite short for one or two recently. But now for the first time, we're going to have a PM who is utterly loathed by a majority of the population from day one. That fact in itself does not augur well.Cyclefree said:
Yes. It's as bad as people using the word "inappropriate" instead of the word "wrong". A particular bugbear of mine.Nigelb said:
‘Cos it’s too close to home ?TheWhiteRabbit said:Boris: Trump's language unacceptable, but I wouldn't use that word ('racist')
Of course it was effing racist.
Johnson is just..... yuck..... on every level.
Maybe England is becoming jockified.0 -
Wether or not is up to ewe, of course.ydoethur said:
Indeed yes. Should I feel sheepish?Nigelb said:
Still hogging the pun stream, I see.ydoethur said:
I'm disappointed you missed the chance to write 'dam smarter leadership...'Zephyr said:
Behave. There is a serious point here. With these rumours flying around there are a lot of worried sheep out there this evening. Gove knows what the no deal plan is for the sheep, what is the problem making public that part of the plan and putting the worried sheep to bed? It’s a darn smarter leadership than being rude to people misrepresenting the plan and not clarifying it. Come on Michael, you can stop all tonight’s sheep worrying.Animal_pb said:
If you're going to branch out into other farmyard animals, I shall have to cry technical fowl.ydoethur said:
That's a pig to respond to. Sow I shan't attempt to.Animal_pb said:
I know you enjoy the punning limelight, but there's no need to hogget all.ydoethur said:
Ewe asked. I remain the tup punner.Animal_pb said:
No need to ram it down our throats.ydoethur said:
I think he was attempting a pun.Zephyr said:
Yes. The right thing for Michael to do is not go on a rude trump type attack, but explain the inaccuracy by explaining what the no deal plan is for sheep.eek said:
Note - he doesn't say where Jenny's statement is wrong. It might be that it's not 9m but 17.4mTheScreamingEagles said:
Gove also said after we voted to Leave we’d hold all the aces.eek said:
Gove is usually wrong on Brexit or has he started using again?
But as he is not very bright he bombed baaadly.
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Hmm - I didn't automatically assume 'for the first time' still meant 'within living memory.' I'll allow it though.ThomasNashe said:
Not too many of us with a 'living memory' of that. JackW perhaps ...ydoethur said:
Not true. Macdonald was more widely loathed than Johnson. So much so that senior Tories seriously canvassed a coup to keep him out of power.ThomasNashe said:
Every Prime Minister in living memory has come to the office with a certain amount of goodwill, is seen by many as a refreshing change to his/ her predecessor - benefits from that honeymoon period, even if it's been quite short for one or two recently. But now for the first time, we're going to have a PM who is utterly loathed by a majority of the population from day one. That fact in itself does not augur well.Cyclefree said:
Yes. It's as bad as people using the word "inappropriate" instead of the word "wrong". A particular bugbear of mine.Nigelb said:
‘Cos it’s too close to home ?TheWhiteRabbit said:Boris: Trump's language unacceptable, but I wouldn't use that word ('racist')
Of course it was effing racist.
Johnson is just..... yuck..... on every level.
That questioner on education needs to go easier on the drugs.0 -
http://www.basicinstructions.net/basic-instructions/2007/2/25/how-to-apologize-without-accepting-any-blame.htmlBenpointer said:
Add to which: apologising "...for any offence caused".Cyclefree said:
Yes. It's as bad as people using the word "inappropriate" instead of the word "wrong". A particular bugbear of mine.Nigelb said:
‘Cos it’s too close to home ?TheWhiteRabbit said:Boris: Trump's language unacceptable, but I wouldn't use that word ('racist')
Of course it was effing racist.
Johnson is just..... yuck..... on every level.
Just apologise ffs!
(Not you @Cyclefree, obvs!)0 -
I was just trying to ram a point home.Nigelb said:
Wether or not is up to ewe, of course.ydoethur said:
Indeed yes. Should I feel sheepish?Nigelb said:
Still hogging the pun stream, I see.ydoethur said:
I'm disappointed you missed the chance to write 'dam smarter leadership...'Zephyr said:
Behave. There is a serious point here. With these rumours flying around there are a lot of worried sheep out there this evening. Gove knows what the no deal plan is for the sheep, what is the problem making public that part of the plan and putting the worried sheep to bed? It’s a darn smarter leadership than being rude to people misrepresenting the plan and not clarifying it. Come on Michael, you can stop all tonight’s sheep worrying.Animal_pb said:
If you're going to branch out into other farmyard animals, I shall have to cry technical fowl.ydoethur said:
That's a pig to respond to. Sow I shan't attempt to.Animal_pb said:
I know you enjoy the punning limelight, but there's no need to hogget all.ydoethur said:
Ewe asked. I remain the tup punner.Animal_pb said:
No need to ram it down our throats.ydoethur said:
I think he was attempting a pun.Zephyr said:
Yes. The right thing for Michael to do is not go on a rude trump type attack, but explain the inaccuracy by explaining what the no deal plan is for sheep.eek said:
Note - he doesn't say where Jenny's statement is wrong. It might be that it's not 9m but 17.4mTheScreamingEagles said:
Gove also said after we voted to Leave we’d hold all the aces.eek said:
Gove is usually wrong on Brexit or has he started using again?
But as he is not very bright he bombed baaadly.0 -
We could do a lot worse than take a lesson or two from north of the border.StuartDickson said:
You’re obviously unfamiliar with Scottish politics. Goodwill towards PMs in London is usually nil from day one. Honeymoons are non-existent (Broon excepted). Utter loathing of upper-class twits is bog standard.ThomasNashe said:
Every Prime Minister in living memory has come to the office with a certain amount of goodwill, is seen by many as a refreshing change to his/ her predecessor - benefits from that honeymoon period, even if it's been quite short for one or two recently. But now for the first time, we're going to have a PM who is utterly loathed by a majority of the population from day one. That fact in itself does not augur well.Cyclefree said:
Yes. It's as bad as people using the word "inappropriate" instead of the word "wrong". A particular bugbear of mine.Nigelb said:
‘Cos it’s too close to home ?TheWhiteRabbit said:Boris: Trump's language unacceptable, but I wouldn't use that word ('racist')
Of course it was effing racist.
Johnson is just..... yuck..... on every level.
Maybe England is becoming jockified.0 -
And also behaviour is wrong regardless of whether offence is caused. The wrongness of behaviour does not depend on the reaction of the victim.dixiedean said:
If I caused offence grates...if you didn't then why are you apologising?Benpointer said:
Add to which: apologising "...for any offence caused".Cyclefree said:
Yes. It's as bad as people using the word "inappropriate" instead of the word "wrong". A particular bugbear of mine.Nigelb said:
‘Cos it’s too close to home ?TheWhiteRabbit said:Boris: Trump's language unacceptable, but I wouldn't use that word ('racist')
Of course it was effing racist.
Johnson is just..... yuck..... on every level.
Just apologise ffs!
(Not you @Cyclefree, obvs!)
When I am dictatrix of this blessed isle, as well as nudging people into not turning their coffee into Ovaltine, I will tell people in no uncertain terms that the words "right" and "wrong" are very useful words and concepts and euphemisms like "unacceptable" and "inappropriate" are not substitutes.
Clear blunt speaking is needed. Eg Trump is a racist arse. Johnson is a superficial fool whose mental and emotional age got stuck at 14. And so on.0 -
Though Trump never has, and never will apologise for anything.Benpointer said:
Add to which: apologising "...for any offence caused".Cyclefree said:
Yes. It's as bad as people using the word "inappropriate" instead of the word "wrong". A particular bugbear of mine.Nigelb said:
‘Cos it’s too close to home ?TheWhiteRabbit said:Boris: Trump's language unacceptable, but I wouldn't use that word ('racist')
Of course it was effing racist.
Johnson is just..... yuck..... on every level.
Just apologise ffs!
(Not you @Cyclefree, obvs!)
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English voters loathing Scottish PM. A pattern?ydoethur said:
Not true. Macdonald was more widely loathed than Johnson. So much so that senior Tories seriously canvassed a coup to keep him out of power.ThomasNashe said:
Every Prime Minister in living memory has come to the office with a certain amount of goodwill, is seen by many as a refreshing change to his/ her predecessor - benefits from that honeymoon period, even if it's been quite short for one or two recently. But now for the first time, we're going to have a PM who is utterly loathed by a majority of the population from day one. That fact in itself does not augur well.Cyclefree said:
Yes. It's as bad as people using the word "inappropriate" instead of the word "wrong". A particular bugbear of mine.Nigelb said:
‘Cos it’s too close to home ?TheWhiteRabbit said:Boris: Trump's language unacceptable, but I wouldn't use that word ('racist')
Of course it was effing racist.
Johnson is just..... yuck..... on every level.
That questioner on education needs to go easier on the drugs.0 -
But they continue to lionise Salmond and Sturgeon? Not so much a honeymoon as a full-on marriage.StuartDickson said:
You’re obviously unfamiliar with Scottish politics. Goodwill towards PMs in London is usually nil from day one. Honeymoons are non-existent (Broon excepted). Utter loathing of upper-class twits is bog standard.ThomasNashe said:
Every Prime Minister in living memory has come to the office with a certain amount of goodwill, is seen by many as a refreshing change to his/ her predecessor - benefits from that honeymoon period, even if it's been quite short for one or two recently. But now for the first time, we're going to have a PM who is utterly loathed by a majority of the population from day one. That fact in itself does not augur well.Cyclefree said:
Yes. It's as bad as people using the word "inappropriate" instead of the word "wrong". A particular bugbear of mine.Nigelb said:
‘Cos it’s too close to home ?TheWhiteRabbit said:Boris: Trump's language unacceptable, but I wouldn't use that word ('racist')
Of course it was effing racist.
Johnson is just..... yuck..... on every level.
Maybe England is becoming jockified.
Does Salmond still show off his SNPness on RT?0 -
@SandyRentool
Made a quick out and back to Sheffield today to do the new "tram-train" service along the new chord from Meadowhall South to the mainline at Rotherham Central and then on into the new tram terminus at Parkgate
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Yet they were happy to serve under him in a notionally National Government for nearly six years!ydoethur said:
Not true. Macdonald was more widely loathed than Johnson. So much so that senior Tories seriously canvassed a coup to keep him out of power.ThomasNashe said:
Every Prime Minister in living memory has come to the office with a certain amount of goodwill, is seen by many as a refreshing change to his/ her predecessor - benefits from that honeymoon period, even if it's been quite short for one or two recently. But now for the first time, we're going to have a PM who is utterly loathed by a majority of the population from day one. That fact in itself does not augur well.Cyclefree said:
Yes. It's as bad as people using the word "inappropriate" instead of the word "wrong". A particular bugbear of mine.Nigelb said:
‘Cos it’s too close to home ?TheWhiteRabbit said:Boris: Trump's language unacceptable, but I wouldn't use that word ('racist')
Of course it was effing racist.
Johnson is just..... yuck..... on every level.
That questioner on education needs to go easier on the drugs.0 -
I was poking fun at those who pretend that the bad behaviour they have chosen is an "addiction" not those who are genuinely addicted. I.e. men who feel up women or assault them and then claim that they are "addicted" to sex or ill when the reality is that they are dirty old men with no manners or sense of decency.Benpointer said:
Ah yes - I must have missed that 1st time around. Most of your list is perceptive and well-said but...Cyclefree said:
Oh, I know. Why does no-one know how to bloody apologise these days?!Benpointer said:
Add to which: apologising "...for any offence caused".Cyclefree said:
Yes. It's as bad as people using the word "inappropriate" instead of the word "wrong". A particular bugbear of mine.Nigelb said:
‘Cos it’s too close to home ?TheWhiteRabbit said:Boris: Trump's language unacceptable, but I wouldn't use that word ('racist')
Of course it was effing racist.
Johnson is just..... yuck..... on every level.
Just apologise ffs!
(Not you @Cyclefree, obvs!)
Just repeat after me: "I am sorry." Then shut up.
Apologising for any offence caused is just a passive-aggressive way of pretending to apologise while doing no such thing.
Time to give this one - http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2017/11/06/the-pb-cynics-dictionary-especially-complied-for-the-times/ - another airing I think.
Rather prescient in some respects; note the reference to whistleblowing, for instance.
...I can't agree with you on 'Addiction'; no one chooses to be an addict imo, whereas bad behaviour is always a choice. Sorry to be po-faced on that one.
Sorry to be po-faced back. 0 -
The coffee remark was gratuitous.Cyclefree said:
And also behaviour is wrong regardless of whether offence is caused. The wrongness of behaviour does not depend on the reaction of the victim.dixiedean said:
If I caused offence grates...if you didn't then why are you apologising?Benpointer said:
Add to which: apologising "...for any offence caused".Cyclefree said:
Yes. It's as bad as people using the word "inappropriate" instead of the word "wrong". A particular bugbear of mine.Nigelb said:
‘Cos it’s too close to home ?TheWhiteRabbit said:Boris: Trump's language unacceptable, but I wouldn't use that word ('racist')
Of course it was effing racist.
Johnson is just..... yuck..... on every level.
Just apologise ffs!
(Not you @Cyclefree, obvs!)
When I am dictatrix of this blessed isle, as well as nudging people into not turning their coffee into Ovaltine, I will tell people in no uncertain terms that the words "right" and "wrong" are very useful words and concepts and euphemisms like "unacceptable" and "inappropriate" are not substitutes.
Clear blunt speaking is needed. Eg Trump is a racist arse. Johnson is a superficial fool whose mental and emotional age got stuck at 14. And so on.
But otherwise, spot on.0 -
Bah!ydoethur said:
I was just trying to ram a point home.Nigelb said:
Wether or not is up to ewe, of course.ydoethur said:
Indeed yes. Should I feel sheepish?Nigelb said:
Still hogging the pun stream, I see.ydoethur said:
I'm disappointed you missed the chance to write 'dam smarter leadership...'Zephyr said:
Behave. There is a serious point here. With these rumours flying around there are a lot of worried sheep out there this evening. Gove knows what the no deal plan is for the sheep, what is the problem making public that part of the plan and putting the worried sheep to bed? It’s a darn smarter leadership than being rude to people misrepresenting the plan and not clarifying it. Come on Michael, you can stop all tonight’s sheep worrying.Animal_pb said:
If you're going to branch out into other farmyard animals, I shall have to cry technical fowl.ydoethur said:
That's a pig to respond to. Sow I shan't attempt to.Animal_pb said:
I know you enjoy the punning limelight, but there's no need to hogget all.ydoethur said:
Ewe asked. I remain the tup punner.Animal_pb said:
No need to ram it down our throats.ydoethur said:
I think he was attempting a pun.Zephyr said:
Yes. The right thing for Michael to do is not go on a rude trump type attack, but explain the inaccuracy by explaining what the no deal plan is for sheep.eek said:
Note - he doesn't say where Jenny's statement is wrong. It might be that it's not 9m but 17.4mTheScreamingEagles said:
Gove also said after we voted to Leave we’d hold all the aces.eek said:
Gove is usually wrong on Brexit or has he started using again?
But as he is not very bright he bombed baaadly.
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Seven years later, when he had abandoned almost all his previous positions (and I think you will find it was four years - 1931-35).justin124 said:
Yet they were happy to serve under him in a notionally National Government for nearly six years!ydoethur said:
Not true. Macdonald was more widely loathed than Johnson. So much so that senior Tories seriously canvassed a coup to keep him out of power.ThomasNashe said:
Every Prime Minister in living memory has come to the office with a certain amount of goodwill, is seen by many as a refreshing change to his/ her predecessor - benefits from that honeymoon period, even if it's been quite short for one or two recently. But now for the first time, we're going to have a PM who is utterly loathed by a majority of the population from day one. That fact in itself does not augur well.Cyclefree said:
Yes. It's as bad as people using the word "inappropriate" instead of the word "wrong". A particular bugbear of mine.Nigelb said:
‘Cos it’s too close to home ?TheWhiteRabbit said:Boris: Trump's language unacceptable, but I wouldn't use that word ('racist')
Of course it was effing racist.
Johnson is just..... yuck..... on every level.
That questioner on education needs to go easier on the drugs.
People can change their views. You were happy to support Labour until Blair came along.
In the case of Macdonald, he was also fairly astutely used by Baldwin as a human shield for unpalatable financial and social measures - e.g. the means test - that if he had brought in would have caused rioting.
And finally, by 1933 he was pretty well incapable of functioning anyway due to dementia.0 -
Macdonald ended up being despised by his own party. I am not aware that Douglas-Home, Campbell-Bannerman and Balfour were particularly loathed.StuartDickson said:
English voters loathing Scottish PM. A pattern?ydoethur said:
Not true. Macdonald was more widely loathed than Johnson. So much so that senior Tories seriously canvassed a coup to keep him out of power.ThomasNashe said:
Every Prime Minister in living memory has come to the office with a certain amount of goodwill, is seen by many as a refreshing change to his/ her predecessor - benefits from that honeymoon period, even if it's been quite short for one or two recently. But now for the first time, we're going to have a PM who is utterly loathed by a majority of the population from day one. That fact in itself does not augur well.Cyclefree said:
Yes. It's as bad as people using the word "inappropriate" instead of the word "wrong". A particular bugbear of mine.Nigelb said:
‘Cos it’s too close to home ?TheWhiteRabbit said:Boris: Trump's language unacceptable, but I wouldn't use that word ('racist')
Of course it was effing racist.
Johnson is just..... yuck..... on every level.
That questioner on education needs to go easier on the drugs.0 -
All coffee is gratuitous. When I become dictator, we shall all drink hot chocolate.Nigelb said:
The coffee remark was gratuitous.Cyclefree said:
And also behaviour is wrong regardless of whether offence is caused. The wrongness of behaviour does not depend on the reaction of the victim.dixiedean said:
If I caused offence grates...if you didn't then why are you apologising?Benpointer said:
Add to which: apologising "...for any offence caused".Cyclefree said:
Yes. It's as bad as people using the word "inappropriate" instead of the word "wrong". A particular bugbear of mine.Nigelb said:
‘Cos it’s too close to home ?TheWhiteRabbit said:Boris: Trump's language unacceptable, but I wouldn't use that word ('racist')
Of course it was effing racist.
Johnson is just..... yuck..... on every level.
Just apologise ffs!
(Not you @Cyclefree, obvs!)
When I am dictatrix of this blessed isle, as well as nudging people into not turning their coffee into Ovaltine, I will tell people in no uncertain terms that the words "right" and "wrong" are very useful words and concepts and euphemisms like "unacceptable" and "inappropriate" are not substitutes.
Clear blunt speaking is needed. Eg Trump is a racist arse. Johnson is a superficial fool whose mental and emotional age got stuck at 14. And so on.
But otherwise, spot on.
And on that note, good night.0 -
It was indeed nearly four years - after which he swapped with Baldwin to become Lord President of the Council.ydoethur said:
Seven years later, when he had abandoned almost all his previous positions (and I think you will find it was four years - 1931-35).justin124 said:
Yet they were happy to serve under him in a notionally National Government for nearly six years!ydoethur said:
Not true. Macdonald was more widely loathed than Johnson. So much so that senior Tories seriously canvassed a coup to keep him out of power.ThomasNashe said:
Every Prime Minister in living memory has come to the office with a certain amount of goodwill, is seen by many as a refreshing change to his/ her predecessor - benefits from that honeymoon period, even if it's been quite short for one or two recently. But now for the first time, we're going to have a PM who is utterly loathed by a majority of the population from day one. That fact in itself does not augur well.Cyclefree said:
Yes. It's as bad as people using the word "inappropriate" instead of the word "wrong". A particular bugbear of mine.Nigelb said:
‘Cos it’s too close to home ?TheWhiteRabbit said:Boris: Trump's language unacceptable, but I wouldn't use that word ('racist')
Of course it was effing racist.
Johnson is just..... yuck..... on every level.
That questioner on education needs to go easier on the drugs.
People can change their views. You were happy to support Labour until Blair came along.
In the case of Macdonald, he was also fairly astutely used by Baldwin as a human shield for unpalatable financial and social measures - e.g. the means test - that if he had brought in would have caused rioting.
And finally, by 1933 he was pretty well incapable of functioning anyway due to dementia.0 -
I was being mischievous and teasing you.Nigelb said:
The coffee remark was gratuitous.Cyclefree said:
And also behaviour is wrong regardless of whether offence is caused. The wrongness of behaviour does not depend on the reaction of the victim.dixiedean said:
If I caused offence grates...if you didn't then why are you apologising?Benpointer said:
Add to which: apologising "...for any offence caused".Cyclefree said:
Yes. It's as bad as people using the word "inappropriate" instead of the word "wrong". A particular bugbear of mine.Nigelb said:
‘Cos it’s too close to home ?TheWhiteRabbit said:Boris: Trump's language unacceptable, but I wouldn't use that word ('racist')
Of course it was effing racist.
Johnson is just..... yuck..... on every level.
Just apologise ffs!
(Not you @Cyclefree, obvs!)
When I am dictatrix of this blessed isle, as well as nudging people into not turning their coffee into Ovaltine, I will tell people in no uncertain terms that the words "right" and "wrong" are very useful words and concepts and euphemisms like "unacceptable" and "inappropriate" are not substitutes.
Clear blunt speaking is needed. Eg Trump is a racist arse. Johnson is a superficial fool whose mental and emotional age got stuck at 14. And so on.
But otherwise, spot on. 0 -
A lot of the population want Bozo to fail . I detest him however .
If miraculously he manages a deal I’ll be the first to come on here and hold my hands up to say I was wrong .
The one thing I will say about him is he’d manage to proclaim the smallest concession from the EU as a great victory and I think many Tory Leavers would go along with it .
The reason being , so far the excuse is May wasn’t a true believer . If a so called believer still can’t make Brexit work then it might start dawning on people that Brexit itself might be the problem !0 -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nuj_bTMoAqsSunil_Prasannan said:@SandyRentool
Made a quick out and back to Sheffield today to do the new "tram-train" service along the new chord from Meadowhall South to the mainline at Rotherham Central and then on into the new tram terminus at Parkgate0 -
Next week we will lose this man - making a serious point about the spread of ebola in Africa -
and get a man who waves a kipper around during a speech instead.Arguing in the House of Commons today that we must be serious as a nation - and in particular at the moment - serious about the Ebola response. pic.twitter.com/yYjgGRUpw9
— Rory Stewart (@RoryStewartUK) July 17, 2019
It makes me want to weep with rage.0 -
I have just returned from Manchestsr Airport having picked up my son , his partner, and two of our grandchildren from their holiday flight
However, I must recount this extraordinary tale.
While waiting at Terminal 3 arrivals I observed several people using the car park pay machine. One of these was a lady with her husband/partner who was seeking assistance from the help phone. No one answered and a queue formed. The lady did not seem to know where to put in her parking token and I stepped forward to show her the slot to which she put in her token. Seconds later the fee came into view causing a gasp of horror from the lady and activating the camera phones from various people in the queue. The reason was the price displayed.
£675,000 yes six hundred and seventy five thousand pounds
She explained that she had booked their holiday with Thomas Cook who had arranged for a meet and greet service which did not turn up. She alleged Thomas Cook had told her to just leave her car in the car park. She disappeared for some time after the charge showed and returned with various pieces of paper, no doubt explaining the fee and the appeal process.
The obvious lessons in this is not to leave your car in the absence of meet and greet representatives taking it from you, and parking machine can make extraordinary errors0 -
Following his feet of clay performance at the first debate, the 'inevitability' of Biden's candidacy disappeared in a flash. There are 11 debates left.
If he has another sub-par performance at the next one in a couple of weeks, he could be toast.
Regardless I feel he is not going to be the eventual candidate. He is spending far too much time explaining, apologizing, and defending his 40 year political record.0 -
That's the one!another_richard said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nuj_bTMoAqsSunil_Prasannan said:@SandyRentool
Made a quick out and back to Sheffield today to do the new "tram-train" service along the new chord from Meadowhall South to the mainline at Rotherham Central and then on into the new tram terminus at Parkgate0 -
My wordBig_G_NorthWales said:I have just returned from Manchestsr Airport having picked up my son , his partner, and two of our grandchildren from their holiday flight
However, I must recount this extraordinary tale.
While waiting at Terminal 3 arrivals I observed several people using the car park pay machine. One of these was a lady with her husband/partner who was seeking assistance from the help phone. No one answered and a queue formed. The lady did not seem to know where to put in her parking token and I stepped forward to show her the slot to which she put in her token. Seconds later the fee came into view causing a gasp of horror from the lady and activating the camera phones from various people in the queue. The reason was the price displayed.
£675,000 yes six hundred and seventy five thousand pounds
She explained that she had booked their holiday with Thomas Cook who had arranged for a meet and greet service which did not turn up. She alleged Thomas Cook had told her to just leave her car in the car park. She disappeared for some time after the charge showed and returned with various pieces of paper, no doubt explaining the fee and the appeal process.
The obvious lessons in this is not to leave your car in the absence of meet and greet representatives taking it from you, and parking machine can make extraordinary errors
Did she manage to get her car out? 0 -
Or you can just use the train or tram to Manchester Airport.Big_G_NorthWales said:I have just returned from Manchestsr Airport having picked up my son , his partner, and two of our grandchildren from their holiday flight
However, I must recount this extraordinary tale.
While waiting at Terminal 3 arrivals I observed several people using the car park pay machine. One of these was a lady with her husband/partner who was seeking assistance from the help phone. No one answered and a queue formed. The lady did not seem to know where to put in her parking token and I stepped forward to show her the slot to which she put in her token. Seconds later the fee came into view causing a gasp of horror from the lady and activating the camera phones from various people in the queue. The reason was the price displayed.
£675,000 yes six hundred and seventy five thousand pounds
She explained that she had booked their holiday with Thomas Cook who had arranged for a meet and greet service which did not turn up. She alleged Thomas Cook had told her to just leave her car in the car park. She disappeared for some time after the charge showed and returned with various pieces of paper, no doubt explaining the fee and the appeal process.
The obvious lessons in this is not to leave your car in the absence of meet and greet representatives taking it from you, and parking machine can make extraordinary errors0 -
and get a man who waves a kipper around during a speech instead.Cyclefree said:Next week we will lose this man - making a serious point about the spread of ebola in Africa -
Arguing in the House of Commons today that we must be serious as a nation - and in particular at the moment - serious about the Ebola response. pic.twitter.com/yYjgGRUpw9
— Rory Stewart (@RoryStewartUK) July 17, 2019
It makes me want to weep with rage.
Rory was very good today but Boris did surprise me on the upside with his pro diversity and pro entreprenuers attitude. I have not voted for him, and have very low expectations, but he did say he would not deal with Farage and he will take chunks out of Corbyn; also he may just get Brexit over the line
The point about the kipper and ice brace was well made and is a nonsense regulation0 -
I have no idea but she/they were very flusteredRobD said:
My wordBig_G_NorthWales said:I have just returned from Manchestsr Airport having picked up my son , his partner, and two of our grandchildren from their holiday flight
However, I must recount this extraordinary tale.
While waiting at Terminal 3 arrivals I observed several people using the car park pay machine. One of these was a lady with her husband/partner who was seeking assistance from the help phone. No one answered and a queue formed. The lady did not seem to know where to put in her parking token and I stepped forward to show her the slot to which she put in her token. Seconds later the fee came into view causing a gasp of horror from the lady and activating the camera phones from various people in the queue. The reason was the price displayed.
£675,000 yes six hundred and seventy five thousand pounds
She explained that she had booked their holiday with Thomas Cook who had arranged for a meet and greet service which did not turn up. She alleged Thomas Cook had told her to just leave her car in the car park. She disappeared for some time after the charge showed and returned with various pieces of paper, no doubt explaining the fee and the appeal process.
The obvious lessons in this is not to leave your car in the absence of meet and greet representatives taking it from you, and parking machine can make extraordinary errors Did she manage to get her car out?0 -
Nixon in China.nico67 said:A lot of the population want Bozo to fail . I detest him however .
If miraculously he manages a deal I’ll be the first to come on here and hold my hands up to say I was wrong .
The one thing I will say about him is he’d manage to proclaim the smallest concession from the EU as a great victory and I think many Tory Leavers would go along with it .
The reason being , so far the excuse is May wasn’t a true believer . If a so called believer still can’t make Brexit work then it might start dawning on people that Brexit itself might be the problem !
The Brexiters will only stomach being sold out by one of their own.
Just a shame that Bozo isn’t that.0 -
What's the parking daily charge?Big_G_NorthWales said:
I have no idea but she/they were very flusteredRobD said:
My wordBig_G_NorthWales said:I have just returned from Manchestsr Airport having picked up my son , his partner, and two of our grandchildren from their holiday flight
However, I must recount this extraordinary tale.
While waiting at Terminal 3 arrivals I observed several people using the car park pay machine. One of these was a lady with her husband/partner who was seeking assistance from the help phone. No one answered and a queue formed. The lady did not seem to know where to put in her parking token and I stepped forward to show her the slot to which she put in her token. Seconds later the fee came into view causing a gasp of horror from the lady and activating the camera phones from various people in the queue. The reason was the price displayed.
£675,000 yes six hundred and seventy five thousand pounds
She explained that she had booked their holiday with Thomas Cook who had arranged for a meet and greet service which did not turn up. She alleged Thomas Cook had told her to just leave her car in the car park. She disappeared for some time after the charge showed and returned with various pieces of paper, no doubt explaining the fee and the appeal process.
The obvious lessons in this is not to leave your car in the absence of meet and greet representatives taking it from you, and parking machine can make extraordinary errors Did she manage to get her car out?0 -
I wonder if the others with the mobiles have sold the story to a newspaper? I doubt you would but they might! Interesting story all the same. Watch the Daily Mail etc for it!Big_G_NorthWales said:I have just returned from Manchestsr Airport having picked up my son , his partner, and two of our grandchildren from their holiday flight
However, I must recount this extraordinary tale.
While waiting at Terminal 3 arrivals I observed several people using the car park pay machine. One of these was a lady with her husband/partner who was seeking assistance from the help phone. No one answered and a queue formed. The lady did not seem to know where to put in her parking token and I stepped forward to show her the slot to which she put in her token. Seconds later the fee came into view causing a gasp of horror from the lady and activating the camera phones from various people in the queue. The reason was the price displayed.
£675,000 yes six hundred and seventy five thousand pounds
She explained that she had booked their holiday with Thomas Cook who had arranged for a meet and greet service which did not turn up. She alleged Thomas Cook had told her to just leave her car in the car park. She disappeared for some time after the charge showed and returned with various pieces of paper, no doubt explaining the fee and the appeal process.
The obvious lessons in this is not to leave your car in the absence of meet and greet representatives taking it from you, and parking machine can make extraordinary errors0 -
Indeed but not taken on board by many. I drove all 5 floors in the short stay car park and not one space available. In the end I waited patiently on the top floor (5) and eventually one person came and took his car away providing one space for me with cars queuing behind me.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Or you can just use the train or tram to Manchester Airport.Big_G_NorthWales said:I have just returned from Manchestsr Airport having picked up my son , his partner, and two of our grandchildren from their holiday flight
However, I must recount this extraordinary tale.
While waiting at Terminal 3 arrivals I observed several people using the car park pay machine. One of these was a lady with her husband/partner who was seeking assistance from the help phone. No one answered and a queue formed. The lady did not seem to know where to put in her parking token and I stepped forward to show her the slot to which she put in her token. Seconds later the fee came into view causing a gasp of horror from the lady and activating the camera phones from various people in the queue. The reason was the price displayed.
£675,000 yes six hundred and seventy five thousand pounds
She explained that she had booked their holiday with Thomas Cook who had arranged for a meet and greet service which did not turn up. She alleged Thomas Cook had told her to just leave her car in the car park. She disappeared for some time after the charge showed and returned with various pieces of paper, no doubt explaining the fee and the appeal process.
The obvious lessons in this is not to leave your car in the absence of meet and greet representatives taking it from you, and parking machine can make extraordinary errors0 -
I'm guessing its a short-term car park that charges per half hour or something like that, but still that's insane.Sunil_Prasannan said:
What's the parking daily charge?Big_G_NorthWales said:
I have no idea but she/they were very flusteredRobD said:
My wordBig_G_NorthWales said:I have just returned from Manchestsr Airport having picked up my son , his partner, and two of our grandchildren from their holiday flight
However, I must recount this extraordinary tale.
While waiting at Terminal 3 arrivals I observed several people using the car park pay machine. One of these was a lady with her husband/partner who was seeking assistance from the help phone. No one answered and a queue formed. The lady did not seem to know where to put in her parking token and I stepped forward to show her the slot to which she put in her token. Seconds later the fee came into view causing a gasp of horror from the lady and activating the camera phones from various people in the queue. The reason was the price displayed.
£675,000 yes six hundred and seventy five thousand pounds
She explained that she had booked their holiday with Thomas Cook who had arranged for a meet and greet service which did not turn up. She alleged Thomas Cook had told her to just leave her car in the car park. She disappeared for some time after the charge showed and returned with various pieces of paper, no doubt explaining the fee and the appeal process.
The obvious lessons in this is not to leave your car in the absence of meet and greet representatives taking it from you, and parking machine can make extraordinary errors Did she manage to get her car out?0 -
Must have been a few weeks at an extortionate hourly rate surely?Sunil_Prasannan said:
What's the parking daily charge?Big_G_NorthWales said:
I have no idea but she/they were very flusteredRobD said:
My wordBig_G_NorthWales said:I have just returned from Manchestsr Airport having picked up my son , his partner, and two of our grandchildren from their holiday flight
However, I must recount this extraordinary tale.
While waiting at Terminal 3 arrivals I observed several people using the car park pay machine. One of these was a lady with her husband/partner who was seeking assistance from the help phone. No one answered and a queue formed. The lady did not seem to know where to put in her parking token and I stepped forward to show her the slot to which she put in her token. Seconds later the fee came into view causing a gasp of horror from the lady and activating the camera phones from various people in the queue. The reason was the price displayed.
£675,000 yes six hundred and seventy five thousand pounds
She explained that she had booked their holiday with Thomas Cook who had arranged for a meet and greet service which did not turn up. She alleged Thomas Cook had told her to just leave her car in the car park. She disappeared for some time after the charge showed and returned with various pieces of paper, no doubt explaining the fee and the appeal process.
The obvious lessons in this is not to leave your car in the absence of meet and greet representatives taking it from you, and parking machine can make extraordinary errors Did she manage to get her car out?0 -
I paid £10 for two hours but I think it is £40Sunil_Prasannan said:
What's the parking daily charge?Big_G_NorthWales said:
I have no idea but she/they were very flusteredRobD said:
My wordBig_G_NorthWales said:I have just returned from Manchestsr Airport having picked up my son , his partner, and two of our grandchildren from their holiday flight
However, I must recount this extraordinary tale.
While waiting at Terminal 3 arrivals I observed several people using the car park pay machine. One of these was a lady with her husband/partner who was seeking assistance from the help phone. No one answered and a queue formed. The lady did not seem to know where to put in her parking token and I stepped forward to show her the slot to which she put in her token. Seconds later the fee came into view causing a gasp of horror from the lady and activating the camera phones from various people in the queue. The reason was the price displayed.
£675,000 yes six hundred and seventy five thousand pounds
She explained that she had booked their holiday with Thomas Cook who had arranged for a meet and greet service which did not turn up. She alleged Thomas Cook had told her to just leave her car in the car park. She disappeared for some time after the charge showed and returned with various pieces of paper, no doubt explaining the fee and the appeal process.
The obvious lessons in this is not to leave your car in the absence of meet and greet representatives taking it from you, and parking machine can make extraordinary errors Did she manage to get her car out?0 -
Rory was very good today but Boris did surprise me on the upside with his pro diversity and pro entreprenuers attitude. I have not voted for him, and have very low expectations, but he did say he would not deal with Farage and he will take chunks out of Corbyn; also he may just get Brexit over the lineBig_G_NorthWales said:
and get a man who waves a kipper around during a speech instead.Cyclefree said:Next week we will lose this man - making a serious point about the spread of ebola in Africa -
Arguing in the House of Commons today that we must be serious as a nation - and in particular at the moment - serious about the Ebola response. pic.twitter.com/yYjgGRUpw9
— Rory Stewart (@RoryStewartUK) July 17, 2019
It makes me want to weep with rage.
The point about the kipper and ice brace was well made and is a nonsense regulation
In response to @Big_G_NorthWales:-
Sorry but no: the kipper point is a pathetic one. Leave the EU to avoid sending fish in a way which does not make it rot and smell. It's an unbelievably trivial and frivolous way of approaching an important subject. Just about good enough for a column but no way for a potential PM to think about a policy which could destroy or seriously harm many sectors in this country.
Your beloved Tory party is no longer a serious party, I'm sorry to say. It has become frivolous, unserious, contemptuous of others and self-indulgent. And a menace to good governance in this country.0 -
Did it make you weep?Benpointer said:
Willows too.Cyclefree said:
Eucalyptus does the same thing. Never ever plant it near foundations or drains.OblitusSumMe said:
I once planted mint in an old wooden drawer outside, but the roots escaped and it made its way into the soil. Madly impressive.Cyclefree said:
Never ever plant mint directly into the ground. It's an absolute thug of a plant and will take over. Always in a pot.Pulpstar said:
I've heard it runs absolubtely riot if planted into soil outwith a pot !AlastairMeeks said:
I’m just glad I’ve got plenty of mint in the garden.Nigelb said:
As I said earlier, Boris will spin it as a Brexit hecatomb.AlastairMeeks said:
Ah, the Marie Antoinette approach: let them eat lamb.HYUFD said:
If you are a meat eater by definition most lambs will be raised for your consumption, if you are a vegetarian they will not be and indeed most would probably never be raised at all if all followed your lead, whether a Lamb is slaughtered in the UK post No Deal Brexit or slaughtered in the UK and eaten in France or Germany or sent outside the EU to New Zealand or the US to be eaten the lamb is still facing the same fate regardlessAlastairMeeks said:Lambs to the slaughter for the death cult Leavers.
I suspect the sheep pyres would be a more doleful sight on television.
‘A necessary sacrifice...’
And daffodil bulbs and others will push up brick paving if the latter is not laid properly. Nature is a fearsome thing.
We had a willow in our front garden in Yorkshire which manged to get its roots into our drain, sceptic tank, and through the concrete wall lining our pond. We only realised when we started to see the roots emerging from crack in the wall underwater.0 -
Unless there's a malfunction then it would take 44 years to get that fee.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I paid £10 for two hours but I think it is £40Sunil_Prasannan said:
What's the parking daily charge?Big_G_NorthWales said:
I have no idea but she/they were very flusteredRobD said:
My wordBig_G_NorthWales said:I have just returned from Manchestsr Airport having picked up my son , his partner, and two of our grandchildren from their holiday flight
However, I must recount this extraordinary tale.
While waiting at Terminal 3 arrivals I observed several people using the car park pay machine. One of these was a lady with her husband/partner who was seeking assistance from the help phone. No one answered and a queue formed. The lady did not seem to know where to put in her parking token and I stepped forward to show her the slot to which she put in her token. Seconds later the fee came into view causing a gasp of horror from the lady and activating the camera phones from various people in the queue. The reason was the price displayed.
£675,000 yes six hundred and seventy five thousand pounds
She explained that she had booked their holiday with Thomas Cook who had arranged for a meet and greet service which did not turn up. She alleged Thomas Cook had told her to just leave her car in the car park. She disappeared for some time after the charge showed and returned with various pieces of paper, no doubt explaining the fee and the appeal process.
The obvious lessons in this is not to leave your car in the absence of meet and greet representatives taking it from you, and parking machine can make extraordinary errors Did she manage to get her car out?
Then again even at £5 per hour it would take nearly 15 years so I'm assuming some malfunction.0 -
I did not think of that one to be honest but while the most I intend doing is sharing it with my fellow *posters someone else may see an opportunityThe_Taxman said:
I wonder if the others with the mobiles have sold the story to a newspaper? I doubt you would but they might! Interesting story all the same. Watch the Daily Mail etc for it!Big_G_NorthWales said:I have just returned from Manchestsr Airport having picked up my son , his partner, and two of our grandchildren from their holiday flight
However, I must recount this extraordinary tale.
While waiting at Terminal 3 arrivals I observed several people using the car park pay machine. One of these was a lady with her husband/partner who was seeking assistance from the help phone. No one answered and a queue formed. The lady did not seem to know where to put in her parking token and I stepped forward to show her the slot to which she put in her token. Seconds later the fee came into view causing a gasp of horror from the lady and activating the camera phones from various people in the queue. The reason was the price displayed.
£675,000 yes six hundred and seventy five thousand pounds
She explained that she had booked their holiday with Thomas Cook who had arranged for a meet and greet service which did not turn up. She alleged Thomas Cook had told her to just leave her car in the car park. She disappeared for some time after the charge showed and returned with various pieces of paper, no doubt explaining the fee and the appeal process.
The obvious lessons in this is not to leave your car in the absence of meet and greet representatives taking it from you, and parking machine can make extraordinary errors
*quick edit !!!!0 -
Just coming back from the London Hustings at the Excel centre.
Boris gave his usual tour de force full of bravado and optimism about infrastructure and technology as well as post Brexit Britain plus his usual quips and jokes (including a brilliant one featuring a kipper complete with prop). As usual Boris committed to deliver Brexit on October 31st and beat Corbyn, however he ruled out a pact with the Brexit Party despite Farage being a former drinking companion. Both he and Hunt wanted to remove the backstop but both also promised to prevent a hard border in Ireland.
Hunt also had some good ideas about social care and young people and was smooth as usual.
One thing I certainly felt was both would be miles better than Corbyn and Boris Leader and Hunt Deputy would be an ideal combination0 -
Let’s hope his pledge this week of an extra £50m funding is honoured by whoever it is that takes his post.Cyclefree said:Next week we will lose this man - making a serious point about the spread of ebola in Africa -
Arguing in the House of Commons today that we must be serious as a nation - and in particular at the moment - serious about the Ebola response. pic.twitter.com/yYjgGRUpw9
— Rory Stewart (@RoryStewartUK) July 17, 2019
and get a man who waves a kipper around during a speech instead.
It makes me want to weep with rage.
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True, but I overheard a conductor telling a woman who had not planned for extra time between the train arrival at the airport and flight departure being told the train services between a city centre and an airport had been suspended and so she was panicked as it was rush hour and a taxi would not get her to the airport on time.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Or you can just use the train or tram to Manchester Airport.Big_G_NorthWales said:I have just returned from Manchestsr Airport having picked up my son , his partner, and two of our grandchildren from their holiday flight
However, I must recount this extraordinary tale.
While waiting at Terminal 3 arrivals I observed several people using the car park pay machine. One of these was a lady with her husband/partner who was seeking assistance from the help phone. No one answered and a queue formed. The lady did not seem to know where to put in her parking token and I stepped forward to show her the slot to which she put in her token. Seconds later the fee came into view causing a gasp of horror from the lady and activating the camera phones from various people in the queue. The reason was the price displayed.
£675,000 yes six hundred and seventy five thousand pounds
She explained that she had booked their holiday with Thomas Cook who had arranged for a meet and greet service which did not turn up. She alleged Thomas Cook had told her to just leave her car in the car park. She disappeared for some time after the charge showed and returned with various pieces of paper, no doubt explaining the fee and the appeal process.
The obvious lessons in this is not to leave your car in the absence of meet and greet representatives taking it from you, and parking machine can make extraordinary errors
I tend to catch Trains to airports all the same!0 -
I've spent that much in hospital car parking fees recently!Big_G_NorthWales said:I have just returned from Manchestsr Airport having picked up my son , his partner, and two of our grandchildren from their holiday flight
However, I must recount this extraordinary tale.
While waiting at Terminal 3 arrivals I observed several people using the car park pay machine. One of these was a lady with her husband/partner who was seeking assistance from the help phone. No one answered and a queue formed. The lady did not seem to know where to put in her parking token and I stepped forward to show her the slot to which she put in her token. Seconds later the fee came into view causing a gasp of horror from the lady and activating the camera phones from various people in the queue. The reason was the price displayed.
£675,000 yes six hundred and seventy five thousand pounds
She explained that she had booked their holiday with Thomas Cook who had arranged for a meet and greet service which did not turn up. She alleged Thomas Cook had told her to just leave her car in the car park. She disappeared for some time after the charge showed and returned with various pieces of paper, no doubt explaining the fee and the appeal process.
The obvious lessons in this is not to leave your car in the absence of meet and greet representatives taking it from you, and parking machine can make extraordinary errors0 -
That might be true but Brexiters are so heavily invested in him that they’ll filter out the bits they don’t like .IanB2 said:
Nixon in China.nico67 said:A lot of the population want Bozo to fail . I detest him however .
If miraculously he manages a deal I’ll be the first to come on here and hold my hands up to say I was wrong .
The one thing I will say about him is he’d manage to proclaim the smallest concession from the EU as a great victory and I think many Tory Leavers would go along with it .
The reason being , so far the excuse is May wasn’t a true believer . If a so called believer still can’t make Brexit work then it might start dawning on people that Brexit itself might be the problem !
The Brexiters will only stomach being sold out by one of their own.
Just a shame that Bozo isn’t that.
For them Bozo has to succeed even if he doesn’t ! May overcompensated from the start to show her Brexit credentials .
If anyone can dupe Leavers into thinking they got a great deal then Bozo can and that really is the only crumb of comfort .
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There was a time - not very long ago, actually - when the Conservative Party had higher aspirations than being better than a has-been, anti-Semitic, economically illiterate, terrorist-sympathising, manifestly incompetent far-left extremist.HYUFD said:[snip]
One thing I certainly felt was both would be miles better than Corbyn ...
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Blair was born in Edinburgh, Cameron comes from a Scottish family, both won majorities in EnglandStuartDickson said:
English voters loathing Scottish PM. A pattern?ydoethur said:
Not true. Macdonald was more widely loathed than Johnson. So much so that senior Tories seriously canvassed a coup to keep him out of power.ThomasNashe said:
Every Prime Minister in living memory has come to the office with a certain amount of goodwill, is seen by many as a refreshing change to his/ her predecessor - benefits from that honeymoon period, even if it's been quite short for one or two recently. But now for the first time, we're going to have a PM who is utterly loathed by a majority of the population from day one. That fact in itself does not augur well.Cyclefree said:
Yes. It's as bad as people using the word "inappropriate" instead of the word "wrong". A particular bugbear of mine.Nigelb said:
‘Cos it’s too close to home ?TheWhiteRabbit said:Boris: Trump's language unacceptable, but I wouldn't use that word ('racist')
Of course it was effing racist.
Johnson is just..... yuck..... on every level.
That questioner on education needs to go easier on the drugs.0 -
Are you really sure there is such a regulation Big_G?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Rory was very good today but Boris did surprise me on the upside with his pro diversity and pro entreprenuers attitude. I have not voted for him, and have very low expectations, but he did say he would not deal with Farage and he will take chunks out of Corbyn; also he may just get Brexit over the lineCyclefree said:Next week we will lose this man - making a serious point about the spread of ebola in Africa -
and get a man who waves a kipper around during a speech instead.
It makes me want to weep with rage.
The point about the kipper and ice brace was well made and is a nonsense regulation
Seems to conflict with this from Parcelforce:
"Packages of fish should be smoked or chilled, and sealed in vacuum packs before sending. In all cases they must be enclosed in adequate polystyrene containment to prevent contamination."... "Frozen water and dry ice are prohibited. "
https://www.parcelforce.com/help-and-advice/sending/prohibitions-and-restrictions1 -
Brexiteers are not invested in BoJo. BoJo gets this job because of Tory MPs and Party members.nico67 said:
That might be true but Brexiters are so heavily invested in him that they’ll filter out the bits they don’t like .IanB2 said:
Nixon in China.nico67 said:A lot of the population want Bozo to fail . I detest him however .
If miraculously he manages a deal I’ll be the first to come on here and hold my hands up to say I was wrong .
The one thing I will say about him is he’d manage to proclaim the smallest concession from the EU as a great victory and I think many Tory Leavers would go along with it .
The reason being , so far the excuse is May wasn’t a true believer . If a so called believer still can’t make Brexit work then it might start dawning on people that Brexit itself might be the problem !
The Brexiters will only stomach being sold out by one of their own.
Just a shame that Bozo isn’t that.
For them Bozo has to succeed even if he doesn’t ! May overcompensated from the start to show her Brexit credentials .
If anyone can dupe Leavers into thinking they got a great deal then Bozo can and that really is the only crumb of comfort .
The vast majority of leavers will support BoJo at the ballot box or not depending on his actions and results if he gets the job. BoJo and Hunt both seem to understand this.0 -
Maybe future generations will write an opera about it? Or maybe not.IanB2 said:
Nixon in China.nico67 said:A lot of the population want Bozo to fail . I detest him however .
If miraculously he manages a deal I’ll be the first to come on here and hold my hands up to say I was wrong .
The one thing I will say about him is he’d manage to proclaim the smallest concession from the EU as a great victory and I think many Tory Leavers would go along with it .
The reason being , so far the excuse is May wasn’t a true believer . If a so called believer still can’t make Brexit work then it might start dawning on people that Brexit itself might be the problem !
The Brexiters will only stomach being sold out by one of their own.
Just a shame that Bozo isn’t that.0 -
Salmond was a brilliant politician and great FM of Scotland, sorely missed.ydoethur said:
But they continue to lionise Salmond and Sturgeon? Not so much a honeymoon as a full-on marriage.StuartDickson said:
You’re obviously unfamiliar with Scottish politics. Goodwill towards PMs in London is usually nil from day one. Honeymoons are non-existent (Broon excepted). Utter loathing of upper-class twits is bog standard.ThomasNashe said:
Every Prime Minister in living memory has come to the office with a certain amount of goodwill, is seen by many as a refreshing change to his/ her predecessor - benefits from that honeymoon period, even if it's been quite short for one or two recently. But now for the first time, we're going to have a PM who is utterly loathed by a majority of the population from day one. That fact in itself does not augur well.Cyclefree said:
Yes. It's as bad as people using the word "inappropriate" instead of the word "wrong". A particular bugbear of mine.Nigelb said:
‘Cos it’s too close to home ?TheWhiteRabbit said:Boris: Trump's language unacceptable, but I wouldn't use that word ('racist')
Of course it was effing racist.
Johnson is just..... yuck..... on every level.
Maybe England is becoming jockified.
Does Salmond still show off his SNPness on RT?0 -
The Isle of Man is not in the EU, is it?0
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In response to @Big_G_NorthWales:-Cyclefree said:
Rory was very good today but Boris did surprise me on the upside with his pro diversity and pro entreprenuers attitude. I have not voted for him, and have very low expectations, but he did say he would not deal with Farage and he will take chunks out of Corbyn; also he may just get Brexit over the lineBig_G_NorthWales said:
and get a man who waves a kipper around during a speech instead.Cyclefree said:Next week we will lose this man - making a serious point about the spread of ebola in Africa -
Arguing in the House of Commons today that we must be serious as a nation - and in particular at the moment - serious about the Ebola response. pic.twitter.com/yYjgGRUpw9
— Rory Stewart (@RoryStewartUK) July 17, 2019
It makes me want to weep with rage.
The point about the kipper and ice brace was well made and is a nonsense regulation
Sorry but no: the kipper point is a pathetic one. Leave the EU to avoid sending fish in a way which does not make it rot and smell. It's an unbelievably trivial and frivolous way of approaching an important subject. Just about good enough for a column but no way for a potential PM to think about a policy which could destroy or seriously harm many sectors in this country.
Your beloved Tory party is no longer a serious party, I'm sorry to say. It has become frivolous, unserious, contemptuous of others and self-indulgent. And a menace to good governance in this country.
I do accept your comments as I have great respect for your views.
The ERG in my party are appalling but as much as I have doubts on Boris, the alternatives of Farage or Corbyn are far worse
Also Brussels do make stupid laws from time to time. The EU is far from perfect0 -
I do apologise for my most inconvenient question. I do hope it hasn't caused offence. I realise now that asking politicians to come up with an answer or a plan for how they intend to achieve things is an absolute impertinence which a mere voter should try and avoid.dixiedean said:
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How many times did the audience laugh? You do realise that in contrast to IDS who had the amount of times the audience gave standing ovations as leader, Boris will be judged by how many times he can make the audience laugh? People are actually voting for the idiot because "he makes them laugh", not his stoicism in getting a deal or optimism to the point of stupidity.HYUFD said:Just coming back from the London Hustings at the Excel centre.
Boris gave his usual tour de force full of bravado and optimism about infrastructure and technology as well as post Brexit Britain plus his usual quips and jokes (including a brilliant one featuring a kipper complete with prop). As usual Boris committed to deliver Brexit on October 31st and beat Corbyn, however he ruled out a pact with the Brexit Party despite Farage being a former drinking companion. Both he and Hunt wanted to remove the backstop but both also promised to prevent a hard border in Ireland.
Hunt also had some good ideas about social care and young people and was smooth as usual.
One thing I certainly felt was both would be miles better than Corbyn and Boris Leader and Hunt Deputy would be an ideal combination0 -
Hillary was Senator from New York but she did win the popular vote, however she lacks the folksy appeal of Bidenwilliamglenn said:
Trump is an out-and-out member of the coastal elite who beat a centrist with a background in Illinois and Arkansas last time. The theory that being from a wealthy coastal state dooms you in the rustbelt is disproven by 2016.HYUFD said:
At the end of the day either you are a centrist like Biden with a rustbelt background from Scranton able to take on Trump in the key rustbelt and Midwest swing states or you are not but a left liberal from a wealthy coastal state, no matter how brilliant your TV packagercs1000 said:
Firstly, the whole point is that you and I would both work together to create the poll. The goal isn't for one of us to be proven right, the goal is to find out the truth.HYUFD said:
If you somehow believe a poll you pay for will disprove every other poll (including those taken after the first Democratic debates where Harris and Warren got plenty of coverage) and show Harris and Warren trouncing Trump but Trump trouncing Biden, be my guest and do one!rcs1000 said:
Did you see my proposal on the last but one thread? I suggested how we can test your hypothesis with science, and even offered to pay for it.HYUFD said:I think it is likely now that the Democrats will prefer the small chance of beating Trump with Harris and Warren to the strong chance of beating Trump with Biden
Secondly, the hypothesis that we're testing is about how people feel about Biden relative to other candidates once they are exposed to them via watching a 30 second video clip. Can you think of a better way to understand how people will react to the candidates once they know them better?0 -
It has to be but the process of disputing it and agreeing the correct price is the last thing you want on returning from holidayPhilip_Thompson said:
Unless there's a malfunction then it would take 44 years to get that fee.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I paid £10 for two hours but I think it is £40Sunil_Prasannan said:
What's the parking daily charge?Big_G_NorthWales said:
I have no idea but she/they were very flusteredRobD said:
My wordBig_G_NorthWales said:I have just returned from Manchestsr Airport having picked up my son , his partner, and two of our grandchildren from their holiday flight
However, I must recount this extraordinary tale.
While waiting at Terminal 3 arrivals I observed several people using the car park pay machine. One of these was a lady with her husband/partner who was seeking assistance from the help phone. No one answered and a queue formed. The lady did not seem to know where to put in her parking token and I stepped forward to show her the slot to which she put in her token. Seconds later the fee came into view causing a gasp of horror from the lady and activating the camera phones from various people in the queue. The reason was the price displayed.
£675,000 yes six hundred and seventy five thousand pounds
She explained that she had booked their holiday with Thomas Cook who had arranged for a meet and greet service which did not turn up. She alleged Thomas Cook had told her to just leave her car in the car park. She disappeared for some time after the charge showed and returned with various pieces of paper, no doubt explaining the fee and the appeal process.
The obvious lessons in this is not to leave your car in the absence of meet and greet representatives taking it from you, and parking machine can make extraordinary errors Did she manage to get her car out?
Then again even at £5 per hour it would take nearly 15 years so I'm assuming some malfunction.0 -
Well if they don't deliver Brexit that or PM Farage may be the resultRichard_Nabavi said:
There was a time - not very long ago, actually - when the Conservative Party had higher aspirations than being better than a has-been, anti-Semitic, economically illiterate, terrorist-sympathising, manifestly incompetent far-left extremist.HYUFD said:[snip]
One thing I certainly felt was both would be miles better than Corbyn ...0 -
I need to fly from Manchester on Monday morning (as the flights from local airports are full). Given that I'm not driving at 3am and I'm not paying for it -it's the train on Sunday night and the a night at the Crowne Plaza...The_Taxman said:
True, but I overheard a conductor telling a woman who had not planned for extra time between the train arrival at the airport and flight departure being told the train services between a city centre and an airport had been suspended and so she was panicked as it was rush hour and a taxi would not get her to the airport on time.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Or you can just use the train or tram to Manchester Airport.Big_G_NorthWales said:I have just returned from Manchestsr Airport having picked up my son , his partner, and two of our grandchildren from their holiday flight
However, I must recount this extraordinary tale.
While waiting at Terminal 3 arrivals I observed several people using the car park pay machine. One of these was a lady with her husband/partner who was seeking assistance from the help phone. No one answered and a queue formed. The lady did not seem to know where to put in her parking token and I stepped forward to show her the slot to which she put in her token. Seconds later the fee came into view causing a gasp of horror from the lady and activating the camera phones from various people in the queue. The reason was the price displayed.
£675,000 yes six hundred and seventy five thousand pounds
She explained that she had booked their holiday with Thomas Cook who had arranged for a meet and greet service which did not turn up. She alleged Thomas Cook had told her to just leave her car in the car park. She disappeared for some time after the charge showed and returned with various pieces of paper, no doubt explaining the fee and the appeal process.
The obvious lessons in this is not to leave your car in the absence of meet and greet representatives taking it from you, and parking machine can make extraordinary errors
I tend to catch Trains to airports all the same!
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The secret revealed. Boris is adding another day to OctoberHYUFD said:Just coming back from the London Hustings at the Excel centre.
Boris gave his usual tour de force full of bravado and optimism about infrastructure and technology as well as post Brexit Britain plus his usual quips and jokes (including a brilliant one featuring a kipper complete with prop). As usual Boris committed to deliver Brexit on October 31st and beat Corbyn, however he ruled out a pact with the Brexit Party despite Farage being a former drinking companion. Both he and Hunt wanted to remove the backstop but both also promised to prevent a hard border in Ireland.
Hunt also had some good ideas about social care and young people and was smooth as usual.
One thing I certainly felt was both would be miles better than Corbyn and Boris Leader and Hunt Deputy would be an ideal combination0 -
First Minister wasn't what first came to mind in the context of Salmondmalcolmg said:
Salmond was a brilliant politician and great FM of Scotland, sorely missed.ydoethur said:
But they continue to lionise Salmond and Sturgeon? Not so much a honeymoon as a full-on marriage.StuartDickson said:
You’re obviously unfamiliar with Scottish politics. Goodwill towards PMs in London is usually nil from day one. Honeymoons are non-existent (Broon excepted). Utter loathing of upper-class twits is bog standard.ThomasNashe said:
Every Prime Minister in living memory has come to the office with a certain amount of goodwill, is seen by many as a refreshing change to his/ her predecessor - benefits from that honeymoon period, even if it's been quite short for one or two recently. But now for the first time, we're going to have a PM who is utterly loathed by a majority of the population from day one. That fact in itself does not augur well.Cyclefree said:
Yes. It's as bad as people using the word "inappropriate" instead of the word "wrong". A particular bugbear of mine.Nigelb said:
‘Cos it’s too close to home ?TheWhiteRabbit said:Boris: Trump's language unacceptable, but I wouldn't use that word ('racist')
Of course it was effing racist.
Johnson is just..... yuck..... on every level.
Maybe England is becoming jockified.
Does Salmond still show off his SNPness on RT?0 -
Neither Scottish thoughHYUFD said:
Blair was born in Edinburgh, Cameron comes from a Scottish family, both won majorities in EnglandStuartDickson said:
English voters loathing Scottish PM. A pattern?ydoethur said:
Not true. Macdonald was more widely loathed than Johnson. So much so that senior Tories seriously canvassed a coup to keep him out of power.ThomasNashe said:
Every Prime Minister in living memory has come to the office with a certain amount of goodwill, is seen by many as a refreshing change to his/ her predecessor - benefits from that honeymoon period, even if it's been quite short for one or two recently. But now for the first time, we're going to have a PM who is utterly loathed by a majority of the population from day one. That fact in itself does not augur well.Cyclefree said:
Yes. It's as bad as people using the word "inappropriate" instead of the word "wrong". A particular bugbear of mine.Nigelb said:
‘Cos it’s too close to home ?TheWhiteRabbit said:Boris: Trump's language unacceptable, but I wouldn't use that word ('racist')
Of course it was effing racist.
Johnson is just..... yuck..... on every level.
That questioner on education needs to go easier on the drugs.0 -
I turned on the Sky coverage of the hustings to see Hunt taking questions from the audience, asked the member of the audience who'd just asked a question to wave so he could see who asked the question and he said "ah there you are sir...I mean, madam. Ah...you are a long way away".
Probably a very easy mistake to make, but, still, got a laugh from me. I am easily amused though when it comes to these hustings events.
How long did it take Hunt this time to mention that he used to be an entrepreneur you know?0 -
Just a continuation of what he did for years at the Telegraph.Cyclefree said:
Sorry but no: the kipper point is a pathetic one. Leave the EU to avoid sending fish in a way which does not make it rot and smell. It's an unbelievably trivial and frivolous way of approaching an important subject. Just about good enough for a column but no way for a potential PM to think about a policy which could destroy or seriously harm many sectors in this country.
Your beloved Tory party is no longer a serious party, I'm sorry to say. It has become frivolous, unserious, contemptuous of others and self-indulgent. And a menace to good governance in this country.
It served him - and no one else - well.
He might surprise us, but I’d be utterly amazed.
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Because it bridges the gap between your belief that it was fair comment and the offence taken by some of the recipientsdixiedean said:
If I caused offence grates...if you didn't then why are you apologising?Benpointer said:
Add to which: apologising "...for any offence caused".Cyclefree said:
Yes. It's as bad as people using the word "inappropriate" instead of the word "wrong". A particular bugbear of mine.Nigelb said:
‘Cos it’s too close to home ?TheWhiteRabbit said:Boris: Trump's language unacceptable, but I wouldn't use that word ('racist')
Of course it was effing racist.
Johnson is just..... yuck..... on every level.
Just apologise ffs!
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Indeed so (at least the Corbyn bit, I don't see the Farage bit). That will also be the outcome if they do deliver Brexit in the worst conceivable way, crashing us out in chaos. The main differences between the two disasters are that the former would be better for the country, and the latter would take many more years for the Conservative Party to recover from.HYUFD said:
Well if they don't deliver Brexit that or PM Farage may be the resultRichard_Nabavi said:
There was a time - not very long ago, actually - when the Conservative Party had higher aspirations than being better than a has-been, anti-Semitic, economically illiterate, terrorist-sympathising, manifestly incompetent far-left extremist.HYUFD said:[snip]
One thing I certainly felt was both would be miles better than Corbyn ...0
