It’s only an issue if they go ahead without him isn’t it?
They absolutely should give Hunt a free hour to make his case if BJ has better things to do than talk to the public.
Sky's audience figures would plummet to zero. Not even his wife would tune in for a whole hour of Jeremy Hunt pontificating.
I think Hunt should tell us more about his plans to close down successful, profitable businesses, and put people out of work. As well as how he will build an economy that creates replacement jobs.
Hunt is channelling his inner Rory Stewart and posting selfies of his travels round Scotland. This whole leadership contest might be a CCHQ plot to make us nostalgic for Theresa May.
It’s no wonder Johnson is stay out of site listening to his foot soldiers trying to defend the indefensible it would be hilarious if not serious. He won’t worry about the members hustings as they believe his crap, think stories about his private life are politically motivated and most have made up their minds anyway. To avoid wider public scrutiny is his best tactic and costs him nothing in terms of the members.
Stories about his private life ARE politically motivated.
If it wasn't for politics then "lovers argue after man spills wine on sofa" would not be news.
Yep, if Johnson was not running to be PM the fact the police were called because the row was so violently noisy would not have been news.
I’m not saying the reporting of the event was not politically motivated but that many people actually discredit the story using that phrase. If nothing else it shows that he should of realized it would be reported if he farted in bed so should have been more careful.
Johnson is running for PM. He was involved in a violent row audible to a number of neighbours in their own homes. Of course it’s news.
"violent"? That would surely require something more than "nothing to see here" from Plod.
Did they listen to the recording? Several neighbours have reported smashing plates and very loud shouting. One - who did not record the row, but was considering calling the police when they turned up - said they’d never heard anything like it.
It’s no wonder Johnson is stay out of site listening to his foot soldiers trying to defend the indefensible it would be hilarious if not serious. He won’t worry about the members hustings as they believe his crap, think stories about his private life are politically motivated and most have made up their minds anyway. To avoid wider public scrutiny is his best tactic and costs him nothing in terms of the members.
Stories about his private life ARE politically motivated.
If it wasn't for politics then "lovers argue after man spills wine on sofa" would not be news.
Yep, if Johnson was not running to be PM the fact the police were called because the row was so violently noisy would not have been news.
So noisy.
The police said there were no causes for concern and they were on scene within 5 minutes so I think the perjorative of "violently" was not appropriate.
It’s only an issue if they go ahead without him isn’t it?
They absolutely should give Hunt a free hour to make his case if BJ has better things to do than talk to the public.
Sky's audience figures would plummet to zero. Not even his wife would tune in for a whole hour of Jeremy Hunt pontificating.
I think Hunt should tell us more about his plans to close down successful, profitable businesses, and put people out of work. As well as how he will build an economy that creates replacement jobs.
It’s no wonder Johnson is stay out of site listening to his foot soldiers trying to defend the indefensible it would be hilarious if not serious. He won’t worry about the members hustings as they believe his crap, think stories about his private life are politically motivated and most have made up their minds anyway. To avoid wider public scrutiny is his best tactic and costs him nothing in terms of the members.
Stories about his private life ARE politically motivated.
If it wasn't for politics then "lovers argue after man spills wine on sofa" would not be news.
Yep, if Johnson was not running to be PM the fact the police were called because the row was so violently noisy would not have been news.
I’m not saying the reporting of the event was not politically motivated but that many people actually discredit the story using that phrase. If nothing else it shows that he should of realized it would be reported if he farted in bed so should have been more careful.
Johnson is running for PM. He was involved in a violent row audible to a number of neighbours in their own homes. Of course it’s news.
"violent"? That would surely require something more than "nothing to see here" from Plod.
It’s no wonder Johnson is stay out of site listening to his foot soldiers trying to defend the indefensible it would be hilarious if not serious. He won’t worry about the members hustings as they believe his crap, think stories about his private life are politically motivated and most have made up their minds anyway. To avoid wider public scrutiny is his best tactic and costs him nothing in terms of the members.
Stories about his private life ARE politically motivated.
If it wasn't for politics then "lovers argue after man spills wine on sofa" would not be news.
Yep, if Johnson was not running to be PM the fact the police were called because the row was so violently noisy would not have been news.
I’m not saying the reporting of the event was not politically motivated but that many people actually discredit the story using that phrase. If nothing else it shows that he should of realized it would be reported if he farted in bed so should have been more careful.
Johnson is running for PM. He was involved in a violent row audible to a number of neighbours in their own homes. Of course it’s news.
"violent"? That would surely require something more than "nothing to see here" from Plod.
That's a bit of a stretch regarding the Police response. In a domestic situation, if neither of the couple want to complain and there is no obvious injury, Police tend not to take things further as I understand it. The chance of conviction if nobody wants to complain is minimal.
But "violent row" is perfectly fair. Neighbours attest to much screaming and crockery being smashed, I don't think there's any dispute about a "get off me".
It's not illegal to smash plates in your own home if you're throwing them at the floor rather than other people. But it wasn't a nothing-burger and does speak to a criticism of Johnson that he's a chaotic individual in a time when we could perhaps do with stability.
Seems our friend @HYUFD, derided for saying 1/4 shot Boris was most likely to win the leadership whilst the shrewdies were advising laying him at 5/1, is under fire again.
PB Remainer anecdote vs Polling, to paraphrase an old site ‘favourite’
And what an adroit piece of deception that was; it is an attempt to conflate polling with the outcome of proper medical studies, which is fair enough if you believe that medical researchers ask questions like "If you were diagnosed with cancer tomorrow, do you think Herceptin would make you feel better or worse? and how likely would you be to recommend it to you friends?" Proper scientists pay attention to interesting anecdotes anyway; lithium, the MAOIs (and therefore the possibility in principle that anti-depressants are a thing, because they were the first), viagra and ibuprofen are all the result of "tell you what, doc" anecdotes.
And the one clear indicator we got of the way GE2016 was going was a report from David Herdson about the vibes he was getting from eve-of-poll doorknocking.
It’s no wonder Johnson is stay out of site listening to his foot soldiers trying to defend the indefensible it would be hilarious if not serious. He won’t worry about the members hustings as they believe his crap, think stories about his private life are politically motivated and most have made up their minds anyway. To avoid wider public scrutiny is his best tactic and costs him nothing in terms of the members.
Stories about his private life ARE politically motivated.
If it wasn't for politics then "lovers argue after man spills wine on sofa" would not be news.
Yep, if Johnson was not running to be PM the fact the police were called because the row was so violently noisy would not have been news.
So noisy.
The police said there were no causes for concern and they were on scene within 5 minutes so I think the perjorative of "violently" was not appropriate.
When items are being thrown and smashed I call that violent. You don’t. Fair enough.
'Now then, now then, little Milly from Ruislip sat on my knee here has asked if I can fix the backstop..'
☺ Enough!
Johnson also, in the way he looks, moves and that stuttering staccato "oink oink' noise he makes when blustering to a question, reminds me very much of a pig. Would like to get rid of that if I can, since he will be our PM soon, but am finding it difficult.
Anyhow, bottom line, Jimmy Savile or pig, it's not ideal. If I had a vote it would be going to Jeremy Hunt.
Brave Sir Robin has shat his pants, brave Sir Robin
Johnson doesn’t do scrutiny. Never has. You understand why when he absolutely cannot avoid it.
He doesn't do scrutiny because he has almost zero command of his brief. Even Mr Thicky will be able to tear into him at PMQs. He is lazy and inept. Hardly great qualities for a PM. The Tory membership spotted that in David Davis. maybe they will do the same with Johnson, but then again, maybe not.
It’s only an issue if they go ahead without him isn’t it?
They absolutely should give Hunt a free hour to make his case if BJ has better things to do than talk to the public.
Sky's audience figures would plummet to zero. Not even his wife would tune in for a whole hour of Jeremy Hunt pontificating.
I think Hunt should tell us more about his plans to close down successful, profitable businesses, and put people out of work. As well as how he will build an economy that creates replacement jobs.
The irony is that for those that want Brexit, it is clear to anyone that understands principles of leadership that Hunt stands a much higher chance of achieving Brexit than Johnson. Johnson has no managerial skills, no diplomatic skills and is lazier than David Davis. "Oh but he has charisma, and believes in Brexit" says HYUFD with blind loyalty. The latter is highly unlikely and the former is largely irrelevant if he has none of the other skills. If you want Brexit to die a death, vote Boris. Hmm, maybe I should just abstain!
I know I don't agree with you on Brexit (you being a staunch Remainer) but I'd agree with that. If you want to Remain in the EU, vote Boris. He's going to screw it up and we'll end up not leaving in October, if ever.
Only Hunt could (of the two remaining candidates) [1] deliver Brexit in any form now.
[1] Of course, a GE or other black swan event could mean its PM Corbyn, PM Swinson, PM Farage, PM Clarke who is in charge and then all bets are off.
Mr. Recidivist, you could say that about Yorkshire.
A polity is a single political entity, a state.
You'd also have to cherrypick conveniently. The Protestants and Catholics are unlikely to agree, likewise when Spain was Muslim. In the early part of the first millennium most countries didn't like their churches falling Rome's sway (ironically, Britain was an early adopter of this). There's the Orthodox/Latin split, the Carolingian Empire and its fragmentation.
The Roman Empire was the closest Europe ever came to being a single nation state and that didn't include perhaps a third or more of the continent. Unless we count the ephemeral conquest of the Third Reich, of course.
In medieval times even people from another village or county were* considered foreign. The idea there's long been a broad European identity (beyond the geographical aspect) is fiction.
That's not to say many people now don't feel that way, attaching such an identity to the EU.
Edited extra bit: *to clarify, 'could be' would be more accurate.
Even as a strong Remainer I see some strengths in this argument but I do think that there is a European identity. Until the late 15th/early 16th century Europeans would likely have seen themselves as part of "Christendom" than Europe - people were vaguely aware of it as a peninsular off the Eurasian landmass in much the same way as people are vaguely aware of the concept of "Iberia" today.
But the fall of Constantinople, the "discovery" of the Americas and the Protestant Reformation all meant that a geographical concept of Europe became more necessary as "Christendom" didn't cut it anymore - Christendom now included the distant Americas and the continent was religiously divided four or more ways instead of three. But European identity is nevertheless an extension of that earlier concept of Christendom. The fact that Cyprus is considered European, despite being geographically far closer to Asia, shows that the cultural concept of "Christendom" never quite died.
Pro-Europeans need to accept and promote the European identity which, admittedly, is easier in some places than others, notably England. It's not impossible though. States come and go. A British identity was more or less successfully forged by the newly formed British state in the 18th and 19th centuries from disparate, often hostile, parts, only to fall away again in the 20th. I'm sure many people felt pretty Soviet. But you don't necessarily need a state to maintain an identity, the Slovenes settled in what is now Slovenia in the 6th and 7th centuries but only achieved internationally recognised statehood in 1992. The two concepts are separate but overlapping.
It’s no wonder Johnson is stay out of site listening to his foot soldiers trying to defend the indefensible it would be hilarious if not serious. He won’t worry about the members hustings as they believe his crap, think stories about his private life are politically motivated and most have made up their minds anyway. To avoid wider public scrutiny is his best tactic and costs him nothing in terms of the members.
Stories about his private life ARE politically motivated.
If it wasn't for politics then "lovers argue after man spills wine on sofa" would not be news.
Yep, if Johnson was not running to be PM the fact the police were called because the row was so violently noisy would not have been news.
I’m not saying the reporting of the event was not politically motivated but that many people actually discredit the story using that phrase. If nothing else it shows that he should of realized it would be reported if he farted in bed so should have been more careful.
Johnson is running for PM. He was involved in a violent row audible to a number of neighbours in their own homes. Of course it’s news.
"violent"? That would surely require something more than "nothing to see here" from Plod.
To the left, words are 'violence'...
No, throwing crockery around and smashing it during a row is violence.
I've spent more time in Melbourne than I have Vienna. We don't share our laws with Melbourne.
What is undemocratic is those who pretend they don't want "a country called Europe" with all the accountability that comes with it but then are happy with having the laws set like that. Given Vienna is literally another country I'm not comfortable having our laws set by their politicians without our say via QMV.
If we want to be in a country called Europe then that is reasonable. But it should be by choice and genuinely made.
We do have a say via QMV in the council (and via directly elected MEPs in the parliament). We have a polity called Europe.
I think it's a waste of time to try to explain to people who viscerally and emotionally dislike the EU what the EU actually is. The myths are much more comforting.
I think it's a waste of time to try to explain to people who instinctively and uncritically support the EU, what the EU actually is. The myths are much more comforting.
Wouldn't disagree. Very few people on here uncritically support the EU.
Just as very few viscerally and emotionally dislike the EU. It is classic Remainer arrogance to think that their view of the EU is more grounded in logic than that of the Leavers.
Richard is it arrogant to believe the world is not flat?
Nope because it is something that is scientifically provable one way or the other. Unless you are claiming there is something that is scientifically provable about politics and governance (which I would suggest might be a very tenuous claim to make) then your comparison is invalid.
Well this gets to the heart of the issue. I am comfortable with politicians from Vienna being involved in setting rules on Financial Services because I feel part of the same common European family and I trust that they are comfortable with politicians from Wessex being involved in setting rules on Animal Welfare, etc.
This is exactly as I accept that a politician from Yorkshire - a county I've spent less time in than Vienna - will have a say on my tax rates, because the politicians I [try to] elect are accepted as having the same say on their tax rates.
I can understand that you might not feel part of a European family (or even a British one) as opposed to part of England. I do object to being called undemocratic for my view.
I've spent more time in Melbourne than I have Vienna. We don't share our laws with Melbourne.
What is undemocratic is those who pretend they don't want "a country called Europe" with all the accountability that comes with it but then are happy with having the laws set like that. Given Vienna is literally another country I'm not comfortable having our laws set by their politicians without our say via QMV.
If we want to be in a country called Europe then that is reasonable. But it should be by choice and genuinely made.
Well we used to share our laws with Melbourne, though it was entirely one-way, unlike our relationship with Europe.
I agree that politicians were dishonest about Europe. I would like to see pro-EU politicians argue for the idea of Europe as a country. Unfortunately, I think the idea of the UK as a country is under threat, so Euros as a country will be a long political debate to win.
Brave Sir Robin has shat his pants, brave Sir Robin
Johnson doesn’t do scrutiny. Never has. You understand why when he absolutely cannot avoid it.
He doesn't do scrutiny because he has almost zero command of his brief. Even Mr Thicky will be able to tear into him at PMQs. He is lazy and inept. Hardly great qualities for a PM. The Tory membership spotted that in David Davis. maybe they will do the same with Johnson, but then again, maybe not.
Boris, is it true you were in the two for one wine section in Tesco ?
It’s no wonder Johnson is stay out of site listening to his foot soldiers trying to defend the indefensible it would be hilarious if not serious. He won’t worry about the members hustings as they believe his crap, think stories about his private life are politically motivated and most have made up their minds anyway. To avoid wider public scrutiny is his best tactic and costs him nothing in terms of the members.
Stories about his private life ARE politically motivated.
If it wasn't for politics then "lovers argue after man spills wine on sofa" would not be news.
Yep, if Johnson was not running to be PM the fact the police were called because the row was so violently noisy would not have been news.
I’m not saying the reporting of the event was not politically motivated but that many people actually discredit the story using that phrase. If nothing else it shows that he should of realized it would be reported if he farted in bed so should have been more careful.
Johnson is running for PM. He was involved in a violent row audible to a number of neighbours in their own homes. Of course it’s news.
Be honest, do you you only repeatedly use ‘violent’ because you’d like someone to point out that there was no violence, so you can reply that violence doesn’t have to be physical?
Brave Sir Robin has shat his pants, brave Sir Robin
Johnson doesn’t do scrutiny. Never has. You understand why when he absolutely cannot avoid it.
I don't know whether to look forward to Johnson at PMQs for the lolz, or be worried about the erosion of accountability that will result.
He got away with it as London mayor because no-one watched his Q&A sessions and there was no reporting of them. It won’t be like that with PMQs. His inability and unwillingness to answer questions will become a thing, as will his failure to master briefs.
It’s no wonder Johnson is stay out of site listening to his foot soldiers trying to defend the indefensible it would be hilarious if not serious. He won’t worry about the members hustings as they believe his crap, think stories about his private life are politically motivated and most have made up their minds anyway. To avoid wider public scrutiny is his best tactic and costs him nothing in terms of the members.
Stories about his private life ARE politically motivated.
If it wasn't for politics then "lovers argue after man spills wine on sofa" would not be news.
Yep, if Johnson was not running to be PM the fact the police were called because the row was so violently noisy would not have been news.
I’m not saying the reporting of the event was not politically motivated but that many people actually discredit the story using that phrase. If nothing else it shows that he should of realized it would be reported if he farted in bed so should have been more careful.
Johnson is running for PM. He was involved in a violent row audible to a number of neighbours in their own homes. Of course it’s news.
"violent"? That would surely require something more than "nothing to see here" from Plod.
Meanwhile somewhere in Brussels Donald Tusk is sitting at his desk, head in hands, quietly muttering to himself: “What part of ‘Don’t waste this time’ did the British not understand?”
as I was once told by a lawyer the first rule of negotiation is therre's always more time
That’s just an excuse for more billable hours.
Am I still banned from making gags about paying £400 an hour plus VAT and disbursements for some good S & M work?
The legal profession has always attracted more than its fair share of cynicism and not, in my humble opinion, without ample justification. Generously, the poacher/ gamekeeper ratio probably mirrors leave/ remain.
Never trust a solicitor that goes to work in the financial services sector.
Meanwhile somewhere in Brussels Donald Tusk is sitting at his desk, head in hands, quietly muttering to himself: “What part of ‘Don’t waste this time’ did the British not understand?”
as I was once told by a lawyer the first rule of negotiation is therre's always more time
That’s just an excuse for more billable hours.
Am I still banned from making gags about paying £400 an hour plus VAT and disbursements for some good S & M work?
The legal profession has always attracted more than its fair share of cynicism and not, in my humble opinion, without ample justification. Generously, the poacher/ gamekeeper ratio probably mirrors leave/ remain.
Never trust a solicitor that goes to work in the financial services sector.
Absolute shysters.
That is primarily the basis for my opinion and I concur
Brave Sir Robin has shat his pants, brave Sir Robin
Johnson doesn’t do scrutiny. Never has. You understand why when he absolutely cannot avoid it.
He doesn't do scrutiny because he has almost zero command of his brief. Even Mr Thicky will be able to tear into him at PMQs. He is lazy and inept. Hardly great qualities for a PM. The Tory membership spotted that in David Davis. maybe they will do the same with Johnson, but then again, maybe not.
It is all Mrs Thatcher's fault. The convention used to be that the prime minister was only answerable on matters affecting the government as a whole, not individual departments. Mrs Thatcher changed this and answered all questions herself (which meant a huge power grab by Number 10, btw). Perhaps Boris should consider changing the system back again.
It’s no wonder Johnson is stay out of site listening to his foot soldiers trying to defend the indefensible it would be hilarious if not serious. He won’t worry about the members hustings as they believe his crap, think stories about his private life are politically motivated and most have made up their minds anyway. To avoid wider public scrutiny is his best tactic and costs him nothing in terms of the members.
Stories about his private life ARE politically motivated.
If it wasn't for politics then "lovers argue after man spills wine on sofa" would not be news.
Yep, if Johnson was not running to be PM the fact the police were called because the row was so violently noisy would not have been news.
I’m not saying the reporting of the event was not politically motivated but that many people actually discredit the story using that phrase. If nothing else it shows that he should of realized it would be reported if he farted in bed so should have been more careful.
Johnson is running for PM. He was involved in a violent row audible to a number of neighbours in their own homes. Of course it’s news.
Be honest, do you you only repeatedly use ‘violent’ because you’d like someone to point out that there was no violence, so you can reply that violence doesn’t have to be physical?
The throwing and smashing of plates and glasses in the context of a heated row is physical violence.
It’s no wonder Johnson is stay out of site listening to his foot soldiers trying to defend the indefensible it would be hilarious if not serious. He won’t worry about the members hustings as they believe his crap, think stories about his private life are politically motivated and most have made up their minds anyway. To avoid wider public scrutiny is his best tactic and costs him nothing in terms of the members.
Stories about his private life ARE politically motivated.
If it wasn't for politics then "lovers argue after man spills wine on sofa" would not be news.
Yep, if Johnson was not running to be PM the fact the police were called because the row was so violently noisy would not have been news.
I’m not saying the reporting of the event was not politically motivated but that many people actually discredit the story using that phrase. If nothing else it shows that he should of realized it would be reported if he farted in bed so should have been more careful.
Johnson is running for PM. He was involved in a violent row audible to a number of neighbours in their own homes. Of course it’s news.
Be honest, do you you only repeatedly use ‘violent’ because you’d like someone to point out that there was no violence, so you can reply that violence doesn’t have to be physical?
It’s no wonder Johnson is stay out of site listening to his foot soldiers trying to defend the indefensible it would be hilarious if not serious. He won’t worry about the members hustings as they believe his crap, think stories about his private life are politically motivated and most have made up their minds anyway. To avoid wider public scrutiny is his best tactic and costs him nothing in terms of the members.
Stories about his private life ARE politically motivated.
If it wasn't for politics then "lovers argue after man spills wine on sofa" would not be news.
Yep, if Johnson was not running to be PM the fact the police were called because the row was so violently noisy would not have been news.
I’m not saying the reporting of the event was not politically motivated but that many people actually discredit the story using that phrase. If nothing else it shows that he should of realized it would be reported if he farted in bed so should have been more careful.
Johnson is running for PM. He was involved in a violent row audible to a number of neighbours in their own homes. Of course it’s news.
"violent"? That would surely require something more than "nothing to see here" from Plod.
yes the Guardianista's are desperate to label him as a wife beating , violent ultra right wing white supremacist, but all they have is a nosey neighbour who overheard he spilt some wine on the sofa and had a heated argument, in which the police found nothing of concern, and in fact most of his political views are one nation toryism, and he happens to be determined to achieve Brexit by 31/10, and anyways the EU are highly unlikely to extend beyond then anyway.
Yet they dismiss and excuse their own Anti Semitic, Marxist, terrorist loving, land grabbing, children's inheritance stealing , Grandpa Stalin.
The irony is that for those that want Brexit, it is clear to anyone that understands principles of leadership that Hunt stands a much higher chance of achieving Brexit than Johnson. Johnson has no managerial skills, no diplomatic skills and is lazier than David Davis. "Oh but he has charisma, and believes in Brexit" says HYUFD with blind loyalty. The latter is highly unlikely and the former is largely irrelevant if he has none of the other skills. If you want Brexit to die a death, vote Boris. Hmm, maybe I should just abstain!
I know I don't agree with you on Brexit (you being a staunch Remainer) but I'd agree with that. If you want to Remain in the EU, vote Boris. He's going to screw it up and we'll end up not leaving in October, if ever.
Only Hunt could (of the two remaining candidates) [1] deliver Brexit in any form now.
[1] Of course, a GE or other black swan event could mean its PM Corbyn, PM Swinson, PM Farage, PM Clarke who is in charge and then all bets are off.
I am not so much a staunch remainer anymore. I think staying in the EU is probably undesirable in the short term, though I would argue for rejoining at a later date as I think that while the EU is imperfect it is a general force for good., but the case still needs to be made in the UK, assuming that the UK still exists in a few years.
Boris Johnson is a walking disaster for this country. Brexit has, IMO, already destroyed the Tory Party's reputation for economic management. If Boris Johnson becomes PM it will have little to offer that is better than Mr. Thicky and his left wing cohorts. Hunt is reasonably capable, so stands a chance of stopping the rot. It is now a choice for me to vote for him, or draw a very large penis and balls on the ballot paper.
It’s no wonder Johnson is stay out of site listening to his foot soldiers trying to defend the indefensible it would be hilarious if not serious. He won’t worry about the members hustings as they believe his crap, think stories about his private life are politically motivated and most have made up their minds anyway. To avoid wider public scrutiny is his best tactic and costs him nothing in terms of the members.
Stories about his private life ARE politically motivated.
If it wasn't for politics then "lovers argue after man spills wine on sofa" would not be news.
Yep, if Johnson was not running to be PM the fact the police were called because the row was so violently noisy would not have been news.
I’m not saying the reporting of the event was not politically motivated but that many people actually discredit the story using that phrase. If nothing else it shows that he should of realized it would be reported if he farted in bed so should have been more careful.
Johnson is running for PM. He was involved in a violent row audible to a number of neighbours in their own homes. Of course it’s news.
"violent"? That would surely require something more than "nothing to see here" from Plod.
Did they listen to the recording? Several neighbours have reported smashing plates and very loud shouting. One - who did not record the row, but was considering calling the police when they turned up - said they’d never heard anything like it.
How often does smashing a plate warrant what I presume was a 999 call - otherwise Plod probably wouldn't have even bothered to turn up.
It’s no wonder Johnson is stay out of site listening to his foot soldiers trying to defend the indefensible it would be hilarious if not serious. He won’t worry about the members hustings as they believe his crap, think stories about his private life are politically motivated and most have made up their minds anyway. To avoid wider public scrutiny is his best tactic and costs him nothing in terms of the members.
Stories about his private life ARE politically motivated.
If it wasn't for politics then "lovers argue after man spills wine on sofa" would not be news.
Yep, if Johnson was not running to be PM the fact the police were called because the row was so violently noisy would not have been news.
I’m not saying the reporting of the event was not politically motivated but that many people actually discredit the story using that phrase. If nothing else it shows that he should of realized it would be reported if he farted in bed so should have been more careful.
Johnson is running for PM. He was involved in a violent row audible to a number of neighbours in their own homes. Of course it’s news.
Be honest, do you you only repeatedly use ‘violent’ because you’d like someone to point out that there was no violence, so you can reply that violence doesn’t have to be physical?
It’s no wonder Johnson is stay out of site listening to his foot soldiers trying to defend the indefensible it would be hilarious if not serious. He won’t worry about the members hustings as they believe his crap, think stories about his private life are politically motivated and most have made up their minds anyway. To avoid wider public scrutiny is his best tactic and costs him nothing in terms of the members.
Stories about his private life ARE politically motivated.
If it wasn't for politics then "lovers argue after man spills wine on sofa" would not be news.
Yep, if Johnson was not running to be PM the fact the police were called because the row was so violently noisy would not have been news.
I’m not saying the reporting of the event was not politically motivated but that many people actually discredit the story using that phrase. If nothing else it shows that he should of realized it would be reported if he farted in bed so should have been more careful.
Johnson is running for PM. He was involved in a violent row audible to a number of neighbours in their own homes. Of course it’s news.
Be honest, do you you only repeatedly use ‘violent’ because you’d like someone to point out that there was no violence, so you can reply that violence doesn’t have to be physical?
The throwing and smashing of plates and glasses in the context of a heated row is physical violence.
Arguments where no one is hurt is physical violence?
Meanwhile somewhere in Brussels Donald Tusk is sitting at his desk, head in hands, quietly muttering to himself: “What part of ‘Don’t waste this time’ did the British not understand?”
as I was once told by a lawyer the first rule of negotiation is therre's always more time
We've had quite a few different "first rule of negotiations" cited over the course of our Brexit Viaje Misterioso.
The irony is that for those that want Brexit, it is clear to anyone that understands principles of leadership that Hunt stands a much higher chance of achieving Brexit than Johnson. Johnson has no managerial skills, no diplomatic skills and is lazier than David Davis. "Oh but he has charisma, and believes in Brexit" says HYUFD with blind loyalty. The latter is highly unlikely and the former is largely irrelevant if he has none of the other skills. If you want Brexit to die a death, vote Boris. Hmm, maybe I should just abstain!
I know I don't agree with you on Brexit (you being a staunch Remainer) but I'd agree with that. If you want to Remain in the EU, vote Boris. He's going to screw it up and we'll end up not leaving in October, if ever.
Only Hunt could (of the two remaining candidates) [1] deliver Brexit in any form now.
[1] Of course, a GE or other black swan event could mean its PM Corbyn, PM Swinson, PM Farage, PM Clarke who is in charge and then all bets are off.
To be honest I don't like or trust either of them. And that is not primarily about Brexit either.
I think Hunt is someone, very like May, lacking in values, beliefs or ideas who sees power as something to be achieved for its own sake without any understanding of what to do with it.
I think Boris is incompetent, careless and lazy. I think that the fact he has got himself into a position where a private row can blow up like this in the public eye is far more concerning than the nature of the row itself.
Brave Sir Robin has shat his pants, brave Sir Robin
Johnson doesn’t do scrutiny. Never has. You understand why when he absolutely cannot avoid it.
I don't know whether to look forward to Johnson at PMQs for the lolz, or be worried about the erosion of accountability that will result.
He got away with it as London mayor because no-one watched his Q&A sessions and there was no reporting of them. It won’t be like that with PMQs. His inability and unwillingness to answer questions will become a thing, as will his failure to master briefs.
There was a recent study that found Theresa May to be the most evasive prime minister at PMQs. It was not a public scandal. The sad truth is parliament does not hold the government to account.
It’s no wonder Johnson is stay out of site listening to his foot soldiers trying to defend the indefensible it would be hilarious if not serious. He won’t worry about the members hustings as they believe his crap, think stories about his private life are politically motivated and most have made up their minds anyway. To avoid wider public scrutiny is his best tactic and costs him nothing in terms of the members.
Stories about his private life ARE politically motivated.
If it wasn't for politics then "lovers argue after man spills wine on sofa" would not be news.
Yep, if Johnson was not running to be PM the fact the police were called because the row was so violently noisy would not have been news.
I’m not saying the reporting of the event was not politically motivated but that many people actually discredit the story using that phrase. If nothing else it shows that he should of realized it would be reported if he farted in bed so should have been more careful.
Johnson is running for PM. He was involved in a violent row audible to a number of neighbours in their own homes. Of course it’s news.
"violent"? That would surely require something more than "nothing to see here" from Plod.
That's a bit of a stretch regarding the Police response. In a domestic situation, if neither of the couple want to complain and there is no obvious injury, Police tend not to take things further as I understand it. The chance of conviction if nobody wants to complain is minimal.
But "violent row" is perfectly fair. Neighbours attest to much screaming and crockery being smashed, I don't think there's any dispute about a "get off me".
It's not illegal to smash plates in your own home if you're throwing them at the floor rather than other people. But it wasn't a nothing-burger and does speak to a criticism of Johnson that he's a chaotic individual in a time when we could perhaps do with stability.
It’s no wonder Johnson is stay out of site listening to his foot soldiers trying to defend the indefensible it would be hilarious if not serious. He won’t worry about the members hustings as they believe his crap, think stories about his private life are politically motivated and most have made up their minds anyway. To avoid wider public scrutiny is his best tactic and costs him nothing in terms of the members.
Stories about his private life ARE politically motivated.
If it wasn't for politics then "lovers argue after man spills wine on sofa" would not be news.
Yep, if Johnson was not running to be PM the fact the police were called because the row was so violently noisy would not have been news.
I’m not saying the reporting of the event was not politically motivated but that many people actually discredit the story using that phrase. If nothing else it shows that he should of realized it would be reported if he farted in bed so should have been more careful.
Johnson is running for PM. He was involved in a violent row audible to a number of neighbours in their own homes. Of course it’s news.
"violent"? That would surely require something more than "nothing to see here" from Plod.
Did they listen to the recording? Several neighbours have reported smashing plates and very loud shouting. One - who did not record the row, but was considering calling the police when they turned up - said they’d never heard anything like it.
How often does smashing a plate warrant what I presume was a 999 call - otherwise Plod probably wouldn't have even bothered to turn up.
The smashing plates, what was being said, the volume level - put all those together and it seems perfectly reasonable to call the police.
It’s no wonder Johnson is stay out of site listening to his foot soldiers trying to defend the indefensible it would be hilarious if not serious. He won’t worry about the members hustings as they believe his crap, think stories about his private life are politically motivated and most have made up their minds anyway. To avoid wider public scrutiny is his best tactic and costs him nothing in terms of the members.
Stories about his private life ARE politically motivated.
If it wasn't for politics then "lovers argue after man spills wine on sofa" would not be news.
Yep, if Johnson was not running to be PM the fact the police were called because the row was so violently noisy would not have been news.
I’m not saying the reporting of the event was not politically motivated but that many people actually discredit the story using that phrase. If nothing else it shows that he should of realized it would be reported if he farted in bed so should have been more careful.
Johnson is running for PM. He was involved in a violent row audible to a number of neighbours in their own homes. Of course it’s news.
Be honest, do you you only repeatedly use ‘violent’ because you’d like someone to point out that there was no violence, so you can reply that violence doesn’t have to be physical?
"Get off me" is pretty conclusive
Conclusive of what?
When I've pissed off my wife I've sometimes gone to give her a hug to apologise/calm her down and she's used those exact words.
It’s no wonder Johnson is stay out of site listening to his foot soldiers trying to defend the indefensible it would be hilarious if not serious. He won’t worry about the members hustings as they believe his crap, think stories about his private life are politically motivated and most have made up their minds anyway. To avoid wider public scrutiny is his best tactic and costs him nothing in terms of the members.
Stories about his private life ARE politically motivated.
If it wasn't for politics then "lovers argue after man spills wine on sofa" would not be news.
Yep, if Johnson was not running to be PM the fact the police were called because the row was so violently noisy would not have been news.
I’m not saying the reporting of the event was not politically motivated but that many people actually discredit the story using that phrase. If nothing else it shows that he should of realized it would be reported if he farted in bed so should have been more careful.
Johnson is running for PM. He was involved in a violent row audible to a number of neighbours in their own homes. Of course it’s news.
"violent"? That would surely require something more than "nothing to see here" from Plod.
Did they listen to the recording? Several neighbours have reported smashing plates and very loud shouting. One - who did not record the row, but was considering calling the police when they turned up - said they’d never heard anything like it.
How often does smashing a plate warrant what I presume was a 999 call - otherwise Plod probably wouldn't have even bothered to turn up.
The smashing plates, what was being said, the volume level - put all those together and it seems perfectly reasonable to call the police.
Absolutely.
Once the Police have left, said there was no cause for concern and moved on . . . then calling the Guardian makes this about politics not concern.
It’s no wonder Johnson is stay out of site listening to his foot soldiers trying to defend the indefensible it would be hilarious if not serious. He won’t worry about the members hustings as they believe his crap, think stories about his private life are politically motivated and most have made up their minds anyway. To avoid wider public scrutiny is his best tactic and costs him nothing in terms of the members.
Stories about his private life ARE politically motivated.
If it wasn't for politics then "lovers argue after man spills wine on sofa" would not be news.
Yep, if Johnson was not running to be PM the fact the police were called because the row was so violently noisy would not have been news.
I’m not saying the reporting of the event was not politically motivated but that many people actually discredit the story using that phrase. If nothing else it shows that he should of realized it would be reported if he farted in bed so should have been more careful.
Johnson is running for PM. He was involved in a violent row audible to a number of neighbours in their own homes. Of course it’s news.
Be honest, do you you only repeatedly use ‘violent’ because you’d like someone to point out that there was no violence, so you can reply that violence doesn’t have to be physical?
The throwing and smashing of plates and glasses in the context of a heated row is physical violence.
Arguments where no one is hurt is physical violence?
To be fair, if I took a swing at you and missed because you ducked out of the way that would still be physical violence.
It’s no wonder Johnson is stay out of site listening to his foot soldiers trying to defend the indefensible it would be hilarious if not serious. He won’t worry about the members hustings as they believe his crap, think stories about his private life are politically motivated and most have made up their minds anyway. To avoid wider public scrutiny is his best tactic and costs him nothing in terms of the members.
Stories about his private life ARE politically motivated.
If it wasn't for politics then "lovers argue after man spills wine on sofa" would not be news.
Yep, if Johnson was not running to be PM the fact the police were called because the row was so violently noisy would not have been news.
I’m not saying the reporting of the event was not politically motivated but that many people actually discredit the story using that phrase. If nothing else it shows that he should of realized it would be reported if he farted in bed so should have been more careful.
Johnson is running for PM. He was involved in a violent row audible to a number of neighbours in their own homes. Of course it’s news.
Be honest, do you you only repeatedly use ‘violent’ because you’d like someone to point out that there was no violence, so you can reply that violence doesn’t have to be physical?
"Get off me" is pretty conclusive
I wouldn’t say so.
It's quite obvious that if there was blood everywhere you'd still want it tested.
It’s no wonder Johnson is stay out of site listening to his foot soldiers trying to defend the indefensible it would be hilarious if not serious. He won’t worry about the members hustings as they believe his crap, think stories about his private life are politically motivated and most have made up their minds anyway. To avoid wider public scrutiny is his best tactic and costs him nothing in terms of the members.
Stories about his private life ARE politically motivated.
If it wasn't for politics then "lovers argue after man spills wine on sofa" would not be news.
Yep, if Johnson was not running to be PM the fact the police were called because the row was so violently noisy would not have been news.
I’m not saying the reporting of the event was not politically motivated but that many people actually discredit the story using that phrase. If nothing else it shows that he should of realized it would be reported if he farted in bed so should have been more careful.
Johnson is running for PM. He was involved in a violent row audible to a number of neighbours in their own homes. Of course it’s news.
Be honest, do you you only repeatedly use ‘violent’ because you’d like someone to point out that there was no violence, so you can reply that violence doesn’t have to be physical?
"Get off me" is pretty conclusive
I wouldn’t say so.
It's quite obvious that if there was blood everywhere you'd still want it tested.
If there was blood everywhere I don't think the plod would have said there was no cause for concern.
It’s no wonder Johnson is stay out of site listening to his foot soldiers trying to defend the indefensible it would be hilarious if not serious. He won’t worry about the members hustings as they believe his crap, think stories about his private life are politically motivated and most have made up their minds anyway. To avoid wider public scrutiny is his best tactic and costs him nothing in terms of the members.
Stories about his private life ARE politically motivated.
If it wasn't for politics then "lovers argue after man spills wine on sofa" would not be news.
Yep, if Johnson was not running to be PM the fact the police were called because the row was so violently noisy would not have been news.
I’m not saying the reporting of the event was not politically motivated but that many people actually discredit the story using that phrase. If nothing else it shows that he should of realized it would be reported if he farted in bed so should have been more careful.
Johnson is running for PM. He was involved in a violent row audible to a number of neighbours in their own homes. Of course it’s news.
Be honest, do you you only repeatedly use ‘violent’ because you’d like someone to point out that there was no violence, so you can reply that violence doesn’t have to be physical?
"Get off me" is pretty conclusive
Conclusive of what?
When I've pissed off my wife I've sometimes gone to give her a hug to apologise/calm her down and she's used those exact words.
It’s no wonder Johnson is stay out of site listening to his foot soldiers trying to defend the indefensible it would be hilarious if not serious. He won’t worry about the members hustings as they believe his crap, think stories about his private life are politically motivated and most have made up their minds anyway. To avoid wider public scrutiny is his best tactic and costs him nothing in terms of the members.
Stories about his private life ARE politically motivated.
If it wasn't for politics then "lovers argue after man spills wine on sofa" would not be news.
Yep, if Johnson was not running to be PM the fact the police were called because the row was so violently noisy would not have been news.
I’m not saying the reporting of the event was not politically motivated but that many people actually discredit the story using that phrase. If nothing else it shows that he should of realized it would be reported if he farted in bed so should have been more careful.
Johnson is running for PM. He was involved in a violent row audible to a number of neighbours in their own homes. Of course it’s news.
Be honest, do you you only repeatedly use ‘violent’ because you’d like someone to point out that there was no violence, so you can reply that violence doesn’t have to be physical?
The throwing and smashing of plates and glasses in the context of a heated row is physical violence.
Arguments where no one is hurt is physical violence?
To be fair, if I took a swing at you and missed because you ducked out of the way that would still be physical violence.
That is true, although there is no evidence, or any allegation, that anything like that took place, despite the desire for it from impartial observers
It’s no wonder Johnson is stay out of site listening to his foot soldiers trying to defend the indefensible it would be hilarious if not serious. He won’t worry about the members hustings as they believe his crap, think stories about his private life are politically motivated and most have made up their minds anyway. To avoid wider public scrutiny is his best tactic and costs him nothing in terms of the members.
Stories about his private life ARE politically motivated.
If it wasn't for politics then "lovers argue after man spills wine on sofa" would not be news.
Yep, if Johnson was not running to be PM the fact the police were called because the row was so violently noisy would not have been news.
I’m not saying the reporting of the event was not politically motivated but that many people actually discredit the story using that phrase. If nothing else it shows that he should of realized it would be reported if he farted in bed so should have been more careful.
Johnson is running for PM. He was involved in a violent row audible to a number of neighbours in their own homes. Of course it’s news.
Be honest, do you you only repeatedly use ‘violent’ because you’d like someone to point out that there was no violence, so you can reply that violence doesn’t have to be physical?
The throwing and smashing of plates and glasses in the context of a heated row is physical violence.
Arguments where no one is hurt is physical violence?
Assault does not require anyone to be hurt. Also suggestions of domestic violence or the possibility of, are normally followed up by police I think.
It’s no wonder Johnson is stay out of site listening to his foot soldiers trying to defend the indefensible it would be hilarious if not serious. He won’t worry about the members hustings as they believe his crap, think stories about his private life are politically motivated and most have made up their minds anyway. To avoid wider public scrutiny is his best tactic and costs him nothing in terms of the members.
Stories about his private life ARE politically motivated.
If it wasn't for politics then "lovers argue after man spills wine on sofa" would not be news.
Yep, if Johnson was not running to be PM the fact the police were called because the row was so violently noisy would not have been news.
I’m not saying the reporting of the event was not politically motivated but that many people actually discredit the story using that phrase. If nothing else it shows that he should of realized it would be reported if he farted in bed so should have been more careful.
Johnson is running for PM. He was involved in a violent row audible to a number of neighbours in their own homes. Of course it’s news.
"violent"? That would surely require something more than "nothing to see here" from Plod.
That's a bit of a stretch regarding the Police response. In a domestic situation, if neither of the couple want to complain and there is no obvious injury, Police tend not to take things further as I understand it. The chance of conviction if nobody wants to complain is minimal.
But "violent row" is perfectly fair. Neighbours attest to much screaming and crockery being smashed, I don't think there's any dispute about a "get off me".
It's not illegal to smash plates in your own home if you're throwing them at the floor rather than other people. But it wasn't a nothing-burger and does speak to a criticism of Johnson that he's a chaotic individual in a time when we could perhaps do with stability.
You've obviously led a sheltered live
If you mean I've not been involved in a row so aggressive that neighbours have seen fit to call the Police, and even those who didn't make the call expressed genuine concern over the safety of those involved, then yes I've led a sheltered life.
It’s no wonder Johnson is stay out of site listening to his foot soldiers trying to defend the indefensible it would be hilarious if not serious. He won’t worry about the members hustings as they believe his crap, think stories about his private life are politically motivated and most have made up their minds anyway. To avoid wider public scrutiny is his best tactic and costs him nothing in terms of the members.
Stories about his private life ARE politically motivated.
If it wasn't for politics then "lovers argue after man spills wine on sofa" would not be news.
Yep, if Johnson was not running to be PM the fact the police were called because the row was so violently noisy would not have been news.
I’m not saying the reporting of the event was not politically motivated but that many people actually discredit the story using that phrase. If nothing else it shows that he should of realized it would be reported if he farted in bed so should have been more careful.
Johnson is running for PM. He was involved in a violent row audible to a number of neighbours in their own homes. Of course it’s news.
Be honest, do you you only repeatedly use ‘violent’ because you’d like someone to point out that there was no violence, so you can reply that violence doesn’t have to be physical?
The throwing and smashing of plates and glasses in the context of a heated row is physical violence.
It’s no wonder Johnson is stay out of site listening to his foot soldiers trying to defend the indefensible it would be hilarious if not serious. He won’t worry about the members hustings as they believe his crap, think stories about his private life are politically motivated and most have made up their minds anyway. To avoid wider public scrutiny is his best tactic and costs him nothing in terms of the members.
Stories about his private life ARE politically motivated.
If it wasn't for politics then "lovers argue after man spills wine on sofa" would not be news.
Yep, if Johnson was not running to be PM the fact the police were called because the row was so violently noisy would not have been news.
I’m not saying the reporting of the event was not politically motivated but that many people actually discredit the story using that phrase. If nothing else it shows that he should of realized it would be reported if he farted in bed so should have been more careful.
Johnson is running for PM. He was involved in a violent row audible to a number of neighbours in their own homes. Of course it’s news.
"violent"? That would surely require something more than "nothing to see here" from Plod.
Did they listen to the recording? Several neighbours have reported smashing plates and very loud shouting. One - who did not record the row, but was considering calling the police when they turned up - said they’d never heard anything like it.
How often does smashing a plate warrant what I presume was a 999 call - otherwise Plod probably wouldn't have even bothered to turn up.
The smashing plates, what was being said, the volume level - put all those together and it seems perfectly reasonable to call the police.
Absolutely.
Once the Police have left, said there was no cause for concern and moved on . . . then calling the Guardian makes this about politics not concern.
Of course it’s about politics. Johnson wants to be PM.
It’s no wonder Johnson is stay out of site listening to his foot soldiers trying to defend the indefensible it would be hilarious if not serious. He won’t worry about the members hustings as they believe his crap, think stories about his private life are politically motivated and most have made up their minds anyway. To avoid wider public scrutiny is his best tactic and costs him nothing in terms of the members.
Stories about his private life ARE politically motivated.
If it wasn't for politics then "lovers argue after man spills wine on sofa" would not be news.
Yep, if Johnson was not running to be PM the fact the police were called because the row was so violently noisy would not have been news.
I’m not saying the reporting of the event was not politically motivated but that many people actually discredit the story using that phrase. If nothing else it shows that he should of realized it would be reported if he farted in bed so should have been more careful.
Johnson is running for PM. He was involved in a violent row audible to a number of neighbours in their own homes. Of course it’s news.
Be honest, do you you only repeatedly use ‘violent’ because you’d like someone to point out that there was no violence, so you can reply that violence doesn’t have to be physical?
"Get off me" is pretty conclusive
I wouldn’t say so.
It's quite obvious that if there was blood everywhere you'd still want it tested.
Not at all, I just find the lust for there to be more to this than there is, and the desire to believe the neighbours were moral guardians, embarrassing.
It’s no wonder Johnson is stay out of site listening to his foot soldiers trying to defend the indefensible it would be hilarious if not serious. He won’t worry about the members hustings as they believe his crap, think stories about his private life are politically motivated and most have made up their minds anyway. To avoid wider public scrutiny is his best tactic and costs him nothing in terms of the members.
Stories about his private life ARE politically motivated.
If it wasn't for politics then "lovers argue after man spills wine on sofa" would not be news.
Yep, if Johnson was not running to be PM the fact the police were called because the row was so violently noisy would not have been news.
I’m not saying the reporting of the event was not politically motivated but that many people actually discredit the story using that phrase. If nothing else it shows that he should of realized it would be reported if he farted in bed so should have been more careful.
Johnson is running for PM. He was involved in a violent row audible to a number of neighbours in their own homes. Of course it’s news.
Be honest, do you you only repeatedly use ‘violent’ because you’d like someone to point out that there was no violence, so you can reply that violence doesn’t have to be physical?
The irony is that for those that want Brexit, it is clear to anyone that understands principles of leadership that Hunt stands a much higher chance of achieving Brexit than Johnson. Johnson has no managerial skills, no diplomatic skills and is lazier than David Davis. "Oh but he has charisma, and believes in Brexit" says HYUFD with blind loyalty. The latter is highly unlikely and the former is largely irrelevant if he has none of the other skills. If you want Brexit to die a death, vote Boris. Hmm, maybe I should just abstain!
I know I don't agree with you on Brexit (you being a staunch Remainer) but I'd agree with that. If you want to Remain in the EU, vote Boris. He's going to screw it up and we'll end up not leaving in October, if ever.
Only Hunt could (of the two remaining candidates) [1] deliver Brexit in any form now.
[1] Of course, a GE or other black swan event could mean its PM Corbyn, PM Swinson, PM Farage, PM Clarke who is in charge and then all bets are off.
To be honest I don't like or trust either of them. And that is not primarily about Brexit either.
I think Hunt is someone, very like May, lacking in values, beliefs or ideas who sees power as something to be achieved for its own sake without any understanding of what to do with it.
I think Boris is incompetent, careless and lazy. I think that the fact he has got himself into a position where a private row can blow up like this in the public eye is far more concerning than the nature of the row itself.
Neither of them are fit to be PM.
Agreed. They are both vacuous chancers with no solid beliefs or principles - they are interested solely in their own personal advancement.
And now that Boris is imploding before our eyes I think we can say that Brexit will certainly not be delivered. There was just a small chance that if Boris was elected on a clear no deal platform he might just have managed to deliver that, albeit at great cost, but his cowardice under fire will not allow him to do that now.
The fact that the main topic of discussion here is still this matter is bad news for Boris, though his lead is so large it probably won't alter the outcome.
Mr. Seal, identities can change, fade, and grow, but it's tricky to force them. Rome did, but that was the point of a sword and over centuries.
It’s no wonder Johnson is stay out of site listening to his foot soldiers trying to defend the indefensible it would be hilarious if not serious. He won’t worry about the members hustings as they believe his crap, think stories about his private life are politically motivated and most have made up their minds anyway. To avoid wider public scrutiny is his best tactic and costs him nothing in terms of the members.
Stories about his private life ARE politically motivated.
If it wasn't for politics then "lovers argue after man spills wine on sofa" would not be news.
Yep, if Johnson was not running to be PM the fact the police were called because the row was so violently noisy would not have been news.
I’m not saying the reporting of the event was not politically motivated but that many people actually discredit the story using that phrase. If nothing else it shows that he should of realized it would be reported if he farted in bed so should have been more careful.
Johnson is running for PM. He was involved in a violent row audible to a number of neighbours in their own homes. Of course it’s news.
Be honest, do you you only repeatedly use ‘violent’ because you’d like someone to point out that there was no violence, so you can reply that violence doesn’t have to be physical?
The throwing and smashing of plates and glasses in the context of a heated row is physical violence.
Arguments where no one is hurt is physical violence?
Assault does not require anyone to be hurt. Also suggestions of domestic violence or the possibility of, are normally followed up by police I think.
Yes, but it’s been three days since it’s been shown that there was no violence, assault or case for the police to consider.
It’s no wonder Johnson is stay out of site listening to his foot soldiers trying to defend the indefensible it would be hilarious if not serious. He won’t worry about the members hustings as they believe his crap, think stories about his private life are politically motivated and most have made up their minds anyway. To avoid wider public scrutiny is his best tactic and costs him nothing in terms of the members.
Stories about his private life ARE politically motivated.
If it wasn't for politics then "lovers argue after man spills wine on sofa" would not be news.
Yep, if Johnson was not running to be PM the fact the police were called because the row was so violently noisy would not have been news.
I’m not saying the reporting of the event was not politically motivated but that many people actually discredit the story using that phrase. If nothing else it shows that he should of realized it would be reported if he farted in bed so should have been more careful.
Johnson is running for PM. He was involved in a violent row audible to a number of neighbours in their own homes. Of course it’s news.
Be honest, do you you only repeatedly use ‘violent’ because you’d like someone to point out that there was no violence, so you can reply that violence doesn’t have to be physical?
The throwing and smashing of plates and glasses in the context of a heated row is physical violence.
tosh
Seriously? A wife throws a plate at a husband and this is not physical violence? It is exactly physical violence.
Sorry are you being ironic here? It never comes off well on the internet.
Brave Sir Robin has shat his pants, brave Sir Robin
Johnson doesn’t do scrutiny. Never has. You understand why when he absolutely cannot avoid it.
I don't know whether to look forward to Johnson at PMQs for the lolz, or be worried about the erosion of accountability that will result.
He got away with it as London mayor because no-one watched his Q&A sessions and there was no reporting of them. It won’t be like that with PMQs. His inability and unwillingness to answer questions will become a thing, as will his failure to master briefs.
There was a recent study that found Theresa May to be the most evasive prime minister at PMQs. It was not a public scandal. The sad truth is parliament does not hold the government to account.
I think the difference between May and Johnson is that May mastered her brief. Johnson following the evasive May is not going to help him either. What he does have going for him, though, is Corbyn. He is equally as lazy and utterly incapable of thinking on his feet.
Question: It seems to me that if Boris is appointed (though punters beginning to act as if it isn't quite free money) there is a significant chance that he can't command the confidence of the H o C on account of the Ellwood factor.
It is possible that TM may think that, say, Kenneth Clarke, or Hilary Benn or Yvette Cooper or even JC may have a higher chance of having the confidence of the house - Clarke or Benn or Cooper being via a GNU sort of arrangement.
What advice should she give HM the Queen? An additional factor is that TM does not seem to owe Boris any particular favours.
It’s no wonder Johnson is stay out of site listening to his foot soldiers trying to defend the indefensible it would be hilarious if not serious. He won’t worry about the members hustings as they believe his crap, think stories about his private life are politically motivated and most have made up their minds anyway. To avoid wider public scrutiny is his best tactic and costs him nothing in terms of the members.
Stories about his private life ARE politically motivated.
If it wasn't for politics then "lovers argue after man spills wine on sofa" would not be news.
Yep, if Johnson was not running to be PM the fact the police were called because the row was so violently noisy would not have been news.
I’m not saying the reporting of the event was not politically motivated but that many people actually discredit the story using that phrase. If nothing else it shows that he should of realized it would be reported if he farted in bed so should have been more careful.
Johnson is running for PM. He was involved in a violent row audible to a number of neighbours in their own homes. Of course it’s news.
Be honest, do you you only repeatedly use ‘violent’ because you’d like someone to point out that there was no violence, so you can reply that violence doesn’t have to be physical?
"Get off me" is pretty conclusive
I wouldn’t say so.
It's quite obvious that if there was blood everywhere you'd still want it tested.
Not at all, I just find the lust for there to be more to this than there is, and the desire to believe the neighbours were moral guardians, embarrassing.
The real issue isn't the incident itself, but the glimpse of the future we might be getting.
Brown's throwing of a phone wasn't serious, but boy wasnt it indicative?
It’s only an issue if they go ahead without him isn’t it?
They absolutely should give Hunt a free hour to make his case if BJ has better things to do than talk to the public.
Sky - talking to the public?
I think Sky's political coverage is surprisingly good. On the BBC it seems to be always either the interviewer trying to catch the politician out, or a "balanced" debate where equal time is given to two opposing extremes, at least one of which is bonkers without any experts or people in the middle allowed to contribute.
Whilst those are certainly prevalent on Sky too, there seems more variety in interviewing techniques and something like the pledge allows "slightly" more nuanced debate than we would get on the BBC.
It’s no wonder Johnson is stay out of site listening to his foot soldiers trying to defend the indefensible it would be hilarious if not serious. He won’t worry about the members hustings as they believe his crap, think stories about his private life are politically motivated and most have made up their minds anyway. To avoid wider public scrutiny is his best tactic and costs him nothing in terms of the members.
Stories about his private life ARE politically motivated.
If it wasn't for politics then "lovers argue after man spills wine on sofa" would not be news.
Yep, if Johnson was not running to be PM the fact the police were called because the row was so violently noisy would not have been news.
I’m not saying the reporting of the event was not politically motivated but that many people actually discredit the story using that phrase. If nothing else it shows that he should of realized it would be reported if he farted in bed so should have been more careful.
Johnson is running for PM. He was involved in a violent row audible to a number of neighbours in their own homes. Of course it’s news.
"violent"? That would surely require something more than "nothing to see here" from Plod.
That's a bit of a stretch regarding the Police response. In a domestic situation, if neither of the couple want to complain and there is no obvious injury, Police tend not to take things further as I understand it. The chance of conviction if nobody wants to complain is minimal.
But "violent row" is perfectly fair. Neighbours attest to much screaming and crockery being smashed, I don't think there's any dispute about a "get off me".
It's not illegal to smash plates in your own home if you're throwing them at the floor rather than other people. But it wasn't a nothing-burger and does speak to a criticism of Johnson that he's a chaotic individual in a time when we could perhaps do with stability.
You've obviously led a sheltered live
If you mean I've not been involved in a row so aggressive that neighbours have seen fit to call the Police, and even those who didn't make the call expressed genuine concern over the safety of those involved, then yes I've led a sheltered life.
It’s no wonder Johnson is stay out of site listening to his foot soldiers trying to defend the indefensible it would be hilarious if not serious. He won’t worry about the members hustings as they believe his crap, think stories about his private life are politically motivated and most have made up their minds anyway. To avoid wider public scrutiny is his best tactic and costs him nothing in terms of the members.
Stories about his private life ARE politically motivated.
If it wasn't for politics then "lovers argue after man spills wine on sofa" would not be news.
Yep, if Johnson was not running to be PM the fact the police were called because the row was so violently noisy would not have been news.
I’m not saying the reporting of the event was not politically motivated but that many people actually discredit the story using that phrase. If nothing else it shows that he should of realized it would be reported if he farted in bed so should have been more careful.
Johnson is running for PM. He was involved in a violent row audible to a number of neighbours in their own homes. Of course it’s news.
Be honest, do you you only repeatedly use ‘violent’ because you’d like someone to point out that there was no violence, so you can reply that violence doesn’t have to be physical?
The throwing and smashing of plates and glasses in the context of a heated row is physical violence.
Arguments where no one is hurt is physical violence?
Assault does not require anyone to be hurt. Also suggestions of domestic violence or the possibility of, are normally followed up by police I think.
Yes, but it’s been three days since it’s been shown that there was no violence, assault or case for the police to consider.
If someone hears or sees what they believe is a fight, and is concerned for the safety of one or more of the individuals involved, wouldn't you rather they err on the side of caution and call the police - even if it turns out they were wrong?
(That doesn't excuse going to the media, which is another issue.)
You can choose if the domestic at the flat influences how you see Johnson or not, you can make you’re own mind up on what info is available whether the incident was serious. At the end of the day it doesn’t matter a jot if those who recorded it were politically motivated, it happened, make your own mind up. I actually think that the fact he put himself in such a position, knowing the country’s media were watching his every move, is more telling but again it’s up to you.
Question: It seems to me that if Boris is appointed (though punters beginning to act as if it isn't quite free money) there is a significant chance that he can't command the confidence of the H o C on account of the Ellwood factor.
It is possible that TM may think that, say, Kenneth Clarke, or Hilary Benn or Yvette Cooper or even JC may have a higher chance of having the confidence of the house - Clarke or Benn or Cooper being via a GNU sort of arrangement.
What advice should she give HM the Queen? An additional factor is that TM does not seem to owe Boris any particular favours.
This is a complete non-starter, it is Boris or Corbyn or nobody.
If Boris wins they he can and should three-line-whip all Tories to support him in a vote and to oppose everyone else. Corbyn can and will three-line-whip all of the PLP to support him in a vote and to oppose everyone else.
To get a GONU you would need either Boris or Corbyn to be prepared to stand down and back whoever is proposed [not going to happen] or you would need basically 300+ Tory and Labour MPs who are prepared to defect from their own party to support it.
It’s no wonder Johnson is stay out of site listening to his foot soldiers trying to defend the indefensible it would be hilarious if not serious. He won’t worry about the members hustings as they believe his crap, think stories about his private life are politically motivated and most have made up their minds anyway. To avoid wider public scrutiny is his best tactic and costs him nothing in terms of the members.
Stories about his private life ARE politically motivated.
If it wasn't for politics then "lovers argue after man spills wine on sofa" would not be news.
Yep, if Johnson was not running to be PM the fact the police were called because the row was so violently noisy would not have been news.
I’m not saying the reporting of the event was not politically motivated but that many people actually discredit the story using that phrase. If nothing else it shows that he should of realized it would be reported if he farted in bed so should have been more careful.
Johnson is running for PM. He was involved in a violent row audible to a number of neighbours in their own homes. Of course it’s news.
Be honest, do you you only repeatedly use ‘violent’ because you’d like someone to point out that there was no violence, so you can reply that violence doesn’t have to be physical?
The throwing and smashing of plates and glasses in the context of a heated row is physical violence.
Arguments where no one is hurt is physical violence?
Assault does not require anyone to be hurt. Also suggestions of domestic violence or the possibility of, are normally followed up by police I think.
Yes, but it’s been three days since it’s been shown that there was no violence, assault or case for the police to consider.
I'm pretty sure that it is common for spouses who suffer abuse whether physical or otherwise to refuse to press any claims or charges against their abusive partners and often seek to reunite with them. Plod turning up at the door where there was evidently a fracas of some sort and being told "we're ok here thanks" is evidence of nothing. It is certainly not evidence of no abuse or violence.
It’s no wonder Johnson is stay out of site listening to his foot soldiers trying to defend the indefensible it would be hilarious if not serious. He won’t worry about the members hustings as they believe his crap, think stories about his private life are politically motivated and most have made up their minds anyway. To avoid wider public scrutiny is his best tactic and costs him nothing in terms of the members.
Stories about his private life ARE politically motivated.
If it wasn't for politics then "lovers argue after man spills wine on sofa" would not be news.
Yep, if Johnson was not running to be PM the fact the police were called because the row was so violently noisy would not have been news.
I’m not saying the reporting of the event was not politically motivated but that many people actually discredit the story using that phrase. If nothing else it shows that he should of realized it would be reported if he farted in bed so should have been more careful.
Johnson is running for PM. He was involved in a violent row audible to a number of neighbours in their own homes. Of course it’s news.
"violent"? That would surely require something more than "nothing to see here" from Plod.
That's a bit of a stretch regarding the Police response. In a domestic situation, if neither of the couple want to complain and there is no obvious injury, Police tend not to take things further as I understand it. The chance of conviction if nobody wants to complain is minimal.
But "violent row" is perfectly fair. Neighbours attest to much screaming and crockery being smashed, I don't think there's any dispute about a "get off me".
It's not illegal to smash plates in your own home if you're throwing them at the floor rather than other people. But it wasn't a nothing-burger and does speak to a criticism of Johnson that he's a chaotic individual in a time when we could perhaps do with stability.
You've obviously led a sheltered live
If you mean I've not been involved in a row so aggressive that neighbours have seen fit to call the Police, and even those who didn't make the call expressed genuine concern over the safety of those involved, then yes I've led a sheltered life.
Same here. I’ve been married for 30 years. Before last weekend I thought it was normal that the police had never been called to our place when me and my wife argued. But I now know we’re the exception not the rule.
Question: It seems to me that if Boris is appointed (though punters beginning to act as if it isn't quite free money) there is a significant chance that he can't command the confidence of the H o C on account of the Ellwood factor.
It is possible that TM may think that, say, Kenneth Clarke, or Hilary Benn or Yvette Cooper or even JC may have a higher chance of having the confidence of the house - Clarke or Benn or Cooper being via a GNU sort of arrangement.
What advice should she give HM the Queen? An additional factor is that TM does not seem to owe Boris any particular favours.
It would have been very possible vs Raab/McVey, but not Boris unless he becomes a pure no dealer in the next couple of weeks.
It will be possible with Boris as we get close to the October deadline, obv thru a VONC rather than May being involved.
It’s no wonder Johnson is stay out of site listening to his foot soldiers trying to defend the indefensible it would be hilarious if not serious. He won’t worry about the members hustings as they believe his crap, think stories about his private life are politically motivated and most have made up their minds anyway. To avoid wider public scrutiny is his best tactic and costs him nothing in terms of the members.
Stories about his private life ARE politically motivated.
If it wasn't for politics then "lovers argue after man spills wine on sofa" would not be news.
Yep, if Johnson was not running to be PM the fact the police were called because the row was so violently noisy would not have been news.
I’m not saying the reporting of the event was not politically motivated but that many people actually discredit the story using that phrase. If nothing else it shows that he should of realized it would be reported if he farted in bed so should have been more careful.
Johnson is running for PM. He was involved in a violent row audible to a number of neighbours in their own homes. Of course it’s news.
Be honest, do you you only repeatedly use ‘violent’ because you’d like someone to point out that there was no violence, so you can reply that violence doesn’t have to be physical?
The throwing and smashing of plates and glasses in the context of a heated row is physical violence.
tosh
Seriously? A wife throws a plate at a husband and this is not physical violence? It is exactly physical violence.
Sorry are you being ironic here? It never comes off well on the internet.
"throw at" - new evidence? - call Plod and they'll tell you to fuck off - quite nicely though
It’s no wonder Johnson is stay out of site listening to his foot soldiers trying to defend the indefensible it would be hilarious if not serious. He won’t worry about the members hustings as they believe his crap, think stories about his private life are politically motivated and most have made up their minds anyway. To avoid wider public scrutiny is his best tactic and costs him nothing in terms of the members.
Stories about his private life ARE politically motivated.
If it wasn't for politics then "lovers argue after man spills wine on sofa" would not be news.
Yep, if Johnson was not running to be PM the fact the police were called because the row was so violently noisy would not have been news.
I’m not saying the reporting of the event was not politically motivated but that many people actually discredit the story using that phrase. If nothing else it shows that he should of realized it would be reported if he farted in bed so should have been more careful.
Johnson is running for PM. He was involved in a violent row audible to a number of neighbours in their own homes. Of course it’s news.
Be honest, do you you only repeatedly use ‘violent’ because you’d like someone to point out that there was no violence, so you can reply that violence doesn’t have to be physical?
The throwing and smashing of plates and glasses in the context of a heated row is physical violence.
Arguments where no one is hurt is physical violence?
Assault does not require anyone to be hurt. Also suggestions of domestic violence or the possibility of, are normally followed up by police I think.
Yes, but it’s been three days since it’s been shown that there was no violence, assault or case for the police to consider.
I'm pretty sure that it is common for spouses who suffer abuse whether physical or otherwise to refuse to press any claims or charges against their abusive partners and often seek to reunite with them. Plod turning up at the door where there was evidently a fracas of some sort and being told "we're ok here thanks" is evidence of nothing. It is certainly not evidence of no abuse or violence.
Plod turning up within 5 minutes of the incident tells us something.
We've had wild words thrown around like "blood over the floor" etc - if any of that had happened the plod would have seen it.
Plod turning up within 5 minutes of the incident tells us something.
We've had wild words thrown around like "blood over the floor" etc - if any of that had happened the plod would have seen it.
I agree that's likely. However: the plod have handled this terribly. Who knows quite what 'restrict it' means when it comes to investigating our superiors?
It’s no wonder Johnson is stay out of site listening to his foot soldiers trying to defend the indefensible it would be hilarious if not serious. He won’t worry about the members hustings as they believe his crap, think stories about his private life are politically motivated and most have made up their minds anyway. To avoid wider public scrutiny is his best tactic and costs him nothing in terms of the members.
Stories about his private life ARE politically motivated.
If it wasn't for politics then "lovers argue after man spills wine on sofa" would not be news.
Yep, if Johnson was not running to be PM the fact the police were called because the row was so violently noisy would not have been news.
I’m not saying the reporting of the event was not politically motivated but that many people actually discredit the story using that phrase. If nothing else it shows that he should of realized it would be reported if he farted in bed so should have been more careful.
Johnson is running for PM. He was involved in a violent row audible to a number of neighbours in their own homes. Of course it’s news.
Be honest, do you you only repeatedly use ‘violent’ because you’d like someone to point out that there was no violence, so you can reply that violence doesn’t have to be physical?
The throwing and smashing of plates and glasses in the context of a heated row is physical violence.
tosh
Seriously? A wife throws a plate at a husband and this is not physical violence? It is exactly physical violence.
Sorry are you being ironic here? It never comes off well on the internet.
"throw at" - new evidence? - call Plod and they'll tell you to fuck off - quite nicely though
My gut feel is that if the police are called to be told that your spouse has thrown something at you then they will not tell you to fuck off.
But perhaps someone with experience of this can elucidate. But in the meantime here's a handy guide as to what plod believes is domestic abuse.
It’s no wonder Johnson is stay out of site listening to his foot soldiers trying to defend the indefensible it would be hilarious if not serious. He won’t worry about the members hustings as they believe his crap, think stories about his private life are politically motivated and most have made up their minds anyway. To avoid wider public scrutiny is his best tactic and costs him nothing in terms of the members.
Stories about his private life ARE politically motivated.
If it wasn't for politics then "lovers argue after man spills wine on sofa" would not be news.
Yep, if Johnson was not running to be PM the fact the police were called because the row was so violently noisy would not have been news.
I’m not saying the reporting of the event was not politically motivated but that many people actually discredit the story using that phrase. If nothing else it shows that he should of realized it would be reported if he farted in bed so should have been more careful.
Johnson is running for PM. He was involved in a violent row audible to a number of neighbours in their own homes. Of course it’s news.
Be honest, do you you only repeatedly use ‘violent’ because you’d like someone to point out that there was no violence, so you can reply that violence doesn’t have to be physical?
"Get off me" is pretty conclusive
Conclusive of what?
When I've pissed off my wife I've sometimes gone to give her a hug to apologise/calm her down and she's used those exact words.
It’s no wonder Johnson is stay out of site listening to his foot soldiers trying to defend the indefensible it would be hilarious if not serious. He won’t worry about the members hustings as they believe his crap, think stories about his private life are politically motivated and most have made up their minds anyway. To avoid wider public scrutiny is his best tactic and costs him nothing in terms of the members.
Stories about his private life ARE politically motivated.
If it wasn't for politics then "lovers argue after man spills wine on sofa" would not be news.
Yep, if Johnson was not running to be PM the fact the police were called because the row was so violently noisy would not have been news.
I’m not saying the reporting of the event was not politically motivated but that many people actually discredit the story using that phrase. If nothing else it shows that he should of realized it would be reported if he farted in bed so should have been more careful.
Johnson is running for PM. He was involved in a violent row audible to a number of neighbours in their own homes. Of course it’s news.
Be honest, do you you only repeatedly use ‘violent’ because you’d like someone to point out that there was no violence, so you can reply that violence doesn’t have to be physical?
The throwing and smashing of plates and glasses in the context of a heated row is physical violence.
Arguments where no one is hurt is physical violence?
Assault does not require anyone to be hurt. Also suggestions of domestic violence or the possibility of, are normally followed up by police I think.
Yes, but it’s been three days since it’s been shown that there was no violence, assault or case for the police to consider.
If someone hears or sees what they believe is a fight, and is concerned for the safety of one or more of the individuals involved, wouldn't you rather they err on the side of caution and call the police - even if it turns out they were wrong?
(That doesn't excuse going to the media, which is another issue.)
It’s no wonder Johnson is stay out of site listening to his foot soldiers trying to defend the indefensible it would be hilarious if not serious. He won’t worry about the members hustings as they believe his crap, think stories about his private life are politically motivated and most have made up their minds anyway. To avoid wider public scrutiny is his best tactic and costs him nothing in terms of the members.
Stories about his private life ARE politically motivated.
If it wasn't for politics then "lovers argue after man spills wine on sofa" would not be news.
Yep, if Johnson was not running to be PM the fact the police were called because the row was so violently noisy would not have been news.
I’m not saying the reporting of the event was not politically motivated but that many people actually discredit the story using that phrase. If nothing else it shows that he should of realized it would be reported if he farted in bed so should have been more careful.
Johnson is running for PM. He was involved in a violent row audible to a number of neighbours in their own homes. Of course it’s news.
Be honest, do you you only repeatedly use ‘violent’ because you’d like someone to point out that there was no violence, so you can reply that violence doesn’t have to be physical?
"Get off me" is pretty conclusive
Conclusive of what?
When I've pissed off my wife I've sometimes gone to give her a hug to apologise/calm her down and she's used those exact words.
Same here. I’ve been married for 30 years. Before last weekend I thought it was normal that the police had never been called to our place when me and my wife argued. But I now know we’re the exception not the rule.
I've been locked up quite a few times but never for having a blazing row with my Mrs so I think I've had a partially sheltered life.
It’s no wonder Johnson is stay out of site listening to his foot soldiers trying to defend the indefensible it would be hilarious if not serious. He won’t worry about the members hustings as they believe his crap, think stories about his private life are politically motivated and most have made up their minds anyway. To avoid wider public scrutiny is his best tactic and costs him nothing in terms of the members.
Stories about his private life ARE politically motivated.
If it wasn't for politics then "lovers argue after man spills wine on sofa" would not be news.
Yep, if Johnson was not running to be PM the fact the police were called because the row was so violently noisy would not have been news.
I’m not saying the reporting of the event was not politically motivated but that many people actually discredit the story using that phrase. If nothing else it shows that he should of realized it would be reported if he farted in bed so should have been more careful.
Johnson is running for PM. He was involved in a violent row audible to a number of neighbours in their own homes. Of course it’s news.
Be honest, do you you only repeatedly use ‘violent’ because you’d like someone to point out that there was no violence, so you can reply that violence doesn’t have to be physical?
The throwing and smashing of plates and glasses in the context of a heated row is physical violence.
Arguments where no one is hurt is physical violence?
Assault does not require anyone to be hurt. Also suggestions of domestic violence or the possibility of, are normally followed up by police I think.
Yes, but it’s been three days since it’s been shown that there was no violence, assault or case for the police to consider.
If someone hears or sees what they believe is a fight, and is concerned for the safety of one or more of the individuals involved, wouldn't you rather they err on the side of caution and call the police - even if it turns out they were wrong?
(That doesn't excuse going to the media, which is another issue.)
It’s not unreasonable for neighbours to call the police if they think someone next door is being attacked, no.
But as there was no case to answer, why are people still trying to make out it was more than it was?
It’s no wonder Johnson is stay out of site listening to his foot soldiers trying to defend the indefensible it would be hilarious if not serious. He won’t worry about the members hustings as they believe his crap, think stories about his private life are politically motivated and most have made up their minds anyway. To avoid wider public scrutiny is his best tactic and costs him nothing in terms of the members.
Stories about his private life ARE politically motivated.
If it wasn't for politics then "lovers argue after man spills wine on sofa" would not be news.
Yep, if Johnson was not running to be PM the fact the police were called because the row was so violently noisy would not have been news.
I’m not saying the reporting of the event was not politically motivated but that many people actually discredit the story using that phrase. If nothing else it shows that he should of realized it would be reported if he farted in bed so should have been more careful.
Johnson is running for PM. He was involved in a violent row audible to a number of neighbours in their own homes. Of course it’s news.
Be honest, do you you only repeatedly use ‘violent’ because you’d like someone to point out that there was no violence, so you can reply that violence doesn’t have to be physical?
The throwing and smashing of plates and glasses in the context of a heated row is physical violence.
Arguments where no one is hurt is physical violence?
Assault does not require anyone to be hurt. Also suggestions of domestic violence or the possibility of, are normally followed up by police I think.
Yes, but it’s been three days since it’s been shown that there was no violence, assault or case for the police to consider.
If someone hears or sees what they believe is a fight, and is concerned for the safety of one or more of the individuals involved, wouldn't you rather they err on the side of caution and call the police - even if it turns out they were wrong?
(That doesn't excuse going to the media, which is another issue.)
The media briefing is the issue
Isn't that more of a question of whether the media should have published?
It’s no wonder Johnson is stay out of site listening to his foot soldiers trying to defend the indefensible it would be hilarious if not serious. He won’t worry about the members hustings as they believe his crap, think stories about his private life are politically motivated and most have made up their minds anyway. To avoid wider public scrutiny is his best tactic and costs him nothing in terms of the members.
Stories about his private life ARE politically motivated.
If it wasn't for politics then "lovers argue after man spills wine on sofa" would not be news.
Yep, if Johnson was not running to be PM the fact the police were called because the row was so violently noisy would not have been news.
I’m not saying the reporting of the event was not politically motivated but that many people actually discredit the story using that phrase. If nothing else it shows that he should of realized it would be reported if he farted in bed so should have been more careful.
Johnson is running for PM. He was involved in a violent row audible to a number of neighbours in their own homes. Of course it’s news.
Be honest, do you you only repeatedly use ‘violent’ because you’d like someone to point out that there was no violence, so you can reply that violence doesn’t have to be physical?
"Get off me" is pretty conclusive
Conclusive of what?
When I've pissed off my wife I've sometimes gone to give her a hug to apologise/calm her down and she's used those exact words.
Do we think if the Queen doesn't offer Johnson the opportunity to form a government because it is clear he doesn't command the confidence of the House that those who use the language of "traitor" will say the Queen is traitorous, or will it convince them it is a bridge too far even for these trying days of the UK constitution? I personally think they'll say she's a traitor to the UK as some do when she didn't veto joining the EC in the first place.
Boris will put a motion through for a general election, and will go on to win on deal or no deal by 31/10 mandate . Most constituencies voted leave , remain voters are in London and Scotland , under FPTP Boris will beat Corbyn hands down
It’s no wonder Johnson is stay out of site listening to his foot soldiers trying most ublic scrutiny is his best tactic and costs him nothing in terms of the members.
Stories about his private life ARE politically motivated.
If it wasn't for politics then "lovers argue after man spills wine on sofa" would not be news.
Yep, if Johnson was not running to be PM the fact the police were called because the row was so violently noisy would not have been news.
I’m not saying the reporting of the event was not politically motivated but careful.
Johnson is running for PM. He was involved in a violent row audible to a number of neighbours in their own homes. Of course it’s news.
"violent"? That would surely require something more than "nothing to see here" from Plod.
That's a bit of a stretch regarding the Police response. In a domestic situation, if neither of the couple want to complain and there is no obvious injury, Police tend not to take things further as I understand it. The chance of conviction if nobody wants to complain is minimal.
But "violent row" is perfectly fair. Neighbours attest to much screaming and crockery being smashed, I don't think there's any dispute about a "get off me".
aotic individual in a time when we could perhaps do with stability.
You've obviously led a sheltered live
Same here. I’ve been married for 30 years. Before last weekend I thought it was normal that the police had never been called to our place when me and my wife argued. But I now know we’re the exception not the rule.
Youre not a celebrity going for a top job, who lives next door to people who want you to be seen in a bad light, plaster your car and letterbox with abusive posters, or have protestors camped outside your house though are you?
Does it really not cross your mind that the neighbours might have been trying to make as much of this as possible?
It’s no wonder Johnson is stay out of site listening to his foot soldiers trying to defend the indefensible it would be hilarious if not serious. He won’t worry about the members hustings as they believe his crap, think stories about his private life are politically motivated and most have made up their minds anyway. To avoid wider public scrutiny is his best tactic and costs him nothing in terms of the members.
Stories about his private life ARE politically motivated.
If it wasn't for politics then "lovers argue after man spills wine on sofa" would not be news.
Yep, if Johnson was not running to be PM the fact the police were called because the row was so violently noisy would not have been news.
I’m not saying the reporting of the event was not politically motivated but that many people actually discredit the story using that phrase. If nothing else it shows that he should of realized it would be reported if he farted in bed so should have been more careful.
Johnson is running for PM. He was involved in a violent row audible to a number of neighbours in their own homes. Of course it’s news.
Be honest, do you you only repeatedly use ‘violent’ because you’d like someone to point out that there was no violence, so you can reply that violence doesn’t have to be physical?
"Get off me" is pretty conclusive
Conclusive of what?
When I've pissed off my wife I've sometimes gone to give her a hug to apologise/calm her down and she's used those exact words.
You can choose if the domestic at the flat influences how you see Johnson or not, you can make you’re own mind up on what info is available whether the incident was serious. At the end of the day it doesn’t matter a jot if those who recorded it were politically motivated, it happened, make your own mind up. I actually think that the fact he put himself in such a position, knowing the country’s media were watching his every move, is more telling but again it’s up to you.
The media weren't watching, they were "briefed" to make trouble and not to protect anyone. The briefing was actually a pre-meditated, very aggressive though not physical act, with intent.
It’s not unreasonable for neighbours to call the police if they think someone next door is being attacked, no.
But as there was no case to answer, why are people still trying to make out it was more than it was?
Because it is the participants who have said there is no case to answer and sadly the history of domestic abuse is such that such statements can't be relied on as proof that there has been no domestic abuse.
Tribal loyalty to Labour will help Corbyn, and loathing of leaving will help the Lib Dems. Meanwhile, the Conservatives will face significant opposition from BP (which they may buy off with the Danegeld of uncontested seats) and be led by a man not encumbered with an excessive degree of competence.
It’s not unreasonable for neighbours to call the police if they think someone next door is being attacked, no.
But as there was no case to answer, why are people still trying to make out it was more than it was?
Because it is the participants who have said there is no case to answer and sadly the history of domestic abuse is such that such statements can't be relied on as proof that there has been no domestic abuse.
It’s no wonder Johnson is stay out of site listening to his foot soldiers trying to defend the indefensible it would be hilarious if not serious. He won’t worry about the members hustings as they believe his crap, think stories about his private life are politically motivated and most have made up their minds anyway. To avoid wider public scrutiny is his best tactic and costs him nothing in terms of the members.
Stories about his private life ARE politically motivated.
If it wasn't for politics then "lovers argue after man spills wine on sofa" would not be news.
Yep, if Johnson was not running to be PM the fact the police were called because the row was so violently noisy would not have been news.
I’m not saying the reporting of the event was not politically motivated but that many people actually discredit the story using that phrase. If nothing else it shows that he should of realized it would be reported if he farted in bed so should have been more careful.
Johnson is running for PM. He was involved in a violent row audible to a number of neighbours in their own homes. Of course it’s news.
Be honest, do you you only repeatedly use ‘violent’ because you’d like someone to point out that there was no violence, so you can reply that violence doesn’t have to be physical?
The throwing and smashing of plates and glasses in the context of a heated row is physical violence.
Arguments where no one is hurt is physical violence?
Assault does not require anyone to be hurt. Also suggestions of domestic violence or the possibility of, are normally followed up by police I think.
Yes, but it’s been three days since it’s been shown that there was no violence, assault or case for the police to consider.
I'm pretty sure that it is common for spouses who suffer abuse whether physical or otherwise to refuse to press any claims or charges against their abusive partners and often seek to reunite with them. Plod turning up at the door where there was evidently a fracas of some sort and being told "we're ok here thanks" is evidence of nothing. It is certainly not evidence of no abuse or violence.
It’s no wonder Johnson is stay out of site listening to his foot soldiers trying most ublic scrutiny is his best tactic and costs him nothing in terms of the members.
Stories about his private life ARE politically motivated.
If it wasn't for politics then "lovers argue after man spills wine on sofa" would not be news.
Yep, if Johnson was not running to be PM the fact the police were called because the row was so violently noisy would not have been news.
I’m not saying the reporting of the event was not politically motivated but careful.
Johnson is running for PM. He was involved in a violent row audible to a number of neighbours in their own homes. Of course it’s news.
"violent"? That would surely require something more than "nothing to see here" from Plod.
That's a bit of a stretch regarding the Police response. In a domestic situation, if neither of the couple want to complain and there is no obvious injury, Police tend not to take things further as I understand it. The chance of conviction if nobody wants to complain is minimal.
But "violent row" is perfectly fair. Neighbours attest to much screaming and crockery being smashed, I don't think there's any dispute about a "get off me".
aotic individual in a time when we could perhaps do with stability.
You've obviously led a sheltered live
Same here. I’ve been married for 30 years. Before last weekend I thought it was normal that the police had never been called to our place when me and my wife argued. But I now know we’re the exception not the rule.
Youre not a celebrity going for a top job, who lives next door to people who want you to be seen in a bad light, plaster your car and letterbox with abusive posters, or have protestors camped outside your house though are you?
Does it really not cross your mind that the neighbours might have been trying to make as much of this as possible?
All stories are leaked for a purpose. A number of witnesses have said there was a violent row. That is a story when it involves the next PM. If it wasn’t it would not be all over every newspaper.
It’s no wonder Johnson is stay out of site listening to his foot soldiers trying to defend the indefensible it would be hilarious if not serious. He won’t worry about the members hustings as they believe his crap, think stories about his private life are politically motivated and most have made up their minds anyway. To avoid wider public scrutiny is his best tactic and costs him nothing in terms of the members.
Yep, if Johnson was not running to be PM the fact the police were called because the row was so violently noisy would not have been news.
I’m not saying the reporting of the event was not politically motivated but that many people actually discredit the story using that phrase. If nothing else it shows that he should of realized it would be reported if he farted in bed so should have been more careful.
Johnson is running for PM. He was involved in a violent row audible to a number of neighbours in their own homes. Of course it’s news.
Be honest, do you you only repeatedly use ‘violent’ because you’d like someone to point out that there was no violence, so you can reply that violence doesn’t have to be physical?
The throwing and smashing of plates and glasses in the context of a heated row is physical violence.
Arguments where no one is hurt is physical violence?
Assault does not require anyone to be hurt. Also suggestions of domestic violence or the possibility of, are normally followed up by police I think.
Yes, but it’s been three days since it’s been shown that there was no violence, assault or case for the police to consider.
I'm pretty sure that it is common for spouses who suffer abuse whether physical or otherwise to refuse to press any claims or charges against their abusive partners and often seek to reunite with them. Plod turning up at the door where there was evidently a fracas of some sort and being told "we're ok here thanks" is evidence of nothing. It is certainly not evidence of no abuse or violence.
Plod turning up within 5 minutes of the incident tells us something.
We've had wild words thrown around like "blood over the floor" etc - if any of that had happened the plod would have seen it.
Boris will put a motion through for a general election, and will go on to win on deal or no deal by 31/10 mandate . Most constituencies voted leave , remain voters are in London and Scotland , under FPTP Boris will beat Corbyn hands down
Not sure Boris will get the chance to try and force a GE.
But be that as it may, Boris beating Jezza hands down is quite a stretch.
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The police said there were no causes for concern and they were on scene within 5 minutes so I think the perjorative of "violently" was not appropriate.
But "violent row" is perfectly fair. Neighbours attest to much screaming and crockery being smashed, I don't think there's any dispute about a "get off me".
It's not illegal to smash plates in your own home if you're throwing them at the floor rather than other people. But it wasn't a nothing-burger and does speak to a criticism of Johnson that he's a chaotic individual in a time when we could perhaps do with stability.
And the one clear indicator we got of the way GE2016 was going was a report from David Herdson about the vibes he was getting from eve-of-poll doorknocking.
Johnson also, in the way he looks, moves and that stuttering staccato "oink oink' noise he makes when blustering to a question, reminds me very much of a pig. Would like to get rid of that if I can, since he will be our PM soon, but am finding it difficult.
Anyhow, bottom line, Jimmy Savile or pig, it's not ideal. If I had a vote it would be going to Jeremy Hunt.
If you want to Remain in the EU, vote Boris. He's going to screw it up and we'll end up not leaving in October, if ever.
Only Hunt could (of the two remaining candidates) [1] deliver Brexit in any form now.
[1] Of course, a GE or other black swan event could mean its PM Corbyn, PM Swinson, PM Farage, PM Clarke who is in charge and then all bets are off.
But the fall of Constantinople, the "discovery" of the Americas and the Protestant Reformation all meant that a geographical concept of Europe became more necessary as "Christendom" didn't cut it anymore - Christendom now included the distant Americas and the continent was religiously divided four or more ways instead of three. But European identity is nevertheless an extension of that earlier concept of Christendom. The fact that Cyprus is considered European, despite being geographically far closer to Asia, shows that the cultural concept of "Christendom" never quite died.
Pro-Europeans need to accept and promote the European identity which, admittedly, is easier in some places than others, notably England. It's not impossible though. States come and go. A British identity was more or less successfully forged by the newly formed British state in the 18th and 19th centuries from disparate, often hostile, parts, only to fall away again in the 20th. I'm sure many people felt pretty Soviet. But you don't necessarily need a state to maintain an identity, the Slovenes settled in what is now Slovenia in the 6th and 7th centuries but only achieved internationally recognised statehood in 1992. The two concepts are separate but overlapping.
I agree that politicians were dishonest about Europe. I would like to see pro-EU politicians argue for the idea of Europe as a country. Unfortunately, I think the idea of the UK as a country is under threat, so Euros as a country will be a long political debate to win.
https://twitter.com/montie/status/1142773129246314496
https://twitter.com/talkRADIO/status/1139253987151110144
Maybe there's something in it.
Let me recommend the book Punch & Judy Politics -- the story of PMQs.
https://www.bitebackpublishing.com/books/punch-and-judy-politics
and anyways the EU are highly unlikely to extend beyond then anyway.
Yet they dismiss and excuse their own Anti Semitic, Marxist, terrorist loving, land grabbing, children's inheritance stealing , Grandpa Stalin.
Boris Johnson is a walking disaster for this country. Brexit has, IMO, already destroyed the Tory Party's reputation for economic management. If Boris Johnson becomes PM it will have little to offer that is better than Mr. Thicky and his left wing cohorts. Hunt is reasonably capable, so stands a chance of stopping the rot. It is now a choice for me to vote for him, or draw a very large penis and balls on the ballot paper.
https://twitter.com/MrMalky/status/1143100144629506048
I think Hunt is someone, very like May, lacking in values, beliefs or ideas who sees power as something to be achieved for its own sake without any understanding of what to do with it.
I think Boris is incompetent, careless and lazy. I think that the fact he has got himself into a position where a private row can blow up like this in the public eye is far more concerning than the nature of the row itself.
Neither of them are fit to be PM.
When I've pissed off my wife I've sometimes gone to give her a hug to apologise/calm her down and she's used those exact words.
Once the Police have left, said there was no cause for concern and moved on . . . then calling the Guardian makes this about politics not concern.
Not at all, I just find the lust for there to be more to this than there is, and the desire to believe the neighbours were moral guardians, embarrassing.
And now that Boris is imploding before our eyes I think we can say that Brexit will certainly not be delivered. There was just a small chance that if Boris was elected on a clear no deal platform he might just have managed to deliver that, albeit at great cost, but his cowardice under fire will not allow him to do that now.
https://twitter.com/Andrew_Adonis/status/1143102572171091968
Mr. Seal, identities can change, fade, and grow, but it's tricky to force them. Rome did, but that was the point of a sword and over centuries.
Sorry are you being ironic here? It never comes off well on the internet.
It is possible that TM may think that, say, Kenneth Clarke, or Hilary Benn or Yvette Cooper or even JC may have a higher chance of having the confidence of the house - Clarke or Benn or Cooper being via a GNU sort of arrangement.
What advice should she give HM the Queen? An additional factor is that TM does not seem to owe Boris any particular favours.
Brown's throwing of a phone wasn't serious, but boy wasnt it indicative?
Whilst those are certainly prevalent on Sky too, there seems more variety in interviewing techniques and something like the pledge allows "slightly" more nuanced debate than we would get on the BBC.
(That doesn't excuse going to the media, which is another issue.)
Mr. P, hope that Prescott can make a full and rapid recovery.
If Boris wins they he can and should three-line-whip all Tories to support him in a vote and to oppose everyone else.
Corbyn can and will three-line-whip all of the PLP to support him in a vote and to oppose everyone else.
To get a GONU you would need either Boris or Corbyn to be prepared to stand down and back whoever is proposed [not going to happen] or you would need basically 300+ Tory and Labour MPs who are prepared to defect from their own party to support it.
It will be possible with Boris as we get close to the October deadline, obv thru a VONC rather than May being involved.
We've had wild words thrown around like "blood over the floor" etc - if any of that had happened the plod would have seen it.
But perhaps someone with experience of this can elucidate. But in the meantime here's a handy guide as to what plod believes is domestic abuse.
https://met.police.uk/advice/advice-and-information/daa/domestic-abuse/what-is-domestic-abuse/
But as there was no case to answer, why are people still trying to make out it was more than it was?
Does it really not cross your mind that the neighbours might have been trying to make as much of this as possible?
Tribal loyalty to Labour will help Corbyn, and loathing of leaving will help the Lib Dems. Meanwhile, the Conservatives will face significant opposition from BP (which they may buy off with the Danegeld of uncontested seats) and be led by a man not encumbered with an excessive degree of competence.
Johnson's supporters do not want to deal with reality, so they cling to belief.
If they believe hard enough then all will be well.
But be that as it may, Boris beating Jezza hands down is quite a stretch.