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Latest voteGove 61Hunt 59Javid 34Johnson 157
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Tactical votes for Hunt from Team Boris to knock Gove out?0
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1st unlike Govey0
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BastardTheScreamingEagles said:Tactical votes for Hunt from Team Boris to knock Gove out?
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2 votes for Cock & Balls?0
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You could check out the paternoster lift in the town hall...TheScreamingEagles said:Tactical votes for Hunt from Team Boris to knock Gove out?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/14/elevator-germans-loopy-revolving-lifts-paternosters0 -
Mysticrose said:IanB2 said:
I reckon that’s two defections from the Tories nailed on.
In which case, the new leader has no working majority in the House of Commons even with the DUP.0 -
I suspect that's how I'm going to vote if it is Boris Johnson v Michael Gove.Scrapheap_as_was said:2 votes for Cock & Balls?
Or probably write 'Ken Clarke' or 'Bring back Dave (pbuh)'0 -
I rather like Javid shame to see him eliminated, hopefully he gets a good role in the next Cabinet. Potential future PM still.0
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Boris breaks through 50% of votes0
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ThanksNigelb said:
You could check out the paternoster lift in the town hall...TheScreamingEagles said:Tactical votes for Hunt from Team Boris to knock Gove out?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/14/elevator-germans-loopy-revolving-lifts-paternosters
(And to everyone else for their suggestions for Stuttgart)0 -
So, over a very fine lunch, Boris can mull over who he wants to face.
Bye bye Gove.....0 -
So this afternoon Johnson's supporters will have their revenge on Gove.
Things could turn very very nasty during the final two if Michael Gove and Sarah Vine decide to bite back.0 -
Time for an election then. Clear out the deadwood.Mysticrose said:
In which case, the new leader has no working majority in the House of Commons even with the DUP.0 -
If I were Boris Johnson I'd worry about those spoiled ballot papers.0
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Johnson will launch a very heavy punch at Gove now.0
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That would probably be for the best. This Parliament has run its course.Philip_Thompson said:
Time for an election then. Clear out the deadwood.Mysticrose said:
In which case, the new leader has no working majority in the House of Commons even with the DUP.0 -
It's going to be tight in the final round, to state the obvious.0
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On the more important issue of the day, currywurst is a crime against sausages.
And then there were 3...0 -
Why are you trying to overturn the will of the people? That will of the people lasts five years.Philip_Thompson said:
Time for an election then. Clear out the deadwood.Mysticrose said:
In which case, the new leader has no working majority in the House of Commons even with the DUP.
FWIW - I think a snap GE will result in an even more well hung Parliament (get your minds out of the gutter.)0 -
The Dream Team! They're now voting for people who can beat Johnson! Only Gove can do that because no one else could be as unscrupulous. Four weeks for Mrs Vine to work her magic.
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Wot - no Osborne? How fickle are you.....TheScreamingEagles said:
I suspect that's how I'm going to vote if it is Boris Johnson v Michael Gove.Scrapheap_as_was said:2 votes for Cock & Balls?
Or probably write 'Ken Clarke' or 'Bring back Dave (pbuh)'0 -
I now hope it is a Boris v Gove contest, as it would be as it stands now, no more Remainers to deliver Brexit we need a Leaver and who better than the 2 frontmen of Vote Leave?
I would vote for Boris and he is more electable but Gove has the intellect to ensure Boris is really tested over the campaign and that is what we need0 -
Tight for first loser sure. Not tight for the winner.AndyJS said:It's going to be tight in the final round, to state the obvious.
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Boris could easily have done more tacticals to keep Hunt 2nd.
Problem is if he now switches votes to Hunt it'll look bad if his score falls. Though I guess he could say it's nothing to do with him.0 -
You take that back!Foxy said:On the more important issue of the day, currywurst is a crime against sausages.
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Greening, Lee, and Grieve?AlastairMeeks said:If I were Boris Johnson I'd worry about those spoiled ballot papers.
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What happens if they are no confidence next week? Is the vote in the government or the PM ? Who would lead the Tory party if corbyn can’t form a majority?0
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Perhaps a Currywurst eating contest to decide the electionFoxy said:On the more important issue of the day, currywurst is a crime against sausages.
And then there were 3...0 -
I hate paternosters. They're an amputation waiting to happen. Although interestingly if you stay on them you don't get crushed at the bottom, you move sideways.Nigelb said:
You could check out the paternoster lift in the town hall...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/14/elevator-germans-loopy-revolving-lifts-paternosters
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"Gove probing Johnson" requires industrial quantities of mind bleach......0
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https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/f20413e3-6a3a-4347-8015-ec5b8f4f3fb4RochdalePioneers said:
Perhaps a Currywurst eating contest to decide the electionFoxy said:On the more important issue of the day, currywurst is a crime against sausages.
And then there were 3...0 -
Boris has been controlling this all along hasn't he?
Gove out this afternoon.1 -
Johnson can easily knock Gove out so it seems right to me.AndyJS said:Gove is still 23/1. Bonkers IMO.
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.125574963
He’ll go up (nominally) about 20-25 from the Saj and will simply donate 10 or so to Hunt.0 -
I agree and Gove will have two votes in our householdHYUFD said:I now hope it is a Boris v Gove contest, as it would be as it stands now, no more Remainers to deliver Brexit we need a Leaver and who better than the 2 frontmen of Vote Leave?
I would vote for Boris and he is more electable but Gove has the intellect to ensure Boris is really tested over the campaign and that is what we need0 -
More Javid voters reported to be going to Gove than Hunt but still close between themTheScreamingEagles said:Tactical votes for Hunt from Team Boris to knock Gove out?
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I encountered my first in Vienna, and remember staying on to see if I got turned upside down as it went over the top. Almost a disappointment it didn’t happen.viewcode said:
I hate paternosters. They're an amputation waiting to happen. Although interestingly if you stay on them you don't get crushed at the bottom, you move sideways.Nigelb said:
You could check out the paternoster lift in the town hall...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/14/elevator-germans-loopy-revolving-lifts-paternosters0 -
Vote for Alec Douglas-Home ....TheScreamingEagles said:
I suspect that's how I'm going to vote if it is Boris Johnson v Michael Gove.Scrapheap_as_was said:2 votes for Cock & Balls?
Or probably write 'Ken Clarke' or 'Bring back Dave (pbuh)'
Scotish peers do it better ....
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Boris could afford to lend Hunt 50.....AndyJS said:It's going to be tight in the final round, to state the obvious.
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Let’s hope so many Boris supporters decide to use their last vote tactically that Boris comes in third....0
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They have six or seven nominally Labour MPs who usually vote for them. Kate Hoey isn't a Labour MP who votes Leave, she's a Leave MP who sits next to Labour...Mysticrose said:
In which case, the new leader has no working majority in the House of Commons even with the DUP.IanB2 said:I reckon that’s two defections from the Tories nailed on.
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He failed to keep Hunt in second place in the result we've just had.MarqueeMark said:
Boris could afford to lend Hunt 50.....AndyJS said:It's going to be tight in the final round, to state the obvious.
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A currywurst seems as disgusting as a Hawaiian pizza.0
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They're going to rip each other to shreads. Even David Davis was run ragged on radio 4 this morning trying to justify Boris's profligacy in London. He was left saying £40 million was 'nothing'0
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If a VONC she would vote NC or be deselected. Either is possible.viewcode said:
They have six or seven nominally Labour MPs who usually vote for them. Kate Hoey isn't a Labour MP who votes Leave, she's a Leave MP who sits next to Labour...Mysticrose said:
In which case, the new leader has no working majority in the House of Commons even with the DUP.IanB2 said:I reckon that’s two defections from the Tories nailed on.
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But as Tory leader not prime minister and May remains in place until a new government can command a majority so maybe those October bets look good!Sean_F said:
Boris Johnson would lead the Conservative Party into the ensuing general election.nichomar said:What happens if they are no confidence next week? Is the vote in the government or the PM ? Who would lead the Tory party if corbyn can’t form a majority?
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"Almost" is doing a lot of heavy lifting there...IanB2 said:
I encountered my first in Vienna, and remember staying on to see if I got turned upside down as it went over the top. Almost a disappointment it didn’t happen.viewcode said:
I hate paternosters. They're an amputation waiting to happen. Although interestingly if you stay on them you don't get crushed at the bottom, you move sideways.Nigelb said:
You could check out the paternoster lift in the town hall...
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/aug/14/elevator-germans-loopy-revolving-lifts-paternosters
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Dear God, the stupid prat for SKY still trying to plug the manipulation of proxies angle. Again, gets shot down.....0
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It's the fact that there are Conservative MPs so alienated from the process that they can't pick from the remaining four candidates. That does not bode well for party discipline.TheScreamingEagles said:
Greening, Lee, and Grieve?AlastairMeeks said:If I were Boris Johnson I'd worry about those spoiled ballot papers.
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Sliced and added to a Hawaiian pizza you say? Well why not.TheScreamingEagles said:A currywurst seems as disgusting as a Hawaiian pizza.
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That round wasn't important in the scheme of things.AndyJS said:
He failed to keep Hunt in second place in the result we've just had.MarqueeMark said:
Boris could afford to lend Hunt 50.....AndyJS said:It's going to be tight in the final round, to state the obvious.
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Andrew Neil is absolutely must watch. Mordaunt latest/current casualty.
"Your party has gone bonkers; it thinks Brexit is more important than the Union."0 -
Polls open in an hour and a half0
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Brexit is more important than the union.TOPPING said:Andrew Neil is absolutely must watch. Mordaunt latest/current casualty.
"Your party has gone bonkers; it thinks Brexit is more important than the Union."0 -
If you believe Sky, all the vote rigging has already been done ;-)IanB2 said:Polls open in an hour and a half
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Oh God yes.Sean_F said:
That would probably be for the best. This Parliament has run its course.Philip_Thompson said:
Time for an election then. Clear out the deadwood.Mysticrose said:
In which case, the new leader has no working majority in the House of Commons even with the DUP.0 -
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Anyone who feels that alienated that they can't vote for any of the FOUR candidates remaining (two leavers and two remainers FWIW) should resign the whip.AlastairMeeks said:
It's the fact that there are Conservative MPs so alienated from the process that they can't pick from the remaining four candidates. That does not bode well for party discipline.TheScreamingEagles said:
Greening, Lee, and Grieve?AlastairMeeks said:If I were Boris Johnson I'd worry about those spoiled ballot papers.
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Since Andrew Neil has for a long time been a fervent Leave advocate, if he has suddenly found his own cherished belief system under attack from the beast that he has fed, he should take a long hard look in the mirror as to how that might have come to pass.TOPPING said:Andrew Neil is absolutely must watch. Mordaunt latest/current casualty.
"Your party has gone bonkers; it thinks Brexit is more important than the Union."
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I don't know.Mysticrose said:So this afternoon Johnson's supporters will have their revenge on Gove.
Things could turn very very nasty during the final two if Michael Gove and Sarah Vine decide to bite back.
Firstly, it's a really, really bad time to be making enemies into even worse enemies. Johnson is going to need all those MPs' votes (as Alistair says, the spoiled ballots are a big concern). This is also the final round - over 50% for Johnson is a nice figure to trumpet. So I'm not sure there will be sizeable tactical voting from the Johnson camp.
Secondly, as happened with Stewart and Javid dropping back when they dropped out, there is some sense of "well done, old chap, but your race is run and I'm moving on". Hunt is at risk of losing people who feel Gove has won out amongst those who remained loyal to May, so let's give him every chance with a decent final round.0 -
And there you have it. Absolutely fucking psychotically certifiable lunatic.Philip_Thompson said:
Brexit is more important than the union.TOPPING said:Andrew Neil is absolutely must watch. Mordaunt latest/current casualty.
"Your party has gone bonkers; it thinks Brexit is more important than the Union."0 -
I tried one once and it was foul, and usually smothered in gloopy ketchup. I tried it again in a different place and it was worse. It is a favourite of our teutonic cousins though for some reason.TheScreamingEagles said:A currywurst seems as disgusting as a Hawaiian pizza.
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Rees-Mogg on Sky says 'Michael is one the politest men in politics' says no fear from him as a Boris backer whether he faces Michael Gove or Jeremy Hunt.
'Boris does not bear grudges'0 -
I bloody love currywurst. Well worth the £5 it costs for a tiny portion at the Newcastle Christmas Market...0
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But he won’t, because it’d be too obvious and risk giving Hunt momentum and undermining his overwhelming mandate.MarqueeMark said:
Boris could afford to lend Hunt 50.....AndyJS said:It's going to be tight in the final round, to state the obvious.
He’ll go up, but just not quite as much as expected and just enough for dirty tactics to be plausibly deniable.
I reckon he can horse around with a maximum of a dozen votes.0 -
I backed YES in 2014. So why is it lunatic to not desperately want to cling to the union now?TOPPING said:
And there you have it. Absolutely fucking psychotically certifiable lunatic.Philip_Thompson said:
Brexit is more important than the union.TOPPING said:Andrew Neil is absolutely must watch. Mordaunt latest/current casualty.
"Your party has gone bonkers; it thinks Brexit is more important than the Union."
Are malcolmg and his fellow Nats lunatics too?0 -
I believe British soldiers are to blame.Foxy said:
I tried one once and it was foul, and usually smothered in gloopy ketchup. I tried it again in a different place and it was worse. It is a favourite of our teutonic cousins though for some reason.TheScreamingEagles said:A currywurst seems as disgusting as a Hawaiian pizza.
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If Hunt gets knocked out tonight, I wonder if we'll get any Tory MP resigning from the party?0
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Looking ahead a Gove/Johnson contest would be brilliant for the Lib Dems. Two more hateful politicians don't exist for Remainers (other civilised people are available) and watching them take chunks out of each other for a month would be an extraordinary piece of good fortune.0
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Surely it is the Englexit not Brexit then?Philip_Thompson said:
Brexit is more important than the union.TOPPING said:Andrew Neil is absolutely must watch. Mordaunt latest/current casualty.
"Your party has gone bonkers; it thinks Brexit is more important than the Union."0 -
Gove will sharpen up Boris' answers so he is ready to take on Barnier, Corbyn, Farage, Sturgeon and Swinson or DaveyRoger said:They're going to rip each other to shreads. Even David Davis was run ragged on radio 4 this morning trying to justify Boris's profligacy in London. He was left saying £40 million was 'nothing'
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Quite. The fact that 2 colleagues would do that rather than influence the race is ominous.AlastairMeeks said:If I were Boris Johnson I'd worry about those spoiled ballot papers.
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Presumably got the huns to eat it with cold steel...IanB2 said:
I believe British soldiers are to blame.Foxy said:
I tried one once and it was foul, and usually smothered in gloopy ketchup. I tried it again in a different place and it was worse. It is a favourite of our teutonic cousins though for some reason.TheScreamingEagles said:A currywurst seems as disgusting as a Hawaiian pizza.
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Lay Boris as next PM. Worthwhile as a trading bet in case there’s a wobble during the hustings. And an outside chance of cashing in if the Tory majority goes.tpfkar said:
Quite. The fact that 2 colleagues would do that rather than influence the race is ominous.AlastairMeeks said:If I were Boris Johnson I'd worry about those spoiled ballot papers.
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Well no as well the English and Welsh were brave enough to go for independence in 2016 the Scots were too frit in 2014 sadly. Shame but there we have it.Foxy said:
Surely it is the Englexit not Brexit then?Philip_Thompson said:
Brexit is more important than the union.TOPPING said:Andrew Neil is absolutely must watch. Mordaunt latest/current casualty.
"Your party has gone bonkers; it thinks Brexit is more important than the Union."0 -
Fair enough, will be a good contestBig_G_NorthWales said:
I agree and Gove will have two votes in our householdHYUFD said:I now hope it is a Boris v Gove contest, as it would be as it stands now, no more Remainers to deliver Brexit we need a Leaver and who better than the 2 frontmen of Vote Leave?
I would vote for Boris and he is more electable but Gove has the intellect to ensure Boris is really tested over the campaign and that is what we need0 -
Bloody hell.Philip_Thompson said:
Well no as well the English and Welsh were brave enough to go for independence in 2016 the Scots were too frit in 2014 sadly. Shame but there we have it.Foxy said:
Surely it is the Englexit not Brexit then?Philip_Thompson said:
Brexit is more important than the union.TOPPING said:Andrew Neil is absolutely must watch. Mordaunt latest/current casualty.
"Your party has gone bonkers; it thinks Brexit is more important than the Union."0 -
Is this news to you that Scots were too frit in 2014?Gallowgate said:
Bloody hell.Philip_Thompson said:
Well no as well the English and Welsh were brave enough to go for independence in 2016 the Scots were too frit in 2014 sadly. Shame but there we have it.Foxy said:
Surely it is the Englexit not Brexit then?Philip_Thompson said:
Brexit is more important than the union.TOPPING said:Andrew Neil is absolutely must watch. Mordaunt latest/current casualty.
"Your party has gone bonkers; it thinks Brexit is more important than the Union."
Or while 45% of Scots wanted to end the union is it news to you that some in England feel exactly the same?0 -
Bye bye majorityPhilip_Thompson said:
Anyone who feels that alienated that they can't vote for any of the FOUR candidates remaining (two leavers and two remainers FWIW) should resign the whip.AlastairMeeks said:
It's the fact that there are Conservative MPs so alienated from the process that they can't pick from the remaining four candidates. That does not bode well for party discipline.TheScreamingEagles said:
Greening, Lee, and Grieve?AlastairMeeks said:If I were Boris Johnson I'd worry about those spoiled ballot papers.
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The Brexit Party were second in Scotland in the European Parliament elections, it may not be a forced choice anyway, you could deliver Brexit and still have the UnionPhilip_Thompson said:
Brexit is more important than the union.TOPPING said:Andrew Neil is absolutely must watch. Mordaunt latest/current casualty.
"Your party has gone bonkers; it thinks Brexit is more important than the Union."0 -
The majority view of your fellow Tory members is what it is.TOPPING said:
And there you have it. Absolutely fucking psychotically certifiable lunatic.Philip_Thompson said:
Brexit is more important than the union.TOPPING said:Andrew Neil is absolutely must watch. Mordaunt latest/current casualty.
"Your party has gone bonkers; it thinks Brexit is more important than the Union."0 -
Hello election with all defections replaced as candidates.eek said:
Bye bye majorityPhilip_Thompson said:
Anyone who feels that alienated that they can't vote for any of the FOUR candidates remaining (two leavers and two remainers FWIW) should resign the whip.AlastairMeeks said:
It's the fact that there are Conservative MPs so alienated from the process that they can't pick from the remaining four candidates. That does not bode well for party discipline.TheScreamingEagles said:
Greening, Lee, and Grieve?AlastairMeeks said:If I were Boris Johnson I'd worry about those spoiled ballot papers.
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It's just incredibly insulting to a whole group of our fellow citizens. Grim.Philip_Thompson said:
Is this news to you that Scots were too frit in 2014?Gallowgate said:
Bloody hell.Philip_Thompson said:
Well no as well the English and Welsh were brave enough to go for independence in 2016 the Scots were too frit in 2014 sadly. Shame but there we have it.Foxy said:
Surely it is the Englexit not Brexit then?Philip_Thompson said:
Brexit is more important than the union.TOPPING said:Andrew Neil is absolutely must watch. Mordaunt latest/current casualty.
"Your party has gone bonkers; it thinks Brexit is more important than the Union."
Or while 45% of Scots wanted to end the union is it news to you that some in England feel exactly the same?0 -
You're too generous. It's England-But-Not-The-Cities-Nor-The-Wealthy-Bits-xit. Brexit is, after all, more important than Æthelstan’s union of the Anglo-Saxon kingdoms.Foxy said:
Surely it is the Englexit not Brexit then?Philip_Thompson said:
Brexit is more important than the union.TOPPING said:Andrew Neil is absolutely must watch. Mordaunt latest/current casualty.
"Your party has gone bonkers; it thinks Brexit is more important than the Union."
So I'm absolutely delighted to see Philip come round to the idea that those of us in the cities and the wealthy bits should secede from Barnsley and Great Yarmouth and thereby stay in the EU, because I've been advocating that for a long while.0 -
Nah. He is a good journalist. If I asked you, for your day job, to skewer a Remainer you would have no problem in doing so and in picking holes in the Remain argument.AlastairMeeks said:
Since Andrew Neil has for a long time been a fervent Leave advocate, if he has suddenly found his own cherished belief system under attack from the beast that he has fed, he should take a long hard look in the mirror as to how that might have come to pass.TOPPING said:Andrew Neil is absolutely must watch. Mordaunt latest/current casualty.
"Your party has gone bonkers; it thinks Brexit is more important than the Union."
I have often thought that it would be fun, here on PB, to have a day when everyone argues the reverse of what they believe.0 -
No. It's just you.Philip_Thompson said:
I backed YES in 2014. So why is it lunatic to not desperately want to cling to the union now?TOPPING said:
And there you have it. Absolutely fucking psychotically certifiable lunatic.Philip_Thompson said:
Brexit is more important than the union.TOPPING said:Andrew Neil is absolutely must watch. Mordaunt latest/current casualty.
"Your party has gone bonkers; it thinks Brexit is more important than the Union."
Are malcolmg and his fellow Nats lunatics too?0 -
Not to me it’s not.Philip_Thompson said:
Brexit is more important than the union.TOPPING said:Andrew Neil is absolutely must watch. Mordaunt latest/current casualty.
"Your party has gone bonkers; it thinks Brexit is more important than the Union."
By definition, it ceases to become Brexit if the Union is lost.0 -
It is always smothered in gloopy ketchup, that's the curry part. But I wouldn't claim it is a "favourite" of Berliners. It's more of a marmite thing.Foxy said:
I tried one once and it was foul, and usually smothered in gloopy ketchup. I tried it again in a different place and it was worse. It is a favourite of our teutonic cousins though for some reason.TheScreamingEagles said:A currywurst seems as disgusting as a Hawaiian pizza.
BTW. Please don't call Berliners Teutonic Cousins.
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