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  • Phukov
    Phukov Posts: 132
    Byronic said:

    Phukov said:

    Scott_P said:
    Good for Boris.

    This is like those complaining about Cameron not halting Lisbon when he took over after it was ratified. Neither Cameron nor Boris own a Tardis.
    I though all we needed to do was believe hard enough to achieve something? Isn't that the central lesson that Brexiturds want us to learn? Confused now.
    "Brexiturds" is really ugly, and unpleasant, and, worst of all, won't be taken up by anyone else, making you look idiotic and mad.
    Alright then. We'll agree to call them "massive twats".
  • Byronic
    Byronic Posts: 3,578
    Phukov said:

    Byronic said:

    Phukov said:

    Scott_P said:
    Good for Boris.

    This is like those complaining about Cameron not halting Lisbon when he took over after it was ratified. Neither Cameron nor Boris own a Tardis.
    I though all we needed to do was believe hard enough to achieve something? Isn't that the central lesson that Brexiturds want us to learn? Confused now.
    "Brexiturds" is really ugly, and unpleasant, and, worst of all, won't be taken up by anyone else, making you look idiotic and mad.
    Alright then. We'll agree to call them "massive twats".
    Yes. That's better.
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Starting to wonder whether both Hunt and Gove will do worse than expected.
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395

    Byronic said:

    Byronic said:

    Phukov said:

    Byronic said:

    DavidL said:

    I could do with a Rory elimination today.

    Gove +29
    Javid +27
    Boris +5
    Hunt +1
    Raab +1
    Stewart -10

    I just fear that the debate tonight is going to be such an anti-climax if Rory is not in it.
    Agreed, won't bother watching if he's out.
    Gove versus Boris might be fun. Gove must be fuming about the cocaine story.
    Wonder whether Gove has a story about Boris to plant in the press? Nothing so far, but he could be keeping his powder dry cards close to his chest.
    Yes, that was my vague line of thinking. Gove is leaving it perilously late, if that is the case, however. His powder dampens in the summer drizzle.
    It could be that Gove is the shock casualty this afternoon.

    Remember: he only had 37 votes in the first round.
    His performance in the C4 debate was dismal. The audience openly laughed at him, when he claimed he would "terrify" Corbyn. I would not be remotely surprised if he went out this time around.
    Gove is 50/1 in Shadsy's fewest votes market.
    I've got £2 on Betfair on that at 85s.
    It is possible to bet on Gove getting knocked out tonight without necessarily coming bottom?
  • JosiasJessop
    JosiasJessop Posts: 46,251

    Scott_P said:
    Good for Boris.

    This is like those complaining about Cameron not halting Lisbon when he took over after it was ratified. Neither Cameron nor Boris own a Tardis.
    That's a poor comparison. Halting the Lisbon Treaty after it had been signed would have involved negotiating and pi**ing off all the other EU nations as it was very much a shared external treaty. Whilst I can understand how you'd like that, it wasn't a goer.

    Whereas Heathrow R3 is fully within our own remit. If he wanted to stop it as PM, he could make it government policy to scrap it (probably in favour of a new grand scheme such as Boris Island) and hold a vote in the Commons. Some penalties may need to be paid, though.

    AFAICR he's also against HS2. It'll be interesting to see if he says he cannot stop that project, given it is much further into development and construction.
  • Andrew
    Andrew Posts: 2,900
    AndyJS said:

    Starting to wonder whether both Hunt and Gove will do worse than expected.

    Hunt seems to have fatally undermined himself by doing nothing at all.

    The "low energy" jibes from the Boris camp are pure Trump, but they kinda strike home (especially contrasted to Rory).
  • Phukov
    Phukov Posts: 132
    Raab all the way out to 140 now.

    Someone's got it wrong, either the bettors or those speculating the ERG will flee to Raab.
  • Richard_Nabavi
    Richard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    Andrew said:

    AndyJS said:

    Starting to wonder whether both Hunt and Gove will do worse than expected.

    Hunt seems to have fatally undermined himself by doing nothing at all.

    The "low energy" jibes from the Boris camp are pure Trump, but they kinda strike home (especially contrasted to Rory).
    True, but Boris hasn't exactly been rushing around making his case either.
  • Ishmael_Z
    Ishmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    kinabalu said:

    DavidL said:

    Orwell really was brilliant. My favourite equivalent is whoever you vote for the government always gets in.

    And on pigs they are generally thought to be quite intelligent. You may be on to something.

    Yes, the consensus on here is that pigs are brain boxes who do not like to put the work in. The case that we are about to have one as PM is becoming unanswerable.

    There is some truth in the "all the same" sentiment - trouble is, it does feed that sterile, knee jerk cynicism about politics and politicians which is IMO misplaced and unhealthy.

    On the whole, I respect politicians. Or to be more precise, there are many other professions that I hold in lower esteem than theirs.

    Investment banking, for example. My old stamping ground.
    All this stuff about Boris being lazy. I am myself profoundly lazy (excellent Ken Bruce gag: I am a recovering workaholic, I've been clean these 40 years) and the most obvious manifestation of that laziness is the amount of time I spend on PB. I would invite Boris's critics to consider how well qualified they are to criticise, and whether they have written as many books as Boris has in his spare time, and whether they realise what fecking hard work it is writing books - even short, bad ones.
  • Phukov
    Phukov Posts: 132
    Andrew said:

    AndyJS said:

    Starting to wonder whether both Hunt and Gove will do worse than expected.

    Hunt seems to have fatally undermined himself by doing nothing at all.

    The "low energy" jibes from the Boris camp are pure Trump, but they kinda strike home (especially contrasted to Rory).
    What's weird is that it's no different from what Brexiturd Boris is doing. You don't get lower energy than hiding behind the sofa.
  • Morris_Dancer
    Morris_Dancer Posts: 62,742
    Mr. Z, I'm not sure writing books proves much, to be honest.
  • Nigel_Foremain
    Nigel_Foremain Posts: 14,851
    Byronic said:

    Phukov said:

    Scott_P said:
    Good for Boris.

    This is like those complaining about Cameron not halting Lisbon when he took over after it was ratified. Neither Cameron nor Boris own a Tardis.
    I though all we needed to do was believe hard enough to achieve something? Isn't that the central lesson that Brexiturds want us to learn? Confused now.
    "Brexiturds" is really ugly, and unpleasant, and, worst of all, won't be taken up by anyone else, making you look idiotic and mad.
    I think it is quite good! Vaguely amusing. Brexiters are very easy to mock though. Brexiteer or Brexiter will eventually become a pejorative term when history looks back at how dumb the whole venture was. Someone susceptible to bullshit will be mocked, not as a gullible fool, but as a brexiter. "Oh you dumbass brexiter, you've fallen for it again!" To Brexit will be a verb, meaning to do something that is completely against logic and your own self interest. eg. "What an idiot, he brexited his whole fortune on that venture".
  • Byronic
    Byronic Posts: 3,578

    Scott_P said:
    Good for Boris.

    This is like those complaining about Cameron not halting Lisbon when he took over after it was ratified. Neither Cameron nor Boris own a Tardis.
    That's a poor comparison. Halting the Lisbon Treaty after it had been signed would have involved negotiating and pi**ing off all the other EU nations as it was very much a shared external treaty. Whilst I can understand how you'd like that, it wasn't a goer.

    Whereas Heathrow R3 is fully within our own remit. If he wanted to stop it as PM, he could make it government policy to scrap it (probably in favour of a new grand scheme such as Boris Island) and hold a vote in the Commons. Some penalties may need to be paid, though.

    AFAICR he's also against HS2. It'll be interesting to see if he says he cannot stop that project, given it is much further into development and construction.
    It's a fair question. I think the difference is that there is a remorseless emotional logic to LHR3, we can all see airports are crowded, we've been talking about it for 30 years, FFS just get on and build it now.

    HS2 appears much more speculative - and it seems outrageously expensive, to the layman.

    If Boris is gonna cancel anything it will be HS2, IMHO. Suddenly he has more money for other projects.

  • Byronic
    Byronic Posts: 3,578
    edited June 2019
    Duplicate Deleted.

  • DecrepitJohnL
    DecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    AndyJS said:

    Byronic said:

    Byronic said:

    Phukov said:

    Byronic said:

    DavidL said:

    I could do with a Rory elimination today.

    Gove +29
    Javid +27
    Boris +5
    Hunt +1
    Raab +1
    Stewart -10

    I just fear that the debate tonight is going to be such an anti-climax if Rory is not in it.
    Agreed, won't bother watching if he's out.
    Gove versus Boris might be fun. Gove must be fuming about the cocaine story.
    Wonder whether Gove has a story about Boris to plant in the press? Nothing so far, but he could be keeping his powder dry cards close to his chest.
    Yes, that was my vague line of thinking. Gove is leaving it perilously late, if that is the case, however. His powder dampens in the summer drizzle.
    It could be that Gove is the shock casualty this afternoon.

    Remember: he only had 37 votes in the first round.
    His performance in the C4 debate was dismal. The audience openly laughed at him, when he claimed he would "terrify" Corbyn. I would not be remotely surprised if he went out this time around.
    Gove is 50/1 in Shadsy's fewest votes market.
    I've got £2 on Betfair on that at 85s.
    It is possible to bet on Gove getting knocked out tonight without necessarily coming bottom?
    Not that I can see. Shadsy has 2/1 Rory not to be in the third ballot but not the equivalent bet for Gove, sfaict. You could ask for a price but the bookies will probably assume you are one of Rory's spy chums with a camera inside the ballot box.
  • Ishmael_Z
    Ishmael_Z Posts: 8,981

    Mr. Z, I'm not sure writing books proves much, to be honest.

    Diligence - unless they're ghost-written. But you are better qualified than I am to comment.
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    I'm taking Rory back to 0 in my book, I think he is just short but can see him tightening up if he makes it through. Someone is fibbing about how much backing they have right now.
  • Morris_Dancer
    Morris_Dancer Posts: 62,742
    Mr. Z, writing a book can be very enjoyable. I'd be more impressed if he proofread his own stuff, as that's pretty damned tedious and difficult.
  • TheWhiteRabbit
    TheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,455

    Scott_P said:
    Good for Boris.

    This is like those complaining about Cameron not halting Lisbon when he took over after it was ratified. Neither Cameron nor Boris own a Tardis.
    That's a poor comparison. Halting the Lisbon Treaty after it had been signed would have involved negotiating and pi**ing off all the other EU nations as it was very much a shared external treaty. Whilst I can understand how you'd like that, it wasn't a goer.

    Whereas Heathrow R3 is fully within our own remit. If he wanted to stop it as PM, he could make it government policy to scrap it (probably in favour of a new grand scheme such as Boris Island) and hold a vote in the Commons. Some penalties may need to be paid, though.

    AFAICR he's also against HS2. It'll be interesting to see if he says he cannot stop that project, given it is much further into development and construction.
    LHR3 is fully committed, although its necessary surface access (i.e. transport) schemes are not. Of course the government can u-turn on even a fully committed plan, but not without consequence.
  • Phukov
    Phukov Posts: 132
    Byronic said:


    HS2 appears much more speculative - and it seems outrageously expensive, to the layman.

    What's behind the high cost, do you know? Is is driven much by land purchase?
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    Pulpstar said:

    I'm taking Rory back to 0 in my book, I think he is just short but can see him tightening up if he makes it through. Someone is fibbing about how much backing they have right now.

    Bottled it ;-)
  • Charles
    Charles Posts: 35,758
    Pulpstar said:

    I'm taking Rory back to 0 in my book, I think he is just short but can see him tightening up if he makes it through. Someone is fibbing about how much backing they have right now.

    I think Rory is. He's playing the classic "it's really close" game. That's either true, or he thinks it's in the bag.

    I wonder whether Saj is so confident because Boris lent him some votes...because if he went home surely a lot of his votes would go to Rory...
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    Phukov said:

    Raab all the way out to 140 now.

    Someone's got it wrong, either the bettors or those speculating the ERG will flee to Raab.

    They are tiny stakes in a £6m market.

    I wouldn't reach much into it.
  • Byronic
    Byronic Posts: 3,578
    edited June 2019
    Phukov said:

    Byronic said:


    HS2 appears much more speculative - and it seems outrageously expensive, to the layman.

    What's behind the high cost, do you know? Is is driven much by land purchase?
    I'm sure there are experts here that can tell you the deets. I'd guess it's the complex civil engineering in London plus, yes, pricey land all the way to Brum.
  • Tissue_Price
    Tissue_Price Posts: 9,039

    Mr. Z, writing a book can be very enjoyable. I'd be more impressed if he proofread his own stuff, as that's pretty damned tedious and difficult.

    It's good to still have an author on here.
  • Chris
    Chris Posts: 12,059
    Pulpstar said:

    I'm taking Rory back to 0 in my book, I think he is just short but can see him tightening up if he makes it through. Someone is fibbing about how much backing they have right now.

    Fibbing that you're just short of the mark is quite a well established ploy to encourage waverers, isn't it?
  • JosiasJessop
    JosiasJessop Posts: 46,251

    Scott_P said:
    Good for Boris.

    This is like those complaining about Cameron not halting Lisbon when he took over after it was ratified. Neither Cameron nor Boris own a Tardis.
    That's a poor comparison. Halting the Lisbon Treaty after it had been signed would have involved negotiating and pi**ing off all the other EU nations as it was very much a shared external treaty. Whilst I can understand how you'd like that, it wasn't a goer.

    Whereas Heathrow R3 is fully within our own remit. If he wanted to stop it as PM, he could make it government policy to scrap it (probably in favour of a new grand scheme such as Boris Island) and hold a vote in the Commons. Some penalties may need to be paid, though.

    AFAICR he's also against HS2. It'll be interesting to see if he says he cannot stop that project, given it is much further into development and construction.
    LHR3 is fully committed, although its necessary surface access (i.e. transport) schemes are not. Of course the government can u-turn on even a fully committed plan, but not without consequence.
    As I said, 'some penalties may need to be paid.'

    It is fully within the government's ability to decide not to go ahead with HR3 (I hope they don't, though).
  • TGOHF
    TGOHF Posts: 21,633
    The BBC debate will be a lot more entertaining if Rory is in it.

    For that reason only I hope he squeaks through.
  • Chris
    Chris Posts: 12,059
    Rory = Austin Powers
    Boris = Dr Evil
  • Byronic
    Byronic Posts: 3,578
    It has been raining here in London for about the last three hours solid.

    Cold, hard rain. Like late November. Wrist-slitting stuff.
  • Nigel_Foremain
    Nigel_Foremain Posts: 14,851
    Andrew said:

    AndyJS said:

    Starting to wonder whether both Hunt and Gove will do worse than expected.

    Hunt seems to have fatally undermined himself by doing nothing at all.

    The "low energy" jibes from the Boris camp are pure Trump, but they kinda strike home (especially contrasted to Rory).
    I would far prefer Hunt to Boris "fuck business" Johnson, but the reality is that Hunt has very little charisma. He is therefore unlikely to appeal to the electorate, either within the Party or without. Unless Rory pulls off a most unlikely coup I think we are stuck with Bozo.
  • Morris_Dancer
    Morris_Dancer Posts: 62,742
    Mr. Price, thanks. I forget who said it but the quote that writing being the only profession in which you can make no money and still be taken seriously.

    Leaving aside my own interests (*cough*buybooksbyThaddeusWhite*cough), I do have serious concerns at the difficult and worsening prospects for making money writing. Even £10,000 a year (far more than I make from it) is significantly above average, and piracy makes things very difficult.

    If this persists then we're going to have a tiny number of superstars, a few people doing well, and everyone else writing will be independently wealthy or doing it as a hobby. The talented average man simply won't be able to afford it, and we'll miss out on thousands of great books because the market is simply dysfunctional.

    [I am, incidentally, available for hire as a writer, whether creatively or factual, where I also have some experience].
  • Andrew
    Andrew Posts: 2,900
    The Saj out to 310 now. Sub 33?
  • El_Capitano
    El_Capitano Posts: 4,251
    Just read through Ed Davey's live Q&A with Mumsnet.

    Mein gott, they are absolutely obsessed with trans issues. Probably 70% of the comments were on that. Fair play to Davey, he stood his ground and answered "you're evidently not going to agree with me on this".
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813

    Pulpstar said:

    I'm taking Rory back to 0 in my book, I think he is just short but can see him tightening up if he makes it through. Someone is fibbing about how much backing they have right now.

    Bottled it ;-)
    Nah had him as a positive result actually. I've changed my mind a couple of times on him, which means he will probably get 33 votes and shorten to 9-1.
    He's not the same bank job Leadsom was at this point.
  • JackW
    JackW Posts: 14,787
    Come on Ken .... get those hush puppies on and amble down the corridor before poor old Rory has a fit of the vapours ....
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    Chris said:

    Pulpstar said:

    I'm taking Rory back to 0 in my book, I think he is just short but can see him tightening up if he makes it through. Someone is fibbing about how much backing they have right now.

    Fibbing that you're just short of the mark is quite a well established ploy to encourage waverers, isn't it?
    Leadsom said she was confident on the morning of he first vote too
  • Sean_F
    Sean_F Posts: 39,132
    When do we get the result?
  • Ishmael_Z
    Ishmael_Z Posts: 8,981

    Scott_P said:
    Good for Boris.

    This is like those complaining about Cameron not halting Lisbon when he took over after it was ratified. Neither Cameron nor Boris own a Tardis.
    That's a poor comparison. Halting the Lisbon Treaty after it had been signed would have involved negotiating and pi**ing off all the other EU nations as it was very much a shared external treaty. Whilst I can understand how you'd like that, it wasn't a goer.

    Whereas Heathrow R3 is fully within our own remit. If he wanted to stop it as PM, he could make it government policy to scrap it (probably in favour of a new grand scheme such as Boris Island) and hold a vote in the Commons. Some penalties may need to be paid, though.

    AFAICR he's also against HS2. It'll be interesting to see if he says he cannot stop that project, given it is much further into development and construction.
    LHR3 is fully committed, although its necessary surface access (i.e. transport) schemes are not. Of course the government can u-turn on even a fully committed plan, but not without consequence.
    As I said, 'some penalties may need to be paid.'

    It is fully within the government's ability to decide not to go ahead with HR3 (I hope they don't, though).
    Suggestion for an anti-HS2 campaign: Let's take all the money we were going to spend on HS2 and give it to the NHS.

    There are many candidates for the title of the worst thing David Cameron did to the country, but inventing or at least approving that fallacious sanctimonious general purpose drek of an argument in the AV campaign is a strong contender.
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    Andrew said:

    The Saj out to 310 now. Sub 33?

    Don't chase the market.
  • Chris
    Chris Posts: 12,059
    Chris said:

    Rory = Austin Powers
    Boris = Dr Evil

    Theresa May = Second exploding fembot
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    I'm taking Rory back to 0 in my book, I think he is just short but can see him tightening up if he makes it through. Someone is fibbing about how much backing they have right now.

    Bottled it ;-)
    Nah had him as a positive result actually. I've changed my mind a couple of times on him, which means he will probably get 33 votes and shorten to 9-1.
    He's not the same bank job Leadsom was at this point.
    Ah, I see.
  • Ishmael_Z
    Ishmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    Sean_F said:

    When do we get the result?

    6ish I think
  • rottenborough
    rottenborough Posts: 66,862
    https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1141002379338211328

    :lol: As predicted here on PB. This is going to be a clusterf**k that makes May's tenure looking balanced.
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited June 2019
    I'll do a final prediction at about 5:30pm, but I'd be amazed if I get it as accurate as last time. That was probably a fluke. 😊
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,609

    Just read through Ed Davey's live Q&A with Mumsnet.

    Mein gott, they are absolutely obsessed with trans issues. Probably 70% of the comments were on that. Fair play to Davey, he stood his ground and answered "you're evidently not going to agree with me on this".

    Dealing with the issues that matter!
  • Phukov
    Phukov Posts: 132

    Just read through Ed Davey's live Q&A with Mumsnet.

    Mein gott, they are absolutely obsessed with trans issues. Probably 70% of the comments were on that. Fair play to Davey, he stood his ground and answered "you're evidently not going to agree with me on this".

    Oh it's a massive issue in some circles. Scottish politics is churning with transbaiting right now. It's really depressing.
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Byronic said:

    It has been raining here in London for about the last three hours solid.

    Cold, hard rain. Like late November. Wrist-slitting stuff.

    Wasn't the weather like that in London on the day of the EU referendum?
  • DavidL
    DavidL Posts: 55,867
    AndyJS said:

    Byronic said:

    It has been raining here in London for about the last three hours solid.

    Cold, hard rain. Like late November. Wrist-slitting stuff.

    Wasn't the weather like that in London on the day of the EU referendum?
    Nah, that was just near Alastair.
  • kinabalu
    kinabalu Posts: 46,272
    RobD said:

    Meet the new boss, same as the old boss?

    “There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again.”
  • Animal_pb
    Animal_pb Posts: 608
    AndyJS said:

    Byronic said:

    It has been raining here in London for about the last three hours solid.

    Cold, hard rain. Like late November. Wrist-slitting stuff.

    Wasn't the weather like that in London on the day of the EU referendum?
    It was bright and sunny the morning after, though. :)
  • GIN1138
    GIN1138 Posts: 22,938

    https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1141002379338211328

    :lol: As predicted here on PB. This is going to be a clusterf**k that makes May's tenure looking balanced.

    Although 9/10 the opposite of Dan Hodges predictions happens... ;)
  • RobD
    RobD Posts: 60,609
    I assume MI6 will now do their part to keep their man in the game?
  • TGOHF
    TGOHF Posts: 21,633
    I wouldn't be backing Boris at 1.17 before this live debate.

  • kinabalu
    kinabalu Posts: 46,272
    edited June 2019
    Animal_pb said:

    Yeah. It really put his nose out of joint.

    Maybe so. But this thing was always going to Johnson. Gove never really had a sniff.
  • rottenborough
    rottenborough Posts: 66,862
    Ken has voted.
  • JackW
    JackW Posts: 14,787
    Sky News - Ken Clarke ambled up at the last minute to vote :smiley:
  • logical_song
    logical_song Posts: 10,082
    RobD said:

    Just read through Ed Davey's live Q&A with Mumsnet.

    Mein gott, they are absolutely obsessed with trans issues. Probably 70% of the comments were on that. Fair play to Davey, he stood his ground and answered "you're evidently not going to agree with me on this".

    Dealing with the issues that matter!
    Don't be so down on Mumsnet.
  • MikeL
    MikeL Posts: 7,809
    Williamson waiting for as full a picture as possible of the numbers before deciding who to vote for?
  • Phukov
    Phukov Posts: 132
    RobD said:

    I assume MI6 will now do their part to keep their man in the game?

    That would be MI5's job.
  • JosiasJessop
    JosiasJessop Posts: 46,251
    AndyJS said:
    As votes closed early, I assume that every Conservative MP voted?
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    Just laid a bit more Hunt at 22.
  • Charles
    Charles Posts: 35,758

    AndyJS said:
    As votes closed early, I assume that every Conservative MP voted?
    and a few pseudo-BXP MPs as well.
  • Phukov
    Phukov Posts: 132

    Just laid a bit more Hunt at 22.

    Better money in backing Boris
  • eek
    eek Posts: 30,707
    GIN1138 said:

    https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1141002379338211328

    :lol: As predicted here on PB. This is going to be a clusterf**k that makes May's tenure looking balanced.

    Although 9/10 the opposite of Dan Hodges predictions happens... ;)
    Which is why my major investment advice for the next 6 months is popcorn manufacturers...
  • theProle
    theProle Posts: 1,411
    Sean_F said:

    Human sacrifice is cheap at the price.
    Surely the question is "which humans". I'm not sure Olly Robins would be much missed...

    More to the point, what's the problem with the resurrection of the dead anyway? Surely that would be more like a Brexit bonus...
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395

    AndyJS said:
    As votes closed early, I assume that every Conservative MP voted?
    Yes, I expect that's correct.
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    Phukov said:

    Just laid a bit more Hunt at 22.

    Better money in backing Boris
    If Hunt underperforms I expect his price to fly out.

    I'm betting in anticipation of the Betfair market as much as anything else.
  • DavidL
    DavidL Posts: 55,867
    theProle said:

    Sean_F said:

    Human sacrifice is cheap at the price.
    Surely the question is "which humans". I'm not sure Olly Robins would be much missed...

    More to the point, what's the problem with the resurrection of the dead anyway? Surely that would be more like a Brexit bonus...
    Lots of Tory voters amongst those dead people. The living is more problematic.
  • kinabalu
    kinabalu Posts: 46,272
    Ishmael_Z said:

    All this stuff about Boris being lazy. I am myself profoundly lazy (excellent Ken Bruce gag: I am a recovering workaholic, I've been clean these 40 years) and the most obvious manifestation of that laziness is the amount of time I spend on PB. I would invite Boris's critics to consider how well qualified they are to criticise, and whether they have written as many books as Boris has in his spare time, and whether they realise what fecking hard work it is writing books - even short, bad ones.

    I sense (but do not know) that he is intellectually lazy as opposed to indolent.

    Yes, to write a book, a proper one, any book of say 30,000 words or more, takes a concerted effort of which probably the majority of people are not capable.

    I wrote one a few years ago and it wore me out. I could not write one now.
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    MikeL said:

    Williamson waiting for as full a picture as possible of the numbers before deciding who to vote for?

    Probably. Also, him voting last gives him an extra air of authority.
  • Nigelb
    Nigelb Posts: 79,356
    edited June 2019
    Ishmael_Z said:

    kinabalu said:

    DavidL said:

    Orwell really was brilliant. My favourite equivalent is whoever you vote for the government always gets in.

    And on pigs they are generally thought to be quite intelligent. You may be on to something.

    Yes, the consensus on here is that pigs are brain boxes who do not like to put the work in. The case that we are about to have one as PM is becoming unanswerable.

    There is some truth in the "all the same" sentiment - trouble is, it does feed that sterile, knee jerk cynicism about politics and politicians which is IMO misplaced and unhealthy.

    On the whole, I respect politicians. Or to be more precise, there are many other professions that I hold in lower esteem than theirs.

    Investment banking, for example. My old stamping ground.
    All this stuff about Boris being lazy. I am myself profoundly lazy (excellent Ken Bruce gag: I am a recovering workaholic, I've been clean these 40 years) and the most obvious manifestation of that laziness is the amount of time I spend on PB. I would invite Boris's critics to consider how well qualified they are to criticise, and whether they have written as many books as Boris has in his spare time, and whether they realise what fecking hard work it is writing books - even short, bad ones.
    Though not many of his critics have had the temerity to put themselves forward as Prime Minister...

    ... and I thought that Boris used his spare time to do his actual job ?

  • MikeL said:

    Williamson waiting for as full a picture as possible of the numbers before deciding who to vote for?

    Probably standing outside the room, whittling a pencil with a very sharp knife while muttering under his breath about the value of loyalty. A helpful reminder to colleagues as they walk past to vote.
  • Nigelb
    Nigelb Posts: 79,356

    MikeL said:

    Williamson waiting for as full a picture as possible of the numbers before deciding who to vote for?

    Probably. Also, him voting last gives him an extra air of authority.
    Extra ?
  • Cyclefree
    Cyclefree Posts: 25,709
    kinabalu said:

    Ishmael_Z said:

    All this stuff about Boris being lazy. I am myself profoundly lazy (excellent Ken Bruce gag: I am a recovering workaholic, I've been clean these 40 years) and the most obvious manifestation of that laziness is the amount of time I spend on PB. I would invite Boris's critics to consider how well qualified they are to criticise, and whether they have written as many books as Boris has in his spare time, and whether they realise what fecking hard work it is writing books - even short, bad ones.

    I sense (but do not know) that he is intellectually lazy as opposed to indolent.

    Yes, to write a book, a proper one, any book of say 30,000 words or more, takes a concerted effort of which probably the majority of people are not capable.

    I wrote one a few years ago and it wore me out. I could not write one now.
    You’re assuming that he did the actual writing and research himself. A literary agent and publisher friends of mine have some stories to tell about authors who do remarkably little actual writing.
  • Animal_pb
    Animal_pb Posts: 608
    theProle said:

    Sean_F said:

    Human sacrifice is cheap at the price.
    Surely the question is "which humans". I'm not sure Olly Robins would be much missed...

    More to the point, what's the problem with the resurrection of the dead anyway? Surely that would be more like a Brexit bonus...
    IHT nightmare.
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    Whatever happens just after 6pm I will regret not doing whatever would have given me the better result, which will look more obvious with hindsight.

    The gambler's curse.
  • Phukov
    Phukov Posts: 132
    Nigelb said:

    MikeL said:

    Williamson waiting for as full a picture as possible of the numbers before deciding who to vote for?

    Probably. Also, him voting last gives him an extra air of authority.
    Extra ?
    doubled
  • AndyJS
    AndyJS Posts: 29,395

    Whatever happens just after 6pm I will regret not doing whatever would have given me the better result, which will look more obvious with hindsight.

    The gambler's curse.

    That's true of all of us I think.
  • Philip_Thompson
    Philip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    I assume Boles, Soubry, Allen and Wollaston probably all would have voted Stewart.

    It would be amusing if Stewart gets 32 and eliminated by 1 that any of them could have given him. If none had quit he would be pretty certainly safe already.
  • DavidL
    DavidL Posts: 55,867
    Nigelb said:

    MikeL said:

    Williamson waiting for as full a picture as possible of the numbers before deciding who to vote for?

    Probably. Also, him voting last gives him an extra air of authority.
    Extra ?
    Authority?

    Could be one of the most depressing things about the new regime.
  • DavidL
    DavidL Posts: 55,867
    Right, I think I have time to get to my car because Tories count so slowly. The shades of Alec Douglas Hume and his matchsticks lives on.
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    AndyJS said:

    Whatever happens just after 6pm I will regret not doing whatever would have given me the better result, which will look more obvious with hindsight.

    The gambler's curse.

    That's true of all of us I think.
    No matter how many times I do this the bedwetting stage (now) doesn't get any easier.
  • Tissue_Price
    Tissue_Price Posts: 9,039
    DavidL said:

    Right, I think I have time to get to my car because Tories count so slowly. The shades of Alec Douglas Hume and his matchsticks lives on.

    They count at the pace required to hit the start of the news.
  • kinabalu
    kinabalu Posts: 46,272
    Cyclefree said:

    You’re assuming that he did the actual writing and research himself. A literary agent and publisher friends of mine have some stories to tell about authors who do remarkably little actual writing.

    Yes, I can imagine. If you can sell it on your name it must be tempting (if you are not in love with the creative process) to take a ride. Writing is quite an onerous activity. Even somebody with a lot of natural talent has to work hard to produce something which is both lengthy and genuinely good.
  • Phukov
    Phukov Posts: 132
    I'm praying for a 4-way tie for last place.
  • rottenborough
    rottenborough Posts: 66,862
    Javid coming in a bit.
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    Off topic, this would tend to lend more weight to Alastair's theory:

    https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1140994171483955200
  • Pulpstar
    Pulpstar Posts: 79,813
    Wonder who Gavin lent his vote to
  • dixiedean
    dixiedean Posts: 30,316
    Phukov said:

    I'm praying for a 4-way tie for last place.

    How about 5 tied on 32 each? That would be fitting.
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687
    Pulpstar said:

    Wonder who Gavin lent his vote to

    Hunt.
  • Phukov
    Phukov Posts: 132
    dixiedean said:

    Phukov said:

    I'm praying for a 4-way tie for last place.

    How about 5 tied on 32 each? That would be fitting.
    Not even sure what would happen if they all had 34
  • Cyclefree said:



    You’re assuming that he did the actual writing and research himself. A literary agent and publisher friends of mine have some stories to tell about authors who do remarkably little actual writing.

    I had dinner with a chap who claimed to have written much of Boris’ Churchill Factor Book. Don’t know how true it was, however, the individual in question was a historian and has published on Churchill.

    Who knows.
  • Casino_Royale
    Casino_Royale Posts: 63,687

    Javid coming in a bit.

    No-one is looking to back him at less than 1000 at the moment.
  • Peter_the_Punter
    Peter_the_Punter Posts: 14,779
    edited June 2019

    Cyclefree said:



    You’re assuming that he did the actual writing and research himself. A literary agent and publisher friends of mine have some stories to tell about authors who do remarkably little actual writing.

    I had dinner with a chap who claimed to have written much of Boris’ Churchill Factor Book. Don’t know how true it was, however, the individual in question was a historian and has published on Churchill.

    Who knows.
    Well if it was him I'm afraid he's neither a good writer nor a good historian.
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