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Benpointer said:
FFS - our hand was so strong that a nonentity like May could disrupt it? If only a true Leaver like Davis, Gove, Johnson or Leadsom had been in the cabinet!MarkHopkins said:AlastairMeeks said:
The Remainers are wondering what happened to “we hold all the cards”. Leavers are now snivelling about being bullied.MarkHopkins said:another_richard said:Doesn't suggest that all those tens of billions we've paid into the EU has done us much good then.
Perhaps we're better off out of a club where we have no mates ?
The EU are bullies and are abusing their existing (temporary) arrangements to try and take advantage of us. And still the remainers think they are the good guys.
I am beginning to understand why some leavers think proroguing parliament and hard brexit are the only options.
Leavers weren't expecting May to flush them down the toilet.
A true leaver like.... Gove?
Seriously?
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The snivelling self-pity from those who revelled in race-baiting and wonder why they couldn’t then unite the country behind them is remarkable.MarkHopkins said:AlastairMeeks said:
Of course. It’s never ever ever Leavers’ fault.MarkHopkins said:AlastairMeeks said:
The Remainers are wondering what happened to “we hold all the cards”. Leavers are now snivelling about being bullied.MarkHopkins said:another_richard said:Doesn't suggest that all those tens of billions we've paid into the EU has done us much good then.
Perhaps we're better off out of a club where we have no mates ?
The EU are bullies and are abusing their existing (temporary) arrangements to try and take advantage of us. And still the remainers think they are the good guys.
I am beginning to understand why some leavers think proroguing parliament and hard brexit are the only options.
Leavers weren't expecting May to flush them down the toilet.
Thank you for acknowledging that.0 -
So the head of Vote Leave isn't a true leaver?MarkHopkins said:Benpointer said:
FFS - our hand was so strong that a nonentity like May could disrupt it? If only a true Leaver like Davis, Gove, Johnson or Leadsom had been in the cabinet!MarkHopkins said:AlastairMeeks said:
The Remainers are wondering what happened to “we hold all the cards”. Leavers are now snivelling about being bullied.MarkHopkins said:another_richard said:Doesn't suggest that all those tens of billions we've paid into the EU has done us much good then.
Perhaps we're better off out of a club where we have no mates ?
The EU are bullies and are abusing their existing (temporary) arrangements to try and take advantage of us. And still the remainers think they are the good guys.
I am beginning to understand why some leavers think proroguing parliament and hard brexit are the only options.
Leavers weren't expecting May to flush them down the toilet.
A true leaver like.... Gove?
Seriously?
You lot really are a cult (sic)0 -
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AlastairMeeks said:
The snivelling self-pity from those who revelled in race-baiting and wonder why they couldn’t then unite the country behind them is remarkable.MarkHopkins said:AlastairMeeks said:
Of course. It’s never ever ever Leavers’ fault.MarkHopkins said:AlastairMeeks said:
The Remainers are wondering what happened to “we hold all the cards”. Leavers are now snivelling about being bullied.MarkHopkins said:another_richard said:Doesn't suggest that all those tens of billions we've paid into the EU has done us much good then.
Perhaps we're better off out of a club where we have no mates ?
The EU are bullies and are abusing their existing (temporary) arrangements to try and take advantage of us. And still the remainers think they are the good guys.
I am beginning to understand why some leavers think proroguing parliament and hard brexit are the only options.
Leavers weren't expecting May to flush them down the toilet.
Thank you for acknowledging that.
I remember your articles from 2016 telling us how 'xenophobic' leave was not going to win.
You were wrong then and wrong now.
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Following Gove's admission, SeanT has just nominated himself for Tory leader0
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You're saying the co-convener of Vote Leave was a closet Remainer?MarkHopkins said:Benpointer said:
FFS - our hand was so strong that a nonentity like May could disrupt it? If only a true Leaver like Davis, Gove, Johnson or Leadsom had been in the cabinet!MarkHopkins said:AlastairMeeks said:
The Remainers are wondering what happened to “we hold all the cards”. Leavers are now snivelling about being bullied.MarkHopkins said:another_richard said:Doesn't suggest that all those tens of billions we've paid into the EU has done us much good then.
Perhaps we're better off out of a club where we have no mates ?
The EU are bullies and are abusing their existing (temporary) arrangements to try and take advantage of us. And still the remainers think they are the good guys.
I am beginning to understand why some leavers think proroguing parliament and hard brexit are the only options.
Leavers weren't expecting May to flush them down the toilet.
A true leaver like.... Gove?
Seriously?0 -
Gives me an excuse to post this from an EDL march.ydoethur said:
Are you suggesting they are lion about their sexuality?TheScreamingEagles said:
The people organising/attending the Straight Pride are so deep in the closet they are having adventures in Narnia.Pulpstar said:Straight Pride's first homosexual ally !
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/jun/8/milo-yiannopoulos-named-grand-marshal-of-proposed-/
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I’d prefer a thread about him slagging off the future monarch.Scott_P said:
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TheScreamingEagles said:
So the head of Vote Leave isn't a true leaver?MarkHopkins said:Benpointer said:
FFS - our hand was so strong that a nonentity like May could disrupt it? If only a true Leaver like Davis, Gove, Johnson or Leadsom had been in the cabinet!MarkHopkins said:AlastairMeeks said:
The Remainers are wondering what happened to “we hold all the cards”. Leavers are now snivelling about being bullied.MarkHopkins said:another_richard said:Doesn't suggest that all those tens of billions we've paid into the EU has done us much good then.
Perhaps we're better off out of a club where we have no mates ?
The EU are bullies and are abusing their existing (temporary) arrangements to try and take advantage of us. And still the remainers think they are the good guys.
I am beginning to understand why some leavers think proroguing parliament and hard brexit are the only options.
Leavers weren't expecting May to flush them down the toilet.
A true leaver like.... Gove?
Seriously?
You lot really are a cult (sic)
At least Leavers believe in democracy.
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Me too - I was lured in to Glenfarclas.ydoethur said:
Eight and a half years and the most exciting thing I was offered was a single malt.viewcode said:
I have spent more time in an university than most and I think I've never been offered them . In my limited experience, older people and people with STEM degrees just don't use them.noneoftheabove said:Out of interest what is the social background of the people who have never been offered drugs? I find it hard to believe many of them can have been at university or grown up in a city.
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They are all worshippers of the White Witch?TheScreamingEagles said:
Gives me an excuse to post this from an EDL march.ydoethur said:
Are you suggesting they are lion about their sexuality?TheScreamingEagles said:
The people organising/attending the Straight Pride are so deep in the closet they are having adventures in Narnia.Pulpstar said:Straight Pride's first homosexual ally !
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/jun/8/milo-yiannopoulos-named-grand-marshal-of-proposed-/
And I thought self-identified Jedi were a bit weird....0 -
Labour might expect a miniboost from holding Peterborough with a slightly increased majority. The result was also a 4% swing from Con to Lab compared with 2017.HYUFD said:
The final YouGov for the Euro elections had Labour on 13% and the Tories on 7%.justin124 said:
Yougov was the only pollster to underestimate Labour for the EU elections - and the data is 10 days old now.HYUFD said:
Nope, Boris has a 7% lead over Labour and the LDs even with Nigel, with the Brexit Party falling back to just 13% from 20%+ noweek said:
Boris only wins if Nigel doesn't stand and there is zero chance of him not standing candidates...HYUFD said:
Boris wins it comfortably, he gets a mandate for a GB FTA which is what most voters wantkle4 said:
And somehow Boris wins that. Right. (A GE because he failed is not the same as a hypothetical poll saying he has a chance)Sandpit said:
How does that ever pass Parliament? If they can’t amend the backstop to get the DUP on board then the only way out is going to be a new Parliament - so we get an election in the autumn.HYUFD said:
Far from it, indeed Boris will go f voters wantSouthamObserver said:
He would happily destroy the Union and dump all over the people of Northern Ireland to secure power. Just like all the other Tory leadership candidates with a chance of winning. He is a hard core English nationalist.HYUFD said:
Boris actually is more of a 'global vision' Brexiteer rather than the English nationalism of say Farage or Bill CashSouthamObserver said:rottenborough said:
You say that. But if the replacement is a wild set of bat-shit crazy loons who don't believe in parliamentary democracy but whacko voice of the public ideas, then the country is even more f-ed than I thought.SouthamObserver said:If the Conservative and Unionist Party wishes to destroy itself it would be rude to stop it from doing so.
Things just seem to be getting worse and worse.
I wonder what the Queen thinks of what is being done to her realm.
https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1136006739864825858?s=20
So while close to the final result YouGov actually underestimated the Tories more than it underestimated Labour given Labour got 14% and the Tories got 9%
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/05/22/european-parliament-voting-intention-brex-37-lab-10 -
More Leave hysteria .MarkHopkins said:another_richard said:Doesn't suggest that all those tens of billions we've paid into the EU has done us much good then.
Perhaps we're better off out of a club where we have no mates ?
The EU are bullies and are abusing their existing (temporary) arrangements to try and take advantage of us. And still the remainers think they are the good guys.
I am beginning to understand why some leavers think proroguing parliament and hard brexit are the only options.
Whining about being bullied is not a good look . It implies an acceptance that the UK is the weaker partner with the smaller economy which just happens to be true !
Will you also be whining about the USA and Trump when they also bully the UK !
Size matters ! It’s basic common sense and logic which admittedly seems in short supply for some Leavers .
The UK is leaving the biggest trading block in the world , indeed no country in history has ever embarked on a course of action that removes it from its biggest trading partners .
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It isn't democracy to campaign saying No Deal is Project Fear then turn around and say No Deal is the only true Brexit.MarkHopkins said:TheScreamingEagles said:
So the head of Vote Leave isn't a true leaver?MarkHopkins said:Benpointer said:
FFS - our hand was so strong that a nonentity like May could disrupt it? If only a true Leaver like Davis, Gove, Johnson or Leadsom had been in the cabinet!MarkHopkins said:AlastairMeeks said:
The Remainers are wondering what happened to “we hold all the cards”. Leavers are now snivelling about being bullied.MarkHopkins said:another_richard said:Doesn't suggest that all those tens of billions we've paid into the EU has done us much good then.
Perhaps we're better off out of a club where we have no mates ?
The EU are bullies and are abusing their existing (temporary) arrangements to try and take advantage of us. And still the remainers think they are the good guys.
I am beginning to understand why some leavers think proroguing parliament and hard brexit are the only options.
Leavers weren't expecting May to flush them down the toilet.
A true leaver like.... Gove?
Seriously?
You lot really are a cult (sic)
At least Leavers believe in democracy.0 -
In fairness, unlike Boris and the European Remainers Group he repeatedly voted for the Withdrawal Agreement.Benpointer said:
You're saying the co-convener of Vote Leave was a closet Remainer?MarkHopkins said:Benpointer said:
FFS - our hand was so strong that a nonentity like May could disrupt it? If only a true Leaver like Davis, Gove, Johnson or Leadsom had been in the cabinet!MarkHopkins said:AlastairMeeks said:
The Remainers are wondering what happened to “we hold all the cards”. Leavers are now snivelling about being bullied.MarkHopkins said:another_richard said:Doesn't suggest that all those tens of billions we've paid into the EU has done us much good then.
Perhaps we're better off out of a club where we have no mates ?
The EU are bullies and are abusing their existing (temporary) arrangements to try and take advantage of us. And still the remainers think they are the good guys.
I am beginning to understand why some leavers think proroguing parliament and hard brexit are the only options.
Leavers weren't expecting May to flush them down the toilet.
A true leaver like.... Gove?
Seriously?0 -
TheScreamingEagles said:
Gives me an excuse to post this from an EDL march.ydoethur said:
Are you suggesting they are lion about their sexuality?TheScreamingEagles said:
The people organising/attending the Straight Pride are so deep in the closet they are having adventures in Narnia.Pulpstar said:Straight Pride's first homosexual ally !
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/jun/8/milo-yiannopoulos-named-grand-marshal-of-proposed-/
Since Aslan represents Jesus in the Narnia books, he may just have been an atheist...
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Benpointer said:
You're saying the co-convener of Vote Leave was a closet Remainer?MarkHopkins said:Benpointer said:
FFS - our hand was so strong that a nonentity like May could disrupt it? If only a true Leaver like Davis, Gove, Johnson or Leadsom had been in the cabinet!MarkHopkins said:AlastairMeeks said:
The Remainers are wondering what happened to “we hold all the cards”. Leavers are now snivelling about being bullied.MarkHopkins said:another_richard said:Doesn't suggest that all those tens of billions we've paid into the EU has done us much good then.
Perhaps we're better off out of a club where we have no mates ?
The EU are bullies and are abusing their existing (temporary) arrangements to try and take advantage of us. And still the remainers think they are the good guys.
I am beginning to understand why some leavers think proroguing parliament and hard brexit are the only options.
Leavers weren't expecting May to flush them down the toilet.
A true leaver like.... Gove?
Seriously?
Well, judging by this behaviour since then...
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Or he may have been stoned?MarkHopkins said:TheScreamingEagles said:
Gives me an excuse to post this from an EDL march.ydoethur said:
Are you suggesting they are lion about their sexuality?TheScreamingEagles said:
The people organising/attending the Straight Pride are so deep in the closet they are having adventures in Narnia.Pulpstar said:Straight Pride's first homosexual ally !
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/jun/8/milo-yiannopoulos-named-grand-marshal-of-proposed-/
Since Aslan represents Jesus in the Narnia books, he may just have been an atheist...0 -
Bullies claiming to be the victims of bullying seems to be a leitmotiv of modern English society. When did a once-proud nation become a bunch of whiners?AlastairMeeks said:
The snivelling self-pity from those who revelled in race-baiting and wonder why they couldn’t then unite the country behind them is remarkable.MarkHopkins said:AlastairMeeks said:
Of course. It’s never ever ever Leavers’ fault.MarkHopkins said:AlastairMeeks said:
The Remainers are wondering what happened to “we hold all the cards”. Leavers are now snivelling about being bullied.MarkHopkins said:another_richard said:Doesn't suggest that all those tens of billions we've paid into the EU has done us much good then.
Perhaps we're better off out of a club where we have no mates ?
The EU are bullies and are abusing their existing (temporary) arrangements to try and take advantage of us. And still the remainers think they are the good guys.
I am beginning to understand why some leavers think proroguing parliament and hard brexit are the only options.
Leavers weren't expecting May to flush them down the toilet.
Thank you for acknowledging that.0 -
I grew up in Copenhagen in the 60s and 70s and went to the local university and then to Birkbeck for my PhD. Never offered drugs or saw anyone obviously under the influence (but not sure I'd have known, really), though I remember a lecturer at a party comparing something to LSD and clearly assuming we'd know what LSD was like. Studied maths and mixed with a highly political circle - we saw the hippies of the time as self-indulgent wankers while we were busy changing the world. I take a more nuanced view nowadays (hey, having fun is OK too), but still haven't tried drugs.viewcode said:
I have spent more time in an university than most and I think I've never been offered them . In my limited experience, older people and people with STEM degrees just don't use them.noneoftheabove said:Out of interest what is the social background of the people who have never been offered drugs? I find it hard to believe many of them can have been at university or grown up in a city.
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The Declaration of Independence, 1776?nico67 said:
More Leave hysteria .MarkHopkins said:another_richard said:Doesn't suggest that all those tens of billions we've paid into the EU has done us much good then.
Perhaps we're better off out of a club where we have no mates ?
The EU are bullies and are abusing their existing (temporary) arrangements to try and take advantage of us. And still the remainers think they are the good guys.
I am beginning to understand why some leavers think proroguing parliament and hard brexit are the only options.
Whining about being bullied is not a good look . It implies an acceptance that the UK is the weaker partner with the smaller economy which just happens to be true !
Will you also be whining about the USA and Trump when they also bully the UK !
Size matters ! It’s basic common sense and logic which admittedly seems in short supply for some Leavers .
The UK is leaving the biggest trading block in the world , indeed no country in history has ever embarked on a course of action that removes it from its biggest trading partners .0 -
Andrea Leadsom has just ruined cannabis for so many people. On a more serious note, so much stupid shit is talked about drugs. Alcohol is a much more destructive drug than most of the stuff people tie themselves in knots about, and nobody has a more fucked up relationship with drink than MPs and the meejia. I have absolutely no problem with Michael Gove doing coke a few times. I do have a problem with him robbing my children of their right to live, love and work across a continent of 350 million people.3
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The SNP view of the UK is that it should grovel and be sniggered at.StuartDickson said:
It was you guys that stormed off in a huff. Not them.another_richard said:
Doesn't suggest that all those tens of billions we've paid into the EU has done us much good then.StuartDickson said:Mocking the Irish isn’t going to get the English anywhere. Nowadays they have lots of pals (27 to be exact) and England is Johnny No Mates.
Perhaps we're better off out of a club where we have no mates ?
I’m sure they’ll let you stay in the club if you get grovelling a bit, but don’t expect them to stop sniggering behind your backs for a few decades.
Perhaps you think Scotland should adopt the same position within the UK ?1 -
NickPalmer said:
I grew up in Copenhagen in the 60s and 70s and went to the local university and then to Birkbeck for my PhD. Never offered drugs or saw anyone obviously under the influence (but not sure I'd have known, really), though I remember a lecturer at a party comparing something to LSD and clearly assuming we'd know what LSD was like. Studied maths and mixed with a highly political circle - we saw the hippies of the time as self-indulgent wankers while we were busy changing the world. I take a more nuanced view nowadays (hey, having fun is OK too), but still haven't tried drugs.viewcode said:
I have spent more time in an university than most and I think I've never been offered them . In my limited experience, older people and people with STEM degrees just don't use them.noneoftheabove said:Out of interest what is the social background of the people who have never been offered drugs? I find it hard to believe many of them can have been at university or grown up in a city.
I haven't taken drugs either. Since SeanT left, it seems that the average amount of druggies on this forum has dropped drastically.
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Agreed it’s embarrassing, some Leavers need to stop the whining and man up !StuartDickson said:
Bullies claiming to be the victims of bullying seems to be a leitmotiv of modern English society. When did a once-proud nation become a bunch of whiners?AlastairMeeks said:
The snivelling self-pity from those who revelled in race-baiting and wonder why they couldn’t then unite the country behind them is remarkable.MarkHopkins said:AlastairMeeks said:
Of course. It’s never ever ever Leavers’ fault.MarkHopkins said:AlastairMeeks said:
The Remainers are wondering what happened to “we hold all the cards”. Leavers are now snivelling about being bullied.MarkHopkins said:another_richard said:Doesn't suggest that all those tens of billions we've paid into the EU has done us much good then.
Perhaps we're better off out of a club where we have no mates ?
The EU are bullies and are abusing their existing (temporary) arrangements to try and take advantage of us. And still the remainers think they are the good guys.
I am beginning to understand why some leavers think proroguing parliament and hard brexit are the only options.
Leavers weren't expecting May to flush them down the toilet.
Thank you for acknowledging that.
They want to leave , then fine . Accept the consequences of leaving the worlds biggest trading block and make the best of begging for scraps from Trump .
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I believe it was a Tudor bright idea originally.ydoethur said:
Indeed no.Theuniondivvie said:
To adapt the saw about the auld Irish lad giving directions to Brexit, I wouldn't start from here.FF43 said:
Which is my point too. You are taking the nationalist view of the border. But there is a different, unionist view, no less strongly held. So how do we reconcile the unreconcileable?
I blame James VI and I.
It was his stupid idea to settle all those Scots into Ulster...
Where the Welsh go, we all follow.0 -
I have taken drugs. I had a great time. I did not die.MarkHopkins said:NickPalmer said:
I grew up in Copenhagen in the 60s and 70s and went to the local university and then to Birkbeck for my PhD. Never offered drugs or saw anyone obviously under the influence (but not sure I'd have known, really), though I remember a lecturer at a party comparing something to LSD and clearly assuming we'd know what LSD was like. Studied maths and mixed with a highly political circle - we saw the hippies of the time as self-indulgent wankers while we were busy changing the world. I take a more nuanced view nowadays (hey, having fun is OK too), but still haven't tried drugs.viewcode said:
I have spent more time in an university than most and I think I've never been offered them . In my limited experience, older people and people with STEM degrees just don't use them.noneoftheabove said:Out of interest what is the social background of the people who have never been offered drugs? I find it hard to believe many of them can have been at university or grown up in a city.
I haven't taken drugs either. Since SeanT left, it seems that that average amount of druggies on this forum has dropped drastically.0 -
How would feel if it turned out he was coked up when he campaigned for LEAVE?OnlyLivingBoy said:I have absolutely no problem with Michael Gove doing coke a few times. I do have a problem with him robbing my children of their right to live, love and work across a continent of 350 million people.
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Well said . Post of the day .OnlyLivingBoy said:Andrea Leadsom has just ruined cannabis for so many people. On a more serious note, so much stupid shit is talked about drugs. Alcohol is a much more destructive drug than most of the stuff people tie themselves in knots about, and nobody has a more fucked up relationship with drink than MPs and the meejia. I have absolutely no problem with Michael Gove doing coke a few times. I do have a problem with him robbing my children of their right to live, love and work across a continent of 350 million people.
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So in that thread he is quoted about people turning to liberalisation for fear of being branded a hypocrite, but then says there are worse things than being a hypocrite . . . And as a result he is being called a hypocrite.Scott_P said:
He seems to be being quite consistent then in that respect (!)1 -
Well, we are naturally far superior to all other races. And it was of course the Earl of Pembroke who first led colonisation in Ireland in 1169.Theuniondivvie said:
I believe it was a Tudor bright idea originally.ydoethur said:
Indeed no.Theuniondivvie said:
To adapt the saw about the auld Irish lad giving directions to Brexit, I wouldn't start from here.FF43 said:
Which is my point too. You are taking the nationalist view of the border. But there is a different, unionist view, no less strongly held. So how do we reconcile the unreconcileable?
I blame James VI and I.
It was his stupid idea to settle all those Scots into Ulster...
Where the Welsh go, we all follow.
But the official plantations in Ulster began in 1609.0 -
Leaving the EU does not mean stopping trading with the individual countries.nico67 said:
More Leave hysteria .MarkHopkins said:another_richard said:Doesn't suggest that all those tens of billions we've paid into the EU has done us much good then.
Perhaps we're better off out of a club where we have no mates ?
The EU are bullies and are abusing their existing (temporary) arrangements to try and take advantage of us. And still the remainers think they are the good guys.
I am beginning to understand why some leavers think proroguing parliament and hard brexit are the only options.
Whining about being bullied is not a good look . It implies an acceptance that the UK is the weaker partner with the smaller economy which just happens to be true !
Will you also be whining about the USA and Trump when they also bully the UK !
Size matters ! It’s basic common sense and logic which admittedly seems in short supply for some Leavers .
The UK is leaving the biggest trading block in the world , indeed no country in history has ever embarked on a course of action that removes it from its biggest trading partners .0 -
Your username would be somewhat anachronistic if you had.OnlyLivingBoy said:
I have taken drugs. I had a great time. I did not die.MarkHopkins said:NickPalmer said:
I grew up in Copenhagen in the 60s and 70s and went to the local university and then to Birkbeck for my PhD. Never offered drugs or saw anyone obviously under the influence (but not sure I'd have known, really), though I remember a lecturer at a party comparing something to LSD and clearly assuming we'd know what LSD was like. Studied maths and mixed with a highly political circle - we saw the hippies of the time as self-indulgent wankers while we were busy changing the world. I take a more nuanced view nowadays (hey, having fun is OK too), but still haven't tried drugs.viewcode said:
I have spent more time in an university than most and I think I've never been offered them . In my limited experience, older people and people with STEM degrees just don't use them.noneoftheabove said:Out of interest what is the social background of the people who have never been offered drugs? I find it hard to believe many of them can have been at university or grown up in a city.
I haven't taken drugs either. Since SeanT left, it seems that that average amount of druggies on this forum has dropped drastically.
But does it imply all the other boys did?1 -
"We've had enough of experts". Cos I'm snowed off my trolley and therefore know everything.TheScreamingEagles said:Was Gove off his tits on coke when he said if we voted to Leave we would hold all the cards?
It would explain a great many things.0 -
Quote a lot about Michael Gove would make more sense if he were off his head on coke. Unfortunately I think he is just naturally a cock.GIN1138 said:
How would feel if it turned out he was coked up when he campaigned for LEAVE?OnlyLivingBoy said:I have absolutely no problem with Michael Gove doing coke a few times. I do have a problem with him robbing my children of their right to live, love and work across a continent of 350 million people.
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The Welsh just speak as though they're putting on bad Indian accentsTheuniondivvie said:
I believe it was a Tudor bright idea originally.ydoethur said:
Indeed no.Theuniondivvie said:
To adapt the saw about the auld Irish lad giving directions to Brexit, I wouldn't start from here.FF43 said:
Which is my point too. You are taking the nationalist view of the border. But there is a different, unionist view, no less strongly held. So how do we reconcile the unreconcileable?
I blame James VI and I.
It was his stupid idea to settle all those Scots into Ulster...
Where the Welsh go, we all follow.
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I cannot speak for the other boys.ydoethur said:
Your username would be somewhat anachronistic if you had.OnlyLivingBoy said:
I have taken drugs. I had a great time. I did not die.MarkHopkins said:NickPalmer said:
I grew up in Copenhagen in the 60s and 70s and went to the local university and then to Birkbeck for my PhD. Never offered drugs or saw anyone obviously under the influence (but not sure I'd have known, really), though I remember a lecturer at a party comparing something to LSD and clearly assuming we'd know what LSD was like. Studied maths and mixed with a highly political circle - we saw the hippies of the time as self-indulgent wankers while we were busy changing the world. I take a more nuanced view nowadays (hey, having fun is OK too), but still haven't tried drugs.viewcode said:
I have spent more time in an university than most and I think I've never been offered them . In my limited experience, older people and people with STEM degrees just don't use them.noneoftheabove said:Out of interest what is the social background of the people who have never been offered drugs? I find it hard to believe many of them can have been at university or grown up in a city.
I haven't taken drugs either. Since SeanT left, it seems that that average amount of druggies on this forum has dropped drastically.
But does it imply all the other boys did?0 -
I was far too scared to do drugs.
Plus I didn't need drugs to have a good time.
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Never knew you were a fan of The Two Ronnies, Sunil.Sunil_Prasannan said:
The Welsh just speak as though they're putting on bad Indian accentsTheuniondivvie said:
I believe it was a Tudor bright idea originally.ydoethur said:
Indeed no.Theuniondivvie said:
To adapt the saw about the auld Irish lad giving directions to Brexit, I wouldn't start from here.FF43 said:
Which is my point too. You are taking the nationalist view of the border. But there is a different, unionist view, no less strongly held. So how do we reconcile the unreconcileable?
I blame James VI and I.
It was his stupid idea to settle all those Scots into Ulster...
Where the Welsh go, we all follow.0 -
First the Norman-Welsh, then the Spanish (Philip and Mary Tudor), then the Scots.ydoethur said:
Well, we are naturally far superior to all other races. And it was of course the Earl of Pembroke who first led colonisation in Ireland in 1169.Theuniondivvie said:
I believe it was a Tudor bright idea originally.ydoethur said:
Indeed no.Theuniondivvie said:
To adapt the saw about the auld Irish lad giving directions to Brexit, I wouldn't start from here.FF43 said:
Which is my point too. You are taking the nationalist view of the border. But there is a different, unionist view, no less strongly held. So how do we reconcile the unreconcileable?
I blame James VI and I.
It was his stupid idea to settle all those Scots into Ulster...
Where the Welsh go, we all follow.
But the official plantations in Ulster began in 1609.
And its England which gets the blame.0 -
You need to read this entire tweet thread
https://twitter.com/Gabriel_Pogrund/status/11374105026975866880 -
As an English European, I find being co-opted by unionist Brexiteers into an identity which is antagonistic to Europe to be deeply offensive. They should stop clinging to England's coattails.FF43 said:Technically, yes. But the Irish border isn't mainly a technical border. It's a state of mind. It means completely different things to the communities it affects. For Protestant unionists the border is the necessary bulwark that creates a piece of Britain in Ireland and a safe space for them...
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Search your feelings, ydoethur. You will know it to be true!ydoethur said:
Never knew you were a fan of The Two Ronnies, Sunil.Sunil_Prasannan said:
The Welsh just speak as though they're putting on bad Indian accentsTheuniondivvie said:
I believe it was a Tudor bright idea originally.ydoethur said:
Indeed no.Theuniondivvie said:
To adapt the saw about the auld Irish lad giving directions to Brexit, I wouldn't start from here.FF43 said:
Which is my point too. You are taking the nationalist view of the border. But there is a different, unionist view, no less strongly held. So how do we reconcile the unreconcileable?
I blame James VI and I.
It was his stupid idea to settle all those Scots into Ulster...
Where the Welsh go, we all follow. 0 -
There are many laws and indeed rules in life and society that perhaps need to be there but which nearly everyone breaks . If you are unlucky you get caught and perhaps prosecuted . I suppose the sensible way for a society is not be too hard on those that are unlucky enough to be caught .
For instance I have taken very occasionally cannabis when I was at university decades ago and since I passed my drivign test in the 30 odds years of having a license have certainly and repeatedly speeded , jumped numerous red lights and 99.9% of the time got away with it . I have also on about 5 occasions drunk more than the driving limit and driven- It happens and if most humans were honest there is nobody who never breaks some laws .0 -
Was about to post which is the biggest national embarrassment?
I) Fans of the England football team
II) The Scottish football team0 -
IF you ever win your referendum will be fun to see how you get on.StuartDickson said:
It was you guys that stormed off in a huff. Not them.another_richard said:
Doesn't suggest that all those tens of billions we've paid into the EU has done us much good then.StuartDickson said:Mocking the Irish isn’t going to get the English anywhere. Nowadays they have lots of pals (27 to be exact) and England is Johnny No Mates.
Perhaps we're better off out of a club where we have no mates ?
I’m sure they’ll let you stay in the club if you get grovelling a bit, but don’t expect them to stop sniggering behind your backs for a few decades.
Big if though0 -
"Yes, cannabis is dangerous, but no more than other perfectly legal drugs. It's time for a rethink, and the Tory party - the funkiest, most jiving party on Earth - is where it's happening."state_go_away said:There are many laws and indeed rules in life and society that perhaps need to be there but which nearly everyone breaks . If you are unlucky you get caught and perhaps prosecuted . I suppose the sensible way for a society is not be too hard on those that are unlucky enough to be caught .
For instance I have taken very occasionally cannabis when I was at university decades ago and since I passed my drivign test in the 30 odds years of having a license have certainly and repeatedly speeded , jumped numerous red lights and 99.9% of the time got away with it . I have also on about 5 occasions drunk more than the driving limit and driven- It happens and if most humans were honest there is nobody who never breaks some laws .
- Boris, in the Daily Telegraph, 12 July 2001.0 -
Jermaine Stewart sang that we don’t have to take our clothes off to have a good time, but since he died of AIDS, I think he might have been fibbing.TheScreamingEagles said:I was far too scared to do drugs.
Plus I didn't need drugs to have a good time.
#GoodMuslimBoy
I did a bit of weed when I was younger but nothing else. I would only need to make one phone call to get coke, crystal meth, ecstasy or weed. I have no desire to do so. I’m boring enough without requiring additional help.1 -
Some England fans . The Scottish fans don’t go around shaming their own nation .TheScreamingEagles said:Was about to post which is the biggest national embarrassment?
I) Fans of the England football team
II) The Scottish football team0 -
They leave that to the players.nico67 said:
Some England fans . The Scottish fans don’t go around shaming their own nation .TheScreamingEagles said:Was about to post which is the biggest national embarrassment?
I) Fans of the England football team
II) The Scottish football team1 -
Sergeant Ruth.
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Ignoring, for the moment, any moral issues, its extraordinary a substantial organisation felt the best approach was to settle matters informally in such a way. For the benefit of all, including those who might be accused and yet be innocent, you surely have to be more thorough and formal about things. Even when things can be resolved through alternative means, if that was appropriate and accepted, things need to be done properly which does not seem the case here.TheScreamingEagles said:You need to read this entire tweet thread
https://twitter.com/Gabriel_Pogrund/status/1137410502697586688
But we had the faux internal outrage over this issue a month or so ago, we're not due another bout of hand wringing for another couple of months.1 -
Let me introduce you to the fans of the Old Firm.nico67 said:
Some England fans . The Scottish fans don’t go around shaming their own nation .TheScreamingEagles said:Was about to post which is the biggest national embarrassment?
I) Fans of the England football team
II) The Scottish football team
It is always a mystery to me that the nation that produces the wonderful and peerless Tartan Army can also produce the Old Firm fans.0 -
I don't know about legalizing drugs but hopefully Boris will bring an end to all the nannying and puritanism that's been going on under Cameron and especially May...Sunil_Prasannan said:
"Yes, cannabis is dangerous, but no more than other perfectly legal drugs. It's time for a rethink, and the Tory party - the funkiest, most jiving party on Earth - is where it's happening."state_go_away said:There are many laws and indeed rules in life and society that perhaps need to be there but which nearly everyone breaks . If you are unlucky you get caught and perhaps prosecuted . I suppose the sensible way for a society is not be too hard on those that are unlucky enough to be caught .
For instance I have taken very occasionally cannabis when I was at university decades ago and since I passed my drivign test in the 30 odds years of having a license have certainly and repeatedly speeded , jumped numerous red lights and 99.9% of the time got away with it . I have also on about 5 occasions drunk more than the driving limit and driven- It happens and if most humans were honest there is nobody who never breaks some laws .
- Boris, in the Daily Telegraph, 12 July 2001.
He is fat and sex mad after all
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I was offered some cocaine at university, honestly it was a fiasco, I did not know if I was supposed to smoke it or what.AlastairMeeks said:
Jermaine Stewart sang that we don’t have to take our clothes off to have a good time, but since he died of AIDS, I think he might have been fibbing.TheScreamingEagles said:I was far too scared to do drugs.
Plus I didn't need drugs to have a good time.
#GoodMuslimBoy
I did a bit of weed when I was younger but nothing else. I would only need to make one phone call to get coke, crystal meth, ecstasy or weed. I have no desire to do so. I’m boring enough without requiring additional help.0 -
He seems to be struggling to keep up with Gove and Hunt for the prize position of losing to Boris. Is there any reason to think those who will drop out of the race early won't see their supporters split relatively proportionally among the leading contenders? As unless the Saj picks up most of them he will find it difficult.Scott_P said:0 -
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Quite like Michael Gove in the sense he gets things done. Dominic Raab would be OK in my eyes normally but once for work I did occasion to pass through his offices in the Ministry Of Justice and saw a 'Team Raab' A4 paper stuck to the wall. Its was very David Brent!0
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Ah So that's why the Iron Saj came out with the whole no more referendums for Scotland line.0
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I think it's fair to say Elizabeth I was English. Of her great-grandparents, one was half-Welsh and half-French (Edmund Tudor) three were English with some French ancestry (Margaret Beaufort, Edward IV, the Countess of Wiltshire) one was half-English and half-Burgundian (Elizabeth Woodville) one was Irish (Margaret Butler) and the rest were unabashedly English (Thomas Boleyn, Elizabeth Tilney, Thomas Howard).another_richard said:
First the Norman-Welsh, then the Spanish (Philip and Mary Tudor), then the Scots.ydoethur said:
Well, we are naturally far superior to all other races. And it was of course the Earl of Pembroke who first led colonisation in Ireland in 1169.Theuniondivvie said:
I believe it was a Tudor bright idea originally.ydoethur said:
Indeed no.Theuniondivvie said:
To adapt the saw about the auld Irish lad giving directions to Brexit, I wouldn't start from here.FF43 said:
Which is my point too. You are taking the nationalist view of the border. But there is a different, unionist view, no less strongly held. So how do we reconcile the unreconcileable?
I blame James VI and I.
It was his stupid idea to settle all those Scots into Ulster...
Where the Welsh go, we all follow.
But the official plantations in Ulster began in 1609.
And its England which gets the blame.
So you can't really blame us for her.0 -
Bill Bryson, in his basically autobiographical, “Thunderbolt Kid” writes on the red scare and the HUAC, “It was an especially wonderful time to be a noisy moron.”AlastairMeeks said:
Of course. It’s never ever ever Leavers’ fault.MarkHopkins said:AlastairMeeks said:
The Remainers are wondering what happened to “we hold all the cards”. Leavers are now snivelling about being bullied.MarkHopkins said:another_richard said:Doesn't suggest that all those tens of billions we've paid into the EU has done us much good then.
Perhaps we're better off out of a club where we have no mates ?
The EU are bullies and are abusing their existing (temporary) arrangements to try and take advantage of us. And still the remainers think they are the good guys.
I am beginning to understand why some leavers think proroguing parliament and hard brexit are the only options.
Leavers weren't expecting May to flush them down the toilet.
A phrase which is endlessly reusable wrt Brexit and the Faragists.0 -
While I have missed out on much general social enjoyment as a result of timidity and passivity, one thing I don't regret is not feeling any temptation to take drugs. Sure I know plenty who smoked weed and get by just fine, but I don't think I'm missing much on that front.TheScreamingEagles said:I was far too scared to do drugs.
Plus I didn't need drugs to have a good time.
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We can blame the French.ydoethur said:
I think it's fair to say Elizabeth I was English. Of her great-grandparents, one was half-Welsh and half-French (Edmund Tudor) three were English with some French ancestry (Margaret Beaufort, Edward IV, the Countess of Wiltshire) one was half-English and half-Burgundian (Elizabeth Woodville) one was Irish (Margaret Butler) and the rest were unabashedly English (Thomas Boleyn, Elizabeth Tilney, Thomas Howard).another_richard said:
First the Norman-Welsh, then the Spanish (Philip and Mary Tudor), then the Scots.ydoethur said:
Well, we are naturally far superior to all other races. And it was of course the Earl of Pembroke who first led colonisation in Ireland in 1169.Theuniondivvie said:
I believe it was a Tudor bright idea originally.ydoethur said:
Indeed no.Theuniondivvie said:
To adapt the saw about the auld Irish lad giving directions to Brexit, I wouldn't start from here.FF43 said:
Which is my point too. You are taking the nationalist view of the border. But there is a different, unionist view, no less strongly held. So how do we reconcile the unreconcileable?
I blame James VI and I.
It was his stupid idea to settle all those Scots into Ulster...
Where the Welsh go, we all follow.
But the official plantations in Ulster began in 1609.
And its England which gets the blame.
So you can't really blame us for her.0 -
Well, we can blame the French for everything.TheScreamingEagles said:
We can blame the French.ydoethur said:
I think it's fair to say Elizabeth I was English. Of her great-grandparents, one was half-Welsh and half-French (Edmund Tudor) three were English with some French ancestry (Margaret Beaufort, Edward IV, the Countess of Wiltshire) one was half-English and half-Burgundian (Elizabeth Woodville) one was Irish (Margaret Butler) and the rest were unabashedly English (Thomas Boleyn, Elizabeth Tilney, Thomas Howard).another_richard said:
First the Norman-Welsh, then the Spanish (Philip and Mary Tudor), then the Scots.ydoethur said:
Well, we are naturally far superior to all other races. And it was of course the Earl of Pembroke who first led colonisation in Ireland in 1169.Theuniondivvie said:
I believe it was a Tudor bright idea originally.ydoethur said:
Indeed no.Theuniondivvie said:
To adapt the saw about the auld Irish lad giving directions to Brexit, I wouldn't start from here.FF43 said:
Which is my point too. You are taking the nationalist view of the border. But there is a different, unionist view, no less strongly held. So how do we reconcile the unreconcileable?
I blame James VI and I.
It was his stupid idea to settle all those Scots into Ulster...
Where the Welsh go, we all follow.
But the official plantations in Ulster began in 1609.
And its England which gets the blame.
So you can't really blame us for her.
I mean, they started it all under the Angevin empire.0 -
But she didn't name Irish counties after herself as Mary and Philip had done.ydoethur said:
I think it's fair to say Elizabeth I was English. Of her great-grandparents, one was half-Welsh and half-French (Edmund Tudor) three were English with some French ancestry (Margaret Beaufort, Edward IV, the Countess of Wiltshire) one was half-English and half-Burgundian (Elizabeth Woodville) one was Irish (Margaret Butler) and the rest were unabashedly English (Thomas Boleyn, Elizabeth Tilney, Thomas Howard).another_richard said:
First the Norman-Welsh, then the Spanish (Philip and Mary Tudor), then the Scots.ydoethur said:
Well, we are naturally far superior to all other races. And it was of course the Earl of Pembroke who first led colonisation in Ireland in 1169.Theuniondivvie said:
I believe it was a Tudor bright idea originally.ydoethur said:
Indeed no.Theuniondivvie said:
To adapt the saw about the auld Irish lad giving directions to Brexit, I wouldn't start from here.FF43 said:
Which is my point too. You are taking the nationalist view of the border. But there is a different, unionist view, no less strongly held. So how do we reconcile the unreconcileable?
I blame James VI and I.
It was his stupid idea to settle all those Scots into Ulster...
Where the Welsh go, we all follow.
But the official plantations in Ulster began in 1609.
And its England which gets the blame.
So you can't really blame us for her.0 -
Chris Grayling is backing Boris for leader.0
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Well, interesting...williamglenn said:Sergeant Ruth.
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More guff from Bozo !Scott_P said:
The 39 billion is split between commitments made whilst the UK was a member and money for the transition .
No deal and you still pay at least half that bill . The EU will tell him to do one !0 -
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Is the transition period shortening with the Brexit delay ?Scott_P said:
And if so doesn't that make the fees payable for that period reduce ?0 -
Politicians seem a bit stuck on the issue because everyone sensible knows that a great many people will be like you, having taken drugs, enjoyed it, and just moved on with their lives, and particularly with things like weed the idea no frontline politicians have ever tried it would not be believed, so the truth will out. But it is still illegal and severely frowned on, particularly the harder stuff, so they not only criticise their own drug use, they have to appear regretful as if they don't it would appear to suggest they are ok with others doing as they did.OnlyLivingBoy said:
I have taken drugs. I had a great time. I did not die.MarkHopkins said:NickPalmer said:
I grew up in Copenhagen in the 60s and 70s and went to the local university and then to Birkbeck for my PhD. Never offered drugs or saw anyone obviously under the influence (but not sure I'd have known, really), though I remember a lecturer at a party comparing something to LSD and clearly assuming we'd know what LSD was like. Studied maths and mixed with a highly political circle - we saw the hippies of the time as self-indulgent wankers while we were busy changing the world. I take a more nuanced view nowadays (hey, having fun is OK too), but still haven't tried drugs.viewcode said:
I have spent more time in an university than most and I think I've never been offered them . In my limited experience, older people and people with STEM degrees just don't use them.noneoftheabove said:Out of interest what is the social background of the people who have never been offered drugs? I find it hard to believe many of them can have been at university or grown up in a city.
I haven't taken drugs either. Since SeanT left, it seems that that average amount of druggies on this forum has dropped drastically.0 -
'Which also ran candidate to be is the most boring & has the least baggage so I won't feel too much embarrassment at having backed them?'williamglenn said:Sergeant Ruth.
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On the other hand, she was the inspiration for the State of Virginia.another_richard said:
But she didn't name Irish counties after herself as Mary and Philip had done.ydoethur said:
I think it's fair to say Elizabeth I was English. Of her great-grandparents, one was half-Welsh and half-French (Edmund Tudor) three were English with some French ancestry (Margaret Beaufort, Edward IV, the Countess of Wiltshire) one was half-English and half-Burgundian (Elizabeth Woodville) one was Irish (Margaret Butler) and the rest were unabashedly English (Thomas Boleyn, Elizabeth Tilney, Thomas Howard).another_richard said:
First the Norman-Welsh, then the Spanish (Philip and Mary Tudor), then the Scots.ydoethur said:
Well, we are naturally far superior to all other races. And it was of course the Earl of Pembroke who first led colonisation in Ireland in 1169.Theuniondivvie said:
I believe it was a Tudor bright idea originally.ydoethur said:
Indeed no.Theuniondivvie said:
To adapt the saw about the auld Irish lad giving directions to Brexit, I wouldn't start from here.FF43 said:
Which is my point too. You are taking the nationalist view of the border. But there is a different, unionist view, no less strongly held. So how do we reconcile the unreconcileable?
I blame James VI and I.
It was his stupid idea to settle all those Scots into Ulster...
Where the Welsh go, we all follow.
But the official plantations in Ulster began in 1609.
And its England which gets the blame.
So you can't really blame us for her.0 -
Poor BorisTheScreamingEagles said:Chris Grayling is backing Boris for leader.
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If I could be assured Gove won't be second in the leadership ballot that would be the best news I've heard in weeks.TheScreamingEagles said:Chris Grayling is backing Boris for leader.
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US travel ban for Gove !0
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Nobody was robbed of anything, there was a vote, which can and might well be reversed, but even if it wasn't there was no robbing, unless you think anything that ever happens after a vote is robbing those who did not have a vote, or that the votes of young people are worth more. You undermine every point you made with that childish remark.OnlyLivingBoy said:Andrea Leadsom has just ruined cannabis for so many people. On a more serious note, so much stupid shit is talked about drugs. Alcohol is a much more destructive drug than most of the stuff people tie themselves in knots about, and nobody has a more fucked up relationship with drink than MPs and the meejia. I have absolutely no problem with Michael Gove doing coke a few times. I do have a problem with him robbing my children of their right to live, love and work across a continent of 350 million people.
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Which counties?another_richard said:
But she didn't name Irish counties after herself as Mary and Philip had done.ydoethur said:
I think it's fair to say Elizabeth I was English. Of her great-grandparents, one was half-Welsh and half-French (Edmund Tudor) three were English with some French ancestry (Margaret Beaufort, Edward IV, the Countess of Wiltshire) one was half-English and half-Burgundian (Elizabeth Woodville) one was Irish (Margaret Butler) and the rest were unabashedly English (Thomas Boleyn, Elizabeth Tilney, Thomas Howard).another_richard said:
First the Norman-Welsh, then the Spanish (Philip and Mary Tudor), then the Scots.ydoethur said:
Well, we are naturally far superior to all other races. And it was of course the Earl of Pembroke who first led colonisation in Ireland in 1169.Theuniondivvie said:
I believe it was a Tudor bright idea originally.ydoethur said:
Indeed no.Theuniondivvie said:
To adapt the saw about the auld Irish lad giving directions to Brexit, I wouldn't start from here.FF43 said:
Which is my point too. You are taking the nationalist view of the border. But there is a different, unionist view, no less strongly held. So how do we reconcile the unreconcileable?
I blame James VI and I.
It was his stupid idea to settle all those Scots into Ulster...
Where the Welsh go, we all follow.
But the official plantations in Ulster began in 1609.
And its England which gets the blame.
So you can't really blame us for her.0 -
A completely pointless way to make the tax system part of the culture war. Expect to see the usual suspects to suddenly start explaining why "Australian" GST is superior to "European" VAT.Scott_P said:Gove: I'll scrap VAT after Brexit
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How likely is it that Grieve, Greening, Lee & Gyimah will resign Tory Whip in event of Johnson becoming Tory leader? Were that to occur together with a by election being called for Brecon & Radnor , Tory strength would be down to 308 MPs - very similar to what Cameron faced in 2010. Corbyn would surely table a VNOC.0
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He is playing to his support but if he refuses to pay how do you expect the EU to force payment and how many years in international litigationnico67 said:
More guff from Bozo !Scott_P said:
The 39 billion is split between commitments made whilst the UK was a member and money for the transition .
No deal and you still pay at least half that bill . The EU will tell him to do one !
Not that I agree with him as it opens wider problems on trust0 -
Laois and Offaly - officially Queen's County and King's County.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Which counties?another_richard said:
But she didn't name Irish counties after herself as Mary and Philip had done.ydoethur said:
I think it's fair to say Elizabeth I was English. Of her great-grandparents, one was half-Welsh and half-French (Edmund Tudor) three were English with some French ancestry (Margaret Beaufort, Edward IV, the Countess of Wiltshire) one was half-English and half-Burgundian (Elizabeth Woodville) one was Irish (Margaret Butler) and the rest were unabashedly English (Thomas Boleyn, Elizabeth Tilney, Thomas Howard).another_richard said:
First the Norman-Welsh, then the Spanish (Philip and Mary Tudor), then the Scots.ydoethur said:
Well, we are naturally far superior to all other races. And it was of course the Earl of Pembroke who first led colonisation in Ireland in 1169.Theuniondivvie said:
I believe it was a Tudor bright idea originally.ydoethur said:
Indeed no.Theuniondivvie said:
To adapt the saw about the auld Irish lad giving directions to Brexit, I wouldn't start from here.FF43 said:
Which is my point too. You are taking the nationalist view of the border. But there is a different, unionist view, no less strongly held. So how do we reconcile the unreconcileable?
I blame James VI and I.
It was his stupid idea to settle all those Scots into Ulster...
Where the Welsh go, we all follow.
But the official plantations in Ulster began in 1609.
And its England which gets the blame.
So you can't really blame us for her.
Although they're titles rather than names.0 -
Will you ever forgive me if I vote for Gove?ydoethur said:
If I could be assured Gove won't be second in the leadership ballot that would be the best news I've heard in weeks.TheScreamingEagles said:Chris Grayling is backing Boris for leader.
I fear I will be excommunicated by David Cameron.0 -
Um, one of the Americans’ biggest complaints was that they couldn’t trade freely with the rest of the Americas but it all had to go via England.StuartDickson said:
The Declaration of Independence, 1776?nico67 said:
More Leave hysteria .MarkHopkins said:another_richard said:Doesn't suggest that all those tens of billions we've paid into the EU has done us much good then.
Perhaps we're better off out of a club where we have no mates ?
The EU are bullies and are abusing their existing (temporary) arrangements to try and take advantage of us. And still the remainers think they are the good guys.
I am beginning to understand why some leavers think proroguing parliament and hard brexit are the only options.
Whining about being bullied is not a good look . It implies an acceptance that the UK is the weaker partner with the smaller economy which just happens to be true !
Will you also be whining about the USA and Trump when they also bully the UK !
Size matters ! It’s basic common sense and logic which admittedly seems in short supply for some Leavers .
The UK is leaving the biggest trading block in the world , indeed no country in history has ever embarked on a course of action that removes it from its biggest trading partners .0 -
I seem to recall some of the Brexiteers revealed they did not know what the transition even was, since they felt it would apply in a no deal situation, is Boris one of those?nico67 said:
More guff from Bozo !Scott_P said:
The 39 billion is split between commitments made whilst the UK was a member and money for the transition .
No deal and you still pay at least half that bill . The EU will tell him to do one !0 -
So they didn't actually name them after themselves?ydoethur said:
Laois and Offaly - officially Queen's County and King's County.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Which counties?another_richard said:
But she didn't name Irish counties after herself as Mary and Philip had done.ydoethur said:
I think it's fair to say Elizabeth I was English. Of her great-grandparents, one was half-Welsh and half-French (Edmund Tudor) three were English with some French ancestry (Margaret Beaufort, Edward IV, the Countess of Wiltshire) one was half-English and half-Burgundian (Elizabeth Woodville) one was Irish (Margaret Butler) and the rest were unabashedly English (Thomas Boleyn, Elizabeth Tilney, Thomas Howard).another_richard said:
First the Norman-Welsh, then the Spanish (Philip and Mary Tudor), then the Scots.ydoethur said:
Well, we are naturally far superior to all other races. And it was of course the Earl of Pembroke who first led colonisation in Ireland in 1169.Theuniondivvie said:
I believe it was a Tudor bright idea originally.ydoethur said:
Indeed no.Theuniondivvie said:
To adapt the saw about the auld Irish lad giving directions to Brexit, I wouldn't start from here.FF43 said:
Which is my point too. You are taking the nationalist view of the border. But there is a different, unionist view, no less strongly held. So how do we reconcile the unreconcileable?
I blame James VI and I.
It was his stupid idea to settle all those Scots into Ulster...
Where the Welsh go, we all follow.
But the official plantations in Ulster began in 1609.
And its England which gets the blame.
So you can't really blame us for her.
Although they're titles rather than names.0 -
Gove clearly in a post-marching powder-snorting binge panic.
Tells Telegraph he wants to scrap VAT (which the paper appears to claim is only there because of the EU (er, Geoff Howe anyone???)).
And HS2 will be gone.0 -
No.TheScreamingEagles said:
Will you ever forgive me if I vote for Gove?ydoethur said:
If I could be assured Gove won't be second in the leadership ballot that would be the best news I've heard in weeks.TheScreamingEagles said:Chris Grayling is backing Boris for leader.
I fear I will be excommunicated by David Cameron.
But if the alternative is Raab I will at least understand why you did it.0 -
Would Rory the Tory be allowed into the USA after his admission of smoking opium at an Iranian wedding ?
I can't imagine anything more likely to raise the ire of a border official there !0 -
No one has a clue how this plays out and even if Corbyn wins a vonc any GE is highly unpredictablejustin124 said:How likely is it that Grieve, Greening, Lee & Gyimah will resign Tory Whip in event of Johnson becoming Tory leader? Were that to occur together with a by election being called for Brecon & Radnor , Tory strength would be down to 308 MPs - very similar to what Cameron faced in 2010. Corbyn would surely table a VNOC.
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No, that one escapes being a lie (if one is very generous, considering he is far from stupid and cannot claim he was merely wrong) only on the basis that it was not a literal metaphor. But that's pretty slim, it was part of what is common politically (particularly as the public punish the reverse), that is to say pretending things will be easy when in fact they will be hard.TheScreamingEagles said:Was Gove off his tits on coke when he said if we voted to Leave we would hold all the cards?
It would explain a great many things.0 -
Interesting. Johnson appears to be going out of his way to goad the EU into not offering an extension. He doesn't accept the EU has any legitimate claim at all, nor is he serious about negotiation. He doesn't need to do this to pander to his base and it's actually counterproductive for winning over MPs. My guess is that he wants the EU to impose a No Deal and he doesn't get the blame. He wants to scorch the earth but not too be seen to be doing it.TheScreamingEagles said:0
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You'd still expect the DUP and Lady Hermon to vote for the government, so I don't think Corbyn would table a VONC.justin124 said:How likely is it that Grieve, Greening, Lee & Gyimah will resign Tory Whip in event of Johnson becoming Tory leader? Were that to occur together with a by election being called for Brecon & Radnor , Tory strength would be down to 308 MPs - very similar to what Cameron faced in 2010. Corbyn would surely table a VNOC.
The government won the VONC by 19 votes, so it would need more Tory defectors/whip resigners.0 -
I agree with that.Big_G_NorthWales said:
No one has a clue how this plays out and even if Corbyn wins a vonc any GE is highly unpredictablejustin124 said:How likely is it that Grieve, Greening, Lee & Gyimah will resign Tory Whip in event of Johnson becoming Tory leader? Were that to occur together with a by election being called for Brecon & Radnor , Tory strength would be down to 308 MPs - very similar to what Cameron faced in 2010. Corbyn would surely table a VNOC.
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Well, they were King and Queen at the time.Sunil_Prasannan said:
So they didn't actually name them after themselves?ydoethur said:
Laois and Offaly - officially Queen's County and King's County.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Which counties?another_richard said:
But she didn't name Irish counties after herself as Mary and Philip had done.ydoethur said:
I think it's fair to say Elizabeth I was English. Of her great-grandparents, one was half-Welsh and half-French (Edmund Tudor) three were English with some French ancestry (Margaret Beaufort, Edward IV, the Countess of Wiltshire) one was half-English and half-Burgundian (Elizabeth Woodville) one was Irish (Margaret Butler) and the rest were unabashedly English (Thomas Boleyn, Elizabeth Tilney, Thomas Howard).another_richard said:
First the Norman-Welsh, then the Spanish (Philip and Mary Tudor), then the Scots.ydoethur said:
Well, we are naturally far superior to all other races. And it was of course the Earl of Pembroke who first led colonisation in Ireland in 1169.Theuniondivvie said:
I believe it was a Tudor bright idea originally.ydoethur said:
Indeed no.Theuniondivvie said:
To adapt the saw about the auld Irish lad giving directions to Brexit, I wouldn't start from here.FF43 said:
Which is my point too. You are taking the nationalist view of the border. But there is a different, unionist view, no less strongly held. So how do we reconcile the unreconcileable?
I blame James VI and I.
It was his stupid idea to settle all those Scots into Ulster...
Where the Welsh go, we all follow.
But the official plantations in Ulster began in 1609.
And its England which gets the blame.
So you can't really blame us for her.
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Wasn't it reported Cameron is backing Boris? Very poor, if so.TheScreamingEagles said:
Will you ever forgive me if I vote for Gove?ydoethur said:
If I could be assured Gove won't be second in the leadership ballot that would be the best news I've heard in weeks.TheScreamingEagles said:Chris Grayling is backing Boris for leader.
I fear I will be excommunicated by David Cameron.0 -
Would Gove effectively bring back Purchase Tax?0
