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I’ve witnessed Kate Hoey share a stage with Nigel Farage, in front of an image mocking Jeremy Corbyn.Accross the street on another stage was Tommeh Robnson.Kate Hoey is still a labour member.Alastair Campbell has been expelled today.
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> The story worked - I didn't even notice the ECHR story until PB mentioned it.
It was leading the BBC News earlier.
Other fun facts include the Greens putting on their best show at an EU election in 1989, winning just under 15% of the vote (nearly double their 2014 score, for example), and on all eight occasions the LibDems scoring a lower vote-share than at each subsequent GE.
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2019/05/20/putting-thursday-into-context-a-look-back-at-previous-uk-euro-elections/
Matt Hancock has lambasted Conservative leadership rival Boris Johnson for his anti-business stance, arguing that the party should repair relations with corporate Britain, which has felt shunned by the May government.
In a wide-ranging interview with the FT, the health secretary and leadership candidate set out his proposals to revitalise the economy, break the Brexit stalemate and rebuild relations with businesses.
Acknowledging that the Tories had put too much distance between themselves and wealth creators, he referred to an infamous remark by Mr Johnson: “To the people who say ‘fuck business’, I say ‘fuck, fuck business’.”
The former foreign secretary reportedly said “fuck business” last year in response to the fears of some business leaders that a hard Brexit would cause economic damage and disrupt trading relations. He has refused to deny making the remark, but his allies insist Mr Johnson has a record “of supporting businesses great and small”.
https://www.ft.com/content/b18dd0c8-8151-11e9-9935-ad75bb96c849
> The point in bold at the end of the piece is the key one. Both Labour and the Conservatives are in desperate trouble as a result.
I always thought there was a large hard core of people (much larger than 14% anyway) who would never vote anything other than Labour.
> 45 minutes till the destruction of the Labour party ?
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> What's happening at 22:30?
I think it's a reference to
Iraq's Weapons of Mass Destruction: The Assessment of the British Government
She’s hanging on even though well into her 80s , terrified of stepping down as that would mean the lunatic in the WH appoints another right winger .
In Bercows case he will do everything possible to help MPs stop a no deal .
> > @AlastairMeeks said:
> > The point in bold at the end of the piece is the key one. Both Labour and the Conservatives are in desperate trouble as a result.
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> I always thought there was a large hard core of people (much larger than 14% anyway) who would never vote anything other than Labour.
Ditto the Conservatives.
> The story worked - I didn't even notice the ECHR story until PB mentioned it.
No doubt Campbell would appreciate the irony - of being the dead cat thrown on the table....
> > @kle4 said:
> > The story worked - I didn't even notice the ECHR story until PB mentioned it.
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> No doubt Campbell would appreciate the irony - of being the dead cat thrown on the table....
The Thick of It episode where the defence IT overspend is drowned out by the epic rant of piss lady was one of my favourites.
> I've been trying to resign my Labour membership for months. I only joined to get rid of Corbyn but however often I tender my resignation I still get weekly cash appeals from Jeremy or John. I'll try an open letter to Jeremy admitting feeling slightly aroused by a bar chart. That'll test whether they want my loyalty or my money.
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"Admitting to feeling slightly aroused by a bar chart"! Excellent phrase, made my day.
One Matt in Hancock and the world's your oyster
The bars are temples but the pearls ain't free
You'll find a god in every Tory cloister
And if you're lucky then the PM's a she
I can feel Theresa sliding up to me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=rgc_LRjlbTU
If Immigration was the driver of Brexit, replacing European immigrants for non-European ones is going to damage democracy as much as not doing Brexit at all. The Brexit supporting media have been playing with fire for the last 3 years and they will engulf us all with their foolish and endless pro-Brexit propaganda.....
> 45 minutes till the destruction of the Labour party ?
Weapons of mass defection?
Brexit transcends party allegiance because the ramifications won’t just be felt for 5 years but generations to come .
Labours policy of waffle on Brexit has failed because they mistakenly believed Party allegiance would be stronger.
> > @Gallowgate said:
> > 45 minutes till the destruction of the Labour party ?
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> > What's happening at 22:30?
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> I think it's a reference to
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> Iraq's Weapons of Mass Destruction: The Assessment of the British Government
Did Campbell write that dossier? I was too young to remember.
> https://twitter.com/Maomentum_/status/1133471059318124545
That did make me laugh.
I'm a bit surprised Charles Clarke is still a member. He was passionately anti-Gordon (and tried to get me to join a plot to overthrow him - as he couldn't identify a possible successor, I declined). Then, IIRC, he was passionately anti-Miliband. Then he was passionately anti-Corbyn.
The rule that you're thrown out if you voted for someone else is pretty universal in politics - there was a whole string of very brave LibDems and Tories in Broxtowe who were ejected by their parties for admitting voting for me. That said, I do think that the correct reading of the Labour rules is that you shouldn't attempt to persuade people to vote for another party, not that you mustn't admit to it in retrospect, so I hope Campbell is reinstated in due course.
> Stephen Bercow is a UK version of Ruth Ginsberg the Dem appointed Supreme Court judge .
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> She’s hanging on even though well into her 80s , terrified of stepping down as that would mean the lunatic in the WH appoints another right winger .
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> In Bercows case he will do everything possible to help MPs stop a no deal .
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> Stephen Bercow?
Oh yes what was I thinking it’s John Bercow. How embarrassing !
> > @Sean_F said:
> > > @AlastairMeeks said:
> > > The point in bold at the end of the piece is the key one. Both Labour and the Conservatives are in desperate trouble as a result.
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> > I always thought there was a large hard core of people (much larger than 14% anyway) who would never vote anything other than Labour.
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> Ditto the Conservatives.
I think the Conservative vote has been somewhat flakier since about 1990. Lots of Conservatives were willing to switch to the Lib Dems in local elections in the 90's, and to UKIP in the Euros, since the 2000's.
He seems remarkable collegiate, interesting and sensible.
Given that, I can only assume he is a complete no hoper.
Yes yes, Corbyn was felt to be a no hoper too, but he connected with the membership, Rory has no chance of doing that.
It's Hunt's move I find most interesting - conventional wisdom is his words on no deal have hurt him, making it all the more curious he did it. If he were bold enough to be so blunt one wonders why he, like most Cabinet Ministers, have left it to Rory to defend the WA this whole time.
> > @TheWhiteRabbit said:
> > > @Gallowgate said:
> > > 45 minutes till the destruction of the Labour party ?
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> > > What's happening at 22:30?
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> > I think it's a reference to
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> > Iraq's Weapons of Mass Destruction: The Assessment of the British Government
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> Did Campbell write that dossier? I was too young to remember.
Apparently it was written by a student probably also too young (or drunk) to remember
> This is why I really like Matt Hancock.
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> Matt Hancock has lambasted Conservative leadership rival Boris Johnson for his anti-business stance, arguing that the party should repair relations with corporate Britain, which has felt shunned by the May government.
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> In a wide-ranging interview with the FT, the health secretary and leadership candidate set out his proposals to revitalise the economy, break the Brexit stalemate and rebuild relations with businesses.
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> Acknowledging that the Tories had put too much distance between themselves and wealth creators, he referred to an infamous remark by Mr Johnson: “To the people who say ‘fuck business’, I say ‘fuck, fuck business’.”
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> The former foreign secretary reportedly said “fuck business” last year in response to the fears of some business leaders that a hard Brexit would cause economic damage and disrupt trading relations. He has refused to deny making the remark, but his allies insist Mr Johnson has a record “of supporting businesses great and small”.
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> https://www.ft.com/content/b18dd0c8-8151-11e9-9935-ad75bb96c849
While that is so, big business needs to repair relations with its natural supporters.
It was issued to journalists on 3 February 2003 by Alastair Campbell, Blair's Director of Communications and Strategy, and concerned Iraq and weapons of mass destruction. Together with the earlier September Dossier, these documents were ultimately used by the government to justify its involvement in the 2003 invasion of Iraq.
https://twitter.com/Pulpstar/status/1133479321782374400
> > @Scott_P said:
> > https://twitter.com/Maomentum_/status/1133471059318124545
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> That did make me laugh.
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> I'm a bit surprised Charles Clarke is still a member. He was passionately anti-Gordon (and tried to get me to join a plot to overthrow him - as he couldn't identify a possible successor, I declined). Then, IIRC, he was passionately anti-Miliband. Then he was passionately anti-Corbyn.
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> The rule that you're thrown out if you voted for someone else is pretty universal in politics - there was a whole string of very brave LibDems and Tories in Broxtowe who were ejected by their parties for admitting voting for me. That said, I do think that the correct reading of the Labour rules is that you shouldn't attempt to persuade people to vote for another party, not that you mustn't admit to it in retrospect, so I hope Campbell is reinstated in due course.
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I seem to remember that when Ken Livingstone ran as mayor of London the first time in the media there were strong suggestions that some very highly placed figures in the Labour party were giving their second preference to the Tory candidate instead of independent Livingstone. It may have been nonsense but given the iron grip on the media New Labour achieved especially at that point in time, I think the rumours were authentic.
Anyway, I thought progressives were all for tactical voting. Labour and the LD profited from it in 1997 and 2001.
> Has Rory the Tory from Balamory got any chance at all of winning this thing?
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> No.
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> Yes yes, Corbyn was felt to be a no hoper too, but he connected with the membership, Rory has no chance of doing that.
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> It's Hunt's move I find most interesting - conventional wisdom is his words on no deal have hurt him, making it all the more curious he did it. If he were bold enough to be so blunt one wonders why he, like most Cabinet Ministers, have left it to Rory to defend the WA this whole time.
They did not like May or trust her to get it over the line. Their egos make them think they can do it. Unlikely but you never know, it "should" be possible given the alternatives.
> Which party is this more worrying for ?
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> htt//twitter.com/Pulpstar/status/1133479321782374400
UKIP
> > @TheScreamingEagles said:
> > This is why I really like Matt Hancock.
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> > Matt Hancock has lambasted Conservative leadership rival Boris Johnson for his anti-business stance, arguing that the party should repair relations with corporate Britain, which has felt shunned by the May government.
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> > In a wide-ranging interview with the FT, the health secretary and leadership candidate set out his proposals to revitalise the economy, break the Brexit stalemate and rebuild relations with businesses.
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> > Acknowledging that the Tories had put too much distance between themselves and wealth creators, he referred to an infamous remark by Mr Johnson: “To the people who say ‘fuck business’, I say ‘fuck, fuck business’.”
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> > The former foreign secretary reportedly said “fuck business” last year in response to the fears of some business leaders that a hard Brexit would cause economic damage and disrupt trading relations. He has refused to deny making the remark, but his allies insist Mr Johnson has a record “of supporting businesses great and small”.
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> > https://www.ft.com/content/b18dd0c8-8151-11e9-9935-ad75bb96c849
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> While that is so, big business needs to repair relations with its natural supporters.
Big business also needs to appreciate that the executive has to implement change required by the voters. Big business HATES change - with British big business arguably the worst. "Fuck business" might have been brutally expressed, but it is a sentiment that can fairly be said by the Executive.
> I’m confused is something happening at 10.30 tonight re some drama in Labour .
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Nothing more than normal.
> > @Scott_P said:
> > https://twitter.com/Maomentum_/status/1133471059318124545
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> That did make me laugh.
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> I'm a bit surprised Charles Clarke is still a member. He was passionately anti-Gordon (and tried to get me to join a plot to overthrow him - as he couldn't identify a possible successor, I declined). Then, IIRC, he was passionately anti-Miliband. Then he was passionately anti-Corbyn.
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> The rule that you're thrown out if you voted for someone else is pretty universal in politics - there was a whole string of very brave LibDems and Tories in Broxtowe who were ejected by their parties for admitting voting for me. That said, I do think that the correct reading of the Labour rules is that you shouldn't attempt to persuade people to vote for another party, not that you mustn't admit to it in retrospect, so I hope Campbell is reinstated in due course.
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They’ll be coming for you soon Nick after your electoral pact. Shameful day for Labour.
> Has Rory the Tory from Balamory got any chance at all of winning this thing?
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> No.
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> Yes yes, Corbyn was felt to be a no hoper too, but he connected with the membership, Rory has no chance of doing that.
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> It's Hunt's move I find most interesting - conventional wisdom is his words on no deal have hurt him, making it all the more curious he did it. If he were bold enough to be so blunt one wonders why he, like most Cabinet Ministers, have left it to Rory to defend the WA this whole time.
Maybe Hunt has realised that Boris is going to be the Brexit candidate and he Hunt has to modify his appeal to the Remain side of the party. Whoever is up against Johnson is going to have their work carried out due to the Brexit supporting media going all out to get Johnson into No.10.
https://player.fm/series/the-political-party/show-56-lord-daniel-finkelstein
Go on Jezbollah, you know you want to.
> Which party is this more worrying for ?
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> https://twitter.com/Pulpstar/status/1133479321782374400
The Better Together party.
> https://twitter.com/MsHelicat/status/1133479643238027266
When will the DM be covering the deaths of disabled people who died weeks after being declared fit to work and having their benefits cut.
The Tories could start culling the poor and it still wouldn’t make the DM front page !
> > @TheScreamingEagles said:
> > This is why I really like Matt Hancock.
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> > Matt Hancock has lambasted Conservative leadership rival Boris Johnson for his anti-business stance, arguing that the party should repair relations with corporate Britain, which has felt shunned by the May government.
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> > In a wide-ranging interview with the FT, the health secretary and leadership candidate set out his proposals to revitalise the economy, break the Brexit stalemate and rebuild relations with businesses.
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> > Acknowledging that the Tories had put too much distance between themselves and wealth creators, he referred to an infamous remark by Mr Johnson: “To the people who say ‘fuck business’, I say ‘fuck, fuck business’.”
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> > The former foreign secretary reportedly said “fuck business” last year in response to the fears of some business leaders that a hard Brexit would cause economic damage and disrupt trading relations. He has refused to deny making the remark, but his allies insist Mr Johnson has a record “of supporting businesses great and small”.
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> > https://www.ft.com/content/b18dd0c8-8151-11e9-9935-ad75bb96c849
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> While that is so, big business needs to repair relations with its natural supporters.
"Big business" has changed so much in the last 20 years, and does need reform.
Executive pay is ludicrous, the idea that you need to pay £10m for a CEO because another firm does makes no sense. What is the realistic difference in ability between people willing to work for £1m or £10m? I would be pretty confident there is none, it will simply be candidates being in the right place at the right time.
Companies with billions of profit, paying little tax and few employees is a relatively new concept, they need to be dealt with.
But these are not the target of Boris' F-business, the companies who will be hit hardest by Brexit are those offering some of the best jobs available for median earners across the country. Those are the companies and people he could not care less about as long as he sits on the throne.
Compare and contrast against how Labour "deal" (no sniggering at the back) with cases of anti semitism.
But for us non-partisans the duty is to vote in the national interest. People who vote for the same lot regardless of the current problems and the various manifestos on offer aren't doing their job. It's a bit more important than supporting a football team.
> https://twitter.com/steverichards14/status/1133479539911385088
Good analysis from Steve Richards. I think Rory is a candidate for the future, once the current type of populism has driven into the mud.
fpt, I loved this from foxy
"The imminent collapse of the EU is such a perennial favourite, that it rivals the Punic wars for ubiquity, yet it goes from strength to strength. "
The EU is going from strength to strength???
lol. Let's break this down.
Arguably its most symbolic and influential member - France - is roiled in endless civil conflict, often deeply violent. In another major nation, Italy, where the EU was founded (the Treaty of Rome) - an openly eurosceptic party is triumphant. Meanwhile, its largest Eastern European member, Poland, has now consistently elected europhobic governments.
To cap it all off, perhaps its most globally significant member - the UK (if you add together soft power with hard power plus the English language) - is now actively leaving.
Then there's the endless recession of Greece. The catastrophe of the euro. Hideously slow growth. The immigration crisis. Terrorism. On and on and on.
And this political union, and would-be empire, is going from "strength to strength"???
You fucking bawling idiot. I am a Remainer, because it is too economically damaging to Leave, but this is just the most rancid drivel. The EU is deeply, deeply troubled, and very possibly doomed.
If you want to see an empire going from strength to strength, I suggest Britain 1750-1850, Rome around the 1st century AD, the USA from 1890-1950, or China about now. The EU is the Austro-Hungarian Empire in middle age, with a bit of the USSR in about 1970.
Where’s the mandate for no deal ? You both promised a deal in Vote Leave .
> This is why I really like Matt Hancock.
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> Matt Hancock has lambasted Conservative leadership rival Boris Johnson for his anti-business stance, arguing that the party should repair relations with corporate Britain, which has felt shunned by the May government.
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> In a wide-ranging interview with the FT, the health secretary and leadership candidate set out his proposals to revitalise the economy, break the Brexit stalemate and rebuild relations with businesses.
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> Acknowledging that the Tories had put too much distance between themselves and wealth creators, he referred to an infamous remark by Mr Johnson: “To the people who say ‘fuck business’, I say ‘fuck, fuck business’.”
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> The former foreign secretary reportedly said “fuck business” last year in response to the fears of some business leaders that a hard Brexit would cause economic damage and disrupt trading relations. He has refused to deny making the remark, but his allies insist Mr Johnson has a record “of supporting businesses great and small”.
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> https://www.ft.com/content/b18dd0c8-8151-11e9-9935-ad75bb96c849
I doubt many of the executive oligarchy of big business are 'wealth creators'.
> > @Scott_P said:
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> > https://twitter.com/MsHelicat/status/1133479643238027266
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> When will the DM be covering the deaths of disabled people who died weeks after being declared fit to work and having their benefits cut.
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> The Tories could start culling the poor and it still wouldn’t make the DM front page !
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> Campbell's Labour helped cull a lot of poor Iraqis...
I’m not disagreeing . I was totally against the Iraq War . Blair though only fucked other countries not his own like Cameron .
> > @HYUFD said:
> > > @StuartDickson said:
> > > > @AndreaParma_82 said:
> > > > What is left of SLAB is collapsing right now.
> > > > Left winger Neil Findlay resigns from shadow cabinet and announces he will stand down in 2021.
> > > > Daniel Johnson (moderate) is considering quitting shadow cabinet too.
> > > > Labour MSPs group meeting takes place this afternoon
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> > > They are going to have to reassess their opposition to independence. Even a neutral position would help them. Right now they’re simply aping the Tories, and you just can’t out-Tory the Tories.
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> > You also can't out-Nat the SNP
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> As I've no doubt tediously pointed out before, they should have been out-federalising/devo-maxing the LDs, not a hugely difficult task since the LD devotion to federalism is always more honoured in the breach than the observance. Instead they lurched between Union lite and more Yoon than the Tories, occasionally getting Brown to lumber out with his constitutional performing bear act.
> Too late now.
Federalism was a great idea... fifty years ago. Now it is the tired old joke that Rennie and Brown feel obliged to perform once a year in order to keep their adolescent followers amused. Nobody else pays them the slightest attention.
> > @Sean_F said:
> > > @TheScreamingEagles said:
> > > This is why I really like Matt Hancock.
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> > > Matt Hancock has lambasted Conservative leadership rival Boris Johnson for his anti-business stance, arguing that the party should repair relations with corporate Britain, which has felt shunned by the May government.
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> > > In a wide-ranging interview with the FT, the health secretary and leadership candidate set out his proposals to revitalise the economy, break the Brexit stalemate and rebuild relations with businesses.
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> > > Acknowledging that the Tories had put too much distance between themselves and wealth creators, he referred to an infamous remark by Mr Johnson: “To the people who say ‘fuck business’, I say ‘fuck, fuck business’.”
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> > > The former foreign secretary reportedly said “fuck business” last year in response to the fears of some business leaders that a hard Brexit would cause economic damage and disrupt trading relations. He has refused to deny making the remark, but his allies insist Mr Johnson has a record “of supporting businesses great and small”.
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> > > https://www.ft.com/content/b18dd0c8-8151-11e9-9935-ad75bb96c849
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> > While that is so, big business needs to repair relations with its natural supporters.
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> "Big business" has changed so much in the last 20 years, and does need reform.
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> Executive pay is ludicrous, the idea that you need to pay £10m for a CEO because another firm does makes no sense. What is the realistic difference in ability between people willing to work for £1m or £10m? I would be pretty confident there is none, it will simply be candidates being in the right place at the right time.
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> Companies with billions of profit, paying little tax and few employees is a relatively new concept, they need to be dealt with.
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> But these are not the target of Boris' F-business, the companies who will be hit hardest by Brexit are those offering some of the best jobs available for median earners across the country. Those are the companies and people he could not care less about as long as he sits on the throne.
The culture of there being no penalty for failure, and boards ripping off employees, pensioners, customers, shareholders, or creditors has generated widespread disgust.
> How can anyone not be able to load a dishwasher (assuming they are fit and able)?
It is an art. The other members of my household have not quite perfected it.
> > @Scott_P said:
> > https://twitter.com/Maomentum_/status/1133471059318124545
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> That did make me laugh.
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> I'm a bit surprised Charles Clarke is still a member. He was passionately anti-Gordon (and tried to get me to join a plot to overthrow him - as he couldn't identify a possible successor, I declined). Then, IIRC, he was passionately anti-Miliband. Then he was passionately anti-Corbyn.
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> The rule that you're thrown out if you voted for someone else is pretty universal in politics - there was a whole string of very brave LibDems and Tories in Broxtowe who were ejected by their parties for admitting voting for me. That said, I do think that the correct reading of the Labour rules is that you shouldn't attempt to persuade people to vote for another party, not that you mustn't admit to it in retrospect, so I hope Campbell is reinstated in due course.
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It really sticks in the craw that Labour can kick out Campbell in about 10 minutes for doing what many, many other Party have done and yet Kate Hoey is allowed to campaign alongside Nigel Farage, Andrew Fisher has a senior position in Corbyn's office and outrageous cases of antisemitism gather dust in HQ files. Indefensible double standards.
My God, yes, I can see him in a Paisley shirt at the Underground Club.
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Rory Stewart is like something out of a bad acid trip.
> > @Sean_F said:
> > > @TheScreamingEagles said:
> > > This is why I really like Matt Hancock.
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> > > Matt Hancock has lambasted Conservative leadership rival Boris Johnson for his anti-business stance, arguing that the party should repair relations with corporate Britain, which has felt shunned by the May government.
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> > > In a wide-ranging interview with the FT, the health secretary and leadership candidate set out his proposals to revitalise the economy, break the Brexit stalemate and rebuild relations with businesses.
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> > > Acknowledging that the Tories had put too much distance between themselves and wealth creators, he referred to an infamous remark by Mr Johnson: “To the people who say ‘fuck business’, I say ‘fuck, fuck business’.”
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> > > The former foreign secretary reportedly said “fuck business” last year in response to the fears of some business leaders that a hard Brexit would cause economic damage and disrupt trading relations. He has refused to deny making the remark, but his allies insist Mr Johnson has a record “of supporting businesses great and small”.
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> > > https://www.ft.com/content/b18dd0c8-8151-11e9-9935-ad75bb96c849
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> > While that is so, big business needs to repair relations with its natural supporters.
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> "Big business" has changed so much in the last 20 years, and does need reform.
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> Executive pay is ludicrous, the idea that you need to pay £10m for a CEO because another firm does makes no sense. What is the realistic difference in ability between people willing to work for £1m or £10m? I would be pretty confident there is none, it will simply be candidates being in the right place at the right time.
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> Companies with billions of profit, paying little tax and few employees is a relatively new concept, they need to be dealt with.
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> But these are not the target of Boris' F-business, the companies who will be hit hardest by Brexit are those offering some of the best jobs available for median earners across the country. Those are the companies and people he could not care less about as long as he sits on the throne.
Isn't it curious how globalisation has led to downward pressure on workers earnings but upward pressure on executive earnings.
> Which party is this more worrying for ?
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> https://twitter.com/Pulpstar/status/1133479321782374400
Why has the SNP changed colour???
Then again, remember the fake outrage when Philip and Theresa May made a joke about boy tasks and girl tasks, notwithstanding the fact that she was, and is, Prime Minister of the United Kingdom?
> @rottenborough said:
> My God, yes, I can see him in a Paisley shirt at the Underground Club.
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> Rory Stewart is like something out of a bad acid trip.
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Alternatively, from postwar and mid-century, pre-Thatcherite and noblesse oblige, liberal upper-middle class England ( or Britain ) , in a good way.
> > @Scott_P said:
> > https://twitter.com/steverichards14/status/1133479539911385088
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> Good analysis from Steve Richards. I think Rory is a candidate for the future, once the current type of populism has driven into the mud.<
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That's actually very convincing from Rory. Contrast that with the dreadful video from Javid.
Rory sounds genuine, convinced, and not scared to use the word "love". Which is brave. But it works. The opposite of wonkish wooden politics, or Corbynesque sloganising, while avoiding sentimentality.
However I agree it is a bit too early for him (and he is too posh, Etonian and Remainery for the moment)
I reckon the Tories' best bet is Gove, with Stewart as 2nd in command. A Brexiteer closely supported by a Remainer.
> > @NickPalmer said:
> > > @Scott_P said:
> > > https://twitter.com/Maomentum_/status/1133471059318124545
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> > That did make me laugh.
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> > I'm a bit surprised Charles Clarke is still a member. He was passionately anti-Gordon (and tried to get me to join a plot to overthrow him - as he couldn't identify a possible successor, I declined). Then, IIRC, he was passionately anti-Miliband. Then he was passionately anti-Corbyn.
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> > The rule that you're thrown out if you voted for someone else is pretty universal in politics - there was a whole string of very brave LibDems and Tories in Broxtowe who were ejected by their parties for admitting voting for me. That said, I do think that the correct reading of the Labour rules is that you shouldn't attempt to persuade people to vote for another party, not that you mustn't admit to it in retrospect, so I hope Campbell is reinstated in due course.
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> It really sticks in the craw that Labour can kick out Campbell in about 10 minutes for doing what many, many other Party have done and yet Kate Hoey is allowed to campaign alongside Nigel Farage, Andrew Fisher has a senior position in Corbyn's office and outrageous cases of antisemitism gather dust in HQ files. Indefensible double standards.
If you threw out every MP that has campaigned along side otherwise opponents on a cross party issue there wouldn't be many MPs left.
Working with opponents on cross party issues is the basis for compromise not an expellable offence or remotely comparable to voting for another party.
https://twitter.com/carlogibbs/status/1133463523735085056
> The one question I want Emily Maitlis to ask in the debate if it happens, especially of Johnson and Gove.
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> Where’s the mandate for no deal ? You both promised a deal in Vote Leave .
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> You don't need to convince Gove.
No, he knows we hold all the cards and can choose the path we want. The EU is bound to fall in line.
> This feels calamitous for Labour. Civil war on social media. But then the Tories aren't doing much/any better. A plague on ALL their houses.
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> fpt, I loved this from foxy
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> "The imminent collapse of the EU is such a perennial favourite, that it rivals the Punic wars for ubiquity, yet it goes from strength to strength. "
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> The EU is going from strength to strength???
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> lol. Let's break this down.
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> Arguably its most symbolic and influential member - France - is roiled in endless civil conflict, often deeply violent. In another major nation, Italy, where the EU was founded (the Treaty of Rome) - an openly eurosceptic party is triumphant. Meanwhile, its largest Eastern European member, Poland, has now consistently elected europhobic governments.
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> To cap it all off, perhaps its most globally significant member - the UK (if you add together soft power with hard power plus the English language) - is now actively leaving.
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> Then there's the endless recession of Greece. The catastrophe of the euro. Hideously slow growth. The immigration crisis. Terrorism. On and on and on.
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> And this political union, and would-be empire, is going from "strength to strength"???
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> You fucking bawling idiot. I am a Remainer, because it is too economically damaging to Leave, but this is just the most rancid drivel. The EU is deeply, deeply troubled, and very possibly doomed.
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> If you want to see an empire going from strength to strength, I suggest Britain 1750-1850, Rome around the 1st century AD, the USA from 1890-1950, or China about now. The EU is the Austro-Hungarian Empire in middle age, with a bit of the USSR in about 1970.
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The jaw-droppingly basic mistake you are making is to categorise the EU as an empire.
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> > When will the DM be covering the deaths of disabled people who died weeks after being declared fit to work and having their benefits cut.
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> > The Tories could start culling the poor and it still wouldn’t make the DM front page !
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> > Campbell's Labour helped cull a lot of poor Iraqis...
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> I’m not disagreeing . I was totally against the Iraq War . Blair though only fucked other countries not his own like Cameron .
Maybe you inadvertently point out a way out of Brexit. Johnson becomes PM and one of his first actions is to join a war against Iran! Its the sort of thing the media love and it gives Johnson the cover to cancel Brexit. Trump probably wants a limited war before he goes for re-election in 2020 and John Bolton is excitedly quivering like a greyhound waiting to get out of a trap in relation to sorting Iran out.
> How can anyone not be able to load a dishwasher (assuming they are fit and able)?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learned_helplessness
The culture of there being no penalty for failure, and boards ripping off employees, pensioners, customers, shareholders, or creditors has generated widespread disgust.
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What do you think an appropriate penalty for failure should be?
I was thinking of some kind of ritual disemboweling, but am open to suggestions
> > @noneoftheabove said:
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> > > > This is why I really like Matt Hancock.
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> > > > Matt Hancock has lambasted Conservative leadership rival Boris Johnson for his anti-business stance, arguing that the party should repair relations with corporate Britain, which has felt shunned by the May government.
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> > > > In a wide-ranging interview with the FT, the health secretary and leadership candidate set out his proposals to revitalise the economy, break the Brexit stalemate and rebuild relations with businesses.
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> > > > Acknowledging that the Tories had put too much distance between themselves and wealth creators, he referred to an infamous remark by Mr Johnson: “To the people who say ‘fuck business’, I say ‘fuck, fuck business’.”
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> > > > The former foreign secretary reportedly said “fuck business” last year in response to the fears of some business leaders that a hard Brexit would cause economic damage and disrupt trading relations. He has refused to deny making the remark, but his allies insist Mr Johnson has a record “of supporting businesses great and small”.
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> > > While that is so, big business needs to repair relations with its natural supporters.
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> > "Big business" has changed so much in the last 20 years, and does need reform.
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> > Executive pay is ludicrous, the idea that you need to pay £10m for a CEO because another firm does makes no sense. What is the realistic difference in ability between people willing to work for £1m or £10m? I would be pretty confident there is none, it will simply be candidates being in the right place at the right time.
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> > But these are not the target of Boris' F-business, the companies who will be hit hardest by Brexit are those offering some of the best jobs available for median earners across the country. Those are the companies and people he could not care less about as long as he sits on the throne.
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> The culture of there being no penalty for failure, and boards ripping off employees, pensioners, customers, shareholders, or creditors has generated widespread disgust.
Don't forget taxpayers.
https://twitter.com/MsHelicat/status/1133485051503681536
> The SNP must be absolubtely cock a hoop about all this. The Brexit party pretty much cleaning up in England and Wales is catnip for them.
The best bit is that this mess is *entirely* self-inflicted.
Cameron wasn’t happy with simply firing a revolver at his foot. He thought it wise to release a whopping great nuclear dirty bomb right at the heart of the English body politic.
You will be cleaning up your scarred nation for decades to come. We Scots are just looking on aghast. How, oh how, could you be so daft?