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Possible. But I suspect at least we would have left on 29th March 2019.another_richard said:
Boris would have negotiated a far worse deal with the EU ?MarqueeMark said:
Nobody wants her there. She's taken the Tory party from one with a working majority, through one with a majority of 100+ nailed on, to one needing to grab on to the DUP for dear life - and now barely registering in the EU polls and doing seriously sub-thirty for a general election.GIN1138 said:How seriously should we take this Con "grassroots" vote of no confidence in Theresa May?
Could it actually get her out?
Having buggered Brexit.
Against a Marxist.
Who she now sees as some of political ally who will bail her out.
Just how bad do those Tory MPs who backed her in December think Boris could have been to top that litany of disasters?
Or rather he wouldn't have negotiated at all but postured and then accepted a far worse deal.0 -
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Fair point. How about 'there'll be no olive oil'?isam said:
Sounds a bit ‘We know best’rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1120419799773925376
Crap slogan imho. Try 'Not Worth It"?0 -
Hmm. I'm not sure getting someone else to do the "selling" would've worked. Rightly or wrongly, both the media and the public are generally only interested in what the party leader says these days, not some appointed delegate.another_richard said:
And this shows the heart of the problem - May is unable to sell anything.rcs1000 said:
I think your second proposition is correct: he would have probably negotiated a worse deal for the UK, but he'd have done a better job of selling it.another_richard said:
Boris would have negotiated a far worse deal with the EU ?MarqueeMark said:
Nobody wants her there. She's taken the Tory party from one with a working majority, through one with a majority of 100+ nailed on, to one needing to grab on to the DUP for dear life - and now barely registering in the EU polls and doing seriously sub-thirty for a general election.GIN1138 said:How seriously should we take this Con "grassroots" vote of no confidence in Theresa May?
Could it actually get her out?
Having buggered Brexit.
Against a Marxist.
Who she now sees as some of political ally who will bail her out.
Just how bad do those Tory MPs who backed her in December think Boris could have been to top that litany of disasters?
Or rather he wouldn't have negotiated at all but postured and then accepted a far worse deal.
Now that's not a problem if she employs someone else to do the selling but she didn't.
And after the fiasco of the Conservative 2017 GE campaign you would have thought that May would have learnt that.
But it seems neither May or anyone associated with her has.0 -
Is was thinking more "Oh fuck, I mean really. Really? I mean I can't even...you know, forget it. Forget it. Stupid bloody idea anyway. It's all your fault. Aaaargh!"rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1120419799773925376
Crap slogan imho. Try 'Not Worth It"?
Admittedly difficult to put on the side of a bus, but there y'go.0 -
Don’t tell Popeyerottenborough said:
Fair point. How about 'there'll be no olive oil'?isam said:
Sounds a bit ‘We know best’rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1120419799773925376
Crap slogan imho. Try 'Not Worth It"?
‘Now we know’ what you think, we’ll do what we want anyway/ignore you etc etc0 -
Certainly.Danny565 said:
Hmm. I'm not sure getting someone else to do the "selling" would've worked. Rightly or wrongly, both the media and the public are generally only interested in what the party leader says these days, not some appointed delegate.another_richard said:
And this shows the heart of the problem - May is unable to sell anything.rcs1000 said:
I think your second proposition is correct: he would have probably negotiated a worse deal for the UK, but he'd have done a better job of selling it.another_richard said:
Boris would have negotiated a far worse deal with the EU ?MarqueeMark said:
Nobody wants her there. She's taken the Tory party from one with a working majority, through one with a majority of 100+ nailed on, to one needing to grab on to the DUP for dear life - and now barely registering in the EU polls and doing seriously sub-thirty for a general election.GIN1138 said:How seriously should we take this Con "grassroots" vote of no confidence in Theresa May?
Could it actually get her out?
Having buggered Brexit.
Against a Marxist.
Who she now sees as some of political ally who will bail her out.
Just how bad do those Tory MPs who backed her in December think Boris could have been to top that litany of disasters?
Or rather he wouldn't have negotiated at all but postured and then accepted a far worse deal.
Now that's not a problem if she employs someone else to do the selling but she didn't.
And after the fiasco of the Conservative 2017 GE campaign you would have thought that May would have learnt that.
But it seems neither May or anyone associated with her has.
But it looks like May didn't realise she would have to sell her deal or if she did made no effort into thinking how she could do so.
And nor did anyone else around her.0 -
Anyone Caen make that sword of mistake.MarqueeMark said:
Juno you said gold course?rottenborough said:
Surely it is for 75th D Day landings event? Even Trump would make that one, if only to check out whether a new gold course could be built on Normandy coast.Scott_P said:June 12th, obviously...
https://twitter.com/BBCJonSopel/status/11204314957542604800 -
"Don't fuck business"?isam said:
Don’t tell Popeyerottenborough said:
Fair point. How about 'there'll be no olive oil'?isam said:
Sounds a bit ‘We know best’rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1120419799773925376
Crap slogan imho. Try 'Not Worth It"?
‘Now we know’ what you think, we’ll do what we want anyway/ignore you etc etc0 -
So you're saying the ERG would have accepted a worse deal from Boris than the one from May which they had a tantrum about ?MarqueeMark said:
Possible. But I suspect at least we would have left on 29th March 2019.another_richard said:
Boris would have negotiated a far worse deal with the EU ?MarqueeMark said:
Nobody wants her there. She's taken the Tory party from one with a working majority, through one with a majority of 100+ nailed on, to one needing to grab on to the DUP for dear life - and now barely registering in the EU polls and doing seriously sub-thirty for a general election.GIN1138 said:How seriously should we take this Con "grassroots" vote of no confidence in Theresa May?
Could it actually get her out?
Having buggered Brexit.
Against a Marxist.
Who she now sees as some of political ally who will bail her out.
Just how bad do those Tory MPs who backed her in December think Boris could have been to top that litany of disasters?
Or rather he wouldn't have negotiated at all but postured and then accepted a far worse deal.0 -
You’re kidding? That would probably improve turnout for Leave!rottenborough said:
"Don't fuck business"?isam said:
Don’t tell Popeyerottenborough said:
Fair point. How about 'there'll be no olive oil'?isam said:
Sounds a bit ‘We know best’rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1120419799773925376
Crap slogan imho. Try 'Not Worth It"?
‘Now we know’ what you think, we’ll do what we want anyway/ignore you etc etc
“Let them eat cake?”0 -
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Australia has advised people to "Reconsider your need to travel to Sri Lanka".
https://smartraveller.gov.au/Countries/asia/south/Pages/sri_lanka.aspx0 -
OT Interview with Poyo, legendary soft cat and terror of the Augur prediction market.
https://medium.com/sunrise-over-the-merkle-trees/meet-poyo-an-interview-with-augurs-most-controversial-cat-a6bccae9ffe70 -
isam said:
You’re kidding? That would probably improve turnout for Leave!rottenborough said:
"Don't fuck business"?isam said:
Don’t tell Popeyerottenborough said:
Fair point. How about 'there'll be no olive oil'?isam said:
Sounds a bit ‘We know best’rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1120419799773925376
Crap slogan imho. Try 'Not Worth It"?
‘Now we know’ what you think, we’ll do what we want anyway/ignore you etc etc
“Let them eat cake?”
This is a longer one:
https://twitter.com/estwebber/status/11203684289493524560 -
I don't think these are the actual campaign slogans, these are slogans for the meta-campaign, which is about whether to have the referendum.another_richard said:
Is it short for 'Now we know this wasn't true'rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1120419799773925376
Crap slogan imho. Try 'Not Worth It"?
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/524967/hm_treasury_analysis_the_immediate_economic_impact_of_leaving_the_eu_web.pdf
Once you're having the referendum you need to talk about the actual question on the ballot paper, not the existence of the ballot paper.0 -
Now We Know? Yeah cos people love being told they were wrong the first time. Any second referendum won't be about Brexit anyway - it will be a referendum on our Parliament and MPs.viewcode said:
Is was thinking more "Oh fuck, I mean really. Really? I mean I can't even...you know, forget it. Forget it. Stupid bloody idea anyway. It's all your fault. Aaaargh!"rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1120419799773925376
Crap slogan imho. Try 'Not Worth It"?
Admittedly difficult to put on the side of a bus, but there y'go.0 -
https://twitter.com/TulipSiddiq/status/1120063759714856961?s=19AndyJS said:O/T
Australia has advised people to "Reconsider your need to travel to Sri Lanka".
https://smartraveller.gov.au/Countries/asia/south/Pages/sri_lanka.aspx0 -
That is the problem of referendums, people vote on issues other than the one on the ballot paper.houndtang said:
Now We Know? Yeah cos people love being told they were wrong the first time. Any second referendum won't be about Brexit anyway - it will be a referendum on our Parliament and MPs.viewcode said:
Is was thinking more "Oh fuck, I mean really. Really? I mean I can't even...you know, forget it. Forget it. Stupid bloody idea anyway. It's all your fault. Aaaargh!"rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1120419799773925376
Crap slogan imho. Try 'Not Worth It"?
Admittedly difficult to put on the side of a bus, but there y'go.
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Can anyone spot the flaw in this cunning plan?
https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1120445181969481733?s=190 -
Very sad. The Foreign Office hasn't issued the same guidance as Australia so far.Foxy said:
https://twitter.com/TulipSiddiq/status/1120063759714856961?s=19AndyJS said:O/T
Australia has advised people to "Reconsider your need to travel to Sri Lanka".
https://smartraveller.gov.au/Countries/asia/south/Pages/sri_lanka.aspx0 -
I suspect they will update tommorow. It is already tommorow in Australia.AndyJS said:
Very sad. The Foreign Office hasn't issued the same guidance as Australia so far.Foxy said:
https://twitter.com/TulipSiddiq/status/1120063759714856961?s=19AndyJS said:O/T
Australia has advised people to "Reconsider your need to travel to Sri Lanka".
https://smartraveller.gov.au/Countries/asia/south/Pages/sri_lanka.aspx
My folks were there in November.0 -
Obviously someone in CCHQ unable to realise that their "statistics" are now being seen by too many people as being totally untruthful. The old saying, "You can fool all of the people some of the time, you can fool some of the people all of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time". As the electorates realisation of the "truths" espoused and promulgated by the government bears no recognisable reality to their own life experiences, then retribution at the ballot box will occur. Oppositions never win elections, governments lose them, and the Conservative Party is proving it.Foxy said:
So what are the 300 000 annual new migrants, mostly non EU, doing?isam said:0 -
Any views on Seth Moulton?0
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Need to get some sleep. Bayeaux.....Ishmael_Z said:
Anyone Caen make that sword of mistake.MarqueeMark said:
Juno you said gold course?rottenborough said:
Surely it is for 75th D Day landings event? Even Trump would make that one, if only to check out whether a new gold course could be built on Normandy coast.Scott_P said:June 12th, obviously...
https://twitter.com/BBCJonSopel/status/11204314957542604800 -
Not sure it matters in this context, but FWIW Corbyn isn't a Marxist - he says Marx had some interesting ideas, as did a number of other thinkers, and one should try to draw on the best of them all. Pretty much my view too.MarqueeMark said:
Nobody wants her there. She's taken the Tory party from one with a working majority, through one with a majority of 100+ nailed on, to one needing to grab on to the DUP for dear life - and now barely registering in the EU polls and doing seriously sub-thirty for a general election.GIN1138 said:How seriously should we take this Con "grassroots" vote of no confidence in Theresa May?
Could it actually get her out?
Having buggered Brexit.
Against a Marxist.
Who she now sees as some of political ally who will bail her out.
Just how bad do those Tory MPs who backed her in December think Boris could have been to top that litany of disasters?0 -
That'll be fun if it happens in the middle of a Tory leadership coup. Will be able to resist offering advice?Scott_P said:June 12th, obviously...
https://twitter.com/BBCJonSopel/status/11204314957542604800 -
Very few say that . She's very much a major player in this mess. But smug ERGers refusing to vote for Brexit (and all but 20-30 accept it is Brexit even if it is a bad one) are in no position to get on a high horse, and nor are those with no plan other than unicorn deals.brokenwheel said:
But all that isn't her fault apparently, it's everyone else's fault but hers.MarqueeMark said:
Nobody wants her there. She's taken the Tory party from one with a working majority, through one with a majority of 100+ nailed on, to one needing to grab on to the DUP for dear life - and now barely registering in the EU polls and doing seriously sub-thirty for a general election.GIN1138 said:How seriously should we take this Con "grassroots" vote of no confidence in Theresa May?
Could it actually get her out?
Having buggered Brexit.
Against a Marxist.
Who she now sees as some of political ally who will bail her out.
Just how bad do those Tory MPs who backed her in December think Boris could have been to top that litany of disasters?0 -
Which is crazy when, as established, Boris is not even the strongest no deal candidate for the members as he voted for the deal.rottenborough said:
The membership will burn the party to the ground if Boris is not in the final two (or four, if a mooted rule change happens).MarqueeMark said:
They've permanently been in "Stop Boris" mode. It's why these same clowns voted to keep May....Scott_P said:
Imagine the two candidates are Hunt and Hancock.0 -
It assumes Mrs May's word has any value.Foxy said:Can anyone spot the flaw in this cunning plan?
https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1120445181969481733?s=190 -
What's the bloody point? For goodness sake preserving party unity is impossible, and if a deal cannot be made with labour to put to the EU its time to make parliament pick something, not more legal ju jutsu. She has no clue whatsoever.rottenborough said:Shoot me now...
https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1120445181969481733
Unfortunately those wishing to replace her like Boris have no plan either. Baker and Francois have more of a plan.0 -
Posturing. The party on the whole is no more interested in pragmatism than the Tory membership. This is so they personally can say they tried.HYUFD said:0 -
Agreed.kle4 said:
Very few say that . She's very much a major player in this mess. But smug ERGers refusing to vote for Brexit (and all but 20-30 accept it is Brexit even if it is a bad one) are in no position to get on a high horse, and nor are those with no plan other than unicorn deals.brokenwheel said:
But all that isn't her fault apparently, it's everyone else's fault but hers.MarqueeMark said:
Nobody wants her there. She's taken the Tory party from one with a working majority, through one with a majority of 100+ nailed on, to one needing to grab on to the DUP for dear life - and now barely registering in the EU polls and doing seriously sub-thirty for a general election.GIN1138 said:How seriously should we take this Con "grassroots" vote of no confidence in Theresa May?
Could it actually get her out?
Having buggered Brexit.
Against a Marxist.
Who she now sees as some of political ally who will bail her out.
Just how bad do those Tory MPs who backed her in December think Boris could have been to top that litany of disasters?
Let the Tory Party elect Raab or whoever as leader, and let’s see how he gets on.
The laws of arithmetic are the laws of arithmetic. They don’t change just because a Whack Job runs the Tory party rather than May.0 -
Hes already backed Boris hasn't he?NickPalmer said:
That'll be fun if it happens in the middle of a Tory leadership coup. Will be able to resist offering advice?Scott_P said:June 12th, obviously...
https://twitter.com/BBCJonSopel/status/1120431495754260480
Pity the office he holds deserves a visit, we could all do without it and there will be much virtue signalling about it even though hes had them in France and other places0 -
Her word is not the stumbling block, its the EU.shiney2 said:
It assumes Mrs May's word has any value.Foxy said:Can anyone spot the flaw in this cunning plan?
https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1120445181969481733?s=190 -
People keep saying this sort of stuff.YBarddCwsc said:
Agreed.kle4 said:
Very few say that . She's very much a major player in this mess. But smug ERGers refusing to vote for Brexit (and all but 20-30 accept it is Brexit even if it is a bad one) are in no position to get on a high horse, and nor are those with no plan other than unicorn deals.brokenwheel said:
But all that isn't her fault apparently, it's everyone else's fault but hers.MarqueeMark said:
Nobody wants her there. She's taken the Tory party from one with a working majority, through one with a majority of 100+ nailed on, to one needing to grab on to the DUP for dear life - and now barely registering in the EU polls and doing seriously sub-thirty for a general election.GIN1138 said:How seriously should we take this Con "grassroots" vote of no confidence in Theresa May?
Could it actually get her out?
Having buggered Brexit.
Against a Marxist.
Who she now sees as some of political ally who will bail her out.
Just how bad do those Tory MPs who backed her in December think Boris could have been to top that litany of disasters?
Let the Tory Party elect Raab or whoever as leader, and let’s see how he gets on.
The laws of arithmetic are the laws of arithmetic. They don’t change just because a Whack Job runs the Tory party rather than May.
When one applies bercowian levels of force to the constitution, as we have seen, anything can happen.
Can 'arithmetic' stop the CCA?
Get the right PM and anything *will* happen.0 -
Well, I give you its not the only one. However, so far, assuming she agrees something hasn't been a guide to anything much.kle4 said:
Her word is not the stumbling block, its the EU.shiney2 said:
It assumes Mrs May's word has any value.Foxy said:Can anyone spot the flaw in this cunning plan?
https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/1120445181969481733?s=190 -
What do you mean exactly?shiney2 said:
People keep saying this sort of stuff.
When one applies bercowian levels of force to the constitution, as we have seen, anything can happen.
Can 'arithmetic' stop the CCA?
Get the right PM and anything *will* happen.0 -
One of Mr Blair's innovationsYBarddCwsc said:
What do you mean exactly?shiney2 said:
People keep saying this sort of stuff.
When one applies bercowian levels of force to the constitution, as we have seen, anything can happen.
Can 'arithmetic' stop the CCA?
Get the right PM and anything *will* happen.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Contingencies_Act_2004
30d suspension of any law (except HRA).0 -
Local elections:
The projected national shares at the 2015 locals were as follows according to John Curtice.
Con 35%
Lab 29%
UKIP 13%
LD 11%
https://electionsetc.com/2016/05/04/calculating-the-local-elections-projected-national-share-pns-in-2015-and-2016/0 -
Do you not realise that strange and repellent odour that would emanate from the name of any politician that did that?shiney2 said:
One of Mr Blair's innovationsYBarddCwsc said:
What do you mean exactly?shiney2 said:
People keep saying this sort of stuff.
When one applies bercowian levels of force to the constitution, as we have seen, anything can happen.
Can 'arithmetic' stop the CCA?
Get the right PM and anything *will* happen.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Contingencies_Act_2004
30d suspension of any law (except HRA).
An odour that would attach to his or her name and cause a foul stench down the centuries. Like Nixon. Like Petain. Like Quisling.
Noone is going to do that. Not Johnson. Not Raab.
The fundamental point is that Leave won the Referendum 52:48 (& I voted Leave).
Compromise was inevitable.
Leave won, but they did not win in such an overwhelming manner as to warrant suspending the law.0 -
The crazy bit in all of this is that Mrs May's deal is a good one.
Yeah, I said it. Bite me.0 -
Nah.YBarddCwsc said:
Do you not realise that strange and repellent odour that would emanate from the name of any politician that did that?shiney2 said:
One of Mr Blair's innovationsYBarddCwsc said:
What do you mean exactly?shiney2 said:
People keep saying this sort of stuff.
When one applies bercowian levels of force to the constitution, as we have seen, anything can happen.
Can 'arithmetic' stop the CCA?
Get the right PM and anything *will* happen.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Contingencies_Act_2004
30d suspension of any law (except HRA).
An odour that would attach to his or her name and cause a foul stench down the centuries. Like Nixon. Like Petain. Like Quisling.
Noone is going to do that. Not Johnson. Not Raab.
The fundamental point is that Leave won the Referendum 52:48 (& I voted Leave).
Compromise was inevitable.
Leave won, but they did not win in such an overwhelming manner as to warrant suspending the law.
Just suspend /amend the leaving date that MrsMay SI'd.
Instant NoDEAL, on the sayso of any Minister.
Becomes a national hero (for 52% of the pop). etc
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This is so bonkers that I can only assume that you are a covert Remainer trying to make the Leavers look ridiculous and delusional.shiney2 said:
Nah.YBarddCwsc said:
Do you not realise that strange and repellent odour that would emanate from the name of any politician that did that?shiney2 said:
One of Mr Blair's innovationsYBarddCwsc said:
What do you mean exactly?shiney2 said:
People keep saying this sort of stuff.
When one applies bercowian levels of force to the constitution, as we have seen, anything can happen.
Can 'arithmetic' stop the CCA?
Get the right PM and anything *will* happen.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Contingencies_Act_2004
30d suspension of any law (except HRA).
An odour that would attach to his or her name and cause a foul stench down the centuries. Like Nixon. Like Petain. Like Quisling.
Noone is going to do that. Not Johnson. Not Raab.
The fundamental point is that Leave won the Referendum 52:48 (& I voted Leave).
Compromise was inevitable.
Leave won, but they did not win in such an overwhelming manner as to warrant suspending the law.
Just suspend /amend the leaving date that MrsMay SI'd.
Instant NoDEAL, on the sayso of any Minister.
Becomes a national hero (for 52% of the pop). etc
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So, no answer is your (arithmetic) answer.YBarddCwsc said:
This is so bonkers that I can only assume that you are a covert Remainer trying to make the Leavers look ridiculous and delusional.shiney2 said:
Nah.YBarddCwsc said:
Do you not realise that strange and repellent odour that would emanate from the name of any politician that did that?shiney2 said:
One of Mr Blair's innovationsYBarddCwsc said:
What do you mean exactly?shiney2 said:
People keep saying this sort of stuff.
When one applies bercowian levels of force to the constitution, as we have seen, anything can happen.
Can 'arithmetic' stop the CCA?
Get the right PM and anything *will* happen.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Contingencies_Act_2004
30d suspension of any law (except HRA).
An odour that would attach to his or her name and cause a foul stench down the centuries. Like Nixon. Like Petain. Like Quisling.
Noone is going to do that. Not Johnson. Not Raab.
The fundamental point is that Leave won the Referendum 52:48 (& I voted Leave).
Compromise was inevitable.
Leave won, but they did not win in such an overwhelming manner as to warrant suspending the law.
Just suspend /amend the leaving date that MrsMay SI'd.
Instant NoDEAL, on the sayso of any Minister.
Becomes a national hero (for 52% of the pop). etc
Being serious, I think its quite likely. if you read the act we meet the criteria for national emergency. And sooner rather than later, I suspect Mrs Mays replacement will be confronted with the ToBe or NotToBe question re the Conservative Party. (eg Farage on 20% for GE and nothing is getting thro the Commons inc a Queens Speech).0 -
"New IRA admits murdering journalist Lyra McKee"
https://news.sky.com/story/new-ira-admits-murdering-journalist-lyra-mckee-117012610 -
It's funny, on this board, the clear majority of Leavers (yourself, SeanF, MaxPB, Casino, another_richard, RichardTyndall, me etc.) support the Deal.YBarddCwsc said:
This is so bonkers that I can only assume that you are a covert Remainer trying to make the Leavers look ridiculous and delusional.shiney2 said:
Nah.YBarddCwsc said:
Do you not realise that strange and repellent odour that would emanate from the name of any politician that did that?shiney2 said:
One of Mr Blair's innovationsYBarddCwsc said:
What do you mean exactly?shiney2 said:
People keep saying this sort of stuff.
When one applies bercowian levels of force to the constitution, as we have seen, anything can happen.
Can 'arithmetic' stop the CCA?
Get the right PM and anything *will* happen.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Contingencies_Act_2004
30d suspension of any law (except HRA).
An odour that would attach to his or her name and cause a foul stench down the centuries. Like Nixon. Like Petain. Like Quisling.
Noone is going to do that. Not Johnson. Not Raab.
The fundamental point is that Leave won the Referendum 52:48 (& I voted Leave).
Compromise was inevitable.
Leave won, but they did not win in such an overwhelming manner as to warrant suspending the law.
Just suspend /amend the leaving date that MrsMay SI'd.
Instant NoDEAL, on the sayso of any Minister.
Becomes a national hero (for 52% of the pop). etc
Mostly, I think because they've actually read it.
Most of the things that are said about it simply aren't true. (And I also don't understand how you can say "I'd support a time limited backstop" but then say "No, international arbitration isn't good enough".)
But my biggest objection is that the people who oppose the WA presume to speak for all of the 52%. (I at least know that I do not.)0 -
Mrs May's replacement will then select a Brexit policy, put it in a manifesto and call an election.shiney2 said:
So, no answer is your (arithmetic) answer.YBarddCwsc said:
This is so bonkers that I can only assume that you are a covert Remainer trying to make the Leavers look ridiculous and delusional.shiney2 said:
Nah.YBarddCwsc said:
Do you not realise that strange and repellent odour that would emanate from the name of any politician that did that?shiney2 said:
One of Mr Blair's innovationsYBarddCwsc said:
What do you mean exactly?shiney2 said:
People keep saying this sort of stuff.
When one applies bercowian levels of force to the constitution, as we have seen, anything can happen.
Can 'arithmetic' stop the CCA?
Get the right PM and anything *will* happen.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Contingencies_Act_2004
30d suspension of any law (except HRA).
An odour that would attach to his or her name and cause a foul stench down the centuries. Like Nixon. Like Petain. Like Quisling.
Noone is going to do that. Not Johnson. Not Raab.
The fundamental point is that Leave won the Referendum 52:48 (& I voted Leave).
Compromise was inevitable.
Leave won, but they did not win in such an overwhelming manner as to warrant suspending the law.
Just suspend /amend the leaving date that MrsMay SI'd.
Instant NoDEAL, on the sayso of any Minister.
Becomes a national hero (for 52% of the pop). etc
Being serious, I think its quite likely. if you read the act we meet the criteria for national emergency. And sooner rather than later, I suspect Mrs Mays replacement will be confronted with the ToBe or NotToBe question re the Conservative Party. (eg Farage on 20% for GE and nothing is getting thro the Commons inc a Queens Speech).
No sane, or half-sane, or quarter-sane, politician is going to do what you suggest without the cover of a mandate through a General Election.
The rule of Parliament has been enshrined in our country for centuries. No-one wants to go down in history as the politician who suspended Parliament and the rule of law.
Only a completely gargantuan fuckwit of a politician would do what you propose.
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Have you listened to our MPs?YBarddCwsc said:
Mrs May's replacement will then select a Brexit policy, put it in a manifesto and call an election.shiney2 said:
So, no answer is your (arithmetic) answer.YBarddCwsc said:
This is so bonkers that I can only assume that you are a covert Remainer trying to make the Leavers look ridiculous and delusional.shiney2 said:
Nah.YBarddCwsc said:
Do you not realise that strange and repellent odour that would emanate from the name of any politician that did that?shiney2 said:
One of Mr Blair's innovationsYBarddCwsc said:
What do you mean exactly?shiney2 said:
People keep saying this sort of stuff.
When one applies bercowian levels of force to the constitution, as we have seen, anything can happen.
Can 'arithmetic' stop the CCA?
Get the right PM and anything *will* happen.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Contingencies_Act_2004
30d suspension of any law (except HRA).
An odour that would attach to his or her name and cause a foul stench down the centuries. Like Nixon. Like Petain. Like Quisling.
Noone is going to do that. Not Johnson. Not Raab.
The fundamental point is that Leave won the Referendum 52:48 (& I voted Leave).
Compromise was inevitable.
Leave won, but they did not win in such an overwhelming manner as to warrant suspending the law.
Just suspend /amend the leaving date that MrsMay SI'd.
Instant NoDEAL, on the sayso of any Minister.
Becomes a national hero (for 52% of the pop). etc
Being serious, I think its quite likely. if you read the act we meet the criteria for national emergency. And sooner rather than later, I suspect Mrs Mays replacement will be confronted with the ToBe or NotToBe question re the Conservative Party. (eg Farage on 20% for GE and nothing is getting thro the Commons inc a Queens Speech).
No sane, or half-sane, or quarter-sane, politician is going to do what you suggest without the cover of a mandate through a General Election.
The rule of Parliament has been enshrined in our country for centuries. No-one wants to go down in history as the politician who suspended Parliament and the rule of law.
Only a completely gargantuan fuckwit of a politician would do what you propose.
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That may be the case but the only way parliament will vote for it is in a forced choice between deal and no deal. Just get Raab or whoever to fail to agree to any extension the week before the leave date and parliament will have to choose one way or another. The can kicking doesn't work with an unwilling PM.rcs1000 said:
It's funny, on this board, the clear majority of Leavers (yourself, SeanF, MaxPB, Casino, another_richard, RichardTyndall, me etc.) support the Deal.YBarddCwsc said:
This is so bonkers that I can only assume that you are a covert Remainer trying to make the Leavers look ridiculous and delusional.shiney2 said:
Nah.YBarddCwsc said:
Do you not realise that strange and repellent odour that would emanate from the name of any politician that did that?shiney2 said:
One of Mr Blair's innovationsYBarddCwsc said:
What do you mean exactly?shiney2 said:
People keep saying this sort of stuff.
When one applies bercowian levels of force to the constitution, as we have seen, anything can happen.
Can 'arithmetic' stop the CCA?
Get the right PM and anything *will* happen.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Contingencies_Act_2004
30d suspension of any law (except HRA).
An odour that would attach to his or her name and cause a foul stench down the centuries. Like Nixon. Like Petain. Like Quisling.
Noone is going to do that. Not Johnson. Not Raab.
The fundamental point is that Leave won the Referendum 52:48 (& I voted Leave).
Compromise was inevitable.
Leave won, but they did not win in such an overwhelming manner as to warrant suspending the law.
Just suspend /amend the leaving date that MrsMay SI'd.
Instant NoDEAL, on the sayso of any Minister.
Becomes a national hero (for 52% of the pop). etc
Mostly, I think because they've actually read it.
Most of the things that are said about it simply aren't true. (And I also don't understand how you can say "I'd support a time limited backstop" but then say "No, international arbitration isn't good enough".)
But my biggest objection is that the people who oppose the WA presume to speak for all of the 52%. (I at least know that I do not.)0 -
Similarly, I suspect much of the ERG - if the choice genuinely was between Remain and Deal - would choose the Deal.JackJack said:That may be the case but the only way parliament will vote for it is in a forced choice between deal and no deal. Just get Raab or whoever to fail to agree to any extension the week before the leave date and parliament will have to choose one way or another. The can kicking doesn't work with an unwilling PM.
It seems highly likely to me that Deal is the clear Condorcet winner, if the choices are No Deal, Deal, and Remain.
The problem is that the options the HoC believes they have in front of them are: Deal, No Deal, Unicorns, and Remain.
And, Unicorns keep winning.0 -
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I've warmed to Warren, would probably be my second choice after Bernie.williamglenn said:0 -
Who?TheJezziah said:
I've warmed to Warren, would probably be my second choice after Bernie.williamglenn said:0 -
She's like Buttigeig only with policies and experience...rcs1000 said:
Who?TheJezziah said:
I've warmed to Warren, would probably be my second choice after Bernie.williamglenn said: 0 -
She's spot on about this. This sums it up for me:williamglenn said:
"you can be the umpire in the baseball game and you can run an honest platform. Or you can be a player, that is, you can have a business or you can have a team in the game. But you don’t get to be the umpire and have a team in the game."
This is, in my view, one of the most urgent issues for the future competitiveness of western economies.0
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