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Which side are you on? I would be on the "no" side. I suspect if we were going to find it we would have found traces of it by now.dyedwoolie said:
I've got about 6 years left on a 25 year bet that evidence of current life on Mars will be discoveredTheScreamingEagles said:
I think the longest bet I have is a private bet that we'll have rejoined the EU by 2030.DavidL said:
Ah, but I may not be alive by then. 5 years is a long, long time on an internet bet.TheScreamingEagles said:
Make it a decade.DavidL said:
Ok, its a long bet but if I will offer you evens on neither being convicted (let alone imprisoned) of a Brexit related offence within 5 years of this date. £50?TheScreamingEagles said:
Sure.DavidL said:
You wanting a bet on that?TheScreamingEagles said:
I remember not so long ago PB Leavers said Brexit would have been a success if Mrs May was replaced by David Davis or if Mrs May had let David Davis get on with Brexit.williamglenn said:
What fools.
The Brexit inquiry will see the likes of David Davis and Stewart Jackson locked up.
Come up with some terms/time frames and we can talk.
We need to cover the option if they recant their views or if there’s a drumhead style trial.
After all the publication of the Chilcot report was 12 years after Blair persuaded Parliament to support the invasion of Iraq.0 -
Talking of maps, can the PB brain trust solve this one?AlastairMeeks said:That’s a flag on the map you don’t get many chances at.
https://twitter.com/M_PaulMcNamara/status/1118932991592554497-1 -
Well Alastair Meeks pointed out that today Farage was matched at 44 to be next PM.Sean_F said:
Essentially, you'd be betting on Andrew Adonis becoming Prime Minister.DavidL said:
Ok, its a long bet but if I will offer you evens on neither being convicted (let alone imprisoned) of a Brexit related offence within 5 years of this date. £50?TheScreamingEagles said:
Sure.DavidL said:
You wanting a bet on that?TheScreamingEagles said:
I remember not so long ago PB Leavers said Brexit would have been a success if Mrs May was replaced by David Davis or if Mrs May had let David Davis get on with Brexit.williamglenn said:
What fools.
The Brexit inquiry will see the likes of David Davis and Stewart Jackson locked up.
Come up with some terms/time frames and we can talk.
We need to cover the option if they recant their views or if there’s a drumhead style trial.
PM Farage will be be succeeded by a hard Remainer, so so someone like A.C. Grayling.0 -
I am sure that there will be all kinds of off the record complaints about how May really has to go by January of that year. Bound to be. Even the 20th VONC will be getting talked about.TheScreamingEagles said:
It's funny you say that.DavidL said:
You honestly think we will have even left by then? Surely May's MV #4067 is pencilled in for March of that year?TheScreamingEagles said:
I think the longest bet I have is a private bet that we'll have rejoined the EU by 2030.DavidL said:
Ah, but I may not be alive by then. 5 years is a long, long time on an internet bet.TheScreamingEagles said:
Make it a decade.DavidL said:
Ok, its a long bet but if I will offer you evens on neither being convicted (let alone imprisoned) of a Brexit related offence within 5 years of this date. £50?TheScreamingEagles said:
Sure.DavidL said:
You wanting a bet on that?TheScreamingEagles said:
I remember not so long ago PB Leavers said Brexit would have been a success if Mrs May was replaced by David Davis or if Mrs May had let David Davis get on with Brexit.williamglenn said:
What fools.
The Brexit inquiry will see the likes of David Davis and Stewart Jackson locked up.
Come up with some terms/time frames and we can talk.
We need to cover the option if they recant their views or if there’s a drumhead style trial.
After all the publication of the Chilcot report was 12 years after Blair persuaded Parliament to support the invasion of Iraq.
The person I struck the bet with back in 2016 thought it was a rare lapse by me, now he's convinced the only way he wins this bet is we don't Leave, as the bet was clearly for Rejoin0 -
I'm yes. The recent methane discovery is promisingDavidL said:
Which side are you on? I would be on the "no" side. I suspect if we were going to find it we would have found traces of it by now.dyedwoolie said:
I've got about 6 years left on a 25 year bet that evidence of current life on Mars will be discoveredTheScreamingEagles said:
I think the longest bet I have is a private bet that we'll have rejoined the EU by 2030.DavidL said:
Ah, but I may not be alive by then. 5 years is a long, long time on an internet bet.TheScreamingEagles said:
Make it a decade.DavidL said:
Ok, its a long bet but if I will offer you evens on neither being convicted (let alone imprisoned) of a Brexit related offence within 5 years of this date. £50?TheScreamingEagles said:
Sure.DavidL said:
You wanting a bet on that?TheScreamingEagles said:
I remember not so long ago PB Leavers said Brexit would have been a success if Mrs May was replaced by David Davis or if Mrs May had let David Davis get on with Brexit.williamglenn said:
What fools.
The Brexit inquiry will see the likes of David Davis and Stewart Jackson locked up.
Come up with some terms/time frames and we can talk.
We need to cover the option if they recant their views or if there’s a drumhead style trial.
After all the publication of the Chilcot report was 12 years after Blair persuaded Parliament to support the invasion of Iraq.0 -
Interesting. I just think life would have resulted in higher oxygen levels, staining etc. The planet looks like it has been dead for millennia to me, possibly millions of years.dyedwoolie said:
I'm yes. The recent methane discovery is promisingDavidL said:
Which side are you on? I would be on the "no" side. I suspect if we were going to find it we would have found traces of it by now.dyedwoolie said:
I've got about 6 years left on a 25 year bet that evidence of current life on Mars will be discoveredTheScreamingEagles said:
I think the longest bet I have is a private bet that we'll have rejoined the EU by 2030.DavidL said:
Ah, but I may not be alive by then. 5 years is a long, long time on an internet bet.TheScreamingEagles said:
Make it a decade.DavidL said:
Ok, its a long bet but if I will offer you evens on neither being convicted (let alone imprisoned) of a Brexit related offence within 5 years of this date. £50?TheScreamingEagles said:
Sure.DavidL said:
You wanting a bet on that?TheScreamingEagles said:
I remember not so long ago PB Leavers said Brexit would have been a success if Mrs May was replaced by David Davis or if Mrs May had let David Davis get on with Brexit.williamglenn said:
What fools.
The Brexit inquiry will see the likes of David Davis and Stewart Jackson locked up.
Come up with some terms/time frames and we can talk.
We need to cover the option if they recant their views or if there’s a drumhead style trial.
After all the publication of the Chilcot report was 12 years after Blair persuaded Parliament to support the invasion of Iraq.0 -
Well I'm not thinking of cities. But single cell life is very resilient and adaptable. I look at it as life is either nowhere else or everywhere elseDavidL said:
Interesting. I just think life would have resulted in higher oxygen levels, staining etc. The planet looks like it has been dead for millennia to me, possibly millions of years.dyedwoolie said:
I'm yes. The recent methane discovery is promisingDavidL said:
Which side are you on? I would be on the "no" side. I suspect if we were going to find it we would have found traces of it by now.dyedwoolie said:
I've got about 6 years left on a 25 year bet that evidence of current life on Mars will be discoveredTheScreamingEagles said:
I think the longest bet I have is a private bet that we'll have rejoined the EU by 2030.DavidL said:
Ah, but I may not be alive by then. 5 years is a long, long time on an internet bet.TheScreamingEagles said:
Make it a decade.DavidL said:
Ok, its a long bet but if I will offer you evens on neither being convicted (let alone imprisoned) of a Brexit related offence within 5 years of this date. £50?TheScreamingEagles said:
Sure.DavidL said:
You wanting a bet on that?TheScreamingEagles said:
I remember not so long ago PB Leavers said Brexit would have been a success if Mrs May was replaced by David Davis or if Mrs May had let David Davis get on with Brexit.williamglenn said:
What fools.
The Brexit inquiry will see the likes of David Davis and Stewart Jackson locked up.
Come up with some terms/time frames and we can talk.
We need to cover the option if they recant their views or if there’s a drumhead style trial.
After all the publication of the Chilcot report was 12 years after Blair persuaded Parliament to support the invasion of Iraq.0 -
From the Guardian Chelsea v Sparta Prague commentary.
“Rob,” says Ian Burch. “I seem to remember that Mr Bates wanted to introduce the electric fences after a full-scale riot when Sunderland knocked Chelsea out of a Milk Cup semi-final at the Bridge. Former Chelsea player Clive Walker raced through to score against his old club after being played onside by a mounted policeman on the pitch who was behind Chelsea’s back four at the time. God knows what VAR would have made of that.”
I hadn’t thought of that. Imagine VAR in English football in the 1980s! There would have been five riots per match, and you can imagine the equanimity with which Vinnie Jones might have responded upon hearing that VAR had ruled out his last-minute winner for GBH on the goalkeeper.0 -
The chances of anything coming from Mars is a million to onedyedwoolie said:
Well I'm not thinking of cities. But single cell life is very resilient and adaptable. I look at it as life is either nowhere else or everywhere elseDavidL said:
Interesting. I just think life would have resulted in higher oxygen levels, staining etc. The planet looks like it has been dead for millennia to me, possibly millions of years.dyedwoolie said:
I'm yes. The recent methane discovery is promisingDavidL said:
Which side are you on? I would be on the "no" side. I suspect if we were going to find it we would have found traces of it by now.dyedwoolie said:
I've got about 6 years left on a 25 year bet that evidence of current life on Mars will be discoveredTheScreamingEagles said:
I think the longest bet I have is a private bet that we'll have rejoined the EU by 2030.DavidL said:
Ah, but I may not be alive by then. 5 years is a long, long time on an internet bet.TheScreamingEagles said:
Make it a decade.DavidL said:
Ok, its a long bet but if I will offer you evens on neither being convicted (let alone imprisoned) of a Brexit related offence within 5 years of this date. £50?TheScreamingEagles said:
Sure.DavidL said:
You wanting a bet on that?TheScreamingEagles said:
I remember not so long ago PB Leavers said Brexit would have been a success if Mrs May was replaced by David Davis or if Mrs May had let David Davis get on with Brexit.williamglenn said:
What fools.
The Brexit inquiry will see the likes of David Davis and Stewart Jackson locked up.
Come up with some terms/time frames and we can talk.
We need to cover the option if they recant their views or if there’s a drumhead style trial.
After all the publication of the Chilcot report was 12 years after Blair persuaded Parliament to support the invasion of Iraq.
Hope you got similar odds!0 -
Their colourScott_P said:
Talking of maps, can the PB brain trust solve this one?AlastairMeeks said:That’s a flag on the map you don’t get many chances at.
https://twitter.com/M_PaulMcNamara/status/11189329915925544970 -
Evens, a friends bet of a ponyDavidL said:
The chances of anything coming from Mars is a million to onedyedwoolie said:
Well I'm not thinking of cities. But single cell life is very resilient and adaptable. I look at it as life is either nowhere else or everywhere elseDavidL said:
Interesting. I just think life would have resulted in higher oxygen levels, staining etc. The planet looks like it has been dead for millennia to me, possibly millions of years.dyedwoolie said:
I'm yes. The recent methane discovery is promisingDavidL said:
Which side are you on? I would be on the "no" side. I suspect if we were going to find it we would have found traces of it by now.dyedwoolie said:
I've got about 6 years left on a 25 year bet that evidence of current life on Mars will be discoveredTheScreamingEagles said:
I think the longest bet I have is a private bet that we'll have rejoined the EU by 2030.DavidL said:
Ah, but I may not be alive by then. 5 years is a long, long time on an internet bet.TheScreamingEagles said:
Make it a decade.DavidL said:
Ok, its a long bet but if I will offer you evens on neither being convicted (let alone imprisoned) of a Brexit related offence within 5 years of this date. £50?TheScreamingEagles said:
Sure.DavidL said:
You wanting a bet on that?TheScreamingEagles said:
I remember not so long ago PB Leavers said Brexit would have been a success if Mrs May was replaced by David Davis or if Mrs May had let David Davis get on with Brexit.williamglenn said:
What fools.
The Brexit inquiry will see the likes of David Davis and Stewart Jackson locked up.
Come up with some terms/time frames and we can talk.
We need to cover the option if they recant their views or if there’s a drumhead style trial.
After all the publication of the Chilcot report was 12 years after Blair persuaded Parliament to support the invasion of Iraq.
Hope you got similar odds!
Slowly they are drawing their plans against us0 -
So you’re working on the basis it’s a godawful small affair?dyedwoolie said:
Well I'm not thinking of cities. But single cell life is very resilient and adaptable. I look at it as life is either nowhere else or everywhere elseDavidL said:
Interesting. I just think life would have resulted in higher oxygen levels, staining etc. The planet looks like it has been dead for millennia to me, possibly millions of years.dyedwoolie said:
I'm yes. The recent methane discovery is promisingDavidL said:
Which side are you on? I would be on the "no" side. I suspect if we were going to find it we would have found traces of it by now.dyedwoolie said:
I've got about 6 years left on a 25 year bet that evidence of current life on Mars will be discoveredTheScreamingEagles said:
I think the longest bet I have is a private bet that we'll have rejoined the EU by 2030.DavidL said:
Ah, but I may not be alive by then. 5 years is a long, long time on an internet bet.TheScreamingEagles said:
Make it a decade.DavidL said:
Ok, its a long bet but if I will offer you evens on neither being convicted (let alone imprisoned) of a Brexit related offence within 5 years of this date. £50?TheScreamingEagles said:
Sure.DavidL said:
You wanting a bet on that?TheScreamingEagles said:
I remember not so long ago PB Leavers said Brexit would have been a success if Mrs May was replaced by David Davis or if Mrs May had let David Davis get on with Brexit.williamglenn said:
What fools.
The Brexit inquiry will see the likes of David Davis and Stewart Jackson locked up.
Come up with some terms/time frames and we can talk.
We need to cover the option if they recant their views or if there’s a drumhead style trial.
After all the publication of the Chilcot report was 12 years after Blair persuaded Parliament to support the invasion of Iraq.0 -
I always like to play the ball where possible in political argumentsIshmael_Z said:
You what? The nutter was a Leaver...Pulpstar said:
Lammy voted against triggering Art 50, difficult to possibly see how he is any sort of 'traitor'... he has been consistently against.TheScreamingEagles said: 0 -
In the South west, he's almost certain not to be elected.brokenwheel said:
So he's only second. Good chance he won't get elected anyway.AndreaParma_82 said:Labour candidates for Euro elections
South West Region
Clare Moody MEP
Andrew Adonis
Jayne Kirkham
Neil Guild
Yvonne Atkinson
Sadik Al Hassan
There are only four seats up. Brexit will top the polls, and so get first shot at the second seat. And then there are the greens, the conservatives and the libdems.
The only real question is whether the libdems/greens get the fourth seat, or whether brexit gets it0 -
Well Mickey mouse did grow up a cowAlastairMeeks said:
So you’re working on the basis it’s a godawful small affair?dyedwoolie said:
Well I'm not thinking of cities. But single cell life is very resilient and adaptable. I look at it as life is either nowhere else or everywhere elseDavidL said:
Interesting. I just think life would have resulted in higher oxygen levels, staining etc. The planet looks like it has been dead for millennia to me, possibly millions of years.dyedwoolie said:
I'm yes. The recent methane discovery is promisingDavidL said:
Which side are you on? I would be on the "no" side. I suspect if we were going to find it we would have found traces of it by now.dyedwoolie said:
I've got about 6 years left on a 25 year bet that evidence of current life on Mars will be discoveredTheScreamingEagles said:
I think the longest bet I have is a private bet that we'll have rejoined the EU by 2030.DavidL said:
Ah, but I may not be alive by then. 5 years is a long, long time on an internet bet.TheScreamingEagles said:
Make it a decade.DavidL said:
Ok, its a long bet but if I will offer you evens on neither being convicted (let alone imprisoned) of a Brexit related offence within 5 years of this date. £50?TheScreamingEagles said:
Sure.DavidL said:
You wanting a bet on that?TheScreamingEagles said:
I remember not so long ago PB Leavers said Brexit would have been a success if Mrs May was replaced by David Davis or if Mrs May had let David Davis get on with Brexit.williamglenn said:
What fools.
The Brexit inquiry will see the likes of David Davis and Stewart Jackson locked up.
Come up with some terms/time frames and we can talk.
We need to cover the option if they recant their views or if there’s a drumhead style trial.
After all the publication of the Chilcot report was 12 years after Blair persuaded Parliament to support the invasion of Iraq.0 -
The blue vs white question makes it seem like a binary division but the photo looks more like there is a continuous range from white to blue with various shades in between.Scott_P said:
Talking of maps, can the PB brain trust solve this one?AlastairMeeks said:That’s a flag on the map you don’t get many chances at.
https://twitter.com/M_PaulMcNamara/status/11189329915925544970 -
From Ibiza to the Norfolk Broadsdyedwoolie said:
Well Mickey mouse did grow up a cowAlastairMeeks said:
So you’re working on the basis it’s a godawful small affair?dyedwoolie said:
Well I'm not thinking of cities. But single cell life is very resilient and adaptable. I look at it as life is either nowhere else or everywhere elseDavidL said:
Interesting. I just think life would have resulted in higher oxygen levels, staining etc. The planet looks like it has been dead for millennia to me, possibly millions of years.dyedwoolie said:
I'm yes. The recent methane discovery is promisingDavidL said:
Which side are you on? I would be on the "no" side. I suspect if we were going to find it we would have found traces of it by now.dyedwoolie said:
I've got about 6 years left on a 25 year bet that evidence of current life on Mars will be discoveredTheScreamingEagles said:
I think the longest bet I have is a private bet that we'll have rejoined the EU by 2030.DavidL said:
Ah, but I may not be alive by then. 5 years is a long, long time on an internet bet.TheScreamingEagles said:
Make it a decade.DavidL said:
Ok, its a long bet but if I will offer you evens on neither being convicted (let alone imprisoned) of a Brexit related offence within 5 years of this date. £50?TheScreamingEagles said:
Sure.DavidL said:
You wanting a bet on that?TheScreamingEagles said:
I remember not so long ago PB Leavers said Brexit would have been a success if Mrs May was replaced by David Davis or if Mrs May had let David Davis get on with Brexit.williamglenn said:
What fools.
The Brexit inquiry will see the likes of David Davis and Stewart Jackson locked up.
Come up with some terms/time frames and we can talk.
We need to cover the option if they recant their views or if there’s a drumhead style trial.
After all the publication of the Chilcot report was 12 years after Blair persuaded Parliament to support the invasion of Iraq.0 -
There are actually six seats up in the SW region!rcs1000 said:
In the South west, he's almost certain not to be elected.brokenwheel said:
So he's only second. Good chance he won't get elected anyway.AndreaParma_82 said:Labour candidates for Euro elections
South West Region
Clare Moody MEP
Andrew Adonis
Jayne Kirkham
Neil Guild
Yvonne Atkinson
Sadik Al Hassan
There are only four seats up. Brexit will top the polls, and so get first shot at the second seat. And then there are the greens, the conservatives and the libdems.
The only real question is whether the libdems/greens get the fourth seat, or whether brexit gets it0 -
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Oopsjustin124 said:
There are actually six seats up in the SW region!rcs1000 said:
In the South west, he's almost certain not to be elected.brokenwheel said:
So he's only second. Good chance he won't get elected anyway.AndreaParma_82 said:Labour candidates for Euro elections
South West Region
Clare Moody MEP
Andrew Adonis
Jayne Kirkham
Neil Guild
Yvonne Atkinson
Sadik Al Hassan
There are only four seats up. Brexit will top the polls, and so get first shot at the second seat. And then there are the greens, the conservatives and the libdems.
The only real question is whether the libdems/greens get the fourth seat, or whether brexit gets it0 -
The most recent polls show both Tories and SNP stable or rising with Labour falling - so actually - very clear.justin124 said:
The polling evidence - for Westminster elections in Scotland - is not that clear at all , but Labour have recently experienced two poor Local By election results there.felix said:
One makes as much of it as of any other anecdote which flies in the face of opinion poll and other local election evidence all of which suggests Labour is going backwards in Scotland.justin124 said:I have found an interesting comment from Vote UK Forum:
'It is the view of a few SNP MPs in this area - and I agree with them - that if it looks likely Labour will win the next election, Labour will take around a dozen seats off the SNP in the Clyde valley area.'
People can make of that what they wish!0 -
Anyone remember when we used to wonder how the Tories would do if they made Brexit a success?0
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Unified Germany plus USSR and Yugoslavia plants it firmly to 1991, which means it’s fairly old. If it’s been on display on a wall all that time the colours could be as mundane as a wider range having faded away to just two.DecrepitJohnL said:
The blue vs white question makes it seem like a binary division but the photo looks more like there is a continuous range from white to blue with various shades in between.Scott_P said:
Talking of maps, can the PB brain trust solve this one?AlastairMeeks said:That’s a flag on the map you don’t get many chances at.
https://twitter.com/M_PaulMcNamara/status/11189329915925544970 -
Only blue is usually the first colour to fade.rpjs said:
Unified Germany plus USSR and Yugoslavia plants it firmly to 1991, which means it’s fairly old. If it’s been on display on a wall all that time the colours could be as mundane as a wider range having faded away to just two.DecrepitJohnL said:
The blue vs white question makes it seem like a binary division but the photo looks more like there is a continuous range from white to blue with various shades in between.Scott_P said:
Talking of maps, can the PB brain trust solve this one?AlastairMeeks said:That’s a flag on the map you don’t get many chances at.
https://twitter.com/M_PaulMcNamara/status/11189329915925544970 -
Have a vote every year on March 29th, similar to how we used to have annual renewal of anti-terror legislation, and still, I think, annually renew the temporary income tax.DavidL said:
You honestly think we will have even left by then? Surely May's MV #4067 is pencilled in for March of that year?TheScreamingEagles said:
I think the longest bet I have is a private bet that we'll have rejoined the EU by 2030.DavidL said:
Ah, but I may not be alive by then. 5 years is a long, long time on an internet bet.TheScreamingEagles said:
Make it a decade.DavidL said:
Ok, its a long bet but if I will offer you evens on neither being convicted (let alone imprisoned) of a Brexit related offence within 5 years of this date. £50?TheScreamingEagles said:
Sure.DavidL said:
You wanting a bet on that?TheScreamingEagles said:
I remember not so long ago PB Leavers said Brexit would have been a success if Mrs May was replaced by David Davis or if Mrs May had let David Davis get on with Brexit.williamglenn said:
What fools.
The Brexit inquiry will see the likes of David Davis and Stewart Jackson locked up.
Come up with some terms/time frames and we can talk.
We need to cover the option if they recant their views or if there’s a drumhead style trial.
After all the publication of the Chilcot report was 12 years after Blair persuaded Parliament to support the invasion of Iraq.0 -
The numbers I crunched from early polling actually suggested a 6 way split for SW, which amused me.rcs1000 said:
Oopsjustin124 said:
There are actually six seats up in the SW region!rcs1000 said:
In the South west, he's almost certain not to be elected.brokenwheel said:
So he's only second. Good chance he won't get elected anyway.AndreaParma_82 said:Labour candidates for Euro elections
South West Region
Clare Moody MEP
Andrew Adonis
Jayne Kirkham
Neil Guild
Yvonne Atkinson
Sadik Al Hassan
There are only four seats up. Brexit will top the polls, and so get first shot at the second seat. And then there are the greens, the conservatives and the libdems.
The only real question is whether the libdems/greens get the fourth seat, or whether brexit gets it
But again caveat: I used 2014 regional strengths and not early poillng subsets suggesting Brexit doing somewhat better in South and somewhat worse in North than 2014, and thus further suggesting the type of pure Tory -> Farage swing that was posited but didn't quite happen for GE 2015.
I'd fully expect Brexit to gain at least 2 MEPs in SW, maybe even 3.0 -
My MP Dame Eleanor Laing as Deputy Speaker is certainly in the running to succeed Bercow and would do an excellent job (she was also a Leaver but backed May's Deal)0
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My longest bet ever is that the sitting US President doesn't confirm the discovery of alien life by 2020. Placed in early 2013 with Paddy Power at 2/1.DavidL said:
Which side are you on? I would be on the "no" side. I suspect if we were going to find it we would have found traces of it by now.dyedwoolie said:
I've got about 6 years left on a 25 year bet that evidence of current life on Mars will be discoveredTheScreamingEagles said:
I think the longest bet I have is a private bet that we'll have rejoined the EU by 2030.DavidL said:
Ah, but I may not be alive by then. 5 years is a long, long time on an internet bet.TheScreamingEagles said:
Make it a decade.DavidL said:
Ok, its a long bet but if I will offer you evens on neither being convicted (let alone imprisoned) of a Brexit related offence within 5 years of this date. £50?TheScreamingEagles said:
Sure.DavidL said:
You wanting a bet on that?TheScreamingEagles said:
I remember not so long ago PB Leavers said Brexit would have been a success if Mrs May was replaced by David Davis or if Mrs May had let David Davis get on with Brexit.williamglenn said:
What fools.
The Brexit inquiry will see the likes of David Davis and Stewart Jackson locked up.
Come up with some terms/time frames and we can talk.
We need to cover the option if they recant their views or if there’s a drumhead style trial.
After all the publication of the Chilcot report was 12 years after Blair persuaded Parliament to support the invasion of Iraq.0 -
Different colour that faded to blue? I dunno how the half-lives of pigments work so it's just a guess!Recidivist said:
Only blue is usually the first colour to fade.rpjs said:
Unified Germany plus USSR and Yugoslavia plants it firmly to 1991, which means it’s fairly old. If it’s been on display on a wall all that time the colours could be as mundane as a wider range having faded away to just two.DecrepitJohnL said:
The blue vs white question makes it seem like a binary division but the photo looks more like there is a continuous range from white to blue with various shades in between.Scott_P said:
Talking of maps, can the PB brain trust solve this one?AlastairMeeks said:That’s a flag on the map you don’t get many chances at.
https://twitter.com/M_PaulMcNamara/status/11189329915925544970 -
I'd expect a result in the South West along the lines of Brexit, Conservative, Labour, Brexit, Lib Dem or Green, Conservative.rcs1000 said:
Oopsjustin124 said:
There are actually six seats up in the SW region!rcs1000 said:
In the South west, he's almost certain not to be elected.brokenwheel said:
So he's only second. Good chance he won't get elected anyway.AndreaParma_82 said:Labour candidates for Euro elections
South West Region
Clare Moody MEP
Andrew Adonis
Jayne Kirkham
Neil Guild
Yvonne Atkinson
Sadik Al Hassan
There are only four seats up. Brexit will top the polls, and so get first shot at the second seat. And then there are the greens, the conservatives and the libdems.
The only real question is whether the libdems/greens get the fourth seat, or whether brexit gets it0 -
I take it Trump himself doesn't count?Quincel said:
My longest bet ever is that the sitting US President doesn't confirm the discovery of alien life by 2020. Placed in early 2013 with Paddy Power at 2/1.DavidL said:
Which side are you on? I would be on the "no" side. I suspect if we were going to find it we would have found traces of it by now.dyedwoolie said:
I've got about 6 years left on a 25 year bet that evidence of current life on Mars will be discoveredTheScreamingEagles said:
I think the longest bet I have is a private bet that we'll have rejoined the EU by 2030.DavidL said:
Ah, but I may not be alive by then. 5 years is a long, long time on an internet bet.TheScreamingEagles said:
Make it a decade.DavidL said:
Ok, its a long bet but if I will offer you evens on neither being convicted (let alone imprisoned) of a Brexit related offence within 5 years of this date. £50?TheScreamingEagles said:
Sure.DavidL said:
You wanting a bet on that?TheScreamingEagles said:
I remember not so long ago PB Leavers said Brexit would have been a success if Mrs May was replaced by David Davis or if Mrs May had let David Davis get on with Brexit.williamglenn said:
What fools.
The Brexit inquiry will see the likes of David Davis and Stewart Jackson locked up.
Come up with some terms/time frames and we can talk.
We need to cover the option if they recant their views or if there’s a drumhead style trial.
After all the publication of the Chilcot report was 12 years after Blair persuaded Parliament to support the invasion of Iraq.0 -
Theres also every UKIP TV appearance being a train wreck of far right awfulnessOblitusSumMe said:0 -
Could it be as simple as white shows the countries where said client was operating in 1991?rpjs said:
Unified Germany plus USSR and Yugoslavia plants it firmly to 1991, which means it’s fairly old. If it’s been on display on a wall all that time the colours could be as mundane as a wider range having faded away to just two.DecrepitJohnL said:
The blue vs white question makes it seem like a binary division but the photo looks more like there is a continuous range from white to blue with various shades in between.Scott_P said:
Talking of maps, can the PB brain trust solve this one?AlastairMeeks said:That’s a flag on the map you don’t get many chances at.
https://twitter.com/M_PaulMcNamara/status/11189329915925544970 -
Not beyond ten. He runs out of fingers.DavidL said:
I take it Trump himself doesn't count?Quincel said:
My longest bet ever is that the sitting US President doesn't confirm the discovery of alien life by 2020. Placed in early 2013 with Paddy Power at 2/1.DavidL said:
Which side are you on? I would be on the "no" side. I suspect if we were going to find it we would have found traces of it by now.dyedwoolie said:
I've got about 6 years left on a 25 year bet that evidence of current life on Mars will be discoveredTheScreamingEagles said:
I think the longest bet I have is a private bet that we'll have rejoined the EU by 2030.DavidL said:
Ah, but I may not be alive by then. 5 years is a long, long time on an internet bet.TheScreamingEagles said:
Make it a decade.DavidL said:
Ok, its a long bet but if I will offer you evens on neither being convicted (let alone imprisoned) of a Brexit related offence within 5 years of this date. £50?TheScreamingEagles said:
Sure.DavidL said:
You wanting a bet on that?TheScreamingEagles said:
I remember not so long ago PB Leavers said Brexit would have been a success if Mrs May was replaced by David Davis or if Mrs May had let David Davis get on with Brexit.williamglenn said:
What fools.
The Brexit inquiry will see the likes of David Davis and Stewart Jackson locked up.
Come up with some terms/time frames and we can talk.
We need to cover the option if they recant their views or if there’s a drumhead style trial.
After all the publication of the Chilcot report was 12 years after Blair persuaded Parliament to support the invasion of Iraq.0 -
Not a fan of the disclosure movement then?!Quincel said:
My longest bet ever is that the sitting US President doesn't confirm the discovery of alien life by 2020. Placed in early 2013 with Paddy Power at 2/1.DavidL said:
Which side are you on? I would be on the "no" side. I suspect if we were going to find it we would have found traces of it by now.dyedwoolie said:
I've got about 6 years left on a 25 year bet that evidence of current life on Mars will be discoveredTheScreamingEagles said:
I think the longest bet I have is a private bet that we'll have rejoined the EU by 2030.DavidL said:
Ah, but I may not be alive by then. 5 years is a long, long time on an internet bet.TheScreamingEagles said:
Make it a decade.DavidL said:
Ok, its a long bet but if I will offer you evens on neither being convicted (let alone imprisoned) of a Brexit related offence within 5 years of this date. £50?TheScreamingEagles said:
Sure.DavidL said:
You wanting a bet on that?TheScreamingEagles said:
I remember not so long ago PB Leavers said Brexit would have been a success if Mrs May was replaced by David Davis or if Mrs May had let David Davis get on with Brexit.williamglenn said:
What fools.
The Brexit inquiry will see the likes of David Davis and Stewart Jackson locked up.
Come up with some terms/time frames and we can talk.
We need to cover the option if they recant their views or if there’s a drumhead style trial.
After all the publication of the Chilcot report was 12 years after Blair persuaded Parliament to support the invasion of Iraq.0 -
I will be very surprised indeed if the Greens don't take at least one seat in the SW. I would have said there's a non-trivial chance they could outflank Labour from the left and pick up two. Bristol and Stroud are happy hunting grounds for them, while there are going to be a lot of seriously pissed off lefties in Bournemouth plus students in Exeter and Plymouth to target as the only unambiguously pro-Remain party untainted by previous disasters.Sean_F said:
I'd expect a result in the South West along the lines of Brexit, Conservative, Labour, Brexit, Lib Dem or Green, Conservative.rcs1000 said:
Oopsjustin124 said:
There are actually six seats up in the SW region!rcs1000 said:
In the South west, he's almost certain not to be elected.brokenwheel said:
So he's only second. Good chance he won't get elected anyway.AndreaParma_82 said:Labour candidates for Euro elections
South West Region
Clare Moody MEP
Andrew Adonis
Jayne Kirkham
Neil Guild
Yvonne Atkinson
Sadik Al Hassan
There are only four seats up. Brexit will top the polls, and so get first shot at the second seat. And then there are the greens, the conservatives and the libdems.
The only real question is whether the libdems/greens get the fourth seat, or whether brexit gets it
If they lose their seat, they've had a pretty dismal night.0 -
It's a low income region. Polls show lower income people are the more concerned about no deal Brexit.Pro_Rata said:
The numbers I crunched from early polling actually suggested a 6 way split for SW, which amused me.rcs1000 said:
Oopsjustin124 said:
There are actually six seats up in the SW region!rcs1000 said:
In the South west, he's almost certain not to be elected.brokenwheel said:
So he's only second. Good chance he won't get elected anyway.AndreaParma_82 said:Labour candidates for Euro elections
South West Region
Clare Moody MEP
Andrew Adonis
Jayne Kirkham
Neil Guild
Yvonne Atkinson
Sadik Al Hassan
There are only four seats up. Brexit will top the polls, and so get first shot at the second seat. And then there are the greens, the conservatives and the libdems.
The only real question is whether the libdems/greens get the fourth seat, or whether brexit gets it
But again caveat: I used 2014 regional strengths and not early poillng subsets suggesting Brexit doing somewhat better in South and somewhat worse in North than 2014, and thus further suggesting the type of pure Tory -> Farage swing that was posited but didn't quite happen for GE 2015.
I'd fully expect Brexit to gain at least 2 MEPs in SW, maybe even 3.0 -
Sunil means "blue"! Who knew?!Recidivist said:
Only blue is usually the first colour to fade.rpjs said:
Unified Germany plus USSR and Yugoslavia plants it firmly to 1991, which means it’s fairly old. If it’s been on display on a wall all that time the colours could be as mundane as a wider range having faded away to just two.DecrepitJohnL said:
The blue vs white question makes it seem like a binary division but the photo looks more like there is a continuous range from white to blue with various shades in between.Scott_P said:
Talking of maps, can the PB brain trust solve this one?AlastairMeeks said:That’s a flag on the map you don’t get many chances at.
https://twitter.com/M_PaulMcNamara/status/11189329915925544970 -
If the blue-white division were meaningful it would be explained with a key. If there were a key there would be no mystery. Therefore it must be faded coloursrpjs said:
Different colour that faded to blue? I dunno how the half-lives of pigments work so it's just a guess!Recidivist said:
Only blue is usually the first colour to fade.rpjs said:
Unified Germany plus USSR and Yugoslavia plants it firmly to 1991, which means it’s fairly old. If it’s been on display on a wall all that time the colours could be as mundane as a wider range having faded away to just two.DecrepitJohnL said:
The blue vs white question makes it seem like a binary division but the photo looks more like there is a continuous range from white to blue with various shades in between.Scott_P said:
Talking of maps, can the PB brain trust solve this one?AlastairMeeks said:That’s a flag on the map you don’t get many chances at.
https://twitter.com/M_PaulMcNamara/status/1118932991592554497
The shade of blue looks very much like the cyan used in most paper printing. Therefore the yellow and magenta have faded to nothing.0 -
There is. It's an old map, that has been in a light spot on a wall for a long time. Originally each country had a unique colour, but the ink has faded and the blue pigment has outlast the other inks that have faded away.DecrepitJohnL said:
The blue vs white question makes it seem like a binary division but the photo looks more like there is a continuous range from white to blue with various shades in between.Scott_P said:
Talking of maps, can the PB brain trust solve this one?AlastairMeeks said:That’s a flag on the map you don’t get many chances at.
https://twitter.com/M_PaulMcNamara/status/11189329915925544970 -
There's been almost no deselections at Westminster level either - 11 deselected themselves, admittedly in some cases after votes of no confidence.anothernick said:
The Labour MEP selections are quite interesting and give some hope to those of us who hope that the party is not completely lost to the Corbynites. There has been no attempt to deselect sitting MEPs, despite the fact that hardly any of them are Corbyn supporters and the selection of Adonis, marmite though he is, in a potentially winnable position sends quite a powerful message to remainers and PV campaigners who might be thinking about switching to TIG or the Lib Dems.Foxy said:
Actually the second on the Labour EM list sounds decent too, Leonie Mathers. Hucknall born, former aide to Yvette Cooper. That may well be where my tactical vote goes. Under Dehondt a second Labour MEP may well be a a better outcome than the rather less likely Green or LD.Foxy said:The Labour MEP toping the EM list has a few things right:
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I think that's an unhelpful generalisation. The South West is pretty diverse. You have Cornwall, which I think is the poorest county in England and heavily reliant on tourism, but you have Bournemouth and Bristol which are both wealthy.IanB2 said:
It's a low income region. Polls show lower income people are the more concerned about no deal Brexit.Pro_Rata said:
The numbers I crunched from early polling actually suggested a 6 way split for SW, which amused me.rcs1000 said:
Oopsjustin124 said:
There are actually six seats up in the SW region!rcs1000 said:
In the South west, he's almost certain not to be elected.brokenwheel said:
So he's only second. Good chance he won't get elected anyway.AndreaParma_82 said:Labour candidates for Euro elections
South West Region
Clare Moody MEP
Andrew Adonis
Jayne Kirkham
Neil Guild
Yvonne Atkinson
Sadik Al Hassan
There are only four seats up. Brexit will top the polls, and so get first shot at the second seat. And then there are the greens, the conservatives and the libdems.
The only real question is whether the libdems/greens get the fourth seat, or whether brexit gets it
But again caveat: I used 2014 regional strengths and not early poillng subsets suggesting Brexit doing somewhat better in South and somewhat worse in North than 2014, and thus further suggesting the type of pure Tory -> Farage swing that was posited but didn't quite happen for GE 2015.
I'd fully expect Brexit to gain at least 2 MEPs in SW, maybe even 3.
The more pertinent point I would suggest is people across the whole area from Tewkesbury in the north right down to Falmouth tend to be very insular and parochial. What matters to them is what happens in their neighbourhood. Anywhere else, not of interest. They regard London with suspicion and freuqently dislike, never mind Brussels. Which is I would suggest why it has been one and the same time a Liberal Democrat stronghold and happy hunting ground for Brexit.-1 -
Well, we all know votes of no-confidence, even of five to one, are not binding in Labour.NickPalmer said:
There's been almost no deselections at Westminster level either - 11 deselected themselves, admittedly in some cases after votes of no confidence.anothernick said:
The Labour MEP selections are quite interesting and give some hope to those of us who hope that the party is not completely lost to the Corbynites. There has been no attempt to deselect sitting MEPs, despite the fact that hardly any of them are Corbyn supporters and the selection of Adonis, marmite though he is, in a potentially winnable position sends quite a powerful message to remainers and PV campaigners who might be thinking about switching to TIG or the Lib Dems.Foxy said:
Actually the second on the Labour EM list sounds decent too, Leonie Mathers. Hucknall born, former aide to Yvette Cooper. That may well be where my tactical vote goes. Under Dehondt a second Labour MEP may well be a a better outcome than the rather less likely Green or LD.Foxy said:The Labour MEP toping the EM list has a few things right:
https://twitter.com/Rory_Palmer/status/1118804272085389313?s=19
Just ask Mr Corbyn.0 -
Christ, you know you are having a bad day when you get called insular and parochial by a Welshman.ydoethur said:
I think that's an unhelpful generalisation. The South West is pretty diverse. You have Cornwall, which I think is the poorest county in England and heavily reliant on tourism, but you have Bournemouth and Bristol which are both wealthy.IanB2 said:
It's a low income region. Polls show lower income people are the more concerned about no deal Brexit.Pro_Rata said:
The numbers I crunched from early polling actually suggested a 6 way split for SW, which amused me.rcs1000 said:
Oopsjustin124 said:
There are actually six seats up in the SW region!rcs1000 said:
In the South west, he's almost certain not to be elected.brokenwheel said:
So he's only second. Good chance he won't get elected anyway.AndreaParma_82 said:Labour candidates for Euro elections
South West Region
Clare Moody MEP
Andrew Adonis
Jayne Kirkham
Neil Guild
Yvonne Atkinson
Sadik Al Hassan
There are only four seats up. Brexit will top the polls, and so get first shot at the second seat. And then there are the greens, the conservatives and the libdems.
The only real question is whether the libdems/greens get the fourth seat, or whether brexit gets it
But again caveat: I used 2014 regional strengths and not early poillng subsets suggesting Brexit doing somewhat better in South and somewhat worse in North than 2014, and thus further suggesting the type of pure Tory -> Farage swing that was posited but didn't quite happen for GE 2015.
I'd fully expect Brexit to gain at least 2 MEPs in SW, maybe even 3.
The more pertinent point I would suggest is people across the whole area from Tewkesbury in the north right down to Falmouth tend to be very insular and parochial. What matters to them is what happens in their neighbourhood. Anywhere else, not of interest. They regard London with suspicion and freuqently dislike, never mind Brussels. Which is I would suggest why it has been one and the same time a Liberal Democrat stronghold and happy hunting ground for Brexit.
You are right, mind you. I regard everything east of Exeter as abroad.0 -
Celtic innit. Its the British in them fighting the English over eastwardsydoethur said:
I think that's an unhelpful generalisation. The South West is pretty diverse. You have Cornwall, which I think is the poorest county in England and heavily reliant on tourism, but you have Bournemouth and Bristol which are both wealthy.IanB2 said:
It's a low income region. Polls show lower income people are the more concerned about no deal Brexit.Pro_Rata said:
The numbers I crunched from early polling actually suggested a 6 way split for SW, which amused me.rcs1000 said:
Oopsjustin124 said:
There are actually six seats up in the SW region!rcs1000 said:
In the South west, he's almost certain not to be elected.brokenwheel said:
So he's only second. Good chance he won't get elected anyway.AndreaParma_82 said:Labour candidates for Euro elections
South West Region
Clare Moody MEP
Andrew Adonis
Jayne Kirkham
Neil Guild
Yvonne Atkinson
Sadik Al Hassan
There are only four seats up. Brexit will top the polls, and so get first shot at the second seat. And then there are the greens, the conservatives and the libdems.
The only real question is whether the libdems/greens get the fourth seat, or whether brexit gets it
But again caveat: I used 2014 regional strengths and not early poillng subsets suggesting Brexit doing somewhat better in South and somewhat worse in North than 2014, and thus further suggesting the type of pure Tory -> Farage swing that was posited but didn't quite happen for GE 2015.
I'd fully expect Brexit to gain at least 2 MEPs in SW, maybe even 3.
The more pertinent point I would suggest is people across the whole area from Tewkesbury in the north right down to Falmouth tend to be very insular and parochial. What matters to them is what happens in their neighbourhood. Anywhere else, not of interest. They regard London with suspicion and freuqently dislike, never mind Brussels. Which is I would suggest why it has been one and the same time a Liberal Democrat stronghold and happy hunting ground for Brexit.0 -
Indeed! Also yet another reason I'd have preferred President Clinton. You never know what Trump will announce next...dyedwoolie said:
Not a fan of the disclosure movement then?!Quincel said:
My longest bet ever is that the sitting US President doesn't confirm the discovery of alien life by 2020. Placed in early 2013 with Paddy Power at 2/1.DavidL said:
Which side are you on? I would be on the "no" side. I suspect if we were going to find it we would have found traces of it by now.dyedwoolie said:
I've got about 6 years left on a 25 year bet that evidence of current life on Mars will be discoveredTheScreamingEagles said:
I think the longest bet I have is a private bet that we'll have rejoined the EU by 2030.DavidL said:
Ah, but I may not be alive by then. 5 years is a long, long time on an internet bet.TheScreamingEagles said:
Make it a decade.DavidL said:
Ok, its a long bet but if I will offer you evens on neither being convicted (let alone imprisoned) of a Brexit related offence within 5 years of this date. £50?TheScreamingEagles said:
Sure.DavidL said:
You wanting a bet on that?TheScreamingEagles said:
I remember not so long ago PB Leavers said Brexit would have been a success if Mrs May was replaced by David Davis or if Mrs May had let David Davis get on with Brexit.williamglenn said:
What fools.
The Brexit inquiry will see the likes of David Davis and Stewart Jackson locked up.
Come up with some terms/time frames and we can talk.
We need to cover the option if they recant their views or if there’s a drumhead style trial.
After all the publication of the Chilcot report was 12 years after Blair persuaded Parliament to support the invasion of Iraq.0 -
It's even worse than that. I'm a Welshman who was brought up in the Forest of Dean. There 'local' is the village, and further afield is 'way off.'Ishmael_Z said:
Christ, you know you are having a bad day when you get called insular and parochial by a Welshman.ydoethur said:The more pertinent point I would suggest is people across the whole area from Tewkesbury in the north right down to Falmouth tend to be very insular and parochial. What matters to them is what happens in their neighbourhood. Anywhere else, not of interest. They regard London with suspicion and freuqently dislike, never mind Brussels. Which is I would suggest why it has been one and the same time a Liberal Democrat stronghold and happy hunting ground for Brexit.
You are right, mind you. I regard everything east of Exeter as abroad.
Edit - true story. Many years ago I met a man in Kingham in Gloucestershire who must have been approaching sixty, who said he had only left Kingham once in his life. I was rather startled and asked where he had gone. 'Oh, way off,' he said. 'It were Chipping Norton.'
(Anyone who doesn't get it, look at a map.)0 -
Clinton's campaign director and Bill's chief of staff John Podesta is a big pusher for disclosure, Clinton of the Bill variety dropped a famously big hint about the supposed cover up in Ireland, he referred to a letter from a young boy about Roswell saying he hadn't been told either and he wants to know. The letter doesn't actually exist it transpiresQuincel said:
Indeed! Also yet another reason I'd have preferred President Clinton. You never know what Trump will announce next...dyedwoolie said:
Not a fan of the disclosure movement then?!Quincel said:
My longest bet ever is that the sitting US President doesn't confirm the discovery of alien life by 2020. Placed in early 2013 with Paddy Power at 2/1.DavidL said:
Which side are you on? I would be on the "no" side. I suspect if we were going to find it we would have found traces of it by now.dyedwoolie said:
I've got about 6 years left on a 25 year bet that evidence of current life on Mars will be discoveredTheScreamingEagles said:
I think the longest bet I have is a private bet that we'll have rejoined the EU by 2030.DavidL said:
Ah, but I may not be alive by then. 5 years is a long, long time on an internet bet.TheScreamingEagles said:
Make it a decade.DavidL said:
Ok, its a long bet but if I will offer you evens on neither being convicted (let alone imprisoned) of a Brexit related offence within 5 years of this date. £50?TheScreamingEagles said:
Sure.DavidL said:
You wanting a bet on that?TheScreamingEagles said:
I remember not so long ago PB Leavers said Brexit would have been a success if Mrs May was replaced by David Davis or if Mrs May had let David Davis get on with Brexit.williamglenn said:
What fools.
The Brexit inquiry will see the likes of David Davis and Stewart Jackson locked up.
Come up with some terms/time frames and we can talk.
We need to cover the option if they recant their views or if there’s a drumhead style trial.
After all the publication of the Chilcot report was 12 years after Blair persuaded Parliament to support the invasion of Iraq.0 -
The Lib Dems in the South West did not realise that a lot of their voters were eurosceptic.ydoethur said:
I think that's an unhelpful generalisation. The South West is pretty diverse. You have Cornwall, which I think is the poorest county in England and heavily reliant on tourism, but you have Bournemouth and Bristol which are both wealthy.IanB2 said:
It's a low income region. Polls show lower income people are the more concerned about no deal Brexit.Pro_Rata said:
The numbers I crunched from early polling actually suggested a 6 way split for SW, which amused me.rcs1000 said:
Oopsjustin124 said:
There are actually six seats up in the SW region!rcs1000 said:
In the South west, he's almost certain not to be elected.brokenwheel said:
So he's only second. Good chance he won't get elected anyway.AndreaParma_82 said:Labour candidates for Euro elections
South West Region
Clare Moody MEP
Andrew Adonis
Jayne Kirkham
Neil Guild
Yvonne Atkinson
Sadik Al Hassan
There are only four seats up. Brexit will top the polls, and so get first shot at the second seat. And then there are the greens, the conservatives and the libdems.
The only real question is whether the libdems/greens get the fourth seat, or whether brexit gets it
But again caveat: I used 2014 regional strengths and not early poillng subsets suggesting Brexit doing somewhat better in South and somewhat worse in North than 2014, and thus further suggesting the type of pure Tory -> Farage swing that was posited but didn't quite happen for GE 2015.
I'd fully expect Brexit to gain at least 2 MEPs in SW, maybe even 3.
The more pertinent point I would suggest is people across the whole area from Tewkesbury in the north right down to Falmouth tend to be very insular and parochial. What matters to them is what happens in their neighbourhood. Anywhere else, not of interest. They regard London with suspicion and freuqently dislike, never mind Brussels. Which is I would suggest why it has been one and the same time a Liberal Democrat stronghold and happy hunting ground for Brexit.0 -
Attenborough. A slightly annoying mixture of the portentous and the alarming. But still.
I need to stop buying air freighted vegetables. Should they have to bear a logo showing that they are?
I need to cut back on beef (lamb already off the agenda for health reasons).
I need to think seriously about and investigate the cost of renewable energy tariffs.
I will not buy another diesel car.
What else? There must be more. Most of the damage to the climate is not happening here. Surely our aid budget should be focused on reducing the extent of climate change by protecting forests, improving recycling in the third world, helping them to develop renewable energy systems etc.0 -
I shook on a bet, whose take up was conditional on Scottish independence, that an independent Scotland woul have a Conservative or successor party government within 20 years of going it alone.
Even though the condition that would have triggered the bet into life was not met, I feel very well vindicated by Scottish Polling these days.0 -
"Oh no, you did NOT shoot that green shit at me!"DavidL said:Attenborough. A slightly annoying mixture of the portentous and the alarming. But still.
I need to stop buying air freighted vegetables. Should they have to bear a logo showing that they are?
I need to cut back on beef (lamb already off the agenda for health reasons).
I need to think seriously about and investigate the cost of renewable energy tariffs.
I will not buy another diesel car.
What else? There must be more. Most of the damage to the climate is not happening here. Surely our aid budget should be focused on reducing the extent of climate change by protecting forests, improving recycling in the third world, helping them to develop renewable energy systems etc.
- Will Smith in "Independence Day".0 -
The most regular pollsters in Scotland appear to be Survation and Panelbase.felix said:
The most recent polls show both Tories and SNP stable or rising with Labour falling - so actually - very clear.justin124 said:
The polling evidence - for Westminster elections in Scotland - is not that clear at all , but Labour have recently experienced two poor Local By election results there.felix said:
One makes as much of it as of any other anecdote which flies in the face of opinion poll and other local election evidence all of which suggests Labour is going backwards in Scotland.justin124 said:I have found an interesting comment from Vote UK Forum:
'It is the view of a few SNP MPs in this area - and I agree with them - that if it looks likely Labour will win the next election, Labour will take around a dozen seats off the SNP in the Clyde valley area.'
People can make of that what they wish!
Survation's most recent surveys -
01/03/19 - 04/03/19 - SNP 40 Con 24 Lab 23 LD 8
09/11/18 - 13/11/18 - SNP 39 Con26 Lab 24 LD 8
20/10/18 - 02/11/18 - SNP 40 Con 27 Lab 23 LD 7
18/10/18 - 21/10/18 - SNP 36.5 Con 27.5 Lab 26 LD 7.5
03/10/18 - 05/10/18 - SNP 37 Con 28 Lab 26 LD 6
28/09/18 - 02/10/18 - SNP 41 Con 26 Lab 24 LD 7
05/07/18 - 10/07/18 - SNP 42 Con 24 Lab 23 LD 8
I am not sure that I can see a clear trend over that 8 month period.
Panelbase most recent surveys-
28/02/19 - 06/03/19 - SNP 37 Con 27 Lab 22 LD 7
30/11/18 - 05/12/18 - SNP 37 Con 26 Lab 26 LD 6
02/11/18 - 07/11/18 - SNP 37 Con 28 Lab 25 LD 7
28/09/18 - 04/10/18 - SNP 38 Con 27 Lab 24 LD 6
21/06/18 - 26/06/18 - SNP 38 Con 27 Lab 25 LD 7
Again , there is not much which stands out there - maybe a slight dip in Labour support at beginning of March but that coincided with the TIG defections and the latest anti-Semitic row and was reflected in a drop in Labour support across GB with the Tories taking a clear lead for a few weeks. Nothing Scotland specific there - and there has been no recent polling.
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He left that to Julian Assange.Sunil_Prasannan said:
"Oh no, you did NOT shoot that green shit at me!"DavidL said:Attenborough. A slightly annoying mixture of the portentous and the alarming. But still.
I need to stop buying air freighted vegetables. Should they have to bear a logo showing that they are?
I need to cut back on beef (lamb already off the agenda for health reasons).
I need to think seriously about and investigate the cost of renewable energy tariffs.
I will not buy another diesel car.
What else? There must be more. Most of the damage to the climate is not happening here. Surely our aid budget should be focused on reducing the extent of climate change by protecting forests, improving recycling in the third world, helping them to develop renewable energy systems etc.
- Will Smith in "Independence Day".0 -
The key difference in my mind is that Trump might announce it as soon as he was told, whereas Clinton would have spent 6-12 months waiting on formal confirmation if it was a new discovery or probably gone along with the coverup if they know already.dyedwoolie said:
Clinton's campaign director and Bill's chief of staff John Podesta is a big pusher for disclosure, Clinton of the Bill variety dropped a famously big hint about the supposed cover up in Ireland, he referred to a letter from a young boy about Roswell saying he hadn't been told either and he wants to know. The letter doesn't actually exist it transpires0 -
Clinton is very deep state so yeah she'd do as shes told! Trump is a loose cannon for sureQuincel said:
The key difference in my mind is that Trump might announce it as soon as he was told, whereas Clinton would have spent 6-12 months waiting on formal confirmation if it was a new discovery or probably gone along with the coverup if they know already.dyedwoolie said:
Clinton's campaign director and Bill's chief of staff John Podesta is a big pusher for disclosure, Clinton of the Bill variety dropped a famously big hint about the supposed cover up in Ireland, he referred to a letter from a young boy about Roswell saying he hadn't been told either and he wants to know. The letter doesn't actually exist it transpires0 -
A few years ago the University of Lund published a study focused on what personal steps make the biggest difference. One of the 5 big hitters was, surprisingly, moving to green energy. And for me at least the cost difference is well under £50 per year via the price comparison sites. The others were (in no order):DavidL said:Attenborough. A slightly annoying mixture of the portentous and the alarming. But still.
I need to stop buying air freighted vegetables. Should they have to bear a logo showing that they are?
I need to cut back on beef (lamb already off the agenda for health reasons).
I need to think seriously about and investigate the cost of renewable energy tariffs.
I will not buy another diesel car.
What else? There must be more. Most of the damage to the climate is not happening here. Surely our aid budget should be focused on reducing the extent of climate change by protecting forests, improving recycling in the third world, helping them to develop renewable energy systems etc.
1. Ditching a car;
2. Going vegan;
3. Stopping flying ('Cutting one transatlantic flight per year'); and
4. Having one fewer child (By far the most controversial and possibly the most significant).
Even if you ignore #4 as harder to measure and more unpredictable (who knows what lifestyle choices they will make and what technology will be available to them) I think the others are a solid evidence-based roadmap for trying to have a serious impact on a personal level. I'm up to about 2.5 out of 4 (not vegan or even veggie, still fly sometimes, green electricity but gas heating). I hope to stop flying after a family trip this year, but it can be surprisingly difficult societally to turn down certain family or work trips.
https://www.lunduniversity.lu.se/article/the-four-lifestyle-choices-that-most-reduce-your-carbon-footprint0 -
Humanity could just have a mass suicide pact! That'd solve the problem!DavidL said:Attenborough. A slightly annoying mixture of the portentous and the alarming. But still.
I need to stop buying air freighted vegetables. Should they have to bear a logo showing that they are?
I need to cut back on beef (lamb already off the agenda for health reasons).
I need to think seriously about and investigate the cost of renewable energy tariffs.
I will not buy another diesel car.
What else? There must be more. Most of the damage to the climate is not happening here. Surely our aid budget should be focused on reducing the extent of climate change by protecting forests, improving recycling in the third world, helping them to develop renewable energy systems etc.
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LOL "The South West is pretty diverse..." followed by "...people across the whole area from Tewkesbury in the north right down to Falmouth tend to be very insular and parochial"ydoethur said:
I think that's an unhelpful generalisation. The South West is pretty diverse. You have Cornwall, which I think is the poorest county in England and heavily reliant on tourism, but you have Bournemouth and Bristol which are both wealthy.IanB2 said:
It's a low income region. Polls show lower income people are the more concerned about no deal Brexit.Pro_Rata said:
The numbers I crunched from early polling actually suggested a 6 way split for SW, which amused me.rcs1000 said:
Oopsjustin124 said:
There are actually six seats up in the SW region!rcs1000 said:
In the South west, he's almost certain not to be elected.brokenwheel said:
So he's only second. Good chance he won't get elected anyway.AndreaParma_82 said:Labour candidates for Euro elections
South West Region
Clare Moody MEP
Andrew Adonis
Jayne Kirkham
Neil Guild
Yvonne Atkinson
Sadik Al Hassan
There are only four seats up. Brexit will top the polls, and so get first shot at the second seat. And then there are the greens, the conservatives and the libdems.
The only real question is whether the libdems/greens get the fourth seat, or whether brexit gets it
But again caveat: I used 2014 regional strengths and not early poillng subsets suggesting Brexit doing somewhat better in South and somewhat worse in North than 2014, and thus further suggesting the type of pure Tory -> Farage swing that was posited but didn't quite happen for GE 2015.
I'd fully expect Brexit to gain at least 2 MEPs in SW, maybe even 3.
The more pertinent point I would suggest is people across the whole area from Tewkesbury in the north right down to Falmouth tend to be very insular and parochial. What matters to them is what happens in their neighbourhood. Anywhere else, not of interest. They regard London with suspicion and freuqently dislike, never mind Brussels. Which is I would suggest why it has been one and the same time a Liberal Democrat stronghold and happy hunting ground for Brexit.0 -
If you believe some reports then we already do. Other reports are less alarmist, but the consensus ones are plenty bad imho.GIN1138 said:
Humanity could just have a mass suicide pact! That'd solve the problem!DavidL said:Attenborough. A slightly annoying mixture of the portentous and the alarming. But still.
I need to stop buying air freighted vegetables. Should they have to bear a logo showing that they are?
I need to cut back on beef (lamb already off the agenda for health reasons).
I need to think seriously about and investigate the cost of renewable energy tariffs.
I will not buy another diesel car.
What else? There must be more. Most of the damage to the climate is not happening here. Surely our aid budget should be focused on reducing the extent of climate change by protecting forests, improving recycling in the third world, helping them to develop renewable energy systems etc.0 -
Thanks. I will get onto renewable tariffs tomorrow. It will be embarrassing if the difference is that small. My wife's car is clapped out. We will look to replace it with at least a hybrid. She almost exclusively does town driving so that should work. Veganism is frankly not going to happen and my contribution to population growth (3) is already fixed. But more fish and less meat is already indicated.Quincel said:
A few years ago the University of Lund published a study focused on what personal steps make the biggest difference. One of the 5 big hitters was, surprisingly, moving to green energy. And for me at least the cost difference is well under £50 per year via the price comparison sites. The others were (in no order):DavidL said:Attenborough. A slightly annoying mixture of the portentous and the alarming. But still.
I need to stop buying air freighted vegetables. Should they have to bear a logo showing that they are?
I need to cut back on beef (lamb already off the agenda for health reasons).
I need to think seriously about and investigate the cost of renewable energy tariffs.
I will not buy another diesel car.
What else? There must be more. Most of the damage to the climate is not happening here. Surely our aid budget should be focused on reducing the extent of climate change by protecting forests, improving recycling in the third world, helping them to develop renewable energy systems etc.
1. Ditching a car;
2. Going vegan;
3. Stopping flying ('Cutting one transatlantic flight per year'); and
4. Having one fewer child (By far the most controversial and possibly the most significant).
Even if you ignore #4 as harder to measure and more unpredictable (who knows what lifestyle choices they will make and what technology will be available to them) I think the others are a solid evidence-based roadmap for trying to have a serious impact on a personal level. I'm up to about 3 out of 4 (not vegan or even veggie, still fly sometimes, green electricity but gas heating).
https://www.lunduniversity.lu.se/article/the-four-lifestyle-choices-that-most-reduce-your-carbon-footprint0 -
I guess a Labour candidate is likely to win if the contest is held in the current parliament. It is Labour's turn to provide a speaker, and they will be more likely to unite behind one of their own than the Tories, who will inevitably see the contest through the prism of Brexit and try to elect a leaver.HYUFD said:My MP Dame Eleanor Laing as Deputy Speaker is certainly in the running to succeed Bercow and would do an excellent job (she was also a Leaver but backed May's Deal)
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Or there's always the giant comet associated with the Taurid meteor stream...GIN1138 said:
Humanity could just have a mass suicide pact! That'd solve the problem!DavidL said:Attenborough. A slightly annoying mixture of the portentous and the alarming. But still.
I need to stop buying air freighted vegetables. Should they have to bear a logo showing that they are?
I need to cut back on beef (lamb already off the agenda for health reasons).
I need to think seriously about and investigate the cost of renewable energy tariffs.
I will not buy another diesel car.
What else? There must be more. Most of the damage to the climate is not happening here. Surely our aid budget should be focused on reducing the extent of climate change by protecting forests, improving recycling in the third world, helping them to develop renewable energy systems etc.0 -
Or just maybe Thanos had a point.GIN1138 said:
Humanity could just have a mass suicide pact! That'd solve the problem!DavidL said:Attenborough. A slightly annoying mixture of the portentous and the alarming. But still.
I need to stop buying air freighted vegetables. Should they have to bear a logo showing that they are?
I need to cut back on beef (lamb already off the agenda for health reasons).
I need to think seriously about and investigate the cost of renewable energy tariffs.
I will not buy another diesel car.
What else? There must be more. Most of the damage to the climate is not happening here. Surely our aid budget should be focused on reducing the extent of climate change by protecting forests, improving recycling in the third world, helping them to develop renewable energy systems etc.0 -
DamnBenpointer said:
LOL "The South West is pretty diverse..." followed by "...people across the whole area from Tewkesbury in the north right down to Falmouth tend to be very insular and parochial"ydoethur said:
I think that's an unhelpful generalisation. The South West is pretty diverse. You have Cornwall, which I think is the poorest county in England and heavily reliant on tourism, but you have Bournemouth and Bristol which are both wealthy.IanB2 said:
It's a low income region. Polls show lower income people are the more concerned about no deal Brexit.Pro_Rata said:
The numbers I crunched from early polling actually suggested a 6 way split for SW, which amused me.rcs1000 said:
Oopsjustin124 said:
There are actually six seats up in the SW region!rcs1000 said:
In the South west, he's almost certain not to be elected.brokenwheel said:
So he's only second. Good chance he won't get elected anyway.AndreaParma_82 said:Labour candidates for Euro elections
South West Region
Clare Moody MEP
Andrew Adonis
Jayne Kirkham
Neil Guild
Yvonne Atkinson
Sadik Al Hassan
There are only four seats up. Brexit will top the polls, and so get first shot at the second seat. And then there are the greens, the conservatives and the libdems.
The only real question is whether the libdems/greens get the fourth seat, or whether brexit gets it
But again caveat: I used 2014 regional strengths and not early poillng subsets suggesting Brexit doing somewhat better in South and somewhat worse in North than 2014, and thus further suggesting the type of pure Tory -> Farage swing that was posited but didn't quite happen for GE 2015.
I'd fully expect Brexit to gain at least 2 MEPs in SW, maybe even 3.
The more pertinent point I would suggest is people across the whole area from Tewkesbury in the north right down to Falmouth tend to be very insular and parochial. What matters to them is what happens in their neighbourhood. Anywhere else, not of interest. They regard London with suspicion and freuqently dislike, never mind Brussels. Which is I would suggest why it has been one and the same time a Liberal Democrat stronghold and happy hunting ground for Brexit.
Although in all seriousness, one reason it is so diverse is because it is so parochial.
It's more amusing really that I've criticised somebody else for generalising...0 -
We all do it.ydoethur said:
DamnBenpointer said:
LOL "The South West is pretty diverse..." followed by "...people across the whole area from Tewkesbury in the north right down to Falmouth tend to be very insular and parochial"ydoethur said:
I think that's an unhelpful generalisation. The South West is pretty diverse. You have Cornwall, which I think is the poorest county in England and heavily reliant on tourism, but you have Bournemouth and Bristol which are both wealthy.IanB2 said:
It's a low income region. Polls show lower income people are the more concerned about no deal Brexit.Pro_Rata said:
The numbers I crunched from early polling actually suggested a 6 way split for SW, which amused me.rcs1000 said:
Oopsjustin124 said:
There are actually six seats up in the SW region!rcs1000 said:
In the South west, he's almost certain not to be elected.brokenwheel said:
So he's only second. Good chance he won't get elected anyway.AndreaParma_82 said:
Clare Moody MEP
Andrew Adonis
Jayne Kirkham
Neil Guild
Yvonne Atkinson
Sadik Al Hassan
There are only four seats up. Brexit will top the polls, and so get first shot at the second seat. And then there are the greens, the conservatives and the libdems.
The only real question is whether the libdems/greens get the fourth seat, or whether brexit gets it
But again caveat: I used 2014 regional strengths and not early poillng subsets suggesting Brexit doing somewhat better in South and somewhat worse in North than 2014, and thus further suggesting the type of pure Tory -> Farage swing that was posited but didn't quite happen for GE 2015.
I'd fully expect Brexit to gain at least 2 MEPs in SW, maybe even 3.
The more pertinent point I would suggest is people across the whole area from Tewkesbury in the north right down to Falmouth tend to be very insular and parochial. What matters to them is what happens in their neighbourhood. Anywhere else, not of interest. They regard London with suspicion and freuqently dislike, never mind Brussels. Which is I would suggest why it has been one and the same time a Liberal Democrat stronghold and happy hunting ground for Brexit.
Although in all seriousness, one reason it is so diverse is because it is so parochial.
It's more amusing really that I've criticised somebody else for generalising...
This part of the SW (Dorset) is not especially anti-London imo because quite a few people have moved here from London and many others work or used to work in London.0 -
As a childless meat eater I reckon I'm doing more than a vegan with a gaggle of sprogs.Quincel said:
A few years ago the University of Lund published a study focused on what personal steps make the biggest difference. One of the 5 big hitters was, surprisingly, moving to green energy. And for me at least the cost difference is well under £50 per year via the price comparison sites. The others were (in no order):DavidL said:Attenborough. A slightly annoying mixture of the portentous and the alarming. But still.
I need to stop buying air freighted vegetables. Should they have to bear a logo showing that they are?
I need to cut back on beef (lamb already off the agenda for health reasons).
I need to think seriously about and investigate the cost of renewable energy tariffs.
I will not buy another diesel car.
What else? There must be more. Most of the damage to the climate is not happening here. Surely our aid budget should be focused on reducing the extent of climate change by protecting forests, improving recycling in the third world, helping them to develop renewable energy systems etc.
1. Ditching a car;
2. Going vegan;
3. Stopping flying ('Cutting one transatlantic flight per year'); and
4. Having one fewer child (By far the most controversial and possibly the most significant).
Even if you ignore #4 as harder to measure and more unpredictable (who knows what lifestyle choices they will make and what technology will be available to them) I think the others are a solid evidence-based roadmap for trying to have a serious impact on a personal level. I'm up to about 2.5 out of 4 (not vegan or even veggie, still fly sometimes, green electricity but gas heating). I hope to stop flying after a family trip this year, but it can be surprisingly difficult societally to turn down certain family or work trips.
https://www.lunduniversity.lu.se/article/the-four-lifestyle-choices-that-most-reduce-your-carbon-footprint
Human extinction is the best solution to the earth's problems.0 -
And yet elsewhere that is itself a source of tension because incomers push up property prices (or buy second homes/holiday lets) which freeze out the locals.Benpointer said:This part of the SW (Dorset) is not especially anti-London imo because quite a few people have moved here from London and many others work or used to work in London.
Good night one and all.0 -
I salute your attitude. Veganism does not have to happen to make a contribution. Try one meal a week to start with. The range, quality and availability of ingredients has improved markedly recently. Quorn sausage toad in the hole is good, as is quorn curry with coconut milk. And there are plenty of types of tofu in supermarkets for stir fries.DavidL said:
Thanks. I will get onto renewable tariffs tomorrow. It will be embarrassing if the difference is that small. My wife's car is clapped out. We will look to replace it with at least a hybrid. She almost exclusively does town driving so that should work. Veganism is frankly not going to happen and my contribution to population growth (3) is already fixed. But more fish and less meat is already indicated.Quincel said:
A few years ago the University of Lund published a study focused on what personal steps make the biggest difference. One of the 5 big hitters was, surprisingly, moving to green energy. And for me at least the cost difference is well under £50 per year via the price comparison sites. The others were (in no order):DavidL said:Attenborough. A slightly annoying mixture of the portentous and the alarming. But still.
I need to stop buying air freighted vegetables. Should they have to bear a logo showing that they are?
I need to cut back on beef (lamb already off the agenda for health reasons).
I need to think seriously about and investigate the cost of renewable energy tariffs.
I will not buy another diesel car.
What else? There must be more. Most of the damage to the climate is not happening here. Surely our aid budget should be focused on reducing the extent of climate change by protecting forests, improving recycling in the third world, helping them to develop renewable energy systems etc.
1. Ditching a car;
2. Going vegan;
3. Stopping flying ('Cutting one transatlantic flight per year'); and
4. Having one fewer child (By far the most controversial and possibly the most significant).
Even if you ignore #4 as harder to measure and more unpredictable (who knows what lifestyle choices they will make and what technology will be available to them) I think the others are a solid evidence-based roadmap for trying to have a serious impact on a personal level. I'm up to about 3 out of 4 (not vegan or even veggie, still fly sometimes, green electricity but gas heating).
https://www.lunduniversity.lu.se/article/the-four-lifestyle-choices-that-most-reduce-your-carbon-footprint
Ps, I speak as a lapsed vegan.0 -
Re: cars I'd also suggest considering an e-bike. You can get trailers/pannier bags etc for cargo, and I know lot of people who have tried them for replacing one car have been converts. Not sure if you can hire one for a month or something to trial it.DavidL said:
Thanks. I will get onto renewable tariffs tomorrow. It will be embarrassing if the difference is that small. My wife's car is clapped out. We will look to replace it with at least a hybrid. She almost exclusively does town driving so that should work. Veganism is frankly not going to happen and my contribution to population growth (3) is already fixed. But more fish and less meat is already indicated.Quincel said:
A few years ago the University of Lund published a study focused on what personal steps make the biggest difference. One of the 5 big hitters was, surprisingly, moving to green energy. And for me at least the cost difference is well under £50 per year via the price comparison sites. The others were (in no order):DavidL said:Attenborough. A slightly annoying mixture of the portentous and the alarming. But still.
I need to stop buying air freighted vegetables. Should they have to bear a logo showing that they are?
I need to cut back on beef (lamb already off the agenda for health reasons).
I need to think seriously about and investigate the cost of renewable energy tariffs.
I will not buy another diesel car.
What else? There must be more. Most of the damage to the climate is not happening here. Surely our aid budget should be focused on reducing the extent of climate change by protecting forests, improving recycling in the third world, helping them to develop renewable energy systems etc.
1. Ditching a car;
2. Going vegan;
3. Stopping flying ('Cutting one transatlantic flight per year'); and
4. Having one fewer child (By far the most controversial and possibly the most significant).
Even if you ignore #4 as harder to measure and more unpredictable (who knows what lifestyle choices they will make and what technology will be available to them) I think the others are a solid evidence-based roadmap for trying to have a serious impact on a personal level. I'm up to about 3 out of 4 (not vegan or even veggie, still fly sometimes, green electricity but gas heating).
https://www.lunduniversity.lu.se/article/the-four-lifestyle-choices-that-most-reduce-your-carbon-footprint0 -
Perhaps a histogram would have been better.Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/TheAmadisKay/status/1118898590271836160AlastairMeeks said:The redacting isn't perfect. Page 188 of volume 1 is very fully redacted but the index at the start tells you it's about wikileaks.
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Yes, it is a source of tension but it does also add to the diversity of views; the incomers have a vote too!ydoethur said:
And yet elsewhere that is itself a source of tension because incomers push up property prices (or buy second homes/holiday lets) which freeze out the locals.Benpointer said:This part of the SW (Dorset) is not especially anti-London imo because quite a few people have moved here from London and many others work or used to work in London.
Good night one and all.0 -
Looks like a DNA read-out to me.viewcode said:
Perhaps a histogram would have been better.Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/TheAmadisKay/status/1118898590271836160AlastairMeeks said:The redacting isn't perfect. Page 188 of volume 1 is very fully redacted but the index at the start tells you it's about wikileaks.
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It's a good observation, It reminds me of something interesting, something relevant, something, oh, oh, let me think, oh I know! (snaps fingers)DavidL said:
Or just maybe Thanos had a point.GIN1138 said:
Humanity could just have a mass suicide pact! That'd solve the problem!DavidL said:Attenborough. A slightly annoying mixture of the portentous and the alarming. But still.
I need to stop buying air freighted vegetables. Should they have to bear a logo showing that they are?
I need to cut back on beef (lamb already off the agenda for health reasons).
I need to think seriously about and investigate the cost of renewable energy tariffs.
I will not buy another diesel car.
What else? There must be more. Most of the damage to the climate is not happening here. Surely our aid budget should be focused on reducing the extent of climate change by protecting forests, improving recycling in the third world, helping them to develop renewable energy systems etc.
Pause.
Oh, bugger...
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anothernick said:
It is Labour's turn to provide a speaker....
They've had three in a row now, stretching back almost 30 years.
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Even MPs are going for him now? They're losing it. What plans does he have besides faux churchillian rhetoric?williamglenn said:0 -
Kingham is in Oxfordshire.ydoethur said:
It's even worse than that. I'm a Welshman who was brought up in the Forest of Dean. There 'local' is the village, and further afield is 'way off.'Ishmael_Z said:
Christ, you know you are having a bad day when you get called insular and parochial by a Welshman.ydoethur said:The more pertinent point I would suggest is people across the whole area from Tewkesbury in the north right down to Falmouth tend to be very insular and parochial. What matters to them is what happens in their neighbourhood. Anywhere else, not of interest. They regard London with suspicion and freuqently dislike, never mind Brussels. Which is I would suggest why it has been one and the same time a Liberal Democrat stronghold and happy hunting ground for Brexit.
You are right, mind you. I regard everything east of Exeter as abroad.
Edit - true story. Many years ago I met a man in Kingham in Gloucestershire who must have been approaching sixty, who said he had only left Kingham once in his life. I was rather startled and asked where he had gone. 'Oh, way off,' he said. 'It were Chipping Norton.'
(Anyone who doesn't get it, look at a map.)0 -
Possibly, there were strong rumours of attempted shenanigans, though these were defeated.anothernick said:
The Labour MEP selections are quite interesting and give some hope to those of us who hope that the party is not completely lost to the Corbynites. There has been no attempt to deselect sitting MEPs, despite the fact that hardly any of them are Corbyn supporters and the selection of Adonis, marmite though he is, in a potentially winnable position sends quite a powerful message to remainers and PV campaigners who might be thinking about switching to TIG or the Lib Dems.Foxy said:
Actually the second on the Labour EM list sounds decent too, Leonie Mathers. Hucknall born, former aide to Yvette Cooper. That may well be where my tactical vote goes. Under Dehondt a second Labour MEP may well be a a better outcome than the rather less likely Green or LD.Foxy said:The Labour MEP toping the EM list has a few things right:
https://twitter.com/Rory_Palmer/status/1118804272085389313?s=19
https://twitter.com/sarah_richens/status/1118215909385101314?s=19
After Attenborough, I may think a little harder.I may go Green. I am no fan of Newton Dunn who is top on the LD list.0 -
I thought that to. I think it's for an orange overweight elderly man...Benpointer said:
Looks like a DNA read-out to me.viewcode said:
Perhaps a histogram would have been better.Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/TheAmadisKay/status/1118898590271836160AlastairMeeks said:The redacting isn't perfect. Page 188 of volume 1 is very fully redacted but the index at the start tells you it's about wikileaks.
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Its not their fault Bercow is so hostile to his former party whenever he gets the chance.Andrew said:anothernick said:It is Labour's turn to provide a speaker....
They've had three in a row now, stretching back almost 30 years.0 -
Blunt is wasting his time. Bercow is protected by Tory Remainers like Grieve, Letwin and Clarke acting alongside Labour etc. Trying to remove him is a sign of the intellectual bankruptcy of MPs on all sides of the House just as allowing him to stay despite his evident bias on matters like Brexit brings British politics into disrepute and makes it at international laughing stock.0
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So the anger at pivoting to trying a deal with labour.. how do they propose to pass a deal without that given they cannot make the EU give the DUP what they want? Given no deal will not be supported either.HYUFD said:0 -
Yes, Med temperatures in the South, saving on holiday bills and a boost for English wine, albeit with greater risk of flooding too.Quincel said:
If you believe some reports then we already do. Other reports are less alarmist, but the consensus ones are plenty bad imho.GIN1138 said:
Humanity could just have a mass suicide pact! That'd solve the problem!DavidL said:Attenborough. A slightly annoying mixture of the portentous and the alarming. But still.
I need to stop buying air freighted vegetables. Should they have to bear a logo showing that they are?
I need to cut back on beef (lamb already off the agenda for health reasons).
I need to think seriously about and investigate the cost of renewable energy tariffs.
I will not buy another diesel car.
What else? There must be more. Most of the damage to the climate is not happening here. Surely our aid budget should be focused on reducing the extent of climate change by protecting forests, improving recycling in the third world, helping them to develop renewable energy systems etc.
In any case it is China, the USA and India who need to move to more renewables, what we do will make little difference either way0 -
Linda McCartney sausages are far better than quorn, and make a fine toad in the hole.dixiedean said:
I salute your attitude. Veganism does not have to happen to make a contribution. Try one meal a week to start with. The range, quality and availability of ingredients has improved markedly recently. Quorn sausage toad in the hole is good, as is quorn curry with coconut milk. And there are plenty of types of tofu in supermarkets for stir fries.DavidL said:
Thanks. I will get onto renewable tariffs tomorrow. It will be embarrassing if the difference is that small. My wife's car is clapped out. We will look to replace it with at least a hybrid. She almost exclusively does town driving so that should work. Veganism is frankly not going to happen and my contribution to population growth (3) is already fixed. But more fish and less meat is already indicated.Quincel said:
A few years ago the University of Lund published a study focused on what personal steps make the biggest difference. One of the 5 big hitters was, surprisingly, moving to green energy. And for me at least the cost difference is well under £50 per year via the price comparison sites. The others were (in no order):DavidL said:Attenborough. A slightly annoying mixture of the portentous and the alarming. But still.
I need to stop buying air freighted vegetables. Should they have to bear a logo showing that they are?
I need to cut back on beef (lamb already off the agenda for health reasons).
I need to think seriously about and investigate the cost of renewable energy tariffs.
I will not buy another diesel car.
What else? There must be more. Most of the damage to the climate is not happening here. Surely our aid budget should be focused on reducing the extent of climate change by protecting forests, improving recycling in the third world, helping them to develop renewable energy systems etc.
1. Ditching a car;
2. Going vegan;
3. Stopping flying ('Cutting one transatlantic flight per year'); and
4. Having one fewer child (By far the most controversial and possibly the most significant).
Even if you ignore #4 as harder to measure and more unpredictable (who knows what lifestyle choices they will make and what technology will be available to them) I think the others are a solid evidence-based roadmap for trying to have a serious impact on a personal level. I'm up to about 3 out of 4 (not vegan or even veggie, still fly sometimes, green electricity but gas heating).
https://www.lunduniversity.lu.se/article/the-four-lifestyle-choices-that-most-reduce-your-carbon-footprint
Ps, I speak as a lapsed vegan.0 -
Bercow has effectively already been a Labour Speaker, the Tories wanted Sir George Young and before Bercow we had 2 more Labour Speakers, Michael Martin and Betty Boothroydanothernick said:
I guess a Labour candidate is likely to win if the contest is held in the current parliament. It is Labour's turn to provide a speaker, and they will be more likely to unite behind one of their own than the Tories, who will inevitably see the contest through the prism of Brexit and try to elect a leaver.HYUFD said:My MP Dame Eleanor Laing as Deputy Speaker is certainly in the running to succeed Bercow and would do an excellent job (she was also a Leaver but backed May's Deal)
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It does not need to be supported, No Deal is the default still if the Withdrawal Agreement is not passed by the end of October, the Commons can request another extension but that relies on the EU agreeing again and Macron not vetoing this timekle4 said:
So the anger at pivoting to trying a deal with labour.. how do they propose to pass a deal without that given they cannot make the EU give the DUP what they want? Given no deal will not be supported either.HYUFD said:0 -
Very complacent attitude, and quite a lot of progress on climate change with many emerging economies. Trump is a selfish dumbass but we all knew that already.HYUFD said:
Yes, Med temperatures in the South, saving on holiday bills and a boost for English wine, albeit with greater risk of flooding too.Quincel said:
If you believe some reports then we already do. Other reports are less alarmist, but the consensus ones are plenty bad imho.GIN1138 said:
Humanity could just have a mass suicide pact! That'd solve the problem!DavidL said:Attenborough. A slightly annoying mixture of the portentous and the alarming. But still.
I need to stop buying air freighted vegetables. Should they have to bear a logo showing that they are?
I need to cut back on beef (lamb already off the agenda for health reasons).
I need to think seriously about and investigate the cost of renewable energy tariffs.
I will not buy another diesel car.
What else? There must be more. Most of the damage to the climate is not happening here. Surely our aid budget should be focused on reducing the extent of climate change by protecting forests, improving recycling in the third world, helping them to develop renewable energy systems etc.
In any case it is China, the USA and India who need to move to more renewables, what we do will make little difference either way0 -
DavidL said:
Thanks. I will get onto renewable tariffs tomorrow. It will be embarrassing if the difference is that small. My wife's car is clapped out. We will look to replace it with at least a hybrid. She almost exclusively does town driving so that should work. Veganism is frankly not going to happen and my contribution to population growth (3) is already fixed. But more fish and less meat is already indicated.Quincel said:
A few years ago the University of Lund published a study focused on what personal steps make the biggest difference. One of the 5 big hitters was, surprisingly, moving to green energy. And for me at least the cost difference is well under £50 per year via the price comparison sites. The others were (in no order):DavidL said:Attenborough. A slightly annoying mixture of the portentous and the alarming. But still.
I need to stop buying air freighted vegetables. Should they have to bear a logo showing that they are?
I need to cut back on beef (lamb already off the agenda for health reasons).
I need to think seriously about and investigate the cost of renewable energy tariffs.
I will not buy another diesel car.
What else? There must be more. Most of the damage to the climate is not happening here. Surely our aid budget should be focused on reducing the extent of climate change by protecting forests, improving recycling in the third world, helping them to develop renewable energy systems etc.
1. Ditching a car;
2. Going vegan;
3. Stopping flying ('Cutting one transatlantic flight per year'); and
4. Having one fewer child (By far the most controversial and possibly the most significant).
Even if you ignore #4 as harder to measure and more unpredictable (who knows what lifestyle choices they will make and what technology will be available to them) I think the others are a solid evidence-based roadmap for trying to have a serious impact on a personal level. I'm up to about 3 out of 4 (not vegan or even veggie, still fly sometimes, green electricity but gas heating).
https://www.lunduniversity.lu.se/article/the-four-lifestyle-choices-that-most-reduce-your-carbon-footprint
100% renewable energy, globally, is a big ask - but it is technically quite feasible.
There’s a very good (and lengthy) recent study here:
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Manish_Ram2/publication/320934766_Global_Energy_System_based_on_100_Renewable_Energy_-_Power_Sector/links/5bbdae9e299bf1049b78a3b2/Global-Energy-System-based-on-100-Renewable-Energy-Power-Sector.pdf?origin=publication_detail0 -
Which I do not think he would. Why then if not now? The EU blinked and allowed a blind extension, theyd do it again. And the point about no deal not being g supported is that if means a government trying for it will fail- wed get another Letwin Cooper Bill, and if the EU look like saying no if we dont provide a reason the commons would come up with something.HYUFD said:
It does not need to be supported, No Deal is the default still if the Withdrawal Agreement is not passed by the end of October, the Commons can request another extension but that relies on the EU agreeing again and Macron not vetoing this timekle4 said:
So the anger at pivoting to trying a deal with labour.. how do they propose to pass a deal without that given they cannot make the EU give the DUP what they want? Given no deal will not be supported either.HYUFD said:0 -
Does anyone else on PB remember rain?Foxy said:
Very complacent attitude, and quite a lot of progress on climate change with many emerging economies. Trump is a selfish dumbass but we all knew that already.HYUFD said:
Yes, Med temperatures in the South, saving on holiday bills and a boost for English wine, albeit with greater risk of flooding too.Quincel said:
If you believe some reports then we already do. Other reports are less alarmist, but the consensus ones are plenty bad imho.GIN1138 said:
Humanity could just have a mass suicide pact! That'd solve the problem!DavidL said:Attenborough. A slightly annoying mixture of the portentous and the alarming. But still.
I need to stop buying air freighted vegetables. Should they have to bear a logo showing that they are?
I need to cut back on beef (lamb already off the agenda for health reasons).
I need to think seriously about and investigate the cost of renewable energy tariffs.
I will not buy another diesel car.
What else? There must be more. Most of the damage to the climate is not happening here. Surely our aid budget should be focused on reducing the extent of climate change by protecting forests, improving recycling in the third world, helping them to develop renewable energy systems etc.
In any case it is China, the USA and India who need to move to more renewables, what we do will make little difference either way
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Seeing as it has been stated that the Government is onside with getting rid of him, I thought that proposition would be. Leave now and you can be a Lord. Do not leave now and the Tory party will not sanction that elevation.AmpfieldAndy said:Blunt is wasting his time. Bercow is protected by Tory Remainers like Grieve, Letwin and Clarke acting alongside Labour etc. Trying to remove him is a sign of the intellectual bankruptcy of MPs on all sides of the House just as allowing him to stay despite his evident bias on matters like Brexit brings British politics into disrepute and makes it at international laughing stock.
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He can’t do Churchill. Not even Cod-style. But he should succeed May. Johnson deserves total humiliation at home and abroad.kle4 said:
Even MPs are going for him now? They're losing it. What plans does he have besides faux churchillian rhetoric?williamglenn said:
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Most places in England are having local elections this year. Notable exceptions are London, Birmingham and Cornwall, plus a few others.marke09 said:0 -
Quite. The EU will not want to kick a member out - France might huff and puff but the fact is that turning the UK into a humiliated supplicant unable to decide how, or even if, to leave is actually a very good result for the EU27. The UK will be shorn of political influence but still paying the bills - what's not to like for the 27?kle4 said:
Which I do not think he would. Why then if not now? The EU blinked and allowed a blind extension, theyd do it again. And the point about no deal not being g supported is that if means a government trying for it will fail- wed get another Letwin Cooper Bill, and if the EU look like saying no if we dont provide a reason the commons would come up with something.HYUFD said:
It does not need to be supported, No Deal is the default still if the Withdrawal Agreement is not passed by the end of October, the Commons can request another extension but that relies on the EU agreeing again and Macron not vetoing this timekle4 said:
So the anger at pivoting to trying a deal with labour.. how do they propose to pass a deal without that given they cannot make the EU give the DUP what they want? Given no deal will not be supported either.HYUFD said:0 -
ralphmalph said:
Seeing as it has been stated that the Government is onside with getting rid of him, I thought that proposition would be. Leave now and you can be a Lord. Do not leave now and the Tory party will not sanction that elevation.AmpfieldAndy said:Blunt is wasting his time. Bercow is protected by Tory Remainers like Grieve, Letwin and Clarke acting alongside Labour etc. Trying to remove him is a sign of the intellectual bankruptcy of MPs on all sides of the House just as allowing him to stay despite his evident bias on matters like Brexit brings British politics into disrepute and makes it at international laughing stock.
That would be a poor move, because you can be sure the next government will sanction it and they'll look petty as well. Fact is not all Tories are in board with getting rid of Bercow and not enough others are. Indeed, for some he could do anything and be supported because hes more useful in placeralphmalph said:
Seeing as it has been stated that the Government is onside with getting rid of him, I thought that proposition would be. Leave now and you can be a Lord. Do not leave now and the Tory party will not sanction that elevation.AmpfieldAndy said:Blunt is wasting his time. Bercow is protected by Tory Remainers like Grieve, Letwin and Clarke acting alongside Labour etc. Trying to remove him is a sign of the intellectual bankruptcy of MPs on all sides of the House just as allowing him to stay despite his evident bias on matters like Brexit brings British politics into disrepute and makes it at international laughing stock.
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The government is actively seeking a Buckingham byelection?ralphmalph said:
Seeing as it has been stated that the Government is onside with getting rid of him, I thought that proposition would be. Leave now and you can be a Lord. Do not leave now and the Tory party will not sanction that elevation.AmpfieldAndy said:Blunt is wasting his time. Bercow is protected by Tory Remainers like Grieve, Letwin and Clarke acting alongside Labour etc. Trying to remove him is a sign of the intellectual bankruptcy of MPs on all sides of the House just as allowing him to stay despite his evident bias on matters like Brexit brings British politics into disrepute and makes it at international laughing stock.
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