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I couldn't possibly sperm such a chance.kle4 said:
Might be your best one yet. Orgasmic even.ydoethur said:
It's a coming phenomenon...Pulpstar said:Here's why VPN popularity in the UK is about to go through the roof:
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/apr/17/online-pornography-age-checks-to-be-mandatory-in-uk-from-15-july0 -
As long as it doesn't come in a box...Pulpstar said:
Bumper wine harvests for Britain.IanB2 said:
Read "The New North" by Laurence Smith. His thesis is that Scandinavia, Siberia and Canada will be the places to be (and invest) in the future, given their mineral wealth and progressively improving climate.ExiledInScotland said:
Strangely enough, the UK could be a pretty decent place to live in a warmer climate. We would have a longer growing season with more rain due to increased precipitation. There will be more storms however so we will need to upgrade our housing stock and improve flood defences - stop building on flood plains immediately and increase forestry on upland hills. The latter would also increase farmer prosperity, rural employment and allow us to develop carbon neutral power generation using softwood incinerator power stations.Foxy said:
Here are some interesting graphs from those notorious eco-hippies at Bloomberg, with more detail in the link:kinabalu said:
Mistake to poo poo the hard evidence of man-made climate change.NorthofStoke said:Millenarianism and similar cults appear repeatedly throughout history. Environmentalism is the latest manifestation that incorporates an element of pseudo-science to resonate with modern culture.
People do that - poo poo it - because they do not want to accept it.
https://twitter.com/eroston/status/1116786363964194816?s=19
Real conservatives who want to maintain our way of life should take this seriously, as David Cameron did. Once Bangladesh is underwater, and Sub-saharan africa is in permanent drought is a bit too late. You think there are too many refugees already? well imagine that...0 -
Wind turbines, a move to low energy lightbulbs, solar panels, electric cars ?Slackbladder said:Find a way to combat climate change without directly impacting on peoples lives in too much of a negative way.
It's err happening.0 -
We've got more whine than we know what to do with already thanks to f***ing Brexit.Pulpstar said:
Bumper wine harvests for Britain.IanB2 said:
Read "The New North" by Laurence Smith. His thesis is that Scandinavia, Siberia and Canada will be the places to be (and invest) in the future, given their mineral wealth and progressively improving climate.ExiledInScotland said:
Strangely enough, the UK could be a pretty decent place to live in a warmer climate. We would have a longer growing season with more rain due to increased precipitation. There will be more storms however so we will need to upgrade our housing stock and improve flood defences - stop building on flood plains immediately and increase forestry on upland hills. The latter would also increase farmer prosperity, rural employment and allow us to develop carbon neutral power generation using softwood incinerator power stations.Foxy said:
Here are some interesting graphs from those notorious eco-hippies at Bloomberg, with more detail in the link:kinabalu said:
Mistake to poo poo the hard evidence of man-made climate change.NorthofStoke said:Millenarianism and similar cults appear repeatedly throughout history. Environmentalism is the latest manifestation that incorporates an element of pseudo-science to resonate with modern culture.
People do that - poo poo it - because they do not want to accept it.
https://twitter.com/eroston/status/1116786363964194816?s=19
Real conservatives who want to maintain our way of life should take this seriously, as David Cameron did. Once Bangladesh is underwater, and Sub-saharan africa is in permanent drought is a bit too late. You think there are too many refugees already? well imagine that...0 -
... but not fast enough.Pulpstar said:
Wind turbines, a move to low energy lightbulbs, solar panels, electric cars ?Slackbladder said:Find a way to combat climate change without directly impacting on peoples lives in too much of a negative way.
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Jerking us around.Tissue_Price said:
This deadline was originally 1st April. I suspect it, like Brexit, might be subject to repeated extensions.ydoethur said:
It's a coming phenomenon...Pulpstar said:Here's why VPN popularity in the UK is about to go through the roof:
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/apr/17/online-pornography-age-checks-to-be-mandatory-in-uk-from-15-july0 -
But will they withdraw?kle4 said:
Jerking us around.Tissue_Price said:
This deadline was originally 1st April. I suspect it, like Brexit, might be subject to repeated extensions.ydoethur said:
It's a coming phenomenon...Pulpstar said:Here's why VPN popularity in the UK is about to go through the roof:
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/apr/17/online-pornography-age-checks-to-be-mandatory-in-uk-from-15-july0 -
Could be hardydoethur said:
But will they withdraw?kle4 said:
Jerking us around.Tissue_Price said:
This deadline was originally 1st April. I suspect it, like Brexit, might be subject to repeated extensions.ydoethur said:
It's a coming phenomenon...Pulpstar said:Here's why VPN popularity in the UK is about to go through the roof:
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/apr/17/online-pornography-age-checks-to-be-mandatory-in-uk-from-15-july0 -
That one was a flop.anothernick said:
Could be hardydoethur said:
But will they withdraw?kle4 said:
Jerking us around.Tissue_Price said:
This deadline was originally 1st April. I suspect it, like Brexit, might be subject to repeated extensions.ydoethur said:
It's a coming phenomenon...Pulpstar said:Here's why VPN popularity in the UK is about to go through the roof:
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/apr/17/online-pornography-age-checks-to-be-mandatory-in-uk-from-15-july0 -
Where in the GFA does it say there has to be a seamless border? I'm not sure she has read it.williamglenn said:0 -
The UK is currently warmer than other places on the same latitude because of the gulf stream. As ice melts in the Arctic the gulf stream may weaken and we could end up colder in a warming world. The sea level would of course rise at the same time.ExiledInScotland said:
Strangely enough, the UK could be a pretty decent place to live in a warmer climate. We would have a longer growing season with more rain due to increased precipitation. There will be more storms however so we will need to upgrade our housing stock and improve flood defences - stop building on flood plains immediately and increase forestry on upland hills. The latter would also increase farmer prosperity, rural employment and allow us to develop carbon neutral power generation using softwood incinerator power stations.Foxy said:
Here are some interesting graphs from those notorious eco-hippies at Bloomberg, with more detail in the link:kinabalu said:
Mistake to poo poo the hard evidence of man-made climate change.NorthofStoke said:Millenarianism and similar cults appear repeatedly throughout history. Environmentalism is the latest manifestation that incorporates an element of pseudo-science to resonate with modern culture.
People do that - poo poo it - because they do not want to accept it.
https://twitter.com/eroston/status/1116786363964194816?s=19
Real conservatives who want to maintain our way of life should take this seriously, as David Cameron did. Once Bangladesh is underwater, and Sub-saharan africa is in permanent drought is a bit too late. You think there are too many refugees already? well imagine that...0 -
Nor have I, but I am confident that talking tough in support of the Irish position no matter what is a sound move in the USRobD said:
Where in the GFA does it say there has to be a seamless border? I'm not sure she has read it.williamglenn said:0 -
As opposed to people who've read it, but not understood it...RobD said:
Where in the GFA does it say there has to be a seamless border? I'm not sure she has read it.williamglenn said:0 -
Where's Private Fraser when you need him?
https://twitter.com/whatukthinks/status/11185128856075632650 -
What that suggests, though, is that the YouGov poll may actually indicate a Remain majority. See, also, this thread by David Herdson:CarlottaVance said:Where's Private Fraser when you need him?
https://twitter.com/whatukthinks/status/1118512885607563265
https://twitter.com/davidherdson/status/1118492951825539072?s=21
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Staying in third is about the best they can manage I think. The key will be how they do in the locals - if both are disasters hard to explain away, but if they hold up in the locals the thrashing in the euros is more manageableSouthamObserver said:
What that suggests, though, is that the YouGov poll may actually indicate a Remain majority. See, also, this thread by David Herdson:CarlottaVance said:Where's Private Fraser when you need him?
https://twitter.com/whatukthinks/status/1118512885607563265
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Hard to see that. Certainly on those figures parties committed to Leave make up 71% of the vote.SouthamObserver said:
What that suggests, though, is that the YouGov poll may actually indicate a Remain majority.CarlottaVance said:Where's Private Fraser when you need him?
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Err, ask people voting for the Brexit Party whether those parties are committed to Leave.ydoethur said:
Hard to see that. Certainly on those figures parties committed to Leave make up 71% of the vote.SouthamObserver said:
What that suggests, though, is that the YouGov poll may actually indicate a Remain majority.CarlottaVance said:Where's Private Fraser when you need him?
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Good afternoon, my fellow Mercurians.
Quite a nice day.0 -
A big chunk of that 71% is committed to leave about as strongly as wet tissue paper.ydoethur said:
Hard to see that. Certainly on those figures parties committed to Leave make up 71% of the vote.SouthamObserver said:
What that suggests, though, is that the YouGov poll may actually indicate a Remain majority.CarlottaVance said:Where's Private Fraser when you need him?
https://twitter.com/whatukthinks/status/11185128856075632650 -
Given the National Government has so far failed to implement its key manifesto pledge, I suspect they are heading for a thrashing in both.kle4 said:
Staying in third is about the best they can manage I think. The key will be how they do in the locals - if both are disasters hard to explain away, but if they hold up in the locals the thrashing in the euros is more manageableSouthamObserver said:
What that suggests, though, is that the YouGov poll may actually indicate a Remain majority. See, also, this thread by David Herdson:CarlottaVance said:Where's Private Fraser when you need him?
https://twitter.com/whatukthinks/status/1118512885607563265
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Ask people that didn’t vote for the Brexit Party whether those parties are committed to Remain.williamglenn said:
Err, ask people voting for the Brexit Party whether those parties are committed to Leave.ydoethur said:
Hard to see that. Certainly on those figures parties committed to Leave make up 71% of the vote.SouthamObserver said:
What that suggests, though, is that the YouGov poll may actually indicate a Remain majority.CarlottaVance said:Where's Private Fraser when you need him?
https://twitter.com/whatukthinks/status/11185128856075632650 -
Doing badly is expected at this point in a cycle anyway. But they havent managed expectations as well as , say, Corbyn did in his first locals .CarlottaVance said:
Given the National Government has so far failed to implement its key manifesto pledge, I suspect they are heading for a thrashing in both.kle4 said:
Staying in third is about the best they can manage I think. The key will be how they do in the locals - if both are disasters hard to explain away, but if they hold up in the locals the thrashing in the euros is more manageableSouthamObserver said:
What that suggests, though, is that the YouGov poll may actually indicate a Remain majority. See, also, this thread by David Herdson:CarlottaVance said:Where's Private Fraser when you need him?
https://twitter.com/whatukthinks/status/1118512885607563265
https://twitter.com/davidherdson/status/1118492951825539072?s=210 -
Please give us a trade agreement, the GFA doesn’t say there should be a seamless border may not cut it. The fact is that the Irish American lobby will veto any US/UK trade deal if Brexit is perceived to have harmed Ireland’s interests. There’s no getting round that.RobD said:
Where in the GFA does it say there has to be a seamless border? I'm not sure she has read it.williamglenn said:
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Why? Would I get an accurate answer?williamglenn said:
Err, ask people voting for the Brexit Party whether those parties are committed to Leave.ydoethur said:
Hard to see that. Certainly on those figures parties committed to Leave make up 71% of the vote.SouthamObserver said:
What that suggests, though, is that the YouGov poll may actually indicate a Remain majority.CarlottaVance said:Where's Private Fraser when you need him?
https://twitter.com/whatukthinks/status/1118512885607563265
Then they shouldn't vote for parties committed to leaving, should they?kle4 said:A big chunk of that 71% is committed to leave about as strongly as wet tissue paper.
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Labours policy is everything is on the table, its clearly not committed to any outcome was the point.ydoethur said:
Why? Would I get an accurate answer?williamglenn said:
Err, ask people voting for the Brexit Party whether those parties are committed to Leave.ydoethur said:
Hard to see that. Certainly on those figures parties committed to Leave make up 71% of the vote.SouthamObserver said:
What that suggests, though, is that the YouGov poll may actually indicate a Remain majority.CarlottaVance said:Where's Private Fraser when you need him?
https://twitter.com/whatukthinks/status/1118512885607563265
Then they shouldn't vote for parties committed to leaving, should they?kle4 said:A big chunk of that 71% is committed to leave about as strongly as wet tissue paper.
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At this moment, Labour is committed to leaving. The fact it hasn't a clue as to how, why, or when is relevant, but not fundamental.kle4 said:
Labours policy is everything is on the table, its clearly not committed to any outcome was the point.ydoethur said:
Why? Would I get an accurate answer?williamglenn said:
Err, ask people voting for the Brexit Party whether those parties are committed to Leave.ydoethur said:
Hard to see that. Certainly on those figures parties committed to Leave make up 71% of the vote.SouthamObserver said:
What that suggests, though, is that the YouGov poll may actually indicate a Remain majority.CarlottaVance said:Where's Private Fraser when you need him?
https://twitter.com/whatukthinks/status/1118512885607563265
Then they shouldn't vote for parties committed to leaving, should they?kle4 said:A big chunk of that 71% is committed to leave about as strongly as wet tissue paper.
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https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1118510689172230144SouthamObserver said:
What that suggests, though, is that the YouGov poll may actually indicate a Remain majority.CarlottaVance said:Where's Private Fraser when you need him?
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Then fair enough, no huge loss as it’ll be status quo ante with the US vis a vis trade.SouthamObserver said:
Please give us a trade agreement, the GFA doesn’t say there should be a seamless border may not cut it. The fact is that the Irish American lobby will veto any US/UK trade deal if Brexit is perceived to have harmed Ireland’s interests. There’s no getting round that.RobD said:
Where in the GFA does it say there has to be a seamless border? I'm not sure she has read it.williamglenn said:0 -
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Different:
Peru's ex-President Alan García shoots himself before arrest
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-47961425
You wonder a bit whether something similar might ultimately happen to Maduro, given all the crimes he will be accused of after he is eventually toppled.0 -
Not sure of the relevance of that to my point.CarlottaVance said:
https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1118510689172230144SouthamObserver said:
What that suggests, though, is that the YouGov poll may actually indicate a Remain majority.CarlottaVance said:Where's Private Fraser when you need him?
https://twitter.com/whatukthinks/status/1118512885607563265
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If you think any of that puts us close to net carbon is six years, or twelve or even the cut off point of thirty years outlined by IPCC you will be disappointed. Those things are important but they wont bring down carbon usage by the amounts claimed neeeded.Pulpstar said:
Wind turbines, a move to low energy lightbulbs, solar panels, electric cars ?Slackbladder said:Find a way to combat climate change without directly impacting on peoples lives in too much of a negative way.
It's err happening.0 -
No, because we also fall out of EU deals with the US. And we won’t have a deal with the EU. So we’ll be worse off overall.RobD said:
Then fair enough, no huge loss as it’ll be status quo ante with the US vis a vis trade.SouthamObserver said:
Please give us a trade agreement, the GFA doesn’t say there should be a seamless border may not cut it. The fact is that the Irish American lobby will veto any US/UK trade deal if Brexit is perceived to have harmed Ireland’s interests. There’s no getting round that.RobD said:
Where in the GFA does it say there has to be a seamless border? I'm not sure she has read it.williamglenn said:
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Except that we'd have thrown away seamless trade with one of the world's three mega trade partners and got nothing to partially compensate us for the loss from either of the other two. Not exactly a win, is it? And that's without even considering the difficulty we'll have scrabbling back some of the lost trade deals with smaller countries, 70 of them at the last count.RobD said:
Then fair enough, no huge loss as it’ll be status quo ante with the US vis a vis trade.SouthamObserver said:
Please give us a trade agreement, the GFA doesn’t say there should be a seamless border may not cut it. The fact is that the Irish American lobby will veto any US/UK trade deal if Brexit is perceived to have harmed Ireland’s interests. There’s no getting round that.RobD said:
Where in the GFA does it say there has to be a seamless border? I'm not sure she has read it.williamglenn said:
I must say, the argument that the possibility of doing our own trade deals was a positive advantage of leaving the EU was one of the most bizarre and irrational political arguments I've ever come across. So bizarre that for months I didn't believe those advocating it could possibly be serious. Maybe they weren't, but they do a good job pretending to believe it.0 -
The report is going to be some kind of Carton strip?CarlottaVance said:Made me laugh.....
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I'm not convinced that a trade deal with the US was likely in the first place - @rcs has explained his scepticism pretty thoroughly before. There doesn't seem to be much appetite for it from the Gove wing of the Tory party either. (There are some avowed Atlanticists, Liam Fox included, but they certainly haven't succeeded in recasting Brexit as a New Atlanticism - there's a guy in a pale-coloured house who isn't helping their cause at the moment...)RobD said:
Then fair enough, no huge loss as it’ll be status quo ante with the US vis a vis trade.SouthamObserver said:
Please give us a trade agreement, the GFA doesn’t say there should be a seamless border may not cut it. The fact is that the Irish American lobby will veto any US/UK trade deal if Brexit is perceived to have harmed Ireland’s interests. There’s no getting round that.RobD said:
Where in the GFA does it say there has to be a seamless border? I'm not sure she has read it.williamglenn said:0 -
I am a naive optimist in thinking that there will be a deal with the EU in the endRichard_Nabavi said:
Except that we'd have thrown away seamless trade with one of the world's three mega trade partners and got nothing to partially compensate us for the loss from either of the other two. Not exactly a win, is it? And that's without even considering the difficulty we'll have scrabbling back some of the lost trade deals with smaller countries, 70 of them at the last count.RobD said:
Then fair enough, no huge loss as it’ll be status quo ante with the US vis a vis trade.SouthamObserver said:
Please give us a trade agreement, the GFA doesn’t say there should be a seamless border may not cut it. The fact is that the Irish American lobby will veto any US/UK trade deal if Brexit is perceived to have harmed Ireland’s interests. There’s no getting round that.RobD said:
Where in the GFA does it say there has to be a seamless border? I'm not sure she has read it.williamglenn said:
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What if there is, on polling day, a Brexit majority?SouthamObserver said:
Not sure of the relevance of that to my point.CarlottaVance said:
https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1118510689172230144SouthamObserver said:
What that suggests, though, is that the YouGov poll may actually indicate a Remain majority.CarlottaVance said:Where's Private Fraser when you need him?
https://twitter.com/whatukthinks/status/1118512885607563265
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One of those arguments along the lines of how referendums are bad ideas except whe n one looks like winning.CarlottaVance said:
https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1118510689172230144SouthamObserver said:
What that suggests, though, is that the YouGov poll may actually indicate a Remain majority.CarlottaVance said:Where's Private Fraser when you need him?
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Yes, we might be able to scrabble something back, albeit inferior economically to what we had before, and giving up most of the 'sovereignty' advantage that we were supposed to be gaining in the first place.RobD said:I am a naive optimist in thinking that there will be a deal with the EU in the end
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It will be stated to be irrelevant, that it wasn't a soft referendum at all etc.CarlottaVance said:
What if there is, on polling day, a Brexit majority?SouthamObserver said:
Not sure of the relevance of that to my point.CarlottaVance said:
https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1118510689172230144SouthamObserver said:
What that suggests, though, is that the YouGov poll may actually indicate a Remain majority.CarlottaVance said:Where's Private Fraser when you need him?
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On your second point. Given that we are on the way out (optimism strikes again), better that than being locked into a customs union with zero ability to set trade policy?Richard_Nabavi said:
Except that we'd have thrown away seamless trade with one of the world's three mega trade partners and got nothing to partially compensate us for the loss from either of the other two. Not exactly a win, is it? And that's without even considering the difficulty we'll have scrabbling back some of the lost trade deals with smaller countries, 70 of them at the last count.RobD said:
Then fair enough, no huge loss as it’ll be status quo ante with the US vis a vis trade.SouthamObserver said:
Please give us a trade agreement, the GFA doesn’t say there should be a seamless border may not cut it. The fact is that the Irish American lobby will veto any US/UK trade deal if Brexit is perceived to have harmed Ireland’s interests. There’s no getting round that.RobD said:
Where in the GFA does it say there has to be a seamless border? I'm not sure she has read it.williamglenn said:
I must say, the argument that the possibility of doing our own trade deals was a positive advantage of leaving the EU was one of the most bizarre and irrational political arguments I've ever come across. So bizarre that for months I didn't believe those advocating it could possibly be serious. Maybe they weren't, but they do a good job pretending to believe it.0 -
A far better thing than that.ydoethur said:
The report is going to be some kind of Carton strip?CarlottaVance said:Made me laugh.....
https://twitter.com/BBCJonSopel/status/1118517465506615296
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That it wasn’t on the ballot paper....kle4 said:
It will be stated to be irrelevant, that it wasn't a soft referendum at all etc.CarlottaVance said:
What if there is, on polling day, a Brexit majority?SouthamObserver said:
Not sure of the relevance of that to my point.CarlottaVance said:
https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1118510689172230144SouthamObserver said:
What that suggests, though, is that the YouGov poll may actually indicate a Remain majority.CarlottaVance said:Where's Private Fraser when you need him?
https://twitter.com/whatukthinks/status/1118512885607563265
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Good news for Remain. It would show that you can’t outbid Eurosceptic nationalists, so the mainstream parties would have to fight them head on.CarlottaVance said:
What if there is, on polling day, a Brexit majority?SouthamObserver said:
Not sure of the relevance of that to my point.CarlottaVance said:
https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1118510689172230144SouthamObserver said:
What that suggests, though, is that the YouGov poll may actually indicate a Remain majority.CarlottaVance said:Where's Private Fraser when you need him?
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Ah, “good for Yes” is back!williamglenn said:
Good news for Remain. It would show that you can’t outbid Eurosceptic nationalists, so the mainstream parties would have to fight them head on.CarlottaVance said:
What if there is, on polling day, a Brexit majority?SouthamObserver said:
Not sure of the relevance of that to my point.CarlottaVance said:
https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1118510689172230144SouthamObserver said:
What that suggests, though, is that the YouGov poll may actually indicate a Remain majority.CarlottaVance said:Where's Private Fraser when you need him?
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There are three givens:-OblitusSumMe said:
We are missing our targets which are not ambitious enough. I think I would characterise that as paying lip service to the problem.Sean_F said:
Plainly, people do give a monkey's. That's why the UK's carbon emissions are falling.OblitusSumMe said:
The level of CO2 we reach will determine which ice sheets will survive, if any, and how many metres of sea level rise future generations experience.MarqueeMark said:
The graphs the other day showed the oscillations in climate getting more divergent over the past 2 million years (earlier record are not supported by ice cores). We as a species have been affecting the climate what - 10,000 years, tops?TGOHF said:
Climate will change irrespective of levels of CO2. Sorry it isn’t us controlling the planet.kinabalu said:
That is kind of what I'm getting at. I'm actually quite bullish on this climate issue. I think the problem is moving up the radar and it is going to be sorted. We will all be living in a far more green and sustainable way in a few decades from now. You can see it in the attitudes of younger people. They get it quite naturally, whereas people like me have to force ourselves.Sean_F said:It doesn't work, because they can never be more than a nuisance, rather than bringing the country to a standstill. They aren't the NUM or T&GWU of old. So, the only way to win, is to win people over, and these antics will alienate people.
Taking steps to reduce the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere is surely prudent. But will it make a jot of difference? Probably not. The best shot we have at changing climate is a single-species mass extinction event - for homo sapiens.
/EvenGloomierThanToriesMode
But it isn't likely to happen fast enough that we have to worry about the Thames Barrier being overwhelmed in our lifetime so no-one gives a monkey.
And that's why protestors are taking more radical action.
What people don't want is to destroy a system which generates the highest ever standard of living.
I do not agree that taking more rapid action necessarily requires dismantling capitalism.
1. The World's population will peak at 10 - 11 bn
2. People in rich countries want to remain rich
3. People in poor countries want to become rich.
Those are the parameters one has to work within, while tackling climate change and environmental degradation. I don't think Extinction Rebellion and other activists are prepared to do so.0 -
You add in the people who didn't vote, and say they're happy to Remain in the EU.CarlottaVance said:
What if there is, on polling day, a Brexit majority?SouthamObserver said:
Not sure of the relevance of that to my point.CarlottaVance said:
https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1118510689172230144SouthamObserver said:
What that suggests, though, is that the YouGov poll may actually indicate a Remain majority.CarlottaVance said:Where's Private Fraser when you need him?
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From the breakdowns, the only way we can be certain there is a Brexit majority int he country is if the Brexit party and UKIP win 50%+ of the votes. Obviously, that will not prevent people from claiming one if the Tories are added in, but it seems the remaining Tory voters are more Remain than Leave.CarlottaVance said:
What if there is, on polling day, a Brexit majority?SouthamObserver said:
Not sure of the relevance of that to my point.CarlottaVance said:
https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1118510689172230144SouthamObserver said:
What that suggests, though, is that the YouGov poll may actually indicate a Remain majority.CarlottaVance said:Where's Private Fraser when you need him?
https://twitter.com/whatukthinks/status/1118512885607563265
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I am happy to listen to climate change bores and activists provided they can confirm that they walk or bicycle to work (having, if necessary, moved house to do so) and that they do not heat their houses at all in winter beyond one afternoon a week to prevent damage to the fabric of the building - you can survive a British winter by piling on the sustainable pullovers.
It is the same with homeopaths - I have huge respect for them and their views, provided they can confirm that they have undergone surgery under homeopathic anaesthetic.0 -
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Said no one, ever.Scott_P said:0 -
Looks like Farage is overcoming any issues around whether he is still Ukip or not, Brexit party has shot ahead.
For the remain side, they haven't helped the cause by not standing under one umbrella, but of course the big problem is that the by far largest chunk of Remainers is in the Labour Party, and as long as Corbyn doesn't come down on either side he seems capable of keeping enough Remainers on board.
Damage control would be to start laying the groundwork for adding the labour vote share into the "peoples vote support" post election seeing as they have whipped on it before. Need to do that early before the leave side claims the Labour vote as their own.0 -
Don't forget to subtract the votes of those who will die within the next 30 years. Why should they count?Sean_F said:
You add in the people who didn't vote, and say they're happy to Remain in the EU.CarlottaVance said:
What if there is, on polling day, a Brexit majority?SouthamObserver said:
Not sure of the relevance of that to my point.CarlottaVance said:
https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1118510689172230144SouthamObserver said:
What that suggests, though, is that the YouGov poll may actually indicate a Remain majority.CarlottaVance said:Where's Private Fraser when you need him?
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Shouldn't that be "He is the best hope this planet has"Scott_P said:0 -
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That's just silly. Individuals can only do a certain amount to tackle Climate Change, e.g solar panels, it's governments that can make real differences by the decisions they make.Ishmael_Z said:I am happy to listen to climate change bores and activists provided they can confirm that they walk or bicycle to work (having, if necessary, moved house to do so) and that they do not heat their houses at all in winter beyond one afternoon a week to prevent damage to the fabric of the building - you can survive a British winter by piling on the sustainable pullovers.
It is the same with homeopaths - I have huge respect for them and their views, provided they can confirm that they have undergone surgery under homeopathic anaesthetic.
This government has removed the solar feed in tariff and cancelled the tidal power project.0 -
There is an interesting body of opinion that fertility rates are dropping so quickly that the world population may peak at around 9 billion in 2060, and then start to reduce. This may impact significantly on all three of the above. This book summarises it:Sean_F said:
There are three givens:-OblitusSumMe said:
We are missing our targets which are not ambitious enough. I think I would characterise that as paying lip service to the problem.Sean_F said:
Plainly, people do give a monkey's. That's why the UK's carbon emissions are falling.OblitusSumMe said:
The level of CO2 we reach will determine which ice sheets will survive, if any, and how many metres of sea level rise future generations experience.MarqueeMark said:
The graphs the other day showed the oscillations in climateTGOHF said:
Climate will change irrespective of levels of CO2. Sorry it isn’t us controlling the planet.kinabalu said:
That is kind of what I'm getting at. I'm actually quite bullish on this climate issue. I think the problem is moving up the radar and it is going to be sorted. We will all be living in a far more green and sustainable way in a few decades from now. You can see it in the attitudes of younger people. They get it quite naturally, whereas people like me have to force ourselves.Sean_F said:It doesn't work, because they can never be more than a nuisance, rather than bringing the country to a standstill. They aren't the NUM or T&GWU of old. So, the only way to win, is to win people over, and these antics will alienate people.
/EvenGloomierThanToriesMode
But it isn't likely to happen fast enough that we have to worry about the Thames Barrier being overwhelmed in our lifetime so no-one gives a monkey.
And that's why protestors are taking more radical action.
What people don't want is to destroy a system which generates the highest ever standard of living.
I do not agree that taking more rapid action necessarily requires dismantling capitalism.
1. The World's population will peak at 10 - 11 bn
2. People in rich countries want to remain rich
3. People in poor countries want to become rich.
Those are the parameters one has to work within, while tackling climate change and environmental degradation. I don't think Extinction Rebellion and other activists are prepared to do so.
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/37585564-empty-planet
It is worth noting that becoming rich in an environmentally sustainable way is not impossible, indeed our population in the UK has demonstrated this in many ways.
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Absolute twats.Scott_P said:0 -
Mr. 86, well, quite. Making up nonsense and then attributing it to opponents is fashionable, though.
Much easier to argue against a position you invent for an opponent than the alternative... actually *engaging* with them.
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Governments can only tell individuals what to do. If you can't walk the walk, don't talk the talk.logical_song said:
That's just silly. Individuals can only do a certain amount to tackle Climate Change, e.g solar panels, it's governments that can make real differences by the decisions they make.Ishmael_Z said:I am happy to listen to climate change bores and activists provided they can confirm that they walk or bicycle to work (having, if necessary, moved house to do so) and that they do not heat their houses at all in winter beyond one afternoon a week to prevent damage to the fabric of the building - you can survive a British winter by piling on the sustainable pullovers.
It is the same with homeopaths - I have huge respect for them and their views, provided they can confirm that they have undergone surgery under homeopathic anaesthetic.
This government has removed the solar feed in tariff and cancelled the tidal power project.
Been on any nice overseas holidays recently?0 -
I hope he does his usual curt routine when people try to doorstep him.FrancisUrquhart said:
Absolute twats.Scott_P said:0 -
I agree, totally. Getting richer means that one can afford to avoid all kinds of environmentally damaging activities.Foxy said:Sean_F said:
There are three givens:-OblitusSumMe said:
We are missing our targets which are not ambitious enough. I think I would characterise that as paying lip service to the problem.Sean_F said:
Plainly, people do give a monkey's. That's why the UK's carbon emissions are falling.OblitusSumMe said:
The level of CO2 we reach will determine which ice sheets will survive, if any, and how many metres of sea level rise future generations experience.MarqueeMark said:
The graphs the other day showed the oscillations in climateTGOHF said:
Climate will change irrespective of levels of CO2. Sorry it isn’t us controlling the planet.kinabalu said:
That is kind of what I'm getting at. I'm actually quite bullish on this climate issue. I think the problem is moving up the radar and it is going to be sorted. We will all be living in a far more green and sustainable way in a few decades from now. You can see it in the attitudes of younger people. They get it quite naturally, whereas people like me have to force ourselves.Sean_F said:It doesn't work, because they can never be more than a nuisance, rather than bringing the country to a standstill. They aren't the NUM or T&GWU of old. So, the only way to win, is to win people over, and these antics will alienate people.
/EvenGloomierThanToriesMode
But it isn't likely to happen fast enough that we have to worry about the Thames Barrier being overwhelmed in our lifetime so no-one gives a monkey.
And that's why protestors are taking more radical action.
What people don't want is to destroy a system which generates the highest ever standard of living.
I do not agree that taking more rapid action necessarily requires dismantling capitalism.
1. The World's population will peak at 10 - 11 bn
2. People in rich countries want to remain rich
3. People in poor countries want to become rich.
Those are the parameters one has to work within, while tackling climate change and environmental degradation. I don't think Extinction Rebellion and other activists are prepared to do so.
It is worth noting that becoming rich in an environmentally sustainable way is not impossible, indeed our population in the UK has demonstrated this in many ways.0 -
Another silly answer.Ishmael_Z said:
Governments can only tell individuals what to do. If you can't walk the walk, don't talk the talk.logical_song said:
That's just silly. Individuals can only do a certain amount to tackle Climate Change, e.g solar panels, it's governments that can make real differences by the decisions they make.Ishmael_Z said:I am happy to listen to climate change bores and activists provided they can confirm that they walk or bicycle to work (having, if necessary, moved house to do so) and that they do not heat their houses at all in winter beyond one afternoon a week to prevent damage to the fabric of the building - you can survive a British winter by piling on the sustainable pullovers.
It is the same with homeopaths - I have huge respect for them and their views, provided they can confirm that they have undergone surgery under homeopathic anaesthetic.
This government has removed the solar feed in tariff and cancelled the tidal power project.
Been on any nice overseas holidays recently?
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And becoming even richer is even easier - you can't beat wind farming, if you own the necessary acreage in the first place.Foxy said:
There is an interesting body of opinion that fertility rates are dropping so quickly that the world population may peak at around 9 billion in 2060, and then start to reduce. This may impact significantly on all three of the above. This book summarises it:
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/37585564-empty-planet
It is worth noting that becoming rich in an environmentally sustainable way is not impossible, indeed our population in the UK has demonstrated this in many ways.0 -
Nothing clever or funny about hypocrisy.logical_song said:
Another silly answer.Ishmael_Z said:
Governments can only tell individuals what to do. If you can't walk the walk, don't talk the talk.logical_song said:
That's just silly. Individuals can only do a certain amount to tackle Climate Change, e.g solar panels, it's governments that can make real differences by the decisions they make.Ishmael_Z said:I am happy to listen to climate change bores and activists provided they can confirm that they walk or bicycle to work (having, if necessary, moved house to do so) and that they do not heat their houses at all in winter beyond one afternoon a week to prevent damage to the fabric of the building - you can survive a British winter by piling on the sustainable pullovers.
It is the same with homeopaths - I have huge respect for them and their views, provided they can confirm that they have undergone surgery under homeopathic anaesthetic.
This government has removed the solar feed in tariff and cancelled the tidal power project.
Been on any nice overseas holidays recently?
Go build yourself a gas fired power station0 -
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The Extinction Rebellion crowd are pretty good at grabbing the agenda of a Brexit bored media. They are running quite an effective campaign.Scott_P said:0 -
Turnout will be a key factor. A lot of Con voters will be sitting on their hands. Lab/Green/LD voters are quite energised. More difficult to gauge how many Brexit voters will bother voting. But I still expect them to win.rottenborough said:0 -
The argument is excellent, as always, and compelling. However I think there is more than a small problem if we assume that the election is in 2022. Usually we don't know anything much about three years time but this time we know less as the climate politically is so fissile. Unless something Black Swan like happens either Labour or Cons are going to get most seats in 2022. A question is 'Are the Tories any use'? And plainly they aren't. But if you ask 'Are Labour electable if they have a left platform and leader, and the Tories have a half competent leader and campaign' it is equally challenging. And in the land of the blind the one eyed man is king. So I am not convinced. The EU elections and current polling tell you nothing about 2022 - except maybe that Tiggers are on a sticky wicket.0
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What has that got to do with anything?Ishmael_Z said:
Nothing clever or funny about hypocrisy.logical_song said:
Another silly answer.Ishmael_Z said:
Governments can only tell individuals what to do. If you can't walk the walk, don't talk the talk.logical_song said:
That's just silly. Individuals can only do a certain amount to tackle Climate Change, e.g solar panels, it's governments that can make real differences by the decisions they make.Ishmael_Z said:I am happy to listen to climate change bores and activists provided they can confirm that they walk or bicycle to work (having, if necessary, moved house to do so) and that they do not heat their houses at all in winter beyond one afternoon a week to prevent damage to the fabric of the building - you can survive a British winter by piling on the sustainable pullovers.
It is the same with homeopaths - I have huge respect for them and their views, provided they can confirm that they have undergone surgery under homeopathic anaesthetic.
This government has removed the solar feed in tariff and cancelled the tidal power project.
Been on any nice overseas holidays recently?
Go build yourself a gas fired power station
It seems obvious to me that building power stations, sticking solar panels on government buildings and creating incentives for people to save energy is something that only governments can do.
Do you have a non-sarcastic answer?0 -
I wonder what sort of glue they're using? If it's vegan glue, it's not much of a protest, and if it's proper glue, it's very politically incorrect.Foxy said:
The Extinction Rebellion crowd are pretty good at grabbing the agenda of a Brexit bored media. They are running quite an effective campaign.Scott_P said:0 -
One of the people glued to Jeremy's fence looks like Jeremy.0
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The SW looks a mess.rottenborough said:
If CHUK get nothing what is their purpose outside of Westminster and this parliament Specifically?0 -
Corbyn can't resist a good protest, he'll glue himself to his own fence as well when he gets homeScott_P said:0 -
Predicted seats are interesting because, amongst other things, they'd see Labour and the Conservatives hold station as second and third parties respectively, with Farage's Party (formerly UKIP, now Brexit) remaining in first.0
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Right, I just need 5 more posts (4 after this one) to get to 2k. Will resist the temptation to post rubbish* just to make it this afternoon.
* Do NOT say it.0 -
I do not agree that Con voters will sit on their hands. Down thread Mr Herdson in a twitter thread has already stated that the generational divide of brexit is still there. Old people are still brexit and young still remain.Dadge said:
Turnout will be a key factor. A lot of Con voters will be sitting on their hands. Lab/Green/LD voters are quite energised. More difficult to gauge how many Brexit voters will bother voting. But I still expect them to win.rottenborough said:
We know old people vote, the question is are the young going to vote?0 -
When has that ever stopped anyone on here?kinabalu said:Right, I just need 5 more posts (4 after this one) to get to 2k. Will resist the temptation to post rubbish* just to make it this afternoon.
* Do NOT say it.
Edit - BTW, I never knew you were one of the Knights Who Like To Say Ni.0 -
They are admirably dedicated and focused, if a bit of a pain to handle queries from in my experience as they are relentless about pushing their message even to the sod on the phone, that is me. Though at some point stunts are ineffective.Foxy said:
The Extinction Rebellion crowd are pretty good at grabbing the agenda of a Brexit bored media. They are running quite an effective campaign.Scott_P said:0 -
I read a great story about this Irish farmer who made a fortune from he wind turbine on his farm - until the government found out he'd fitted a diesel motor to it.Ishmael_Z said:
And becoming even richer is even easier - you can't beat wind farming, if you own the necessary acreage in the first place.Foxy said:
There is an interesting body of opinion that fertility rates are dropping so quickly that the world population may peak at around 9 billion in 2060, and then start to reduce. This may impact significantly on all three of the above. This book summarises it:
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/37585564-empty-planet
It is worth noting that becoming rich in an environmentally sustainable way is not impossible, indeed our population in the UK has demonstrated this in many ways.0 -
The CHUK(a) party seems to have disappeared rather quickly. Euro elections, ideal for them as a remain party ..... yet they've already reached the mythical 0%.0
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Superglue, which is acrylic and sticks quickly.ydoethur said:
I wonder what sort of glue they're using? If it's vegan glue, it's not much of a protest, and if it's proper glue, it's very politically incorrect.Foxy said:
The Extinction Rebellion crowd are pretty good at grabbing the agenda of a Brexit bored media. They are running quite an effective campaign.Scott_P said:
Fairly easily dissolved with nail polish remover, but shush, let them have their fun.0 -
Mr. Andrew, lost momentum (ahem) and sunk. It seems. They do still have MPs.
Mr. Kinabalu, you don't want to be one of those posters with a ridiculous post count due to writing a load of nonsense.0 -
He was known locally for being a very oily character.Sean_F said:
I read a great story about this Irish farmer who made a fortune from he wind turbine on his farm - until the government found out he'd fitted a diesel motor to it.Ishmael_Z said:
And becoming even richer is even easier - you can't beat wind farming, if you own the necessary acreage in the first place.Foxy said:
There is an interesting body of opinion that fertility rates are dropping so quickly that the world population may peak at around 9 billion in 2060, and then start to reduce. This may impact significantly on all three of the above. This book summarises it:
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/37585564-empty-planet
It is worth noting that becoming rich in an environmentally sustainable way is not impossible, indeed our population in the UK has demonstrated this in many ways.0 -
As a well-heeled Westerner you can make a more-than-token difference by personal choices and the great thing is you can make the difference here and now, you don't have to lobby yourself in the hope that you will pass some watered down half assed legislation in ten years time. So if you want to sound off on the subject you can very legitimately be asked what you personally are doing about it.logical_song said:
What has that got to do with anything?Ishmael_Z said:
Nothing clever or funny about hypocrisy.logical_song said:
Another silly answer.Ishmael_Z said:
Governments can only tell individuals what to do. If you can't walk the walk, don't talk the talk.logical_song said:
That's just silly. Individuals can only do a certain amount to tackle Climate Change, e.g solar panels, it's governments that can make real differences by the decisions they make.Ishmael_Z said:I am happy to listen to climate change bores and activists provided they can confirm that they walk or bicycle to work (having, if necessary, moved house to do so) and that they do not heat their houses at all in winter beyond one afternoon a week to prevent damage to the fabric of the building - you can survive a British winter by piling on the sustainable pullovers.
It is the same with homeopaths - I have huge respect for them and their views, provided they can confirm that they have undergone surgery under homeopathic anaesthetic.
This government has removed the solar feed in tariff and cancelled the tidal power project.
Been on any nice overseas holidays recently?
Go build yourself a gas fired power station
It seems obvious to me that building power stations, sticking solar panels on government buildings and creating incentives for people to save energy is something that only governments can do.
Do you have a non-sarcastic answer?
Edit: I assume you are not serious about having to ask what overseas holidays have to do with anything? You do know that aeroplanes run on fossil fuel?0 -
Delicious:
97. When it comes to valuation of Mr Campbell's distress, I do not accept that he can hold others to a higher standard of respect than he is willing himself to adopt. He has chosen insult and condemnation as his style. He has received these in return......I do not accept that he can dismiss the feelings or reputations of his opponents cheaply, but receive a high valuation of his own.
98. Had I been awarding damages, those damages would have been assessed at £100.
Campbell had claimed £25,000.
Costs to be agreed - DavidL - in the event of a failure of an action Campbell will have to pay Dugdale's costs?
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That’s handy!! 🤣🤣👏🏻SouthamObserver said:
From the breakdowns, the only way we can be certain there is a Brexit majority int he country is if the Brexit party and UKIP win 50%+ of the votes. Obviously, that will not prevent people from claiming one if the Tories are added in, but it seems the remaining Tory voters are more Remain than Leave.CarlottaVance said:
What if there is, on polling day, a Brexit majority?SouthamObserver said:
Not sure of the relevance of that to my point.CarlottaVance said:
https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1118510689172230144SouthamObserver said:
What that suggests, though, is that the YouGov poll may actually indicate a Remain majority.CarlottaVance said:Where's Private Fraser when you need him?
https://twitter.com/whatukthinks/status/1118512885607563265
Pre the ref it was widely assumed that Farage and UKIP had a ceiling of around 35%... and the other 17% needed convincing by Tory and Labour. But now if Farage and UKIP don’t get 51% we can assume the country has a Remain majority 🤔0 -
If you are a Surrey supporter, DO NOT look at the scorecard from Bristol, or you will die of terminal embarrassment.0
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All those England batsman doing that they do best...ydoethur said:If you are a Surrey supporter, DO NOT look at the scorecard from Bristol, or you will die of terminal embarrassment.
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ROFL 🤣FrancisUrquhart said:
All those England batsman doing that they do best...ydoethur said:If you are a Surrey supporter, DO NOT look at the scorecard from Bristol, or you will die of terminal embarrassment.
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:-)ydoethur said:When has that ever stopped anyone on here?
Edit - BTW, I never knew you were one of the Knights Who Like To Say Ni.
Well, quite, but I do not wish to contribute to falling standards.
My phrase to unsettle people is not 'Ni' it is 'fallopian tubes'.
When I sneak up on someone and whisper that in their ear, they run a mile.0 -
They think it's all ova.kinabalu said:
:-)ydoethur said:When has that ever stopped anyone on here?
Edit - BTW, I never knew you were one of the Knights Who Like To Say Ni.
Well, quite, but I do not wish to contribute to falling standards.
My phrase to unsettle people is not 'Ni' it is 'fallopian tubes'.
When I sneak up on someone and whisper that in their ear, they run a mile.0
