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philiph said:

williamglenn said:

TGOHF said:

twistedfirestopper3 said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

SouthamObserver said:

Well, I gave Mrs May credit for reaching out to Labour and putting country. It looks like I could well have been wrong - as many on here told me I was. I’m still hoping not, though. Surely even she wouldn’t be so stupidly dishonest as that.

If it is true France, Spain and Belgium are going to refuse an extension then the HOC have to decide next Thursday

TM deal - revoke

If they revoke, then what?

The EU would refuse it unless we either ruled out leaving for 10 years or agreed to a flextension.

The EU can't refuse a revocation as long as it's done in accordance with the UK's constitutional requirements.

Did that right continue past March 29th?

Yes. The extension conditions don't remove any rights or obligations under the treaties.

https://data.consilium.europa.eu/doc/document/XT-20006-2019-INIT/en/pdf

Richard_Nabavi said:

SouthamObserver said:

The issue for the EU27 is not who will be blamed for No Deal by people in the UK, but who will blamed for it in the EU27. One of the things the government got wrong from the very start is its failure to understand that the important thing from a deal perspective was putting the EU27 governments under some kind of pressure in their home countries. Instead, May has constantly chased good headlines at home by pursuing a strategy that has confirmed to just about everyone in all the member states that the UK is almost entirely to blame for the current mess. The only country where there is any kind of pressure on the government is Ireland - and most of that comes from people who think that Varadeker is being too soft on the Brits.

Whilst all that is true, I'm not sure there's much she could have done about it. EU27 governments will nonetheless be aware that they will cop some blame if the no-deal chaos become reality.

Here's one example of the potential problems they could hit:

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/apr/05/eu-confirms-it-wants-short-term-fisheries-arrangement-with-uk-no-deal-brexit-fishing

Yep - that's why I would be very surprised if the EU did not end up offering a very long extension to the UK. I still think the likeliest way to No Deal from here is May turning that down. And that does not seem very likely.

ExiledInScotland said:

Foxy said:

ExiledInScotland said:

O/T. For any of our medics here; If esophageal cancer has blocked the pipe so much that a rod had to be pushed through before a stent could be fitted, and then the stent has failed, is a feeding tube possible? I can't find anything about this

It is possible to do a feeding gastrostomy. This is an opening from the upper abdomen to the stomach, so food gan go directly into the stomach. It is also possible to do Total Parental Nutrition intravenously.

The prognosis though at this stage is very grim indeed, and palliative care may well be kinder.

Thank you. That is what I feared. My brother - nine years older than me.

Ask to speak to the Palliative care team at the hospital. It should be possible for him to be comfortable. They are much more than pain relief, dealing with nutrition and hydration too.

Best wishes.

Big_G_NorthWales said:

TGOHF said:

France are now safe to say no extension and turf the Uk out. They wouldn't get the blame.

May - rightly - would.

Win win win all round.

That is utter nonsense. If France do this it will be France and their supporters who will be blamed

Macron may play bad cop but there aren't going to be any actual vetoes disrupting the unity of the EU. It's a peculiarly British habit trying to deconstruct the EU into a collection of national interests.

AndyJS said:

Has it been confirmed that the Euro elections will be taking place in the UK?

No, but both parties are in full preparation mode. Labour selections start next week.

geoffw said:

Pulpstar said:

Floater said:

twistedfirestopper3 said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

SouthamObserver said:

Well, I gave Mrs May credit for reaching out to Labour and putting country. It looks like I could well have been wrong - as many on here told me I was. I’m still hoping not, though. Surely even she wouldn’t be so stupidly dishonest as that.

If it is true France, Spain and Belgium are going to refuse an extension then the HOC have to decide next Thursday

TM deal - revoke

If they revoke, then what?

Jeremy Corbyn pm because the tories will be monstered

The Tories will be out of power for 20 years if we revoke

But not if we leave without a deal.

I imagine it's roughly like this;

Revoke = bye, bye Tories.
Referendum = Tory skeleton staff
Crappy CU or some such deal = Tories split
May's deal = Tories reunited
No deal = Tories reunited, but with defectors

I actually think in purely long-term party political terms 'no deal' is likely to be better, and especially if that's forced upon us by the EU.

I'm not sure about Labour's equation at all. I think it looks like;

Revoke = horrible, but worse for Tories. Labour splits
Referendum = Labour splits in a small way
Crappy CU or some other deal = Labour on the march
May's deal = Pretty neutral
No deal = Slightly blind-sided

bigjohnowls said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Floater said:

twistedfirestopper3 said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

SouthamObserver said:

Well, I gave Mrs May credit for reaching out to Labour and putting country. It looks like I could well have been wrong - as many on here told me I was. I’m still hoping not, though. Surely even she wouldn’t be so stupidly dishonest as that.

If it is true France, Spain and Belgium are going to refuse an extension then the HOC have to decide next Thursday

TM deal - revoke

If they revoke, then what?

Jeremy Corbyn pm because the tories will be monstered

More likely Heidi Allen or Chuka

Neither will be MPs let alone PM

Heidi will sail through

In May's statement offering talks with Labour there was a carefully constructed couple of sentences on what should happen if agreement was not reached. That the Government and Opposition would agree a set of proposals to be put to the vote with both Opposition and Government accepting the verdict of the house. I think this is the end game. If Labour resist that approach then they rightly get blamed. To try to ensure that the house must choose something I suspect that May will say that she will whip a bill based on the option that gets the most indicative votes and challenge Corbyn to do the same.

Richard_Tyndall said:

SouthamObserver said:

Well, I gave Mrs May credit for reaching out to Labour and putting country. It looks like I could well have been wrong - as many on here told me I was. I’m still hoping not, though. Surely even she wouldn’t be so stupidly dishonest as that.

I suppose it depends on what was demanded. I can see her having acceded on the CU but saying no to rerunning the referendum. I actually give her no credit at all but can see that perhaps there were some red lines she still felt she could not cross.

If the argument is that the vote to leave the EU is so sacrosanct that no argument against it is valid, then she is not entitled to red lines. We must leave. The convenience of the Conservative Party, let alone of her particular leadership of it cannot stop us leaving.

Omnium said:

geoffw said:

Pulpstar said:

Floater said:

twistedfirestopper3 said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

SouthamObserver said:

Well, I gave Mrs May credit for reaching out to Labour and putting country. It looks like I could well have been wrong - as many on here told me I was. I’m still hoping not, though. Surely even she wouldn’t be so stupidly dishonest as that.

If it is true France, Spain and Belgium are going to refuse an extension then the HOC have to decide next Thursday

TM deal - revoke

If they revoke, then what?

Jeremy Corbyn pm because the tories will be monstered

The Tories will be out of power for 20 years if we revoke

But not if we leave without a deal.

I imagine it's roughly like this;

Revoke = bye, bye Tories.
Referendum = Tory skeleton staff
Crappy CU or some such deal = Tories split
May's deal = Tories reunited
No deal = Tories reunited, but with defectors

I actually think in purely long-term party political terms 'no deal' is likely to be better, and especially if that's forced upon us by the EU.

I'm not sure about Labour's equation at all. I think it looks like;

Revoke = horrible, but worse for Tories. Labour splits
Referendum = Labour splits in a small way
Crappy CU or some other deal = Labour on the march
May's deal = Pretty neutral
No deal = Slightly blind-sided

I buy that.

There’s a danger people accept political showboating now with what happens on Wednesday.

Chaos in the run up to the EU elections isn’t what leaders want . Macron can’t afford any more calamities and short term point scoring won’t help in the long run .

The EU will make sure any no deal is down to the UK . It’s likely conditions will be placed on any extension and it will be the final one offered.

We heard all this rhetoric before the last extension . The current hardline is to force the UK to come up with a plan .

Revoke would be a dreamy outcome. If that happens I'm going to round up a posse of pals in Hampstead and we'll get the train up to Barnsley and reassure the locals that their concerns about globalization will be addressed.

isam said:

My new early to bed regime means I have only just caught up with last nights edition of This Week... overjoyed to hear Michael Portillo make the point I have repeated ad infinitum, including in a tweet to Nigel Farage himself...

"...the middle road, the Customs Union, would have seemed marvellous to leavers four years ago, and now seems an absolute cheat"

May's Deal is at least 80% Hard on the Soft-Hard Brexit axis.

Even a May's Deal plus CU would be about 67% Hard.

Yet for some people the only permissible Brexit is now an unplanned, uncontrolled crash-out No Deal.

Its the equivalent of people demanding that a new Conservative government privatise the NHS.

Foxy said:

IanB2 said:

bigjohnowls said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

Floater said:

twistedfirestopper3 said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

SouthamObserver said:

Well, I gave Mrs May credit for reaching out to Labour and putting country. It looks like I could well have been wrong - as many on here told me I was. I’m still hoping not, though. Surely even she wouldn’t be so stupidly dishonest as that.

If it is true France, Spain and Belgium are going to refuse an extension then the HOC have to decide next Thursday

TM deal - revoke

If they revoke, then what?

Jeremy Corbyn pm because the tories will be monstered

More likely Heidi Allen or Chuka

Neither will be MPs let alone PM

Heidi will sail through

I dont think any of ChUK started their breakaway as a means to careerism. I think they are all astute enough to know that they are each likely to lose their seats at the next GE.

Well at least that gives us something to look forward to.

SouthamObserver said:

geoffw said:

Ishmael_Z said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

TGOHF said:

France are now safe to say no extension and turf the Uk out. They wouldn't get the blame.

May - rightly - would.

Win win win all round.

That is utter nonsense. If France do this it will be France and their supporters who will be blamed

In a closely contested field, I think I would blame ERG most, followed by May and Corbyn, followed by the DUP, then the rest of the HoC, then Ireland. I would rank France after all that lot for responsibility for a no deal exit, but saying they are responsible is not the same thing as blaming them. I don't see what they would have done wrong.

Who cares who you would blame? It's the voters' perception of blame that matters.

The government, the ERG and the rest of Parliament have done all they can to ensure that the EU will not be blamed for any No Deal.

I agree. Much as I want to be out of the EU I don't see how there is much blame that can be attached to them for the current impasse. The inability to do something that was easily possible if all sides in Parliament had shown some compromise is an entirely home grown problem.

If we leave with no deal, the EU will not start any sort of talks with us without basically re-agreeing the backstop.

ExiledInScotland said:

Foxy said:

ExiledInScotland said:

O/T. For any of our medics here; If esophageal cancer has blocked the pipe so much that a rod had to be pushed through before a stent could be fitted, and then the stent has failed, is a feeding tube possible? I can't find anything about this

It is possible to do a feeding gastrostomy. This is an opening from the upper abdomen to the stomach, so food gan go directly into the stomach. It is also possible to do Total Parental Nutrition intravenously.

The prognosis though at this stage is very grim indeed, and palliative care may well be kinder.

Thank you. That is what I feared. My brother - nine years older than me.

I’m sorry to hear that. Be well

Omnium said:

geoffw said:

Pulpstar said:

Floater said:

twistedfirestopper3 said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

SouthamObserver said:

Well, I gave Mrs May credit for reaching out to Labour and putting country. It looks like I could well have been wrong - as many on here told me I was. I’m still hoping not, though. Surely even she wouldn’t be so stupidly dishonest as that.

If it is true France, Spain and Belgium are going to refuse an extension then the HOC have to decide next Thursday

TM deal - revoke

If they revoke, then what?

Jeremy Corbyn pm because the tories will be monstered

The Tories will be out of power for 20 years if we revoke

But not if we leave without a deal.

I imagine it's roughly like this;

Revoke = bye, bye Tories.
Referendum = Tory skeleton staff
Crappy CU or some such deal = Tories split
May's deal = Tories reunited
No deal = Tories reunited, but with defectors

I actually think in purely long-term party political terms 'no deal' is likely to be better, and especially if that's forced upon us by the EU.

I'm not sure about Labour's equation at all. I think it looks like;

Revoke = horrible, but worse for Tories. Labour splits
Referendum = Labour splits in a small way
Crappy CU or some other deal = Labour on the march
May's deal = Pretty neutral
No deal = Slightly blind-sided

Don't overlook the effect of Brexit, as well as the fact of it. Any disruption or downturn will be blamed on the Conservatives, with the reverse true if Brexit does lead to the sunlit uplands.

Andrew said:

NorthofStoke said:

In May's statement offering talks with Labour there was a carefully constructed couple of sentences on what should happen if agreement was not reached. That the Government and Opposition would agree a set of proposals to be put to the vote with both Opposition and Government accepting the verdict of the house. I think this is the end game.

Agreed - I presumed as much when the talks were announced. Corbyn had to accept, but agreeing anything is politically self-destructive. He can just let things play out, the Tories take the hit (and the economy of course).

Problem now though: with a year long flextension mooted, it's not the end game. MPs will just vote down everything again.

Macron might be doing us a favour if he vetoed any more extensions.

Yes. A time limit ensures clarity: an outcome must be reached. If MPs are given a week more to faff, they will faff for a week. If they're given a year more to faff, they will faff for a year. If they're given five more years to faff, then there will have to be a GE at some point - but if that produces a House of Commons with more-or-less exactly the same balance of forces as this one (which would be absolutely typical) then they'll continue to faff.

So, either the EU27 send May off with a flea in her ear on Wednesday, or MPs will continue to faff and faff and faff.

The_Taxman said:

another_richard said:

isam said:

My new early to bed regime means I have only just caught up with last nights edition of This Week... overjoyed to hear Michael Portillo make the point I have repeated ad infinitum, including in a tweet to Nigel Farage himself...

"...the middle road, the Customs Union, would have seemed marvellous to leavers four years ago, and now seems an absolute cheat"

May's Deal is at least 80% Hard on the Soft-Hard Brexit axis.

Even a May's Deal plus CU would be about 67% Hard.

Yet for some people the only permissible Brexit is now an unplanned, uncontrolled crash-out No Deal.

Its the equivalent of people demanding that a new Conservative government privatise the NHS.

It is far worse than that and more damaging! No Deal is rightly seen as being toxic to the economy and the people who live on our islands.

It does not cease to amaze me how the siren voices of No Deal still get some traction with people. Like conspiracy theories a significant number of people will believe anything but the downright obvious!

I imagine you mean that its downright obvious that 'no deal' would be bad. Entirely true. It's reasonably obvious that there's a huge opportunity to build up though. The Sirens are calling from safer rocks.

No 10 still peddling delivering the Brexit people voted for line .

What Brexit was that ?

bigjohnowls said:

Foxy said:

kinabalu said:

Revoke would be a dreamy outcome. If that happens I'm going to round up a posse of pals in Hampstead and we'll get the train up to Barnsley and reassure the locals that their concerns about globalization will be addressed.

Sounds a great outing to make peace with the Leavers. I will bring some hummus and quiche to cheer them up.

You need pickled eggs and black puddings then all will be well

Is vegan black pudding substitute availible, to meet them halfway?

Omnium said:

NickPalmer said:

AndyJS said:

Has it been confirmed that the Euro elections will be taking place in the UK?

No, but both parties are in full preparation mode. Labour selections start next week.

Hat in ring?

That'd be odd - to be elected to a parliament where you never actually take your seat. I presume there might be some pretty juicy pension rights etc for the taking?

I will consider voting 'monster raving loony' if we have elections where we expect the candidates never to participate in the body they're being elected to.

I wouldn't have thought there would be any reward to speak of. I'm giving it a little thought but would need to ensure it didn't risk my real job. I'm in the SE and the sitting MEP will stand again followed by a female candidate, so unless there was a huge Labour surge then winning would not be something I'd need to worry about!

Foxy said:

kinabalu said:

Revoke would be a dreamy outcome. If that happens I'm going to round up a posse of pals in Hampstead and we'll get the train up to Barnsley and reassure the locals that their concerns about globalization will be addressed.

Sounds a great outing to make peace with the Leavers. I will bring some hummus and quiche to cheer them up.

You are a sneering tosspot sometimes @Foxy

Charles said:

Foxy said:

kinabalu said:

Revoke would be a dreamy outcome. If that happens I'm going to round up a posse of pals in Hampstead and we'll get the train up to Barnsley and reassure the locals that their concerns about globalization will be addressed.

Sounds a great outing to make peace with the Leavers. I will bring some hummus and quiche to cheer them up.

You are a sneering tosspot sometimes @Foxy

He was being humourous, not sneering.

viewcode said:

Charles said:

Foxy said:

kinabalu said:

Revoke would be a dreamy outcome. If that happens I'm going to round up a posse of pals in Hampstead and we'll get the train up to Barnsley and reassure the locals that their concerns about globalization will be addressed.

Sounds a great outing to make peace with the Leavers. I will bring some hummus and quiche to cheer them up.

You are a sneering tosspot sometimes @Foxy

He was being humourous, not sneering.

You are being too kind

Charles said:

Foxy said:

kinabalu said:

Revoke would be a dreamy outcome. If that happens I'm going to round up a posse of pals in Hampstead and we'll get the train up to Barnsley and reassure the locals that their concerns about globalization will be addressed.

Sounds a great outing to make peace with the Leavers. I will bring some hummus and quiche to cheer them up.

You are a sneering tosspot sometimes @Foxy

He is most of the time.

felix said:

SandyRentool said:

May keeps demonstrating that she is the most untrustworthy politician of her generation (the one that hasn't been 'skipped'). Shameless.

On the basis at the moment of what Labour are saying about talks which are still ongoing? Does no-one on ere understand politics?

Starmer has said that we want to keep talking, but May's team need to offer some beef. So far they haven't even offered tofu.

Foxy said:

kinabalu said:

Revoke would be a dreamy outcome. If that happens I'm going to round up a posse of pals in Hampstead and we'll get the train up to Barnsley and reassure the locals that their concerns about globalization will be addressed.

Sounds a great outing to make peace with the Leavers. I will bring some hummus and quiche to cheer them up.

Better take a flask though as you won’t be able to get your free Waitrose latte each day oop north - they don’t have many shops in leave voting areas.

Happy sneering at the ‘plebs’!

SandyRentool said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Heidi Allen on C4 News

A two-tissue interview Sunil?

I wasn't paying attention

(EDIT: only kidding!)

bigjohnowls said:

Foxy said:

Charles said:

Foxy said:

kinabalu said:

Revoke would be a dreamy outcome. If that happens I'm going to round up a posse of pals in Hampstead and we'll get the train up to Barnsley and reassure the locals that their concerns about globalization will be addressed.

Sounds a great outing to make peace with the Leavers. I will bring some hummus and quiche to cheer them up.

You are a sneering tosspot sometimes @Foxy

I am from a northern mining town myself. Just making some gentle humour.

The EU is not the source of Barnsleys problems. Or my hometown of Wigan.

40 years of Neo Liberalism on the other hand

And how is Brexit going to help that?

Foxy said:

bigjohnowls said:

Foxy said:

Charles said:

Foxy said:

kinabalu said:

Revoke would be a dreamy outcome. If that happens I'm going to round up a posse of pals in Hampstead and we'll get the train up to Barnsley and reassure the locals that their concerns about globalization will be addressed.

Sounds a great outing to make peace with the Leavers. I will bring some hummus and quiche to cheer them up.

You are a sneering tosspot sometimes @Foxy

I am from a northern mining town myself. Just making some gentle humour.

The EU is not the source of Barnsleys problems. Or my hometown of Wigan.

40 years of Neo Liberalism on the other hand

And how is Brexit going to help that?

The EU is a capitalist hegemony. Only Brexit gives us the chance to unleash full-blooded socialism.

Foxy said:

bigjohnowls said:

Foxy said:

Charles said:

Foxy said:

kinabalu said:

Revoke would be a dreamy outcome. If that happens I'm going to round up a posse of pals in Hampstead and we'll get the train up to Barnsley and reassure the locals that their concerns about globalization will be addressed.

Sounds a great outing to make peace with the Leavers. I will bring some hummus and quiche to cheer them up.

You are a sneering tosspot sometimes @Foxy

I am from a northern mining town myself. Just making some gentle humour.

The EU is not the source of Barnsleys problems. Or my hometown of Wigan.

40 years of Neo Liberalism on the other hand

And how is Brexit going to help that?

Indeed, that is the real question that needs to be addressed whether we Revoke or No Deal.

How do we remake the country, economy and society so that the left behind are no longer left behind. We can only be a united country again when it works for everyone.

Foxy said:

bigjohnowls said:

Foxy said:

Charles said:

Foxy said:

kinabalu said:

Revoke would be a dreamy outcome. If that happens I'm going to round up a posse of pals in Hampstead and we'll get the train up to Barnsley and reassure the locals that their concerns about globalization will be addressed.

Sounds a great outing to make peace with the Leavers. I will bring some hummus and quiche to cheer them up.

You are a sneering tosspot sometimes @Foxy

I am from a northern mining town myself. Just making some gentle humour.

The EU is not the source of Barnsleys problems. Or my hometown of Wigan.

40 years of Neo Liberalism on the other hand

And how is Brexit going to help that?

Too busy to reply Coronation Street is on

As anybody from a Northern Mining Town should know.

Apparently the Home office has already removed the words European union from the front page of all new passports being issued even though we haven’t left yet. They assumed we would leave on 29 March.

Some Guardian readers are very upset as they wanted an EU momento before the new blue passports come in. Susan Hindle Barone is outraged and feels absolutely sick about it!

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/apr/05/uk-removes-words-european-union-from-british-passports

steve_garner said:

Foxy said:

kinabalu said:

Revoke would be a dreamy outcome. If that happens I'm going to round up a posse of pals in Hampstead and we'll get the train up to Barnsley and reassure the locals that their concerns about globalization will be addressed.

Sounds a great outing to make peace with the Leavers. I will bring some hummus and quiche to cheer them up.

Might I suggest a jug of Pims too, seeing as it's getting near the summer.

Actually Barnsley does do Pimms Cucumber is one of our 5 a day

bigjohnowls said:

Foxy said:

bigjohnowls said:

Foxy said:

Charles said:

Foxy said:

kinabalu said:

Revoke would be a dreamy outcome. If that happens I'm going to round up a posse of pals in Hampstead and we'll get the train up to Barnsley and reassure the locals that their concerns about globalization will be addressed.

Sounds a great outing to make peace with the Leavers. I will bring some hummus and quiche to cheer them up.

You are a sneering tosspot sometimes @Foxy

I am from a northern mining town myself. Just making some gentle humour.

The EU is not the source of Barnsleys problems. Or my hometown of Wigan.

40 years of Neo Liberalism on the other hand

And how is Brexit going to help that?

Too busy to reply Coronation Street is on

As anybody from a Northern Mining Town should know.

You can watch proper Corrie on YouTube.

I'm convinced Thatcher modeled herself on Annie Walker.

Foxy said:

Foxy said:

bigjohnowls said:

Foxy said:

Charles said:

Foxy said:

kinabalu said:

Revoke would be a dreamy outcome. If that happens I'm going to round up a posse of pals in Hampstead and we'll get the train up to Barnsley and reassure the locals that their concerns about globalization will be addressed.

Sounds a great outing to make peace with the Leavers. I will bring some hummus and quiche to cheer them up.

You are a sneering tosspot sometimes @Foxy

I am from a northern mining town myself. Just making some gentle humour.

The EU is not the source of Barnsleys problems. Or my hometown of Wigan.

40 years of Neo Liberalism on the other hand

And how is Brexit going to help that?

Indeed, that is the real question that needs to be addressed whether we Revoke or No Deal.

How do we remake the country, economy and society so that the left behind are no longer left behind. We can only be a united country again when it works for everyone.

I think we can safely assume that Rees-Mogg and the rest of the ERG have very little interest in dealing with this issue.

Sunil_Prasannan said:

SandyRentool said:

Foxy said:

bigjohnowls said:

Foxy said:

Charles said:

Foxy said:

kinabalu said:

Revoke would be a dreamy outcome. If that happens I'm going to round up a posse of pals in Hampstead and we'll get the train up to Barnsley and reassure the locals that their concerns about globalization will be addressed.

Sounds a great outing to make peace with the Leavers. I will bring some hummus and quiche to cheer them up.

You are a sneering tosspot sometimes @Foxy

I am from a northern mining town myself. Just making some gentle humour.

The EU is not the source of Barnsleys problems. Or my hometown of Wigan.

40 years of Neo Liberalism on the other hand

And how is Brexit going to help that?

The EU is a capitalist hegemony. Only Brexit gives us the chance to unleash full-blooded socialism.

Railway Nationalisation?

And I thought you liked Trains.

Foxy said:

Foxy said:

bigjohnowls said:

Foxy said:

Charles said:

Foxy said:

kinabalu said:

Revoke would be a dreamy outcome. If that happens I'm going to round up a posse of pals in Hampstead and we'll get the train up to Barnsley and reassure the locals that their concerns about globalization will be addressed.

Sounds a great outing to make peace with the Leavers. I will bring some hummus and quiche to cheer them up.

You are a sneering tosspot sometimes @Foxy

I am from a northern mining town myself. Just making some gentle humour.

The EU is not the source of Barnsleys problems. Or my hometown of Wigan.

40 years of Neo Liberalism on the other hand

And how is Brexit going to help that?

Indeed, that is the real question that needs to be addressed whether we Revoke or No Deal.

How do we remake the country, economy and society so that the left behind are no longer left behind. We can only be a united country again when it works for everyone.

And you know what the ironic thing is ?

Its the young, educated, indebted, urban Remain voters who have received the shit sandwich.

Its not the poor who are losing out - they've always lost out and always will - but those who are the victims of middle class regression.

SouthamObserver said:

Foxy said:

Foxy said:

bigjohnowls said:

Foxy said:

Charles said:

Foxy said:

kinabalu said:

Revoke would be a dreamy outcome. If that happens I'm going to round up a posse of pals in Hampstead and we'll get the train up to Barnsley and reassure the locals that their concerns about globalization will be addressed.

Sounds a great outing to make peace with the Leavers. I will bring some hummus and quiche to cheer them up.

You are a sneering tosspot sometimes @Foxy

I am from a northern mining town myself. Just making some gentle humour.

The EU is not the source of Barnsleys problems. Or my hometown of Wigan.

40 years of Neo Liberalism on the other hand

And how is Brexit going to help that?

Indeed, that is the real question that needs to be addressed whether we Revoke or No Deal.

How do we remake the country, economy and society so that the left behind are no longer left behind. We can only be a united country again when it works for everyone.

I think we can safely assume that Rees-Mogg and the rest of the ERG have very little interest in dealing with this issue.

Bit rich coming from people who never realised there was a problem and then proceeded to call people thick old racist gammons the one time they didn’t get their way...

Black_Rook said:

brendan16 said:

Apparently the Home office has already removed the words European union from the front page of all new passports being issued even though we haven’t left yet. They assumed we would leave on 29 March.

Some Guardian readers are very upset as they wanted an EU momento before the new blue passports come in. Susan Hindle Barone is outraged and feels absolutely sick about it!

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/apr/05/uk-removes-words-european-union-from-british-passports

Hmmmm - if we end up staying in after all, then will there be any obligation upon the Government to recall all those new passports and replace them with new new ones that have the appropriate wording?

It's not just the front cover, of course. Some of the text inside a UK passport is (or at any rate was) translated into the official languages of all other EU member states.

Bloody incompetent Home Office! How could they not know precisely what was happening when, given the Government has made it so clear?

Jeremy Hunt now almost imploring the EU to give the UK an extension . Perhaps the penny has finally dropped . No deal game over for the Tories for a very long time . There seems to be some bizarre notion that no deal saves the Tories .

Those who have joined the no deal fan club will soon turn on those who said it would all be fine .

Foxy said:

Foxy said:

bigjohnowls said:

Foxy said:

Charles said:

Foxy said:

kinabalu said:

Revoke would be a dreamy outcome. If that happens I'm going to round up a posse of pals in Hampstead and we'll get the train up to Barnsley and reassure the locals that their concerns about globalization will be addressed.

Sounds a great outing to make peace with the Leavers. I will bring some hummus and quiche to cheer them up.

You are a sneering tosspot sometimes @Foxy

I am from a northern mining town myself. Just making some gentle humour.

The EU is not the source of Barnsleys problems. Or my hometown of Wigan.

40 years of Neo Liberalism on the other hand

And how is Brexit going to help that?

Indeed, that is the real question that needs to be addressed whether we Revoke or No Deal.

How do we remake the country, economy and society so that the left behind are no longer left behind. We can only be a united country again when it works for everyone.

A question eI asked twice the other night and only @Cyclefree managed a reply

If the result is overturned, what will those in charge do to make the lives of the 52% minority better?

Come on you Saints!

nico67 said:

Jeremy Hunt now almost imploring the EU to give the UK an extension . Perhaps the penny has finally dropped . No deal game over for the Tories for a very long time . There seems to be some bizarre notion that no deal saves the Tories .

Those who have joined the no deal fan club will soon turn on those who said it would all be fine .

I'll tell you a riddle. You're waiting for a deal, a deal that will take you far away. You know where you hope this deal will take you, but you don't know for sure. But it doesn't matter. How can it not matter to you where the deal will take you?

dixiedean said:

Am increasingly resigned to No Deal. It is the only thing that ultra Leavers will accept. Suppose we need to strap in and go through it.
Then work out what the heck comes next...

I can't lie to you about your chances... but you have my sympathies.

RobD said:

brokenwheel said:

brendan16 said:

Apparently the Home office has already removed the words European union from the front page of all new passports being issued even though we haven’t left yet. They assumed we would leave on 29 March.

Some Guardian readers are very upset as they wanted an EU momento before the new blue passports come in. Susan Hindle Barone is outraged and feels absolutely sick about it!

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/apr/05/uk-removes-words-european-union-from-british-passports

Oh well, guess we can’t revoke now. It’s done.

I just knew leaving would be easy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8mJDng1Ikw

SouthamObserver said:

Foxy said:

Foxy said:

bigjohnowls said:

Foxy said:

Charles said:

Foxy said:

kinabalu said:

Revoke would be a dreamy outcome. If that happens I'm going to round up a posse of pals in Hampstead and we'll get the train up to Barnsley and reassure the locals that their concerns about globalization will be addressed.

Sounds a great outing to make peace with the Leavers. I will bring some hummus and quiche to cheer them up.

You are a sneering tosspot sometimes @Foxy

I am from a northern mining town myself. Just making some gentle humour.

The EU is not the source of Barnsleys problems. Or my hometown of Wigan.

40 years of Neo Liberalism on the other hand

And how is Brexit going to help that?

Indeed, that is the real question that needs to be addressed whether we Revoke or No Deal.

How do we remake the country, economy and society so that the left behind are no longer left behind. We can only be a united country again when it works for everyone.

I think we can safely assume that Rees-Mogg and the rest of the ERG have very little interest in dealing with this issue.

Nobody does.