The DUP believe saying they want something a lot will make it so. That's either stupid or dishonest. They love to talk about how principled they are so I assume honesty forms part if that. Leaving...
@Pulpstar - Coventry/Warwickshire accents - absolutely. There are a few.
Where I used to live in Southam the accent was very flat, much more east Midlands than west. Coventry definitely has its own accent. My wife was born in Princethorpe, a tiny village halfway between Leamington and Roog-be (Rugby). She has no accent as such but her pronunciations of words (pub, grass, etc) are much more northern than southern. And there are specific words you never hear in London.
It's interesting how much accents change over relatively short distances in that general area.
Manchester vs Liverpool I always find quite incredible. 20-30 miles in lots of areas results in only slight differences, which usually only locals can really pick upon, between those two cities it is so distinct even those not from the UK can easily spot them.
Yes, that's always puzzled me too.
It must be one of the most pronounced (sorry!) differences across a short distance. All the more baffling given the long history of trade and transport between the two cities.
I always assumed that the unique Scouse accent was due to it being virtually an Irish colony. It even returned an Irish Nationalist MP until (I think) 1919. Manchester has a strong Irish influence too of course but you can still hear the underlying Lancashire.
I grew up in Reading before moving aged 10 to a village between Canterbury and Whitstable. Trying to iron out my Berkshire infused East Kent estuary into RP at Oxford has left me with a horrible bastard hybrid that means I get mistaken for Australian far more often than I’d like.
The Scouse of Stevie Gerrard is a relatively recent phenomenon. Even in the sixties it was far more similar to other Lancashire accents. Listen to the young Beatles. Apart from John, they were very working class, but they don't have the d sound for th, nor the k sound pronounced as in "loch". My only explanation is that the decline of port traffic and heavy emigration and unemployment led to isolation. Which often breeds stronger accents.
Interesting. I always did think that Gerrard’s accent was almost exaggerated
Sajid Javid has drifted quite a long way in the betting. He doesn't seem to have done anything wrong so much as the caravan has moved on. Has he been definitively eclipsed by Jeremy Hunt as the candidate of the self-defining pragmatic middle?
To a DUPist every negotiation can be won by shouting “no” repeatedly and conceding when further subsides are offered. That’s not an option here so some distance outside their skillset.
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Really sorry about that though, while we rarely agree it is important as many views as possible are available to PB. I do understand, as I am sure many will, how addictive PB can become but you are right to prioritise work. As Ben says when you return nothing will have changed or, maybe, everything has
Sajid Javid has drifted quite a long way in the betting. He doesn't seem to have done anything wrong so much as the caravan has moved on. Has he been definitively eclipsed by Jeremy Hunt as the candidate of the self-defining pragmatic middle?
There are suggestions that it might end up being a Hunt/Javid ticket.
Sajid Javid has drifted quite a long way in the betting. He doesn't seem to have done anything wrong so much as the caravan has moved on. Has he been definitively eclipsed by Jeremy Hunt as the candidate of the self-defining pragmatic middle?
I just wanted to write to say see you later to everyone. Spending too much time addicted to this site and not enough time getting my work done so requested TSE to temporarily ban me. Will request the ban to be lifted once I've got my work completed. Hopefully it will be before Brexit but that may not be saying much!
Sajid Javid has drifted quite a long way in the betting. He doesn't seem to have done anything wrong so much as the caravan has moved on. Has he been definitively eclipsed by Jeremy Hunt as the candidate of the self-defining pragmatic middle?
Keep in mind though the little noted decision by the Conservative Party to send four candidates through to the members ballot rather two.
That really blows everything open and at this point I'm not sure how anyone could pick a favourite in this contest.
Sajid Javid has drifted quite a long way in the betting. He doesn't seem to have done anything wrong so much as the caravan has moved on. Has he been definitively eclipsed by Jeremy Hunt as the candidate of the self-defining pragmatic middle?
Keep in mind though the little noted decision by the Conservative Party to send four candidates through to the members ballot rather two.
That really blows everything open and at this point I'm not sure how anyone could pick a favourite in this contest.
Is that actually a decision rather than a proposal? If so, buy Boris.
Sajid Javid has drifted quite a long way in the betting. He doesn't seem to have done anything wrong so much as the caravan has moved on. Has he been definitively eclipsed by Jeremy Hunt as the candidate of the self-defining pragmatic middle?
Keep in mind though the little noted decision by the Conservative Party to send four candidates through to the members ballot rather two.
That really blows everything open and at this point I'm not sure how anyone could pick a favourite in this contest.
Is that actually a decision rather than a proposal? If so, buy Boris.
No, it was floated in the Sun but I don't think there's any serious momentum behind it. Pun intended.
Sajid Javid has drifted quite a long way in the betting. He doesn't seem to have done anything wrong so much as the caravan has moved on. Has he been definitively eclipsed by Jeremy Hunt as the candidate of the self-defining pragmatic middle?
Keep in mind though the little noted decision by the Conservative Party to send four candidates through to the members ballot rather two.
That really blows everything open and at this point I'm not sure how anyone could pick a favourite in this contest.
Is that actually a decision rather than a proposal? If so, buy Boris.
Sajid Javid has drifted quite a long way in the betting. He doesn't seem to have done anything wrong so much as the caravan has moved on. Has he been definitively eclipsed by Jeremy Hunt as the candidate of the self-defining pragmatic middle?
Hunt/Gove dream ticket either order? That would be a wrap surely. Would beat Raab/Truss quite comfortably.
Looking at the present situation it is clear that Tusk and the EU, when looking down the barrel of no deal, have blinked and hope that by agreeing to a flexible extension they do not have to face the Irish border issue which was causing such panic by Varadkar in yesterday's press conference with Merkel. The problem for the EU is that it goes against everything Macron has said to date
As far as brexit itself is concerned the dial is moving away from ERG and the DUP and now the parties are in discussion I cannot see this returning to an issue that the ERG have the ability to change. I expect that the present negotiations will be expanded to include the SNP, and the devolved powers and eventually a compromise deal should emerge probably on a similar vein to TM deal or Norway plus v referendum
I expect history will not be kind to ERG and that they will be seen as the ultimate destroyers of their own project. It would have been all so different if they had backed TM deal on the first vote and we would now be out of the EU on a fair deal
I expect TM will resist any demands for her to leave office until brexit is much more settled and even then she may not stand down. After all it was the ERG who cemented her Premiership with an ill considered premature attempt to vonc her.
I am as relaxed over brexit as I have been in a long time as no deal seems to be disappearing and the HOC realises they have to come together to resolve this. I accept that TM should have been more collegiate before now but we cannot change that. We must look forward now to a brighter future, either closely aligned with the EU or even as a member
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I just wanted to write to say see you later to everyone. Spending too much time addicted to this site and not enough time getting my work done so requested TSE to temporarily ban me. Will request the ban to be lifted once I've got my work completed. Hopefully it will be before Brexit but that may not be saying much!
Have fun and good luck everyone. Bye for now.
Another Leaver leaves the crease, having failed to trouble the scorers.
Sajid Javid has drifted quite a long way in the betting. He doesn't seem to have done anything wrong so much as the caravan has moved on. Has he been definitively eclipsed by Jeremy Hunt as the candidate of the self-defining pragmatic middle?
Keep in mind though the little noted decision by the Conservative Party to send four candidates through to the members ballot rather two.
That really blows everything open and at this point I'm not sure how anyone could pick a favourite in this contest.
Is that actually a decision rather than a proposal? If so, buy Boris.
I have not had it confirmed, even that it is being discussed
Incidentally, the rumour that the burst pipe was caused to flood the Commons in order to make the chamber suitable for your new enormo-haddock overlords is completely untrue.
As we know, the enormo-haddock can breathe both air and water.
Sajid Javid has drifted quite a long way in the betting. He doesn't seem to have done anything wrong so much as the caravan has moved on. Has he been definitively eclipsed by Jeremy Hunt as the candidate of the self-defining pragmatic middle?
Keep in mind though the little noted decision by the Conservative Party to send four candidates through to the members ballot rather two.
That really blows everything open and at this point I'm not sure how anyone could pick a favourite in this contest.
Interesting, I missed that, when was that decided?
Hancock seems a bit lightweight to me. Does he have the heft to be PM of a premier league country like Britain? Not to my mind he doesn't.
Do any of them?
No but
Ken Clarke who does is 78 Michael Heseltine who does is 86 Chris Patten who does has had poor health and two of these elder statesmen are in the Lords!!
In the age range 40-60, a Labour team of Emily Thornberry and Jess Phillips would appear to offer the country more than any of the Tory teams on offer. There aren't quite any leaders in the HoC on a par with Wilson, Williams, Castle, Jenkins or Foot (all five were in the cabinet at the same time, I think).
I just wanted to write to say see you later to everyone. Spending too much time addicted to this site and not enough time getting my work done so requested TSE to temporarily ban me. Will request the ban to be lifted once I've got my work completed. Hopefully it will be before Brexit but that may not be saying much!
Have fun and good luck everyone. Bye for now.
Another Leaver leaves the crease, having failed to trouble the scorers.
We should wish him good luck. And hope he'll be back for the people's vote discussion.
Sajid Javid has drifted quite a long way in the betting. He doesn't seem to have done anything wrong so much as the caravan has moved on. Has he been definitively eclipsed by Jeremy Hunt as the candidate of the self-defining pragmatic middle?
Keep in mind though the little noted decision by the Conservative Party to send four candidates through to the members ballot rather two.
That really blows everything open and at this point I'm not sure how anyone could pick a favourite in this contest.
Interesting, I missed that, when was that decided?
Just a rumour in the Sun, certainly not being discussed
Not good. Ordered by NHS 111 to go to emergency care centre. That’ll be a fun afternoon......
Sorry, didn't respond as I was doing music festival stuff - but as others have said, get it sorted pronto. Those long thread headers are going to be a bugger to type one-fingered otherwise!
Sajid Javid has drifted quite a long way in the betting. He doesn't seem to have done anything wrong so much as the caravan has moved on. Has he been definitively eclipsed by Jeremy Hunt as the candidate of the self-defining pragmatic middle?
Keep in mind though the little noted decision by the Conservative Party to send four candidates through to the members ballot rather two.
That really blows everything open and at this point I'm not sure how anyone could pick a favourite in this contest.
Interesting, I missed that, when was that decided?
Just a rumour in the Sun, certainly not being discussed
I think you are member, as am I, do you think we might have been told? Well I guess maybe not. More likely it is more shit on the pages of the Sun than you generally find in a navvy's privy.
Just reading the thread header about Matt Hancock.
I don't know what it is about him but he comes across as very sly and I would not feel comfortable trusting him (politically speaking). Mind you at least he looks his age unlike the defence Secretary who looks and sounds like he is a teenager. Tory boys!
O/T I see in the media another company run by a Brexiteer is showing their confidence in the UK by closing down some of the businesses they lead. This time it is the intellectual titan Tim Martin who is presiding over job losses as the number of pubs he runs diminishes.
Whatever people think of Nicola Sturgeon she has always made clear EU citizens are welcome in Scotland . And has made every effort to make them feel part of the community and she wants them to stay . Again today we see that in her letter to EU Citizens.
My admiration for NS continues to grow. As opposed to May and her disgraceful queue jumper comments aimed at EU nationals , probably not that shocking when you realize she employs none other than the vile DM journalist of Enemies of the People and other assorted despicable stories as part of her team .
Sajid Javid has drifted quite a long way in the betting. He doesn't seem to have done anything wrong so much as the caravan has moved on. Has he been definitively eclipsed by Jeremy Hunt as the candidate of the self-defining pragmatic middle?
"self-defining pragmatic middle"
unprincipled, self-serving shits
I see Google Translate has added Meeks to its languages.
Lord Ashcroft is trying to recruit him and Julia Hartley-Brewer for The Brexit Party
Lord Ashcroft in favour of Remain then is he?
Maybe they could follow in the foorsteps of the hated no hopers Boris Johnson, Nigel Farage and Donald Trump
Is this like one of those HIGNFY spot the odd one out rounds? I'm guessing it is Nigel Farage, because Nigel Farage owns a pussy and the other two like to....
Mr. Isam, it was. And had Farage been identified more with Leave (or the official campaign) I agree with you it would've significantly harmed Leave's chances.
But it remains eminently stupid language for Cameron to have used, and adding Farage's name to it doesn't change that.
Mr. Isam, it was. And had Farage been identified more with Leave (or the official campaign) I agree with you it would've significantly harmed Leave's chances.
But it remains eminently stupid language for Cameron to have used, and adding Farage's name to it doesn't change that.
That was Vote Leaves thinking apparently, Farage would have a ceiling of 35-40%; people who were going to vote Leave anyway, and they needed a more mainstream figure to get 50%+0.1
I wonder what interesting things Julian Assange will have to say to the rozzers when he emerges and is duly arrested. There must be a lot of people queuing up to have a chat with him about his activities of one sort or another.
Whatever people think of Nicola Sturgeon she has always made clear EU citizens are welcome in Scotland . And has made every effort to make them feel part of the community and she wants them to stay . Again today we see that in her letter to EU Citizens.
My admiration for NS continues to grow. As opposed to May and her disgraceful queue jumper comments aimed at EU nationals , probably not that shocking when you realize she employs none other than the vile DM journalist of Enemies of the People and other assorted despicable stories as part of her team .
It was a terrible and unforgivable error not to make the offer of permanent settlement to all existing EU citizens in the UK the day after she became leader. There is literally no reasonable explanation as to why she would not. The old chestnut of wanting reciprocation from the EU is simply code for saying she was willing to use EU citizens as a bargaining chip.
Just one of a huge number of terrible decisions she has made.
The tories need to get their version of the story out and quickly.
Yes, because for one thing I thought it accepted by now the her 'deal, the WA, cannot be changed.
It only ever looked like a blaming exercise. What could the government possibly offer Labour that would get them on board, when for most of them their policy is referendum (and thereafter remain)? Corbyn might be amenable but there's only so much wiggle room he would have, and not much for May either.
If its about not changing the PD that seems pretty dumb of May and her team, given people seem to agree it doesn't mean much
The tories need to get their version of the story out and quickly.
Yes, because for one thing I thought it accepted by now the her 'deal, the WA, cannot be changed.
It only ever looked like a blaming exercise. What could the government possibly offer Labour that would get them on board, when for most of them their policy is referendum (and thereafter remain)? Corbyn might be amenable but there's only so much wiggle room he would have, and not much for May either.
Sajid Javid has drifted quite a long way in the betting. He doesn't seem to have done anything wrong so much as the caravan has moved on. Has he been definitively eclipsed by Jeremy Hunt as the candidate of the self-defining pragmatic middle?
"self-defining pragmatic middle"
unprincipled, self-serving shits
I see Google Translate has added Meeks to its languages.
I wonder what interesting things Julian Assange will have to say to the rozzers when he emerges and is duly arrested. There must be a lot of people queuing up to have a chat with him about his activities of one sort or another.
What will they arrest him for? Haven't the Swedes dropped their request for extradition due to the statute of limitations expiring?
Can he actually only be arrested for jumping bail?
The big issue with betting on this market, is that there are rumours that a plan may be hatched to put FOUR candidates to the membership.
That changes the betting dynamics considerably I think.
Surely Boris would be one of the four and then would win a landslide with members?
that worked so well for labour when Jezza was one of the four...
It's dangerous. Pandering to the small membership doesn't make for broad support in the country,
Also, if the Tories retain the approach where MPs can no-confidence the leader who then cannot re-stand it might be a short-lived victory for Boris.
Pretty sure Boris will have thought that one through.
Boris is probably the most hated man in Europe at the moment. He would be an even more divisive leader than Jeremy Corbyn.
What, more than Piers Morgan? A man hated by all and sundry in all corners of the world. A man adorning dart boards from Vladivostok to Johannesburg.
You have something in common with Sarah Palin - as Piers recent interview with her was a little awkward. He isn’t really though as he says things many people agree with but are too afraid to say.
Worth remembering though with Piers is that the more you get offended by him, the more ratings he gets and the more GMB pays him! He thrives professionally and monetarily on controversy.
A professional contrarian. A bit like Jeremy Corbyn, but with brains.
Piers Morgan. The reason why Jeremy Clarkson is going to Heaven when he dies.
I wonder what interesting things Julian Assange will have to say to the rozzers when he emerges and is duly arrested. There must be a lot of people queuing up to have a chat with him about his activities of one sort or another.
What will they arrest him for? Haven't the Swedes dropped their request for extradition due to the statute of limitations expiring?
Can he actually only be arrested for jumping bail?
I believe this explainer in the Guardian is accurate, so far as we can tell:
I just wanted to write to say see you later to everyone. Spending too much time addicted to this site and not enough time getting my work done so requested TSE to temporarily ban me. Will request the ban to be lifted once I've got my work completed. Hopefully it will be before Brexit but that may not be saying much!
Sajid Javid has drifted quite a long way in the betting. He doesn't seem to have done anything wrong so much as the caravan has moved on. Has he been definitively eclipsed by Jeremy Hunt as the candidate of the self-defining pragmatic middle?
Keep in mind though the little noted decision by the Conservative Party to send four candidates through to the members ballot rather two.
That really blows everything open and at this point I'm not sure how anyone could pick a favourite in this contest.
Interesting, I missed that, when was that decided?
Just a rumour in the Sun, certainly not being discussed
I think you are member, as am I, do you think we might have been told? Well I guess maybe not. More likely it is more shit on the pages of the Sun than you generally find in a navvy's privy.
Yes I am a member and I would expect any change in the rules would be circulated to the members
Sajid Javid has drifted quite a long way in the betting. He doesn't seem to have done anything wrong so much as the caravan has moved on. Has he been definitively eclipsed by Jeremy Hunt as the candidate of the self-defining pragmatic middle?
Keep in mind though the little noted decision by the Conservative Party to send four candidates through to the members ballot rather two.
That really blows everything open and at this point I'm not sure how anyone could pick a favourite in this contest.
Interesting, I missed that, when was that decided?
Just a rumour in the Sun, certainly not being discussed
I wonder what interesting things Julian Assange will have to say to the rozzers when he emerges and is duly arrested. There must be a lot of people queuing up to have a chat with him about his activities of one sort or another.
What will they arrest him for? Haven't the Swedes dropped their request for extradition due to the statute of limitations expiring?
Can he actually only be arrested for jumping bail?
I believe this explainer in the Guardian is accurate, so far as we can tell:
Interesting, thanks. Especially that last paragraph.
There would be a certain irony if having used fake fears of extradition to the US to hide from allegations of sexual misconduct, he managed to prolong matters to the extent that a change of political scenery in Washington made those fears into a reality.
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They could then go head-to-head at PMQs.
I'll stop now.
All the very best
I agree with your suggestion that Hunt is the 'pragmatic middle'. Gove's an interesting potential candidate.
unprincipled, self-serving shits
That really blows everything open and at this point I'm not sure how anyone could pick a favourite in this contest.
Seems mad to me. You could get a 'winner' with 20% of MPs and just 30% of the members in favour.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8776954/tory-leadership-contest-rule-change-boris-johnson-pm/
CDU/CSU: 29.6%
Greens: 18.4%
SPD: 16.4%
AfD: 12.6%
FDP: 9.3%
Linke: 8.6%
Others: 5.1%
https://www.wahlrecht.de/umfragen/
As far as brexit itself is concerned the dial is moving away from ERG and the DUP and now the parties are in discussion I cannot see this returning to an issue that the ERG have the ability to change. I expect that the present negotiations will be expanded to include the SNP, and the devolved powers and eventually a compromise deal should emerge probably on a similar vein to TM deal or Norway plus v referendum
I expect history will not be kind to ERG and that they will be seen as the ultimate destroyers of their own project. It would have been all so different if they had backed TM deal on the first vote and we would now be out of the EU on a fair deal
I expect TM will resist any demands for her to leave office until brexit is much more settled and even then she may not stand down. After all it was the ERG who cemented her Premiership with an ill considered premature attempt to vonc her.
I am as relaxed over brexit as I have been in a long time as no deal seems to be disappearing and the HOC realises they have to come together to resolve this. I accept that TM should have been more collegiate before now but we cannot change that. We must look forward now to a brighter future, either closely aligned with the EU or even as a member
Good luck.
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https://www.spectator.co.uk/2019/04/piers-morgan-why-as-a-former-remainer-id-now-back-leave/
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-47828986
Awful warning of potential effects of rose scratches when not treated with sufficient doses of antibiotics.
As we know, the enormo-haddock can breathe both air and water.
By my reckoning, 200 Conservatives, 12 Labour, 8 Lib Dems have been returned unopposed, or are mathematically guaranteed election.
Ken Clarke who does is 78
Michael Heseltine who does is 86
Chris Patten who does has had poor health
and two of these elder statesmen are in the Lords!!
In the age range 40-60, a Labour team of Emily Thornberry and Jess Phillips would appear to offer the country more than any of the Tory teams on offer. There aren't quite any leaders in the HoC on a par with Wilson, Williams, Castle, Jenkins or Foot (all five were in the cabinet at the same time, I think).
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/apr/05/france-maintains-hardline-stance-on-no-deal-brexit
It will annoy the French.
Landslide victory for Remain/Revoke in an upcoming referendum.
Piers: "how well"
Agent: " a lot"
Piers: "OK then, but do I have to be an even more loathed character and supreme twat than Boris Johnson or Jeremy Corbyn?"
Agent: "Only if you feel you must"
"Do you want to Remain? Or do you agree with the French?"
Back in 2015 I told them that’s the strategy they should use.
I don't know what it is about him but he comes across as very sly and I would not feel comfortable trusting him (politically speaking). Mind you at least he looks his age unlike the defence Secretary who looks and sounds like he is a teenager. Tory boys!
O/T I see in the media another company run by a Brexiteer is showing their confidence in the UK by closing down some of the businesses they lead. This time it is the intellectual titan Tim Martin who is presiding over job losses as the number of pubs he runs diminishes.
My admiration for NS continues to grow. As opposed to May and her disgraceful queue jumper comments aimed at EU nationals , probably not that shocking when you realize she employs none other than the vile DM journalist of Enemies of the People and other assorted despicable stories as part of her team .
But it remains eminently stupid language for Cameron to have used, and adding Farage's name to it doesn't change that.
The tories need to get their version of the story out and quickly.
No surprise. May only went into the talks so she didn't have to change.
Just one of a huge number of terrible decisions she has made.
Had May offered any change, she would have lost some of her Cabinet.
https://twitter.com/benglaze/status/1114197633063694337
https://twitter.com/REWearmouth/status/1114197856192045057
It only ever looked like a blaming exercise. What could the government possibly offer Labour that would get them on board, when for most of them their policy is referendum (and thereafter remain)? Corbyn might be amenable but there's only so much wiggle room he would have, and not much for May either.
If its about not changing the PD that seems pretty dumb of May and her team, given people seem to agree it doesn't mean much
That would at least be familiar to those of us who have lived through the last three years.
Can he actually only be arrested for jumping bail?
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2019/apr/05/why-is-wikileaks-founder-julian-assange-in-london-ecuadorian-embassy
Just another non story
There would be a certain irony if having used fake fears of extradition to the US to hide from allegations of sexual misconduct, he managed to prolong matters to the extent that a change of political scenery in Washington made those fears into a reality.
Karma's a bitch.