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I don't think Richard's ever called me dumb and I've been here 12 years.DougSeal said:
He calls everyone dumb. You wouldn’t be a poster on this site if he hadn’t, at some point, called you dumb. What gets me is that even his insults lack any insight or originality. He’s not even very good at being rude.Ishmael_Z said:
Please don't call me dumb. First, I'm not; secondly it's rude; thirdly it gives me an opening to say that i have always rated your contributions to this site as A1 for effort, but C3 for thinking skills. I wouldn't normally say that, but you started it.Richard_Tyndall said:
In that case you were fucking dumb and should have found out before you voted. But your idiocy does not give you the right to tar everyone else with the same brush.Ishmael_Z said:
A strong case can be made for saying that they didn't know what they were voting for. I had only the sketchiest understanding of what I was voting against when I voted remain. I certainly know a fuck of a lot more about it now then I did then.isam said:There seems to be an assumption that the people who voted Leave didn't know what they were voting for, and didn't really want to leave the EU... if we were to accept that argument, and the establishment managed somehow to wriggle out of actually leaving, what would they do to address the concerns of the majority of 2016 referendum voters?
It seems to me that a "business as usual" / "pretend it never happened" attitude prevails, the formation of Chuka/TIG being the most glaring example.
Are you claiming that you *did* know what you were voting for in the sense that you foresaw us being in the position we are in now and still voted for it? Golly. And are you going to vote leave again in the forthcoming People's Vote?
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True. Unlike some who post with such certainty that it will go one way or the other, I have absolutely no idea which way it will fall and it looks like it might in the end all be down to the individual whim of the PM.HYUFD said:
Or revoke another day closer, the ERG are dicing with death as much as diehard RemainersBlack_Rook said:
May and Corbyn discuss compromise, but it probably won't happenDrutt said:I'll be honest. I've been out tonight at a a sort of pre-drinks for a local awards do where my team has a nomination, and no shortage of drink has been taken. Can anyone give me a 50-word summary of exactly what the blue blazes has gone on today?
Thanks
Drutt
MPs trying to pass law to stop No Deal, but it probably won't work
No visible progress on the Deal, or any alternative
Hard Brexit another day closer
Even if I agreed with her on her final decision it is still no way to decide such an important issue.0 -
You clearly do. If I am indeed a troll then don’t feed me. I wasn’t aware that using ine’s real name was a prerequisite on this site. There are some very weird ones if that’s true.Richard_Tyndall said:
Who cares Doug. You are just an anonymous troll hiding behind a false identity.DougSeal said:
It’s the dry, cutting, caustic, razor sharp wit that gets me every time.Richard_Tyndall said:
LOL. Yet another classic from the poster who has shone with their ability to be wrong about absolutely everything.Mysticrose said:
You're so vitriolic and intemperate you demean both you and this site.Richard_Tyndall said:
In that case you were fucking dumb and should have found out before you voted. But your idiocy does not give you the right to tar everyone else with the same brush.Ishmael_Z said:
A strong case can be made for saying that they didn't know what they were voting for. I had only the sketchiest understanding of what I was voting against when I voted remain. I certainly know a fuck of a lot more about it now then I did then.isam said:There seems to be an assumption that the people who voted Leave didn't know what they were voting for, and didn't really want to leave the EU... if we were to accept that argument, and the establishment managed somehow to wriggle out of actually leaving, what would they do to address the concerns of the majority of 2016 referendum voters?
It seems to me that a "business as usual" / "pretend it never happened" attitude prevails, the formation of Chuka/TIG being the most glaring example.0 -
If May needs to seek any extension past the 22nd May absolubte deadline, surely she must stand down ?0
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Division on the amendment to take out the requirement for the PM to put the EU's chosen extension date back to MPs. Amendment defeated 304 v 3130
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You clearly don't pay much attention. Either that or you are imagining things. Both I would suggest are rather poor qualities in the legal profession.DougSeal said:
He calls everyone dumb. You wouldn’t be a poster on this site if he hadn’t, at some point, called you dumb. What gets me is that even his insults lack any insight or originality. He’s not even very good at being rude.Ishmael_Z said:
Please don't call me dumb. First, I'm not; secondly it's rude; thirdly it gives me an opening to say that i have always rated your contributions to this site as A1 for effort, but C3 for thinking skills. I wouldn't normally say that, but you started it.Richard_Tyndall said:
In that case you were fucking dumb and should have found out before you voted. But your idiocy does not give you the right to tar everyone else with the same brush.Ishmael_Z said:
A strong case can be made for saying that they didn't know what they were voting for. I had only the sketchiest understanding of what I was voting against when I voted remain. I certainly know a fuck of a lot more about it now then I did then.isam said:There seems to be an assumption that the people who voted Leave didn't know what they were voting for, and didn't really want to leave the EU... if we were to accept that argument, and the establishment managed somehow to wriggle out of actually leaving, what would they do to address the concerns of the majority of 2016 referendum voters?
It seems to me that a "business as usual" / "pretend it never happened" attitude prevails, the formation of Chuka/TIG being the most glaring example.
Are you claiming that you *did* know what you were voting for in the sense that you foresaw us being in the position we are in now and still voted for it? Golly. And are you going to vote leave again in the forthcoming People's Vote?0 -
The PM will go with what gets most votes in the Commons so she can blame them I expect based on her speech yesterdayRichard_Tyndall said:
True. Unlike some who post with such certainty that it will go one way or the other, I have absolutely no idea which way it will fall and it looks like it might in the end all be down to the individual whim of the PM.HYUFD said:
Or revoke another day closer, the ERG are dicing with death as much as diehard RemainersBlack_Rook said:
May and Corbyn discuss compromise, but it probably won't happenDrutt said:I'll be honest. I've been out tonight at a a sort of pre-drinks for a local awards do where my team has a nomination, and no shortage of drink has been taken. Can anyone give me a 50-word summary of exactly what the blue blazes has gone on today?
Thanks
Drutt
MPs trying to pass law to stop No Deal, but it probably won't work
No visible progress on the Deal, or any alternative
Hard Brexit another day closer
Even if I agreed with her on her final decision it is still no way to decide such an important issue.0 -
But there would have been some very firm views expressed on calling cards.GIN1138 said:
Probably not as we didn't have Twitter then!rottenborough said:0 -
Think it'll carry by 6 for Cooper.0
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Division on government amendment 22 - protects government ability to extend A50 in other ways. Opposed by Brexiters.0
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Thanks all. Also something about a tie, and (as I think I considered a possibility a fortnight ago) convicted criminal and disgraced solicitor Fiona Onasanya having effectively the casting vote in the future of the nation.solarflare said:
2 government people you probably never heard of resigned.Black_Rook said:
May and Corbyn discuss compromise, but it probably won't happenDrutt said:I'll be honest. I've been out tonight at a a sort of pre-drinks for a local awards do where my team has a nomination, and no shortage of drink has been taken. Can anyone give me a 50-word summary of exactly what the blue blazes has gone on today?
Thanks
Drutt
MPs trying to pass law to stop No Deal, but it probably won't work
No visible progress on the Deal, or any alternative
Hard Brexit another day closer
The HoC printer broke down.
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Use a thesaurus FFS. You use “dumb” in every post.Richard_Tyndall said:
Two days after the referendum result I wrote an article published on here that made the explicit comparison between the Leave victory and the Western interventions in the Middle East - all about winning the war but then potentially losing the peace. I made clear that the best way to avoid this was by compromise and taking into account the views of the 48% who voted Remain.Ishmael_Z said:
Please don't call me dumb. First, I'm not; secondly it's rude; thirdly it gives me an opening to say that i have always rated your contributions to this site as A1 for effort, but C3 for thinking skills. I wouldn't normally say that, but you started it.Richard_Tyndall said:
In that case you were fucking dumb and should have found out before you voted. But your idiocy does not give you the right to tar everyone else with the same brush.Ishmael_Z said:
A strong case can be made for saying that they didn't know what they were voting for. I had only the sketchiest understanding of what I was voting against when I voted remain. I certainly know a fuck of a lot more about it now then I did then.isam said:There seems to be an assumption that the people who voted Leave didn't know what they were voting for, and didn't really want to leave the EU... if we were to accept that argument, and the establishment managed somehow to wriggle out of actually leaving, what would they do to address the concerns of the majority of 2016 referendum voters?
It seems to me that a "business as usual" / "pretend it never happened" attitude prevails, the formation of Chuka/TIG being the most glaring example.
Are you claiming that you *did* know what you were voting for in the sense that you foresaw us being in the position we are in now and still voted for it? Golly. And are you going to vote leave again in the forthcoming People's Vote?
So don't preach to me about what I did and didn't know. I published it on PB for all to see and I stand by it now.
And yes if you voted the way you did without having bothered to find out the facts then you are dumb. There were plenty of people on both sides who did bother to find out and who then voted accordingly based on their own values and principles.
Your problem is not just that you are dumb to have voted in ignorance but that you then project that on to everyone else who voted.0 -
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Cooper bill falls.
But to be honest I have no idea what that means.0 -
By that point linguistic drift will mean it's known as Treezamaizdeel, if we're still even using letter and haven't all adopted binary. Or something.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
I researched the options quite adequately, thanks. The missing information was what a load of shysters, blowhards, fraudsters, fantasists and incompetent fuckwits those advocating leave were. I don't see any reason to exempt you from that judgment.Richard_Tyndall said:
Two days after the referendum result I wrote an article published on here that made the explicit comparison between the Leave victory and the Western interventions in the Middle East - all about winning the war but then potentially losing the peace. I made clear that the best way to avoid this was by compromise and taking into account the views of the 48% who voted Remain.Ishmael_Z said:
Please don't call me dumb. First, I'm not; secondly it's rude; thirdly it gives me an opening to say that i have always rated your contributions to this site as A1 for effort, but C3 for thinking skills. I wouldn't normally say that, but you started it.Richard_Tyndall said:
In that case you were fucking dumb and should have found out before you voted. But your idiocy does not give you the right to tar everyone else with the same brush.Ishmael_Z said:
A strong case can be made for saying that they didn't know what they were voting for. I had only the sketchiest understanding of what I was voting against when I voted remain. I certainly know a fuck of a lot more about it now then I did then.isam said:There seems to be an assumption that the people who voted Leave didn't know what they were voting for, and didn't really want to leave the EU... if we were to accept that argument, and the establishment managed somehow to wriggle out of actually leaving, what would they do to address the concerns of the majority of 2016 referendum voters?
It seems to me that a "business as usual" / "pretend it never happened" attitude prevails, the formation of Chuka/TIG being the most glaring example.
Are you claiming that you *did* know what you were voting for in the sense that you foresaw us being in the position we are in now and still voted for it? Golly. And are you going to vote leave again in the forthcoming People's Vote?
So don't preach to me about what I did and didn't know. I published it on PB for all to see and I stand by it now.
And yes if you voted the way you did without having bothered to find out the facts then you are dumb. There were plenty of people on both sides who did bother to find out and who then voted accordingly based on their own values and principles.
Your problem is not just that you are dumb to have voted in ignorance but that you then project that on to everyone else who voted.0 -
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The bill hasn't been voted on yet. These are amendments being voted down.rottenborough said:Cooper bill falls.
But to be honest I have no idea what that means.0 -
I told you before, I enjoy it. It is entertaining to see you desperately trying to be clever and failing dismally.DougSeal said:
You clearly do. If I am indeed a troll then don’t feed me. I wasn’t aware that using ine’s real name was a prerequisite on this site. There are some very weird ones if that’s true.Richard_Tyndall said:
Who cares Doug. You are just an anonymous troll hiding behind a false identity.DougSeal said:
It’s the dry, cutting, caustic, razor sharp wit that gets me every time.Richard_Tyndall said:
LOL. Yet another classic from the poster who has shone with their ability to be wrong about absolutely everything.Mysticrose said:
You're so vitriolic and intemperate you demean both you and this site.Richard_Tyndall said:
In that case you were fucking dumb and should have found out before you voted. But your idiocy does not give you the right to tar everyone else with the same brush.Ishmael_Z said:
A strong case can be made for saying that they didn't know what they were voting for. I had only the sketchiest understanding of what I was voting against when I voted remain. I certainly know a fuck of a lot more about it now then I did then.isam said:There seems to be an assumption that the people who voted Leave didn't know what they were voting for, and didn't really want to leave the EU... if we were to accept that argument, and the establishment managed somehow to wriggle out of actually leaving, what would they do to address the concerns of the majority of 2016 referendum voters?
It seems to me that a "business as usual" / "pretend it never happened" attitude prevails, the formation of Chuka/TIG being the most glaring example.0 -
Here's your piece from 26th June 2016Richard_Tyndall said:
Two days after the referendum result I wrote an article published on here that made the explicit comparison between the Leave victory and the Western interventions in the Middle East - all about winning the war but then potentially losing the peace. I made clear that the best way to avoid this was by compromise and taking into account the views of the 48% who voted Remain.Ishmael_Z said:
Please don't call me dumb. First, I'm not; secondly it's rude; thirdly it gives me an opening to say that i have always rated your contributions to this site as A1 for effort, but C3 for thinking skills. I wouldn't normally say that, but you started it.Richard_Tyndall said:
In that case you were fucking dumb and should have found out before you voted. But your idiocy does not give you the right to tar everyone else with the same brush.Ishmael_Z said:
A strong case can be made for saying that they didn't know what they were voting for. I had only the sketchiest understanding of what I was voting against when I voted remain. I certainly know a fuck of a lot more about it now then I did then.isam said:There seems to be an assumption that the people who voted Leave didn't know what they were voting for, and didn't really want to leave the EU... if we were to accept that argument, and the establishment managed somehow to wriggle out of actually leaving, what would they do to address the concerns of the majority of 2016 referendum voters?
It seems to me that a "business as usual" / "pretend it never happened" attitude prevails, the formation of Chuka/TIG being the most glaring example.
Are you claiming that you *did* know what you were voting for in the sense that you foresaw us being in the position we are in now and still voted for it? Golly. And are you going to vote leave again in the forthcoming People's Vote?
So don't preach to me about what I did and didn't know. I published it on PB for all to see and I stand by it now.
And yes if you voted the way you did without having bothered to find out the facts then you are dumb. There were plenty of people on both sides who did bother to find out and who then voted accordingly based on their own values and principles.
Your problem is not just that you are dumb to have voted in ignorance but that you then project that on to everyone else who voted.
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/06/26/richard-tyndall-on-the-exit-strategy/
So many banned users in the comments!
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Quite possibly, yes. But until Parliament can find a majority for something else, No Deal is the default position.HYUFD said:
Or revoke another day closer, the ERG are dicing with death as much as diehard RemainersBlack_Rook said:
May and Corbyn discuss compromise, but it probably won't happenDrutt said:I'll be honest. I've been out tonight at a a sort of pre-drinks for a local awards do where my team has a nomination, and no shortage of drink has been taken. Can anyone give me a 50-word summary of exactly what the blue blazes has gone on today?
Thanks
Drutt
MPs trying to pass law to stop No Deal, but it probably won't work
No visible progress on the Deal, or any alternative
Hard Brexit another day closer
You reckon? This is Theresa May we're talking about here.Pulpstar said:If May needs to seek any extension past the 22nd May absolute deadline, surely she must stand down ?
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This one will be a big big majority for the Ayes.0
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Does this mean the bill is going to pass?Pulpstar said:
The bill hasn't been voted on yet. These are amendments being voted down.rottenborough said:Cooper bill falls.
But to be honest I have no idea what that means.0 -
They’ll let anyone in these days. I thought you needed a modicum of insight and analytical skills to be a geologist. I guess both professions have gone to the dogs.Richard_Tyndall said:
You clearly don't pay much attention. Either that or you are imagining things. Both I would suggest are rather poor qualities in the legal profession.DougSeal said:
He calls everyone dumb. You wouldn’t be a poster on this site if he hadn’t, at some point, called you dumb. What gets me is that even his insults lack any insight or originality. He’s not even very good at being rude.Ishmael_Z said:
Please don't call me dumb. First, I'm not; secondly it's rude; thirdly it gives me an opening to say that i have always rated your contributions to this site as A1 for effort, but C3 for thinking skills. I wouldn't normally say that, but you started it.Richard_Tyndall said:
In that case you were fucking dumb and should have found out before you voted. But your idiocy does not give you the right to tar everyone else with the same brush.Ishmael_Z said:
A strong case can be made for saying that they didn't know what they were voting for. I had only the sketchiest understanding of what I was voting against when I voted remain. I certainly know a fuck of a lot more about it now then I did then.isam said:There seems to be an assumption that the people who voted Leave didn't know what they were voting for, and didn't really want to leave the EU... if we were to accept that argument, and the establishment managed somehow to wriggle out of actually leaving, what would they do to address the concerns of the majority of 2016 referendum voters?
It seems to me that a "business as usual" / "pretend it never happened" attitude prevails, the formation of Chuka/TIG being the most glaring example.
Are you claiming that you *did* know what you were voting for in the sense that you foresaw us being in the position we are in now and still voted for it? Golly. And are you going to vote leave again in the forthcoming People's Vote?0 -
Are you surerottenborough said:Cooper bill falls.
But to be honest I have no idea what that means.0 -
https://twitter.com/AVMikhailova/status/1113548755012325378?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1113548755012325378&ref_url=https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/apr/03/brexit-latest-news-live-may-corbyn-meeting-barclay-says-remorseless-logic-of-commons-numbers-is-pushing-uk-towards-softer-brexit-live-news
Who could've predicted that this would be just another of Tessie's PR stunts.... just like the last two times she announced "talks with opposition leaders".0 -
As I said, dumb. Ignorance is not a virtue you know. It seems you know no more now than you did then.Ishmael_Z said:
I researched the options quite adequately, thanks. The missing information was what a load of shysters, blowhards, fraudsters, fantasists and incompetent fuckwits those advocating leave were. I don't see any reason to exempt you from that judgment.Richard_Tyndall said:
Two days after the referendum result I wrote an article published on here that made the explicit comparison between the Leave victory and the Western interventions in the Middle East - all about winning the war but then potentially losing the peace. I made clear that the best way to avoid this was by compromise and taking into account the views of the 48% who voted Remain.Ishmael_Z said:
Please don't call me dumb. First, I'm not; secondly it's rude; thirdly it gives me an opening to say that i have always rated your contributions to this site as A1 for effort, but C3 for thinking skills. I wouldn't normally say that, but you started it.Richard_Tyndall said:
In that case you were fucking dumb and should have found out before you voted. But your idiocy does not give you the right to tar everyone else with the same brush.Ishmael_Z said:
A strong case can be made for saying that they didn't know what they were voting for. I had only the sketchiest understanding of what I was voting against when I voted remain. I certainly know a fuck of a lot more about it now then I did then.isam said:There seems to be an assumption that the people who voted Leave didn't know what they were voting for, and didn't really want to leave the EU... if we were to accept that argument, and the establishment managed somehow to wriggle out of actually leaving, what would they do to address the concerns of the majority of 2016 referendum voters?
It seems to me that a "business as usual" / "pretend it never happened" attitude prevails, the formation of Chuka/TIG being the most glaring example.
Are you claiming that you *did* know what you were voting for in the sense that you foresaw us being in the position we are in now and still voted for it? Golly. And are you going to vote leave again in the forthcoming People's Vote?
So don't preach to me about what I did and didn't know. I published it on PB for all to see and I stand by it now.
And yes if you voted the way you did without having bothered to find out the facts then you are dumb. There were plenty of people on both sides who did bother to find out and who then voted accordingly based on their own values and principles.
Your problem is not just that you are dumb to have voted in ignorance but that you then project that on to everyone else who voted.0 -
Is that the best the Guardian can doScott_P said:0 -
Yet more false statements. The legal profession appears to have a real issue with people unable to tell the truth these days. Sure you are not an MP as well? That would account for a lot.DougSeal said:
Use a thesaurus FFS. You use “dumb” in every post.Richard_Tyndall said:
Two days after the referendum result I wrote an article published on here that made the explicit comparison between the Leave victory and the Western interventions in the Middle East - all about winning the war but then potentially losing the peace. I made clear that the best way to avoid this was by compromise and taking into account the views of the 48% who voted Remain.Ishmael_Z said:
Please don't call me dumb. First, I'm not; secondly it's rude; thirdly it gives me an opening to say that i have always rated your contributions to this site as A1 for effort, but C3 for thinking skills. I wouldn't normally say that, but you started it.Richard_Tyndall said:
In that case you were fucking dumb and should have found out before you voted. But your idiocy does not give you the right to tar everyone else with the same brush.Ishmael_Z said:
A strong case can be made for saying that they didn't know what they were voting for. I had only the sketchiest understanding of what I was voting against when I voted remain. I certainly know a fuck of a lot more about it now then I did then.isam said:There seems to be an assumption that the people who voted Leave didn't know what they were voting for, and didn't really want to leave the EU... if we were to accept that argument, and the establishment managed somehow to wriggle out of actually leaving, what would they do to address the concerns of the majority of 2016 referendum voters?
It seems to me that a "business as usual" / "pretend it never happened" attitude prevails, the formation of Chuka/TIG being the most glaring example.
Are you claiming that you *did* know what you were voting for in the sense that you foresaw us being in the position we are in now and still voted for it? Golly. And are you going to vote leave again in the forthcoming People's Vote?
So don't preach to me about what I did and didn't know. I published it on PB for all to see and I stand by it now.
And yes if you voted the way you did without having bothered to find out the facts then you are dumb. There were plenty of people on both sides who did bother to find out and who then voted accordingly based on their own values and principles.
Your problem is not just that you are dumb to have voted in ignorance but that you then project that on to everyone else who voted.0 -
From that thread:GIN1138 said:
Here's your piece from 26th June 2016
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/06/26/richard-tyndall-on-the-exit-strategy/
So many banned users in the comments!
Just as Andy's spreadsheet smashed the Hedge Fund models, so I think Richard Tyndall seems to have more of a Brexit plan here than Boris ever had.0 -
No shock there, Hammond is about as much a Remainer as Soubry or Clarke.williamglenn said:0 -
Farage will be pleased - He's hoping for a long extension apparently...Scott_P said:
1. So we can get Theresa out and a Brexiteer PM in.
2. And that PM can then hold an election and secure a majority.
3. With a majority they can then press the reset button on negotaitations and go for FTA or managed No Deal.
4. While all this is going on Nigel stays on the EU gravy train and gets to be horrid to Jucker et al in the process. 0 -
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As I said before, going to talk to Corbyn, leaving at least the possibility that the WA could pass unchanged, was the only way to leave the cabinet meeting without resignations. She has absolutely no room to manouvre without losing one wing of the cabinet or the other.Danny565 said:https://twitter.com/AVMikhailova/status/1113548755012325378?ref_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1113548755012325378&ref_url=https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/apr/03/brexit-latest-news-live-may-corbyn-meeting-barclay-says-remorseless-logic-of-commons-numbers-is-pushing-uk-towards-softer-brexit-live-news
Who could've predicted that this would be just another of Tessie's PR stunts.... just like the last two times she announced "talks with opposition leaders".0 -
Since Cooper is 'whipping' people to oppose the amendments and they're being opposed, yes probably.DavidL said:
Does this mean the bill is going to pass?Pulpstar said:
The bill hasn't been voted on yet. These are amendments being voted down.rottenborough said:Cooper bill falls.
But to be honest I have no idea what that means.0 -
Which bit? The Bill falls or I have no idea?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Are you surerottenborough said:Cooper bill falls.
But to be honest I have no idea what that means.0 -
Just had a look back at the comments myself. Was Hunchman the one who kept claiming there was an office in some London street with a million (I exaggerate) registered businesses which was the centre of some great evil masterplan?GIN1138 said:Here's your piece from 26th June 2016
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/06/26/richard-tyndall-on-the-exit-strategy/
So many banned users in the comments!0 -
I see that the Daily Mail has given up on all this.0
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The bill falls as it has not been voted on yet !!!rottenborough said:
Which bit? The Bill falls or I have no idea?Big_G_NorthWales said:
Are you surerottenborough said:Cooper bill falls.
But to be honest I have no idea what that means.0 -
I struggle to find any redeeming qualities in Phillip Hammond.0
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He really knows how to wind up the ERG doesn't he? They are having their earlier stupidity rammed down their throats by the bucket load these days. And its not over yet. This bill tonight even getting a second reading will be the end of their fantasies.Philip_Thompson said:
No shock there, Hammond is about as much a Remainer as Soubry or Clarke.williamglenn said:0 -
Guardian says this: "MPs reject Cooper bill at third stagePhilip_Thompson said:
Since Cooper is 'whipping' people to oppose the amendments and they're being opposed, yes probably.DavidL said:
Does this mean the bill is going to pass?Pulpstar said:
The bill hasn't been voted on yet. These are amendments being voted down.rottenborough said:Cooper bill falls.
But to be honest I have no idea what that means.
MPs have rejected the Cooper bill at Committee stage by 304:313. "
No woinder I am lost.0 -
Just flagged a significant mistake in the Guardian live feed.
Meanwhile the amendment to protect the government's ability to seek extension in other circumstances fails 220 v 4000 -
Nah you always just needed to be able to drink and hit rocks. We have a noble heritage going all the way back to the Neolithic.DougSeal said:
They’ll let anyone in these days. I thought you needed a modicum of insight and analytical skills to be a geologist. I guess both professions have gone to the dogs.Richard_Tyndall said:
You clearly don't pay much attention. Either that or you are imagining things. Both I would suggest are rather poor qualities in the legal profession.DougSeal said:
He calls everyone dumb. You wouldn’t be a poster on this site if he hadn’t, at some point, called you dumb. What gets me is that even his insults lack any insight or originality. He’s not even very good at being rude.Ishmael_Z said:
Please don't call me dumb. First, I'm not; secondly it's rude; thirdly it gives me an opening to say that i have always rated your contributions to this site as A1 for effort, but C3 for thinking skills. I wouldn't normally say that, but you started it.Richard_Tyndall said:
In that case you were fucking dumb and should have found out before you voted. But your idiocy does not give you the right to tar everyone else with the same brush.Ishmael_Z said:
A strong case can be made for saying that they didn't know what they were voting for. I had only the sketchiest understanding of what I was voting against when I voted remain. I certainly know a fuck of a lot more about it now then I did then.isam said:There seems to be an assumption that the people who voted Leave didn't know what they were voting for, and didn't really want to leave the EU... if we were to accept that argument, and the establishment managed somehow to wriggle out of actually leaving, what would they do to address the concerns of the majority of 2016 referendum voters?
It seems to me that a "business as usual" / "pretend it never happened" attitude prevails, the formation of Chuka/TIG being the most glaring example.
Are you claiming that you *did* know what you were voting for in the sense that you foresaw us being in the position we are in now and still voted for it? Golly. And are you going to vote leave again in the forthcoming People's Vote?0 -
Yes.Richard_Tyndall said:
Just had a look back at the comments myself. Was Hunchman the one who kept claiming there was an office in some London street with a million (I exaggerate) registered businesses which was the centre of some great evil masterplan?GIN1138 said:Here's your piece from 26th June 2016
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/06/26/richard-tyndall-on-the-exit-strategy/
So many banned users in the comments!
A great evil masterplan that was cunningly secret yet could be uncovered by looking at Company's House.0 -
Yes I think so...Richard_Tyndall said:
Just had a look back at the comments myself. Was Hunchman the one who kept claiming there was an office in some London street with a million (I exaggerate) registered businesses which was the centre of some great evil masterplan?GIN1138 said:Here's your piece from 26th June 2016
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/06/26/richard-tyndall-on-the-exit-strategy/
So many banned users in the comments!
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Division on Brexiter amendment to limit any extension to 22 May0
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That casting vote was also effectively held by “disgraced national security risk, Liam Fox” oft referred to in dispatches here.Drutt said:
Thanks all. Also something about a tie, and (as I think I considered a possibility a fortnight ago) convicted criminal and disgraced solicitor Fiona Onasanya having effectively the casting vote in the future of the nation.solarflare said:
2 government people you probably never heard of resigned.Black_Rook said:
May and Corbyn discuss compromise, but it probably won't happenDrutt said:I'll be honest. I've been out tonight at a a sort of pre-drinks for a local awards do where my team has a nomination, and no shortage of drink has been taken. Can anyone give me a 50-word summary of exactly what the blue blazes has gone on today?
Thanks
Drutt
MPs trying to pass law to stop No Deal, but it probably won't work
No visible progress on the Deal, or any alternative
Hard Brexit another day closer
The HoC printer broke down.
Think that covers it
When in reality it was exercised by blatantly biased Brexit-denier Bercow.
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220 to 400 wtf0
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Guardian was wrong - now correctedrottenborough said:
Guardian says this: "MPs reject Cooper bill at third stagePhilip_Thompson said:
Since Cooper is 'whipping' people to oppose the amendments and they're being opposed, yes probably.DavidL said:
Does this mean the bill is going to pass?Pulpstar said:
The bill hasn't been voted on yet. These are amendments being voted down.rottenborough said:Cooper bill falls.
But to be honest I have no idea what that means.
MPs have rejected the Cooper bill at Committee stage by 304:313. "
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Grauniad got it wrong. No shock there.rottenborough said:
Guardian says this: "MPs reject Cooper bill at third stagePhilip_Thompson said:
Since Cooper is 'whipping' people to oppose the amendments and they're being opposed, yes probably.DavidL said:
Does this mean the bill is going to pass?Pulpstar said:
The bill hasn't been voted on yet. These are amendments being voted down.rottenborough said:Cooper bill falls.
But to be honest I have no idea what that means.
MPs have rejected the Cooper bill at Committee stage by 304:313. "
No woinder I am lost.
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I'd far rather listen to Lindsay Hoyle's dulcet tones, than Bercow's braying.
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Are you a fan of Geoffrey Cox's BIG voice?AramintaMoonbeamQC said:I'd far rather listen to Lindsay Hoyle's dulcet tones, than Bercow's braying.
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Guardian what you doing reading that??rottenborough said:
Guardian says this: "MPs reject Cooper bill at third stagePhilip_Thompson said:
Since Cooper is 'whipping' people to oppose the amendments and they're being opposed, yes probably.DavidL said:
Does this mean the bill is going to pass?Pulpstar said:
The bill hasn't been voted on yet. These are amendments being voted down.rottenborough said:Cooper bill falls.
But to be honest I have no idea what that means.
MPs have rejected the Cooper bill at Committee stage by 304:313. "
No woinder I am lost.0 -
If it’s an untruth it’s only marginally so. You’ve used the word three times at one poster just this evening - twice just above. The level of your incivility is exacerbated by your unoriginality. Thesaurus.com and others are available.Richard_Tyndall said:
Yet more false statements. The legal profession appears to have a real issue with people unable to tell the truth these days. Sure you are not an MP as well? That would account for a lot.DougSeal said:
Use a thesaurus FFS. You use “dumb” in every post.Richard_Tyndall said:Ishmael_Z said:
Please don't call me dumb. First, I'm not; secondly it's rude; thirdly it gives me an opening to say that i have always rated your contributions to this site as A1 for effort, but C3 for thinking skills. I wouldn't normally say that, but you started itRichard_Tyndall said:
In that case you were fucking dumb and should have found out before you voted. But your idiocy does not give you the right to tar everyone else with the same brush.Ishmael_Z said:
A strong case can be made for saying that they didn't know what they were voting for. I had only the sketchiest understanding of what I was voting against when I voted remain. I certainly know a fuck of a lot more about it now then I did then.isam said:There seems to be an assumption that the people who voted Leave didn't know what they were voting for, and didn't really want to leave the EU... if we were to accept that argument, and the establishment managed somehow to wriggle out of actually leaving, what would they do to address the concerns of the majority of 2016 referendum voters?
It seems to me that a "business as usual" / "pretend it never happened" attitude prevails, the formation of Chuka/TIG being the most glaring example.
Your problem is not just that you are dumb to have voted in ignorance but that you then project that on to everyone else who voted.0 -
I didn't really understand that last one, which was out of line with the other votes. I would have thought the majority would have supported the government having that flexibility. Unless MPs are now adamant anything must go through Parliament.DavidL said:
It will go down by about 200 as well. This is becoming a rout.IanB2 said:Division on Brexiter amendment to limit any extension to 22 May
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Nor me. I feel slighted.GIN1138 said:
I don't think Richard's ever called me dumb and I've been here 12 years.DougSeal said:
He calls everyone dumb. You wouldn’t be a poster on this site if he hadn’t, at some point, called you dumb. What gets me is that even his insults lack any insight or originality. He’s not even very good at being rude.Ishmael_Z said:
Please don't call me dumb. First, I'm not; secondly it's rude; thirdly it gives me an opening to say that i have always rated your contributions to this site as A1 for effort, but C3 for thinking skills. I wouldn't normally say that, but you started it.Richard_Tyndall said:
In that case you were fucking dumb and should have found out before you voted. But your idiocy does not give you the right to tar everyone else with the same brush.Ishmael_Z said:
A strong case can be made for saying that they didn't know what they were voting for. I had only the sketchiest understanding of what I was voting against when I voted remain. I certainly know a fuck of a lot more about it now then I did then.isam said:There seems to be an assumption that the people who voted Leave didn't know what they were voting for, and didn't really want to leave the EU... if we were to accept that argument, and the establishment managed somehow to wriggle out of actually leaving, what would they do to address the concerns of the majority of 2016 referendum voters?
It seems to me that a "business as usual" / "pretend it never happened" attitude prevails, the formation of Chuka/TIG being the most glaring example.
Are you claiming that you *did* know what you were voting for in the sense that you foresaw us being in the position we are in now and still voted for it? Golly. And are you going to vote leave again in the forthcoming People's Vote?0 -
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He doesn't create unnecessary additional complexities in the tax code? It's a pretty short list, mind.Luckyguy1983 said:I struggle to find any redeeming qualities in Phillip Hammond.
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It seems crazy that they insist on sticking with "me, me, me" Bercow when they've got the fabulous Lindsay waiting in the wings...AramintaMoonbeamQC said:I'd far rather listen to Lindsay Hoyle's dulcet tones, than Bercow's braying.
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You can always tell the poor authors who have eaten a Thesaurus. Repeating the same word whilst commenting on the use of that word is not, in any way, overuse. Please try harder.DougSeal said:
If it’s an untruth it’s only a marginally so. You’ve used the word three times at one poster just this evening - twice just above. The level of your incivility is exacerbated by your unoriginality. Thesaurus.com and others are available.Richard_Tyndall said:
Yet more false statements. The legal profession appears to have a real issue with people unable to tell the truth these days. Sure you are not an MP as well? That would account for a lot.DougSeal said:
Use a thesaurus FFS. You use “dumb” in every post.Richard_Tyndall said:Ishmael_Z said:
Please don't call me dumb. First, I'm not; secondly it's rude; thirdly it gives me an opening to say that i have always rated your contributions to this site as A1 for effort, but C3 for thinking skills. I wouldn't normally say that, but you started itRichard_Tyndall said:
In that case you were fucking dumb and should have found out before you voted. But your idiocy does not give you the right to tar everyone else with the same brush.Ishmael_Z said:
A strong case can be made for saying that they didn't know what they were voting for. I had only the sketchiest understanding of what I was voting against when I voted remain. I certainly know a fuck of a lot more about it now then I did then.isam said:There seems to be an assumption that the people who voted Leave didn't know what they were voting for, and didn't really want to leave the EU... if we were to accept that argument, and the establishment managed somehow to wriggle out of actually leaving, what would they do to address the concerns of the majority of 2016 referendum voters?
It seems to me that a "business as usual" / "pretend it never happened" attitude prevails, the formation of Chuka/TIG being the most glaring example.
Your problem is not just that you are dumb to have voted in ignorance but that you then project that on to everyone else who voted.0 -
As a distraction from the House of Horrors:
"How the mayor of South Bend became a surprisingly serious contender in the 2020 Democratic primary race."
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/4/3/18282638/pete-buttigieg-mayor-pete-pronounce-explained0 -
Remainer Parliament putting two fingers up at Brexiteers.Big_G_NorthWales said:0 -
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Looks like this could go on for getting on to midnight0
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I hope you didn't suggest taking the views of the 48% into account to archer101au - he would have had an aneurysm.Richard_Tyndall said:
Two days after the referendum result I wrote an article published on here that made the explicit comparison between the Leave victory and the Western interventions in the Middle East - all about winning the war but then potentially losing the peace. I made clear that the best way to avoid this was by compromise and taking into account the views of the 48% who voted Remain.Ishmael_Z said:
Please don't call me dumb. First, I'm not; secondly it's rude; thirdly it gives me an opening to say that i have always rated your contributions to this site as A1 for effort, but C3 for thinking skills. I wouldn't normally say that, but you started it.Richard_Tyndall said:
In that case you were fucking dumb and should have found out before you voted. But your idiocy does not give you the right to tar everyone else with the same brush.Ishmael_Z said:
A strong case can be made for saying that they didn't know what they were voting for. I had only the sketchiest understanding of what I was voting against when I voted remain. I certainly know a fuck of a lot more about it now then I did then.isam said:There seems to be an assumption that the people who voted Leave didn't know what they were voting for, and didn't really want to leave the EU... if we were to accept that argument, and the establishment managed somehow to wriggle out of actually leaving, what would they do to address the concerns of the majority of 2016 referendum voters?
It seems to me that a "business as usual" / "pretend it never happened" attitude prevails, the formation of Chuka/TIG being the most glaring example.
Are you claiming that you *did* know what you were voting for in the sense that you foresaw us being in the position we are in now and still voted for it? Golly. And are you going to vote leave again in the forthcoming People's Vote?
So don't preach to me about what I did and didn't know. I published it on PB for all to see and I stand by it now.
And yes if you voted the way you did without having bothered to find out the facts then you are dumb. There were plenty of people on both sides who did bother to find out and who then voted accordingly based on their own values and principles.
Your problem is not just that you are dumb to have voted in ignorance but that you then project that on to everyone else who voted.0 -
They had their chance and became greadyPhilip_Thompson said:
Remainer Parliament putting two fingers up at Brexiteers.Big_G_NorthWales said:0 -
It's May's best chance. If she manages to contrive MV4 (or 3 on some measures) surely every one of them will support it at last having seen the Brexit wagon approach the precipice. Whether that will be enough by then without Corbyn's help remains to be seen.Big_G_NorthWales said:0 -
If he doesn't have any skeletons and doesn't stick his foot in his mouth he looks like a very good candidate. He certainly seems to be reasonable and measured and singularly lacking in ideology for its own sake.rottenborough said:As a distraction from the House of Horrors:
"How the mayor of South Bend became a surprisingly serious contender in the 2020 Democratic primary race."
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/4/3/18282638/pete-buttigieg-mayor-pete-pronounce-explained0 -
"On the edge".Scott_P said:
Let me know when they actually type up their pathetic whinny resignation letters.0 -
rcs1000 said:
I hope you didn't suggest taking the views of the 48% into account to archer101au - he would have had an aneurysm.Richard_Tyndall said:
Two days after the referendum result I wrote an article published on here that made the explicit comparison between the Leave victory and the Western interventions in the Middle East - all about winning the war but then potentially losing the peace. I made clear that the best way to avoid this was by compromise and taking into account the views of the 48% who voted Remain.Ishmael_Z said:
Please don't call me dumb. First, I'm not; secondly it's rude; thirdly it gives me an opening to say that i have always rated your contributions to this site as A1 for effort, but C3 for thinking skills. I wouldn't normally say that, but you started it.Richard_Tyndall said:
In that case you were fucking dumb and should have found out before you voted. But your idiocy does not give you the right to tar everyone else with the same brush.Ishmael_Z said:
A strong case can be made for saying that they didn't know what they were voting for. I had only the sketchiest understanding of what I was voting against when I voted remain. I certainly know a fuck of a lot more about it now then I did then.isam said:There seems to be an assumption that the people who voted Leave didn't know what they were voting for, and didn't really want to leave the EU... if we were to accept that argument, and the establishment managed somehow to wriggle out of actually leaving, what would they do to address the concerns of the majority of 2016 referendum voters?
It seems to me that a "business as usual" / "pretend it never happened" attitude prevails, the formation of Chuka/TIG being the most glaring example.
Are you claiming that you *did* know what you were voting for in the sense that you foresaw us being in the position we are in now and still voted for it? Golly. And are you going to vote leave again in the forthcoming People's Vote?
So don't preach to me about what I did and didn't know. I published it on PB for all to see and I stand by it now.
And yes if you voted the way you did without having bothered to find out the facts then you are dumb. There were plenty of people on both sides who did bother to find out and who then voted accordingly based on their own values and principles.
Your problem is not just that you are dumb to have voted in ignorance but that you then project that on to everyone else who voted.
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Is anyone being "on the edge" of resigning really news nowadays?Scott_P said:0 -
I think we should have the European Elections, but then leave the day before the first session of the new EP. Ideally, the new MEPs would have caught the Eurostar to Brussels, and would have to turn straight around and come home.0
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Curse of IT departments everywhere - clients who only have a vague idea what they want, but know precisely when they want it.IanB2 said:0 -
Theory: the whole May-Corbyn talks thing that so many people are getting excited about doesn't represent some magical new path to BINO. It's just a cynical ruse to run the clock down again.
May is trying to run most of the remaining time down, and leave the Commons with no alternative plan to present to the European Council on the 10th. They then have to pass the Deal, or else only No Deal or Revoke are left as options, both of which MPs loathe even more. Also, if it does end up being No Deal or Revoke in the end, she can try to pin some of the blame on Corbyn for being an arse. Or something.
Corbyn has all kinds of potential wins out of this process. He can look statesmanlike by apparently engaging with the cross-party process. He can then blame May for being an arse (or something) when it breaks down. He can ask - or at least, be reported as having asked - for the People's Vote, muddying the waters on whether he really wants the option or not (useful for fence sitting between Leave and Remain Labour voters.) If the process ends in No Deal then he can blame May's failure to engage with his wonderful ideas for anything and everything that goes wrong (whilst being secretly pleased that we are rid of the whole EU project, as his Palaeosocialist faction has never much liked it.) If he's really lucky, either No Deal or Revoke blows one of the wings off the Tory Party and it falls out of the sky, crashes and bursts into flames.
Anyway, more pointless chin-wagging tomorrow, Parliament (presumably) won't sit on Friday, then it's the weekend (posturing in the Sunday papers and on the Andrew Marr Show,) and by the time MPs come back and realise it was all just a game it'll already be Monday 8th.
If they still insist they won't swallow the Withdrawal Agreement then, to get any kind of plan B to the European Council in time to win a long extension, they need to find a majority for it no later than Tuesday 9th.
So, no pressure, then.0 -
Sadly I think I may have donercs1000 said:
I hope you didn't suggest taking the views of the 48% into account to archer101au - he would have had an aneurysm.Richard_Tyndall said:
Two days after the referendum result I wrote an article published on here that made the explicit comparison between the Leave victory and the Western interventions in the Middle East - all about winning the war but then potentially losing the peace. I made clear that the best way to avoid this was by compromise and taking into account the views of the 48% who voted Remain.Ishmael_Z said:
Please don't call me dumb. First, I'm not; secondly it's rude; thirdly it gives me an opening to say that i have always rated your contributions to this site as A1 for effort, but C3 for thinking skills. I wouldn't normally say that, but you started it.Richard_Tyndall said:
In that case you were fucking dumb and should have found out before you voted. But your idiocy does not give you the right to tar everyone else with the same brush.Ishmael_Z said:
A strong case can be made for saying that they didn't know what they were voting for. I had only the sketchiest understanding of what I was voting against when I voted remain. I certainly know a fuck of a lot more about it now then I did then.isam said:There seems to be an assumption that the people who voted Leave didn't know what they were voting for, and didn't really want to leave the EU... if we were to accept that argument, and the establishment managed somehow to wriggle out of actually leaving, what would they do to address the concerns of the majority of 2016 referendum voters?
It seems to me that a "business as usual" / "pretend it never happened" attitude prevails, the formation of Chuka/TIG being the most glaring example.
Are you claiming that you *did* know what you were voting for in the sense that you foresaw us being in the position we are in now and still voted for it? Golly. And are you going to vote leave again in the forthcoming People's Vote?
So don't preach to me about what I did and didn't know. I published it on PB for all to see and I stand by it now.
And yes if you voted the way you did without having bothered to find out the facts then you are dumb. There were plenty of people on both sides who did bother to find out and who then voted accordingly based on their own values and principles.
Your problem is not just that you are dumb to have voted in ignorance but that you then project that on to everyone else who voted.
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The ERG, think MV + Deal is worse than being in the EU. I don't think ERG will now suddenly back that and the DUP would see hell freeze over before they back the May Deal!DavidL said:
It's May's best chance. If she manages to contrive MV4 (or 3 on some measures) surely every one of them will support it at last having seen the Brexit wagon approach the precipice. Whether that will be enough by then without Corbyn's help remains to be seen.Big_G_NorthWales said:0 -
I am expecting a first debate surprise. But to be honest he is now 9 on BF for Dem nominee. Not sure I would go in at that price.Richard_Tyndall said:
If he doesn't have any skeletons and doesn't stick his foot in his mouth he looks like a very good candidate. He certainly seems to be reasonable and measured and singularly lacking in ideology for its own sake.rottenborough said:As a distraction from the House of Horrors:
"How the mayor of South Bend became a surprisingly serious contender in the 2020 Democratic primary race."
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/4/3/18282638/pete-buttigieg-mayor-pete-pronounce-explained0 -
If a lot of them are thinking like Farage (go for a long extension, get a new leader, get a new Parliament through a general election and press reset with the negotiations) then no I still don't think enough of them will vote for the deal.DavidL said:
It's May's best chance. If she manages to contrive MV4 (or 3 on some measures) surely every one of them will support it at last having seen the Brexit wagon approach the precipice. Whether that will be enough by then without Corbyn's help remains to be seen.Big_G_NorthWales said:0 -
Not really. I'm Lancastrian, hence I like to hear the tones of those from the red rose county.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Are you a fan of Geoffrey Cox's BIG voice?AramintaMoonbeamQC said:I'd far rather listen to Lindsay Hoyle's dulcet tones, than Bercow's braying.
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The tories face massacre in the ballot box for their betrayal of a referendum Cameron told us would be implementedBig_G_NorthWales said:
They had their chance and became greadyPhilip_Thompson said:
Remainer Parliament putting two fingers up at Brexiteers.Big_G_NorthWales said:
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He wasn't particularly keen on any deal of any kind with the EU. (Even if they paid us, and had to adopt all UK standards, it would still be a deal too far for him.)GIN1138 said:rcs1000 said:I hope you didn't suggest taking the views of the 48% into account to archer101au - he would have had an aneurysm.
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It's not our date though is it? Its the EU's date for when we have to either leave or take part in the less amusing version of the Eurovision Song contest.IanB2 said:0 -
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We will see when the GE comes aroundkjohnw said:
The tories face massacre in the ballot box for their betrayal of a referendum Cameron told us would be implementedBig_G_NorthWales said:
They had their chance and became greadyPhilip_Thompson said:
Remainer Parliament putting two fingers up at Brexiteers.Big_G_NorthWales said:
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Poll averages:rottenborough said:
I am expecting a first debate surprise. But to be honest he is now 9 on BF for Dem nominee. Not sure I would go in at that price.Richard_Tyndall said:
If he doesn't have any skeletons and doesn't stick his foot in his mouth he looks like a very good candidate. He certainly seems to be reasonable and measured and singularly lacking in ideology for its own sake.rottenborough said:As a distraction from the House of Horrors:
"How the mayor of South Bend became a surprisingly serious contender in the 2020 Democratic primary race."
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/4/3/18282638/pete-buttigieg-mayor-pete-pronounce-explained
Biden 28.8
Sanders 21.8
Harris 9.8
O'Rourke 9.2
Warren 5.7
Booker 3.2
Buttigieg 2.3
Klobuchar 1.7
Yang 1.0
Castro 1.0
Hickenlooper 0.7
Gillibrand 0.7
Inslee 0.70 -
Farage would of course claim the expenses! (That is if he is elected as I can see less enlightened people still thinking he is UKIP).rcs1000 said:I think we should have the European Elections, but then leave the day before the first session of the new EP. Ideally, the new MEPs would have caught the Eurostar to Brussels, and would have to turn straight around and come home.
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Do you agree that opinion polls can be highly misleading?
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/100540 -
As I say, even if they did I think its too late. The remainer tails are up and they are determined to stop this completely. Corbyn is actually May's last chance. That's how desperate all this has got.GIN1138 said:
If a lot of them are thinking like Farage (go for a long extension, get a new leader, get a new Parliament through a general election and press reset with the negotiations) then no I still don't think enough of them will vote for the deal.DavidL said:
It's May's best chance. If she manages to contrive MV4 (or 3 on some measures) surely every one of them will support it at last having seen the Brexit wagon approach the precipice. Whether that will be enough by then without Corbyn's help remains to be seen.Big_G_NorthWales said:0 -
Exactly and I did say at the time they were prematureScott_P said:0 -
Most Tory MPs have already voted against revoke or EUref2 and indeed over half have already voted to Leave with No Deal, however in case you had not realised we have a hung Parliament, not a Tory majority of 150kjohnw said:
The tories face massacre in the ballot box for their betrayal of a referendum Cameron told us would be implementedBig_G_NorthWales said:
They had their chance and became greadyPhilip_Thompson said:
Remainer Parliament putting two fingers up at Brexiteers.Big_G_NorthWales said:
https://www.facebook.com/1586671888254288/posts/2300387296882740?sfns=mo
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No one complaining about unemployment.Luckyguy1983 said:I struggle to find any redeeming qualities in Phillip Hammond.
No one complaining about inflation.
No one complaining about high interest rates.
Chancellors in the past would have given their eye teeth for that.0 -
Apparently his reelection video for Mayor was all about how much better the City had gotten at clearing snow under his watch.Richard_Tyndall said:
If he doesn't have any skeletons and doesn't stick his foot in his mouth he looks like a very good candidate. He certainly seems to be reasonable and measured and singularly lacking in ideology for its own sake.rottenborough said:As a distraction from the House of Horrors:
"How the mayor of South Bend became a surprisingly serious contender in the 2020 Democratic primary race."
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/4/3/18282638/pete-buttigieg-mayor-pete-pronounce-explained
I like that.0 -
Govt ammendment just fell by 180HYUFD said:
Most Tory MPs have already voted against revoke or EUref2 and indeed over half have already voted to Leave with No Deal, however in case you had not realised we have a hung Parliament, not a Tory majority of 150kjohnw said:
The tories face massacre in the ballot box for their betrayal of a referendum Cameron told us would be implementedBig_G_NorthWales said:
They had their chance and became greadyPhilip_Thompson said:
Remainer Parliament putting two fingers up at Brexiteers.Big_G_NorthWales said:
https://www.facebook.com/1586671888254288/posts/2300387296882740?sfns=mo0
