There seems to be an assumption that the people who voted Leave didn't know what they were voting for, and didn't really want to leave the EU... if we were to accept that argument, and the establishment managed somehow to wriggle out of actually leaving, what would they do to address the concerns of the majority of 2016 referendum voters?
It seems to me that a "business as usual" / "pretend it never happened" attitude prevails, the formation of Chuka/TIG being the most glaring example.
A strong case can be made for saying that they didn't know what they were voting for. I had only the sketchiest understanding of what I was voting against when I voted remain. I certainly know a fuck of a lot more about it now then I did then.
In that case you were fucking dumb and should have found out before you voted. But your idiocy does not give you the right to tar everyone else with the same brush.
Please don't call me dumb. First, I'm not; secondly it's rude; thirdly it gives me an opening to say that i have always rated your contributions to this site as A1 for effort, but C3 for thinking skills. I wouldn't normally say that, but you started it.
Are you claiming that you *did* know what you were voting for in the sense that you foresaw us being in the position we are in now and still voted for it? Golly. And are you going to vote leave again in the forthcoming People's Vote?
He calls everyone dumb. You wouldn’t be a poster on this site if he hadn’t, at some point, called you dumb. What gets me is that even his insults lack any insight or originality. He’s not even very good at being rude.
I don't think Richard's ever called me dumb and I've been here 12 years.
I'll be honest. I've been out tonight at a a sort of pre-drinks for a local awards do where my team has a nomination, and no shortage of drink has been taken. Can anyone give me a 50-word summary of exactly what the blue blazes has gone on today?
Thanks
Drutt
May and Corbyn discuss compromise, but it probably won't happen MPs trying to pass law to stop No Deal, but it probably won't work No visible progress on the Deal, or any alternative Hard Brexit another day closer
Or revoke another day closer, the ERG are dicing with death as much as diehard Remainers
True. Unlike some who post with such certainty that it will go one way or the other, I have absolutely no idea which way it will fall and it looks like it might in the end all be down to the individual whim of the PM.
Even if I agreed with her on her final decision it is still no way to decide such an important issue.
There seems to be an assumption that the people who voted Leave didn't know what they were voting for, and didn't really want to leave the EU... if we were to accept that argument, and the establishment managed somehow to wriggle out of actually leaving, what would they do to address the concerns of the majority of 2016 referendum voters?
It seems to me that a "business as usual" / "pretend it never happened" attitude prevails, the formation of Chuka/TIG being the most glaring example.
A strong case can be made for saying that they didn't know what they were voting for. I had only the sketchiest understanding of what I was voting against when I voted remain. I certainly know a fuck of a lot more about it now then I did then.
In that case you were fucking dumb and should have found out before you voted. But your idiocy does not give you the right to tar everyone else with the same brush.
You're so vitriolic and intemperate you demean both you and this site.
LOL. Yet another classic from the poster who has shone with their ability to be wrong about absolutely everything.
It’s the dry, cutting, caustic, razor sharp wit that gets me every time.
Who cares Doug. You are just an anonymous troll hiding behind a false identity.
You clearly do. If I am indeed a troll then don’t feed me. I wasn’t aware that using ine’s real name was a prerequisite on this site. There are some very weird ones if that’s true.
There seems to be an assumption that the people who voted Leave didn't know what they were voting for, and didn't really want to leave the EU... if we were to accept that argument, and the establishment managed somehow to wriggle out of actually leaving, what would they do to address the concerns of the majority of 2016 referendum voters?
It seems to me that a "business as usual" / "pretend it never happened" attitude prevails, the formation of Chuka/TIG being the most glaring example.
A strong case can be made for saying that they didn't know what they were voting for. I had only the sketchiest understanding of what I was voting against when I voted remain. I certainly know a fuck of a lot more about it now then I did then.
In that case you were fucking dumb and should have found out before you voted. But your idiocy does not give you the right to tar everyone else with the same brush.
Please don't call me dumb. First, I'm not; secondly it's rude; thirdly it gives me an opening to say that i have always rated your contributions to this site as A1 for effort, but C3 for thinking skills. I wouldn't normally say that, but you started it.
Are you claiming that you *did* know what you were voting for in the sense that you foresaw us being in the position we are in now and still voted for it? Golly. And are you going to vote leave again in the forthcoming People's Vote?
He calls everyone dumb. You wouldn’t be a poster on this site if he hadn’t, at some point, called you dumb. What gets me is that even his insults lack any insight or originality. He’s not even very good at being rude.
You clearly don't pay much attention. Either that or you are imagining things. Both I would suggest are rather poor qualities in the legal profession.
I'll be honest. I've been out tonight at a a sort of pre-drinks for a local awards do where my team has a nomination, and no shortage of drink has been taken. Can anyone give me a 50-word summary of exactly what the blue blazes has gone on today?
Thanks
Drutt
May and Corbyn discuss compromise, but it probably won't happen MPs trying to pass law to stop No Deal, but it probably won't work No visible progress on the Deal, or any alternative Hard Brexit another day closer
Or revoke another day closer, the ERG are dicing with death as much as diehard Remainers
True. Unlike some who post with such certainty that it will go one way or the other, I have absolutely no idea which way it will fall and it looks like it might in the end all be down to the individual whim of the PM.
Even if I agreed with her on her final decision it is still no way to decide such an important issue.
The PM will go with what gets most votes in the Commons so she can blame them I expect based on her speech yesterday
I'll be honest. I've been out tonight at a a sort of pre-drinks for a local awards do where my team has a nomination, and no shortage of drink has been taken. Can anyone give me a 50-word summary of exactly what the blue blazes has gone on today?
Thanks
Drutt
May and Corbyn discuss compromise, but it probably won't happen MPs trying to pass law to stop No Deal, but it probably won't work No visible progress on the Deal, or any alternative Hard Brexit another day closer
2 government people you probably never heard of resigned. The HoC printer broke down.
Think that covers it
Thanks all. Also something about a tie, and (as I think I considered a possibility a fortnight ago) convicted criminal and disgraced solicitor Fiona Onasanya having effectively the casting vote in the future of the nation.
There seems to be an assumption that the people who voted Leave didn't know what they were voting for, and didn't really want to leave the EU... if we were to accept that argument, and the establishment managed somehow to wriggle out of actually leaving, what would they do to address the concerns of the majority of 2016 referendum voters?
It seems to me that a "business as usual" / "pretend it never happened" attitude prevails, the formation of Chuka/TIG being the most glaring example.
A strong case can be made for saying that they didn't know what they were voting for. I had only the sketchiest understanding of what I was voting against when I voted remain. I certainly know a fuck of a lot more about it now then I did then.
In that case you were fucking dumb and should have found out before you voted. But your idiocy does not give you the right to tar everyone else with the same brush.
Please don't call me dumb. First, I'm not; secondly it's rude; thirdly it gives me an opening to say that i have always rated your contributions to this site as A1 for effort, but C3 for thinking skills. I wouldn't normally say that, but you started it.
Are you claiming that you *did* know what you were voting for in the sense that you foresaw us being in the position we are in now and still voted for it? Golly. And are you going to vote leave again in the forthcoming People's Vote?
Two days after the referendum result I wrote an article published on here that made the explicit comparison between the Leave victory and the Western interventions in the Middle East - all about winning the war but then potentially losing the peace. I made clear that the best way to avoid this was by compromise and taking into account the views of the 48% who voted Remain.
So don't preach to me about what I did and didn't know. I published it on PB for all to see and I stand by it now.
And yes if you voted the way you did without having bothered to find out the facts then you are dumb. There were plenty of people on both sides who did bother to find out and who then voted accordingly based on their own values and principles.
Your problem is not just that you are dumb to have voted in ignorance but that you then project that on to everyone else who voted.
Use a thesaurus FFS. You use “dumb” in every post.
There seems to be an assumption that the people who voted Leave didn't know what they were voting for, and didn't really want to leave the EU... if we were to accept that argument, and the establishment managed somehow to wriggle out of actually leaving, what would they do to address the concerns of the majority of 2016 referendum voters?
It seems to me that a "business as usual" / "pretend it never happened" attitude prevails, the formation of Chuka/TIG being the most glaring example.
A strong case can be made for saying that they didn't know what they were voting for. I had only the sketchiest understanding of what I was voting against when I voted remain. I certainly know a fuck of a lot more about it now then I did then.
In that case you were fucking dumb and should have found out before you voted. But your idiocy does not give you the right to tar everyone else with the same brush.
Please don't call me dumb. First, I'm not; secondly it's rude; thirdly it gives me an opening to say that i have always rated your contributions to this site as A1 for effort, but C3 for thinking skills. I wouldn't normally say that, but you started it.
Are you claiming that you *did* know what you were voting for in the sense that you foresaw us being in the position we are in now and still voted for it? Golly. And are you going to vote leave again in the forthcoming People's Vote?
Two days after the referendum result I wrote an article published on here that made the explicit comparison between the Leave victory and the Western interventions in the Middle East - all about winning the war but then potentially losing the peace. I made clear that the best way to avoid this was by compromise and taking into account the views of the 48% who voted Remain.
So don't preach to me about what I did and didn't know. I published it on PB for all to see and I stand by it now.
And yes if you voted the way you did without having bothered to find out the facts then you are dumb. There were plenty of people on both sides who did bother to find out and who then voted accordingly based on their own values and principles.
Your problem is not just that you are dumb to have voted in ignorance but that you then project that on to everyone else who voted.
I researched the options quite adequately, thanks. The missing information was what a load of shysters, blowhards, fraudsters, fantasists and incompetent fuckwits those advocating leave were. I don't see any reason to exempt you from that judgment.
There seems to be an assumption that the people who voted Leave didn't know what they were voting for, and didn't really want to leave the EU... if we were to accept that argument, and the establishment managed somehow to wriggle out of actually leaving, what would they do to address the concerns of the majority of 2016 referendum voters?
It seems to me that a "business as usual" / "pretend it never happened" attitude prevails, the formation of Chuka/TIG being the most glaring example.
A strong case can be made for saying that they didn't know what they were voting for. I had only the sketchiest understanding of what I was voting against when I voted remain. I certainly know a fuck of a lot more about it now then I did then.
In that case you were fucking dumb and should have found out before you voted. But your idiocy does not give you the right to tar everyone else with the same brush.
You're so vitriolic and intemperate you demean both you and this site.
LOL. Yet another classic from the poster who has shone with their ability to be wrong about absolutely everything.
It’s the dry, cutting, caustic, razor sharp wit that gets me every time.
Who cares Doug. You are just an anonymous troll hiding behind a false identity.
You clearly do. If I am indeed a troll then don’t feed me. I wasn’t aware that using ine’s real name was a prerequisite on this site. There are some very weird ones if that’s true.
I told you before, I enjoy it. It is entertaining to see you desperately trying to be clever and failing dismally.
There seems to be an assumption that the people who voted Leave didn't know what they were voting for, and didn't really want to leave the EU... if we were to accept that argument, and the establishment managed somehow to wriggle out of actually leaving, what would they do to address the concerns of the majority of 2016 referendum voters?
It seems to me that a "business as usual" / "pretend it never happened" attitude prevails, the formation of Chuka/TIG being the most glaring example.
A strong case can be made for saying that they didn't know what they were voting for. I had only the sketchiest understanding of what I was voting against when I voted remain. I certainly know a fuck of a lot more about it now then I did then.
In that case you were fucking dumb and should have found out before you voted. But your idiocy does not give you the right to tar everyone else with the same brush.
Please don't call me dumb. First, I'm not; secondly it's rude; thirdly it gives me an opening to say that i have always rated your contributions to this site as A1 for effort, but C3 for thinking skills. I wouldn't normally say that, but you started it.
Are you claiming that you *did* know what you were voting for in the sense that you foresaw us being in the position we are in now and still voted for it? Golly. And are you going to vote leave again in the forthcoming People's Vote?
Two days after the referendum result I wrote an article published on here that made the explicit comparison between the Leave victory and the Western interventions in the Middle East - all about winning the war but then potentially losing the peace. I made clear that the best way to avoid this was by compromise and taking into account the views of the 48% who voted Remain.
So don't preach to me about what I did and didn't know. I published it on PB for all to see and I stand by it now.
And yes if you voted the way you did without having bothered to find out the facts then you are dumb. There were plenty of people on both sides who did bother to find out and who then voted accordingly based on their own values and principles.
Your problem is not just that you are dumb to have voted in ignorance but that you then project that on to everyone else who voted.
I'll be honest. I've been out tonight at a a sort of pre-drinks for a local awards do where my team has a nomination, and no shortage of drink has been taken. Can anyone give me a 50-word summary of exactly what the blue blazes has gone on today?
Thanks
Drutt
May and Corbyn discuss compromise, but it probably won't happen MPs trying to pass law to stop No Deal, but it probably won't work No visible progress on the Deal, or any alternative Hard Brexit another day closer
Or revoke another day closer, the ERG are dicing with death as much as diehard Remainers
Quite possibly, yes. But until Parliament can find a majority for something else, No Deal is the default position.
There seems to be an assumption that the people who voted Leave didn't know what they were voting for, and didn't really want to leave the EU... if we were to accept that argument, and the establishment managed somehow to wriggle out of actually leaving, what would they do to address the concerns of the majority of 2016 referendum voters?
It seems to me that a "business as usual" / "pretend it never happened" attitude prevails, the formation of Chuka/TIG being the most glaring example.
A strong case can be made for saying that they didn't know what they were voting for. I had only the sketchiest understanding of what I was voting against when I voted remain. I certainly know a fuck of a lot more about it now then I did then.
In that case you were fucking dumb and should have found out before you voted. But your idiocy does not give you the right to tar everyone else with the same brush.
Please don't call me dumb. First, I'm not; secondly it's rude; thirdly it gives me an opening to say that i have always rated your contributions to this site as A1 for effort, but C3 for thinking skills. I wouldn't normally say that, but you started it.
Are you claiming that you *did* know what you were voting for in the sense that you foresaw us being in the position we are in now and still voted for it? Golly. And are you going to vote leave again in the forthcoming People's Vote?
He calls everyone dumb. You wouldn’t be a poster on this site if he hadn’t, at some point, called you dumb. What gets me is that even his insults lack any insight or originality. He’s not even very good at being rude.
You clearly don't pay much attention. Either that or you are imagining things. Both I would suggest are rather poor qualities in the legal profession.
They’ll let anyone in these days. I thought you needed a modicum of insight and analytical skills to be a geologist. I guess both professions have gone to the dogs.
Who could've predicted that this would be just another of Tessie's PR stunts.... just like the last two times she announced "talks with opposition leaders".
There seems to be an assumption that the people who voted Leave didn't know what they were voting for, and didn't really want to leave the EU... if we were to accept that argument, and the establishment managed somehow to wriggle out of actually leaving, what would they do to address the concerns of the majority of 2016 referendum voters?
It seems to me that a "business as usual" / "pretend it never happened" attitude prevails, the formation of Chuka/TIG being the most glaring example.
A strong case can be made for saying that they didn't know what they were voting for. I had only the sketchiest understanding of what I was voting against when I voted remain. I certainly know a fuck of a lot more about it now then I did then.
In that case you were fucking dumb and should have found out before you voted. But your idiocy does not give you the right to tar everyone else with the same brush.
Please don't call me dumb. First, I'm not; secondly it's rude; thirdly it gives me an opening to say that i have always rated your contributions to this site as A1 for effort, but C3 for thinking skills. I wouldn't normally say that, but you started it.
Are you claiming that you *did* know what you were voting for in the sense that you foresaw us being in the position we are in now and still voted for it? Golly. And are you going to vote leave again in the forthcoming People's Vote?
Two days after the referendum result I wrote an article published on here that made the explicit comparison between the Leave victory and the Western interventions in the Middle East - all about winning the war but then potentially losing the peace. I made clear that the best way to avoid this was by compromise and taking into account the views of the 48% who voted Remain.
So don't preach to me about what I did and didn't know. I published it on PB for all to see and I stand by it now.
And yes if you voted the way you did without having bothered to find out the facts then you are dumb. There were plenty of people on both sides who did bother to find out and who then voted accordingly based on their own values and principles.
Your problem is not just that you are dumb to have voted in ignorance but that you then project that on to everyone else who voted.
I researched the options quite adequately, thanks. The missing information was what a load of shysters, blowhards, fraudsters, fantasists and incompetent fuckwits those advocating leave were. I don't see any reason to exempt you from that judgment.
As I said, dumb. Ignorance is not a virtue you know. It seems you know no more now than you did then.
There seems to be an assumption that the people who voted Leave didn't know what they were voting for, and didn't really want to leave the EU... if we were to accept that argument, and the establishment managed somehow to wriggle out of actually leaving, what would they do to address the concerns of the majority of 2016 referendum voters?
It seems to me that a "business as usual" / "pretend it never happened" attitude prevails, the formation of Chuka/TIG being the most glaring example.
A strong case can be made for saying that they didn't know what they were voting for. I had only the sketchiest understanding of what I was voting against when I voted remain. I certainly know a fuck of a lot more about it now then I did then.
In that case you were fucking dumb and should have found out before you voted. But your idiocy does not give you the right to tar everyone else with the same brush.
Please don't call me dumb. First, I'm not; secondly it's rude; thirdly it gives me an opening to say that i have always rated your contributions to this site as A1 for effort, but C3 for thinking skills. I wouldn't normally say that, but you started it.
Are you claiming that you *did* know what you were voting for in the sense that you foresaw us being in the position we are in now and still voted for it? Golly. And are you going to vote leave again in the forthcoming People's Vote?
Two days after the referendum result I wrote an article published on here that made the explicit comparison between the Leave victory and the Western interventions in the Middle East - all about winning the war but then potentially losing the peace. I made clear that the best way to avoid this was by compromise and taking into account the views of the 48% who voted Remain.
So don't preach to me about what I did and didn't know. I published it on PB for all to see and I stand by it now.
And yes if you voted the way you did without having bothered to find out the facts then you are dumb. There were plenty of people on both sides who did bother to find out and who then voted accordingly based on their own values and principles.
Your problem is not just that you are dumb to have voted in ignorance but that you then project that on to everyone else who voted.
Use a thesaurus FFS. You use “dumb” in every post.
Yet more false statements. The legal profession appears to have a real issue with people unable to tell the truth these days. Sure you are not an MP as well? That would account for a lot.
Who could've predicted that this would be just another of Tessie's PR stunts.... just like the last two times she announced "talks with opposition leaders".
As I said before, going to talk to Corbyn, leaving at least the possibility that the WA could pass unchanged, was the only way to leave the cabinet meeting without resignations. She has absolutely no room to manouvre without losing one wing of the cabinet or the other.
Just had a look back at the comments myself. Was Hunchman the one who kept claiming there was an office in some London street with a million (I exaggerate) registered businesses which was the centre of some great evil masterplan?
No shock there, Hammond is about as much a Remainer as Soubry or Clarke.
He really knows how to wind up the ERG doesn't he? They are having their earlier stupidity rammed down their throats by the bucket load these days. And its not over yet. This bill tonight even getting a second reading will be the end of their fantasies.
There seems to be an assumption that the people who voted Leave didn't know what they were voting for, and didn't really want to leave the EU... if we were to accept that argument, and the establishment managed somehow to wriggle out of actually leaving, what would they do to address the concerns of the majority of 2016 referendum voters?
It seems to me that a "business as usual" / "pretend it never happened" attitude prevails, the formation of Chuka/TIG being the most glaring example.
A strong case can be made for saying that they didn't know what they were voting for. I had only the sketchiest understanding of what I was voting against when I voted remain. I certainly know a fuck of a lot more about it now then I did then.
In that case you were fucking dumb and should have found out before you voted. But your idiocy does not give you the right to tar everyone else with the same brush.
Please don't call me dumb. First, I'm not; secondly it's rude; thirdly it gives me an opening to say that i have always rated your contributions to this site as A1 for effort, but C3 for thinking skills. I wouldn't normally say that, but you started it.
Are you claiming that you *did* know what you were voting for in the sense that you foresaw us being in the position we are in now and still voted for it? Golly. And are you going to vote leave again in the forthcoming People's Vote?
He calls everyone dumb. You wouldn’t be a poster on this site if he hadn’t, at some point, called you dumb. What gets me is that even his insults lack any insight or originality. He’s not even very good at being rude.
You clearly don't pay much attention. Either that or you are imagining things. Both I would suggest are rather poor qualities in the legal profession.
They’ll let anyone in these days. I thought you needed a modicum of insight and analytical skills to be a geologist. I guess both professions have gone to the dogs.
Nah you always just needed to be able to drink and hit rocks. We have a noble heritage going all the way back to the Neolithic.
Just had a look back at the comments myself. Was Hunchman the one who kept claiming there was an office in some London street with a million (I exaggerate) registered businesses which was the centre of some great evil masterplan?
Yes.
A great evil masterplan that was cunningly secret yet could be uncovered by looking at Company's House.
Just had a look back at the comments myself. Was Hunchman the one who kept claiming there was an office in some London street with a million (I exaggerate) registered businesses which was the centre of some great evil masterplan?
I'll be honest. I've been out tonight at a a sort of pre-drinks for a local awards do where my team has a nomination, and no shortage of drink has been taken. Can anyone give me a 50-word summary of exactly what the blue blazes has gone on today?
Thanks
Drutt
May and Corbyn discuss compromise, but it probably won't happen MPs trying to pass law to stop No Deal, but it probably won't work No visible progress on the Deal, or any alternative Hard Brexit another day closer
2 government people you probably never heard of resigned. The HoC printer broke down.
Think that covers it
Thanks all. Also something about a tie, and (as I think I considered a possibility a fortnight ago) convicted criminal and disgraced solicitor Fiona Onasanya having effectively the casting vote in the future of the nation.
That casting vote was also effectively held by “disgraced national security risk, Liam Fox” oft referred to in dispatches here.
When in reality it was exercised by blatantly biased Brexit-denier Bercow.
There seems to be an assumption that the people who voted Leave didn't know what they were voting for, and didn't really want to leave the EU... if we were to accept that argument, and the establishment managed somehow to wriggle out of actually leaving, what would they do to address the concerns of the majority of 2016 referendum voters?
It seems to me that a "business as usual" / "pretend it never happened" attitude prevails, the formation of Chuka/TIG being the most glaring example.
A strong case can be made for saying that they didn't know what they were voting for. I had only the sketchiest understanding of what I was voting against when I voted remain. I certainly know a fuck of a lot more about it now then I did then.
In that case you were fucking dumb and should have found out before you voted. But your idiocy does not give you the right to tar everyone else with the same brush.
Please don't call me dumb. First, I'm not; secondly it's rude; thirdly it gives me an opening to say that i have always rated your contributions to this site as A1 for effort, but C3 for thinking skills. I wouldn't normally say that, but you started it
Your problem is not just that you are dumb to have voted in ignorance but that you then project that on to everyone else who voted.
Use a thesaurus FFS. You use “dumb” in every post.
Yet more false statements. The legal profession appears to have a real issue with people unable to tell the truth these days. Sure you are not an MP as well? That would account for a lot.
If it’s an untruth it’s only marginally so. You’ve used the word three times at one poster just this evening - twice just above. The level of your incivility is exacerbated by your unoriginality. Thesaurus.com and others are available.
Division on Brexiter amendment to limit any extension to 22 May
It will go down by about 200 as well. This is becoming a rout.
I didn't really understand that last one, which was out of line with the other votes. I would have thought the majority would have supported the government having that flexibility. Unless MPs are now adamant anything must go through Parliament.
There seems to be an assumption that the people who voted Leave didn't know what they were voting for, and didn't really want to leave the EU... if we were to accept that argument, and the establishment managed somehow to wriggle out of actually leaving, what would they do to address the concerns of the majority of 2016 referendum voters?
It seems to me that a "business as usual" / "pretend it never happened" attitude prevails, the formation of Chuka/TIG being the most glaring example.
A strong case can be made for saying that they didn't know what they were voting for. I had only the sketchiest understanding of what I was voting against when I voted remain. I certainly know a fuck of a lot more about it now then I did then.
In that case you were fucking dumb and should have found out before you voted. But your idiocy does not give you the right to tar everyone else with the same brush.
Please don't call me dumb. First, I'm not; secondly it's rude; thirdly it gives me an opening to say that i have always rated your contributions to this site as A1 for effort, but C3 for thinking skills. I wouldn't normally say that, but you started it.
Are you claiming that you *did* know what you were voting for in the sense that you foresaw us being in the position we are in now and still voted for it? Golly. And are you going to vote leave again in the forthcoming People's Vote?
He calls everyone dumb. You wouldn’t be a poster on this site if he hadn’t, at some point, called you dumb. What gets me is that even his insults lack any insight or originality. He’s not even very good at being rude.
I don't think Richard's ever called me dumb and I've been here 12 years.
There seems to be an assumption that the people who voted Leave didn't know what they were voting for, and didn't really want to leave the EU... if we were to accept that argument, and the establishment managed somehow to wriggle out of actually leaving, what would they do to address the concerns of the majority of 2016 referendum voters?
It seems to me that a "business as usual" / "pretend it never happened" attitude prevails, the formation of Chuka/TIG being the most glaring example.
A strong case can be made for saying that they didn't know what they were voting for. I had only the sketchiest understanding of what I was voting against when I voted remain. I certainly know a fuck of a lot more about it now then I did then.
In that case you were fucking dumb and should have found out before you voted. But your idiocy does not give you the right to tar everyone else with the same brush.
Please don't call me dumb. First, I'm not; secondly it's rude; thirdly it gives me an opening to say that i have always rated your contributions to this site as A1 for effort, but C3 for thinking skills. I wouldn't normally say that, but you started it
Your problem is not just that you are dumb to have voted in ignorance but that you then project that on to everyone else who voted.
Use a thesaurus FFS. You use “dumb” in every post.
Yet more false statements. The legal profession appears to have a real issue with people unable to tell the truth these days. Sure you are not an MP as well? That would account for a lot.
If it’s an untruth it’s only a marginally so. You’ve used the word three times at one poster just this evening - twice just above. The level of your incivility is exacerbated by your unoriginality. Thesaurus.com and others are available.
You can always tell the poor authors who have eaten a Thesaurus. Repeating the same word whilst commenting on the use of that word is not, in any way, overuse. Please try harder.
There seems to be an assumption that the people who voted Leave didn't know what they were voting for, and didn't really want to leave the EU... if we were to accept that argument, and the establishment managed somehow to wriggle out of actually leaving, what would they do to address the concerns of the majority of 2016 referendum voters?
It seems to me that a "business as usual" / "pretend it never happened" attitude prevails, the formation of Chuka/TIG being the most glaring example.
A strong case can be made for saying that they didn't know what they were voting for. I had only the sketchiest understanding of what I was voting against when I voted remain. I certainly know a fuck of a lot more about it now then I did then.
In that case you were fucking dumb and should have found out before you voted. But your idiocy does not give you the right to tar everyone else with the same brush.
Please don't call me dumb. First, I'm not; secondly it's rude; thirdly it gives me an opening to say that i have always rated your contributions to this site as A1 for effort, but C3 for thinking skills. I wouldn't normally say that, but you started it.
Are you claiming that you *did* know what you were voting for in the sense that you foresaw us being in the position we are in now and still voted for it? Golly. And are you going to vote leave again in the forthcoming People's Vote?
Two days after the referendum result I wrote an article published on here that made the explicit comparison between the Leave victory and the Western interventions in the Middle East - all about winning the war but then potentially losing the peace. I made clear that the best way to avoid this was by compromise and taking into account the views of the 48% who voted Remain.
So don't preach to me about what I did and didn't know. I published it on PB for all to see and I stand by it now.
And yes if you voted the way you did without having bothered to find out the facts then you are dumb. There were plenty of people on both sides who did bother to find out and who then voted accordingly based on their own values and principles.
Your problem is not just that you are dumb to have voted in ignorance but that you then project that on to everyone else who voted.
I hope you didn't suggest taking the views of the 48% into account to archer101au - he would have had an aneurysm.
Division on Brexiter amendment to limit any extension to 22 May
It will go down by about 200 as well. This is becoming a rout.
ERG losing it all !!!!
It's May's best chance. If she manages to contrive MV4 (or 3 on some measures) surely every one of them will support it at last having seen the Brexit wagon approach the precipice. Whether that will be enough by then without Corbyn's help remains to be seen.
If he doesn't have any skeletons and doesn't stick his foot in his mouth he looks like a very good candidate. He certainly seems to be reasonable and measured and singularly lacking in ideology for its own sake.
There seems to be an assumption that the people who voted Leave didn't know what they were voting for, and didn't really want to leave the EU... if we were to accept that argument, and the establishment managed somehow to wriggle out of actually leaving, what would they do to address the concerns of the majority of 2016 referendum voters?
It seems to me that a "business as usual" / "pretend it never happened" attitude prevails, the formation of Chuka/TIG being the most glaring example.
A strong case can be made for saying that they didn't know what they were voting for. I had only the sketchiest understanding of what I was voting against when I voted remain. I certainly know a fuck of a lot more about it now then I did then.
In that case you were fucking dumb and should have found out before you voted. But your idiocy does not give you the right to tar everyone else with the same brush.
Please don't call me dumb. First, I'm not; secondly it's rude; thirdly it gives me an opening to say that i have always rated your contributions to this site as A1 for effort, but C3 for thinking skills. I wouldn't normally say that, but you started it.
Are you claiming that you *did* know what you were voting for in the sense that you foresaw us being in the position we are in now and still voted for it? Golly. And are you going to vote leave again in the forthcoming People's Vote?
Two days after the referendum result I wrote an article published on here that made the explicit comparison between the Leave victory and the Western interventions in the Middle East - all about winning the war but then potentially losing the peace. I made clear that the best way to avoid this was by compromise and taking into account the views of the 48% who voted Remain.
So don't preach to me about what I did and didn't know. I published it on PB for all to see and I stand by it now.
And yes if you voted the way you did without having bothered to find out the facts then you are dumb. There were plenty of people on both sides who did bother to find out and who then voted accordingly based on their own values and principles.
Your problem is not just that you are dumb to have voted in ignorance but that you then project that on to everyone else who voted.
I hope you didn't suggest taking the views of the 48% into account to archer101au - he would have had an aneurysm.
I think we should have the European Elections, but then leave the day before the first session of the new EP. Ideally, the new MEPs would have caught the Eurostar to Brussels, and would have to turn straight around and come home.
Theory: the whole May-Corbyn talks thing that so many people are getting excited about doesn't represent some magical new path to BINO. It's just a cynical ruse to run the clock down again.
May is trying to run most of the remaining time down, and leave the Commons with no alternative plan to present to the European Council on the 10th. They then have to pass the Deal, or else only No Deal or Revoke are left as options, both of which MPs loathe even more. Also, if it does end up being No Deal or Revoke in the end, she can try to pin some of the blame on Corbyn for being an arse. Or something.
Corbyn has all kinds of potential wins out of this process. He can look statesmanlike by apparently engaging with the cross-party process. He can then blame May for being an arse (or something) when it breaks down. He can ask - or at least, be reported as having asked - for the People's Vote, muddying the waters on whether he really wants the option or not (useful for fence sitting between Leave and Remain Labour voters.) If the process ends in No Deal then he can blame May's failure to engage with his wonderful ideas for anything and everything that goes wrong (whilst being secretly pleased that we are rid of the whole EU project, as his Palaeosocialist faction has never much liked it.) If he's really lucky, either No Deal or Revoke blows one of the wings off the Tory Party and it falls out of the sky, crashes and bursts into flames.
Anyway, more pointless chin-wagging tomorrow, Parliament (presumably) won't sit on Friday, then it's the weekend (posturing in the Sunday papers and on the Andrew Marr Show,) and by the time MPs come back and realise it was all just a game it'll already be Monday 8th.
If they still insist they won't swallow the Withdrawal Agreement then, to get any kind of plan B to the European Council in time to win a long extension, they need to find a majority for it no later than Tuesday 9th.
There seems to be an assumption that the people who voted Leave didn't know what they were voting for, and didn't really want to leave the EU... if we were to accept that argument, and the establishment managed somehow to wriggle out of actually leaving, what would they do to address the concerns of the majority of 2016 referendum voters?
It seems to me that a "business as usual" / "pretend it never happened" attitude prevails, the formation of Chuka/TIG being the most glaring example.
A strong case can be made for saying that they didn't know what they were voting for. I had only the sketchiest understanding of what I was voting against when I voted remain. I certainly know a fuck of a lot more about it now then I did then.
In that case you were fucking dumb and should have found out before you voted. But your idiocy does not give you the right to tar everyone else with the same brush.
Please don't call me dumb. First, I'm not; secondly it's rude; thirdly it gives me an opening to say that i have always rated your contributions to this site as A1 for effort, but C3 for thinking skills. I wouldn't normally say that, but you started it.
Are you claiming that you *did* know what you were voting for in the sense that you foresaw us being in the position we are in now and still voted for it? Golly. And are you going to vote leave again in the forthcoming People's Vote?
Two days after the referendum result I wrote an article published on here that made the explicit comparison between the Leave victory and the Western interventions in the Middle East - all about winning the war but then potentially losing the peace. I made clear that the best way to avoid this was by compromise and taking into account the views of the 48% who voted Remain.
So don't preach to me about what I did and didn't know. I published it on PB for all to see and I stand by it now.
And yes if you voted the way you did without having bothered to find out the facts then you are dumb. There were plenty of people on both sides who did bother to find out and who then voted accordingly based on their own values and principles.
Your problem is not just that you are dumb to have voted in ignorance but that you then project that on to everyone else who voted.
I hope you didn't suggest taking the views of the 48% into account to archer101au - he would have had an aneurysm.
Division on Brexiter amendment to limit any extension to 22 May
It will go down by about 200 as well. This is becoming a rout.
ERG losing it all !!!!
It's May's best chance. If she manages to contrive MV4 (or 3 on some measures) surely every one of them will support it at last having seen the Brexit wagon approach the precipice. Whether that will be enough by then without Corbyn's help remains to be seen.
The ERG, think MV + Deal is worse than being in the EU. I don't think ERG will now suddenly back that and the DUP would see hell freeze over before they back the May Deal!
If he doesn't have any skeletons and doesn't stick his foot in his mouth he looks like a very good candidate. He certainly seems to be reasonable and measured and singularly lacking in ideology for its own sake.
I am expecting a first debate surprise. But to be honest he is now 9 on BF for Dem nominee. Not sure I would go in at that price.
Division on Brexiter amendment to limit any extension to 22 May
It will go down by about 200 as well. This is becoming a rout.
ERG losing it all !!!!
It's May's best chance. If she manages to contrive MV4 (or 3 on some measures) surely every one of them will support it at last having seen the Brexit wagon approach the precipice. Whether that will be enough by then without Corbyn's help remains to be seen.
If a lot of them are thinking like Farage (go for a long extension, get a new leader, get a new Parliament through a general election and press reset with the negotiations) then no I still don't think enough of them will vote for the deal.
I hope you didn't suggest taking the views of the 48% into account to archer101au - he would have had an aneurysm.
Wonder what archer would make of all this?
He wasn't particularly keen on any deal of any kind with the EU. (Even if they paid us, and had to adopt all UK standards, it would still be a deal too far for him.)
Division on Brexiter amendment to limit any extension to 22 May
It will go down by about 200 as well. This is becoming a rout.
I'd hope the majority would see tying ourselves to a date isn't helpful
It's not our date though is it? Its the EU's date for when we have to either leave or take part in the less amusing version of the Eurovision Song contest.
If he doesn't have any skeletons and doesn't stick his foot in his mouth he looks like a very good candidate. He certainly seems to be reasonable and measured and singularly lacking in ideology for its own sake.
I am expecting a first debate surprise. But to be honest he is now 9 on BF for Dem nominee. Not sure I would go in at that price.
I think we should have the European Elections, but then leave the day before the first session of the new EP. Ideally, the new MEPs would have caught the Eurostar to Brussels, and would have to turn straight around and come home.
Farage would of course claim the expenses! (That is if he is elected as I can see less enlightened people still thinking he is UKIP).
Division on Brexiter amendment to limit any extension to 22 May
It will go down by about 200 as well. This is becoming a rout.
ERG losing it all !!!!
It's May's best chance. If she manages to contrive MV4 (or 3 on some measures) surely every one of them will support it at last having seen the Brexit wagon approach the precipice. Whether that will be enough by then without Corbyn's help remains to be seen.
If a lot of them are thinking like Farage (go for a long extension, get a new leader, get a new Parliament through a general election and press reset with the negotiations) then no I still don't think enough of them will vote for the deal.
As I say, even if they did I think its too late. The remainer tails are up and they are determined to stop this completely. Corbyn is actually May's last chance. That's how desperate all this has got.
Most Tory MPs have already voted against revoke or EUref2 and indeed over half have already voted to Leave with No Deal, however in case you had not realised we have a hung Parliament, not a Tory majority of 150
I struggle to find any redeeming qualities in Phillip Hammond.
No one complaining about unemployment. No one complaining about inflation. No one complaining about high interest rates. Chancellors in the past would have given their eye teeth for that.
If he doesn't have any skeletons and doesn't stick his foot in his mouth he looks like a very good candidate. He certainly seems to be reasonable and measured and singularly lacking in ideology for its own sake.
Apparently his reelection video for Mayor was all about how much better the City had gotten at clearing snow under his watch.
Most Tory MPs have already voted against revoke or EUref2 and indeed over half have already voted to Leave with No Deal, however in case you had not realised we have a hung Parliament, not a Tory majority of 150
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Even if I agreed with her on her final decision it is still no way to decide such an important issue.
But to be honest I have no idea what that means.
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/06/26/richard-tyndall-on-the-exit-strategy/
So many banned users in the comments!
Who could've predicted that this would be just another of Tessie's PR stunts.... just like the last two times she announced "talks with opposition leaders".
Just as Andy's spreadsheet smashed the Hedge Fund models, so I think Richard Tyndall seems to have more of a Brexit plan here than Boris ever had.
1. So we can get Theresa out and a Brexiteer PM in.
2. And that PM can then hold an election and secure a majority.
3. With a majority they can then press the reset button on negotaitations and go for FTA or managed No Deal.
4. While all this is going on Nigel stays on the EU gravy train and gets to be horrid to Jucker et al in the process.
MPs have rejected the Cooper bill at Committee stage by 304:313. "
No woinder I am lost.
Meanwhile the amendment to protect the government's ability to seek extension in other circumstances fails 220 v 400
A great evil masterplan that was cunningly secret yet could be uncovered by looking at Company's House.
When in reality it was exercised by blatantly biased Brexit-denier Bercow.
That was the result on Amendment 21 (Tabled by George Eustice, opposed by Cooper)
"How the mayor of South Bend became a surprisingly serious contender in the 2020 Democratic primary race."
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/4/3/18282638/pete-buttigieg-mayor-pete-pronounce-explained
Let me know when they actually type up their pathetic whinny resignation letters.
Wonder what archer would make of all this?
May is trying to run most of the remaining time down, and leave the Commons with no alternative plan to present to the European Council on the 10th. They then have to pass the Deal, or else only No Deal or Revoke are left as options, both of which MPs loathe even more. Also, if it does end up being No Deal or Revoke in the end, she can try to pin some of the blame on Corbyn for being an arse. Or something.
Corbyn has all kinds of potential wins out of this process. He can look statesmanlike by apparently engaging with the cross-party process. He can then blame May for being an arse (or something) when it breaks down. He can ask - or at least, be reported as having asked - for the People's Vote, muddying the waters on whether he really wants the option or not (useful for fence sitting between Leave and Remain Labour voters.) If the process ends in No Deal then he can blame May's failure to engage with his wonderful ideas for anything and everything that goes wrong (whilst being secretly pleased that we are rid of the whole EU project, as his Palaeosocialist faction has never much liked it.) If he's really lucky, either No Deal or Revoke blows one of the wings off the Tory Party and it falls out of the sky, crashes and bursts into flames.
Anyway, more pointless chin-wagging tomorrow, Parliament (presumably) won't sit on Friday, then it's the weekend (posturing in the Sunday papers and on the Andrew Marr Show,) and by the time MPs come back and realise it was all just a game it'll already be Monday 8th.
If they still insist they won't swallow the Withdrawal Agreement then, to get any kind of plan B to the European Council in time to win a long extension, they need to find a majority for it no later than Tuesday 9th.
So, no pressure, then.
https://www.facebook.com/1586671888254288/posts/2300387296882740?sfns=mo
Biden 28.8
Sanders 21.8
Harris 9.8
O'Rourke 9.2
Warren 5.7
Booker 3.2
Buttigieg 2.3
Klobuchar 1.7
Yang 1.0
Castro 1.0
Hickenlooper 0.7
Gillibrand 0.7
Inslee 0.7
http://ukpollingreport.co.uk/blog/archives/10054
No one complaining about inflation.
No one complaining about high interest rates.
Chancellors in the past would have given their eye teeth for that.
I like that.