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A surprising number! often as treats for expats.Charles said:
How many people take food on holiday?Foxy said:
Wait until the pasty transportation issue hits:glw said:
I can honestly say I have never eaten any avocado I liked, whether at home, with friends, family, or in a restaurant. There are very few things I dislike eating, avocado is one of the few.Richard_Nabavi said:
Have you perhaps made the elementary mistake of believing supermarkets who claim their avocados are ripe and ready to eat?glw said:
That's a shame as I hate avocados, and generally only eat the ghastly things to be polite.TGOHF said:Virtually all of the Uks avocados are imported from Mexico, the US and ISRAEL.
No impact from a hard brexit.
https://twitter.com/TelePolitics/status/1113430434724098050?s=19
When we lived in Georgia, my granny tried to bring us some proper sausages. US customs were not sympathetic.0 -
If they can strike a deal that 60% or so of their MP's can back, then it will pass.kle4 said:
Could be worse, although frankly we heard words of a not totally dissimilar nature every time the DUP sat down to confirm they were still a no.Richard_Nabavi said:0 -
Essential to bring tea, unless you want to drink that disgusting Liptons stuff.......Foxy said:
A surprising number! often as treats for expats.Charles said:
How many people take food on holiday?Foxy said:
Wait until the pasty transportation issue hits:glw said:
I can honestly say I have never eaten any avocado I liked, whether at home, with friends, family, or in a restaurant. There are very few things I dislike eating, avocado is one of the few.Richard_Nabavi said:
Have you perhaps made the elementary mistake of believing supermarkets who claim their avocados are ripe and ready to eat?glw said:
That's a shame as I hate avocados, and generally only eat the ghastly things to be polite.TGOHF said:Virtually all of the Uks avocados are imported from Mexico, the US and ISRAEL.
No impact from a hard brexit.
https://twitter.com/TelePolitics/status/1113430434724098050?s=19
When we lived in Georgia, my granny tried to bring us some proper sausages. US customs were not sympathetic.
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I suppose the important questions is...what type of biscuits? Some would be worth arguing for more than others!_Anazina_ said:
My mother once tried to smuggle two packets of biscuits into the United States, then unwisely tried to argue with the customs official when he confiscated them.Charles said:
How many people take food on holiday?Foxy said:
Wait until the pasty transportation issue hits:glw said:
I can honestly say I have never eaten any avocado I liked, whether at home, with friends, family, or in a restaurant. There are very few things I dislike eating, avocado is one of the few.Richard_Nabavi said:
Have you perhaps made the elementary mistake of believing supermarkets who claim their avocados are ripe and ready to eat?glw said:
That's a shame as I hate avocados, and generally only eat the ghastly things to be polite.TGOHF said:Virtually all of the Uks avocados are imported from Mexico, the US and ISRAEL.
No impact from a hard brexit.
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I think you have to delineate between those who see Europe as the most important issue in their life (Bill Cash) and those who frankly give much less of a ****Sean_F said:
Based on the polling which suggest:-Nigel_Foremain said:
Based on what evidence?Sean_F said:
CHH is probably close to the median Conservative voter.The_Taxman said:
They always try making out they are middle of the road Tories when they are not. Mike Penning tried the same rouse saying he was middle of the road on Europe when he had been the whipless Tories spokesperson in the 1990s. Middle of the road my arse!williamglenn said:
He’s the McCarthy of the ERG.TheScreamingEagles said:
https://www.theguardian.com/education/2017/oct/24/universities-mccarthyism-mp-demands-list-brexit-chris-heaton-harris
1. 70-75% of Conservatives want to Leave the EU
2. 60% now support May's Deal.
Pro-EU Conservatives are now untypical, but most are not fanatics like Francois and Cope.0 -
You'll take my chocolate hobnobs when you take my life!solarflare said:
I suppose the important questions is...what type of biscuits? Some would be worth arguing for more than others!_Anazina_ said:
My mother once tried to smuggle two packets of biscuits into the United States, then unwisely tried to argue with the customs official when he confiscated them.Charles said:
How many people take food on holiday?Foxy said:
Wait until the pasty transportation issue hits:glw said:
I can honestly say I have never eaten any avocado I liked, whether at home, with friends, family, or in a restaurant. There are very few things I dislike eating, avocado is one of the few.Richard_Nabavi said:
Have you perhaps made the elementary mistake of believing supermarkets who claim their avocados are ripe and ready to eat?glw said:
That's a shame as I hate avocados, and generally only eat the ghastly things to be polite.TGOHF said:Virtually all of the Uks avocados are imported from Mexico, the US and ISRAEL.
No impact from a hard brexit.
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Cheese! must have proper cheese...Cyclefree said:
Essential to bring tea, unless you want to drink that disgusting Liptons stuff.......Foxy said:
A surprising number! often as treats for expats.Charles said:
How many people take food on holiday?Foxy said:
Wait until the pasty transportation issue hits:glw said:
I can honestly say I have never eaten any avocado I liked, whether at home, with friends, family, or in a restaurant. There are very few things I dislike eating, avocado is one of the few.Richard_Nabavi said:
Have you perhaps made the elementary mistake of believing supermarkets who claim their avocados are ripe and ready to eat?glw said:
That's a shame as I hate avocados, and generally only eat the ghastly things to be polite.TGOHF said:Virtually all of the Uks avocados are imported from Mexico, the US and ISRAEL.
No impact from a hard brexit.
https://twitter.com/TelePolitics/status/1113430434724098050?s=19
When we lived in Georgia, my granny tried to bring us some proper sausages. US customs were not sympathetic.0 -
Gotta say Jezza missed a trick not getting a "money shot" of himself outside Downing St looking like the PM in waiting.
Labour's media operation leaves a lot to be desired...0 -
Cadbury's chocolate and Zovirax - fetch a fortune on the black market.Cyclefree said:
Essential to bring tea, unless you want to drink that disgusting Liptons stuff.......Foxy said:
A surprising number! often as treats for expats.Charles said:
How many people take food on holiday?Foxy said:
Wait until the pasty transportation issue hits:glw said:
I can honestly say I have never eaten any avocado I liked, whether at home, with friends, family, or in a restaurant. There are very few things I dislike eating, avocado is one of the few.Richard_Nabavi said:
Have you perhaps made the elementary mistake of believing supermarkets who claim their avocados are ripe and ready to eat?glw said:
That's a shame as I hate avocados, and generally only eat the ghastly things to be polite.TGOHF said:Virtually all of the Uks avocados are imported from Mexico, the US and ISRAEL.
No impact from a hard brexit.
https://twitter.com/TelePolitics/status/1113430434724098050?s=19
When we lived in Georgia, my granny tried to bring us some proper sausages. US customs were not sympathetic.0 -
Very late to the thread, but are we expecting, then, that a more-or-less complete reversal of the 2016 result is going to result in all that huge opposition withering away? Isn't it more likely that it will just be submerged again until something (a successful partition for Scotland, say) brings it all out again?Richard_Nabavi said:
Nor can you use the benefit of hindsight to call it a 'massive strategic mistake'. I'm not even sure that there was any choice in the matter. Your comments make sense only if you ignore the huge opposition to our membership of the EU which had built up over decades.williamglenn said:You can't whitewash massive strategic mistakes on the basis that it would have been a great plan if only the electorate had played along.
Good evening, everyone.0 -
To be fair there are usually rules on taking good products into other countries. I’m surprised that loads of people are carrying sacks if Cornish pastiesSquareRoot said:
Its bound to be another straight banana story!Charles said:
How many people take food on holiday?Foxy said:
Wait until the pasty transportation issue hits:glw said:
I can honestly say I have never eaten any avocado I liked, whether at home, with friends, family, or in a restaurant. There are very few things I dislike eating, avocado is one of the few.Richard_Nabavi said:
Have you perhaps made the elementary mistake of believing supermarkets who claim their avocados are ripe and ready to eat?glw said:
That's a shame as I hate avocados, and generally only eat the ghastly things to be polite.TGOHF said:Virtually all of the Uks avocados are imported from Mexico, the US and ISRAEL.
No impact from a hard brexit.
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Rumours of a tie in the Benn ammendment.0
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Lincoln biscuits I hope_Anazina_ said:
My mother once tried to smuggle two packets of biscuits into the United States, then unwisely tried to argue with the customs official when he confiscated them.Charles said:
How many people take food on holiday?Foxy said:
Wait until the pasty transportation issue hits:glw said:
I can honestly say I have never eaten any avocado I liked, whether at home, with friends, family, or in a restaurant. There are very few things I dislike eating, avocado is one of the few.Richard_Nabavi said:
Have you perhaps made the elementary mistake of believing supermarkets who claim their avocados are ripe and ready to eat?glw said:
That's a shame as I hate avocados, and generally only eat the ghastly things to be polite.TGOHF said:Virtually all of the Uks avocados are imported from Mexico, the US and ISRAEL.
No impact from a hard brexit.
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You mean like Good Brie?Foxy said:
Cheese! must have proper cheese...Cyclefree said:
Essential to bring tea, unless you want to drink that disgusting Liptons stuff.......Foxy said:
A surprising number! often as treats for expats.Charles said:
How many people take food on holiday?Foxy said:
Wait until the pasty transportation issue hits:glw said:
I can honestly say I have never eaten any avocado I liked, whether at home, with friends, family, or in a restaurant. There are very few things I dislike eating, avocado is one of the few.Richard_Nabavi said:
Have you perhaps made the elementary mistake of believing supermarkets who claim their avocados are ripe and ready to eat?glw said:
That's a shame as I hate avocados, and generally only eat the ghastly things to be polite.TGOHF said:Virtually all of the Uks avocados are imported from Mexico, the US and ISRAEL.
No impact from a hard brexit.
https://twitter.com/TelePolitics/status/1113430434724098050?s=19
When we lived in Georgia, my granny tried to bring us some proper sausages. US customs were not sympathetic.0 -
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Of course not. Meat products are always verboten.Foxy said:
A surprising number! often as treats for expats.Charles said:
How many people take food on holiday?Foxy said:
Wait until the pasty transportation issue hits:glw said:
I can honestly say I have never eaten any avocado I liked, whether at home, with friends, family, or in a restaurant. There are very few things I dislike eating, avocado is one of the few.Richard_Nabavi said:
Have you perhaps made the elementary mistake of believing supermarkets who claim their avocados are ripe and ready to eat?glw said:
That's a shame as I hate avocados, and generally only eat the ghastly things to be polite.TGOHF said:Virtually all of the Uks avocados are imported from Mexico, the US and ISRAEL.
No impact from a hard brexit.
https://twitter.com/TelePolitics/status/1113430434724098050?s=19
When we lived in Georgia, my granny tried to bring us some proper sausages. US customs were not sympathetic.
Jaffa cakes, chocolates and twinings tea always get through...0 -
That would probably be the correct thing to do, since the convention is that the Speaker should vote in favour of allowing further discussion and avoid closing off options.RobinWiggs said:0 -
Hopefully, poke the Tories in the eye yet again, revenge must be very sweet for him.RobinWiggs said:
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Rumours the Benn amendment division has led to a tie0
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Yes, very common among expat communities - except those from the UK, USA and Australia!Foxy said:
A surprising number! often as treats for expats.Charles said:
How many people take food on holiday?Foxy said:
Wait until the pasty transportation issue hits:glw said:
I can honestly say I have never eaten any avocado I liked, whether at home, with friends, family, or in a restaurant. There are very few things I dislike eating, avocado is one of the few.Richard_Nabavi said:
Have you perhaps made the elementary mistake of believing supermarkets who claim their avocados are ripe and ready to eat?glw said:
That's a shame as I hate avocados, and generally only eat the ghastly things to be polite.TGOHF said:Virtually all of the Uks avocados are imported from Mexico, the US and ISRAEL.
No impact from a hard brexit.
https://twitter.com/TelePolitics/status/1113430434724098050?s=19
When we lived in Georgia, my granny tried to bring us some proper sausages. US customs were not sympathetic.0 -
Nicola Sturgeon cautions against doing things in a rush.
ROTFL ROTFL ROTFL ROTFL ROTFL ROTFL ROTFL ROTFL ROTFL ROTFL ROTFL ROTFL0 -
310 to 3100
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How do I option the author for my next TV miniseries?Slackbladder said:Rumours of a tie in the Benn ammendment.
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Tough choice for Bercow, which causes most damage to the Tories?0
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Holy hell... who's writing this script...0
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Bercow correct0
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Bercow says Nobigjohnowls said:310 to 310
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But this is an amendment to the motion, not the motion itself. He shouldn’t have a decider. If not passed, the amendment falls surely. That’ll be what they are working through I guess.Richard_Nabavi said:
That would probably be the correct thing to do, since the convention is that the Speaker should vote in favour of allowing further discussion and avoid closing off options.RobinWiggs said:
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Benn cross-party amendment (providing time for MP-led indicative votes on Monday) falls 310 v 310 on Speakers casting vote.
Now onto a division on the substantive Programme Motion as not amended. Sensible MPs in all parties v Tory Brexiters.0 -
He acted correctlyAndrew said:Tough choice for Bercow, which causes most damage to the Tories?
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Holy Hell.....Bercow forced to vote it down.0
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Yes, she just HAS to get the Withdrawal Agreement passed. If she can do that, under whatever circumstances, she has a legacy. She will have delivered Brexit. If she fails she will have nothing, nothing at all, to show for her premiership. That must hurt deeply on a personal level, and is there any other level apart from the personal when all is said and done? Not really.kle4 said:Long extension looks nailed on, because it enables enough waverers to punt any decision further down the field. May is desperate for a deal to pass right now, and is clearly willing to pay a big price to do so, but there may not be enough willing to name their price for that.
Corbyn is thus in an enormously powerful position right now, something which I am sure he realizes. The trouble is, Labour's Brexit policy is essentially the same as hers, therefore simply getting her to accept that would not be much of a victory. Given his leverage, it would hardly be a victory at all. It would be letting her off the hook.
So he will surely ask for more than that. Abolition of tuition fees and nationalizing the trains springs to mind. That would broaden the debate somewhat and would certainly put the cat amongst the pigeons!0 -
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speaker_Denison's_ruleRobinWiggs said:
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Bercow is a Tory.Andrew said:Tough choice for Bercow, which causes most damage to the Tories?
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He went with the noes. Surprised.0
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Arguable either way I guess. This is a VERY unusual circumstance.RobinWiggs said:
But this is an amendment to the motion, not the motion itself. He shouldn’t have a decider. If not passed, the amendment falls surely. That’ll be what they are working through I guess.Richard_Nabavi said:
That would probably be the correct thing to do, since the convention is that the Speaker should vote in favour of allowing further discussion and avoid closing off options.RobinWiggs said:0 -
wrongCharles said:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speaker_Denison's_ruleRobinWiggs said:0 -
Looking at the talks between May and Corbyn today from the Labour side, does anyone else think that if Corbyn were to agree a resolution that say had a CU or even a SM commitment attached to it, that it would be electoral suicide for Labour. Most metropolitan Labour voters are baying for a 2nd ref and I get the impression that the northern Labour leaver contingent don't think that much of JC anyway and he is far from guaranteed their vote in any outcome at the next election. Tories could get themselves a fresh young credible leader (easier said than done) and call an autumn election and wipe out a lot of Labour seats. I suspect Chukka and Heidi would be smiling though, particularly if they can enter some pacts with LD.0
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Maybe he'll demand recognition of Palestine.kinabalu said:
Yes, she just HAS to get the Withdrawal Agreement passed. If she can do that, under whatever circumstances, she has a legacy. She will have delivered Brexit. If she fails she will have nothing, nothing at all, to show for her premiership. That must hurt deeply on a personal level, and is there any other level apart from the personal when all is said and done? Not really.kle4 said:Long extension looks nailed on, because it enables enough waverers to punt any decision further down the field. May is desperate for a deal to pass right now, and is clearly willing to pay a big price to do so, but there may not be enough willing to name their price for that.
Corbyn is thus in an enormously powerful position right now, something which I am sure he realizes. The trouble is, Labour's Brexit policy is essentially the same as hers, therefore simply getting her to accept that would not be much of a victory. Given his leverage, it would hardly be a victory at all. It would be letting her off the hook.
So he will surely ask for more than that. Abolition of tuition fees and nationalizing the trains springs to mind. That would broaden the debate somewhat and would certainly put the cat amongst the pigeons!0 -
Bercow indicating he will exercise casting vote in favour at second reading but against at final stage.0
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No-one can now say Bercow is biased against Brexit.0
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Fair decision by Bercow and saves us more IV showboating on Monday .0
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His explanation just then was actually reasonable and cogent. I am surprised again.Richard_Nabavi said:
Arguable either way I guess. This is a VERY unusual circumstance.RobinWiggs said:
But this is an amendment to the motion, not the motion itself. He shouldn’t have a decider. If not passed, the amendment falls surely. That’ll be what they are working through I guess.Richard_Nabavi said:
That would probably be the correct thing to do, since the convention is that the Speaker should vote in favour of allowing further discussion and avoid closing off options.RobinWiggs said:
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https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1113479089216729089
any screen shots of Bercow's face when the vote was announced?0 -
IndeedTheScreamingEagles said:No-one can now say Bercow is biased against Brexit.
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Yes, it seemed fair enough.RobinWiggs said:
His explanation just then was actually reasonable and cogent. I am surprised again.Richard_Nabavi said:
Arguable either way I guess. This is a VERY unusual circumstance.RobinWiggs said:
But this is an amendment to the motion, not the motion itself. He shouldn’t have a decider. If not passed, the amendment falls surely. That’ll be what they are working through I guess.Richard_Nabavi said:
That would probably be the correct thing to do, since the convention is that the Speaker should vote in favour of allowing further discussion and avoid closing off options.RobinWiggs said:0 -
Well they probably could, he just picked a relatively easy battle to take the opposite side for a change.TheScreamingEagles said:No-one can now say Bercow is biased against Brexit.
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The rule says he votes against amendments to bills - assume he treated a motion in the same waymalcolmg said:
wrongCharles said:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speaker_Denison's_ruleRobinWiggs said:0 -
Under FPTP revoking Article 50 or 2nd ref and Remain could actually be suicide for Labour given most Tory and Labour marginal seats voted Leave and Labour Remain voters tend to be concentrated in ultra safe inner city seats.Greenwich_Floater said:Looking at the talks between May and Corbyn today from the Labour side, does anyone else think that if Corbyn were to agree a resolution that say had a CU or even a SM commitment attached to it, that it would be electoral suicide for Labour. Most metropolitan Labour voters are baying for a 2nd ref and I get the impression that the northern Labour leaver contingent don't think that much of JC anyway and he is far from guaranteed their vote in any outcome at the next election. Tories could get themselves a fresh young credible leader (easier said than done) and call an autumn election and wipe out a lot of Labour seats. I suspect Chukka and Heidi would be smiling though, particularly if they can enter some pacts with LD.
In any case Deltapoll at the weekend had both Tory and Labour voters backing the Deal plus Customs Union even if Tory voters backed it less than No Deal and Labour voters backed it less than revoke or EUref20 -
Total opposition to Brexit would please lots of people on the left, but would also keep right wing voters and the DUP on board with the Tories. Passing the WA with conditions could break them up.Greenwich_Floater said:Looking at the talks between May and Corbyn today from the Labour side, does anyone else think that if Corbyn were to agree a resolution that say had a CU or even a SM commitment attached to it, that it would be electoral suicide for Labour. Most metropolitan Labour voters are baying for a 2nd ref and I get the impression that the northern Labour leaver contingent don't think that much of JC anyway and he is far from guaranteed their vote in any outcome at the next election. Tories could get themselves a fresh young credible leader (easier said than done) and call an autumn election and wipe out a lot of Labour seats. I suspect Chukka and Heidi would be smiling though, particularly if they can enter some pacts with LD.
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I thought May wanted indicative votes on Monday in case she and Jez couldnt come up with something. or does she not want them controlled by backbenchers.0
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I really don't buy into the idea that May is now desperate to get the Withdrawal Agreement passed. She just needs for it not to be obviously her fault that we head into the European elections.kinabalu said:
Yes, she just HAS to get the Withdrawal Agreement passed. If she can do that, under whatever circumstances, she has a legacy. She will have delivered Brexit. If she fails she will have nothing, nothing at all, to show for her premiership. That must hurt deeply on a personal level, and is there any other level apart from the personal when all is said and done? Not really.kle4 said:Long extension looks nailed on, because it enables enough waverers to punt any decision further down the field. May is desperate for a deal to pass right now, and is clearly willing to pay a big price to do so, but there may not be enough willing to name their price for that.
If at the end of this we never leave, May will have pulled off a seemingly impossible political feat, which even if it was not her intention, will make her one of the most noteworthy PMs in history.0 -
Division on business motion0
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Government can still go there; Parliament cannotpaulyork64 said:I thought May wanted indicative votes on Monday in case she and Jez couldnt come up with something. or does she not want them controlled by backbenchers.
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Brilliant decision by Bercow, he really has come into his own recently. An excellent speaker , almost getting to the level of the best , Lord Tonypandy. He will never get there but doing a great job.0
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There’s no controversy Bercow was correct and the IVs wouldn’t go anywhere anyway .
You win some you lose some Remainers need to respect his decision and I’m a Remainer!0 -
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It will likely be Deal plus Customs Union now or we contest the European Parliament elections and stay in the EU indefinitely.Black_Rook said:
Of course it is. If the Commons does not, between now and next Tuesday, vote either (a) to pass the Deal or (b) find a sustainable majority for a softer form of Brexit that the EU27 would be interested in negotiating, then the only options left will then be Hard Brexit or Revocation.TheScreamingEagles said:
Time is all but up, and there's still no sign of a Parliamentary majority for any solution.
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It was a big moment as the backbenchers cannot put forward their indicative votes including a referendum or revoke. The look on the faces of the TIGS and SNP said it all as they see their dreams disappearpaulyork64 said:I thought May wanted indicative votes on Monday in case she and Jez couldnt come up with something. or does she not want them controlled by backbenchers.
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It will be interesting to compare votes on the Benn amendment with the previous amendment on holding the IVs, to see who has switched or abstained.0
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It's a very strange situation because this isn't a government motion. You could argue that Sir Oliver Letwin is playing the normal role of the government, and I believe he accepted the Benn amendment. So perhaps that would suggest that Bercow should have voted for it.0
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MPs can amend Mays indicative votes on Monday anyway .0
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I would expect a PV could still be moved as an amendment to the eventual motion. And that assumes Corbyn is willing to take the risk of dropping it in any agreement with May. Which would be *brave*.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It was a big moment as the backbenchers cannot put forward their indicative votes including a referendum or revoke. The look on the faces of the TIGS and SNP said it all as they see their dreams disappearpaulyork64 said:I thought May wanted indicative votes on Monday in case she and Jez couldnt come up with something. or does she not want them controlled by backbenchers.
The rumours are in any case that May is willing to put Revoke on the table.0 -
Yes , great decisionCharles said:
The rule says he votes against amendments to bills - assume he treated a motion in the same waymalcolmg said:
wrongCharles said:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speaker_Denison's_ruleRobinWiggs said:0 -
Of course it's Benn from Labour and Letwin from the Conservatives who are the main driving force behind the indicative votes.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It was a big moment as the backbenchers cannot put forward their indicative votes including a referendum or revoke. The look on the faces of the TIGS and SNP said it all as they see their dreams disappearpaulyork64 said:I thought May wanted indicative votes on Monday in case she and Jez couldnt come up with something. or does she not want them controlled by backbenchers.
The IV process was the right thing to try but they screwed it up by not having a process to produce a more decisive result in the second round of them. They missed their shot, essentially.0 -
Two SNP politicians are locked in an “abuse” battle on Twitter after making tit-for-tat complaints about each other in a row over transgender rights.
Gregor Murray, a councillor in Dundee, told Joan McAlpine, the chairwoman of Holyrood’s equalities committee, that she “lacks the necessary brain cells” to be an MSP.
Ms McAlpine, 57, has launched an internal party grievance against the councillor, who objects to being referred to with the pronoun “he” and claims to have been made to feel “unwelcome” in the SNP by the MSP.
Mr Murray, who is Scotland’s only transgender councillor, has sent a litany of foul-mouthed tweets to critics online. In one, he said: “No one is erasing lesbians. These are TERFs [trans-exclusionary radical feminists], literally stopping LGBTI progress, to protest something that only exists in their head. They’re making us feel unwelcome at Pride. Horrific. Utter c****.” Another said: “Where’s YOUR f****** solidarity, you transphobic b******?” A third said: “Get to f*** with your mediaeval views, you horrible bigot.”
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/joan-mcalpine-msp-complains-of-abuse-by-councillor-gregor-murray-in-transgender-row-dpzxh89m50 -
I completely agree with you. JC's best chance of power is a PRE Brexit election where Labour offer REF2 and surf in on a tide of Remainer sentiment. Vote Labour. Stop Brexit. That wins.Greenwich_Floater said:Looking at the talks between May and Corbyn today from the Labour side, does anyone else think that if Corbyn were to agree a resolution that say had a CU or even a SM commitment attached to it, that it would be electoral suicide for Labour. Most metropolitan Labour voters are baying for a 2nd ref and I get the impression that the northern Labour leaver contingent don't think that much of JC anyway and he is far from guaranteed their vote in any outcome at the next election. Tories could get themselves a fresh young credible leader (easier said than done) and call an autumn election and wipe out a lot of Labour seats. I suspect Chukka and Heidi would be smiling though, particularly if they can enter some pacts with LD.
I think they lose a post Brexit election, assuming the Tories pull themselves together.0 -
SNP dreams alive and well G, referendum still on the cardsBig_G_NorthWales said:
It was a big moment as the backbenchers cannot put forward their indicative votes including a referendum or revoke. The look on the faces of the TIGS and SNP said it all as they see their dreams disappearpaulyork64 said:I thought May wanted indicative votes on Monday in case she and Jez couldnt come up with something. or does she not want them controlled by backbenchers.
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Looks like brave may happenIanB2 said:
I would expect a PV could still be moved as an amendment to the eventual motion. And that assumes Corbyn is willing to take the risk of dropping it in any agreement with May. Which would be *brave*.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It was a big moment as the backbenchers cannot put forward their indicative votes including a referendum or revoke. The look on the faces of the TIGS and SNP said it all as they see their dreams disappearpaulyork64 said:I thought May wanted indicative votes on Monday in case she and Jez couldnt come up with something. or does she not want them controlled by backbenchers.
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Letwin might have spoken to Benn to incorporate his amendment into the Business Motion.solarflare said:
Of course it's Benn from Labour and Letwin from the Conservatives who are the main driving force behind the indicative votes.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It was a big moment as the backbenchers cannot put forward their indicative votes including a referendum or revoke. The look on the faces of the TIGS and SNP said it all as they see their dreams disappearpaulyork64 said:I thought May wanted indicative votes on Monday in case she and Jez couldnt come up with something. or does she not want them controlled by backbenchers.
The IV process was the right thing to try but they screwed it up by not having a process to produce a more decisive result in the second round of them. They missed their shot, essentially.0 -
Except most marginal seats voted Leave not Remain.kinabalu said:
I completely agree with you. JC's best chance of power is a PRE Brexit election where Labour offer REF2 and surf in on a tide of Remainer sentiment. Vote Labour. Stop Brexit. That wins.Greenwich_Floater said:Looking at the talks between May and Corbyn today from the Labour side, does anyone else think that if Corbyn were to agree a resolution that say had a CU or even a SM commitment attached to it, that it would be electoral suicide for Labour. Most metropolitan Labour voters are baying for a 2nd ref and I get the impression that the northern Labour leaver contingent don't think that much of JC anyway and he is far from guaranteed their vote in any outcome at the next election. Tories could get themselves a fresh young credible leader (easier said than done) and call an autumn election and wipe out a lot of Labour seats. I suspect Chukka and Heidi would be smiling though, particularly if they can enter some pacts with LD.
I think they lose a post Brexit election, assuming the Tories pull themselves together.
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will even radio waves get stuck in the queue on the M20.Scott_P said:0 -
Not any more.HYUFD said:
Except most marginal seats voted Leave not Remain.kinabalu said:
I completely agree with you. JC's best chance of power is a PRE Brexit election where Labour offer REF2 and surf in on a tide of Remainer sentiment. Vote Labour. Stop Brexit. That wins.Greenwich_Floater said:Looking at the talks between May and Corbyn today from the Labour side, does anyone else think that if Corbyn were to agree a resolution that say had a CU or even a SM commitment attached to it, that it would be electoral suicide for Labour. Most metropolitan Labour voters are baying for a 2nd ref and I get the impression that the northern Labour leaver contingent don't think that much of JC anyway and he is far from guaranteed their vote in any outcome at the next election. Tories could get themselves a fresh young credible leader (easier said than done) and call an autumn election and wipe out a lot of Labour seats. I suspect Chukka and Heidi would be smiling though, particularly if they can enter some pacts with LD.
I think they lose a post Brexit election, assuming the Tories pull themselves together.
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If May and Corbyn weren’t having talks the IV vote would have gone through .
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I suppose it makes sense that we wouldn't get through this whole parliamentary mess without an actual tie to consider. I'm not opposed to IVs, but Bercow gace a clear reason for his decision.0
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thanks. and to IanB2 also.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It was a big moment as the backbenchers cannot put forward their indicative votes including a referendum or revoke. The look on the faces of the TIGS and SNP said it all as they see their dreams disappearpaulyork64 said:I thought May wanted indicative votes on Monday in case she and Jez couldnt come up with something. or does she not want them controlled by backbenchers.
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Not one poll has Corbyn getting a majority without the SNPIanB2 said:
Not any more.HYUFD said:
Except most marginal seats voted Leave not Remain.kinabalu said:
I completely agree with you. JC's best chance of power is a PRE Brexit election where Labour offer REF2 and surf in on a tide of Remainer sentiment. Vote Labour. Stop Brexit. That wins.Greenwich_Floater said:Looking at the talks between May and Corbyn today from the Labour side, does anyone else think that if Corbyn were to agree a resolution that say had a CU or even a SM commitment attached to it, that it would be electoral suicide for Labour. Most metropolitan Labour voters are baying for a 2nd ref and I get the impression that the northern Labour leaver contingent don't think that much of JC anyway and he is far from guaranteed their vote in any outcome at the next election. Tories could get themselves a fresh young credible leader (easier said than done) and call an autumn election and wipe out a lot of Labour seats. I suspect Chukka and Heidi would be smiling though, particularly if they can enter some pacts with LD.
I think they lose a post Brexit election, assuming the Tories pull themselves together.
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I know you hope for it Malc, but after all this chaos not sure your fellow Scots will want to go down that route again in the near future.malcolmg said:
SNP dreams alive and well G, referendum still on the cardsBig_G_NorthWales said:
It was a big moment as the backbenchers cannot put forward their indicative votes including a referendum or revoke. The look on the faces of the TIGS and SNP said it all as they see their dreams disappearpaulyork64 said:I thought May wanted indicative votes on Monday in case she and Jez couldnt come up with something. or does she not want them controlled by backbenchers.
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Murray sounds like a candidate for a free transfer.TheScreamingEagles said:Two SNP politicians are locked in an “abuse” battle on Twitter after making tit-for-tat complaints about each other in a row over transgender rights.
Gregor Murray, a councillor in Dundee, told Joan McAlpine, the chairwoman of Holyrood’s equalities committee, that she “lacks the necessary brain cells” to be an MSP.
Ms McAlpine, 57, has launched an internal party grievance against the councillor, who objects to being referred to with the pronoun “he” and claims to have been made to feel “unwelcome” in the SNP by the MSP.
Mr Murray, who is Scotland’s only transgender councillor, has sent a litany of foul-mouthed tweets to critics online. In one, he said: “No one is erasing lesbians. These are TERFs [trans-exclusionary radical feminists], literally stopping LGBTI progress, to protest something that only exists in their head. They’re making us feel unwelcome at Pride. Horrific. Utter c****.” Another said: “Where’s YOUR f****** solidarity, you transphobic b******?” A third said: “Get to f*** with your mediaeval views, you horrible bigot.”
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/joan-mcalpine-msp-complains-of-abuse-by-councillor-gregor-murray-in-transgender-row-dpzxh89m50 -
Not any more are most marginal seats Leave.HYUFD said:
Not one poll has Corbyn getting a majority without the SNPIanB2 said:
Not any more.HYUFD said:
Except most marginal seats voted Leave not Remain.kinabalu said:
I completely agree with you. JC's best chance of power is a PRE Brexit election where Labour offer REF2 and surf in on a tide of Remainer sentiment. Vote Labour. Stop Brexit. That wins.Greenwich_Floater said:Looking at the talks between May and Corbyn today from the Labour side, does anyone else think that if Corbyn were to agree a resolution that say had a CU or even a SM commitment attached to it, that it would be electoral suicide for Labour. Most metropolitan Labour voters are baying for a 2nd ref and I get the impression that the northern Labour leaver contingent don't think that much of JC anyway and he is far from guaranteed their vote in any outcome at the next election. Tories could get themselves a fresh young credible leader (easier said than done) and call an autumn election and wipe out a lot of Labour seats. I suspect Chukka and Heidi would be smiling though, particularly if they can enter some pacts with LD.
I think they lose a post Brexit election, assuming the Tories pull themselves together.
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Trans - it's the way to go.TheScreamingEagles said:Two SNP politicians are locked in an “abuse” battle on Twitter after making tit-for-tat complaints about each other in a row over transgender rights.
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Wrong, 9/10 Of the most marginal Tory seats from Labour voted Leave.IanB2 said:
Not any more are most marginal seats Leave.HYUFD said:
Not one poll has Corbyn getting a majority without the SNPIanB2 said:
Not any more.HYUFD said:
Except most marginal seats voted Leave not Remain.kinabalu said:
I completely agree with you. JC's best chance of power is a PRE Brexit election where Labour offer REF2 and surf in on a tide of Remainer sentiment. Vote Labour. Stop Brexit. That wins.Greenwich_Floater said:Looking at the talks between May and Corbyn today from the Labour side, does anyone else think that if Corbyn were to agree a resolution that say had a CU or even a SM commitment attached to it, that it would be electoral suicide for Labour. Most metropolitan Labour voters are baying for a 2nd ref and I get the impression that the northern Labour leaver contingent don't think that much of JC anyway and he is far from guaranteed their vote in any outcome at the next election. Tories could get themselves a fresh young credible leader (easier said than done) and call an autumn election and wipe out a lot of Labour seats. I suspect Chukka and Heidi would be smiling though, particularly if they can enter some pacts with LD.
I think they lose a post Brexit election, assuming the Tories pull themselves together.
If they do it will be reliant on the SNP
http://www.electionpolling.co.uk/battleground/targets/labour
Indeed Yougov had Leave with No Deal 2% ahead of Remain this week if the EU refused an extension UK wide with No Deal on 44% and Revoke and Remain on 42%. If an extension was granted beyond April 12th 11% supported that, 40% Leave with No Deal and 36% Remain and revoke Article 50
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/04/02/what-do-public-think-might-break-brexit-deadlock0 -
To avoid a second referendum, EU elections, big delay and ultimately no Brexit, May will have to give Corbyn everything else he asks for.
Prepare for an Andrex Brexit.0 -
Agree. It is a sensible decision for now.nico67 said:If May and Corbyn weren’t having talks the IV vote would have gone through .
Bercow has been completely fair on this issue .0 -
More union backing for a second referendum.
https://twitter.com/unisontweets/status/11134755889107353620 -
Andrexit?SandyRentool said:To avoid a second referendum, EU elections, big delay and ultimately no Brexit, May will have to give Corbyn everything else he asks for.
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They's a right charmer.Sean_F said:
Murray sounds like a candidate for a free transfer.TheScreamingEagles said:Two SNP politicians are locked in an “abuse” battle on Twitter after making tit-for-tat complaints about each other in a row over transgender rights.
Gregor Murray, a councillor in Dundee, told Joan McAlpine, the chairwoman of Holyrood’s equalities committee, that she “lacks the necessary brain cells” to be an MSP.
Ms McAlpine, 57, has launched an internal party grievance against the councillor, who objects to being referred to with the pronoun “he” and claims to have been made to feel “unwelcome” in the SNP by the MSP.
Mr Murray, who is Scotland’s only transgender councillor, has sent a litany of foul-mouthed tweets to critics online. In one, he said: “No one is erasing lesbians. These are TERFs [trans-exclusionary radical feminists], literally stopping LGBTI progress, to protest something that only exists in their head. They’re making us feel unwelcome at Pride. Horrific. Utter c****.” Another said: “Where’s YOUR f****** solidarity, you transphobic b******?” A third said: “Get to f*** with your mediaeval views, you horrible bigot.”
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/joan-mcalpine-msp-complains-of-abuse-by-councillor-gregor-murray-in-transgender-row-dpzxh89m5
https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/local/dundee/862183/dundee-councillor-to-be-hauled-before-watchdog-accused-of-insulting-and-offensive-language-towards-public/0 -
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14 Tories voted for Benn, 9 Labour against.0
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If only @Tissue_Price had posted that!SandyRentool said:To avoid a second referendum, EU elections, big delay and ultimately no Brexit, May will have to give Corbyn everything else he asks for.
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Motion passed by 1!0
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He is an absolute divvyTheScreamingEagles said:Two SNP politicians are locked in an “abuse” battle on Twitter after making tit-for-tat complaints about each other in a row over transgender rights.
Gregor Murray, a councillor in Dundee, told Joan McAlpine, the chairwoman of Holyrood’s equalities committee, that she “lacks the necessary brain cells” to be an MSP.
Ms McAlpine, 57, has launched an internal party grievance against the councillor, who objects to being referred to with the pronoun “he” and claims to have been made to feel “unwelcome” in the SNP by the MSP.
Mr Murray, who is Scotland’s only transgender councillor, has sent a litany of foul-mouthed tweets to critics online. In one, he said: “No one is erasing lesbians. These are TERFs [trans-exclusionary radical feminists], literally stopping LGBTI progress, to protest something that only exists in their head. They’re making us feel unwelcome at Pride. Horrific. Utter c****.” Another said: “Where’s YOUR f****** solidarity, you transphobic b******?” A third said: “Get to f*** with your mediaeval views, you horrible bigot.”
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/joan-mcalpine-msp-complains-of-abuse-by-councillor-gregor-murray-in-transgender-row-dpzxh89m50 -
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