Virtually all of the Uks avocados are imported from Mexico, the US and ISRAEL.
No impact from a hard brexit.
That's a shame as I hate avocados, and generally only eat the ghastly things to be polite.
Have you perhaps made the elementary mistake of believing supermarkets who claim their avocados are ripe and ready to eat?
I can honestly say I have never eaten any avocado I liked, whether at home, with friends, family, or in a restaurant. There are very few things I dislike eating, avocado is one of the few.
Virtually all of the Uks avocados are imported from Mexico, the US and ISRAEL.
No impact from a hard brexit.
That's a shame as I hate avocados, and generally only eat the ghastly things to be polite.
Have you perhaps made the elementary mistake of believing supermarkets who claim their avocados are ripe and ready to eat?
I can honestly say I have never eaten any avocado I liked, whether at home, with friends, family, or in a restaurant. There are very few things I dislike eating, avocado is one of the few.
Virtually all of the Uks avocados are imported from Mexico, the US and ISRAEL.
No impact from a hard brexit.
That's a shame as I hate avocados, and generally only eat the ghastly things to be polite.
Have you perhaps made the elementary mistake of believing supermarkets who claim their avocados are ripe and ready to eat?
I can honestly say I have never eaten any avocado I liked, whether at home, with friends, family, or in a restaurant. There are very few things I dislike eating, avocado is one of the few.
My mother once tried to smuggle two packets of biscuits into the United States, then unwisely tried to argue with the customs official when he confiscated them.
I suppose the important questions is...what type of biscuits? Some would be worth arguing for more than others!
They always try making out they are middle of the road Tories when they are not. Mike Penning tried the same rouse saying he was middle of the road on Europe when he had been the whipless Tories spokesperson in the 1990s. Middle of the road my arse!
CHH is probably close to the median Conservative voter.
Based on what evidence?
Based on the polling which suggest:-
1. 70-75% of Conservatives want to Leave the EU 2. 60% now support May's Deal.
Pro-EU Conservatives are now untypical, but most are not fanatics like Francois and Cope.
I think you have to delineate between those who see Europe as the most important issue in their life (Bill Cash) and those who frankly give much less of a ****
Virtually all of the Uks avocados are imported from Mexico, the US and ISRAEL.
No impact from a hard brexit.
That's a shame as I hate avocados, and generally only eat the ghastly things to be polite.
Have you perhaps made the elementary mistake of believing supermarkets who claim their avocados are ripe and ready to eat?
I can honestly say I have never eaten any avocado I liked, whether at home, with friends, family, or in a restaurant. There are very few things I dislike eating, avocado is one of the few.
My mother once tried to smuggle two packets of biscuits into the United States, then unwisely tried to argue with the customs official when he confiscated them.
I suppose the important questions is...what type of biscuits? Some would be worth arguing for more than others!
You'll take my chocolate hobnobs when you take my life!
Virtually all of the Uks avocados are imported from Mexico, the US and ISRAEL.
No impact from a hard brexit.
That's a shame as I hate avocados, and generally only eat the ghastly things to be polite.
Have you perhaps made the elementary mistake of believing supermarkets who claim their avocados are ripe and ready to eat?
I can honestly say I have never eaten any avocado I liked, whether at home, with friends, family, or in a restaurant. There are very few things I dislike eating, avocado is one of the few.
Virtually all of the Uks avocados are imported from Mexico, the US and ISRAEL.
No impact from a hard brexit.
That's a shame as I hate avocados, and generally only eat the ghastly things to be polite.
Have you perhaps made the elementary mistake of believing supermarkets who claim their avocados are ripe and ready to eat?
I can honestly say I have never eaten any avocado I liked, whether at home, with friends, family, or in a restaurant. There are very few things I dislike eating, avocado is one of the few.
You can't whitewash massive strategic mistakes on the basis that it would have been a great plan if only the electorate had played along.
Nor can you use the benefit of hindsight to call it a 'massive strategic mistake'. I'm not even sure that there was any choice in the matter. Your comments make sense only if you ignore the huge opposition to our membership of the EU which had built up over decades.
Very late to the thread, but are we expecting, then, that a more-or-less complete reversal of the 2016 result is going to result in all that huge opposition withering away? Isn't it more likely that it will just be submerged again until something (a successful partition for Scotland, say) brings it all out again?
Virtually all of the Uks avocados are imported from Mexico, the US and ISRAEL.
No impact from a hard brexit.
That's a shame as I hate avocados, and generally only eat the ghastly things to be polite.
Have you perhaps made the elementary mistake of believing supermarkets who claim their avocados are ripe and ready to eat?
I can honestly say I have never eaten any avocado I liked, whether at home, with friends, family, or in a restaurant. There are very few things I dislike eating, avocado is one of the few.
To be fair there are usually rules on taking good products into other countries. I’m surprised that loads of people are carrying sacks if Cornish pasties
Virtually all of the Uks avocados are imported from Mexico, the US and ISRAEL.
No impact from a hard brexit.
That's a shame as I hate avocados, and generally only eat the ghastly things to be polite.
Have you perhaps made the elementary mistake of believing supermarkets who claim their avocados are ripe and ready to eat?
I can honestly say I have never eaten any avocado I liked, whether at home, with friends, family, or in a restaurant. There are very few things I dislike eating, avocado is one of the few.
My mother once tried to smuggle two packets of biscuits into the United States, then unwisely tried to argue with the customs official when he confiscated them.
Virtually all of the Uks avocados are imported from Mexico, the US and ISRAEL.
No impact from a hard brexit.
That's a shame as I hate avocados, and generally only eat the ghastly things to be polite.
Have you perhaps made the elementary mistake of believing supermarkets who claim their avocados are ripe and ready to eat?
I can honestly say I have never eaten any avocado I liked, whether at home, with friends, family, or in a restaurant. There are very few things I dislike eating, avocado is one of the few.
Virtually all of the Uks avocados are imported from Mexico, the US and ISRAEL.
No impact from a hard brexit.
That's a shame as I hate avocados, and generally only eat the ghastly things to be polite.
Have you perhaps made the elementary mistake of believing supermarkets who claim their avocados are ripe and ready to eat?
I can honestly say I have never eaten any avocado I liked, whether at home, with friends, family, or in a restaurant. There are very few things I dislike eating, avocado is one of the few.
Bet Bercow casts his decider for the motion if it comes to that.
That would probably be the correct thing to do, since the convention is that the Speaker should vote in favour of allowing further discussion and avoid closing off options.
Virtually all of the Uks avocados are imported from Mexico, the US and ISRAEL.
No impact from a hard brexit.
That's a shame as I hate avocados, and generally only eat the ghastly things to be polite.
Have you perhaps made the elementary mistake of believing supermarkets who claim their avocados are ripe and ready to eat?
I can honestly say I have never eaten any avocado I liked, whether at home, with friends, family, or in a restaurant. There are very few things I dislike eating, avocado is one of the few.
Bet Bercow casts his decider for the motion if it comes to that.
That would probably be the correct thing to do, since the convention is that the Speaker should vote in favour of allowing further discussion and avoid closing off options.
But this is an amendment to the motion, not the motion itself. He shouldn’t have a decider. If not passed, the amendment falls surely. That’ll be what they are working through I guess.
Long extension looks nailed on, because it enables enough waverers to punt any decision further down the field. May is desperate for a deal to pass right now, and is clearly willing to pay a big price to do so, but there may not be enough willing to name their price for that.
Yes, she just HAS to get the Withdrawal Agreement passed. If she can do that, under whatever circumstances, she has a legacy. She will have delivered Brexit. If she fails she will have nothing, nothing at all, to show for her premiership. That must hurt deeply on a personal level, and is there any other level apart from the personal when all is said and done? Not really.
Corbyn is thus in an enormously powerful position right now, something which I am sure he realizes. The trouble is, Labour's Brexit policy is essentially the same as hers, therefore simply getting her to accept that would not be much of a victory. Given his leverage, it would hardly be a victory at all. It would be letting her off the hook.
So he will surely ask for more than that. Abolition of tuition fees and nationalizing the trains springs to mind. That would broaden the debate somewhat and would certainly put the cat amongst the pigeons!
Bet Bercow casts his decider for the motion if it comes to that.
That would probably be the correct thing to do, since the convention is that the Speaker should vote in favour of allowing further discussion and avoid closing off options.
But this is an amendment to the motion, not the motion itself. He shouldn’t have a decider. If not passed, the amendment falls surely. That’ll be what they are working through I guess.
Arguable either way I guess. This is a VERY unusual circumstance.
Looking at the talks between May and Corbyn today from the Labour side, does anyone else think that if Corbyn were to agree a resolution that say had a CU or even a SM commitment attached to it, that it would be electoral suicide for Labour. Most metropolitan Labour voters are baying for a 2nd ref and I get the impression that the northern Labour leaver contingent don't think that much of JC anyway and he is far from guaranteed their vote in any outcome at the next election. Tories could get themselves a fresh young credible leader (easier said than done) and call an autumn election and wipe out a lot of Labour seats. I suspect Chukka and Heidi would be smiling though, particularly if they can enter some pacts with LD.
Long extension looks nailed on, because it enables enough waverers to punt any decision further down the field. May is desperate for a deal to pass right now, and is clearly willing to pay a big price to do so, but there may not be enough willing to name their price for that.
Yes, she just HAS to get the Withdrawal Agreement passed. If she can do that, under whatever circumstances, she has a legacy. She will have delivered Brexit. If she fails she will have nothing, nothing at all, to show for her premiership. That must hurt deeply on a personal level, and is there any other level apart from the personal when all is said and done? Not really.
Corbyn is thus in an enormously powerful position right now, something which I am sure he realizes. The trouble is, Labour's Brexit policy is essentially the same as hers, therefore simply getting her to accept that would not be much of a victory. Given his leverage, it would hardly be a victory at all. It would be letting her off the hook.
So he will surely ask for more than that. Abolition of tuition fees and nationalizing the trains springs to mind. That would broaden the debate somewhat and would certainly put the cat amongst the pigeons!
Bet Bercow casts his decider for the motion if it comes to that.
That would probably be the correct thing to do, since the convention is that the Speaker should vote in favour of allowing further discussion and avoid closing off options.
But this is an amendment to the motion, not the motion itself. He shouldn’t have a decider. If not passed, the amendment falls surely. That’ll be what they are working through I guess.
Arguable either way I guess. This is a VERY unusual circumstance.
His explanation just then was actually reasonable and cogent. I am surprised again.
Bet Bercow casts his decider for the motion if it comes to that.
That would probably be the correct thing to do, since the convention is that the Speaker should vote in favour of allowing further discussion and avoid closing off options.
But this is an amendment to the motion, not the motion itself. He shouldn’t have a decider. If not passed, the amendment falls surely. That’ll be what they are working through I guess.
Arguable either way I guess. This is a VERY unusual circumstance.
His explanation just then was actually reasonable and cogent. I am surprised again.
Looking at the talks between May and Corbyn today from the Labour side, does anyone else think that if Corbyn were to agree a resolution that say had a CU or even a SM commitment attached to it, that it would be electoral suicide for Labour. Most metropolitan Labour voters are baying for a 2nd ref and I get the impression that the northern Labour leaver contingent don't think that much of JC anyway and he is far from guaranteed their vote in any outcome at the next election. Tories could get themselves a fresh young credible leader (easier said than done) and call an autumn election and wipe out a lot of Labour seats. I suspect Chukka and Heidi would be smiling though, particularly if they can enter some pacts with LD.
Under FPTP revoking Article 50 or 2nd ref and Remain could actually be suicide for Labour given most Tory and Labour marginal seats voted Leave and Labour Remain voters tend to be concentrated in ultra safe inner city seats.
In any case Deltapoll at the weekend had both Tory and Labour voters backing the Deal plus Customs Union even if Tory voters backed it less than No Deal and Labour voters backed it less than revoke or EUref2
Looking at the talks between May and Corbyn today from the Labour side, does anyone else think that if Corbyn were to agree a resolution that say had a CU or even a SM commitment attached to it, that it would be electoral suicide for Labour. Most metropolitan Labour voters are baying for a 2nd ref and I get the impression that the northern Labour leaver contingent don't think that much of JC anyway and he is far from guaranteed their vote in any outcome at the next election. Tories could get themselves a fresh young credible leader (easier said than done) and call an autumn election and wipe out a lot of Labour seats. I suspect Chukka and Heidi would be smiling though, particularly if they can enter some pacts with LD.
Total opposition to Brexit would please lots of people on the left, but would also keep right wing voters and the DUP on board with the Tories. Passing the WA with conditions could break them up.
I thought May wanted indicative votes on Monday in case she and Jez couldnt come up with something. or does she not want them controlled by backbenchers.
Long extension looks nailed on, because it enables enough waverers to punt any decision further down the field. May is desperate for a deal to pass right now, and is clearly willing to pay a big price to do so, but there may not be enough willing to name their price for that.
Yes, she just HAS to get the Withdrawal Agreement passed. If she can do that, under whatever circumstances, she has a legacy. She will have delivered Brexit. If she fails she will have nothing, nothing at all, to show for her premiership. That must hurt deeply on a personal level, and is there any other level apart from the personal when all is said and done? Not really.
I really don't buy into the idea that May is now desperate to get the Withdrawal Agreement passed. She just needs for it not to be obviously her fault that we head into the European elections.
If at the end of this we never leave, May will have pulled off a seemingly impossible political feat, which even if it was not her intention, will make her one of the most noteworthy PMs in history.
I thought May wanted indicative votes on Monday in case she and Jez couldnt come up with something. or does she not want them controlled by backbenchers.
Brilliant decision by Bercow, he really has come into his own recently. An excellent speaker , almost getting to the level of the best , Lord Tonypandy. He will never get there but doing a great job.
Of course it is. If the Commons does not, between now and next Tuesday, vote either (a) to pass the Deal or (b) find a sustainable majority for a softer form of Brexit that the EU27 would be interested in negotiating, then the only options left will then be Hard Brexit or Revocation.
Time is all but up, and there's still no sign of a Parliamentary majority for any solution.
It will likely be Deal plus Customs Union now or we contest the European Parliament elections and stay in the EU indefinitely.
May has made clear now she will not allow No Deal unless the Commons votes for it and the EU will want to avoid No Deal unless the UK decides to pursue it
I thought May wanted indicative votes on Monday in case she and Jez couldnt come up with something. or does she not want them controlled by backbenchers.
It was a big moment as the backbenchers cannot put forward their indicative votes including a referendum or revoke. The look on the faces of the TIGS and SNP said it all as they see their dreams disappear
It's a very strange situation because this isn't a government motion. You could argue that Sir Oliver Letwin is playing the normal role of the government, and I believe he accepted the Benn amendment. So perhaps that would suggest that Bercow should have voted for it.
I thought May wanted indicative votes on Monday in case she and Jez couldnt come up with something. or does she not want them controlled by backbenchers.
It was a big moment as the backbenchers cannot put forward their indicative votes including a referendum or revoke. The look on the faces of the TIGS and SNP said it all as they see their dreams disappear
I would expect a PV could still be moved as an amendment to the eventual motion. And that assumes Corbyn is willing to take the risk of dropping it in any agreement with May. Which would be *brave*.
The rumours are in any case that May is willing to put Revoke on the table.
I thought May wanted indicative votes on Monday in case she and Jez couldnt come up with something. or does she not want them controlled by backbenchers.
It was a big moment as the backbenchers cannot put forward their indicative votes including a referendum or revoke. The look on the faces of the TIGS and SNP said it all as they see their dreams disappear
Of course it's Benn from Labour and Letwin from the Conservatives who are the main driving force behind the indicative votes.
The IV process was the right thing to try but they screwed it up by not having a process to produce a more decisive result in the second round of them. They missed their shot, essentially.
Two SNP politicians are locked in an “abuse” battle on Twitter after making tit-for-tat complaints about each other in a row over transgender rights.
Gregor Murray, a councillor in Dundee, told Joan McAlpine, the chairwoman of Holyrood’s equalities committee, that she “lacks the necessary brain cells” to be an MSP.
Ms McAlpine, 57, has launched an internal party grievance against the councillor, who objects to being referred to with the pronoun “he” and claims to have been made to feel “unwelcome” in the SNP by the MSP.
Mr Murray, who is Scotland’s only transgender councillor, has sent a litany of foul-mouthed tweets to critics online. In one, he said: “No one is erasing lesbians. These are TERFs [trans-exclusionary radical feminists], literally stopping LGBTI progress, to protest something that only exists in their head. They’re making us feel unwelcome at Pride. Horrific. Utter c****.” Another said: “Where’s YOUR f****** solidarity, you transphobic b******?” A third said: “Get to f*** with your mediaeval views, you horrible bigot.”
Looking at the talks between May and Corbyn today from the Labour side, does anyone else think that if Corbyn were to agree a resolution that say had a CU or even a SM commitment attached to it, that it would be electoral suicide for Labour. Most metropolitan Labour voters are baying for a 2nd ref and I get the impression that the northern Labour leaver contingent don't think that much of JC anyway and he is far from guaranteed their vote in any outcome at the next election. Tories could get themselves a fresh young credible leader (easier said than done) and call an autumn election and wipe out a lot of Labour seats. I suspect Chukka and Heidi would be smiling though, particularly if they can enter some pacts with LD.
I completely agree with you. JC's best chance of power is a PRE Brexit election where Labour offer REF2 and surf in on a tide of Remainer sentiment. Vote Labour. Stop Brexit. That wins.
I think they lose a post Brexit election, assuming the Tories pull themselves together.
I thought May wanted indicative votes on Monday in case she and Jez couldnt come up with something. or does she not want them controlled by backbenchers.
It was a big moment as the backbenchers cannot put forward their indicative votes including a referendum or revoke. The look on the faces of the TIGS and SNP said it all as they see their dreams disappear
SNP dreams alive and well G, referendum still on the cards
I thought May wanted indicative votes on Monday in case she and Jez couldnt come up with something. or does she not want them controlled by backbenchers.
It was a big moment as the backbenchers cannot put forward their indicative votes including a referendum or revoke. The look on the faces of the TIGS and SNP said it all as they see their dreams disappear
I would expect a PV could still be moved as an amendment to the eventual motion. And that assumes Corbyn is willing to take the risk of dropping it in any agreement with May. Which would be *brave*.
I thought May wanted indicative votes on Monday in case she and Jez couldnt come up with something. or does she not want them controlled by backbenchers.
It was a big moment as the backbenchers cannot put forward their indicative votes including a referendum or revoke. The look on the faces of the TIGS and SNP said it all as they see their dreams disappear
Of course it's Benn from Labour and Letwin from the Conservatives who are the main driving force behind the indicative votes.
The IV process was the right thing to try but they screwed it up by not having a process to produce a more decisive result in the second round of them. They missed their shot, essentially.
Letwin might have spoken to Benn to incorporate his amendment into the Business Motion.
Looking at the talks between May and Corbyn today from the Labour side, does anyone else think that if Corbyn were to agree a resolution that say had a CU or even a SM commitment attached to it, that it would be electoral suicide for Labour. Most metropolitan Labour voters are baying for a 2nd ref and I get the impression that the northern Labour leaver contingent don't think that much of JC anyway and he is far from guaranteed their vote in any outcome at the next election. Tories could get themselves a fresh young credible leader (easier said than done) and call an autumn election and wipe out a lot of Labour seats. I suspect Chukka and Heidi would be smiling though, particularly if they can enter some pacts with LD.
I completely agree with you. JC's best chance of power is a PRE Brexit election where Labour offer REF2 and surf in on a tide of Remainer sentiment. Vote Labour. Stop Brexit. That wins.
I think they lose a post Brexit election, assuming the Tories pull themselves together.
Except most marginal seats voted Leave not Remain.
Looking at the talks between May and Corbyn today from the Labour side, does anyone else think that if Corbyn were to agree a resolution that say had a CU or even a SM commitment attached to it, that it would be electoral suicide for Labour. Most metropolitan Labour voters are baying for a 2nd ref and I get the impression that the northern Labour leaver contingent don't think that much of JC anyway and he is far from guaranteed their vote in any outcome at the next election. Tories could get themselves a fresh young credible leader (easier said than done) and call an autumn election and wipe out a lot of Labour seats. I suspect Chukka and Heidi would be smiling though, particularly if they can enter some pacts with LD.
I completely agree with you. JC's best chance of power is a PRE Brexit election where Labour offer REF2 and surf in on a tide of Remainer sentiment. Vote Labour. Stop Brexit. That wins.
I think they lose a post Brexit election, assuming the Tories pull themselves together.
Except most marginal seats voted Leave not Remain.
I suppose it makes sense that we wouldn't get through this whole parliamentary mess without an actual tie to consider. I'm not opposed to IVs, but Bercow gace a clear reason for his decision.
I thought May wanted indicative votes on Monday in case she and Jez couldnt come up with something. or does she not want them controlled by backbenchers.
It was a big moment as the backbenchers cannot put forward their indicative votes including a referendum or revoke. The look on the faces of the TIGS and SNP said it all as they see their dreams disappear
Looking at the talks between May and Corbyn today from the Labour side, does anyone else think that if Corbyn were to agree a resolution that say had a CU or even a SM commitment attached to it, that it would be electoral suicide for Labour. Most metropolitan Labour voters are baying for a 2nd ref and I get the impression that the northern Labour leaver contingent don't think that much of JC anyway and he is far from guaranteed their vote in any outcome at the next election. Tories could get themselves a fresh young credible leader (easier said than done) and call an autumn election and wipe out a lot of Labour seats. I suspect Chukka and Heidi would be smiling though, particularly if they can enter some pacts with LD.
I completely agree with you. JC's best chance of power is a PRE Brexit election where Labour offer REF2 and surf in on a tide of Remainer sentiment. Vote Labour. Stop Brexit. That wins.
I think they lose a post Brexit election, assuming the Tories pull themselves together.
Except most marginal seats voted Leave not Remain.
If they do it will be reliant on the SNP
Not any more.
Not one poll has Corbyn getting a majority without the SNP
I thought May wanted indicative votes on Monday in case she and Jez couldnt come up with something. or does she not want them controlled by backbenchers.
It was a big moment as the backbenchers cannot put forward their indicative votes including a referendum or revoke. The look on the faces of the TIGS and SNP said it all as they see their dreams disappear
SNP dreams alive and well G, referendum still on the cards
I know you hope for it Malc, but after all this chaos not sure your fellow Scots will want to go down that route again in the near future.
Two SNP politicians are locked in an “abuse” battle on Twitter after making tit-for-tat complaints about each other in a row over transgender rights.
Gregor Murray, a councillor in Dundee, told Joan McAlpine, the chairwoman of Holyrood’s equalities committee, that she “lacks the necessary brain cells” to be an MSP.
Ms McAlpine, 57, has launched an internal party grievance against the councillor, who objects to being referred to with the pronoun “he” and claims to have been made to feel “unwelcome” in the SNP by the MSP.
Mr Murray, who is Scotland’s only transgender councillor, has sent a litany of foul-mouthed tweets to critics online. In one, he said: “No one is erasing lesbians. These are TERFs [trans-exclusionary radical feminists], literally stopping LGBTI progress, to protest something that only exists in their head. They’re making us feel unwelcome at Pride. Horrific. Utter c****.” Another said: “Where’s YOUR f****** solidarity, you transphobic b******?” A third said: “Get to f*** with your mediaeval views, you horrible bigot.”
Looking at the talks between May and Corbyn today from the Labour side, does anyone else think that if Corbyn were to agree a resolution that say had a CU or even a SM commitment attached to it, that it would be electoral suicide for Labour. Most metropolitan Labour voters are baying for a 2nd ref and I get the impression that the northern Labour leaver contingent don't think that much of JC anyway and he is far from guaranteed their vote in any outcome at the next election. Tories could get themselves a fresh young credible leader (easier said than done) and call an autumn election and wipe out a lot of Labour seats. I suspect Chukka and Heidi would be smiling though, particularly if they can enter some pacts with LD.
I completely agree with you. JC's best chance of power is a PRE Brexit election where Labour offer REF2 and surf in on a tide of Remainer sentiment. Vote Labour. Stop Brexit. That wins.
I think they lose a post Brexit election, assuming the Tories pull themselves together.
Except most marginal seats voted Leave not Remain.
If they do it will be reliant on the SNP
Not any more.
Not one poll has Corbyn getting a majority without the SNP
Looking at the talks between May and Corbyn today from the Labour side, does anyone else think that if Corbyn were to agree a resolution that say had a CU or even a SM commitment attached to it, that it would be electoral suicide for Labour. Most metropolitan Labour voters are baying for a 2nd ref and I get the impression that the northern Labour leaver contingent don't think that much of JC anyway and he is far from guaranteed their vote in any outcome at the next election. Tories could get themselves a fresh young credible leader (easier said than done) and call an autumn election and wipe out a lot of Labour seats. I suspect Chukka and Heidi would be smiling though, particularly if they can enter some pacts with LD.
I completely agree with you. JC's best chance of power is a PRE Brexit election where Labour offer REF2 and surf in on a tide of Remainer sentiment. Vote Labour. Stop Brexit. That wins.
I think they lose a post Brexit election, assuming the Tories pull themselves together.
Except most marginal seats voted Leave not Remain.
If they do it will be reliant on the SNP
Not any more.
Not one poll has Corbyn getting a majority without the SNP
Not any more are most marginal seats Leave.
Wrong, 9/10 Of the most marginal Tory seats from Labour voted Leave.
Indeed Yougov had Leave with No Deal 2% ahead of Remain this week if the EU refused an extension UK wide with No Deal on 44% and Revoke and Remain on 42%. If an extension was granted beyond April 12th 11% supported that, 40% Leave with No Deal and 36% Remain and revoke Article 50
Two SNP politicians are locked in an “abuse” battle on Twitter after making tit-for-tat complaints about each other in a row over transgender rights.
Gregor Murray, a councillor in Dundee, told Joan McAlpine, the chairwoman of Holyrood’s equalities committee, that she “lacks the necessary brain cells” to be an MSP.
Ms McAlpine, 57, has launched an internal party grievance against the councillor, who objects to being referred to with the pronoun “he” and claims to have been made to feel “unwelcome” in the SNP by the MSP.
Mr Murray, who is Scotland’s only transgender councillor, has sent a litany of foul-mouthed tweets to critics online. In one, he said: “No one is erasing lesbians. These are TERFs [trans-exclusionary radical feminists], literally stopping LGBTI progress, to protest something that only exists in their head. They’re making us feel unwelcome at Pride. Horrific. Utter c****.” Another said: “Where’s YOUR f****** solidarity, you transphobic b******?” A third said: “Get to f*** with your mediaeval views, you horrible bigot.”
Two SNP politicians are locked in an “abuse” battle on Twitter after making tit-for-tat complaints about each other in a row over transgender rights.
Gregor Murray, a councillor in Dundee, told Joan McAlpine, the chairwoman of Holyrood’s equalities committee, that she “lacks the necessary brain cells” to be an MSP.
Ms McAlpine, 57, has launched an internal party grievance against the councillor, who objects to being referred to with the pronoun “he” and claims to have been made to feel “unwelcome” in the SNP by the MSP.
Mr Murray, who is Scotland’s only transgender councillor, has sent a litany of foul-mouthed tweets to critics online. In one, he said: “No one is erasing lesbians. These are TERFs [trans-exclusionary radical feminists], literally stopping LGBTI progress, to protest something that only exists in their head. They’re making us feel unwelcome at Pride. Horrific. Utter c****.” Another said: “Where’s YOUR f****** solidarity, you transphobic b******?” A third said: “Get to f*** with your mediaeval views, you horrible bigot.”
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The Speaker has the casting vote.
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Now onto a division on the substantive Programme Motion as not amended. Sensible MPs in all parties v Tory Brexiters.
Corbyn is thus in an enormously powerful position right now, something which I am sure he realizes. The trouble is, Labour's Brexit policy is essentially the same as hers, therefore simply getting her to accept that would not be much of a victory. Given his leverage, it would hardly be a victory at all. It would be letting her off the hook.
So he will surely ask for more than that. Abolition of tuition fees and nationalizing the trains springs to mind. That would broaden the debate somewhat and would certainly put the cat amongst the pigeons!
any screen shots of Bercow's face when the vote was announced?
And possibly a network of State Banks, one in each town serving the local community.
In any case Deltapoll at the weekend had both Tory and Labour voters backing the Deal plus Customs Union even if Tory voters backed it less than No Deal and Labour voters backed it less than revoke or EUref2
If at the end of this we never leave, May will have pulled off a seemingly impossible political feat, which even if it was not her intention, will make her one of the most noteworthy PMs in history.
Important because government controls the agenda
You win some you lose some Remainers need to respect his decision and I’m a Remainer!
May has made clear now she will not allow No Deal unless the Commons votes for it and the EU will want to avoid No Deal unless the UK decides to pursue it
The rumours are in any case that May is willing to put Revoke on the table.
The IV process was the right thing to try but they screwed it up by not having a process to produce a more decisive result in the second round of them. They missed their shot, essentially.
Gregor Murray, a councillor in Dundee, told Joan McAlpine, the chairwoman of Holyrood’s equalities committee, that she “lacks the necessary brain cells” to be an MSP.
Ms McAlpine, 57, has launched an internal party grievance against the councillor, who objects to being referred to with the pronoun “he” and claims to have been made to feel “unwelcome” in the SNP by the MSP.
Mr Murray, who is Scotland’s only transgender councillor, has sent a litany of foul-mouthed tweets to critics online. In one, he said: “No one is erasing lesbians. These are TERFs [trans-exclusionary radical feminists], literally stopping LGBTI progress, to protest something that only exists in their head. They’re making us feel unwelcome at Pride. Horrific. Utter c****.” Another said: “Where’s YOUR f****** solidarity, you transphobic b******?” A third said: “Get to f*** with your mediaeval views, you horrible bigot.”
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/joan-mcalpine-msp-complains-of-abuse-by-councillor-gregor-murray-in-transgender-row-dpzxh89m5
I think they lose a post Brexit election, assuming the Tories pull themselves together.
If they do it will be reliant on the SNP
Bercow has been completely fair on this issue .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=piFQ4AZHosI
http://www.electionpolling.co.uk/battleground/targets/labour
Indeed Yougov had Leave with No Deal 2% ahead of Remain this week if the EU refused an extension UK wide with No Deal on 44% and Revoke and Remain on 42%. If an extension was granted beyond April 12th 11% supported that, 40% Leave with No Deal and 36% Remain and revoke Article 50
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2019/04/02/what-do-public-think-might-break-brexit-deadlock
Prepare for an Andrex Brexit.
https://twitter.com/unisontweets/status/1113475588910735362
https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/local/dundee/862183/dundee-councillor-to-be-hauled-before-watchdog-accused-of-insulting-and-offensive-language-towards-public/
not even close