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I may be but I doubt itXtrain said:
You're deluding yourself if you think this will wash.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Actually I expect the party to recover somewhat as this will be popular with voters and I simply do not care about the UKIP dominated membershipGIN1138 said:
And you can enjoy it in glorious opposition to a Marxist government for the next 20 years...Big_G_NorthWales said:
Tonight we may have got our party backtottenhamWC said:
Let's hope the UKIP entryism of the Tory party is now at an end. Would love to see Francois et al ultimately f*ck off as well....DougSeal said:
Yes. The man who lost the citizens of our capital a net £300,000 by buying unusable water cannon and selling them at a loss would be perfect for negotiating a decent Brexit. If by “decent” you mean ending up in the Single Market, a customs union, the Euro and Schengen while having no say in the running of any of them of coursekjohnw said:
No Michael Gove stabbed the one man who could have negotiated a decent brexit in the back. Theresa May is no leaver never has been , she has by stealth and deception subverted the whole brexit process by fully surrendering to her EU masters. The political establishment has betrayed the voters demand to leave the EU. It was never going to be allowed to happen. The civil service would never allow to leave either.Ishmael_Z said:
I believe you are a Leaver? In which case you did this. Well done.kjohnw said:Prepare for the final economic decline of a once great nation, about to be turned into a Marxist republic under PM Jeremy Corbyn, Hard left socialist / Marxist / communist , and we are going to be undemocratically subservient to a rule making unelected EU who will dictate our tariffs and foreign policy for us with no say in the matter. We are so screwed. I will never ever vote Tory again or anyone for that matter
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Seems quite a long time. How about 10 years? After 9 years of tory led government that makes sense. 9 years is actually not that bad runin recent history, not everyone can last like Blair and Thatcher.GIN1138 said:
And you can enjoy it in glorious opposition to a Marxist government for the next 20 years...Big_G_NorthWales said:
Tonight we may have got our party backtottenhamWC said:
Let's hope the UKIP entryism of the Tory party is now at an end. Would love to see Francois et al ultimately f*ck off as well....DougSeal said:
Yes. The man who lost the citizens of our capital a net £300,000 by buying unusable water cannon and selling them at a loss would be perfect for negotiating a decent Brexit. If by “decent” you mean ending up in the Single Market, a customs union, the Euro and Schengen while having no say in the running of any of them of coursekjohnw said:
No Michael Gove stabbed the one man who could have negotiated a decent brexit in the back. Theresa May is no leaver never has been , she has by stealth and deception subverted the whole brexit process by fully surrendering to her EU masters. The political establishment has betrayed the voters demand to leave the EU. It was never going to be allowed to happen. The civil service would never allow to leave either.Ishmael_Z said:
I believe you are a Leaver? In which case you did this. Well done.kjohnw said:Prepare for the final economic decline of a once great nation, about to be turned into a Marxist republic under PM Jeremy Corbyn, Hard left socialist / Marxist / communist , and we are going to be undemocratically subservient to a rule making unelected EU who will dictate our tariffs and foreign policy for us with no say in the matter. We are so screwed. I will never ever vote Tory again or anyone for that matter
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We have to find consolation where we can, so here is what I found this evening (apart from a very decent claret, natch): the hugely funny bitching by Jacob Rees-Mogg:
You do find that leaders who decide to go with the opposition rather than their own party find their own party doesn’t plainly follow.
I’m not sure this is the way to conciliate people to persuade them if they haven’t moved already to move at this stage.
I think getting the support of a known Marxist is not likely to instil confidence in Conservatives.
That's the same Jacob Rees-Mogg who on multiple occasions has defied three-line whips to go through the lobbies with opposition MPs led by 'a known Marxist' against a Conservative government.
Could it be any funnier?0 -
ERG central upset thenrottenborough said:0 -
I hope they can strike a bargain, but I have my doubts whether anything will come of it.SouthamObserver said:
Yes, Mr G. My reading - which could well turn out to be hopelessly naive - is at the 11th hour Mrs May put her country first. I have to admit I actually felt quite emotional listening to her statement. My worry is that I’m so desperate for good news I’m no longer thinking straight!Big_G_NorthWales said:It may not be popular but I am proud of TM today
I expected her to side with the no dealers but she has instead taken a decisive step to put the Country first and save us from a no deal armageddon. TM has sided with my part of the conservative party and laid a gauntlet at the door of the absurd ERG
Of course they have been brainless throughout this, not least serving the 48 letters prematurely securing TM in no 10 till December, then she wins a vonc in her government , and finally offers to resign to get brexit on the books
All the above has given her space to act to achieve a consensus brexit and stand down safe in her legacy
The change in mood from the ERG high fives yesterday to their gloom and despair tonight is a sight to behold and while some may split from the party they will not be missed as the party re-establishes it's one nation philosophy
I expect many will be furious but for the first time in months I am content
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May never tried to move to the ERG.Scott_P said:
She made her stand then demanded the ERG move to her. When they refused she has turned and moved to Corbyn.
The like for like comparison would be if she refuses to budge for Corbyn too and just demands he comes to her.0 -
According to the DT May ignored the will of her cabinet ! Parading the 14 nutjobs who wanted no deal on its cover . I can stomach the Leavers who always wanted to leave but Jeremy Hunt and Javid were willing to throw the country under a bus for their own ambitions. They both deserve contempt .0
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Which will be the first cabinet leaver to resign ?
The Saj must be considering his options.0 -
Careful I think that letters fake. Would coalition partners say contracting brexit out to Jeremy Corbyn?Benpointer said:https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/1113186925429575680
Sort of confirms the view expressed by quite a few on here that the DUP have gone very luke warm about Brexit. So long as the integrity of the UK is not impact they don't seem to be that bothered.0 -
If that is so, then surely everyone single one of those Cabinet Members will be resigning in the morning.rottenborough said:
2 years of awful, awful noise.TheScreamingEagles said:
Parliament will pass something rather than no deal. Would you rather the Tories attempt to shape that something or do nothing?Xtrain said:
You're deluding yourself if you think this will wash.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Actually I expect the party to recover somewhat as this will be popular with voters and I simply do not care about the UKIP dominated membershipGIN1138 said:
And you can enjoy it in glorious opposition to a Marxist government for the next 20 years...Big_G_NorthWales said:
Tonight we may have got our party backtottenhamWC said:
Let's hope the UKIP entryism of the Tory party is now at an end. Would love to see Francois et al ultimately f*ck off as well....DougSeal said:
Yes. The man who lost the citizens of our capital a net £300,000 by buying unusable water cannon and selling them at a loss would be perfect for negotiating a decent Brexit. If by “decent” you mean ending up in the Single Market, a customs union, the Euro and Schengen while having no say in the running of any of them of coursekjohnw said:
No Michael Gove stabbed the one man who could have negotiated a decent brexit in the back. Theresa May is no leaver never has been , she has by stealth and deception subverted the whole brexit process by fully surrendering to her EU masters. The political establishment has betrayed the voters demand to leave the EU. It was never going to be allowed to happen. The civil service would never allow to leave either.Ishmael_Z said:
I believe you are a Leaver? In which case you did this. Well done.kjohnw said:Prepare for the final economic decline of a once great nation, about to be turned into a Marxist republic under PM Jeremy Corbyn, Hard left socialist / Marxist / communist , and we are going to be undemocratically subservient to a rule making unelected EU who will dictate our tariffs and foreign policy for us with no say in the matter. We are so screwed. I will never ever vote Tory again or anyone for that matter
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"Enemies of the People"?rottenborough said:0 -
BBC Live reporting has found room for some classic satire I see:
Boris Johnson has told the BBC that people want politicians in Westminster “not to focus on themselves, but to focus on the needs of the country”.0 -
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kle4 said:
Seems quite a long time. How about 10 years? After 9 years of tory led government that makes sense. 9 years is actually not that bad runin recent history, not everyone can last like Blair and Thatcher.GIN1138 said:
And you can enjoy it in glorious opposition to a Marxist government for the next 20 years...Big_G_NorthWales said:
Tonight we may have got our party backtottenhamWC said:
Let's hope the UKIP entryism of the Tory party is now at an end. Would love to see Francois et al ultimately f*ck off as well....DougSeal said:
Yes. The man who lost the citizens of our capital a net £300,000 by buying unusable water cannon and selling them at a loss would be perfect for negotiating a decent Brexit. If by “decent” you mean ending up in the Single Market, a customs union, the Euro and Schengen while having no say in the running of any of them of coursekjohnw said:
No Michael Gove stabbed the one man who could have negotiated a decent brexit in the back. Theresa May is no leaver never has been , she has by stealth and deception subverted the whole brexit process by fully surrendering to her EU masters. The political establishment has betrayed the voters demand to leave the EU. It was never going to be allowed to happen. The civil service would never allow to leave either.Ishmael_Z said:
I believe you are a Leaver? In which case you did this. Well done.kjohnw said:Prepare for the final economic decline of a once great nation, about to be turned into a Marxist republic under PM Jeremy Corbyn, Hard left socialist / Marxist / communist , and we are going to be undemocratically subservient to a rule making unelected EU who will dictate our tariffs and foreign policy for us with no say in the matter. We are so screwed. I will never ever vote Tory again or anyone for that matter
If you go by the Corn Laws 20 years of Tory Opposition is actually extremely optimistic for them...0 -
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Thinking about it though I'm fine with a permanent customs union. So long as we have a unilateral exit from it.
It was the lack of an exit from the backstop that was unacceptable.0 -
She did, many times. It didn't work. Unlike the ERG, he can bring the votes to see something pass though. (Actually the ERG could too now, but refuse to).Philip_Thompson said:
The like for like comparison would be if she refuses to budge for Corbyn too and just demands he comes to her.Scott_P said:
May's actions are a sign of desperation and weakness. But people attacking her for at least attempting a compromise is just sad, because it is at least more grown up than people sitting in their corners reassuring themselves that they are the most brexity/remainery of them all.0 -
But, it is Jezza and Seamus's key plan to allow a Hard Exit that Tories own.rottenborough said:
I suspect they will think of a way of still ending up there.0 -
You think a post on their website is a fake?dots said:
Careful I think that letters fake. Would coalition partners say contracting brexit out to Jeremy Corbyn?Benpointer said:https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/1113186925429575680
Sort of confirms the view expressed by quite a few on here that the DUP have gone very luke warm about Brexit. So long as the integrity of the UK is not impact they don't seem to be that bothered.0 -
Reads more like 'I wanna be leader' list to me.Chris said:
"Enemies of the People"?rottenborough said:0 -
Cabinet members positioning themselves for the leadership contest.rottenborough said:0 -
They don't do jokes !Alistair said:
You think a post on their website is a fake?dots said:
Careful I think that letters fake. Would coalition partners say contracting brexit out to Jeremy Corbyn?Benpointer said:https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/1113186925429575680
Sort of confirms the view expressed by quite a few on here that the DUP have gone very luke warm about Brexit. So long as the integrity of the UK is not impact they don't seem to be that bothered.0 -
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I mean, I'd be sort of OK with that too - as long as, by "unilateral exit", you mean a vote in Parliament (rather than just a Tory PM's personal position).Philip_Thompson said:Thinking about it though I'm fine with a permanent customs union. So long as we have a unilateral exit from it.
It was the lack of an exit from the backstop that was unacceptable.0 -
Duh. Being suprised by this is like getting suprised that the SNP is on favour of an independent Scotland.Benpointer said:https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/1113186925429575680
Sort of confirms the view expressed by quite a few on here that the DUP have gone very luke warm about Brexit. So long as the integrity of the UK is not impact they don't seem to be that bothered.
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Boles feeling a complete fool now I take it?HYUFD said:
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So assuming the EU grant a long extension, which seems plausible, I guess we go into endless negotiations first with Corbyn, then with various anti-Corbyn factions, and the deadline is December, when MPs can do their next leadership challenge?0
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Yes. Steve Baker was openly hinting he might vote with Corbyn in a vote of no confidence just days ago.Richard_Nabavi said:We have to find consolation where we can, so here is what I found this evening (apart from a very decent claret, natch): the hugely funny bitching by Jacob Rees-Mogg:
You do find that leaders who decide to go with the opposition rather than their own party find their own party doesn’t plainly follow.
I’m not sure this is the way to conciliate people to persuade them if they haven’t moved already to move at this stage.
I think getting the support of a known Marxist is not likely to instil confidence in Conservatives.
That's the same Jacob Rees-Mogg who on multiple occasions has defied three-line whips to go through the lobbies with opposition MPs led by 'a known Marxist' against a Conservative government.
Could it be any funnier?
Corbyn has been their ally for months. Now working with him is unacceptable. She hasn't even done that yet, and nothing may come of it.
Seriously though, I do not like Corbyn at all, but people are actually trying to tell me that the PM and LOTO trying to work together on something is unacceptable? That's up there with the lazy argument that oppositions oppose and so of course they always oppose the government, ignoring that sometimes they don't because government's occasionally do things oppositions like.0 -
Daily Mail frontpage seems neutral, possibly even approving. Interesting.0
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I'm not sure what the ERG are worried about, May and Corbyn will probably meet for a nice chat tomorrow and both come out blaming the other one for not being able to "compromise" a.k.a. swallow everything I'm asking for without much in return.0
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Nobody resigned yet?
Were the Brexiteers all mouth and trousers all along?0 -
Except one gets the impression that the mass of the membership are also ERG.Scott_P said:
Time for a new membership and I don't mean Tommy Robinson.0 -
Wow. Just catching up with the news after a fabulous night out in town.
What ever happened to Mortimer’s Golden Rule?0 -
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Not surprised about their commitment to the integrity of the UK, but they do seem to have dropped Brexit pretty easily.Alistair said:
Duh. Being suprised by this is like getting suprised that the SNP is on favour of an independent Scotland.Benpointer said:https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/1113186925429575680
Sort of confirms the view expressed by quite a few on here that the DUP have gone very luke warm about Brexit. So long as the integrity of the UK is not impact they don't seem to be that bothered.0 -
There I have to disagree with him depending on what he means. Without them, and their supporters, they will lose any election. Their position, as they have pointed out correctly, is not unpopular with the members, or even necessarily the voters.Scott_P said:0 -
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Labour's stint in opposition doesn't exactly inspire confidence.Jonathan said:
GE by July this year. We need a new government. The Tories need a stint in opposition.kle4 said:
I'd like at least a break between the two. Ask the EU to let us have 6 months to catch our breath, then a GE in early 2020.Jonathan said:
We need both. Consent for the deal and a new government to negotiate part two.kle4 said:Big question for me is can we avoid having both a referendum and a GE? If we must have one, and I think we do, I'd rather it be just the one.
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What will be really funny is if Jezza wins with a big majority and is able to go full throttled Brexiteer so in the end it turns out the Tory Remainers have done all of this for nothing anyway. 0
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Remember Chequers. It took several days. In some cases more than a week.Scott_P said:Nobody resigned yet?
Were the Brexiteers all mouth and trousers all along?
I don't doubt those thinking about it will find many willing supporters. Question is how many jump and who goes first. If they want no deal, as reported, how can they stay while May 'attempts' to work with Corbyn?
This page is getting long. Last non Brexit resignation was Tracey Crouch.
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Seems that way to me on first hearing the news. But you never know, maybe these two will surprise us all.solarflare said:I'm not sure what the ERG are worried about, May and Corbyn will probably meet for a nice chat tomorrow and both come out blaming the other one for not being able to "compromise" a.k.a. swallow everything I'm asking for without much in return.
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What is good about about ‘a’ customs union where we have no reciprocal rights of tariff free access to third countries and a trade policy dictated by the EU that we voted to leavePhilip_Thompson said:Thinking about it though I'm fine with a permanent customs union. So long as we have a unilateral exit from it.
It was the lack of an exit from the backstop that was unacceptable.0 -
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Been like that since "Under new management" signs went up...Danny565 said:Daily Mail frontpage seems neutral, possibly even approving. Interesting.
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No way the May 22 one is going to work, it's going to have to go past the EU elections.rottenborough said:Unravelling already?
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When that becomes clear the campaigning for the European elections will get underway and that will kick any decisions on Brexit into the long grass.edmundintokyo said:
No way the May 22 one is going to work, it's going to have to go past the EU elections.rottenborough said:Unravelling already?
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kle4 said:
Remember Chequers. It took several days. In some cases more than a week.Scott_P said:Nobody resigned yet?
Were the Brexiteers all mouth and trousers all along?
I don't doubt those thinking about it will find many willing supporters. Question is how many jump and who goes first. If they want no deal, as reported, how can they stay while May 'attempts' to work with Corbyn?
This page is getting long. Last non Brexit resignation was Tracey Crouch.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_resignations_from_the_second_May_ministry
I doubt if 14 Cabinet Ministers were opposed to her, as there is no way she would have acted the way she did.kle4 said:
Remember Chequers. It took several days. In some cases more than a week.Scott_P said:Nobody resigned yet?
Were the Brexiteers all mouth and trousers all along?
I don't doubt those thinking about it will find many willing supporters. Question is how many jump and who goes first. If they want no deal, as reported, how can they stay while May 'attempts' to work with Corbyn?
This page is getting long. Last non Brexit resignation was Tracey Crouch.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_resignations_from_the_second_May_ministry
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Note her language. 'How we are all feeling'. She doesn't speak for everyone, and most of the party's MPs voted for something they thought delivered what the people voted for, and she didn't. She went against the majority of her party, and that's ok?Scott_P said:0 -
Echoes of the Second World War, evil Stalin helping us win becomes good old Uncle JoeGIN1138 said:
Yes of course.rottenborough said:Is the moment Jezza becomes seen as PM-in-waiting?
Not only PM-in-waiting he's PM in all but name (Theresa's PM in name only)
He's played an absolute blinder.0 -
Yes, I thought we'd passed thepoint of return on the elections already unless we no deal. The EU was pretty clear on that I thought.edmundintokyo said:
No way the May 22 one is going to work, it's going to have to go past the EU elections.rottenborough said:Unravelling already?
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She is utterly mad. Never realised how much of a loss Ed Balls waskle4 said:
Note her language. 'How we are all feeling'. She doesn't speak for everyone, and most of the paty's MPs voted for something they though delivered what the people voted for, and she didn't. She went against the majority of her party, and that's ok?Scott_P said:
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Well, it depends on the alternative, doesn't it?kjohnw said:
What is good about about ‘a’ customs union where we have no reciprocal rights of tariff free access to third countries and a trade policy dictated by the EU that we voted to leavePhilip_Thompson said:Thinking about it though I'm fine with a permanent customs union. So long as we have a unilateral exit from it.
It was the lack of an exit from the backstop that was unacceptable.
- Compared with being a full member of the EU, not much, except that it meets several of the key campaign lines of the Leave campaigns, so Leavers should support it if they give significant weight to 'controlling our borders' and not being part of the political structures and not being subject to the CFP and CAP.
- Compared with Theresa May's deal, it's obviously worse, for the reason you give.
- Compared with crashing out in chaos, it's clearly massively superior, for the obvious reason that it doesn't involve wrecking significant chunks of the economy.0 -
No she's Prime Minister in waiting Jezza to entertain.Scott_P said: 0 -
Oh how everyone mocked when we told them it wasTheScreamingEagles said:
*ALL ABOUT IRELAND*
But people tried to wave it away. It was always about NI. May could never be the PM who destabilised Ireland.0 -
Gove's putting himself about the telly studios tonight, eh?
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We haven't had a Cabinet Member resignation in 6 months. How the top level have not fractured in that time while some openly criticised things I do not know.0
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Whatever else we can say about him, when he decides on something he works for it, and is willing to do so publicly too.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Gove's putting himself about the telly studios tonight, eh?
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Or lost ScotlandTOPPING said:
Oh how everyone mocked when we told them it wasTheScreamingEagles said:
*ALL ABOUT IRELAND*
But people tried to wave it away. It was always about NI. May could never be the PM who destabilised Ireland.0 -
How come it was so obvious to us? You had better stand for the party as a sensible candidate vs what we have now.HYUFD said:
Or lost ScotlandTOPPING said:
Oh how everyone mocked when we told them it wasTheScreamingEagles said:
*ALL ABOUT IRELAND*
But people tried to wave it away. It was always about NI. May could never be the PM who destabilised Ireland.0 -
In case things weren't bad enough, Newsnight have got Barry Gardiner on.0
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The erg may as well pull the plug on the government they have nothing to lose . VONC and general election . If corbyn wins the tories will have a new leader who can campaign on real brexit platform0
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Well, that was all very exciting, I think whether one thinks it a good idea or not it'd be nice to think parliament will actually make some progress this week, after the disappointment of the failure of all indicative votes (or pleasure of their failure for the no deal fans).
A pleasant night to TMay. She may not be serious about her offer, and she may not last to try it seriously, but when there is this much division and you cannot ram something through, seeking compromise is sensible.0 -
That is not strictly true, as I said after Peel repealed the Corn Laws in 1846 the Tories won most seats in both the 1847 and 1852 elections under the protectionist Lord Stanley. They did not win an election outright until Disraeli's win in 1874 admittedly but they did form a few short governments in that period even if the Liberals were in power for most of that time, dominated by PalmerstonGIN1138 said:kle4 said:
Seems quite a long time. How about 10 years? After 9 years of tory led government that makes sense. 9 years is actually not that bad runin recent history, not everyone can last like Blair and Thatcher.GIN1138 said:
And you can enjoy it in glorious opposition to a Marxist government for the next 20 years...Big_G_NorthWales said:
Tonight we may have got our party backtottenhamWC said:
Let's hope the UKIP entryism of the Tory party is now at an end. Would love to see Francois et al ultimately f*ck off as well....DougSeal said:
Yes. The man who lost the citizens of our capital a net £300,000 by buying unusable water cannon and selling them at a loss would be perfect for negotiating a decent Brexit. If by “decent” you mean ending up in the Single Market, a customs union, the Euro and Schengen while having no say in the running of any of them of coursekjohnw said:
No Michael Gove stabbed the one man who could have negotiated a decent brexit in the back. Theresa May is no leaver never has been , she has by stealth and deception subverted the whole brexit process by fully surrendering to her EU masters. The political establishment has betrayed the voters demand to leave the EU. It was never going to be allowed to happen. The civil service would never allow to leave either.Ishmael_Z said:
I believe you are a Leaver? In which case you did this. Well done.kjohnw said:Prepare for the final economic decline of a once great nation, about to be turned into a Marxist republic under PM Jeremy Corbyn, Hard left socialist / Marxist / communist , and we are going to be undemocratically subservient to a rule making unelected EU who will dictate our tariffs and foreign policy for us with no say in the matter. We are so screwed. I will never ever vote Tory again or anyone for that matter
If you go by the Corn Laws 20 years of Tory Opposition is actually extremely optimistic for them...0 -
An awful lot of people are talking about the May-Corbyn Compromise as if it were a done deal already - but all that little address from the podium tonight did was to outline a possible plan of action.
Until said plan yields results, nothing has changed.0 -
If that's the case, we can expel the lot of them.....kjohnw said:The erg may as well pull the plug on the government they have nothing to lose . VONC and general election . If corbyn wins the tories will have a new leader who can campaign on real brexit platform
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Can you explain how the ERG call a vonckjohnw said:The erg may as well pull the plug on the government they have nothing to lose . VONC and general election . If corbyn wins the tories will have a new leader who can campaign on real brexit platform
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The interesting thing is that she knew all of this in 2016, but still chose to test hard Brexit to destruction.TOPPING said:
How come it was so obvious to us? You had better stand for the party as a sensible candidate vs what we have now.HYUFD said:
Or lost ScotlandTOPPING said:
Oh how everyone mocked when we told them it wasTheScreamingEagles said:
*ALL ABOUT IRELAND*
But people tried to wave it away. It was always about NI. May could never be the PM who destabilised Ireland.0 -
That is a really nice comment about TM. I expect many are feeling the same tonightkle4 said:Well, that was all very exciting, I think whether one thinks it a good idea or not it'd be nice to think parliament will actually make some progress this week, after the disappointment of the failure of all indicative votes (or pleasure of their failure for the no deal fans).
A pleasant night to TMay. She may not be serious about her offer, and she may not last to try it seriously, but when there is this much division and you cannot ram something through, seeking compromise is sensible.0 -
Corbyn needs to press her very firmly at PMQs. Is CU on the table? Confirmatory referendum? GNU?
And get some proper answers.
Not just vote for my deal.
So prepare for 6 questions about Plymouth food bank usage...0 -
Are you happy brexit is now going to happen William? Relieved? Where does your fight go from here?williamglenn said:
The interesting thing is that she knew all of this in 2016, but still chose to test hard Brexit to destruction.TOPPING said:
How come it was so obvious to us? You had better stand for the party as a sensible candidate vs what we have now.HYUFD said:
Or lost ScotlandTOPPING said:
Oh how everyone mocked when we told them it wasTheScreamingEagles said:
*ALL ABOUT IRELAND*
But people tried to wave it away. It was always about NI. May could never be the PM who destabilised Ireland.0 -
The Tory’s will split and never be in government again . The brexit party will become the home of many tories now and will bring disaffected labour leavers with it too. TM has torched her own party tonight to do a deal with a terrorist sympathising Marxist0
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Surely the idea is that we have to commit to holding elections if we are still in the EU by election day. They won't mind us not having elections if we have left!edmundintokyo said:
No way the May 22 one is going to work, it's going to have to go past the EU elections.rottenborough said:Unravelling already?
https://twitter.com/Stone_SkyNews/status/1113182791410364416
No doubt this is the reason for the desire to complete all the voting in the Commons this week - so that we can leave before then, even though we have to be ready to hold elections in case the timetable doesn't permit that.0 -
You missed the anti Semite bit.kjohnw said:The Tory’s will split and never be in government again . The brexit party will become the home of many tories now and will bring disaffected labour leavers with it too. TM has torched her own party tonight to do a deal with a terrorist sympathising Marxist
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The WA despite her red lines managed to finesse all issues and perhaps she thought her party was less stark raving mad.williamglenn said:
The interesting thing is that she knew all of this in 2016, but still chose to test hard Brexit to destruction.TOPPING said:
How come it was so obvious to us? You had better stand for the party as a sensible candidate vs what we have now.HYUFD said:
Or lost ScotlandTOPPING said:
Oh how everyone mocked when we told them it wasTheScreamingEagles said:
*ALL ABOUT IRELAND*
But people tried to wave it away. It was always about NI. May could never be the PM who destabilised Ireland.0 -
Brexit going to happen? What makes you think that?dots said:
Are you happy brexit is now going to happen William? Relieved? Where does your fight go from here?williamglenn said:
The interesting thing is that she knew all of this in 2016, but still chose to test hard Brexit to destruction.TOPPING said:
How come it was so obvious to us? You had better stand for the party as a sensible candidate vs what we have now.HYUFD said:
Or lost ScotlandTOPPING said:
Oh how everyone mocked when we told them it wasTheScreamingEagles said:
*ALL ABOUT IRELAND*
But people tried to wave it away. It was always about NI. May could never be the PM who destabilised Ireland.0 -
They are the People's Will made flesh don't you know. Like some charismatic preacher imbued with the Holy Spirit. Only they can discern the collective Brexit unconscious.kle4 said:
Note her language. 'How we are all feeling'. She doesn't speak for everyone, and most of the party's MPs voted for something they thought delivered what the people voted for, and she didn't. She went against the majority of her party, and that's ok?Scott_P said:
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I suspect that the 6.1 million people who've signed the Revoke petition may well turn out to vote, realising that it's effectively a referendum on EU membership, even if we don't get a real referendum. So pro-EU parties may do reasonably well, getting >50% of the vote and the UKIP vote share should fall sharply vs. the ~40% they got in 2014.williamglenn said:
When that becomes clear the campaigning for the European elections will get underway and that will kick any decisions on Brexit into the long grass.edmundintokyo said:
No way the May 22 one is going to work, it's going to have to go past the EU elections.rottenborough said:Unravelling already?
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Hundred plus tories side with oppositionBig_G_NorthWales said:
Can you explain how the ERG call a vonckjohnw said:The erg may as well pull the plug on the government they have nothing to lose . VONC and general election . If corbyn wins the tories will have a new leader who can campaign on real brexit platform
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I’m not usually a fan, but Gardo was pretty good I thought! He used the word betokens, which was particularly pleasing.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:In case things weren't bad enough, Newsnight have got Barry Gardiner on.
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Mays deal + CU plus confirmatory ref is still brexit isn’t it?williamglenn said:
Brexit going to happen? What makes you think that?dots said:
Are you happy brexit is now going to happen William? Relieved? Where does your fight go from here?williamglenn said:
The interesting thing is that she knew all of this in 2016, but still chose to test hard Brexit to destruction.TOPPING said:
How come it was so obvious to us? You had better stand for the party as a sensible candidate vs what we have now.HYUFD said:
Or lost ScotlandTOPPING said:
Oh how everyone mocked when we told them it wasTheScreamingEagles said:
*ALL ABOUT IRELAND*
But people tried to wave it away. It was always about NI. May could never be the PM who destabilised Ireland.0 -
No - TM has put the ERG back in their box and hopefully seen the UKIP infiltrators resign on masskjohnw said:The Tory’s will split and never be in government again . The brexit party will become the home of many tories now and will bring disaffected labour leavers with it too. TM has torched her own party tonight to do a deal with a terrorist sympathising Marxist
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May's deal + CU is a long way from being a done deal, and a confirmatory ref would mean a strong chance we vote Remain.dots said:
Mays deal + CU plus confirmatory ref is still brexit isn’t it?williamglenn said:
Brexit going to happen? What makes you think that?dots said:
Are you happy brexit is now going to happen William? Relieved? Where does your fight go from here?williamglenn said:
The interesting thing is that she knew all of this in 2016, but still chose to test hard Brexit to destruction.TOPPING said:
How come it was so obvious to us? You had better stand for the party as a sensible candidate vs what we have now.HYUFD said:
Or lost ScotlandTOPPING said:
Oh how everyone mocked when we told them it wasTheScreamingEagles said:
*ALL ABOUT IRELAND*
But people tried to wave it away. It was always about NI. May could never be the PM who destabilised Ireland.0 -
You wish.... never going to happen.kjohnw said:
Hundred plus tories side with oppositionBig_G_NorthWales said:
Can you explain how the ERG call a vonckjohnw said:The erg may as well pull the plug on the government they have nothing to lose . VONC and general election . If corbyn wins the tories will have a new leader who can campaign on real brexit platform
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My sense is that May has more than a shred of decency and has finally realised that her country is more important than what’s left of the Tory party.TOPPING said:
Oh how everyone mocked when we told them it wasTheScreamingEagles said:
*ALL ABOUT IRELAND*
But people tried to wave it away. It was always about NI. May could never be the PM who destabilised Ireland.0 -
https://twitter.com/flying_rodent/status/1112979936602742784kjohnw said:The Tory’s will split and never be in government again . The brexit party will become the home of many tories now and will bring disaffected labour leavers with it too. TM has torched her own party tonight to do a deal with a terrorist sympathising Marxist
All the ERG had to do was walk through the lobby...
Fuckwits.0 -
What a weird bunch of twerpsrottenborough said:0 -
I doubt it, as once May goes the hard Brexiteers will take over the party now, however he has become more positive on MayBig_G_NorthWales said:0 -
Well I am running for town council, sadly little we can do about Brexit there thoughTOPPING said:
How come it was so obvious to us? You had better stand for the party as a sensible candidate vs what we have now.HYUFD said:
Or lost ScotlandTOPPING said:
Oh how everyone mocked when we told them it wasTheScreamingEagles said:
*ALL ABOUT IRELAND*
But people tried to wave it away. It was always about NI. May could never be the PM who destabilised Ireland.0
