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Maybe we need to go back to the Lidington temporary PM plan0
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I, for one, welcome our new PM David Lidington.Scott_P said:0 -
I don't buy the Bercow=Anti-Tory line but if he were, he'd let MV3 go forward to the House now to make the Government look even stupider.kle4 said:
She doesn't need to go now, the Letwin cabal are running Brexit instead.Jonathan said:May needs to go now. She offers nothing.
Well it won't pass, but surely it is incumbent on them to at least try? The EU have May one last shot to pass the deal they agreed, may as well give it one last shot.oxfordsimon said:BBC1 has put a news special on Friday evening at 9.30pm - I assume they are expecting the MV3 vote then... not sure that is as likely to happen now
What I don't get is why the DUP saying no would be any surprise at all to anyone - have they given any indication at all that they were considering switching to the deal?0 -
I'll say this for the DUP, at least they spared giving May a night of false optimism for once, by being clear tonight they limited the usual deal overoptimism to a couple of hours at most.
But why exactly did they not just make that statement 2 weeks ago? Does anyone believe they gave more than 5 seconds consideration to backing the deal in the time since MV2?0 -
LK got this right: in promising to go under condition x, TM has promised to go, full stop. Which means that revokers, remainers and softers see that the end of the tunnel is in sight. They’d be daft to give up now.0
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https://twitter.com/NigelDoddsDUP/status/1111010271395565568Charles said:
That phrasing allows room for abstentionDrutt said:DUP still against, but using the words 'unable to support'. I still think that means votes against.
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If you can’t even resign effectively you have nothing left.kle4 said:
She doesn't need to go now, the Letwin cabal are running Brexit instead.Jonathan said:May needs to go now. She offers nothing.
Well it won't pass, but surely it is incumbent on them to at least try? The EU have May one last shot to pass the deal they agreed, may as well give it one last shot.oxfordsimon said:BBC1 has put a news special on Friday evening at 9.30pm - I assume they are expecting the MV3 vote then... not sure that is as likely to happen now
What I don't get is why the DUP saying no would be any surprise at all to anyone - have they given any indication at all that they were considering switching to the deal?
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6am Friday leaked CCHQ papers suggest a June election dateoxfordsimon said:BBC1 has put a news special on Friday evening at 9.30pm - I assume they are expecting the MV3 vote then... not sure that is as likely to happen now
8am Friday PM announces MV3 is a confidence vote.
A few abstentions, including the DUP, but MV3 passes by 4
You heard it here first. It's wrong, but you heard it here first.0 -
SI Passes 441 to 105
So Brexit Day now moves from March 29th0 -
That's what it looks like to me.Charles said:
That phrasing allows room for abstentionDrutt said:DUP still against, but using the words 'unable to support'. I still think that means votes against.
"Unable to support" could mean against... Or abstain for another couple of Mil and the chance to pray for sinful Boris soul....
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Cancel the badges, lads.HYUFD said:SI Passes 441 to 105
So Brexit Day now moves from March 29th0 -
Why would the DUP abstain?Drutt said:
6am Friday leaked CCHQ papers suggest a June election dateoxfordsimon said:BBC1 has put a news special on Friday evening at 9.30pm - I assume they are expecting the MV3 vote then... not sure that is as likely to happen now
8am Friday PM announces MV3 is a confidence vote.
A few abstentions, including the DUP, but MV3 passes by 4
You heard it here first. It's wrong, but you heard it here first.0 -
Baker? Repotedly didn’t keep his mouth shut but didn’t fold either.AlastairMeeks said:It’s fun watching all the hardliners ruin their credibility for naught.
Dominic Raab had the wit to keep his mouth shut, didn’t he? Might he be well-placed as a result to be the Platonic ideal ERG candidate? The rest seem to have shot their bolt now.
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looks as if some Brexit day badges will need melting down.
https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/11110148247780597820 -
Even Hodges has given up
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/11110110051177513070 -
Extension Regulations pass by 441 v 105
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You are absolutely right. The greatest PM without doubt. May outranks Churchill, Disraeli and Gladstone. Wibble.williamglenn said:
When all this is over, people will talk about May as one of the greatest PMs of all time.Jonathan said:May has spent every last cent of political capital and exhausted her power buying votes for a deal nobody wants. One day she will wake up and realise what she has done.
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That is just such an example of chaotic brexit
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PI9jFp0cnigAramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Cancel the badges, lads.HYUFD said:SI Passes 441 to 105
So Brexit Day now moves from March 29th0 -
Because an election most likely robs them of their grip on Westminster's balls.....Benpointer said:
Why would the DUP abstain?Drutt said:
6am Friday leaked CCHQ papers suggest a June election dateoxfordsimon said:BBC1 has put a news special on Friday evening at 9.30pm - I assume they are expecting the MV3 vote then... not sure that is as likely to happen now
8am Friday PM announces MV3 is a confidence vote.
A few abstentions, including the DUP, but MV3 passes by 4
You heard it here first. It's wrong, but you heard it here first.0 -
They dont want an election, its liable to remove their ability to run the countryBenpointer said:
Why would the DUP abstain?Drutt said:
6am Friday leaked CCHQ papers suggest a June election dateoxfordsimon said:BBC1 has put a news special on Friday evening at 9.30pm - I assume they are expecting the MV3 vote then... not sure that is as likely to happen now
8am Friday PM announces MV3 is a confidence vote.
A few abstentions, including the DUP, but MV3 passes by 4
You heard it here first. It's wrong, but you heard it here first.0 -
Not on current polls it isn't.rawzer said:
They dont want an election, its liable to remove their ability to run the countryBenpointer said:
Why would the DUP abstain?Drutt said:
6am Friday leaked CCHQ papers suggest a June election dateoxfordsimon said:BBC1 has put a news special on Friday evening at 9.30pm - I assume they are expecting the MV3 vote then... not sure that is as likely to happen now
8am Friday PM announces MV3 is a confidence vote.
A few abstentions, including the DUP, but MV3 passes by 4
You heard it here first. It's wrong, but you heard it here first.0 -
If you take the minority view this is actually changing the date, we need to wait for the Lords tomorrow.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Cancel the badges, lads.HYUFD said:SI Passes 441 to 105
So Brexit Day now moves from March 29th
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Crikey! Even their tweets carry a hint of underlying menace.Benpointer said:
https://twitter.com/NigelDoddsDUP/status/1111010271395565568Charles said:
That phrasing allows room for abstentionDrutt said:DUP still against, but using the words 'unable to support'. I still think that means votes against.
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The rest of the last few years being so non-chaoticBig_G_NorthWales said:That is just such an example of chaotic brexit
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Have Parliament declare Northern Ireland independent, then take away their voting rights at westminster. Bish bosh job done.Ave_it said:Arlene needs to be told to keep out of it or we:
- cut the money off
- equalise abortion and gay marriage laws in NI (which we should do in any case)
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There is more than one way of making an ass of yourself.trawl said:
Baker? Repotedly didn’t keep his mouth shut but didn’t fold either.AlastairMeeks said:It’s fun watching all the hardliners ruin their credibility for naught.
Dominic Raab had the wit to keep his mouth shut, didn’t he? Might he be well-placed as a result to be the Platonic ideal ERG candidate? The rest seem to have shot their bolt now.0 -
As per my other answer to @rawzer... but in any event are they willing to sacrifice their backstop priciples to avoid an election - I don't think so.MarqueeMark said:
Because an election most likely robs them of their grip on Westminster's balls.....Benpointer said:
Why would the DUP abstain?Drutt said:
6am Friday leaked CCHQ papers suggest a June election dateoxfordsimon said:BBC1 has put a news special on Friday evening at 9.30pm - I assume they are expecting the MV3 vote then... not sure that is as likely to happen now
8am Friday PM announces MV3 is a confidence vote.
A few abstentions, including the DUP, but MV3 passes by 4
You heard it here first. It's wrong, but you heard it here first.0 -
This seems unlikely, though?kle4 said:Even Hodges has given up
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1111011005117751307
The polling at present suggests a hung parliament, with the SNP making gains in the central belt of Scotland at the expense of Labour, Labour's vote in Leave areas squeezed by Continuity UKIP, and the Tories under pressure in some Remain-y areas from a handful of Lib Dems.
It doesn't automatically follow that the annoyance of a GE would lead to a rush of blood to the electorate's head to deliver Corbz to Number Ten.0 -
They did so today IIRCIanB2 said:
If you take the minority view this is actually changing the date, we need to wait for the Lords tomorrow.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Cancel the badges, lads.HYUFD said:SI Passes 441 to 105
So Brexit Day now moves from March 29th0 -
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Very good point. The answer has just occurred to me. Because the DUP expected the ERG to hold out. They had no reason to trust the ERG before but now they KNOW the ERG has put their partisan advantage ahead of any principle that prevents a border in the Irish Sea.kle4 said:I'll say this for the DUP, at least they spared giving May a night of false optimism for once, by being clear tonight they limited the usual deal overoptimism to a couple of hours at most.
But why exactly did they not just make that statement 2 weeks ago? Does anyone believe they gave more than 5 seconds consideration to backing the deal in the time since MV2?0 -
They need to send Boris over to NI tonight to charm Arlene... He'd have her purrrrrrrrrrrrrring within minutes.dixiedean said:
Crikey! Even their tweets carry a hint of underlying menace.Benpointer said:
https://twitter.com/NigelDoddsDUP/status/1111010271395565568Charles said:
That phrasing allows room for abstentionDrutt said:DUP still against, but using the words 'unable to support'. I still think that means votes against.
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Corbyn winning outright may or may not happen, but what is certain is the WA won't pass, and as much as I do not want one more and more MPs may start to think a GE at least has the potential to solve their problem by magically delivery a majority to one or the other of the big two.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
This seems unlikely, though?kle4 said:Even Hodges has given up
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1111011005117751307
The polling at present suggests a hung parliament, with the SNP making gains in the central belt of Scotland at the expense of Labour, Labour's vote in Leave areas squeezed by Continuity UKIP, and the Tories under pressure in some Remain-y areas from a handful of Lib Dems.
It doesn't automatically follow that the annoyance of a GE would lead to a rush of blood to the electorate's head to deliver Corbz to Number Ten.
The DUP could give two sh*ts, I get the impression anything could happen on Brexit and they genuinely do not care so long as they are not involved in whatever passes. Anything for the chance to tell everyone how they are the only true patriots in the land and to scream never and shout about betrayal.0 -
Never, never, never!0
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Well if we don't Brexit, you could certainly make a case for it. Let's see now....Jonathan said:
You are absolutely right. The greatest PM without doubt. May outranks Churchill, Disraeli and Gladstone. Wibble.williamglenn said:
When all this is over, people will talk about May as one of the greatest PMs of all time.Jonathan said:May has spent every last cent of political capital and exhausted her power buying votes for a deal nobody wants. One day she will wake up and realise what she has done.
Numerous Conservative Leaders are destroyed by the Party's Eurosceptic wing. In desperation, Cameron tries to kill them off with a referendum he is sure Remain will win. It all goes horribly wrong and the wrong side wins. May steps in and conducts negotiations so ineptly, losing her Party's majority in the process, that the House is unable to accept the terms she has agreed and in the ensuing chaos, Brexit collapses and we stay in the EU.
History later discovers that this was her cunning plan all along and she is lauded as the saviour of the nation, which would I suppose be true, whether she intended it or not.0 -
A majority of MPs would accept the deal. They just don't want to be seen voting for it.kle4 said:
Hundreds of MPs want the deal. Just nowhere near a majority of them.Jonathan said:May has spent every last cent of political capital and exhausted her power buying votes for a deal nobody wants. One day she will wake up and realise what she has done.
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If I were cynical about the DUP, why would they run the risk of an election and losing control. I assume thats what @drutt was implying. Actually I'm not cynical about them, I think they just are that hardline and terrifyingly attached to their principles. How ever the Good Friday Agreement got done I have no ideaBenpointer said:
As per my other answer to @rawzer... but in any event are they willing to sacrifice their backstop priciples to avoid an election - I don't think so.MarqueeMark said:
Because an election most likely robs them of their grip on Westminster's balls.....Benpointer said:
Why would the DUP abstain?Drutt said:
6am Friday leaked CCHQ papers suggest a June election dateoxfordsimon said:BBC1 has put a news special on Friday evening at 9.30pm - I assume they are expecting the MV3 vote then... not sure that is as likely to happen now
8am Friday PM announces MV3 is a confidence vote.
A few abstentions, including the DUP, but MV3 passes by 4
You heard it here first. It's wrong, but you heard it here first.0 -
Couldn't they have got Newcastle Central to count the MPs votes? - would save a lengthy delay.0
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Ok, thx. I see BF has closed both relevant bets. Someone has lost a lot of money expecting a different outcome. Unless indeed some sort of legal challenge is planned.Benpointer said:
They did so today IIRCIanB2 said:
If you take the minority view this is actually changing the date, we need to wait for the Lords tomorrow.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Cancel the badges, lads.HYUFD said:SI Passes 441 to 105
So Brexit Day now moves from March 29th0 -
Surely it's basically going to end up either a general election or a referendum.0
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That's my take. Any form of Brexit puts the Union in more peril than No Brexit.williamglenn said:Alastair Campbell says perhaps the DUP don't want Brexit to happen... The penny is dropping.
If we No Brexit the chances of a border poll recede to near-zero as everyone will breathe a sigh of relief, north and south, and the idea of controversial constitutional referendums will be as popular as a fart in a sauna.0 -
Only in the nuttiest parts of the Maudsley Hospital!williamglenn said:
When all this is over, people will talk about May as one of the greatest PMs of all time.Jonathan said:May has spent every last cent of political capital and exhausted her power buying votes for a deal nobody wants. One day she will wake up and realise what she has done.
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Why will there be an election if we leave without a Deal on 12/4? I'm assuming the Cabinet won't seek a long extension as that would be tantamount to revocation so that's it.
As of 13/4 the Government is in crisis management mode as the absurdities (presumably) and lack of preparation (possibly) become the story.
May might actually do quite well in the immediate "crisis" as people tend to rally round and support the Govenrment at times of trouble. The problem then becomes where do we as a country go from here.
Does it mean an election? I simply don't see what it would achieve.0 -
They know that short of a massive and sudden shift in public opinion in NI, they will retain their seats, so posturing works for them.kle4 said:
Corbyn winning outright may or may not happen, but what is certain is the WA won't pass, and as much as I do not want one more and more MPs may start to think a GE at least has the potential to solve their problem by magically delivery a majority to one or the other of the big two.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
This seems unlikely, though?kle4 said:Even Hodges has given up
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1111011005117751307
The polling at present suggests a hung parliament, with the SNP making gains in the central belt of Scotland at the expense of Labour, Labour's vote in Leave areas squeezed by Continuity UKIP, and the Tories under pressure in some Remain-y areas from a handful of Lib Dems.
It doesn't automatically follow that the annoyance of a GE would lead to a rush of blood to the electorate's head to deliver Corbz to Number Ten.
The DUP could give two sh*ts, I get the impression anything could happen on Brexit and they genuinely do not care so long as they are not involved in whatever passes. Anything for the chance to tell everyone how they are the only true patriots in the land and to scream never and shout about betrayal.
Certain communities aren't suddenly going to vote for the Shinners, even though the demographics are against the Unionists in the long run.0 -
Laying Boris is always wise.
From a betting stand point when it to comes to next Tory leader.0 -
We had a proper PM then.rawzer said:
If I were cynical about the DUP, why would they run the risk of an election and losing control. I assume thats what @drutt was implying. Actually I'm not cynical about them, I think they just are that hardline and terrifyingly attached to their principles. How ever the Good Friday Agreement got done I have no ideaBenpointer said:
As per my other answer to @rawzer... but in any event are they willing to sacrifice their backstop priciples to avoid an election - I don't think so.MarqueeMark said:
Because an election most likely robs them of their grip on Westminster's balls.....Benpointer said:
Why would the DUP abstain?Drutt said:
6am Friday leaked CCHQ papers suggest a June election dateoxfordsimon said:BBC1 has put a news special on Friday evening at 9.30pm - I assume they are expecting the MV3 vote then... not sure that is as likely to happen now
8am Friday PM announces MV3 is a confidence vote.
A few abstentions, including the DUP, but MV3 passes by 4
You heard it here first. It's wrong, but you heard it here first.0 -
Just think how bad it'd have been if all the potential options were included, not just the ones Bercow choseBenpointer said:Couldn't they have got Newcastle Central to count the MPs votes? - would save a lengthy delay.
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It was done by the OUP/UUP iirc.rawzer said:
If I were cynical about the DUP, why would they run the risk of an election and losing control. I assume thats what @drutt was implying. Actually I'm not cynical about them, I think they just are that hardline and terrifyingly attached to their principles. How ever the Good Friday Agreement got done I have no ideaBenpointer said:
As per my other answer to @rawzer... but in any event are they willing to sacrifice their backstop priciples to avoid an election - I don't think so.MarqueeMark said:
Because an election most likely robs them of their grip on Westminster's balls.....Benpointer said:
Why would the DUP abstain?Drutt said:
6am Friday leaked CCHQ papers suggest a June election dateoxfordsimon said:BBC1 has put a news special on Friday evening at 9.30pm - I assume they are expecting the MV3 vote then... not sure that is as likely to happen now
8am Friday PM announces MV3 is a confidence vote.
A few abstentions, including the DUP, but MV3 passes by 4
You heard it here first. It's wrong, but you heard it here first.0 -
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Quite. They are completely safe, and can afford to be as obstructive as they like, even as they moan about what the rest of the UK will now do.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
They know that short of a massive and sudden shift in public opinion in NI, they will retain their seats, so posturing works for them.kle4 said:
Corbyn winning outright may or may not happen, but what is certain is the WA won't pass, and as much as I do not want one more and more MPs may start to think a GE at least has the potential to solve their problem by magically delivery a majority to one or the other of the big two.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
This seems unlikely, though?kle4 said:Even Hodges has given up
https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1111011005117751307
The polling at present suggests a hung parliament, with the SNP making gains in the central belt of Scotland at the expense of Labour, Labour's vote in Leave areas squeezed by Continuity UKIP, and the Tories under pressure in some Remain-y areas from a handful of Lib Dems.
It doesn't automatically follow that the annoyance of a GE would lead to a rush of blood to the electorate's head to deliver Corbz to Number Ten.
The DUP could give two sh*ts, I get the impression anything could happen on Brexit and they genuinely do not care so long as they are not involved in whatever passes. Anything for the chance to tell everyone how they are the only true patriots in the land and to scream never and shout about betrayal.
Certain communities aren't suddenly going to vote for the Shinners, even though the demographics are against the Unionists in the long run.0 -
I cant begin to imagine what the DUP would do to Boris on his first day as PM. Invite him over, get him in the prefects room, lock the door, roast him, debag him, paint him orange and hang him out the window.GIN1138 said:
They need to send Boris over to NI tonight to charm Arlene... He'd have her purrrrrrrrrrrrrring within minutes.dixiedean said:
Crikey! Even their tweets carry a hint of underlying menace.Benpointer said:
https://twitter.com/NigelDoddsDUP/status/1111010271395565568Charles said:
That phrasing allows room for abstentionDrutt said:DUP still against, but using the words 'unable to support'. I still think that means votes against.
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The Tory party needs to go away and have a lie down in a dark room for about 10 years and come back only when it’s got this out of its system.0
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Achieving something would not be the point. The hope it would achieve something would be, and surprising numbers of MPs seem convinced it would.stodge said:Why will there be an election if we leave without a Deal on 12/4? I'm assuming the Cabinet won't seek a long extension as that would be tantamount to revocation so that's it.
As of 13/4 the Government is in crisis management mode as the absurdities (presumably) and lack of preparation (possibly) become the story.
May might actually do quite well in the immediate "crisis" as people tend to rally round and support the Govenrment at times of trouble. The problem then becomes where do we as a country go from here.
Does it mean an election? I simply don't see what it would achieve.0 -
Whisper it quietlyBenpointer said:
We had a proper PM then.rawzer said:
If I were cynical about the DUP, why would they run the risk of an election and losing control. I assume thats what @drutt was implying. Actually I'm not cynical about them, I think they just are that hardline and terrifyingly attached to their principles. How ever the Good Friday Agreement got done I have no ideaBenpointer said:
As per my other answer to @rawzer... but in any event are they willing to sacrifice their backstop priciples to avoid an election - I don't think so.MarqueeMark said:
Because an election most likely robs them of their grip on Westminster's balls.....Benpointer said:
Why would the DUP abstain?Drutt said:
6am Friday leaked CCHQ papers suggest a June election dateoxfordsimon said:BBC1 has put a news special on Friday evening at 9.30pm - I assume they are expecting the MV3 vote then... not sure that is as likely to happen now
8am Friday PM announces MV3 is a confidence vote.
A few abstentions, including the DUP, but MV3 passes by 4
You heard it here first. It's wrong, but you heard it here first.0 -
The DUP opposed the Good Friday Agreement.rawzer said:
If I were cynical about the DUP, why would they run the risk of an election and losing control. I assume thats what @drutt was implying. Actually I'm not cynical about them, I think they just are that hardline and terrifyingly attached to their principles. How ever the Good Friday Agreement got done I have no ideaBenpointer said:
As per my other answer to @rawzer... but in any event are they willing to sacrifice their backstop priciples to avoid an election - I don't think so.MarqueeMark said:
Because an election most likely robs them of their grip on Westminster's balls.....Benpointer said:
Why would the DUP abstain?Drutt said:
6am Friday leaked CCHQ papers suggest a June election dateoxfordsimon said:BBC1 has put a news special on Friday evening at 9.30pm - I assume they are expecting the MV3 vote then... not sure that is as likely to happen now
8am Friday PM announces MV3 is a confidence vote.
A few abstentions, including the DUP, but MV3 passes by 4
You heard it here first. It's wrong, but you heard it here first.0 -
I had them abstaining because they were torn between the Scylla of voting against (election, Corbyn, lost power) and the Charybdis of voting for (backstop, union, arses kicked next elex)Benpointer said:
We had a proper PM then.rawzer said:
If I were cynical about the DUP, why would they run the risk of an election and losing control. I assume thats what @drutt was implying. Actually I'm not cynical about them, I think they just are that hardline and terrifyingly attached to their principles. How ever the Good Friday Agreement got done I have no ideaBenpointer said:
As per my other answer to @rawzer... but in any event are they willing to sacrifice their backstop priciples to avoid an election - I don't think so.MarqueeMark said:
Because an election most likely robs them of their grip on Westminster's balls.....Benpointer said:
Why would the DUP abstain?Drutt said:
6am Friday leaked CCHQ papers suggest a June election dateoxfordsimon said:BBC1 has put a news special on Friday evening at 9.30pm - I assume they are expecting the MV3 vote then... not sure that is as likely to happen now
8am Friday PM announces MV3 is a confidence vote.
A few abstentions, including the DUP, but MV3 passes by 4
You heard it here first. It's wrong, but you heard it here first.0 -
Oh FFS. Let's just revoke the shit out of this shit.
ENOUGH.0 -
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wg2hUodOqrsSeanT said:Oh FFS. Let's just revoke the shit out of this shit.
ENOUGH.0 -
Tbf none of the others were really options. I was surprised Bercow got no point of order challenges on his ruling, but his selection appears to have been accepted as reasonable.solarflare said:
Just think how bad it'd have been if all the potential options were included, not just the ones Bercow choseBenpointer said:Couldn't they have got Newcastle Central to count the MPs votes? - would save a lengthy delay.
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I love the quiet “never” at the end as if the 3 bellowed versions weren’t enough 😝GIN1138 said:0 -
5.9 million now, go on, you know that you want to...SeanT said:Oh FFS. Let's just revoke the shit out of this shit.
ENOUGH.
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TraitorSeanT said:Oh FFS. Let's just revoke the shit out of this shit.
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DUP. GE here we come...0
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Given a general election is increasingly likely either May wins and stays or Corbyn becomes PM in which case the Tories will be electing the Leader of the Opposition, in which case Boris very likelyTheScreamingEagles said:Laying Boris is always wise.
From a betting stand point when it to comes to next Tory leader.0 -
Nah, they'd give him some treatment he didn't enjoy.rawzer said:
I cant begin to imagine what the DUP would do to Boris on his first day as PM. Invite him over, get him in the prefects room, lock the door, roast him, debag him, paint him orange and hang him out the window.GIN1138 said:
They need to send Boris over to NI tonight to charm Arlene... He'd have her purrrrrrrrrrrrrring within minutes.dixiedean said:
Crikey! Even their tweets carry a hint of underlying menace.Benpointer said:
https://twitter.com/NigelDoddsDUP/status/1111010271395565568Charles said:
That phrasing allows room for abstentionDrutt said:DUP still against, but using the words 'unable to support'. I still think that means votes against.
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OK. Out of the loop here. What exactly has happened to the results of Brex Factor?0
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Here we go.0
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By flip-flopping so opportunistically, has Johnson just totally fucked his chance of replacing May?
If there’s one thing that unites left and right, Remain and Leave Tories, it must be contempt of Johnson - surely?0 -
And for some reason the people of NI rewarded them by making them the largest party for the past however many years.williamglenn said:
The DUP opposed the Good Friday Agreement.rawzer said:
If I were cynical about the DUP, why would they run the risk of an election and losing control. I assume thats what @drutt was implying. Actually I'm not cynical about them, I think they just are that hardline and terrifyingly attached to their principles. How ever the Good Friday Agreement got done I have no ideaBenpointer said:
As per my other answer to @rawzer... but in any event are they willing to sacrifice their backstop priciples to avoid an election - I don't think so.MarqueeMark said:
Because an election most likely robs them of their grip on Westminster's balls.....Benpointer said:
Why would the DUP abstain?Drutt said:
6am Friday leaked CCHQ papers suggest a June election dateoxfordsimon said:BBC1 has put a news special on Friday evening at 9.30pm - I assume they are expecting the MV3 vote then... not sure that is as likely to happen now
8am Friday PM announces MV3 is a confidence vote.
A few abstentions, including the DUP, but MV3 passes by 4
You heard it here first. It's wrong, but you heard it here first.
They seem the types who cannot see 5 minutes ahead, so intent on politically pleasuring themselves they don't care about any consequences. Every uttrance they put out seems designed purely to reassure themselves that they are the purest in all the lands.0 -
Now if the Speaker's clock is accurate that HoC stream on the BBC is only 7 secs delayed - so how do you some of guys get the results so early?
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Or both. Crisis GE with Labour running on REF2 and winning it.solarflare said:Surely it's basically going to end up either a general election or a referendum.
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Lot of abstentions on some of these votes.0
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Thatcher was so brilliantly icy and unflappable.williamglenn said:
That said, I rather liked Ian Paisley. He was what he was, a doughty defender of his people.0 -
I don't want to leave with this absolute shower of MPs running the show. We've proven unable to make it work, time to return with tail between our legs.kjohnw said:
Don’t give up Sean , some things in life are worth fighting for . Good things don’t come easy. I have a quiet confidence we will be leaving and we will make it workSeanT said:Oh FFS. Let's just revoke the shit out of this shit.
ENOUGH.0 -
Ken Clarke's motion was the only thing that came close.0
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All defeated.0
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No plan has a majority.
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I don't think Bercow does reasonableIanB2 said:
Tbf none of the others were really options. I was surprised Bercow got no point of order challenges on his ruling, but his selection appears to have been accepted as reasonable.solarflare said:
Just think how bad it'd have been if all the potential options were included, not just the ones Bercow choseBenpointer said:Couldn't they have got Newcastle Central to count the MPs votes? - would save a lengthy delay.
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Indicative Votes Results
Deal plus Customs Union (Clarke) Yes 264 Noes 272
Corbyn Brexit Yes 237 Noes 307
Common Market 2.0 SM+CU (Boles) Yes 188 Noes 283
Deal plus EEA/SM (Eustice) Yes 65 Noes 377
Malthouse Compromise Yes 139 Noes 422
No Deal (Baron) Yes 160 Noes 400
Referendum on the Deal (Beckett) Yes 268 Noes 295
Revoke Article 50 (SNP) Yes 184 Noes 293
So Commons votes down everything on first round but May Deal + permanent Customs Union closest and loses by just 8
Also revoke Article 50 gets more votes than No Deal
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Well that is clear then0
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+1Gardenwalker said:By flip-flopping so opportunistically, has Johnson just totally fucked his chance of replacing May?
If there’s one thing that unites left and right, Remain and Leave Tories, it must be contempt of Johnson - surely?
He was a busted flush two years ago, I have no idea why people still think him a contender now. Perhaps because of the paucity of alternatives. But surely Johnson has been shown time and time again now to be a self-serving opportunist without a backbone.0 -
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Referendum gets the highest vote - 268.0
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"The British–Irish Agreement came into force on 2 December 1999. The Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) was the only major political group in Northern Ireland to oppose the Good Friday Agreement."williamglenn said:
The DUP opposed the Good Friday Agreement.rawzer said:
If I were cynical about the DUP, why would they run the risk of an election and losing control. I assume thats what @drutt was implying. Actually I'm not cynical about them, I think they just are that hardline and terrifyingly attached to their principles. How ever the Good Friday Agreement got done I have no ideaBenpointer said:
As per my other answer to @rawzer... but in any event are they willing to sacrifice their backstop priciples to avoid an election - I don't think so.MarqueeMark said:
Because an election most likely robs them of their grip on Westminster's balls.....Benpointer said:
Why would the DUP abstain?Drutt said:
6am Friday leaked CCHQ papers suggest a June election dateoxfordsimon said:BBC1 has put a news special on Friday evening at 9.30pm - I assume they are expecting the MV3 vote then... not sure that is as likely to happen now
8am Friday PM announces MV3 is a confidence vote.
A few abstentions, including the DUP, but MV3 passes by 4
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MPs Indicative Votes (for v against):
B - (Baron: No deal) 160 v 400
D - (Boles: CM2) 188 v 283
H - (Eustace: EFTA+EEA) 65 v 377
J - (Clarke: WA+CU) 264 v 272
K - (Corbyn: Labour deal) 237 v 307
L - (Cherry: Revoke to avoid no deal) 184 v 293
M - (Beckett: WA+referendum) 268 v 295
O - (Fysh: Malthouse B ) 139 v 422
All NO
AV on Monday?!0 -
Nothing even close to 300, what a shambles.0
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What was the fucking point of all that?0
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Seriously like seriously, every single one even with cabinet abstaining....the hoc again showing they are brilliant at knowing what they don't want, and fucking useless at showing what it does want.0
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The No's having a very good night...0
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Danny Dyer was the prophet of all this and Nothing Has Changed!dixiedean said:OK. Out of the loop here. What exactly has happened to the results of Brex Factor?
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How many times have you signed Foxy?Foxy said:
5.9 million now, go on, you know that you want to...SeanT said:Oh FFS. Let's just revoke the shit out of this shit.
ENOUGH.
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As I said, donkeys led by donkeys.0
