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Not Corbyn's unicorns with a say in EU trade dealsbigjohnowls said:
Letwin, Ken Clarke, Sarah Newton propose #CorbynsCustomsUnionbigjohnowls said:0 -
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/mar/26/the-16m-new-york-penthouse-fit-for-a-uk-civil-servant
The government has bought a $15.9m (£12m) seven bedroom luxury New York apartment for a senior British civil servant charged with signing fresh trade deals in a post-Brexit world, the Guardian can reveal.
The foreign secretary Jeremy Hunt oversaw the purchase of a 5,893 sq ft (574 sq metre) apartment as the official residence for Antony Phillipson, the UK trade commissioner for North America and consul general in New York.0 -
Which makes me wonder why Nicky Morgan signed it.IanB2 said:
Which is why it is a wrecking amendment from MPs that are trying to duck the real choices the country faces.Philip_Thompson said:I wonder how the EU would react if Malthouse got a majority in the Commons again and nothing else did again.
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And woe betide them if they've taken us to this constitutional crisis and they STILL can't agree anything.GIN1138 said:
Shouldn't Bercow pick everything? Every single unicorn should be on the tablebigjohnowls said:I think Bercow will pick
• Labour's Brexit Plan (CU & SMA)
• Revoke A50
• 2nd Referendum
• Norway Plan (Common Market)
• Malthouse Compromise
• A No Deal Brexit
Time for everyone to lay all their cards on the table once and for all and lets see what the scoundrels have got...0 -
We have a winner Methinks unless Govt whips against #CCU with 3 Tory proposers and 3 Blairite proposers.GIN1138 said:
Shouldn't Bercow pick everything? Every single unicorn should be on the tablebigjohnowls said:I think Bercow will pick
• Labour's Brexit Plan (CU & SMA)
• Revoke A50
• 2nd Referendum
• Norway Plan (Common Market)
• Malthouse Compromise
• A No Deal Brexit
Time for everyone to lay all their cards on the table once and for all and lets see what the scoundrels have got...
Clever Clever stuff from Corbyn again.0 -
Yes that's what I thought but then again... with a sufficient extension anything's possible (ooh-er!).MaxPB said:
A rare point of agreement. Bercow needs to select only the proposals that have a realistic proposition of success. Anything that proposes changes to the WA needs to be ignored.IanB2 said:
Which is why it is a wrecking amendment from MPs that are trying to duck the real choices the country faces.Philip_Thompson said:I wonder how the EU would react if Malthouse got a majority in the Commons again and nothing else did again.
I think you're right though - it would be a reasonable criteria for Bercow to use.0 -
Of course its originally the proposal of Blairites all along that pushed hard on this until Corbyn belated adopted it.bigjohnowls said:
We have a winner Methinks unless Govt whips against #CCU with 3 Tory proposers and 3 Blairite proposers.GIN1138 said:
Shouldn't Bercow pick everything? Every single unicorn should be on the tablebigjohnowls said:I think Bercow will pick
• Labour's Brexit Plan (CU & SMA)
• Revoke A50
• 2nd Referendum
• Norway Plan (Common Market)
• Malthouse Compromise
• A No Deal Brexit
Time for everyone to lay all their cards on the table once and for all and lets see what the scoundrels have got...
Clever Clever stuff from Corbyn again.
But sure, its all Corbyn's idea. Of course it is.0 -
Because MPs have been given a task that is beyond their abilities and they are engaging in displacement activity until time runs out or they produce an impossible solution, at which point they will blame the EU.OnlyLivingBoy said:
How can I live in a world where apparently sane people believe the Malthouse Compromise is an actual real thing?GIN1138 said:
Wonder if we'll see a Boris/Nicky "dream ticket" when Tess gets the boot?williamglenn said:A unicorn is reborn.
https://twitter.com/NickyMorgan01/status/1110627273223360512
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Works for Indiana Jones of courseJosiasJessop said:
Off-topic:dixiedean said:
Harry Potter and the ...goes before all of them. In which our intrepid band of MPs come up with ever more incredible wheezes to ensure they are defeated...FF43 said:
One in a series of airport novels. Titles in the series include:solarflare said:Begs the question what's Malthouse Compromise Plan B?
Malthouse Compromise
Chequers Plan
Letwin Amendment
Norway Option
Many years ago, Mrs J and I realised that you could replace the last word in every title of the Harry Potter series with the word 'cum' and get a very different set of books:
Harry Potter and the Philosopher's ...
Harry Potter and the Chamber of ...
Harry Potter and the Prisoner of ...
Harry Potter and the Goblet of ...
Harry Potter and the Order of the ...
Harry Potter and the Half-Blood ...
Harry Potter and the Deathly ...
Although some work better with the word in the middle: for instance, 'Harry Potter and the Cum of the Phoenix' is a rather mind-boggling title ...
Raiders of the lost ...
Temple of ...
The last ...0 -
So that rules out the Customs Union amendment then.Benpointer said:
Yes that's what I thought but then again... with a sufficient extension anythings possible (ooh-er!).MaxPB said:
A rare point of agreement. Bercow needs to select only the proposals that have a realistic proposition of success. Anything that proposes changes to the WA needs to be ignored.IanB2 said:
Which is why it is a wrecking amendment from MPs that are trying to duck the real choices the country faces.Philip_Thompson said:I wonder how the EU would react if Malthouse got a majority in the Commons again and nothing else did again.
I think you're right though - it would be a reasonable criteria for Bercow to use.0 -
You really are besotted with Corbyn and his unicorns.bigjohnowls said:
We have a winner Methinks unless Govt whips against #CCU with 3 Tory proposers and 3 Blairite proposers.GIN1138 said:
Shouldn't Bercow pick everything? Every single unicorn should be on the tablebigjohnowls said:I think Bercow will pick
• Labour's Brexit Plan (CU & SMA)
• Revoke A50
• 2nd Referendum
• Norway Plan (Common Market)
• Malthouse Compromise
• A No Deal Brexit
Time for everyone to lay all their cards on the table once and for all and lets see what the scoundrels have got...
Clever Clever stuff from Corbyn again.
None of them will win - deadlock beckons0 -
Is that all you got in responseBig_G_NorthWales said:
Not Corbyn's unicorns with a say in EU trade dealsbigjohnowls said:
Letwin, Ken Clarke, Sarah Newton propose #CorbynsCustomsUnionbigjohnowls said:
Seriously
Time to get behind #CorbynsCustomsUnion Big G0 -
Will May's deal be one of the options tomorrow?
Or does Bercow rule it out as it's already been rejected?
Or does it not need to be on the list tomorrow on the basis that the Govt will bring it back separately if / when it so desires?0 -
No, because that says we pass the existing WA and bind the government to seek a customs union as the long term trade deal. I disagree with it, but it is definitely possible as it requires changes to the political statement, not the WA.Philip_Thompson said:
So that rules out the Customs Union amendment then.Benpointer said:
Yes that's what I thought but then again... with a sufficient extension anythings possible (ooh-er!).MaxPB said:
A rare point of agreement. Bercow needs to select only the proposals that have a realistic proposition of success. Anything that proposes changes to the WA needs to be ignored.IanB2 said:
Which is why it is a wrecking amendment from MPs that are trying to duck the real choices the country faces.Philip_Thompson said:I wonder how the EU would react if Malthouse got a majority in the Commons again and nothing else did again.
I think you're right though - it would be a reasonable criteria for Bercow to use.0 -
Everything tomorrow has been rejected already by the Commons, except Malthouse which was approved once already and straight revoke which has never been proposed yet. The indicative votes are giving a chance for everyone to address all issues at once, so ruling out any based on prior votes wouldn't make sense.MikeL said:Will May's deal be one of the options tomorrow?
Or does Bercow rule it out as it's already been rejected?
Or does it not need to be on the list tomorrow on the basis that the Govt will bring it back separately if / when it so desires?0 -
If that happens after all this then it's time the HMQ to step in and tell them in the name of god go!!!Big_G_NorthWales said:
None of them will win - deadlock beckons0 -
I will never ever support Corbyn and all he stands forbigjohnowls said:
Is that all you got in responseBig_G_NorthWales said:
Not Corbyn's unicorns with a say in EU trade dealsbigjohnowls said:
Letwin, Ken Clarke, Sarah Newton propose #CorbynsCustomsUnionbigjohnowls said:
Seriously
Time to get behind #CorbynsCustomsUnion Big G
And you are deluded if you think Corbyn wants anything to do with the EU. He seeks no deal0 -
How does he know it has the maximum prospect?Barnesian said:
Presumably there are many who want all other options to fail, so that one like this must be used.
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We head to the No Deal exit. At which point the shit hits the fan. The shit needs to fly before people get serious. Will it mean May's Deal? Perhaps. EU elections and long extension? Perhaps. Revoke Article 50? That would take courage, but it would be the only more or less definitive outcome. The other two are storing up problems and decisions for later.Philip_Thompson said:I wonder how the EU would react if Malthouse got a majority in the Commons again and nothing else did again.
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It says "any WA and PD negotiated with the EU must include, as a minimum, a commitment to negotiate a permanent and comprehensive UK-wide customs union with the EU".MaxPB said:
No, because that says we pass the existing WA and bind the government to seek a customs union as the long term trade deal. I disagree with it, but it is definitely possible as it requires changes to the political statement, not the WA.Philip_Thompson said:
So that rules out the Customs Union amendment then.Benpointer said:
Yes that's what I thought but then again... with a sufficient extension anythings possible (ooh-er!).MaxPB said:
A rare point of agreement. Bercow needs to select only the proposals that have a realistic proposition of success. Anything that proposes changes to the WA needs to be ignored.IanB2 said:
Which is why it is a wrecking amendment from MPs that are trying to duck the real choices the country faces.Philip_Thompson said:I wonder how the EU would react if Malthouse got a majority in the Commons again and nothing else did again.
I think you're right though - it would be a reasonable criteria for Bercow to use.
The existing WA doesn't have that commitment so it would need to be renegotiated.0 -
Ha Ha Ha HaPhilip_Thompson said:
Of course its originally the proposal of Blairites all along that pushed hard on this until Corbyn belated adopted it.bigjohnowls said:
We have a winner Methinks unless Govt whips against #CCU with 3 Tory proposers and 3 Blairite proposers.GIN1138 said:
Shouldn't Bercow pick everything? Every single unicorn should be on the tablebigjohnowls said:I think Bercow will pick
• Labour's Brexit Plan (CU & SMA)
• Revoke A50
• 2nd Referendum
• Norway Plan (Common Market)
• Malthouse Compromise
• A No Deal Brexit
Time for everyone to lay all their cards on the table once and for all and lets see what the scoundrels have got...
Clever Clever stuff from Corbyn again.
But sure, its all Corbyn's idea. Of course it is.0 -
Stupid, stupid, stupid. It virtually guarantees no deal. I have comprehensively criticised Leavers for twisting on 18, and must criticise these misbegotten Remainers on the same grounds. This is juvenile behaviour. Just when you think MPs couldn't get lower in my estimation, they dig a deeper hole. Silly, petty, children.Barnesian said:0 -
Putting it on would be a potential spoiler from the Government's point of view.MikeL said:Will May's deal be one of the options tomorrow?
Or does Bercow rule it out as it's already been rejected?
Or does it not need to be on the list tomorrow on the basis that the Govt will bring it back separately if / when it so desires?0 -
Yes all 650 of themGIN1138 said:
If that happens after all this then it's time the HMQ to step in and tell them in the name of god go!!!Big_G_NorthWales said:
None of them will win - deadlock beckons0 -
Would be worth it to see her quote Cromwell like that!GIN1138 said:
If that happens after all this then it's time the HMQ to step in and tell them in the name of god go!!!Big_G_NorthWales said:
None of them will win - deadlock beckons0 -
It seems increasingly clear that the ERG et al. are expecting May to come along to the '22 at 5pm tomorrow and pre-announce her resignation. Yet every previously trailed dramatic announcement from May (tbf the 2017 GE excepted) has resulted in yet another "nothing has changed" homily. I can't see such going down too well tomorrow?0
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Jezza has done the groundwork Eu will bite our hand offPhilip_Thompson said:
It says "any WA and PD negotiated with the EU must include, as a minimum, a commitment to negotiate a permanent and comprehensive UK-wide customs union with the EU".MaxPB said:
No, because that says we pass the existing WA and bind the government to seek a customs union as the long term trade deal. I disagree with it, but it is definitely possible as it requires changes to the political statement, not the WA.Philip_Thompson said:
So that rules out the Customs Union amendment then.Benpointer said:
Yes that's what I thought but then again... with a sufficient extension anythings possible (ooh-er!).MaxPB said:
A rare point of agreement. Bercow needs to select only the proposals that have a realistic proposition of success. Anything that proposes changes to the WA needs to be ignored.IanB2 said:
Which is why it is a wrecking amendment from MPs that are trying to duck the real choices the country faces.Philip_Thompson said:I wonder how the EU would react if Malthouse got a majority in the Commons again and nothing else did again.
I think you're right though - it would be a reasonable criteria for Bercow to use.
The existing WA doesn't have that commitment so it would need to be renegotiated.0 -
Which gives a whole new perspective to the 'He chose unwisely' scene ...kle4 said:
Works for Indiana Jones of courseJosiasJessop said:
Off-topic:dixiedean said:
Harry Potter and the ...goes before all of them. In which our intrepid band of MPs come up with ever more incredible wheezes to ensure they are defeated...FF43 said:
One in a series of airport novels. Titles in the series include:solarflare said:Begs the question what's Malthouse Compromise Plan B?
Malthouse Compromise
Chequers Plan
Letwin Amendment
Norway Option
Many years ago, Mrs J and I realised that you could replace the last word in every title of the Harry Potter series with the word 'cum' and get a very different set of books:
Harry Potter and the Philosopher's ...
Harry Potter and the Chamber of ...
Harry Potter and the Prisoner of ...
Harry Potter and the Goblet of ...
Harry Potter and the Order of the ...
Harry Potter and the Half-Blood ...
Harry Potter and the Deathly ...
Although some work better with the word in the middle: for instance, 'Harry Potter and the Cum of the Phoenix' is a rather mind-boggling title ...
Raiders of the lost ...
Temple of ...
The last ...0 -
In fairness whenever it is trailed that the ERG or DUP might be wavering they never deliver either.IanB2 said:It seems increasingly clear that the ERG et al. are expecting May to come along to the '22 at 5pm tomorrow and pre-announce her resignation. Yet every previously trailed dramatic announcement from May (tbf the 2017 GE excepted) has resulted in yet another "nothing has changed" homily. I can't see such going down too well tomorrow?
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Those were the names of some of the Global Thermonuclear War scenarios that the WOPR computer runs through at the end of the film WargamesFF43 said:
One in a series of airport novels. Titles in the series include:solarflare said:Begs the question what's Malthouse Compromise Plan B?
Malthouse Compromise
Chequers Plan
Letwin Amendment
Norway Option0 -
Big_G versus BigJohnBig_G_NorthWales said:
I will never ever support Corbyn and all he stands forbigjohnowls said:
Is that all you got in responseBig_G_NorthWales said:
Not Corbyn's unicorns with a say in EU trade dealsbigjohnowls said:
Letwin, Ken Clarke, Sarah Newton propose #CorbynsCustomsUnionbigjohnowls said:
Seriously
Time to get behind #CorbynsCustomsUnion Big G
And you are deluded if you think Corbyn wants anything to do with the EU. He seeks no deal
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You could include it as an additional thing in another declaration. I think they've done that before with a different thing but I forget what.Philip_Thompson said:
It says "any WA and PD negotiated with the EU must include, as a minimum, a commitment to negotiate a permanent and comprehensive UK-wide customs union with the EU".MaxPB said:
No, because that says we pass the existing WA and bind the government to seek a customs union as the long term trade deal. I disagree with it, but it is definitely possible as it requires changes to the political statement, not the WA.Philip_Thompson said:
So that rules out the Customs Union amendment then.Benpointer said:
Yes that's what I thought but then again... with a sufficient extension anythings possible (ooh-er!).MaxPB said:
A rare point of agreement. Bercow needs to select only the proposals that have a realistic proposition of success. Anything that proposes changes to the WA needs to be ignored.IanB2 said:
Which is why it is a wrecking amendment from MPs that are trying to duck the real choices the country faces.Philip_Thompson said:I wonder how the EU would react if Malthouse got a majority in the Commons again and nothing else did again.
I think you're right though - it would be a reasonable criteria for Bercow to use.
The existing WA doesn't have that commitment so it would need to be renegotiated.0 -
I am increasingly confident that if it comes down to a no deal v revoke choice, up against the wall, Parliament will revoke. May knows this too, hence the statement within her speech yesterday.FF43 said:
We head to the No Deal exit. At which point the shit hits the fan. The shit needs to fly before people get serious. Will it mean May's Deal? Perhaps. EU elections and long extension? Perhaps. Revoke Article 50? That would take courage, but it would be the only more or less definitive outcome. The other two are storing up problems and decisions for later.Philip_Thompson said:I wonder how the EU would react if Malthouse got a majority in the Commons again and nothing else did again.
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Hey now, the Sinn Fein MPs are blameless at least.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Yes all 650 of themGIN1138 said:
If that happens after all this then it's time the HMQ to step in and tell them in the name of god go!!!Big_G_NorthWales said:
None of them will win - deadlock beckons0 -
It also works for Brexit:
Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Brexit
(What the Brexiteers promised)
Harry Potter and the Chamber of Brexit
(The HoC at the moment)
Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Brexit
(Which we all are)
Harry Potter and the Goblet of Brexit
(Give us back our British Goblets!)
Harry Potter and the Order of the Brexit
(The new name for the ERG)
Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Brexit
(Because leavers are too old and decrepit to fight properly)
Harry Potter and the Deathly Brexit
(Enuf said).0 -
Why did she make Amanda Spielman, a disastrous failure at OFQUAL, with no experience of working in schools and no understanding of something so basic as safeguarding procedures, HMCI?Benpointer said:
Which makes me wonder why Nicky Morgan signed it.IanB2 said:
Which is why it is a wrecking amendment from MPs that are trying to duck the real choices the country faces.Philip_Thompson said:I wonder how the EU would react if Malthouse got a majority in the Commons again and nothing else did again.
For the same reason.
Because she's an idiot.0 -
Conversely "the only winning move is not to play" feels fairly apt for BrexitRochdalePioneers said:
Those were the names of some of the Global Thermonuclear War scenarios that the WOPR computer runs through at the end of the film WargamesFF43 said:
One in a series of airport novels. Titles in the series include:solarflare said:Begs the question what's Malthouse Compromise Plan B?
Malthouse Compromise
Chequers Plan
Letwin Amendment
Norway Option0 -
You Sir have been offered a lifeline.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I will never ever support Corbyn and all he stands forbigjohnowls said:
Is that all you got in responseBig_G_NorthWales said:
Not Corbyn's unicorns with a say in EU trade dealsbigjohnowls said:
Letwin, Ken Clarke, Sarah Newton propose #CorbynsCustomsUnionbigjohnowls said:
Seriously
Time to get behind #CorbynsCustomsUnion Big G
And you are deluded if you think Corbyn wants anything to do with the EU. He seeks no deal
What the hell is wrong with the Clarke, Letwin #CCU proposal.
If its just because its #CCU. You need to grow up0 -
What should have been a process to force MPs to address the difficult choices facing the country is turning into a farcical dilemma for Bercow as every half baked crackpot way forward lands on his desk being put forward by this or that MP in a pitiful attempt to duck out of making said choices.0
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Surely the amendment has it backwards anyway. At the last moment there should be a vote to revoke, if that fails we exit with no deal. Not the other way around.viewcode said:
Stupid, stupid, stupid. It virtually guarantees no deal. I have comprehensively criticised Leavers for twisting on 18, and must criticise these misbegotten Remainers on the same grounds. This is juvenile behaviour. Just when you think MPs couldn't get lower in my estimation, they dig a deeper hole. Silly, petty, children.Barnesian said:0 -
Yes, I think they may have foolishly missed the bus, and that peak TM deal was at the 2nd attempt. However the real problem of course is not the ERG, but that Labour won't vote for the the deal, or at leadt abstain, given that there is nothing in TMs deal they actually don't agree with. The DUP have been giving the strong impression that actually they want to oppose any deal at all of the TM type and 'Remain', as long as they don't have to take any blame for it. In which case TMs deal was always doomed.Big_G_NorthWales said:Boris live on Sky just now engineering his move to back TM deal
It is comical watching ERG going into full throttle reverse and funnier still if it is too late
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Because the customs union is a terrible idea which is why neither Norway nor any other developed European nation has gone with it.bigjohnowls said:
You Sir have been offered a lifeline.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I will never ever support Corbyn and all he stands forbigjohnowls said:
Is that all you got in responseBig_G_NorthWales said:
Not Corbyn's unicorns with a say in EU trade dealsbigjohnowls said:
Letwin, Ken Clarke, Sarah Newton propose #CorbynsCustomsUnionbigjohnowls said:
Seriously
Time to get behind #CorbynsCustomsUnion Big G
And you are deluded if you think Corbyn wants anything to do with the EU. He seeks no deal
What the hell is wrong with the Clarke, Letwin #CCU proposal.
If its just because its #CCU. You need to grow up0 -
There are always problems and decisions for later.FF43 said:The other two are storing up problems and decisions for later.
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Karma's a bitch.IanB2 said:What should have been a process to force MPs to address the difficult choices facing the country is turning into a farcical dilemma for Bercow as every half baked crackpot way forward lands on his desk being put forward by this or that MP in a pitiful attempt to duck out of making said choices.
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"Strange game. The only winning move is not to play. Would you like a nice game of chess?"RochdalePioneers said:
Those were the names of some of the Global Thermonuclear War scenarios that the WOPR computer runs through at the end of the film WargamesFF43 said:
One in a series of airport novels. Titles in the series include:solarflare said:Begs the question what's Malthouse Compromise Plan B?
Malthouse Compromise
Chequers Plan
Letwin Amendment
Norway Option
(Incidentally I found out the other day that the professor is an able-bodied expy of Hawking, hence the name - Falken/falcon)0 -
Boris hinting he'll vote for the WA if May agrees to go.0
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I forecast it comes top in indicative votes (if chosen)Philip_Thompson said:
Because the customs union is a terrible idea which is why neither Norway nor any other developed European nation has gone with it.bigjohnowls said:
You Sir have been offered a lifeline.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I will never ever support Corbyn and all he stands forbigjohnowls said:
Is that all you got in responseBig_G_NorthWales said:
Not Corbyn's unicorns with a say in EU trade dealsbigjohnowls said:
Letwin, Ken Clarke, Sarah Newton propose #CorbynsCustomsUnionbigjohnowls said:
Seriously
Time to get behind #CorbynsCustomsUnion Big G
And you are deluded if you think Corbyn wants anything to do with the EU. He seeks no deal
What the hell is wrong with the Clarke, Letwin #CCU proposal.
If its just because its #CCU. You need to grow up0 -
To sum up.
The HOC has to agree a brexit that commands majority support in the HOC but that is also able to meet the 12th April deadline
TM deal, (or similar), and no deal are the only relative straight forward ones
The rest including revoke, anthing with a referendum, or a GE requires the HOC to mandate the UK EU elections, starting on the 12th April as confirmed by Mark Stone, Sky's Europe editor, today
So in 17 days we have to have reach a majority agreement for a course of action, some complicated by the EU elections, and pass relevant legislation to enact the decision
No deal or TM deal still remain the most likely by the 12th April
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And also SeanT's books.
I particularly liked: "Kissing Cum", "Millions of women are waiting to meet cum", and "The marks of cum"
And this, ladies and gentlemen, is us without any alcohol.0 -
The problem has always been that when she agrees to that it becomes public about 5 seconds later. While it is very obvious that her time as PM is effectively over in any case, I can understand procedurally things being a bit tricky if it is known that she has already stated she will leave on 1 May or whatever.IanB2 said:Boris hinting he'll vote for the WA if May agrees to go.
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I miss the 80s. All we had to worry about was nuclear war, AIDS and Den Vs Angie. But at least our MPs were grown-ups.RochdalePioneers said:
Those were the names of some of the Global Thermonuclear War scenarios that the WOPR computer runs through at the end of the film WargamesFF43 said:
One in a series of airport novels. Titles in the series include:solarflare said:Begs the question what's Malthouse Compromise Plan B?
Malthouse Compromise
Chequers Plan
Letwin Amendment
Norway Option0 -
They actually approached Hawking to be in the film but he turned the role down. Amusing considering later in life how happy he was to be in television shows etc that broadened dramatically his popular appeal.viewcode said:
"Strange game. The only winning move is not to play. Would you like a nice game of chess?"RochdalePioneers said:
Those were the names of some of the Global Thermonuclear War scenarios that the WOPR computer runs through at the end of the film WargamesFF43 said:
One in a series of airport novels. Titles in the series include:solarflare said:Begs the question what's Malthouse Compromise Plan B?
Malthouse Compromise
Chequers Plan
Letwin Amendment
Norway Option
(Incidentally I found out the other day that the professor is an able-bodied expy of Hawking, hence the name - Falken/falcon)0 -
#CCU replaces dead as a Do Do Deal tomorrow night IMOBig_G_NorthWales said:To sum up.
The HOC has to agree a brexit that commands majority support in the HOC but that is also able to meet the 12th April deadline
TM deal, (or similar), and no deal are the only relative straight forward ones
The rest including revoke, anthing with a referendum, or a GE requires the HOC to mandate the UK EU elections, starting on the 12th April as confirmed by Mark Stone, Sky's Europe editor, today
So in 17 days we have to have reach a majority agreement for a course of action, some complicated by the EU elections, and pass relevant legislation to enact the decision
No deal or TM deal still remain the most likely by the 12th April0 -
I know I'm a bitter Remoaner but revocation is genuinely the best of a set of bad choices. The alternatives are all extremely problematic. Which is not to say countermanding a democratically determined decision is good. But in business or any other way of life if you can't make a decision stack up, you put it on hold. You would be a fool to plough on regardless, simply because of the way you made the decision.IanB2 said:
I am increasingly confident that if it comes down to a no deal v revoke choice, up against the wall, Parliament will revoke. May knows this too, hence the statement within her speech yesterday.FF43 said:
We head to the No Deal exit. At which point the shit hits the fan. The shit needs to fly before people get serious. Will it mean May's Deal? Perhaps. EU elections and long extension? Perhaps. Revoke Article 50? That would take courage, but it would be the only more or less definitive outcome. The other two are storing up problems and decisions for later.Philip_Thompson said:I wonder how the EU would react if Malthouse got a majority in the Commons again and nothing else did again.
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You're applying common sense and rational analysis to a circumstance signally lacking in both...Philip_Thompson said:
Surely the amendment has it backwards anyway. At the last moment there should be a vote to revoke, if that fails we exit with no deal. Not the other way around.viewcode said:
Stupid, stupid, stupid. It virtually guarantees no deal. I have comprehensively criticised Leavers for twisting on 18, and must criticise these misbegotten Remainers on the same grounds. This is juvenile behaviour. Just when you think MPs couldn't get lower in my estimation, they dig a deeper hole. Silly, petty, children.Barnesian said:
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I feel like the poor dodo gets overmentioned as far as extinct, flightless birds go. Perhaps it could be dead as a great auk instead?bigjohnowls said:
#CCU replaces dead as a Do Do Deal tomorrow night IMOBig_G_NorthWales said:To sum up.
The HOC has to agree a brexit that commands majority support in the HOC but that is also able to meet the 12th April deadline
TM deal, (or similar), and no deal are the only relative straight forward ones
The rest including revoke, anthing with a referendum, or a GE requires the HOC to mandate the UK EU elections, starting on the 12th April as confirmed by Mark Stone, Sky's Europe editor, today
So in 17 days we have to have reach a majority agreement for a course of action, some complicated by the EU elections, and pass relevant legislation to enact the decision
No deal or TM deal still remain the most likely by the 12th April0 -
I think at 75 I have grown up and it is not like you to be personal BJObigjohnowls said:
You Sir have been offered a lifeline.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I will never ever support Corbyn and all he stands forbigjohnowls said:
Is that all you got in responseBig_G_NorthWales said:
Not Corbyn's unicorns with a say in EU trade dealsbigjohnowls said:
Letwin, Ken Clarke, Sarah Newton propose #CorbynsCustomsUnionbigjohnowls said:
Seriously
Time to get behind #CorbynsCustomsUnion Big G
And you are deluded if you think Corbyn wants anything to do with the EU. He seeks no deal
What the hell is wrong with the Clarke, Letwin #CCU proposal.
If its just because its #CCU. You need to grow up
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Indeedkle4 said:
Hey now, the Sinn Fein MPs are blameless at least.Big_G_NorthWales said:
Yes all 650 of themGIN1138 said:
If that happens after all this then it's time the HMQ to step in and tell them in the name of god go!!!Big_G_NorthWales said:
None of them will win - deadlock beckons0 -
Indeed. But here we have politicians who are not solving anything now because it is genuinely a bad set of choices saying, never mind, we will deal with it ALL later. Revocation at least delivers a concrete outcome now.initforthemoney said:
There are always problems and decisions for later.FF43 said:The other two are storing up problems and decisions for later.
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It will be unconditional by tomorrow nightIanB2 said:Boris hinting he'll vote for the WA if May agrees to go.
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I did not know that, thank you.Philip_Thompson said:
They actually approached Hawking to be in the film but he turned the role down. Amusing considering later in life how happy he was to be in television shows etc that broadened dramatically his popular appeal.viewcode said:
"Strange game. The only winning move is not to play. Would you like a nice game of chess?"RochdalePioneers said:
Those were the names of some of the Global Thermonuclear War scenarios that the WOPR computer runs through at the end of the film WargamesFF43 said:
One in a series of airport novels. Titles in the series include:solarflare said:Begs the question what's Malthouse Compromise Plan B?
Malthouse Compromise
Chequers Plan
Letwin Amendment
Norway Option
(Incidentally I found out the other day that the professor is an able-bodied expy of Hawking, hence the name - Falken/falcon)0 -
The entire US media seems to think he will. Is that wishful thinking because he has a decent chance of beating Trump if he does run or are they attempting to give an unvarnished assessment of what they see as a racing cert.AlastairMeeks said:I think there’s still a fair chance he won’t run.
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The power of government to duck the hard choices facing the country has simply moved to MPs who are doing their best to duck the same hard choices. Bercow could force MPs back to reality but does he have the political capital to be able to do so, when so many are in denial?
Revocation is looking increasingly sensible.0 -
Or perhaps as an Aurochs?kle4 said:
I feel like the poor dodo gets overmentioned as far as extinct, flightless birds go. Perhaps it could be dead as a great auk instead?bigjohnowls said:
#CCU replaces dead as a Do Do Deal tomorrow night IMOBig_G_NorthWales said:To sum up.
The HOC has to agree a brexit that commands majority support in the HOC but that is also able to meet the 12th April deadline
TM deal, (or similar), and no deal are the only relative straight forward ones
The rest including revoke, anthing with a referendum, or a GE requires the HOC to mandate the UK EU elections, starting on the 12th April as confirmed by Mark Stone, Sky's Europe editor, today
So in 17 days we have to have reach a majority agreement for a course of action, some complicated by the EU elections, and pass relevant legislation to enact the decision
No deal or TM deal still remain the most likely by the 12th April0 -
I've just laughed so much that my skull aches!JosiasJessop said:
Off-topic:dixiedean said:
Harry Potter and the ...goes before all of them. In which our intrepid band of MPs come up with ever more incredible wheezes to ensure they are defeated...FF43 said:
One in a series of airport novels. Titles in the series include:solarflare said:Begs the question what's Malthouse Compromise Plan B?
Malthouse Compromise
Chequers Plan
Letwin Amendment
Norway Option
Many years ago, Mrs J and I realised that you could replace the last word in every title of the Harry Potter series with the word 'cum' and get a very different set of books:
Harry Potter and the Philosopher's ...
Harry Potter and the Chamber of ...
Harry Potter and the Prisoner of ...
Harry Potter and the Goblet of ...
Harry Potter and the Order of the ...
Harry Potter and the Half-Blood ...
Harry Potter and the Deathly ...
Although some work better with the word in the middle: for instance, 'Harry Potter and the Cum of the Phoenix' is a rather mind-boggling title ...0 -
The country already made the hard choice. So has the government to a degree... parliament is making the easy choice of ignoring it and hoping it will go away, like a smoker deciding not to give up after the doctor told him to... it will catch up with them in the endIanB2 said:The power of government to duck the hard choices facing the country has simply moved to MPs who are doing their best to duck the same hard choices. Bercow could force MPs back to reality but does he have the political capital to be able to do so, when so many are in denial?
Revocation is looking increasingly sensible.0 -
Hang on, at least let them have the votes first, at least there's a plan to move from straight votes to whatever ranking preference plan they're coming up with to try and find some sort of consensus.IanB2 said:The power of government to duck the hard choices facing the country has simply moved to MPs who are doing their best to duck the same hard choices.
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It would be sensible but toxic as wellIanB2 said:The power of government to duck the hard choices facing the country has simply moved to MPs who are doing their best to duck the same hard choices. Bercow could force MPs back to reality but does he have the political capital to be able to do so, when so many are in denial?
Revocation is looking increasingly sensible.0 -
You can tell if an amendment might pass by the signatories. Letwin is probably around the median vote and hasn't put his name to the amendment.Philip_Thompson said:
Surely the amendment has it backwards anyway. At the last moment there should be a vote to revoke, if that fails we exit with no deal. Not the other way around.viewcode said:
Stupid, stupid, stupid. It virtually guarantees no deal. I have comprehensively criticised Leavers for twisting on 18, and must criticise these misbegotten Remainers on the same grounds. This is juvenile behaviour. Just when you think MPs couldn't get lower in my estimation, they dig a deeper hole. Silly, petty, children.Barnesian said:0 -
Which further proves that Boris is an unprincipled chancer willing to sacrifice the national interest for his own personal advancement. Either the deal is in the national interest, in which case he should support it. Or it is not, in which case he should oppose it. The identity of the PM has no bearing on the acceptability of the deal.IanB2 said:Boris hinting he'll vote for the WA if May agrees to go.
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...which again opens the possibility of "no deal". Jeez, what a mess.williamglenn said:0 -
The mask slips even further.williamglenn said:
There's zero intention to honour either the referendum result or the 2017 manifesto.0 -
Or Tibbles, the lighthouse owner's cat, who reputedly single-handedly made the Stephens Island Wren extinct. (Tibbles may have had some help from other feral cats.)kle4 said:
I feel like the poor dodo gets overmentioned as far as extinct, flightless birds go. Perhaps it could be dead as a great auk instead?bigjohnowls said:
#CCU replaces dead as a Do Do Deal tomorrow night IMOBig_G_NorthWales said:To sum up.
The HOC has to agree a brexit that commands majority support in the HOC but that is also able to meet the 12th April deadline
TM deal, (or similar), and no deal are the only relative straight forward ones
The rest including revoke, anthing with a referendum, or a GE requires the HOC to mandate the UK EU elections, starting on the 12th April as confirmed by Mark Stone, Sky's Europe editor, today
So in 17 days we have to have reach a majority agreement for a course of action, some complicated by the EU elections, and pass relevant legislation to enact the decision
No deal or TM deal still remain the most likely by the 12th April0 -
No deal is becoming very real sadlyviewcode said:
...which again opens the possibility of "no deal". Jeez, what a mess.williamglenn said:0 -
How?viewcode said:
...which again opens the possibility of "no deal". Jeez, what a mess.williamglenn said:0 -
Ffsake 2nd ref is now being labelled as "confirmatory"...
If Corbyn wins the next GE do we get a confirmatory referendum where he 'll need over 50% to approve him getting in ? Obviously the alternative is the Tory status quo.0 -
It does make you wonder how many serious legal challenges will happen no matter what the mps decide to do
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You sound like legal defence for poor Tibbles trying to argue reasonable doubt.MarqueeMark said:
Or Tibbles, the lighthouse owner's cat, who reputedly single-handedly made the Stephens Island Wren extinct. (Tibbles may have had some help from other feral cats.)kle4 said:
I feel like the poor dodo gets overmentioned as far as extinct, flightless birds go. Perhaps it could be dead as a great auk instead?bigjohnowls said:
#CCU replaces dead as a Do Do Deal tomorrow night IMOBig_G_NorthWales said:To sum up.
The HOC has to agree a brexit that commands majority support in the HOC but that is also able to meet the 12th April deadline
TM deal, (or similar), and no deal are the only relative straight forward ones
The rest including revoke, anthing with a referendum, or a GE requires the HOC to mandate the UK EU elections, starting on the 12th April as confirmed by Mark Stone, Sky's Europe editor, today
So in 17 days we have to have reach a majority agreement for a course of action, some complicated by the EU elections, and pass relevant legislation to enact the decision
No deal or TM deal still remain the most likely by the 12th April0 -
Thought that might happen with Labour. They don't really want Brexit with a Customs Union, they just needed to differentiate themselves from the Tories once May went down the soft Brexit route. Thus they've moved their attention to another alternative which has no chance of passing.0
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People seem to have hit on the idea that using confirmatory sells better than 'remain remain remain, no matter how we get it'. Though that last one is increasing in popuarity anyway.Pulpstar said:Ffsake 2nd ref is now being labelled as "confirmatory"...
If Corbyn wins the next GE do we get a confirmatory referendum where he 'll need over 50% to approve him getting in ? Obviously the alternative is the Tory status quo.0 -
Cynical, but possibly effective, and as you say very predictable.Artist said:Thought that might happen with Labour. They don't really want Brexit with a Customs Union, they just needed to differentiate themselves from the Tories once May went down the soft Brexit route. Thus they've moved their attention to another alternative which has no chance of passing.
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The idea a second referendum will feature in any GE post 12th April assumes we will have sitting MEPsPulpstar said:Ffsake 2nd ref is now being labelled as "confirmatory"...
If Corbyn wins the next GE do we get a confirmatory referendum where he 'll need over 50% to approve him getting in ? Obviously the alternative is the Tory status quo.0 -
Indeed.viewcode said:
...which again opens the possibility of "no deal". Jeez, what a mess.williamglenn said:
The argument for a GE, which just might produce a majority government, or at least a working coalition grows by the hour.0 -
What happens if the people say no?Benpointer said:
How?viewcode said:
...which again opens the possibility of "no deal". Jeez, what a mess.williamglenn said:0 -
The front bench is an absolute disgrace. At least Lucy Powell, Stephen Kinnock and a few others have genuinely been trying to work cross party on the most important matter in years in the house.Artist said:Thought that might happen with Labour. They don't really want Brexit with a Customs Union, they just needed to differentiate themselves from the Tories once May went down the soft Brexit route. Thus they've moved their attention to another alternative which has no chance of passing.
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Much easier for MPs to say they voted against No Deal rather than for Revoke.Philip_Thompson said:
Surely the amendment has it backwards anyway. At the last moment there should be a vote to revoke, if that fails we exit with no deal. Not the other way around.viewcode said:
Stupid, stupid, stupid. It virtually guarantees no deal. I have comprehensively criticised Leavers for twisting on 18, and must criticise these misbegotten Remainers on the same grounds. This is juvenile behaviour. Just when you think MPs couldn't get lower in my estimation, they dig a deeper hole. Silly, petty, children.Barnesian said:0 -
May doesn't do consensus.solarflare said:
Hang on, at least let them have the votes first, at least there's a plan to move from straight votes to whatever ranking preference plan they're coming up with to try and find some sort of consensus.IanB2 said:The power of government to duck the hard choices facing the country has simply moved to MPs who are doing their best to duck the same hard choices.
Corbyn doesn't do consensus.
The SNP doesn't do consensus.
Ranking unicorns by height won't solve anything.0 -
Does one rank unicorns by height with or without the horn?TudorRose said:
May doesn't do consensus.solarflare said:
Hang on, at least let them have the votes first, at least there's a plan to move from straight votes to whatever ranking preference plan they're coming up with to try and find some sort of consensus.IanB2 said:The power of government to duck the hard choices facing the country has simply moved to MPs who are doing their best to duck the same hard choices.
Corbyn doesn't do consensus.
The SNP doesn't do consensus.
Ranking unicorns by height won't solve anything.0 -
RevokeMaxPB said:
What happens if the people say no?Benpointer said:
How?viewcode said:
...which again opens the possibility of "no deal". Jeez, what a mess.williamglenn said:0 -
No positive motion passes HoC in time for it to be confirmed by referendum before 12 April, no EuCo-UK agreement struck for long extension, bingo.Benpointer said:
How?viewcode said:
...which again opens the possibility of "no deal". Jeez, what a mess.williamglenn said:0 -
The House of Commons is a, & is in, complete disgrace.
The grandest establishment of the land is acting like a celebrity getting off a ban for speeding on a technicality by hiring an expensive lawyer, filibustering the voters in order to deny them what was promised to be ‘your decision’ in a ‘once in a generation vote’. Absolutely disgusting.0 -
Best to keep your unicorn proclivities and fantasies to yourselfPro_Rata said:
Does one rank unicorns by height with or without the horn?TudorRose said:
May doesn't do consensus.solarflare said:
Hang on, at least let them have the votes first, at least there's a plan to move from straight votes to whatever ranking preference plan they're coming up with to try and find some sort of consensus.IanB2 said:The power of government to duck the hard choices facing the country has simply moved to MPs who are doing their best to duck the same hard choices.
Corbyn doesn't do consensus.
The SNP doesn't do consensus.
Ranking unicorns by height won't solve anything.0 -
Which the public may not like. But politicians do. They like elections. They also like well-paid jobs for the party faithful. Not convinced it is an insurmountable hurdle.Big_G_NorthWales said:
The idea a second referendum will feature in any GE post 12th April assumes we will have sitting MEPsPulpstar said:Ffsake 2nd ref is now being labelled as "confirmatory"...
If Corbyn wins the next GE do we get a confirmatory referendum where he 'll need over 50% to approve him getting in ? Obviously the alternative is the Tory status quo.
Besides. If we are still in, we should have representatives. To not have would be the worst of all outcomes.0 -
Where does it say that? The decision (or indecision) just goes back to parliament. Approval is a straight yes/no question.Benpointer said:
RevokeMaxPB said:
What happens if the people say no?Benpointer said:
How?viewcode said:
...which again opens the possibility of "no deal". Jeez, what a mess.williamglenn said:0 -
Also, does this apply whenever the public appears to change its mind on anything they had a vote on. i.e. whoever wins the GE do we get the opportunity to vote again as soon as the opinion polls turn against the government of the day?Pulpstar said:Ffsake 2nd ref is now being labelled as "confirmatory"...
If Corbyn wins the next GE do we get a confirmatory referendum where he 'll need over 50% to approve him getting in ? Obviously the alternative is the Tory status quo.
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Can’t hear you over all that ridiculous rhetoric.isam said:The House of Commons is a, & is in, complete disgrace.
The grandest establishment of the land is acting like a celebrity getting off a ban for speeding on a technicality by hiring an expensive lawyer, filibustering the voters in order to deny them what was promised to be ‘your decision’ in a ‘once in a generation vote’. Absolutely disgusting.0 -
Look, Mummy, no Hands.philiph said:
Best to keep your unicorn proclivities and fantasies to yourselfPro_Rata said:
Does one rank unicorns by height with or without the horn?TudorRose said:
May doesn't do consensus.solarflare said:
Hang on, at least let them have the votes first, at least there's a plan to move from straight votes to whatever ranking preference plan they're coming up with to try and find some sort of consensus.IanB2 said:The power of government to duck the hard choices facing the country has simply moved to MPs who are doing their best to duck the same hard choices.
Corbyn doesn't do consensus.
The SNP doesn't do consensus.
Ranking unicorns by height won't solve anything.0
