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First; wow what a morning after such a night. I cannot understand why Mrs May does not resign.0
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Third like Boris0
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Everyone hates Boris, our new Moses.OldKingCole said:First; wow what a morning after such a night. I cannot understand why Mrs May does not resign.
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There's a general feeling he isn't being Pharoah about Brexit.IanB2 said:
Everyone hates Boris, our new Moses.OldKingCole said:First; wow what a morning after such a night. I cannot understand why Mrs May does not resign.
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Why would she resign? She's still PM, she can still win confidence votes.OldKingCole said:First; wow what a morning after such a night. I cannot understand why Mrs May does not resign.
She's no longer in charge of implementing Brexit, but who would want to be in charge of implementing Brexit?0 -
To continue the Civil War analogy from a thread or two ago, has a new Oliver come to save us from a leader who appears to believe she's been anointed by God to lead?0
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Because she might "enjoy" watching MPs make a bigger horlicks of it than she has?OldKingCole said:First; wow what a morning after such a night. I cannot understand why Mrs May does not resign.
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So IIUC Letwin gets to choose the voting system, so he can basically choose the result.
* FPTP: TMay's deal
* AV: Customs Union
- Condorcet: TMay's deal subject to Remain vs Leave referendum
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No doubt a very long time in the works - but still not great news for Boeing:
https://twitter.com/AlexInAir/status/11102366136097054740 -
Are you saying that the Commons would, effectively, say to her that she can run the country, but not be in charge of its most important issue of the early(isn, anyway) 21st Century?edmundintokyo said:
Why would she resign? She's still PM, she can still win confidence votes.OldKingCole said:First; wow what a morning after such a night. I cannot understand why Mrs May does not resign.
She's no longer in charge of implementing Brexit, but who would want to be in charge of implementing Brexit?0 -
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He is in de-Nileydoethur said:
There's a general feeling he isn't being Pharoah about Brexit.IanB2 said:
Everyone hates Boris, our new Moses.OldKingCole said:First; wow what a morning after such a night. I cannot understand why Mrs May does not resign.
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Yeah, why not? I mean, imagine there was no Brexit. She'd still want to be Prime Minister, right? It's even better than that, because everybody's got their eyes focused on Brexit, so for everything else she can do what she likes.OldKingCole said:
Are you saying that the Commons would, effectively, say to her that she can run the country, but not be in charge of its most important issue of the early(isn, anyway) 21st Century?edmundintokyo said:
Why would she resign? She's still PM, she can still win confidence votes.OldKingCole said:First; wow what a morning after such a night. I cannot understand why Mrs May does not resign.
She's no longer in charge of implementing Brexit, but who would want to be in charge of implementing Brexit?0 -
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Hilary Benn on R4 appears to be describing something very like thisIanB2 said:There would be some logic in allowing MPs multiple votes, so that they could indicate a preference for all those options they were prepared to support. This might be a better way to identify where the consensus lies than forcing everyone to a first choice and then trying to transfer the votes about. In Letwin's place I would do that first and publish the results to inform whatever exhaustive or transferable process they decide to use.
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And he delta very bad hand to May, and indeed the rest of us.SquareRoot said:
He is in de-Nileydoethur said:
There's a general feeling he isn't being Pharoah about Brexit.IanB2 said:
Everyone hates Boris, our new Moses.OldKingCole said:First; wow what a morning after such a night. I cannot understand why Mrs May does not resign.
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Would the paper ballot be anonymous?Scott_P said:
Would it be whipped?0 -
I've never named my ballot papers. Don't generally have them long enough. And I'm assuming if you whip paper it tears, so that would seem pointless.Gardenwalker said:0 -
Boris is like a bul-rush in a china shopydoethur said:
And he delta very bad hand to May, and indeed the rest of us.SquareRoot said:
He is in de-Nileydoethur said:
There's a general feeling he isn't being Pharoah about Brexit.IanB2 said:
Everyone hates Boris, our new Moses.OldKingCole said:First; wow what a morning after such a night. I cannot understand why Mrs May does not resign.
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Bercow was totally out of order last night in his comments on Greg Hands. I hope that, if we can get Brexit out of the way, he will announce his retirement.0
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If he thinks he can just Toot-and-come-in to 10 Downing Street he should think again.SquareRoot said:
Boris is like a bul-rush in a china shopydoethur said:
And he delta very bad hand to May, and indeed the rest of us.SquareRoot said:
He is in de-Nileydoethur said:
There's a general feeling he isn't being Pharoah about Brexit.IanB2 said:
Everyone hates Boris, our new Moses.OldKingCole said:First; wow what a morning after such a night. I cannot understand why Mrs May does not resign.
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He's certainly made politics into a basket case.SquareRoot said:
Boris is like a bul-rush in a china shopydoethur said:
And he delta very bad hand to May, and indeed the rest of us.SquareRoot said:
He is in de-Nileydoethur said:
There's a general feeling he isn't being Pharoah about Brexit.IanB2 said:
Everyone hates Boris, our new Moses.OldKingCole said:First; wow what a morning after such a night. I cannot understand why Mrs May does not resign.
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So he's been given the bums-rush?SquareRoot said:
Boris is like a bul-rush in a china shopydoethur said:
And he delta very bad hand to May, and indeed the rest of us.SquareRoot said:
He is in de-Nileydoethur said:
There's a general feeling he isn't being Pharoah about Brexit.IanB2 said:
Everyone hates Boris, our new Moses.OldKingCole said:First; wow what a morning after such a night. I cannot understand why Mrs May does not resign.
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I see Boris writing in today's Telegraph still believes no deal can have a two year transition period.0
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He is a Testament as to how not to do itydoethur said:
He's certainly made politics into a basket case.SquareRoot said:
Boris is like a bul-rush in a china shopydoethur said:
And he delta very bad hand to May, and indeed the rest of us.SquareRoot said:
He is in de-Nileydoethur said:
There's a general feeling he isn't being Pharoah about Brexit.IanB2 said:
Everyone hates Boris, our new Moses.OldKingCole said:First; wow what a morning after such a night. I cannot understand why Mrs May does not resign.
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So what is the next stage in this farce? Presumably the Commons will vote for a second referendum or, at the least, a confirmatory referendum seeking approval of any deal that is done with an alternative of remain before departure? What will May do then?
Have the ERG worked out they've lost yet or is that still much for them to grasp? Idiots doesn't come close.0 -
Corbyn is described as a virgin, despite all the wives?CarlottaVance said:
And the assumption that May will lead the Tories into any early GE should nicely wake up PB Tories this fine morning?
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Good morning, everyone.
Finally, a triumph for democracy as the People's Representatives seek to overturn the decadent populism of the electorate.
Given how things have progressed generally, I anticipate the worst possible outcome (probably leaving in name only, with a campaign to rejoin and be shackled into the single currency. Oh, and the rise of the far right).0 -
The two scenarios that seem to be rising in probability are May's deal, on the basis that the ERG and DUP finally smell the coffee, or a GE, on the basis that the clash between Parliament's preference and Government preference can't otherwise be resolved.DavidL said:So what is the next stage in this farce? Presumably the Commons will vote for a second referendum or, at the least, a confirmatory referendum seeking approval of any deal that is done with an alternative of remain before departure? What will May do then?
Have the ERG worked out they've lost yet or is that still much for them to grasp? Idiots doesn't come close.
Problem with May's deal is that just as she wins over her extremists she is losing Labour and Tory remainer support. They now have alternatives to root for.0 -
Doesn't it worry you that you'll be led by Vince Cable? Serious question.IanB2 said:
Corbyn is described as a virgin, despite all the wives?CarlottaVance said:
And the assumption that May will lead the Tories into any early GE should nicely wake up PB Tories this fine morning?0 -
Looks like parliament are going to reverse Brexit.
Phew!
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Definitely. He's due to be replaced in May as I understand it. Depends on when the election comes.ydoethur said:
Doesn't it worry you that you'll be led by Vince Cable? Serious question.IanB2 said:
Corbyn is described as a virgin, despite all the wives?CarlottaVance said:
And the assumption that May will lead the Tories into any early GE should nicely wake up PB Tories this fine morning?0 -
The way things are going, he might be replaced BY May!IanB2 said:
Definitely. He's due to be replaced in May as I understand it. Depends on when the election comes.ydoethur said:
Doesn't it worry you that you'll be led by Vince Cable? Serious question.IanB2 said:
Corbyn is described as a virgin, despite all the wives?CarlottaVance said:
And the assumption that May will lead the Tories into any early GE should nicely wake up PB Tories this fine morning?0 -
The irony is her having appointed Boris as FS and then taking the biggest foreign issue away from the FCOOldKingCole said:
Are you saying that the Commons would, effectively, say to her that she can run the country, but not be in charge of its most important issue of the early(isn, anyway) 21st Century?edmundintokyo said:
Why would she resign? She's still PM, she can still win confidence votes.OldKingCole said:First; wow what a morning after such a night. I cannot understand why Mrs May does not resign.
She's no longer in charge of implementing Brexit, but who would want to be in charge of implementing Brexit?0 -
Given that we have experts on here can anyone explain how a plane destined for Germany managed to end up in Edinburgh? Would they not have had to lodge the wrong flight plan as well, otherwise they would presumably have been notified that they were off course at an early stage? How on earth could that not be noticed? How did they manage to get a landing slot at Edinburgh? It just seems really, really strange.0
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Benn said secret at the time but published afterwards.Gardenwalker said:
So not so easy to whip, although both Labour and Tory are struggling to relinquish the habit.0 -
I'd just like to know why nobody was actually checking boarding passes. Gross breach of security.DavidL said:Given that we have experts on here can anyone explain how a plane destined for Germany managed to end up in Edinburgh? Would they not have had to lodge the wrong flight plan as well, otherwise they would presumably have been notified that they were off course at an early stage? How on earth could that not be noticed? How did they manage to get a landing slot at Edinburgh? It just seems really, really strange.
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Well you couldn't trust Boris with it. He is a buffoon.IanB2 said:
The irony is her having appointed Boris as FS and then taking the biggest foreign issue away from the FCOOldKingCole said:
Are you saying that the Commons would, effectively, say to her that she can run the country, but not be in charge of its most important issue of the early(isn, anyway) 21st Century?edmundintokyo said:
Why would she resign? She's still PM, she can still win confidence votes.OldKingCole said:First; wow what a morning after such a night. I cannot understand why Mrs May does not resign.
She's no longer in charge of implementing Brexit, but who would want to be in charge of implementing Brexit?0 -
They did lodge the wrong flight plan, then followed it. The airlines have template docs for the flights they make regularly in the cockpit, and it appears as simple as having pulled out the wrong set of papers.DavidL said:Given that we have experts on here can anyone explain how a plane destined for Germany managed to end up in Edinburgh? Would they not have had to lodge the wrong flight plan as well, otherwise they would presumably have been notified that they were off course at an early stage? How on earth could that not be noticed? How did they manage to get a landing slot at Edinburgh? It just seems really, really strange.
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He made a desert and he called it peaceydoethur said:
And he delta very bad hand to May, and indeed the rest of us.SquareRoot said:
He is in de-Nileydoethur said:
There's a general feeling he isn't being Pharoah about Brexit.IanB2 said:
Everyone hates Boris, our new Moses.OldKingCole said:First; wow what a morning after such a night. I cannot understand why Mrs May does not resign.
(I know that’s about France but it’s still my favourite bit of political knockabout, along with Distaeli’s “range of exhausted volcanos”)0 -
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👏Gardenwalker said:
If he thinks he can just Toot-and-come-in to 10 Downing Street he should think again.SquareRoot said:
Boris is like a bul-rush in a china shopydoethur said:
And he delta very bad hand to May, and indeed the rest of us.SquareRoot said:
He is in de-Nileydoethur said:
There's a general feeling he isn't being Pharoah about Brexit.IanB2 said:
Everyone hates Boris, our new Moses.OldKingCole said:First; wow what a morning after such a night. I cannot understand why Mrs May does not resign.
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Ouch 🙉Gardenwalker said:
If he thinks he can just Toot-and-come-in to 10 Downing Street he should think again.SquareRoot said:
Boris is like a bul-rush in a china shopydoethur said:
And he delta very bad hand to May, and indeed the rest of us.SquareRoot said:
He is in de-Nileydoethur said:
There's a general feeling he isn't being Pharoah about Brexit.IanB2 said:
Everyone hates Boris, our new Moses.OldKingCole said:First; wow what a morning after such a night. I cannot understand why Mrs May does not resign.
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https://twitter.com/ProfTimBale/status/1110441204381032448
If Brexit is a spasm of English Nationalism, is Revoke a spasm of English internationalism?
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Still amazed they got a landing slot without Edinburgh asking what the hell was going on.IanB2 said:
They did lodge the wrong flight plan, then followed it. The airlines have template docs for the flights they make regularly in the cockpit, and it appears as simple as having pulled out the wrong set of papers.DavidL said:Given that we have experts on here can anyone explain how a plane destined for Germany managed to end up in Edinburgh? Would they not have had to lodge the wrong flight plan as well, otherwise they would presumably have been notified that they were off course at an early stage? How on earth could that not be noticed? How did they manage to get a landing slot at Edinburgh? It just seems really, really strange.
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Mons Graupius was in France? Is that why we've never been able to find the bloody place? All these years of looking in Scotland...Charles said:
He made a desert and he called it peaceydoethur said:
And he delta very bad hand to May, and indeed the rest of us.SquareRoot said:
He is in de-Nileydoethur said:
There's a general feeling he isn't being Pharoah about Brexit.IanB2 said:
Everyone hates Boris, our new Moses.OldKingCole said:First; wow what a morning after such a night. I cannot understand why Mrs May does not resign.
(I know that’s about France but it’s still my favourite bit of political knockabout, along with Distaeli’s “range of exhausted volcanos”)0 -
Mr B2
"the clash between Parliament's preference and Government preference."
There's something far worse coming. It's the clash between voters' given preference and the MP's preference, despite the MP's lying promises. They promised to honour the referendum result. You might remember that - it was all over the newspapers not long ago.
By comparison the LDs' promise about tuition fees was less brazen. At least they had the excuse of the coalition where they were only the junior partner. And this time, they were honestly anti-democratic from the beginning.
The EU and our future in it is now irrelevant by comparison. MPs are forever tarnished by this.
Expenses … a mere bagatelle. The world looks on and grimaces.0 -
Which is why there will probably be a referendum at the end, to confirm the voters' preference.CD13 said:Mr B2
"the clash between Parliament's preference and Government preference."
There's something far worse coming. It's the clash between voters' given preference and the MP's preference, despite the MP's lying promises. They promised to honour the referendum result. You might remember that - it was all over the newspapers not long ago.
By comparison the LDs' promise about tuition fees was less brazen. At least they had the excuse of the coalition where they were only the junior partner. And this time, they were honestly anti-democratic from the beginning.
The EU and our future in it is now irrelevant by comparison. MPs are forever tarnished by this.
Expenses … a mere bagatelle. The world looks on and grimaces.0 -
You say thicket, I say reality.DavidL said:
Did you ever seriously doubt it? Just look at the thicket of additional hurdles that have been erected over the last 3 years.Roger said:Looks like parliament are going to reverse Brexit.
Phew!
I mean BMW didn’t force Merkel to give us a good deal nor did we hold all the cards.0 -
Why? When the flight plan was filed they got added to expected arrivals in Edinburgh. ATC at airports hasn't got time to check the incoming flights against the airline timetable.DavidL said:
Still amazed they got a landing slot without Edinburgh asking what the hell was going on.IanB2 said:
They did lodge the wrong flight plan, then followed it. The airlines have template docs for the flights they make regularly in the cockpit, and it appears as simple as having pulled out the wrong set of papers.DavidL said:Given that we have experts on here can anyone explain how a plane destined for Germany managed to end up in Edinburgh? Would they not have had to lodge the wrong flight plan as well, otherwise they would presumably have been notified that they were off course at an early stage? How on earth could that not be noticed? How did they manage to get a landing slot at Edinburgh? It just seems really, really strange.
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The previous day they flew to Edinburgh. Someone filed the previous day's flight plan by mistake. Mind you, if they'd been RyanAir they'd have simply said "Welcome to Dusseldorf (Turnhouse)!DavidL said:Given that we have experts on here can anyone explain how a plane destined for Germany managed to end up in Edinburgh? Would they not have had to lodge the wrong flight plan as well, otherwise they would presumably have been notified that they were off course at an early stage? How on earth could that not be noticed? How did they manage to get a landing slot at Edinburgh? It just seems really, really strange.
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+1 - that was the best of a sorry parade.....Charles said:
👏Gardenwalker said:
If he thinks he can just Toot-and-come-in to 10 Downing Street he should think again.SquareRoot said:
Boris is like a bul-rush in a china shopydoethur said:
And he delta very bad hand to May, and indeed the rest of us.SquareRoot said:
He is in de-Nileydoethur said:
There's a general feeling he isn't being Pharoah about Brexit.IanB2 said:
Everyone hates Boris, our new Moses.OldKingCole said:First; wow what a morning after such a night. I cannot understand why Mrs May does not resign.
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Indeed, there are knaves on all sides.TheScreamingEagles said:
You say thicket, I say reality.DavidL said:
Did you ever seriously doubt it? Just look at the thicket of additional hurdles that have been erected over the last 3 years.Roger said:Looks like parliament are going to reverse Brexit.
Phew!
I mean BMW didn’t force Merkel to give us a good deal nor did we hold all the cards.0 -
The irony is that they did. May got a deal which gave BMW unrestricted access to our market without tariffs for at least the transitional period and probably much longer. On the upside we got the continued glories of a £60bn a year trade deficit without having to pay for being members. I think that's called a win win.TheScreamingEagles said:
You say thicket, I say reality.DavidL said:
Did you ever seriously doubt it? Just look at the thicket of additional hurdles that have been erected over the last 3 years.Roger said:Looks like parliament are going to reverse Brexit.
Phew!
I mean BMW didn’t force Merkel to give us a good deal nor did we hold all the cards.0 -
Mr. B2, should hold said referendum this year (for reasons of my wallet). That said, if I were plotting this particular scheme I'd go for a 2-3 year extension, then have the referendum as late as possible.0
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BA said in a statement that the pilot was “following orders from Germany”DavidL said:Given that we have experts on here can anyone explain how a plane destined for Germany managed to end up in Edinburgh? Would they not have had to lodge the wrong flight plan as well, otherwise they would presumably have been notified that they were off course at an early stage? How on earth could that not be noticed? How did they manage to get a landing slot at Edinburgh? It just seems really, really strange.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/business/2019/mar/25/british-airways-flight-dusseldorf-lands-edinburgh--mistake
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I think the cabin crew knew it was a dusseldorf flight, just the pilots who didn't!ydoethur said:
I'd just like to know why nobody was actually checking boarding passes. Gross breach of security.DavidL said:Given that we have experts on here can anyone explain how a plane destined for Germany managed to end up in Edinburgh? Would they not have had to lodge the wrong flight plan as well, otherwise they would presumably have been notified that they were off course at an early stage? How on earth could that not be noticed? How did they manage to get a landing slot at Edinburgh? It just seems really, really strange.
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Very worrying.. "I was only obeying orders" YikesCharles said:
BA said in a statement that the pilot was “following orders from Germany”DavidL said:Given that we have experts on here can anyone explain how a plane destined for Germany managed to end up in Edinburgh? Would they not have had to lodge the wrong flight plan as well, otherwise they would presumably have been notified that they were off course at an early stage? How on earth could that not be noticed? How did they manage to get a landing slot at Edinburgh? It just seems really, really strange.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/business/2019/mar/25/british-airways-flight-dusseldorf-lands-edinburgh--mistake0 -
Those in Northern Ireland and Scotland who are opposed to Brexit because it is a spasm of English nationalism have another option as an escape route from Brexit, independence from England.CarlottaVance said:https://twitter.com/ProfTimBale/status/1110441204381032448
If Brexit is a spasm of English Nationalism, is Revoke a spasm of English internationalism?
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Stephen Lloyd takes the LD whip again and stands for Leader?CD13 said:Mr B2
"the clash between Parliament's preference and Government preference."
There's something far worse coming. It's the clash between voters' given preference and the MP's preference, despite the MP's lying promises. They promised to honour the referendum result. You might remember that - it was all over the newspapers not long ago.
By comparison the LDs' promise about tuition fees was less brazen. At least they had the excuse of the coalition where they were only the junior partner. And this time, they were honestly anti-democratic from the beginning.
The EU and our future in it is now irrelevant by comparison. MPs are forever tarnished by this.
Expenses … a mere bagatelle. The world looks on and grimaces.0 -
I wonder how many Tory MPs have just had a sleepless night?
Those days of December when they celebrated having seen off Boris must seem a long, long time ago. And for what? Power. Employment. Party. All heading down the pan.0 -
They could have laid on a transfer bus and charged passengers £50 quid each for the trip to Düsseldorf. When I went to Oslo with RyanAir the bus took hours to get into the city and appeared to be serving as a local bus service stopping at towns en route as well.CarlottaVance said:
The previous day they flew to Edinburgh. Someone filed the previous day's flight plan by mistake. Mind you, if they'd been RyanAir they'd have simply said "Welcome to Dusseldorf (Turnhouse)!DavidL said:Given that we have experts on here can anyone explain how a plane destined for Germany managed to end up in Edinburgh? Would they not have had to lodge the wrong flight plan as well, otherwise they would presumably have been notified that they were off course at an early stage? How on earth could that not be noticed? How did they manage to get a landing slot at Edinburgh? It just seems really, really strange.
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I'm surprised by the additional hurdles leavers have placed in the way of their project. Makes you wonder if they ever really wanted to succeed.DavidL said:
Did you ever seriously doubt it? Just look at the thicket of additional hurdles that have been erected over the last 3 years.Roger said:Looks like parliament are going to reverse Brexit.
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Come on @ydoethur, call a spade a spade. Or don't you have the heart to make trumps this morning? Did you waste all your diamond wit on Egypt? Not like you to miss a punning club.ydoethur said:
Indeed, there are knaves on all sides.TheScreamingEagles said:
You say thicket, I say reality.DavidL said:
Did you ever seriously doubt it? Just look at the thicket of additional hurdles that have been erected over the last 3 years.Roger said:Looks like parliament are going to reverse Brexit.
Phew!
I mean BMW didn’t force Merkel to give us a good deal nor did we hold all the cards.0 -
I'm not sure the coffee the same for DUP and ERG. In extremis, the ERG could accept the Irish backstop as something to work around. The DUP never. Which means May's Deal would get most but not all Conservative MPs, no DUP and a handful of Labour MPs. The numbers aren't there without Labour being substantially on board. To do that May has to cut the ERG loose and it might not work even so.IanB2 said:
The two scenarios that seem to be rising in probability are May's deal, on the basis that the ERG and DUP finally smell the coffee, or a GE, on the basis that the clash between Parliament's preference and Government preference can't otherwise be resolved.DavidL said:So what is the next stage in this farce? Presumably the Commons will vote for a second referendum or, at the least, a confirmatory referendum seeking approval of any deal that is done with an alternative of remain before departure? What will May do then?
Have the ERG worked out they've lost yet or is that still much for them to grasp? Idiots doesn't come close.
Problem with May's deal is that just as she wins over her extremists she is losing Labour and Tory remainer support. They now have alternatives to root for.0 -
To think I’ve been blaming Caesar all these years!ydoethur said:
Mons Graupius was in France? Is that why we've never been able to find the bloody place? All these years of looking in Scotland...Charles said:
He made a desert and he called it peaceydoethur said:
And he delta very bad hand to May, and indeed the rest of us.SquareRoot said:
He is in de-Nileydoethur said:
There's a general feeling he isn't being Pharoah about Brexit.IanB2 said:
Everyone hates Boris, our new Moses.OldKingCole said:First; wow what a morning after such a night. I cannot understand why Mrs May does not resign.
(I know that’s about France but it’s still my favourite bit of political knockabout, along with Distaeli’s “range of exhausted volcanos”)0 -
And such an event would lead to an Exodus of half the Tory party..Gardenwalker said:
If he thinks he can just Toot-and-come-in to 10 Downing Street he should think again.SquareRoot said:
Boris is like a bul-rush in a china shopydoethur said:
And he delta very bad hand to May, and indeed the rest of us.SquareRoot said:
He is in de-Nileydoethur said:
There's a general feeling he isn't being Pharoah about Brexit.IanB2 said:
Everyone hates Boris, our new Moses.OldKingCole said:First; wow what a morning after such a night. I cannot understand why Mrs May does not resign.
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Mr B2,
"Which is why there will probably be a referendum at the end, to confirm the voters' preference."
The result of that referendum is irrelevant. It's the simple five-letter word that will endure. That is TRUST.
They cannot be trusted to keep their word, and once that is gone, we may as well have dictatorship. Manifestos are just words, solemn promises are only hot air. They knowingly lie and they make no apology for it. We can carry on voting but if you don't know who they represent, they may as well be cardboard cut-outs.
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you had better check the NumbersNigelb said:
And such an event would lead to an Exodus of half the Tory party..Gardenwalker said:
If he thinks he can just Toot-and-come-in to 10 Downing Street he should think again.SquareRoot said:
Boris is like a bul-rush in a china shopydoethur said:
And he delta very bad hand to May, and indeed the rest of us.SquareRoot said:
He is in de-Nileydoethur said:
There's a general feeling he isn't being Pharoah about Brexit.IanB2 said:
Everyone hates Boris, our new Moses.OldKingCole said:First; wow what a morning after such a night. I cannot understand why Mrs May does not resign.
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From here surely the DUP would want a softer, UK-wide Brexit that essentially takes the possibility of a separate status for Northern Ireland off the table - or no Brexit at all.IanB2 said:
The two scenarios that seem to be rising in probability are May's deal, on the basis that the ERG and DUP finally smell the coffee, or a GE, on the basis that the clash between Parliament's preference and Government preference can't otherwise be resolved.DavidL said:So what is the next stage in this farce? Presumably the Commons will vote for a second referendum or, at the least, a confirmatory referendum seeking approval of any deal that is done with an alternative of remain before departure? What will May do then?
Have the ERG worked out they've lost yet or is that still much for them to grasp? Idiots doesn't come close.
Problem with May's deal is that just as she wins over her extremists she is losing Labour and Tory remainer support. They now have alternatives to root for.
That said, I am now totally lost. There is no logic to any of this. All I do know is that I cannot think of another PM who has been so humiliated and emasculated, and remained in office.
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Ah, the Nuremberg defence. Always goes well.Charles said:
BA said in a statement that the pilot was “following orders from Germany”DavidL said:Given that we have experts on here can anyone explain how a plane destined for Germany managed to end up in Edinburgh? Would they not have had to lodge the wrong flight plan as well, otherwise they would presumably have been notified that they were off course at an early stage? How on earth could that not be noticed? How did they manage to get a landing slot at Edinburgh? It just seems really, really strange.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/business/2019/mar/25/british-airways-flight-dusseldorf-lands-edinburgh--mistake0 -
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I aced it with Egypt. I can't hope to trump that.DavidL said:
Come on @ydoethur, call a spade a spade. Or don't you have the heart to make trumps this morning? Did you waste all your diamond wit on Egypt? Not like you to miss a punning club.ydoethur said:
Indeed, there are knaves on all sides.TheScreamingEagles said:
You say thicket, I say reality.DavidL said:
Did you ever seriously doubt it? Just look at the thicket of additional hurdles that have been erected over the last 3 years.Roger said:Looks like parliament are going to reverse Brexit.
Phew!
I mean BMW didn’t force Merkel to give us a good deal nor did we hold all the cards.
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Yeah, it's a dangerous precedent for sure.SouthamObserver said:
From here surely the DUP would want a softer, UK-wide Brexit that essentially takes the possibility of a separate status for Northern Ireland off the table - or no Brexit at all.IanB2 said:
The two scenarios that seem to be rising in probability are May's deal, on the basis that the ERG and DUP finally smell the coffee, or a GE, on the basis that the clash between Parliament's preference and Government preference can't otherwise be resolved.DavidL said:So what is the next stage in this farce? Presumably the Commons will vote for a second referendum or, at the least, a confirmatory referendum seeking approval of any deal that is done with an alternative of remain before departure? What will May do then?
Have the ERG worked out they've lost yet or is that still much for them to grasp? Idiots doesn't come close.
Problem with May's deal is that just as she wins over her extremists she is losing Labour and Tory remainer support. They now have alternatives to root for.
That said, I am now totally lost. There is no logic to any of this. All I do know is that I cannot think of another PM who has been so humiliated and emasculated, and remained in office.0 -
F1: plans to level financial playing field are proposed (they will shortly be shot down).
Rampant hypocrisy award goes to McLaren, who objected to the last cost cap plan, back when they had loads of money and won stuff:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/47691443
McLaren chief executive officer Zak Brown said: "We need a level playing field, not just for McLaren but for the entire grid. That means fair revenue distribution. I don't think that means equal."0 -
They are throwing him under the bus though.DavidL said:
Ah, the Nuremberg defence. Always goes well.Charles said:
BA said in a statement that the pilot was “following orders from Germany”DavidL said:Given that we have experts on here can anyone explain how a plane destined for Germany managed to end up in Edinburgh? Would they not have had to lodge the wrong flight plan as well, otherwise they would presumably have been notified that they were off course at an early stage? How on earth could that not be noticed? How did they manage to get a landing slot at Edinburgh? It just seems really, really strange.
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/business/2019/mar/25/british-airways-flight-dusseldorf-lands-edinburgh--mistake
As it were.0 -
Mr Me,
"an escape route from Brexit, independence from England."
Achieved by an independence referendum? Only if the UK MPs approve.
How sweet and trusting these Scots are.0 -
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I expect this will not be a good time for Dominic Grieve to seek a vote of confidence from his association.0
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You joker. Unless you’re not playing with a full deck, I suggest you shuffle something up like a racing demon before I snap.ydoethur said:
I aced it with Egypt. I can't hope to trump that.DavidL said:
Come on @ydoethur, call a spade a spade. Or don't you have the heart to make trumps this morning? Did you waste all your diamond wit on Egypt? Not like you to miss a punning club.ydoethur said:
Indeed, there are knaves on all sides.TheScreamingEagles said:
You say thicket, I say reality.DavidL said:
Did you ever seriously doubt it? Just look at the thicket of additional hurdles that have been erected over the last 3 years.Roger said:Looks like parliament are going to reverse Brexit.
Phew!
I mean BMW didn’t force Merkel to give us a good deal nor did we hold all the cards.0 -
Pass it over to the Judges? Or wouldn't that be ruth-less enough?SquareRoot said:
you had better check the NumbersNigelb said:
And such an event would lead to an Exodus of half the Tory party..Gardenwalker said:
If he thinks he can just Toot-and-come-in to 10 Downing Street he should think again.SquareRoot said:
Boris is like a bul-rush in a china shopydoethur said:
And he delta very bad hand to May, and indeed the rest of us.SquareRoot said:
He is in de-Nileydoethur said:
There's a general feeling he isn't being Pharoah about Brexit.IanB2 said:
Everyone hates Boris, our new Moses.OldKingCole said:First; wow what a morning after such a night. I cannot understand why Mrs May does not resign.
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This could be Mays chance to redeem herself with the public- to take a stance against the parliament trying to block brexit and ignore the manifesto the government was elected on and go to the country in a GE to get brexit delivered and PS - no death taxScott_P said:0 -
You've created a void in your pun bank with no bridge back?ydoethur said:
I aced it with Egypt. I can't hope to trump that.DavidL said:
Come on @ydoethur, call a spade a spade. Or don't you have the heart to make trumps this morning? Did you waste all your diamond wit on Egypt? Not like you to miss a punning club.ydoethur said:
Indeed, there are knaves on all sides.TheScreamingEagles said:
You say thicket, I say reality.DavidL said:
Did you ever seriously doubt it? Just look at the thicket of additional hurdles that have been erected over the last 3 years.Roger said:Looks like parliament are going to reverse Brexit.
Phew!
I mean BMW didn’t force Merkel to give us a good deal nor did we hold all the cards.0 -
Part of the farce here is that he and Letwin still have the Tory whip (not that that makes any difference to their behavior of course). Minority governments, eh? What a hoot.Sean_F said:I expect this will not be a good time for Dominic Grieve to seek a vote of confidence from his association.
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The only upside from this betrayal is we know there is circa 50% of the nations voters who will be fired up to wreak revenge at the next GE... this has to be the end of one of the main parties, why would any leave voter ever back one of them again?CD13 said:Mr B2,
"Which is why there will probably be a referendum at the end, to confirm the voters' preference."
The result of that referendum is irrelevant. It's the simple five-letter word that will endure. That is TRUST.
They cannot be trusted to keep their word, and once that is gone, we may as well have dictatorship. Manifestos are just words, solemn promises are only hot air. They knowingly lie and they make no apology for it. We can carry on voting but if you don't know who they represent, they may as well be cardboard cut-outs.0 -
If the festival was on and Fleabag had a show they'd have had to settle for PrestwickDavidL said:
Still amazed they got a landing slot without Edinburgh asking what the hell was going on.IanB2 said:
They did lodge the wrong flight plan, then followed it. The airlines have template docs for the flights they make regularly in the cockpit, and it appears as simple as having pulled out the wrong set of papers.DavidL said:Given that we have experts on here can anyone explain how a plane destined for Germany managed to end up in Edinburgh? Would they not have had to lodge the wrong flight plan as well, otherwise they would presumably have been notified that they were off course at an early stage? How on earth could that not be noticed? How did they manage to get a landing slot at Edinburgh? It just seems really, really strange.
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It's a rummy do.....DavidL said:
You've created a void in your pun bank with no bridge back?ydoethur said:
I aced it with Egypt. I can't hope to trump that.DavidL said:
Come on @ydoethur, call a spade a spade. Or don't you have the heart to make trumps this morning? Did you waste all your diamond wit on Egypt? Not like you to miss a punning club.ydoethur said:
Indeed, there are knaves on all sides.TheScreamingEagles said:
You say thicket, I say reality.DavidL said:
Did you ever seriously doubt it? Just look at the thicket of additional hurdles that have been erected over the last 3 years.Roger said:Looks like parliament are going to reverse Brexit.
Phew!
I mean BMW didn’t force Merkel to give us a good deal nor did we hold all the cards.0 -
It would be a Job and a half.,OldKingCole said:
Pass it over to the Judges? Or wouldn't that be ruth-less enough?SquareRoot said:
you had better check the NumbersNigelb said:
And such an event would lead to an Exodus of half the Tory party..Gardenwalker said:
If he thinks he can just Toot-and-come-in to 10 Downing Street he should think again.SquareRoot said:
Boris is like a bul-rush in a china shopydoethur said:
And he delta very bad hand to May, and indeed the rest of us.SquareRoot said:
He is in de-Nileydoethur said:
There's a general feeling he isn't being Pharoah about Brexit.IanB2 said:
Everyone hates Boris, our new Moses.OldKingCole said:First; wow what a morning after such a night. I cannot understand why Mrs May does not resign.
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There isn’t - and that is the direct consequence of May presenting a hung Parliament with a fait accompli, with barely the time to rubber stamp it, let alone make another choice.SouthamObserver said:
From here surely the DUP would want a softer, UK-wide Brexit that essentially takes the possibility of a separate status for Northern Ireland off the table - or no Brexit at all.IanB2 said:
The two scenarios that seem to be rising in probability are May's deal, on the basis that the ERG and DUP finally smell the coffee, or a GE, on the basis that the clash between Parliament's preference and Government preference can't otherwise be resolved.DavidL said:So what is the next stage in this farce? Presumably the Commons will vote for a second referendum or, at the least, a confirmatory referendum seeking approval of any deal that is done with an alternative of remain before departure? What will May do then?
Have the ERG worked out they've lost yet or is that still much for them to grasp? Idiots doesn't come close.
Problem with May's deal is that just as she wins over her extremists she is losing Labour and Tory remainer support. They now have alternatives to root for.
That said, I am now totally lost. There is no logic to any of this. All I do know is that I cannot think of another PM who has been so humiliated and emasculated, and remained in office.
I’ve said before that the only way out of this I can see is Norway, as it is the option which takes away the least from those who voted against Brexit, while still complying with the terms of the referendum vote.
And it is a stable solution, which retains the potential for future movement in either direction, without requiring it.
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That would be a Revalation.Nigelb said:
And such an event would lead to an Exodus of half the Tory party..Gardenwalker said:
If he thinks he can just Toot-and-come-in to 10 Downing Street he should think again.SquareRoot said:
Boris is like a bul-rush in a china shopydoethur said:
And he delta very bad hand to May, and indeed the rest of us.SquareRoot said:
He is in de-Nileydoethur said:
There's a general feeling he isn't being Pharoah about Brexit.IanB2 said:
Everyone hates Boris, our new Moses.OldKingCole said:First; wow what a morning after such a night. I cannot understand why Mrs May does not resign.
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My son works for network rail and everyone he works with say they will never vote again if brexit is betrayed . The contempt for politicians has fallen to rock bottomisam said:
The only upside from this betrayal is we know there is circa 50% of the nations voters who will be fired up to wreak revenge at the next GE... this has to be the end of one of the main parties, why would any leave voter ever back one of them again?CD13 said:Mr B2,
"Which is why there will probably be a referendum at the end, to confirm the voters' preference."
The result of that referendum is irrelevant. It's the simple five-letter word that will endure. That is TRUST.
They cannot be trusted to keep their word, and once that is gone, we may as well have dictatorship. Manifestos are just words, solemn promises are only hot air. They knowingly lie and they make no apology for it. We can carry on voting but if you don't know who they represent, they may as well be cardboard cut-outs.-1 -
I'll ask again - what is the mechanism for leaving Norway?Nigelb said:
There isn’t - and that is the direct consequence of May presenting a hung Parliament with a fait accompli, with barely the time to rubber stamp it, let alone make another choice.SouthamObserver said:
From here surely the DUP would want a softer, UK-wide Brexit that essentially takes the possibility of a separate status for Northern Ireland off the table - or no Brexit at all.IanB2 said:
The two scenarios that seem to be rising in probability are May's deal, on the basis that the ERG and DUP finally smell the coffee, or a GE, on the basis that the clash between Parliament's preference and Government preference can't otherwise be resolved.DavidL said:So what is the next stage in this farce? Presumably the Commons will vote for a second referendum or, at the least, a confirmatory referendum seeking approval of any deal that is done with an alternative of remain before departure? What will May do then?
Have the ERG worked out they've lost yet or is that still much for them to grasp? Idiots doesn't come close.
Problem with May's deal is that just as she wins over her extremists she is losing Labour and Tory remainer support. They now have alternatives to root for.
That said, I am now totally lost. There is no logic to any of this. All I do know is that I cannot think of another PM who has been so humiliated and emasculated, and remained in office.
I’ve said before that the only way out of this I can see is Norway, as it is the option which takes away the least from those who voted against Brexit, while still complying with the terms of the referendum vote.
And it is a stable solution, which retains the potential for future movement in either direction, without requiring it.0 -
F1: incidentally, after the annoyingly early start for Australia, Bahrain (next up) jumps in the opposite direction and starts qualifying at 3pm and the race itself at 4.10pm. The qualifying ramble might be up a little earlier than usual (before rather than after third practice) but should still be up on Saturday.0
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They'd no longer have the Numbers....Foxy said:
That would be a Revalation.Nigelb said:
And such an event would lead to an Exodus of half the Tory party..Gardenwalker said:
If he thinks he can just Toot-and-come-in to 10 Downing Street he should think again.SquareRoot said:
Boris is like a bul-rush in a china shopydoethur said:
And he delta very bad hand to May, and indeed the rest of us.SquareRoot said:
He is in de-Nileydoethur said:
There's a general feeling he isn't being Pharoah about Brexit.IanB2 said:
Everyone hates Boris, our new Moses.OldKingCole said:First; wow what a morning after such a night. I cannot understand why Mrs May does not resign.
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And yet Letwin has voted against the government a tiny fraction of the times that the ERG have. And is still prepared to vote for May’s deal as his first preference.DavidL said:
Part of the farce here is that he and Letwin still have the Tory whip (not that that makes any difference to their behavior of course). Minority governments, eh? What a hoot.Sean_F said:I expect this will not be a good time for Dominic Grieve to seek a vote of confidence from his association.
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