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dixiedean said:

ydoethur said:

SeanT said:

HYUFD said:

SouthamObserver said:

IanB2 said:

SouthamObserver said:

Does anyone have email addresses for those eight magnificently gullible Remain ministers? I have some magic beans going cheap I am sure they’ll be interested in buying.

The best strategy for them is to save resignations for the moment, if it arrives, where a no deal decision is about to be made. They'll take a big chunk of their party with them, be able to bring down the government and opt for an alternative course, and have politics students writing essays about them in a hundred years time. Compared with that why walk out just now, when the tide appears to be flowing in their direction?

I just don’t see how things are flowing their way. Letwin Cooper Boles will Gail by more votes than last time, May’s Deal will fail, which means that something else has to happen to prevent No Deal. What will that be when the ERG congenitally disloyal and the Soft Brexiteers are so supine?

Indefinite extension, including contesting the EU Parliament elections, May made clear to day she is prepared to extend forever until the Commons passes her Deal

She needs a reason to extend. What will it be? That said, I accept the EU will be very accommodating in that respect, we now know they are as terrified of No Deal as us, if not more - for us No Deal at least honours the referendum (settling one issue), and clears the deck, and we become a truly independent country.

For them No Deal is nothing but bad bad bad - Ireland in shock, several economies taking a hit (as they head into recession), and the EU permanently reduced and politically shrivelled, and lots of blame being handed around the Berlaymont,

The absolute worst case scenario for the EU is we leave with No Deal, and it turns out to be not very serious. At that point they run the risk of several other dissatisfied countries following suit. That I think is why they should be afraid of it.

I'm not saying a No Deal wouldn't be very serious for us BTW, just that if it isn't a demonstrable irrefutable disaster that would be more damaging to the EU than us leaving with a deal.

I'm sure there are a number of governments absolutely itching to embark on this process.

There are.

That's why they need Brexit to be a total disaster.

SeanT said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

SeanT said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

kjohnw said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

kjohnw said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

You can imagine the more nuttier* elements of the ERG putting burning EU flags in the gardens of EU citizens living in the UK.

*Horrendous tautology I know.

Remainers seem to want to label all leavers as nutters , hardly the way to reconcile a divided nation

I guess English isn't your first language.

My comment was NOT directed at all leavers, I was precise in that it was focussed on the ERG.

I'm only using the language Leavers use towards the ERG.

Little Englanders loons fruitcakes swivel eyed thickos racists amongst the other terms remainers have labelled leavers since the referendum.

Horrendous straw man arguments from you when you're exposed as talking bollocks.

Here's another one. Leavers - all 17.4 million of us, cannot appreciate art and are NECESSARILY philistines.

https://twitter.com/JANUSZCZAK/status/1109111214817316864

So we are thick, old, racist, stupid and hideously uncultured, kind of like bipedal geriatric monkeys, or something.

And these are the people that Remainers are trying to win to their cause, in a 2nd referendum.

I honestly think the grotesque snobbery, hypocrisy and elitism from Remainers would very likely make me vote Leave all over again. Remainers are just repulsive. They need to be taught a lesson. YOU CAN'T ALWAYS GET WHAT YOU WANT. YOU NARCISSISTIC C*NTS.

That's one of the reasons I don't want another referendum.

I think Remain would make the same mistakes over again.

Much better for us to leave and experience life outside the EU then decide if that's what we really want or to Rejoin.

I completely agree. I have gone from thinking Remain would walk a 2nd vote to thinking: Jesus, they can't help themselves. Even when they are trying to "reach out" and understand the Leave vote they sound patronising, supercilious and impatient, when they are relaxing and chilled they are brutally snobbish, and openly contemptuous, of their fellow Brits who voted Leave.

All this de haut en bas hatred for the proles would be cruelly exposed in a 2nd campaign. Because Remainers have no clue how they sound to ordinary people.

So yes, I think you're right: Remain might easily lose again, possibly by an even bigger margin.

Let them eat Pastel de Nata

initforthemoney said:

IanB2 said:

The PM said quite specifically that recognising the view of the house, we wouldn't leave with no deal unless parliament so agreed.

The PM has recently contradicted various things she said quite specifically.

Anyone who believes a word of any promise Theresa May makes - or seems to make - is only setting themselves up for permanent disappointment. Along with John McDonnell she is the most shameless liar in British politics.

SeanT said:

HYUFD said:

SouthamObserver said:

IanB2 said:

SouthamObserver said:

Does anyone have email addresses for those eight magnificently gullible Remain ministers? I have some magic beans going cheap I am sure they’ll be interested in buying.

The best strategy for them is to save resignations for the moment, if it arrives, where a no deal decision is about to be made. They'll take a big chunk of their party with them, be able to bring down the government and opt for an alternative course, and have politics students writing essays about them in a hundred years time. Compared with that why walk out just now, when the tide appears to be flowing in their direction?

I just don’t see how things are flowing their way. Letwin Cooper Boles will Gail by more votes than last time, May’s Deal will fail, which means that something else has to happen to prevent No Deal. What will that be when the ERG congenitally disloyal and the Soft Brexiteers are so supine?

Indefinite extension, including contesting the EU Parliament elections, May made clear to day she is prepared to extend forever until the Commons passes her Deal

She needs a reason to extend. What will it be? That said, I accept the EU will be very accommodating in that respect, we now know they are as terrified of No Deal as us, if not more - for us No Deal at least honours the referendum (settling one issue), and clears the deck, and we become a truly independent country.

For them No Deal is nothing but bad bad bad - Ireland in shock, several economies taking a hit (as they head into recession), and the EU permanently reduced and politically shrivelled, and lots of blame being handed around the Berlaymont,

Bring. It. On.

If they want to avoid No Deal they can compromise on the backstop. Their obstinancy means we have no options left but No Deal and it is with great regret.

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1110285120265732098

COULD BE...But WON'T

ydoethur said:

dixiedean said:

ydoethur said:

SeanT said:

HYUFD said:

SouthamObserver said:

IanB2 said:

SouthamObserver said:

Does anyone have email addresses for those eight magnificently gullible Remain ministers? I have some magic beans going cheap I am sure they’ll be interested in buying.

The best strategy for them is to save resignations for the moment, if it arrives, where a no deal decision is about to be made. They'll take a big chunk of their party with them, be able to bring down the government and opt for an alternative course, and have politics students writing essays about them in a hundred years time. Compared with that why walk out just now, when the tide appears to be flowing in their direction?

I just don’t see how things are flowing their way. Letwin Cooper Boles will Gail by more votes than last time, May’s Deal will fail, which means that something else has to happen to prevent No Deal. What will that be when the ERG congenitally disloyal and the Soft Brexiteers are so supine?

Indefinite extension, including contesting the EU Parliament elections, May made clear to day she is prepared to extend forever until the Commons passes her Deal

She needs a reason to extend. What will it be? That said, I accept the EU will be very accommodating in that respect, we now know they are as terrified of No Deal as us, if not more - for us No Deal at least honours the referendum (settling one issue), and clears the deck, and we become a truly independent country.

For them No Deal is nothing but bad bad bad - Ireland in shock, several economies taking a hit (as they head into recession), and the EU permanently reduced and politically shrivelled, and lots of blame being handed around the Berlaymont,

The absolute worst case scenario for the EU is we leave with No Deal, and it turns out to be not very serious. At that point they run the risk of several other dissatisfied countries following suit. That I think is why they should be afraid of it.

I'm not saying a No Deal wouldn't be very serious for us BTW, just that if it isn't a demonstrable irrefutable disaster that would be more damaging to the EU than us leaving with a deal.

I'm sure there are a number of governments absolutely itching to embark on this process.

There are.

That's why they need Brexit to be a total disaster.

Which ones?

Who's going to have changed from backing Letwin last time to not this time. I don't understand what's changed?

AramintaMoonbeamQC said:

Drutt said:

AramintaMoonbeamQC said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Oh bugger.....

Humbled by a small Balkan nation, which uses the Euro. Better get used to it.

It hasn't aged well.
It hasn't aged well.
Araminta
It hasn't aged well.

I went with a cheap gag far too soon. Apologies.

Accepted, and thank you for taking it in the good humour in which it was meant.

Govt saying Letwin will ease through, oppo benches reckon it won't. Everyone trying to convince Remainy ministers it's worth their vote.

What price tonight's vote is actually as tight as that, and is decided by Fiona Onasanya turning up on her tag to draw it, and Bercow casting against the Govt?

SeanT said:

Theuniondivvie said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Theuniondivvie said:

MaxPB said:

SeanT said:

AlastairMeeks said:

The Countryside Alliance march? Was that the one when all the bumpkins came to London to thank them for subsidising their lifestyle so heavily?

I went on that march, just for the lolz

What amazed me was the physical beauty of the girls (and boys, to be fair). Posh country English folk have very lovely daughters (with excellent teeth, and lovely honey blonde or russet red hair). It was like a parade of the best of Hitler Youth, only they were obsessed with killing foxes not Jews.

Right wing women are hotter than lefties. It's a universal truth.

Reactionary dilemma, who was hotter, Unity or Jessica Mitford?

Nb neither all that, but at least JM was smart & funny.

Diana for me.

Hmm, you have ice maiden tendencies I see.

I've forgotten. How did it go against

KAZAKHSTAN????

Drunken boor lurches into someone else's conversation.

'INGERLAAAND!!!'

A scene reproduced all over INGERLAAAND.

Silly this from England at the end.

TheScreamingEagles said:

Theuniondivvie said:

MaxPB said:

SeanT said:

AlastairMeeks said:

The Countryside Alliance march? Was that the one when all the bumpkins came to London to thank them for subsidising their lifestyle so heavily?

I went on that march, just for the lolz

What amazed me was the physical beauty of the girls (and boys, to be fair). Posh country English folk have very lovely daughters (with excellent teeth, and lovely honey blonde or russet red hair). It was like a parade of the best of Hitler Youth, only they were obsessed with killing foxes not Jews.

Right wing women are hotter than lefties. It's a universal truth.

Reactionary dilemma, who was hotter, Unity or Jessica Mitford?

Nb neither all that, but at least JM was smart & funny.

Diana for me.

Eva Braun for me.

Philip_Thompson said:

Who's going to have changed from backing Letwin last time to not this time. I don't understand what's changed?

Govt offered indicative votes later in the week. So they can support the Govt and still get indicative votes.

SeanT said:

This England team actually plays lovely football. And scores a LOT.

Very seductive

As good as anyone going forward. Still too vulnerable at the back. But this is an England team able to play precise football at high pace. We haven’t been close to this standard for a very long time. We are properly competitive.

SouthamObserver said:

SeanT said:

This England team actually plays lovely football. And scores a LOT.

Very seductive

As good as anyone going forward. Still too vulnerable at the back. But this is an England team able to play precise football at high pace. We haven’t been close to this standard for a very long time. We are properly competitive.

To be fair England defence was missing a number of players.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6847147/Labour-splits-Brexit-exposed-Peoples-Vote-march.html

Well at least shameless in honest

Shami Chakrabarti insisted a second referendum had 'never been our preference'.

Benpointer said:

SouthamObserver said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

SeanT said:

I completely agree. I have gone from thinking Remain would walk a 2nd vote to thinking: Jesus, they can't help themselves. Even when they are trying to "reach out" and understand the Leave vote they sound patronising, supercilious and impatient, when they are relaxing and chilled they are brutally snobbish, and openly contemptuous, of their fellow Brits who voted Leave.

All this de haut en bas hatred for the proles would be cruelly exposed in a 2nd campaign. Because Remainers have no clue how they sound to ordinary people.

So yes, I think you're right: Remain might easily lose again, possibly by an even bigger margin.

It isn't hatred just an inability to understand what makes a working class Northerner tick.

For example a few of us were amused that one of Stronger In's focus was that Brexit means the return of mobile roaming charges.

That means bugger all to a Leaver who can't afford to go on an overseas holiday.

I wonder what percentage of the overall Leave vote do not ever go on holidays abroad.

My view is that a second referendum would be pretty tight. The Leave side also has a huge amount of negativity to overcome, especially around those would be fronting it.

If Brexiteers are confident they will win a 2nd referendum why are they so set against one?

If you have bet, and it wins, why would you want to run the race again with the upside being the status quo, and the downside being lose everything?

Cyclefree said:

If only MPs would listen to what the EU is saying.

A No Deal exit will happen on 12th April unless the Deal is voted for (unlikely), Article 50 is revoked (also unlikely) or Parliament decides to have a second referendum or a GE.

Debating and voting on other possibilities is pointless flim-flam.

If MPs don’t pick one of the above options, a No Deal exit will happen.

One hopes the penny drops before 12th April. I have my doubts.

Tusk said the same re: 29 March, but a few hours later it was 12 April.

SouthamObserver said:

SeanT said:

This England team actually plays lovely football. And scores a LOT.

Very seductive

As good as anyone going forward. Still too vulnerable at the back. But this is an England team able to play precise football at high pace. We haven’t been close to this standard for a very long time. We are properly competitive.

And a lack of 'celeb' players, a manager with a cool head who knows how to get the best out of people and build a real team ethos.

Southgate is the best since the great and sadly late, Sir Bobby Robson.

AramintaMoonbeamQC said:

SouthamObserver said:

SeanT said:

This England team actually plays lovely football. And scores a LOT.

Very seductive

As good as anyone going forward. Still too vulnerable at the back. But this is an England team able to play precise football at high pace. We haven’t been close to this standard for a very long time. We are properly competitive.

And a lack of 'celeb' players, a manager with a cool head who knows how to get the best out of people and build a real team ethos.

Southgate is the best since the great and sadly late, Sir Bobby Robson.

And a thoroughly nice guy in my experience.

SeanT said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

SeanT said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

kjohnw said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

kjohnw said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

You can imagine the more nuttier* elements of the ERG putting burning EU flags in the gardens of EU citizens living in the UK.

*Horrendous tautology I know.

Remainers seem to want to label all leavers as nutters , hardly the way to reconcile a divided nation

I guess English isn't your first language.

My comment was NOT directed at all leavers, I was precise in that it was focussed on the ERG.

I'm only using the language Leavers use towards the ERG.

Little Englanders loons fruitcakes swivel eyed thickos racists amongst the other terms remainers have labelled leavers since the referendum.

Horrendous straw man arguments from you when you're exposed as talking bollocks.

Here's another one. Leavers - all 17.4 million of us, cannot appreciate art and are NECESSARILY philistines.

https://twitter.com/JANUSZCZAK/status/1109111214817316864

So we are thick, old, racist, stupid and hideously uncultured, kind of like bipedal geriatric monkeys, or something.

And these are the people that Remainers are trying to win to their cause, in a 2nd referendum.

I honestly think the grotesque snobbery, hypocrisy and elitism from Remainers would very likely make me vote Leave all over again. Remainers are just repulsive. They need to be taught a lesson. YOU CAN'T ALWAYS GET WHAT YOU WANT. YOU NARCISSISTIC C*NTS.

That's one of the reasons I don't want another referendum.

I think Remain would make the same mistakes over again.

Much better for us to leave and experience life outside the EU then decide if that's what we really want or to Rejoin.

I completely agree. I have gone from thinking Remain would walk a 2nd vote to thinking: Jesus, they can't help themselves. Even when they are trying to "reach out" and understand the Leave vote they sound patronising, supercilious and impatient, when they are relaxing and chilled they are brutally snobbish, and openly contemptuous, of their fellow Brits who voted Leave.

All this de haut en bas hatred for the proles would be cruelly exposed in a 2nd campaign. Because Remainers have no clue how they sound to ordinary people.

So yes, I think you're right: Remain might easily lose again, possibly by an even bigger margin.

Indeed. Let the Leave clusterfuck speak for itself.

No_Offence_Alan said:

OldKingCole said:

Ishmael_Z said:

FF43 said:

ydoethur said:

FF43 said:

CarlottaVance said:

https://twitter.com/FullFact/status/1110225621731500032?s=20

It will still be in the top three biggest public attendance events ever in the UK, and probably the second after the Stop the Iraq War march of 2003.

The point they are making in that article is that numbers are always overestimated.

On those numbers it would be third - the Countryside Alliance March of 2002 would be bigger.

Interesting list here, but it only goes up to 2011:

https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2011/mar/28/demonstrations-protests-uk-list

The presumption is that the Countryside Alliance march numbers were also exaggerated on the same basis.

No, CA marchers were counted individually through a gate.

A farm gate?

Presumably like those at a mass start in a marathon.

IIRC it was a bank of turnstiles

Drutt said:

What price tonight's vote is actually as tight as that, and is decided by Fiona Onasanya turning up on her tag to draw it, and Bercow casting against the Govt?

Is she allowed out that late? Surely some curfew applies.

Charles said:

No_Offence_Alan said:

OldKingCole said:

Ishmael_Z said:

FF43 said:

ydoethur said:

FF43 said:

CarlottaVance said:

https://twitter.com/FullFact/status/1110225621731500032?s=20

It will still be in the top three biggest public attendance events ever in the UK, and probably the second after the Stop the Iraq War march of 2003.

The point they are making in that article is that numbers are always overestimated.

On those numbers it would be third - the Countryside Alliance March of 2002 would be bigger.

Interesting list here, but it only goes up to 2011:

https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2011/mar/28/demonstrations-protests-uk-list

The presumption is that the Countryside Alliance march numbers were also exaggerated on the same basis.

No, CA marchers were counted individually through a gate.

A farm gate?

Presumably like those at a mass start in a marathon.

IIRC it was a bank of turnstiles

Did they count the sheep too?

ralphmalph said:

Benpointer said:

SouthamObserver said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

SeanT said:

I completely agree. I have gone from thinking Remain would walk a 2nd vote to thinking: Jesus, they can't help themselves. Even when they are trying to "reach out" and understand the Leave vote they sound patronising, supercilious and impatient, when they are relaxing and chilled they are brutally snobbish, and openly contemptuous, of their fellow Brits who voted Leave.

All this de haut en bas hatred for the proles would be cruelly exposed in a 2nd campaign. Because Remainers have no clue how they sound to ordinary people.

So yes, I think you're right: Remain might easily lose again, possibly by an even bigger margin.

It isn't hatred just an inability to understand what makes a working class Northerner tick.

For example a few of us were amused that one of Stronger In's focus was that Brexit means the return of mobile roaming charges.

That means bugger all to a Leaver who can't afford to go on an overseas holiday.

I wonder what percentage of the overall Leave vote do not ever go on holidays abroad.

My view is that a second referendum would be pretty tight. The Leave side also has a huge amount of negativity to overcome, especially around those would be fronting it.

If Brexiteers are confident they will win a 2nd referendum why are they so set against one?

because it would not solve anything. Have another divisive vote to confirm the leave vote.

The idea behind the Kyle Compromise is that the referendum legislation would (subject to the referendum that you think would definitely go leave) pass the deal, so if you support the deal and Brexit is currently being delayed because other MPs don't vote for it, it definitely does solve something.

El_Capitano said:

Floater said:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6847147/Labour-splits-Brexit-exposed-Peoples-Vote-march.html

Well at least shameless in honest

Shami Chakrabarti insisted a second referendum had 'never been our preference'.

I remember when Shami Chakrabarti was widely respected. It seems like a long time ago.

An observation that could be applied pretty indiscriminately.

Andrew said:

Drutt said:

What price tonight's vote is actually as tight as that, and is decided by Fiona Onasanya turning up on her tag to draw it, and Bercow casting against the Govt?

Is she allowed out that late? Surely some curfew applies.

Andrew said:

Drutt said:

What price tonight's vote is actually as tight as that, and is decided by Fiona Onasanya turning up on her tag to draw it, and Bercow casting against the Govt?

Is she allowed out that late? Surely some curfew applies.

She should be wearing a ball and chain

Scott_P said:

Are England fans talking up the soccer team to avoid talking about how badly the rugby team are going to demolished at the World Cup?

I'm confident that at the end of the world cup England will still be the only Northern Hemisphere nation to have won the world cup.

SeanT said:

SouthamObserver said:

SeanT said:

This England team actually plays lovely football. And scores a LOT.

Very seductive

As good as anyone going forward. Still too vulnerable at the back. But this is an England team able to play precise football at high pace. We haven’t been close to this standard for a very long time. We are properly competitive.

Yes. I'd give us a sporting chance against any side in the world. Also we aren't totally reliant on one great player - Gascoigne, Rooney etc. This is a proper TEAM. We have stars like Kane but they aren't totally pivotal.

It’s high quality - and it’s only going to get better. We are or have very recently been world champions at all levels from U16 to U23. The investments the PL clubs have made in youth development are now paying huge dividends.

TheScreamingEagles said:

I'm confident that at the end of the world cup England will still be the only Northern Hemisphere nation to have won the world cup.

Might have been different, but for the worst referee in World rugby...

Pulpstar said:

Labour will support the indicative vote outcome, so long as its ITS preferred outcome, ffsake

Starmer didn't say that. He said IF the preferred outcome was No Deal, Labour wouldn't support it. But it doesn't have to be the Labour preferred deal. He also sympathised with the similar Tory line.

So TAKING BACK CONTROL is an attempt that could yet still fail, to control order paper for indicative votes that if one did squeak over line is hardly going to be ringing endorsement of way forward to take back to Europe, and in any case will simply be ignored by government if it wasn’t in the manifesto that won them government.

Never has nothing breached trade description act so outrageously than naming this thing taking back control. It’s not worth the order paper it’s written on, might as well just write indicative votes on loo paper and just flush them away.

Where’s HY? You were wrong HY!!! Admit it.

Repeat after me, there’s just the two options, vote for the WA or clean brexit.

Nothing else is in play!

SouthamObserver said:

SeanT said:

SouthamObserver said:

SeanT said:

This England team actually plays lovely football. And scores a LOT.

Very seductive

As good as anyone going forward. Still too vulnerable at the back. But this is an England team able to play precise football at high pace. We haven’t been close to this standard for a very long time. We are properly competitive.

Yes. I'd give us a sporting chance against any side in the world. Also we aren't totally reliant on one great player - Gascoigne, Rooney etc. This is a proper TEAM. We have stars like Kane but they aren't totally pivotal.

It’s high quality - and it’s only going to get better. We are or have very recently been world champions at all levels from U16 to U23. The investments the PL clubs have made in youth development are now paying huge dividends.

The German's are also been very helpful in developing some of our players ;-)

SeanT said:

England were just fifteen bad minutes at Cardiff from winning a Grand Slam (if they'd won that I think they would have gone on to crush Scotland).

England might have crushed Scotland if they had not had a bad fifteen minutes at Twickenham...

Scott_P said:

SeanT said:

England were just fifteen bad minutes at Cardiff from winning a Grand Slam (if they'd won that I think they would have gone on to crush Scotland).

England might have crushed Scotland if they had not had a bad fifteen minutes at Twickenham...

The score would have been frightening had Scotland not had a poor 30 minutes.

dots said:

So TAKING BACK CONTROL is an attempt that could yet still fail, to control order paper for indicative votes that if one did squeak over line is hardly going to be ringing endorsement of way forward to take back to Europe, and in any case will simply be ignored by government if it wasn’t in the manifesto that won them government.

Never has nothing breached trade description act so outrageously than naming this thing taking back control. It’s not worth the order paper it’s written on, might as well just write indicative votes on loo paper and just flush them away.

Where’s HY? You were wrong HY!!! Admit it.

Repeat after me, there’s just the two options, vote for the WA or clean brexit.

Nothing else is in play!

Nope, the EU made clear all they need for further extension is an indication of what the Commons might support and participation in the EU Parliament elections.

May also made clear today given the Commons will not support No Deal the only alternative is further extension and participation in the EU Parliament elections until it passes her Deal.


The last election also produced a hung parliament not a Tory majority

edmundintokyo said:

ralphmalph said:

Benpointer said:

SouthamObserver said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

SeanT said:

I completely agree. I have gone from thinking Remain would walk a 2nd vote to thinking: Jesus, they can't help themselves. Even when they are trying to "reach out" and understand the Leave vote they sound patronising, supercilious and impatient, when they are relaxing and chilled they are brutally snobbish, and openly contemptuous, of their fellow Brits who voted Leave.

All this de haut en bas hatred for the proles would be cruelly exposed in a 2nd campaign. Because Remainers have no clue how they sound to ordinary people.

So yes, I think you're right: Remain might easily lose again, possibly by an even bigger margin.

It isn't hatred just an inability to understand what makes a working class Northerner tick.

For example a few of us were amused that one of Stronger In's focus was that Brexit means the return of mobile roaming charges.

That means bugger all to a Leaver who can't afford to go on an overseas holiday.

I wonder what percentage of the overall Leave vote do not ever go on holidays abroad.

My view is that a second referendum would be pretty tight. The Leave side also has a huge amount of negativity to overcome, especially around those would be fronting it.

If Brexiteers are confident they will win a 2nd referendum why are they so set against one?

because it would not solve anything. Have another divisive vote to confirm the leave vote.

The idea behind the Kyle Compromise is that the referendum legislation would (subject to the referendum that you think would definitely go leave) pass the deal, so if you support the deal and Brexit is currently being delayed because other MPs don't vote for it, it definitely does solve something.

Indeed. I fully expect Leave to win a Deal versus Remain referendum and that would be a much better result than accidental No Deal.

ydoethur said:

Casino_Royale said:

TOPPING said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

AndyJS said:

FF43 said:

CarlottaVance said:

https://twitter.com/FullFact/status/1110225621731500032?s=20

It will still be in the top three biggest public attendance events ever in the UK, and probably the second after the Stop the Iraq War march of 2003.

The point they are making in that article is that numbers are always overestimated.

The Countryside Alliance got some pretty big crowds at their various demonstrations during the Blair premiership.

The official police numbers for the 2002 CA march was 400,000. Made not a blind bit of difference of course. I was on that one.

We might have bumped into each other there Richard.

I was there too.

Is this a new sport? Hunt the PB members on the CA March?

The funniest moment was White’s relaxing their dress code to allow marchers to use the loo

https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1110300017284317186

Benpointer said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

SeanT said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Scott_P said:

Are England fans talking up the soccer team to avoid talking about how badly the rugby team are going to demolished at the World Cup?

I'm confident that at the end of the world cup England will still be the only Northern Hemisphere nation to have won the world cup.

I think you are too hard on Wales. They are genuinely good. 14 wins in a row? Beat Ireland (easily) and England?

They have also beaten S Africa and Oz recently, all they need to do is get over their All Blacks hoodoo (or hope that someone else takes the Kiwis out first) and they could easily win the World Cup.

If England can't do it, I'll be lustily supporting the Taffs.

I hate the Welsh rugby fans.

A bunch of bigoted bellends they are.

It is all those years of being called a Nigel and told where to stick the sweet chariot has consequences.

Too much hate TSE - get some therapy.

I'd sooner see France win the world cup than Wales.

initforthemoney said:

Cyclefree said:

If only MPs would listen to what the EU is saying.

A No Deal exit will happen on 12th April unless the Deal is voted for (unlikely), Article 50 is revoked (also unlikely) or Parliament decides to have a second referendum or a GE.

Debating and voting on other possibilities is pointless flim-flam.

If MPs don’t pick one of the above options, a No Deal exit will happen.

One hopes the penny drops before 12th April. I have my doubts.

Tusk said the same re: 29 March, but a few hours later it was 12 April.

Cycle free is right. All EU done was play pass the blame. It’s a game. When the music stops you mustn’t be holding the blame. May wanted to stitch them up with a desperate summit this week, where the pressure would be in EU to blink they turned tables, London now holding the blame.

There is only one way to take no deal off table, vote for the WA. The idea any Tory leader revokes or flies to Europe begging to take part in EU elections and long brexit delay is laughable. If MPs don’t pass the EUs WA Britain has the clean brexit and all the blame.

Nothing else is in play.

Richard Harrington resigns to vote for Letwin.

Charles said:

ydoethur said:

Casino_Royale said:

TOPPING said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

AndyJS said:

FF43 said:

CarlottaVance said:

https://twitter.com/FullFact/status/1110225621731500032?s=20

It will still be in the top three biggest public attendance events ever in the UK, and probably the second after the Stop the Iraq War march of 2003.

The point they are making in that article is that numbers are always overestimated.

The Countryside Alliance got some pretty big crowds at their various demonstrations during the Blair premiership.

The official police numbers for the 2002 CA march was 400,000. Made not a blind bit of difference of course. I was on that one.

We might have bumped into each other there Richard.

I was there too.

Is this a new sport? Hunt the PB members on the CA March?

The funniest moment was White’s relaxing their dress code to allow marchers to use the loo

It was an enjoyable occasion. We had lunch at Mark Masons Hall, afterwards.

mwjfrome17 said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

SeanT said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Scott_P said:

Are England fans talking up the soccer team to avoid talking about how badly the rugby team are going to demolished at the World Cup?

I'm confident that at the end of the world cup England will still be the only Northern Hemisphere nation to have won the world cup.

I think you are too hard on Wales. They are genuinely good. 14 wins in a row? Beat Ireland (easily) and England?

They have also beaten S Africa and Oz recently, all they need to do is get over their All Blacks hoodoo (or hope that someone else takes the Kiwis out first) and they could easily win the World Cup.

If England can't do it, I'll be lustily supporting the Taffs.

I hate the Welsh rugby fans.

A bunch of bigoted bellends they are.

It is all those years of being called a Nigel and told where to stick the sweet chariot has consequences.

Yes well your country gave us John Redwood as Secretary of State, so piss off, Nigel. xx

When we let Welsh people run Wales you chose Ron Davies.

Bring back John Redwood, the Welsh need an English viceroy to run Wales.

I think Letwin gets through by 7 or 8 votes tonight.

SeanT said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

SeanT said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Scott_P said:

Are England fans talking up the soccer team to avoid talking about how badly the rugby team are going to demolished at the World Cup?

I'm confident that at the end of the world cup England will still be the only Northern Hemisphere nation to have won the world cup.

I think you are too hard on Wales. They are genuinely good. 14 wins in a row? Beat Ireland (easily) and England?

They have also beaten S Africa and Oz recently, all they need to do is get over their All Blacks hoodoo (or hope that someone else takes the Kiwis out first) and they could easily win the World Cup.

If England can't do it, I'll be lustily supporting the Taffs.

I hate the Welsh rugby fans.

A bunch of bigoted bellends they are.

It is all those years of being called a Nigel and told where to stick the sweet chariot has consequences.

As soon as you realise their hostility (like nearly all Anglophobia) arises from a RAGING inferiority complex vis-a-vis England (same goes for Scotland, etc) then it is all much easier to forgive.

Bless them. They are small nations unfortunately united with the dominant global linguistic culture. Ouch.

Well that makes sense.

https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1110301557248004096

https://twitter.com/MaryCreaghMP/status/1110301588902633478