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So it is vote against Letwin, so the government will introduce exactly the same thing? Honestly. This time.
Is that the state of play.0 -
Absolutely superb.ydoethur said:
The irony of that post is just delicious - and I am assuming was deliberate.Recidivist said:
I think the CA number is pretty solid because they gathered all the attendees in Hyde Park in one place making them easy to count. I assume that was deliberate. These rustic types not being wise to the wiles of city folk who let everyone mill around everywhere and then just claim the biggest number they can say with a straight face.Richard_Tyndall said:
The official police numbers for the 2002 CA march was 400,000. Made not a blind bit of difference of course. I was on that one.AndyJS said:
The Countryside Alliance got some pretty big crowds at their various demonstrations during the Blair premiership.FF43 said:
It will still be in the top three biggest public attendance events ever in the UK, and probably the second after the Stop the Iraq War march of 2003.CarlottaVance said:
The point they are making in that article is that numbers are always overestimated.0 -
I went on that march, just for the lolzAlastairMeeks said:The Countryside Alliance march? Was that the one when all the bumpkins came to London to thank them for subsidising their lifestyle so heavily?
What amazed me was the physical beauty of the girls (and boys, to be fair). Posh country English folk have very lovely daughters (with excellent teeth, and lovely honey blonde or russet red hair). It was like a parade of the best of Hitler Youth, only they were obsessed with killing foxes not Jews.
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Horrendous straw man arguments from you when you're exposed as talking bollocks.kjohnw said:
Little Englanders loons fruitcakes swivel eyed thickos racists amongst the other terms remainers have labelled leavers since the referendum.TheScreamingEagles said:
I guess English isn't your first language.kjohnw said:
Remainers seem to want to label all leavers as nutters , hardly the way to reconcile a divided nationTheScreamingEagles said:You can imagine the more nuttier* elements of the ERG putting burning EU flags in the gardens of EU citizens living in the UK.
*Horrendous tautology I know.
My comment was NOT directed at all leavers, I was precise in that it was focussed on the ERG.
I'm only using the language Leavers use towards the ERG.0 -
Where are you getting that number from?Gallowgate said:
52,388 to be exact.Recidivist said:
Just googled it. It's area is 230000 sq metres. So you'd get nearly a million in it if you squeezed them and if there wasn't a body of water in the middle.Gallowgate said:
I’ll have you know that St James Park has a capacity of 52,000 👌Recidivist said:
At the risk of setting you know who off, I think that figure is an underestimate of participation. It might be a true reflection of how many people followed the official march - and even then they don't seem to have allowed for the fact that the march was continually getting new feeds at the back through the afternoon - but there were also considerable crowds joining at Green Park and a large gathering of people at St James Park big enough to have their own stage. (Not sure what it was - anyone know?). My estimate is the true figure is closer to 900,000.FF43 said:
It will still be in the top three biggest public attendance events ever in the UK, and probably the second after the Stop the Iraq War march of 2003.CarlottaVance said:
The point they are making in that article is that numbers are always overestimated.0 -
I only got as far as the screen in Whitehall by 1515, having set off from Hyde Park Corner at 1215, so listened until Heseltine at 1600, then went for a beer with my brother, and a few of his neighbours. I never made it into Parliament Square as it was too packed.Recidivist said:
At the risk of setting you know who off, I think that figure is an underestimate of participation. It might be a true reflection of how many people followed the official march - and even then they don't seem to have allowed for the fact that the march was continually getting new feeds at the back through the afternoon - but there were also considerable crowds joining at Green Park and a large gathering of people at St James Park big enough to have their own stage. (Not sure what it was - anyone know?). My estimate is the true figure is closer to 900,000.FF43 said:
It will still be in the top three biggest public attendance events ever in the UK, and probably the second after the Stop the Iraq War march of 2003.CarlottaVance said:
The point they are making in that article is that numbers are always overestimated.
It is a bit like the £350 million per week bus. It may only be half that but talking about the numbers just keeps the focus on the vast numbers that turn out to oppose Brexit. Carry on talking about them and the petition too
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The one where we pay all the taxes to bail out bankers in the City when they make errors a fairly bright three year old would avoid?AlastairMeeks said:The Countryside Alliance march? Was that the one when all the bumpkins came to London to thank them for subsidising their lifestyle so heavily?
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Right wing women are hotter than lefties. It's a universal truth.SeanT said:
I went on that march, just for the lolzAlastairMeeks said:The Countryside Alliance march? Was that the one when all the bumpkins came to London to thank them for subsidising their lifestyle so heavily?
What amazed me was the physical beauty of the girls (and boys, to be fair). Posh country English folk have very lovely daughters (with excellent teeth, and lovely honey blonde or russet red hair). It was like a parade of the best of Hitler Youth, only they were obsessed with killing foxes not Jews.0 -
An accusation that will doubtless dog them.Recidivist said:
Well they could hardly complain if somebody did hunt them.ydoethur said:
Is this a new sport? Hunt the PB members on the CA March?Casino_Royale said:
I was there too.TOPPING said:
We might have bumped into each other there Richard.Richard_Tyndall said:
The official police numbers for the 2002 CA march was 400,000. Made not a blind bit of difference of course. I was on that one.AndyJS said:
The Countryside Alliance got some pretty big crowds at their various demonstrations during the Blair premiership.FF43 said:
It will still be in the top three biggest public attendance events ever in the UK, and probably the second after the Stop the Iraq War march of 2003.CarlottaVance said:
The point they are making in that article is that numbers are always overestimated.0 -
Does anyone have email addresses for those eight magnificently gullible Remain ministers? I have some magic beans going cheap I am sure they’ll be interested in buying.-1
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SouthamObserver said:
Does anyone have email addresses for those eight magnificently gullible Remain ministers? I have some magic beans going cheap I am sure they’ll be interested in buying.
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Have you bean stalking Leavers again?SouthamObserver said:Does anyone have email addresses for those eight magnificently gullible Remain ministers? I have some magic beans going cheap I am sure they’ll be interested in buying.
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Tally ho away if @Ishmael_Z wasn’t there he’ll be banished to the VWH for a season.ydoethur said:
Is this a new sport? Hunt the PB members on the CA March?Casino_Royale said:
I was there too.TOPPING said:
We might have bumped into each other there Richard.Richard_Tyndall said:
The official police numbers for the 2002 CA march was 400,000. Made not a blind bit of difference of course. I was on that one.AndyJS said:
The Countryside Alliance got some pretty big crowds at their various demonstrations during the Blair premiership.FF43 said:
It will still be in the top three biggest public attendance events ever in the UK, and probably the second after the Stop the Iraq War march of 2003.CarlottaVance said:
The point they are making in that article is that numbers are always overestimated.0 -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_James'_ParkRecidivist said:
Where are you getting that number from?Gallowgate said:
52,388 to be exact.Recidivist said:
Just googled it. It's area is 230000 sq metres. So you'd get nearly a million in it if you squeezed them and if there wasn't a body of water in the middle.Gallowgate said:
I’ll have you know that St James Park has a capacity of 52,000 👌Recidivist said:
At the risk of setting you know who off, I think that figure is an underestimate of participation. It might be a true reflection of how many people followed the official march - and even then they don't seem to have allowed for the fact that the march was continually getting new feeds at the back through the afternoon - but there were also considerable crowds joining at Green Park and a large gathering of people at St James Park big enough to have their own stage. (Not sure what it was - anyone know?). My estimate is the true figure is closer to 900,000.FF43 said:
It will still be in the top three biggest public attendance events ever in the UK, and probably the second after the Stop the Iraq War march of 2003.CarlottaVance said:
The point they are making in that article is that numbers are always overestimated.0 -
Unless you're Mrs Sean T apparentlyMaxPB said:
Right wing women are hotter than lefties. It's a universal truth.SeanT said:
I went on that march, just for the lolzAlastairMeeks said:The Countryside Alliance march? Was that the one when all the bumpkins came to London to thank them for subsidising their lifestyle so heavily?
What amazed me was the physical beauty of the girls (and boys, to be fair). Posh country English folk have very lovely daughters (with excellent teeth, and lovely honey blonde or russet red hair). It was like a parade of the best of Hitler Youth, only they were obsessed with killing foxes not Jews.0 -
And nary an intellectual justification for any of these positions.TheScreamingEagles said:
He's been on one heck of a journey in the last fortnight from collaborating with a foreign power to interfere in the UK to facilitate No Deal to approving the Deal.Pulpstar said:0 -
It's the capacity of St James' Park.Recidivist said:
Where are you getting that number from?Gallowgate said:
52,388 to be exact.Recidivist said:
Just googled it. It's area is 230000 sq metres. So you'd get nearly a million in it if you squeezed them and if there wasn't a body of water in the middle.Gallowgate said:
I’ll have you know that St James Park has a capacity of 52,000 👌Recidivist said:
At the risk of setting you know who off, I think that figure is an underestimate of participation. It might be a true reflection of how many people followed the official march - and even then they don't seem to have allowed for the fact that the march was continually getting new feeds at the back through the afternoon - but there were also considerable crowds joining at Green Park and a large gathering of people at St James Park big enough to have their own stage. (Not sure what it was - anyone know?). My estimate is the true figure is closer to 900,000.FF43 said:
It will still be in the top three biggest public attendance events ever in the UK, and probably the second after the Stop the Iraq War march of 2003.CarlottaVance said:
The point they are making in that article is that numbers are always overestimated.0 -
I think you might find he is talking about a far more important St James Park somewhere up around Tyneside?Recidivist said:
Where are you getting that number from?Gallowgate said:
52,388 to be exact.Recidivist said:
Just googled it. It's area is 230000 sq metres. So you'd get nearly a million in it if you squeezed them and if there wasn't a body of water in the middle.Gallowgate said:
I’ll have you know that St James Park has a capacity of 52,000 👌Recidivist said:
At the risk of setting you know who off, I think that figure is an underestimate of participation. It might be a true reflection of how many people followed the official march - and even then they don't seem to have allowed for the fact that the march was continually getting new feeds at the back through the afternoon - but there were also considerable crowds joining at Green Park and a large gathering of people at St James Park big enough to have their own stage. (Not sure what it was - anyone know?). My estimate is the true figure is closer to 900,000.FF43 said:
It will still be in the top three biggest public attendance events ever in the UK, and probably the second after the Stop the Iraq War march of 2003.CarlottaVance said:
The point they are making in that article is that numbers are always overestimated. 0 -
Here's another one. Leavers - all 17.4 million of us, cannot appreciate art and are NECESSARILY philistines.TheScreamingEagles said:
Horrendous straw man arguments from you when you're exposed as talking bollocks.kjohnw said:
Little Englanders loons fruitcakes swivel eyed thickos racists amongst the other terms remainers have labelled leavers since the referendum.TheScreamingEagles said:
I guess English isn't your first language.kjohnw said:
Remainers seem to want to label all leavers as nutters , hardly the way to reconcile a divided nationTheScreamingEagles said:You can imagine the more nuttier* elements of the ERG putting burning EU flags in the gardens of EU citizens living in the UK.
*Horrendous tautology I know.
My comment was NOT directed at all leavers, I was precise in that it was focussed on the ERG.
I'm only using the language Leavers use towards the ERG.
https://twitter.com/JANUSZCZAK/status/1109111214817316864
So we are thick, old, racist, stupid and hideously uncultured, kind of like bipedal geriatric monkeys, or something.
And these are the people that Remainers are trying to win to their cause, in a 2nd referendum.
I honestly think the grotesque snobbery, hypocrisy and elitism from Remainers would very likely make me vote Leave all over again. Remainers are just repulsive. They need to be taught a lesson. YOU CAN'T ALWAYS GET WHAT YOU WANT. YOU NARCISSISTIC C*NTS.0 -
The best strategy for them is to save resignations for the moment, if it arrives, where a no deal decision is about to be made. They'll take a big chunk of their party with them, be able to bring down the government and opt for an alternative course, and have politics students writing essays about them in a hundred years time. Compared with that why walk out just now, when the tide appears to be flowing in their direction?SouthamObserver said:Does anyone have email addresses for those eight magnificently gullible Remain ministers? I have some magic beans going cheap I am sure they’ll be interested in buying.
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If only MPs would listen to what the EU is saying.
A No Deal exit will happen on 12th April unless the Deal is voted for (unlikely), Article 50 is revoked (also unlikely) or Parliament decides to have a second referendum or a GE.
Debating and voting on other possibilities is pointless flim-flam.
If MPs don’t pick one of the above options, a No Deal exit will happen.
One hopes the penny drops before 12th April. I have my doubts.0 -
So, is May more secure or what?0
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That's one of the reasons I don't want another referendum.SeanT said:
Here's another one. Leavers - all 17.4 million of us, cannot appreciate art and are NECESSARILY philistines.TheScreamingEagles said:
Horrendous straw man arguments from you when you're exposed as talking bollocks.kjohnw said:
Little Englanders loons fruitcakes swivel eyed thickos racists amongst the other terms remainers have labelled leavers since the referendum.TheScreamingEagles said:
I guess English isn't your first language.kjohnw said:
Remainers seem to want to label all leavers as nutters , hardly the way to reconcile a divided nationTheScreamingEagles said:You can imagine the more nuttier* elements of the ERG putting burning EU flags in the gardens of EU citizens living in the UK.
*Horrendous tautology I know.
My comment was NOT directed at all leavers, I was precise in that it was focussed on the ERG.
I'm only using the language Leavers use towards the ERG.
https://twitter.com/JANUSZCZAK/status/1109111214817316864
So we are thick, old, racist, stupid and hideously uncultured, kind of like bipedal geriatric monkeys, or something.
And these are the people that Remainers are trying to win to their cause, in a 2nd referendum.
I honestly think the grotesque snobbery, hypocrisy and elitism from Remainers would very likely make me vote Leave all over again. Remainers are just repulsive. They need to be taught a lesson. YOU CAN'T ALWAYS GET WHAT YOU WANT. YOU NARCISSISTIC C*NTS.
I think Remain would make the same mistakes over again.
Much better for us to leave and experience life outside the EU then decide if that's what we really want or to Rejoin.0 -
Surely the last few weeks have shown that Cabinet ministers have the square root of f-all influence on what May does?nico67 said:Not sure why some Remainers want more pro EU cabinet members to resign .
There needs to be a counterweight to the no deal fantasists in the cabinet so they need to stay . Lower ranking ones fine but not Secretary’s .
As it is May put in some alleged Remainers who then ditched that stance to suck up to the Tory Membership.
So we need the saner ones in there .
She only goes against the ERG's preferred course when a Commons vote forces her into it.0 -
I think you will find it was the one where they asked very politicly for your thanks for keeping you fed and watered.AlastairMeeks said:The Countryside Alliance march? Was that the one when all the bumpkins came to London to thank them for subsidising their lifestyle so heavily?
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Aren’t you a bumpkin now?AlastairMeeks said:The Countryside Alliance march? Was that the one when all the bumpkins came to London to thank them for subsidising their lifestyle so heavily?
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...says a member of the metropolitan elite.SeanT said:
Here's another one. Leavers - all 17.4 million of us, cannot appreciate art and are NECESSARILY philistines.TheScreamingEagles said:
Horrendous straw man arguments from you when you're exposed as talking bollocks.kjohnw said:
Little Englanders loons fruitcakes swivel eyed thickos racists amongst the other terms remainers have labelled leavers since the referendum.TheScreamingEagles said:
I guess English isn't your first language.kjohnw said:
Remainers seem to want to label all leavers as nutters , hardly the way to reconcile a divided nationTheScreamingEagles said:You can imagine the more nuttier* elements of the ERG putting burning EU flags in the gardens of EU citizens living in the UK.
*Horrendous tautology I know.
My comment was NOT directed at all leavers, I was precise in that it was focussed on the ERG.
I'm only using the language Leavers use towards the ERG.
https://twitter.com/JANUSZCZAK/status/1109111214817316864
So we are thick, old, racist, stupid and hideously uncultured, kind of like bipedal geriatric monkeys, or something.
And these are the people that Remainers are trying to win to their cause, in a 2nd referendum.
I honestly think the grotesque snobbery, hypocrisy and elitism from Remainers would very likely make me vote Leave all over again. Remainers are just repulsive. They need to be taught a lesson. YOU CAN'T ALWAYS GET WHAT YOU WANT. YOU NARCISSISTIC C*NTS.0 -
If your job was to teach MPs instead of bankers not to be fuckwits, you would by now be a millionaire.Cyclefree said:If only MPs would listen to what the EU is saying.
A No Deal exit will happen on 12th April unless the Deal is voted for (unlikely), Article 50 is revoked (also unlikely) or Parliament decides to have a second referendum or a GE.
Debating and voting on other possibilities is pointless flim-flam.
If MPs don’t pick one of the above options, a No Deal exit will happen.
One hopes the penny drops before 12th April. I have my doubts.
And probably committed to psychiatric care due to the mind-blowing frustration involved.0 -
Too many self-important dickheads in Westminster - who love the sound of their own voice.Cyclefree said:If only MPs would listen to what the EU is saying.
A No Deal exit will happen on 12th April unless the Deal is voted for (unlikely), Article 50 is revoked (also unlikely) or Parliament decides to have a second referendum or a GE.
Debating and voting on other possibilities is pointless flim-flam.
If MPs don’t pick one of the above options, a No Deal exit will happen.
One hopes the penny drops before 12th April. I have my doubts.
I'm not sure they have a "Just listen to someone smarter than you" setting.0 -
I just wonder just how many months Osborne has been buffing his editorial on the mantelpiece for the day May falls.
He must be incredibly frustrated he keeps getting so heavily prickteased by the Cabinet.0 -
Actually Mrs Sean T has taken a rightward turn.ExiledInScotland said:
Unless you're Mrs Sean T apparentlyMaxPB said:
Right wing women are hotter than lefties. It's a universal truth.SeanT said:
I went on that march, just for the lolzAlastairMeeks said:The Countryside Alliance march? Was that the one when all the bumpkins came to London to thank them for subsidising their lifestyle so heavily?
What amazed me was the physical beauty of the girls (and boys, to be fair). Posh country English folk have very lovely daughters (with excellent teeth, and lovely honey blonde or russet red hair). It was like a parade of the best of Hitler Youth, only they were obsessed with killing foxes not Jews.
I got her to read Wild Swans, by Jung Chang, and she's been on a journey ever since
To be fair to her, the journey began before we met. One of the reasons she dropped out of SOAS was because she couldn't stand the crazy identity politics and the fetishising of Islam by lefty feminists.0 -
They are either being stupid or acting stupid and hoping the voters don't notice!Cyclefree said:If only MPs would listen to what the EU is saying.
A No Deal exit will happen on 12th April unless the Deal is voted for (unlikely), Article 50 is revoked (also unlikely) or Parliament decides to have a second referendum or a GE.
Debating and voting on other possibilities is pointless flim-flam.
If MPs don’t pick one of the above options, a No Deal exit will happen.
One hopes the penny drops before 12th April. I have my doubts.0 -
Doesn't bring the DUP onboard..TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
We've booked a room at Claridges for the party.Casino_Royale said:I just wonder just how many months Osborne has been buffing his editorial on the mantelpiece for the day May falls.
He must be incredibly frustrated he keeps getting so heavily prickteased by the Cabinet.0 -
That is a very interesting book. Much better than Jung's biography of Mao, I think.SeanT said:
Actually Mrs Sean T has taken a rightward turn.ExiledInScotland said:
Unless you're Mrs Sean T apparentlyMaxPB said:
Right wing women are hotter than lefties. It's a universal truth.SeanT said:
I went on that march, just for the lolzAlastairMeeks said:The Countryside Alliance march? Was that the one when all the bumpkins came to London to thank them for subsidising their lifestyle so heavily?
What amazed me was the physical beauty of the girls (and boys, to be fair). Posh country English folk have very lovely daughters (with excellent teeth, and lovely honey blonde or russet red hair). It was like a parade of the best of Hitler Youth, only they were obsessed with killing foxes not Jews.
I got her to read Wild Swans, by Jung Chang, and she's been on a journey ever since
To be fair to her, the journey began before we met. One of the reasons she dropped out of SOAS was because she couldn't stand the crazy identity politics and the fetishising of Islam by lefty feminists.0 -
They would.TheScreamingEagles said:
That's one of the reasons I don't want another referendum.SeanT said:
Here's another one. Leavers - all 17.4 million of us, cannot appreciate art and are NECESSARILY philistines.TheScreamingEagles said:
Horrendous straw man arguments from you when you're exposed as talking bollocks.kjohnw said:
Little Englanders loons fruitcakes swivel eyed thickos racists amongst the other terms remainers have labelled leavers since the referendum.TheScreamingEagles said:
I guess English isn't your first language.kjohnw said:
Remainers seem to want to label all leavers as nutters , hardly the way to reconcile a divided nationTheScreamingEagles said:You can imagine the more nuttier* elements of the ERG putting burning EU flags in the gardens of EU citizens living in the UK.
*Horrendous tautology I know.
My comment was NOT directed at all leavers, I was precise in that it was focussed on the ERG.
I'm only using the language Leavers use towards the ERG.
https://twitter.com/JANUSZCZAK/status/1109111214817316864
So we are thick, old, racist, stupid and hideously uncultured, kind of like bipedal geriatric monkeys, or something.
And these are the people that Remainers are trying to win to their cause, in a 2nd referendum.
I honestly think the grotesque snobbery, hypocrisy and elitism from Remainers would very likely make me vote Leave all over again. Remainers are just repulsive. They need to be taught a lesson. YOU CAN'T ALWAYS GET WHAT YOU WANT. YOU NARCISSISTIC C*NTS.
I think Remain would make the same mistakes over again.
Much better for us to leave and experience life outside the EU then decide if that's what we really want or to Rejoin.
Noone has learnt anything from this.0 -
"might" and "if" seem to be key words in there.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
It is indeed. Kind of a land locked Mont Saint Michel.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Yes, I know - I've been to San Marino. Its quite nice.HYUFD said:
More people live in the area covered by Epping Forest District Council than live in San MarinoAramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Did you miss Scotland's 2-0 humbling of the mighty and Most Serene Republic of San Marino yesterday? What a performance, put me in mind of the '74 Holland team...MarqueeMark said:
Having Macedonians sing "Are you Scotland in disguise"? must have shamed them into some activity.....HYUFD said:England score again to take the lead
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Yeah I think it was the same problem both times. The pinch point where Piccadilly meets Park Lane held up loads of people. Punters with local knowledge were joining at Green Park. That was why it felt a lot bigger on the march itself this time. Last year it thinned out a bit on Piccadily - but this time there were effectively two feeds in. That is the why the crowd expert has got the number wrong by a factor of 2.Foxy said:
I only got as far as the screen in Whitehall by 1515, having set off from Hyde Park Corner at 1215, so listened until Heseltine at 1600, then went for a beer with my brother, and a few of his neighbours. I never made it into Parliament Square as it was too packed.Recidivist said:
At the risk of setting you know who off, I think that figure is an underestimate of participation. It might be a true reflection of how many people followed the official march - and even then they don't seem to have allowed for the fact that the march was continually getting new feeds at the back through the afternoon - but there were also considerable crowds joining at Green Park and a large gathering of people at St James Park big enough to have their own stage. (Not sure what it was - anyone know?). My estimate is the true figure is closer to 900,000.FF43 said:
It will still be in the top three biggest public attendance events ever in the UK, and probably the second after the Stop the Iraq War march of 2003.CarlottaVance said:
The point they are making in that article is that numbers are always overestimated.
It is a bit like the £350 million per week bus. It may only be half that but talking about the numbers just keeps the focus on the vast numbers that turn out to oppose Brexit. Carry on talking about them and the petition too0 -
Yes, but you can have some incredibly angry sex with lefty girls if you are a righty.MaxPB said:
Right wing women are hotter than lefties. It's a universal truth.SeanT said:
I went on that march, just for the lolzAlastairMeeks said:The Countryside Alliance march? Was that the one when all the bumpkins came to London to thank them for subsidising their lifestyle so heavily?
What amazed me was the physical beauty of the girls (and boys, to be fair). Posh country English folk have very lovely daughters (with excellent teeth, and lovely honey blonde or russet red hair). It was like a parade of the best of Hitler Youth, only they were obsessed with killing foxes not Jews.0 -
IMagine if you were following the result of a referendum, and the central pledge of your last manifesto, and the central pledge of the opposition's too, but those who weren't were calling you the extremists. If you are yet to be convinced, here's some evidence of who was looking for purges and executions recently:TheScreamingEagles said:
Horrendous straw man arguments from you when you're exposed as talking bollocks.kjohnw said:
Little Englanders loons fruitcakes swivel eyed thickos racists amongst the other terms remainers have labelled leavers since the referendum.TheScreamingEagles said:
I guess English isn't your first language.kjohnw said:
Remainers seem to want to label all leavers as nutters , hardly the way to reconcile a divided nationTheScreamingEagles said:You can imagine the more nuttier* elements of the ERG putting burning EU flags in the gardens of EU citizens living in the UK.
*Horrendous tautology I know.
My comment was NOT directed at all leavers, I was precise in that it was focussed on the ERG.
I'm only using the language Leavers use towards the ERG.
https://twitter.com/Andrew_Adonis/status/1109765875433910272
https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1109372378344239104
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A lot of lefties feminists are now getting in trouble because of their resistance of trans rights.SeanT said:
Actually Mrs Sean T has taken a rightward turn.ExiledInScotland said:
Unless you're Mrs Sean T apparentlyMaxPB said:
Right wing women are hotter than lefties. It's a universal truth.SeanT said:
I went on that march, just for the lolzAlastairMeeks said:The Countryside Alliance march? Was that the one when all the bumpkins came to London to thank them for subsidising their lifestyle so heavily?
What amazed me was the physical beauty of the girls (and boys, to be fair). Posh country English folk have very lovely daughters (with excellent teeth, and lovely honey blonde or russet red hair). It was like a parade of the best of Hitler Youth, only they were obsessed with killing foxes not Jews.
I got her to read Wild Swans, by Jung Chang, and she's been on a journey ever since
To be fair to her, the journey began before we met. One of the reasons she dropped out of SOAS was because she couldn't stand the crazy identity politics and the fetishising of Islam by lefty feminists.0 -
I just don’t see how things are flowing their way. Letwin Cooper Boles will Gail by more votes than last time, May’s Deal will fail, which means that something else has to happen to prevent No Deal. What will that be when the ERG congenitally disloyal and the Soft Brexiteers are so supine?IanB2 said:
The best strategy for them is to save resignations for the moment, if it arrives, where a no deal decision is about to be made. They'll take a big chunk of their party with them, be able to bring down the government and opt for an alternative course, and have politics students writing essays about them in a hundred years time. Compared with that why walk out just now, when the tide appears to be flowing in their direction?SouthamObserver said:Does anyone have email addresses for those eight magnificently gullible Remain ministers? I have some magic beans going cheap I am sure they’ll be interested in buying.
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And May isn't? Or Hunt? Boris?!!ydoethur said:
No, too gaffe prone. Poll taxes and tax cuts both spring to mind.Peter_the_Punter said:Why isn't Letwin PM - too damn reasonable?
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Hope not.ydoethur said:
Is this a new sport? Hunt the PB members on the CA March?Casino_Royale said:
I was there too.TOPPING said:
We might have bumped into each other there Richard.Richard_Tyndall said:
The official police numbers for the 2002 CA march was 400,000. Made not a blind bit of difference of course. I was on that one.AndyJS said:
The Countryside Alliance got some pretty big crowds at their various demonstrations during the Blair premiership.FF43 said:
It will still be in the top three biggest public attendance events ever in the UK, and probably the second after the Stop the Iraq War march of 2003.CarlottaVance said:
The point they are making in that article is that numbers are always overestimated.
Fat lot of good it did too.0 -
I completely agree. I have gone from thinking Remain would walk a 2nd vote to thinking: Jesus, they can't help themselves. Even when they are trying to "reach out" and understand the Leave vote they sound patronising, supercilious and impatient, when they are relaxing and chilled they are brutally snobbish, and openly contemptuous, of their fellow Brits who voted Leave.TheScreamingEagles said:
That's one of the reasons I don't want another referendum.SeanT said:
Here's another one. Leavers - all 17.4 million of us, cannot appreciate art and are NECESSARILY philistines.TheScreamingEagles said:
Horrendous straw man arguments from you when you're exposed as talking bollocks.kjohnw said:
Little Englanders loons fruitcakes swivel eyed thickos racists amongst the other terms remainers have labelled leavers since the referendum.TheScreamingEagles said:
I guess English isn't your first language.kjohnw said:
Remainers seem to want to label all leavers as nutters , hardly the way to reconcile a divided nationTheScreamingEagles said:You can imagine the more nuttier* elements of the ERG putting burning EU flags in the gardens of EU citizens living in the UK.
*Horrendous tautology I know.
My comment was NOT directed at all leavers, I was precise in that it was focussed on the ERG.
I'm only using the language Leavers use towards the ERG.
https://twitter.com/JANUSZCZAK/status/1109111214817316864
So we are thick, old, racist, stupid and hideously uncultured, kind of like bipedal geriatric monkeys, or something.
And these are the people that Remainers are trying to win to their cause, in a 2nd referendum.
I honestly think the grotesque snobbery, hypocrisy and elitism from Remainers would very likely make me vote Leave all over again. Remainers are just repulsive. They need to be taught a lesson. YOU CAN'T ALWAYS GET WHAT YOU WANT. YOU NARCISSISTIC C*NTS.
I think Remain would make the same mistakes over again.
Much better for us to leave and experience life outside the EU then decide if that's what we really want or to Rejoin.
All this de haut en bas hatred for the proles would be cruelly exposed in a 2nd campaign. Because Remainers have no clue how they sound to ordinary people.
So yes, I think you're right: Remain might easily lose again, possibly by an even bigger margin.0 -
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When it comes to 11 April, and there's a Commons vote on whether to have a longer extension or leave with No Deal, these gutless ministers will still find a lame excuse to not resign/rebel against the whip.IanB2 said:
The best strategy for them is to save resignations for the moment, if it arrives, where a no deal decision is about to be made. They'll take a big chunk of their party with them, be able to bring down the government and opt for an alternative course, and have politics students writing essays about them in a hundred years time. Compared with that why walk out just now, when the tide appears to be flowing in their direction?SouthamObserver said:Does anyone have email addresses for those eight magnificently gullible Remain ministers? I have some magic beans going cheap I am sure they’ll be interested in buying.
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That makes you a positive influence then. Good ManSeanT said:
Actually Mrs Sean T has taken a rightward turn.ExiledInScotland said:
Unless you're Mrs Sean T apparentlyMaxPB said:
Right wing women are hotter than lefties. It's a universal truth.SeanT said:
I went on that march, just for the lolzAlastairMeeks said:The Countryside Alliance march? Was that the one when all the bumpkins came to London to thank them for subsidising their lifestyle so heavily?
What amazed me was the physical beauty of the girls (and boys, to be fair). Posh country English folk have very lovely daughters (with excellent teeth, and lovely honey blonde or russet red hair). It was like a parade of the best of Hitler Youth, only they were obsessed with killing foxes not Jews.
I got her to read Wild Swans, by Jung Chang, and she's been on a journey ever since
To be fair to her, the journey began before we met. One of the reasons she dropped out of SOAS was because she couldn't stand the crazy identity politics and the fetishising of Islam by lefty feminists.0 -
It’s not the voters noticing they need to worry about. It’s the EU. They have the power to stop us exiting without a deal. To coin a phrase, they have Taken Back Control.NorthofStoke said:
They are either being stupid or acting stupid and hoping the voters don't notice!Cyclefree said:If only MPs would listen to what the EU is saying.
A No Deal exit will happen on 12th April unless the Deal is voted for (unlikely), Article 50 is revoked (also unlikely) or Parliament decides to have a second referendum or a GE.
Debating and voting on other possibilities is pointless flim-flam.
If MPs don’t pick one of the above options, a No Deal exit will happen.
One hopes the penny drops before 12th April. I have my doubts.0 -
What? Every day? Just in case?TheScreamingEagles said:
We've booked a room at Claridges for the party.Casino_Royale said:I just wonder just how many months Osborne has been buffing his editorial on the mantelpiece for the day May falls.
He must be incredibly frustrated he keeps getting so heavily prickteased by the Cabinet.0 -
That's a beyond disgraceful threat from a member of one of our legislative bodies toward the civil service.Drutt said:0 -
Breathing room for England now.0
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I feel your pain it’s never easy working out the whole Monet/Manet or Pouilly Fume/Fuisse thing is it.SeanT said:
Here's another one. Leavers - all 17.4 million of us, cannot appreciate art and are NECESSARILY philistines.TheScreamingEagles said:
Horrendous straw man arguments from you when you're exposed as talking bollocks.kjohnw said:
Little Englanders loons fruitcakes swivel eyed thickos racists amongst the other terms remainers have labelled leavers since the referendum.TheScreamingEagles said:
I guess English isn't your first language.kjohnw said:
Remainers seem to want to label all leavers as nutters , hardly the way to reconcile a divided nationTheScreamingEagles said:You can imagine the more nuttier* elements of the ERG putting burning EU flags in the gardens of EU citizens living in the UK.
*Horrendous tautology I know.
My comment was NOT directed at all leavers, I was precise in that it was focussed on the ERG.
I'm only using the language Leavers use towards the ERG.
https://twitter.com/JANUSZCZAK/status/1109111214817316864
So we are thick, old, racist, stupid and hideously uncultured, kind of like bipedal geriatric monkeys, or something.
And these are the people that Remainers are trying to win to their cause, in a 2nd referendum.
I honestly think the grotesque snobbery, hypocrisy and elitism from Remainers would very likely make me vote Leave all over again. Remainers are just repulsive. They need to be taught a lesson. YOU CAN'T ALWAYS GET WHAT YOU WANT. YOU NARCISSISTIC C*NTS.0 -
Even May voted for extension over No Deal last time and would probably do so againDanny565 said:
When it comes to 11 April, and there's a Commons vote on whether to have a longer extension or leave with No Deal, these gutless ministers will still find a lame excuse to not resign/rebel against the whip.IanB2 said:
The best strategy for them is to save resignations for the moment, if it arrives, where a no deal decision is about to be made. They'll take a big chunk of their party with them, be able to bring down the government and opt for an alternative course, and have politics students writing essays about them in a hundred years time. Compared with that why walk out just now, when the tide appears to be flowing in their direction?SouthamObserver said:Does anyone have email addresses for those eight magnificently gullible Remain ministers? I have some magic beans going cheap I am sure they’ll be interested in buying.
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Good for Mrs. SeanT.SeanT said:
Actually Mrs Sean T has taken a rightward turn.ExiledInScotland said:
Unless you're Mrs Sean T apparentlyMaxPB said:
Right wing women are hotter than lefties. It's a universal truth.SeanT said:
I went on that march, just for the lolzAlastairMeeks said:The Countryside Alliance march? Was that the one when all the bumpkins came to London to thank them for subsidising their lifestyle so heavily?
What amazed me was the physical beauty of the girls (and boys, to be fair). Posh country English folk have very lovely daughters (with excellent teeth, and lovely honey blonde or russet red hair). It was like a parade of the best of Hitler Youth, only they were obsessed with killing foxes not Jews.
I got her to read Wild Swans, by Jung Chang, and she's been on a journey ever since
To be fair to her, the journey began before we met. One of the reasons she dropped out of SOAS was because she couldn't stand the crazy identity politics and the fetishising of Islam by lefty feminists.0 -
Indefinite extension, including contesting the EU Parliament elections, May made clear to day she is prepared to extend forever until the Commons passes her DealSouthamObserver said:
I just don’t see how things are flowing their way. Letwin Cooper Boles will Gail by more votes than last time, May’s Deal will fail, which means that something else has to happen to prevent No Deal. What will that be when the ERG congenitally disloyal and the Soft Brexiteers are so supine?IanB2 said:
The best strategy for them is to save resignations for the moment, if it arrives, where a no deal decision is about to be made. They'll take a big chunk of their party with them, be able to bring down the government and opt for an alternative course, and have politics students writing essays about them in a hundred years time. Compared with that why walk out just now, when the tide appears to be flowing in their direction?SouthamObserver said:Does anyone have email addresses for those eight magnificently gullible Remain ministers? I have some magic beans going cheap I am sure they’ll be interested in buying.
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Of course they will. They are invertebrates.Danny565 said:
When it comes to 11 April, and there's a Commons vote on whether to have a longer extension or leave with No Deal, these gutless ministers will still find a lame excuse to not resign/rebel against the whip.IanB2 said:
The best strategy for them is to save resignations for the moment, if it arrives, where a no deal decision is about to be made. They'll take a big chunk of their party with them, be able to bring down the government and opt for an alternative course, and have politics students writing essays about them in a hundred years time. Compared with that why walk out just now, when the tide appears to be flowing in their direction?SouthamObserver said:Does anyone have email addresses for those eight magnificently gullible Remain ministers? I have some magic beans going cheap I am sure they’ll be interested in buying.
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Not correct actually, the EU and Tusk made clear there could be extension beyond April 12th provided we contest the EU electionsCyclefree said:If only MPs would listen to what the EU is saying.
A No Deal exit will happen on 12th April unless the Deal is voted for (unlikely), Article 50 is revoked (also unlikely) or Parliament decides to have a second referendum or a GE.
Debating and voting on other possibilities is pointless flim-flam.
If MPs don’t pick one of the above options, a No Deal exit will happen.
One hopes the penny drops before 12th April. I have my doubts.0 -
They also have the power to enact no deal.Cyclefree said:
It’s not the voters noticing they need to worry about. It’s the EU. They have the power to stop us exiting without a deal. To coin a phrase, they have Taken Back Control.NorthofStoke said:
They are either being stupid or acting stupid and hoping the voters don't notice!Cyclefree said:If only MPs would listen to what the EU is saying.
A No Deal exit will happen on 12th April unless the Deal is voted for (unlikely), Article 50 is revoked (also unlikely) or Parliament decides to have a second referendum or a GE.
Debating and voting on other possibilities is pointless flim-flam.
If MPs don’t pick one of the above options, a No Deal exit will happen.
One hopes the penny drops before 12th April. I have my doubts.0 -
What the fucking fuck are you talking about?TOPPING said:
I feel your pain it’s never easy working out the whole Monet/Manet or Pouilly Fume/Fuisse thing is it.SeanT said:
Here's another one. Leavers - all 17.4 million of us, cannot appreciate art and are NECESSARILY philistines.TheScreamingEagles said:
Horrendous straw man arguments from you when you're exposed as talking bollocks.kjohnw said:
Little Englanders loons fruitcakes swivel eyed thickos racists amongst the other terms remainers have labelled leavers since the referendum.TheScreamingEagles said:
I guess English isn't your first language.kjohnw said:
Remainers seem to want to label all leavers as nutters , hardly the way to reconcile a divided nationTheScreamingEagles said:You can imagine the more nuttier* elements of the ERG putting burning EU flags in the gardens of EU citizens living in the UK.
*Horrendous tautology I know.
My comment was NOT directed at all leavers, I was precise in that it was focussed on the ERG.
I'm only using the language Leavers use towards the ERG.
https://twitter.com/JANUSZCZAK/status/1109111214817316864
So we are thick, old, racist, stupid and hideously uncultured, kind of like bipedal geriatric monkeys, or something.
And these are the people that Remainers are trying to win to their cause, in a 2nd referendum.
I honestly think the grotesque snobbery, hypocrisy and elitism from Remainers would very likely make me vote Leave all over again. Remainers are just repulsive. They need to be taught a lesson. YOU CAN'T ALWAYS GET WHAT YOU WANT. YOU NARCISSISTIC C*NTS.
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Older ones mainly. They were lefty 20 -30 years ago. Rather as Tatchell was once a loony lefty and is now relatively mainstream.FrancisUrquhart said:
A lot of lefties feminists are now getting in trouble because of their resistance of trans rights.SeanT said:
Actually Mrs Sean T has taken a rightward turn.ExiledInScotland said:
Unless you're Mrs Sean T apparentlyMaxPB said:
Right wing women are hotter than lefties. It's a universal truth.SeanT said:
I went on that march, just for the lolzAlastairMeeks said:The Countryside Alliance march? Was that the one when all the bumpkins came to London to thank them for subsidising their lifestyle so heavily?
What amazed me was the physical beauty of the girls (and boys, to be fair). Posh country English folk have very lovely daughters (with excellent teeth, and lovely honey blonde or russet red hair). It was like a parade of the best of Hitler Youth, only they were obsessed with killing foxes not Jews.
I got her to read Wild Swans, by Jung Chang, and she's been on a journey ever since
To be fair to her, the journey began before we met. One of the reasons she dropped out of SOAS was because she couldn't stand the crazy identity politics and the fetishising of Islam by lefty feminists.
There are strong connections between the anti-trans rights people and the Christian Right.0 -
Its funny.SeanT said:
I completely agree. I have gone from thinking Remain would walk a 2nd vote to thinking: Jesus, they can't help themselves. Even when they are trying to "reach out" and understand the Leave vote they sound patronising, supercilious and impatient, when they are relaxing and chilled they are brutally snobbish, and openly contemptuous, of their fellow Brits who voted Leave.TheScreamingEagles said:
That's one of the reasons I don't want another referendum.SeanT said:
Here's another one. Leavers - all 17.4 million of us, cannot appreciate art and are NECESSARILY philistines.TheScreamingEagles said:
Horrendous straw man arguments from you when you're exposed as talking bollocks.kjohnw said:
Little Englanders loons fruitcakes swivel eyed thickos racists amongst the other terms remainers have labelled leavers since the referendum.TheScreamingEagles said:
I guess English isn't your first language.kjohnw said:
Remainers seem to want to label all leavers as nutters , hardly the way to reconcile a divided nationTheScreamingEagles said:You can imagine the more nuttier* elements of the ERG putting burning EU flags in the gardens of EU citizens living in the UK.
*Horrendous tautology I know.
My comment was NOT directed at all leavers, I was precise in that it was focussed on the ERG.
I'm only using the language Leavers use towards the ERG.
https://twitter.com/JANUSZCZAK/status/1109111214817316864
So we are thick, old, racist, stupid and hideously uncultured, kind of like bipedal geriatric monkeys, or something.
And these are the people that Remainers are trying to win to their cause, in a 2nd referendum.
I honestly think the grotesque snobbery, hypocrisy and elitism from Remainers would very likely make me vote Leave all over again. Remainers are just repulsive. They need to be taught a lesson. YOU CAN'T ALWAYS GET WHAT YOU WANT. YOU NARCISSISTIC C*NTS.
I think Remain would make the same mistakes over again.
Much better for us to leave and experience life outside the EU then decide if that's what we really want or to Rejoin.
All this de haut en bas hatred for the proles would be cruelly exposed in a 2nd campaign. Because Remainers have no clue how they sound to ordinary people.
So yes, I think you're right: Remain might easily lose again, possibly by an even bigger margin.
The ERG put me off Brexit - never the ultra Remainers - and listening to the latter can push me to No Deal.0 -
Fast forward to 2022...may still pm, bercow still speaker, parliament still deadlocked over Brexit...SouthamObserver said:
Of course they will. They are invertebrates.Danny565 said:
When it comes to 11 April, and there's a Commons vote on whether to have a longer extension or leave with No Deal, these gutless ministers will still find a lame excuse to not resign/rebel against the whip.IanB2 said:
The best strategy for them is to save resignations for the moment, if it arrives, where a no deal decision is about to be made. They'll take a big chunk of their party with them, be able to bring down the government and opt for an alternative course, and have politics students writing essays about them in a hundred years time. Compared with that why walk out just now, when the tide appears to be flowing in their direction?SouthamObserver said:Does anyone have email addresses for those eight magnificently gullible Remain ministers? I have some magic beans going cheap I am sure they’ll be interested in buying.
h/twitter.com/ariehkovler/status/1110283498907156487?s=21
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Although, we have no problems sorting the Kants from the.....TOPPING said:
I feel your pain it’s never easy working out the whole Monet/Manet or Pouilly Fume/Fuisse thing is it.SeanT said:
Here's another one. Leavers - all 17.4 million of us, cannot appreciate art and are NECESSARILY philistines.TheScreamingEagles said:
Horrendous straw man arguments from you when you're exposed as talking bollocks.kjohnw said:
Little Englanders loons fruitcakes swivel eyed thickos racists amongst the other terms remainers have labelled leavers since the referendum.TheScreamingEagles said:
I guess English isn't your first language.kjohnw said:
Remainers seem to want to label all leavers as nutters , hardly the way to reconcile a divided nationTheScreamingEagles said:You can imagine the more nuttier* elements of the ERG putting burning EU flags in the gardens of EU citizens living in the UK.
*Horrendous tautology I know.
My comment was NOT directed at all leavers, I was precise in that it was focussed on the ERG.
I'm only using the language Leavers use towards the ERG.
https://twitter.com/JANUSZCZAK/status/1109111214817316864
So we are thick, old, racist, stupid and hideously uncultured, kind of like bipedal geriatric monkeys, or something.
And these are the people that Remainers are trying to win to their cause, in a 2nd referendum.
I honestly think the grotesque snobbery, hypocrisy and elitism from Remainers would very likely make me vote Leave all over again. Remainers are just repulsive. They need to be taught a lesson. YOU CAN'T ALWAYS GET WHAT YOU WANT. YOU NARCISSISTIC C*NTS.0 -
It isn't hatred just an inability to understand what makes a working class Northerner tick.SeanT said:
I completely agree. I have gone from thinking Remain would walk a 2nd vote to thinking: Jesus, they can't help themselves. Even when they are trying to "reach out" and understand the Leave vote they sound patronising, supercilious and impatient, when they are relaxing and chilled they are brutally snobbish, and openly contemptuous, of their fellow Brits who voted Leave.
All this de haut en bas hatred for the proles would be cruelly exposed in a 2nd campaign. Because Remainers have no clue how they sound to ordinary people.
So yes, I think you're right: Remain might easily lose again, possibly by an even bigger margin.
For example a few of us were amused that one of Stronger In's focus was that Brexit means the return of mobile roaming charges.
That means bugger all to a Leaver who can't afford to go on an overseas holiday.0 -
Nothing. Has. Changed.SouthamObserver said:Is anyone remotely surprised?
https://twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/1110282809250402304?s=21 0 -
One of the many reasons I adore my beautiful young wife, apart from the beauty and youth, is her sharp, funny, and vigorously inquiring mind. She won't just take what she's told. She goes out and reads and decides for herself.Casino_Royale said:
Good for Mrs. SeanT.SeanT said:
Actually Mrs Sean T has taken a rightward turn.ExiledInScotland said:
Unless you're Mrs Sean T apparentlyMaxPB said:
Right wing women are hotter than lefties. It's a universal truth.SeanT said:
I went on that march, just for the lolzAlastairMeeks said:The Countryside Alliance march? Was that the one when all the bumpkins came to London to thank them for subsidising their lifestyle so heavily?
What amazed me was the physical beauty of the girls (and boys, to be fair). Posh country English folk have very lovely daughters (with excellent teeth, and lovely honey blonde or russet red hair). It was like a parade of the best of Hitler Youth, only they were obsessed with killing foxes not Jews.
I got her to read Wild Swans, by Jung Chang, and she's been on a journey ever since
To be fair to her, the journey began before we met. One of the reasons she dropped out of SOAS was because she couldn't stand the crazy identity politics and the fetishising of Islam by lefty feminists.
She gives me hope for the future. She says there are others like her. In her generation. Who are beginning to reject the madness.
Inshallah!0 -
Reactionary dilemma, who was hotter, Unity or Jessica Mitford?MaxPB said:
Right wing women are hotter than lefties. It's a universal truth.SeanT said:
I went on that march, just for the lolzAlastairMeeks said:The Countryside Alliance march? Was that the one when all the bumpkins came to London to thank them for subsidising their lifestyle so heavily?
What amazed me was the physical beauty of the girls (and boys, to be fair). Posh country English folk have very lovely daughters (with excellent teeth, and lovely honey blonde or russet red hair). It was like a parade of the best of Hitler Youth, only they were obsessed with killing foxes not Jews.
Nb neither all that, but at least JM was smart & funny.0 -
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She needs a reason to extend. What will it be? That said, I accept the EU will be very accommodating in that respect, we now know they are as terrified of No Deal as us, if not more - for us No Deal at least honours the referendum (settling one issue), and clears the deck, and we become a truly independent country.HYUFD said:
Indefinite extension, including contesting the EU Parliament elections, May made clear to day she is prepared to extend forever until the Commons passes her DealSouthamObserver said:
I just don’t see how things are flowing their way. Letwin Cooper Boles will Gail by more votes than last time, May’s Deal will fail, which means that something else has to happen to prevent No Deal. What will that be when the ERG congenitally disloyal and the Soft Brexiteers are so supine?IanB2 said:
The best strategy for them is to save resignations for the moment, if it arrives, where a no deal decision is about to be made. They'll take a big chunk of their party with them, be able to bring down the government and opt for an alternative course, and have politics students writing essays about them in a hundred years time. Compared with that why walk out just now, when the tide appears to be flowing in their direction?SouthamObserver said:Does anyone have email addresses for those eight magnificently gullible Remain ministers? I have some magic beans going cheap I am sure they’ll be interested in buying.
For them No Deal is nothing but bad bad bad - Ireland in shock, several economies taking a hit (as they head into recession), and the EU permanently reduced and politically shrivelled, and lots of blame being handed around the Berlaymont,0 -
I note China lost 1-0 to Uzbekistan in the, er, China Cup.....0
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Beautiful stuff from England.
WE HAVE A TEAM0 -
Great break and finish from England for 4th goal.
God, I love Gareth Southgate.0 -
Diana for me.Theuniondivvie said:
Reactionary dilemma, who was hotter, Unity or Jessica Mitford?MaxPB said:
Right wing women are hotter than lefties. It's a universal truth.SeanT said:
I went on that march, just for the lolzAlastairMeeks said:The Countryside Alliance march? Was that the one when all the bumpkins came to London to thank them for subsidising their lifestyle so heavily?
What amazed me was the physical beauty of the girls (and boys, to be fair). Posh country English folk have very lovely daughters (with excellent teeth, and lovely honey blonde or russet red hair). It was like a parade of the best of Hitler Youth, only they were obsessed with killing foxes not Jews.
Nb neither all that, but at least JM was smart & funny.0 -
Cracker from England.0
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I hope Mr Letwin, in that event, will follow the will of parliament and temper his own accusations that the government is not doing the same.SouthamObserver said:Is anyone remotely surprised?
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When you paint it like that, No Deal is so damned attractive......SeanT said:
She needs a reason to extend. What will it be? That said, I accept the EU will be very accommodating in that respect, we now know they are as terrified of No Deal as us, if not more - for us No Deal at least honours the referendum (settling one issue), and clears the deck, and we become a truly independent country.HYUFD said:
Indefinite extension, including contesting the EU Parliament elections, May made clear to day she is prepared to extend forever until the Commons passes her DealSouthamObserver said:
I just don’t see how things are flowing their way. Letwin Cooper Boles will Gail by more votes than last time, May’s Deal will fail, which means that something else has to happen to prevent No Deal. What will that be when the ERG congenitally disloyal and the Soft Brexiteers are so supine?IanB2 said:
The best strategy for them is to save resignations for the moment, if it arrives, where a no deal decision is about to be made. They'll take a big chunk of their party with them, be able to bring down the government and opt for an alternative course, and have politics students writing essays about them in a hundred years time. Compared with that why walk out just now, when the tide appears to be flowing in their direction?SouthamObserver said:Does anyone have email addresses for those eight magnificently gullible Remain ministers? I have some magic beans going cheap I am sure they’ll be interested in buying.
For them No Deal is nothing but bad bad bad - Ireland in shock, several economies taking a hit (as they head into recession), and the EU permanently reduced and politically shrivelled, and lots of blame being handed around the Berlaymont,0 -
So crudeMarqueeMark said:
Although, we have no problems sorting the Kants from the.....TOPPING said:
I feel your pain it’s never easy working out the whole Monet/Manet or Pouilly Fume/Fuisse thing is it.SeanT said:
Here's another one. Leavers - all 17.4 million of us, cannot appreciate art and are NECESSARILY philistines.TheScreamingEagles said:
Horrendous straw man arguments from you when you're exposed as talking bollocks.kjohnw said:
Little Englanders loons fruitcakes swivel eyed thickos racists amongst the other terms remainers have labelled leavers since the referendum.TheScreamingEagles said:
I guess English isn't your first language.kjohnw said:
Remainers seem to want to label all leavers as nutters , hardly the way to reconcile a divided nationTheScreamingEagles said:You can imagine the more nuttier* elements of the ERG putting burning EU flags in the gardens of EU citizens living in the UK.
*Horrendous tautology I know.
My comment was NOT directed at all leavers, I was precise in that it was focussed on the ERG.
I'm only using the language Leavers use towards the ERG.
https://twitter.com/JANUSZCZAK/status/1109111214817316864
So we are thick, old, racist, stupid and hideously uncultured, kind of like bipedal geriatric monkeys, or something.
And these are the people that Remainers are trying to win to their cause, in a 2nd referendum.
I honestly think the grotesque snobbery, hypocrisy and elitism from Remainers would very likely make me vote Leave all over again. Remainers are just repulsive. They need to be taught a lesson. YOU CAN'T ALWAYS GET WHAT YOU WANT. YOU NARCISSISTIC C*NTS.0 -
The absolute worst case scenario for the EU is we leave with No Deal, and it turns out to be not very serious. At that point they run the risk of several other dissatisfied countries following suit. That I think is why they should be afraid of it.SeanT said:
She needs a reason to extend. What will it be? That said, I accept the EU will be very accommodating in that respect, we now know they are as terrified of No Deal as us, if not more - for us No Deal at least honours the referendum (settling one issue), and clears the deck, and we become a truly independent country.HYUFD said:
Indefinite extension, including contesting the EU Parliament elections, May made clear to day she is prepared to extend forever until the Commons passes her DealSouthamObserver said:
I just don’t see how things are flowing their way. Letwin Cooper Boles will Gail by more votes than last time, May’s Deal will fail, which means that something else has to happen to prevent No Deal. What will that be when the ERG congenitally disloyal and the Soft Brexiteers are so supine?IanB2 said:
The best strategy for them is to save resignations for the moment, if it arrives, where a no deal decision is about to be made. They'll take a big chunk of their party with them, be able to bring down the government and opt for an alternative course, and have politics students writing essays about them in a hundred years time. Compared with that why walk out just now, when the tide appears to be flowing in their direction?SouthamObserver said:Does anyone have email addresses for those eight magnificently gullible Remain ministers? I have some magic beans going cheap I am sure they’ll be interested in buying.
For them No Deal is nothing but bad bad bad - Ireland in shock, several economies taking a hit (as they head into recession), and the EU permanently reduced and politically shrivelled, and lots of blame being handed around the Berlaymont,
I'm not saying a No Deal wouldn't be very serious for us BTW, just that if it isn't a demonstrable irrefutable disaster that would be more damaging to the EU than us leaving with a deal.0 -
I wonder what percentage of the overall Leave vote do not ever go on holidays abroad.TheScreamingEagles said:
It isn't hatred just an inability to understand what makes a working class Northerner tick.SeanT said:
I completely agree. I have gone from thinking Remain would walk a 2nd vote to thinking: Jesus, they can't help themselves. Even when they are trying to "reach out" and understand the Leave vote they sound patronising, supercilious and impatient, when they are relaxing and chilled they are brutally snobbish, and openly contemptuous, of their fellow Brits who voted Leave.
All this de haut en bas hatred for the proles would be cruelly exposed in a 2nd campaign. Because Remainers have no clue how they sound to ordinary people.
So yes, I think you're right: Remain might easily lose again, possibly by an even bigger margin.
For example a few of us were amused that one of Stronger In's focus was that Brexit means the return of mobile roaming charges.
That means bugger all to a Leaver who can't afford to go on an overseas holiday.
My view is that a second referendum would be pretty tight. The Leave side also has a huge amount of negativity to overcome, especially around those would be fronting it.
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She doesn't really, all the EU have said they need is the UK to contest the EU Parliament elections and some votes to indicate what the Commons will vote for. As you say the EU have no interest in No Deal unless forced, it is a hassle and they know the Commons has voted to rule out No Deal permanently so the EU can just stand us in the corner forever if needed as long as we pay the bills and remain part of the institutions and get on with other thingsSeanT said:
She needs a reason to extend. What will it be? That said, I accept the EU will be very accommodating in that respect, we now know they are as terrified of No Deal as us, if not more - for us No Deal at least honours the referendum (settling one issue), and clears the deck, and we become a truly independent country.HYUFD said:
Indefinite extension, including contesting the EU Parliament elections, May made clear to day she is prepared to extend forever until the Commons passes her DealSouthamObserver said:
I just don’t see how things are flowing their way. Letwin Cooper Boles will Gail by more votes than last time, May’s Deal will fail, which means that something else has to happen to prevent No Deal. What will that be when the ERG congenitally disloyal and the Soft Brexiteers are so supine?IanB2 said:
The best strategy for them is to save resignations for the moment, if it arrives, where a no deal decision is about to be made. They'll take a big chunk of their party with them, be able to bring down the government and opt for an alternative course, and have politics students writing essays about them in a hundred years time. Compared with that why walk out just now, when the tide appears to be flowing in their direction?SouthamObserver said:Does anyone have email addresses for those eight magnificently gullible Remain ministers? I have some magic beans going cheap I am sure they’ll be interested in buying.
For them No Deal is nothing but bad bad bad - Ireland in shock, several economies taking a hit (as they head into recession), and the EU permanently reduced and politically shrivelled, and lots of blame being handed around the Berlaymont,0 -
The PM has recently contradicted various things she said quite specifically.IanB2 said:
The PM said quite specifically that recognising the view of the house, we wouldn't leave with no deal unless parliament so agreed.0 -
Is voting due to start at 10pm?0
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Except 44% of our exports go to the EU but only 16% of EU exports to the UK, it will hit us both, which is why the EU want to avoid it if possible but us more than themMarqueeMark said:
When you paint it like that, No Deal is so damned attractive......SeanT said:
She needs a reason to extend. What will it be? That said, I accept the EU will be very accommodating in that respect, we now know they are as terrified of No Deal as us, if not more - for us No Deal at least honours the referendum (settling one issue), and clears the deck, and we become a truly independent country.HYUFD said:
Indefinite extension, including contesting the EU Parliament elections, May made clear to day she is prepared to extend forever until the Commons passes her DealSouthamObserver said:
I just don’t see how things are flowing their way. Letwin Cooper Boles will Gail by more votes than last time, May’s Deal will fail, which means that something else has to happen to prevent No Deal. What will that be when the ERG congenitally disloyal and the Soft Brexiteers are so supine?IanB2 said:
The best strategy for them is to save resignations for the moment, if it arrives, where a no deal decision is about to be made. They'll take a big chunk of their party with them, be able to bring down the government and opt for an alternative course, and have politics students writing essays about them in a hundred years time. Compared with that why walk out just now, when the tide appears to be flowing in their direction?SouthamObserver said:Does anyone have email addresses for those eight magnificently gullible Remain ministers? I have some magic beans going cheap I am sure they’ll be interested in buying.
For them No Deal is nothing but bad bad bad - Ireland in shock, several economies taking a hit (as they head into recession), and the EU permanently reduced and politically shrivelled, and lots of blame being handed around the Berlaymont,
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Agreed, and they must think (as most of us do) that the longer it all drags on the more likely we are never to leave.HYUFD said:
She doesn't really, all the EU have said they need is the UK to contest the EU Parliament elections and some votes to indicate what the Commons will vote for. As you say the EU have no interest in No Deal unless forced, it is a hassle and they know the Commons has voted to rule out No Deal permanently so the EU can just stand us in the corner forever if needed as long as we pay the bills and remain part of the institutions and get on with other thingsSeanT said:
She needs a reason to extend. What will it be? That said, I accept the EU will be very accommodating in that respect, we now know they are as terrified of No Deal as us, if not more - for us No Deal at least honours the referendum (settling one issue), and clears the deck, and we become a truly independent country.HYUFD said:
Indefinite extension, including contesting the EU Parliament elections, May made clear to day she is prepared to extend forever until the Commons passes her DealSouthamObserver said:
I just don’t see how things are flowing their way. Letwin Cooper Boles will Gail by more votes than last time, May’s Deal will fail, which means that something else has to happen to prevent No Deal. What will that be when the ERG congenitally disloyal and the Soft Brexiteers are so supine?IanB2 said:
The best strategy for them is to save resignations for the moment, if it arrives, where a no deal decision is about to be made. They'll take a big chunk of their party with them, be able to bring down the government and opt for an alternative course, and have politics students writing essays about them in a hundred years time. Compared with that why walk out just now, when the tide appears to be flowing in their direction?SouthamObserver said:Does anyone have email addresses for those eight magnificently gullible Remain ministers? I have some magic beans going cheap I am sure they’ll be interested in buying.
For them No Deal is nothing but bad bad bad - Ireland in shock, several economies taking a hit (as they head into recession), and the EU permanently reduced and politically shrivelled, and lots of blame being handed around the Berlaymont,0 -
It's also absolute bollocks, which doesn't really help.TheScreamingEagles said:
It isn't hatred just an inability to understand what makes a working class Northerner tick.SeanT said:
I completely agree. I have gone from thinking Remain would walk a 2nd vote to thinking: Jesus, they can't help themselves. Even when they are trying to "reach out" and understand the Leave vote they sound patronising, supercilious and impatient, when they are relaxing and chilled they are brutally snobbish, and openly contemptuous, of their fellow Brits who voted Leave.
All this de haut en bas hatred for the proles would be cruelly exposed in a 2nd campaign. Because Remainers have no clue how they sound to ordinary people.
So yes, I think you're right: Remain might easily lose again, possibly by an even bigger margin.
For example a few of us were amused that one of Stronger In's focus was that Brexit means the return of mobile roaming charges.
That means bugger all to a Leaver who can't afford to go on an overseas holiday.
All four main companies have said they won't reintroduce roaming charges.
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/09/13/brexit_mobile_roaming/
Smaller companies like giffgaff might just do it, but there is no incentive for the larger companies, and a massive disincentive, in terms of scaring their customers to alternative providers that don't charge,
The whole thrust of the industry is towards lower and lower roaming charges. I was charged £6 a day by Vodafone to have my entire UK data and calling plan.... in Vietnam, last month.
Vietnam??? That's not in the EU. Just £6? And I was only charged that fee - less than the cost of a sandwich and coffee in Pret - on the days I used it.
Eventually all this stuff will be free everywhere (i.e. you'll pay a domestic bill wherever you go).0 -
I'm sure there are a number of governments absolutely itching to embark on this process.ydoethur said:
The absolute worst case scenario for the EU is we leave with No Deal, and it turns out to be not very serious. At that point they run the risk of several other dissatisfied countries following suit. That I think is why they should be afraid of it.SeanT said:
She needs a reason to extend. What will it be? That said, I accept the EU will be very accommodating in that respect, we now know they are as terrified of No Deal as us, if not more - for us No Deal at least honours the referendum (settling one issue), and clears the deck, and we become a truly independent country.HYUFD said:
Indefinite extension, including contesting the EU Parliament elections, May made clear to day she is prepared to extend forever until the Commons passes her DealSouthamObserver said:
I just don’t see how things are flowing their way. Letwin Cooper Boles will Gail by more votes than last time, May’s Deal will fail, which means that something else has to happen to prevent No Deal. What will that be when the ERG congenitally disloyal and the Soft Brexiteers are so supine?IanB2 said:
The best strategy for them is to save resignations for the moment, if it arrives, where a no deal decision is about to be made. They'll take a big chunk of their party with them, be able to bring down the government and opt for an alternative course, and have politics students writing essays about them in a hundred years time. Compared with that why walk out just now, when the tide appears to be flowing in their direction?SouthamObserver said:Does anyone have email addresses for those eight magnificently gullible Remain ministers? I have some magic beans going cheap I am sure they’ll be interested in buying.
For them No Deal is nothing but bad bad bad - Ireland in shock, several economies taking a hit (as they head into recession), and the EU permanently reduced and politically shrivelled, and lots of blame being handed around the Berlaymont,
I'm not saying a No Deal wouldn't be very serious for us BTW, just that if it isn't a demonstrable irrefutable disaster that would be more damaging to the EU than us leaving with a deal.0 -
It hasn't aged well.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Humbled by a small Balkan nation, which uses the Euro. Better get used to it.FrancisUrquhart said:Oh bugger.....
It hasn't aged well.
Araminta
It hasn't aged well.0 -
Ing-eerrr-lund0
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Sterling for the 5th. Quality stuff.0
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I went with a cheap gag far too soon. Apologies.Drutt said:
It hasn't aged well.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Humbled by a small Balkan nation, which uses the Euro. Better get used to it.FrancisUrquhart said:Oh bugger.....
It hasn't aged well.
Araminta
It hasn't aged well.0 -
Hmm, you have ice maiden tendencies I see.TheScreamingEagles said:
Diana for me.Theuniondivvie said:
Reactionary dilemma, who was hotter, Unity or Jessica Mitford?MaxPB said:
Right wing women are hotter than lefties. It's a universal truth.SeanT said:
I went on that march, just for the lolzAlastairMeeks said:The Countryside Alliance march? Was that the one when all the bumpkins came to London to thank them for subsidising their lifestyle so heavily?
What amazed me was the physical beauty of the girls (and boys, to be fair). Posh country English folk have very lovely daughters (with excellent teeth, and lovely honey blonde or russet red hair). It was like a parade of the best of Hitler Youth, only they were obsessed with killing foxes not Jews.
Nb neither all that, but at least JM was smart & funny.0 -
Pity that Brexit will bankrupt them...Richard_Tyndall said:
I think you will find it was the one where they asked very politicly for your thanks for keeping you fed and watered.AlastairMeeks said:The Countryside Alliance march? Was that the one when all the bumpkins came to London to thank them for subsidising their lifestyle so heavily?
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Be careful the Daily Mash don't simply cut and paste your latest post for tomorrow's lead article - it's certainly up there with the best.SeanT said:
It's also absolute bollocks, which doesn't really help.TheScreamingEagles said:
It isn't hatred just an inability to understand what makes a working class Northerner tick.SeanT said:
I completely agree. I have gone from thinking Remain would walk a 2nd vote to thinking: Jesus, they can't help themselves. Even when they are trying to "reach out" and understand the Leave vote they sound patronising, supercilious and impatient, when they are relaxing and chilled they are brutally snobbish, and openly contemptuous, of their fellow Brits who voted Leave.
All this de haut en bas hatred for the proles would be cruelly exposed in a 2nd campaign. Because Remainers have no clue how they sound to ordinary people.
So yes, I think you're right: Remain might easily lose again, possibly by an even bigger margin.
For example a few of us were amused that one of Stronger In's focus was that Brexit means the return of mobile roaming charges.
That means bugger all to a Leaver who can't afford to go on an overseas holiday.
All four main companies have said they won't reintroduce roaming charges.
https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/09/13/brexit_mobile_roaming/
Smaller companies like giffgaff might just do it, but there is no incentive for the larger companies, and a massive disincentive, in terms of scaring their customers to alternative providers that don't charge,
The whole thrust of the industry is towards lower and lower roaming charges. I was charged £6 a day by Vodafone to have my entire UK data and calling plan.... in Vietnam, last month.
Vietnam??? That's not in the EU. Just £6? And I was only charged that fee - less than the cost of a sandwich and coffee in Pret - on the days I used it.
Eventually all this stuff will be free everywhere (i.e. you'll pay a domestic bill wherever you go).
Still, if that's your general standard of irony I might be tempted to try one of your books.0
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