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I always feel a sense of ownership with the YouGov favourability ratings for shortly after the referendum, in 2016, I got into a discussion with the pollster about a line of questioning that I suggested that the firm should do. My desire was favourability ratings on key figures.
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First! Like another extension.0
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I didn't realise that the Absolute Boy's peak was zero. What an utter disaster he has been.0
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Amazing isn't it considering he won GE2017 according to his fan club.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:I didn't realise that the Absolute Boy's peak was zero. What an utter disaster he has been.
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Remain is better than a bad deal. Even strong Leavers may be coming round to that view.0
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This argument by second referendumers that another referendum on whatever the house decides is a process and not a substance issue is simply staggering.0
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It will still be in the top three biggest public attendance events ever in the UK, and probably the second after the Stop the Iraq War march of 2003.CarlottaVance said:
The point they are making in that article is that numbers are always overestimated.
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I've referenced the young middle class hobby socialist in our family before. Even when the numbers are held under his nose, he refuses to countenance that Corybz is anything other than wildly popular in the country at large.TheScreamingEagles said:
Amazing isn't it considering he won GE2017 according to his fan club.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:I didn't realise that the Absolute Boy's peak was zero. What an utter disaster he has been.
The cult remains strong, and I despair that he will not go even when they lose the next GE.0 -
On those numbers it would be third - the Countryside Alliance March of 2002 would be bigger.FF43 said:
It will still be in the top three biggest public attendance events ever in the UK, and probably the second after the Stop the Iraq War march of 2003.CarlottaVance said:
The point they are making in that article is that numbers are always overestimated.
Interesting list here, but it only goes up to 2011:
https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2011/mar/28/demonstrations-protests-uk-list0 -
In terms of political demonstrations certainly so, perhaps Royal and similar non political events should be classified differently.FF43 said:
It will still be in the top three biggest public attendance events ever in the UK, and probably the second after the Stop the Iraq War march of 2003.CarlottaVance said:
The point they are making in that article is that numbers are always overestimated.
Like the petition, the numbers are huge and becoming more insistent on their voices being heard.
82 on the #MarchToLeave from Leicester to Oakham today, so easier to count.0 -
Clarke arguing for STV on indicative options (he means AV, but never mind)
Both Starmer and Letwin are mired in the detail and aren't setting out the big picture for what is surely a much bigger audience than BBC Parliament usually gets.
Letwin arguing that the indicative vote process will need a second day of debate, and bemoaning that government hasn't a clue where to go next. Determined to push his proposal to a vote.0 -
Strong Leavers may be of the view that No Deal isn’t politically sustainable and leads to rejoin and full fat Remain whereas a status quo Remain keeps the opt outs.AndyJS said:Remain is better than a bad deal. Even strong Leavers may be coming round to that view.
May’s Deal effectively increases the opt outs via opt ins, from the outside, but it’s pretty clear that ship has sailed.0 -
There should be some kind of doubles match, Trump and Clinton vs May and Corbyn, to establish which is the more unpalatable pair of alternatives.0
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Letwin is right - if the House bottles this vote, May will run the process into the sand. Either through calculation, or stubborn indecision.0
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The presumption is that the Countryside Alliance march numbers were also exaggerated on the same basis.ydoethur said:
On those numbers it would be third - the Countryside Alliance March of 2002 would be bigger.FF43 said:
It will still be in the top three biggest public attendance events ever in the UK, and probably the second after the Stop the Iraq War march of 2003.CarlottaVance said:
The point they are making in that article is that numbers are always overestimated.
Interesting list here, but it only goes up to 2011:
https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2011/mar/28/demonstrations-protests-uk-list0 -
No other cause has been able to get so many people to march on multiple occasions.Foxy said:Like the petition, the numbers are huge and becoming more insistent on their voices being heard.
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TheScreamingEagles said:
Amazing isn't it considering he won GE2017 according to his fan club.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:I didn't realise that the Absolute Boy's peak was zero. What an utter disaster he has been.
https://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/876894066478329857-1 -
I was going by the police estimate, which was 400,000.FF43 said:
The presumption is that the Countryside Alliance march numbers were also exaggerated on the same basis.ydoethur said:
On those numbers it would be third - the Countryside Alliance March of 2002 would be bigger.FF43 said:
It will still be in the top three biggest public attendance events ever in the UK, and probably the second after the Stop the Iraq War march of 2003.CarlottaVance said:
The point they are making in that article is that numbers are always overestimated.
Interesting list here, but it only goes up to 2011:
https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2011/mar/28/demonstrations-protests-uk-list0 -
So MPs are going to avoid No Deal by voting yet again against the EU's Deal?0
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As he should, though the idea that lot need any more debate is laughable. One thing they have managed is to talk every option to death.IanB2 said:Clarke arguing for STV on indicative options (he means AV, but never mind)
Both Starmer and Letwin are mired in the detail and aren't setting out the big picture for what is surely a much bigger audience than BBC Parliament usually gets.
Letwin arguing that the indicative vote process will need a second day of debate, and bemoaning that government hasn't a clue where to go next. Determined to push his proposal to a vote.
I'm not convinced she wanted to win last time, and was just as surprised she did. It's all been downhill for her since then, she she had no numbers to execute any plan and perhaps needed it taken off her hands.Nigelb said:Letwin is right - if the House bottles this vote, May will run the process into the sand. Either through calculation, or stubborn indecision.
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I couldn't possibly comment!AndyJS said:Remain is better than a bad deal. Even strong Leavers may be coming round to that view.
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I reckon most Leave voters would have voted Remain if Cameron's deal had included an end to FOM. I would have anywayCasino_Royale said:
Strong Leavers may be of the view that No Deal isn’t politically sustainable and leads to rejoin and full fat Remain whereas a status quo Remain keeps the opt outs.AndyJS said:Remain is better than a bad deal. Even strong Leavers may be coming round to that view.
May’s Deal effectively increases the opt outs via opt ins, from the outside, but it’s pretty clear that ship has sailed.0 -
No, CA marchers were counted individually through a gate.FF43 said:
The presumption is that the Countryside Alliance march numbers were also exaggerated on the same basis.ydoethur said:
On those numbers it would be third - the Countryside Alliance March of 2002 would be bigger.FF43 said:
It will still be in the top three biggest public attendance events ever in the UK, and probably the second after the Stop the Iraq War march of 2003.CarlottaVance said:
The point they are making in that article is that numbers are always overestimated.
Interesting list here, but it only goes up to 2011:
https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2011/mar/28/demonstrations-protests-uk-list0 -
Brexit is falling like a House of Cards?Sunil_Prasannan said:
I couldn't possibly comment!AndyJS said:Remain is better than a bad deal. Even strong Leavers may be coming round to that view.
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I like this approach from the landlord.
These kids and their parents should stop stop complaining and start working harder.
Too poor to play: children in social housing blocked from communal playground.
In a move reminiscent of the poor doors scandal, a London developer has segregated play areas for richer and poorer residents
https://www.theguardian.com/cities/2019/mar/25/too-poor-to-play-children-in-social-housing-blocked-from-communal-playground?CMP=share_btn_tw0 -
Apols to interrupt a busy evening but can anyone on the PB brainstrust recommend a good flight tracker?
Trying to find out the latest on Easyjet U28895 Gatwick to Marrakech which as apparently taken off, returned with a fault, landed, new plane, had four men taken off(?!), not sure if has departed again.
Thanks!0 -
CND managed repeated giant marches in the Sixties and Early Eighties, but even those were on a smaller scale.williamglenn said:
No other cause has been able to get so many people to march on multiple occasions.Foxy said:Like the petition, the numbers are huge and becoming more insistent on their voices being heard.
People who claimed that we were becoming politically apathetic should be hearted by Jezzas mass rallies of 2017 and the #PeoplesVote marches.0 -
If he’d got a draft treaty with legal force, rather than an MoU, according to his Bloomberg speech, I’d even have campaigned for it.isam said:
I reckon most Leave voters would have voted Remain if Cameron's deal had included an end to FOM. I would have anywayCasino_Royale said:
Strong Leavers may be of the view that No Deal isn’t politically sustainable and leads to rejoin and full fat Remain whereas a status quo Remain keeps the opt outs.AndyJS said:Remain is better than a bad deal. Even strong Leavers may be coming round to that view.
May’s Deal effectively increases the opt outs via opt ins, from the outside, but it’s pretty clear that ship has sailed.0 -
https://www.flightradar24.com/Benpointer said:Apols to interrupt a busy evening but can anyone on the PB brainstrust recommend a good flight tracker?
Trying to find out the latest on Easyjet U28895 Gatwick to Marrakech which as apparently taken off, returned with a fault, landed, new plane, had four men taken off(?!), not sure if has departed again.
Thanks!0 -
The Tory benches are deserted (just a few strong remainers), suggesting they know the intiative is slipping away from them.0
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Just like the Scottish Tories claiming they won in 2017?Sunil_Prasannan said:TheScreamingEagles said:
Amazing isn't it considering he won GE2017 according to his fan club.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:I didn't realise that the Absolute Boy's peak was zero. What an utter disaster he has been.
https://twitter.com/Sunil_P2/status/8768940664783298570 -
Only a small mass debate? Is this a reference to Tom Watson's male appendage?Nigelb said:0 -
Nothing for TIG?HYUFD said:0 -
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A farm gate?Ishmael_Z said:
No, CA marchers were counted individually through a gate.FF43 said:
The presumption is that the Countryside Alliance march numbers were also exaggerated on the same basis.ydoethur said:
On those numbers it would be third - the Countryside Alliance March of 2002 would be bigger.FF43 said:
It will still be in the top three biggest public attendance events ever in the UK, and probably the second after the Stop the Iraq War march of 2003.CarlottaVance said:
The point they are making in that article is that numbers are always overestimated.
Interesting list here, but it only goes up to 2011:
https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2011/mar/28/demonstrations-protests-uk-list0 -
How? The EU have said they are going to get medieval on our asses on April 12 if she is dithering, and I think it should have sunk in by now that they mean what they say.Nigelb said:Letwin is right - if the House bottles this vote, May will run the process into the sand. Either through calculation, or stubborn indecision.
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Letwin's speech was a triumph of moderation and reasonableness. The only problem is that many of his colleagues are neither of these. Laudable though his approach is he seems to have forgotten that ultimately there are only two voting lobbies in the House; Aye and No. Are MPs who have used their STV (or equivalent) to vote for their sixth least worst option actually going to go into the Aye lobby to bring it into law? I suspect (based on precedent) that they will not.Nigelb said:Letwin is right - if the House bottles this vote, May will run the process into the sand. Either through calculation, or stubborn indecision.
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Eclipsed by the UKIP surge, with Brexit postponed it is now Leavers getting annoyed it seems beyond central LondonOldKingCole said:
Nothing for TIG?HYUFD said:0 -
Only an extract of malt sandwich.OldKingCole said:
Nothing for TIG?HYUFD said:0 -
There were six gates, five barred.OldKingCole said:
A farm gate?Ishmael_Z said:
No, CA marchers were counted individually through a gate.FF43 said:
The presumption is that the Countryside Alliance march numbers were also exaggerated on the same basis.ydoethur said:
On those numbers it would be third - the Countryside Alliance March of 2002 would be bigger.FF43 said:
It will still be in the top three biggest public attendance events ever in the UK, and probably the second after the Stop the Iraq War march of 2003.CarlottaVance said:
The point they are making in that article is that numbers are always overestimated.
Interesting list here, but it only goes up to 2011:
https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2011/mar/28/demonstrations-protests-uk-list0 -
He's been on one heck of a journey in the last fortnight from collaborating with a foreign power to interfere in the UK to facilitate No Deal to approving the Deal.Pulpstar said:0 -
But it's true.Pulpstar said:This argument by second referendumers that another referendum on whatever the house decides is a process and not a substance issue is simply staggering.
The substance is CU or EFTA or May's Deal or Canada etc. It is the destination.
Each of them have two flavours - with or without a confirmatory vote.
e.g. Mrs May's deal or Mrs May's deal plus a confirmatory vote.
Substance versus process is a useful distinction.
In this debate I think Starmer and Letwin have agreed that the focus first should be on substance rather than on whether there should be a confirmatory vote. That decision can come late when the substance has been agreed.0 -
There has to be something seriously wrong with a pollsters methodology if they come up with a UKIP score of 9%. I guess it can be used as a measure of how many people would vote for an exclusively pro Brexit partyHYUFD said:0 -
Noticeable that the UKIP vote has been inching up again these last few weeks.OldKingCole said:
Nothing for TIG?HYUFD said:0 -
Cod Liver Oil and Malt. Always had a jaundiced eye for those who came in to buy that.ydoethur said:
Only an extract of malt sandwich.OldKingCole said:
Nothing for TIG?HYUFD said:0 -
Which foreign power? Or are you just referring to his penchant for voting with Corbyn?TheScreamingEagles said:
He's been on one heck of a journey in the last fortnight from collaborating with a foreign power to interfere in the UK to facilitate No Deal to approving the Deal.Pulpstar said:0 -
Why isn't Letwin PM - too damn reasonable?0
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isam said:
There has to be something seriously wrong with a pollsters methodology if they come up with a UKIP score of 9%. I guess it can be used as a measure of how many people would vote for an exclusively pro Brexit partyHYUFD said:
It seems diehard Leavers are back to a UKIP protest vote and a plague on all their houses.
UKIP now polling closer to 2015 than 2017 levels0 -
Such a combination would rapidly pill on me...OldKingCole said:
Cod Liver Oil and Malt. Always had a jaundiced eye for those who came in to buy that.ydoethur said:
Only an extract of malt sandwich.OldKingCole said:
Nothing for TIG?HYUFD said:0 -
Cheers Sunil - I'll let you off giving that oh-so-hilarious graph yet another outing!Sunil_Prasannan said:
https://www.flightradar24.com/Benpointer said:Apols to interrupt a busy evening but can anyone on the PB brainstrust recommend a good flight tracker?
Trying to find out the latest on Easyjet U28895 Gatwick to Marrakech which as apparently taken off, returned with a fault, landed, new plane, had four men taken off(?!), not sure if has departed again.
Thanks!
I presume the same flight code will be used when (if) it takes off again?0 -
No, too gaffe prone. Poll taxes and tax cuts both spring to mind.Peter_the_Punter said:Why isn't Letwin PM - too damn reasonable?
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The NFU have been on his case. Farmers in Shropshire are not keen on a no deal BrexitTheScreamingEagles said:
He's been on one heck of a journey in the last fortnight from collaborating with a foreign power to interfere in the UK to facilitate No Deal to approving the Deal.Pulpstar said:0 -
https://inews.co.uk/news/brexit/daniel-kawczynski-poland-no-deal-brexit-article-50-block-extension/ydoethur said:
Which foreign power? Or are you just referring to his penchant for voting with Corbyn?TheScreamingEagles said:
He's been on one heck of a journey in the last fortnight from collaborating with a foreign power to interfere in the UK to facilitate No Deal to approving the Deal.Pulpstar said:
https://www.shropshirestar.com/news/politics/2019/01/24/calls-for-shrewsbury-mp-to-publish-brexit-letter-to-polish-government/0 -
The Easyjet app shows it as a late departure leaving 2045 estimated to arrive 0125 in Marrakesh. So presumably loading the new plane.Benpointer said:Apols to interrupt a busy evening but can anyone on the PB brainstrust recommend a good flight tracker?
Trying to find out the latest on Easyjet U28895 Gatwick to Marrakech which as apparently taken off, returned with a fault, landed, new plane, had four men taken off(?!), not sure if has departed again.
Thanks!0 -
Ah ok thanksFoxy said:
The Easyjet app shows it as a late departure leaving 2045 estimated to arrive 0125 in Marrakesh. So presumably loading the new plane.Benpointer said:Apols to interrupt a busy evening but can anyone on the PB brainstrust recommend a good flight tracker?
Trying to find out the latest on Easyjet U28895 Gatwick to Marrakech which as apparently taken off, returned with a fault, landed, new plane, had four men taken off(?!), not sure if has departed again.
Thanks!0 -
Evening all
Get back home from a busy day at work to find she's still there !! What happened to the great Cabinet coup - oh yes, that arch-May loyalist, Tim Shipman, let the cat out of the bag and the "plotters" folded faster than an Origami champion on steroids.
So to another evening of Parliamentary pointlessness - if no MV3 is forthcoming, then we leave without a WA on 12/4. What else is there?
George Osborne tore the whole house of arguments into shreds in the Standard's editorial this evening:
https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/evening-standard-comment-it-isn-t-brexit-week-but-it-s-still-chaotic-a4100011.html
There is a significant minority of Conservatives still wanting the UK to leave without a Deal on 29/3 - will they cause problems over extending the deadline? What of revocation - what is the political price for both Conservatives AND Labour if A50 is stopped?
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@Benpointer
Took of from LGW, went as far as Southampton, circled and landed back at LGW
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/u28895#1fed2a4f0 -
Good God, Gethins is tedious.0
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Yes but they have no hope of fielding enough candididates to get 3% if there were a GE this yearHYUFD said:
Opinium were one of the more accurate pollsters in the last 2 general elections.isam said:
There has to be something seriously wrong with a pollsters methodology if they come up with a UKIP score of 9%. I guess it can be used as a measure of how many people would vote for an exclusively pro Brexit partyHYUFD said:
It seems diehard Leavers are back to a UKIP protest vote and a plague on all their houses.
UKIP now polling closer to 2015 than 2017 levels0 -
Um, I was "triggered" by TSE's commentBenpointer said:
Cheers Sunil - I'll let you off giving that oh-so-hilarious graph yet another outing!Sunil_Prasannan said:
https://www.flightradar24.com/Benpointer said:Apols to interrupt a busy evening but can anyone on the PB brainstrust recommend a good flight tracker?
Trying to find out the latest on Easyjet U28895 Gatwick to Marrakech which as apparently taken off, returned with a fault, landed, new plane, had four men taken off(?!), not sure if has departed again.
Thanks!
I presume the same flight code will be used when (if) it takes off again? 0 -
Are you actually trying to make me cry?Peter_the_Punter said:Why isn't Letwin PM - too damn reasonable?
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If the Gov't was actually in thrall to the hardliners, surely it would have not sought an extension ?0
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The Countryside Alliance got some pretty big crowds at their various demonstrations during the Blair premiership.FF43 said:
It will still be in the top three biggest public attendance events ever in the UK, and probably the second after the Stop the Iraq War march of 2003.CarlottaVance said:
The point they are making in that article is that numbers are always overestimated.0 -
Ah, the ERG. Holding out for nuclear Brexit wasn't quite the winning strategy they thought. The ideological purists on the far left of Lab, and this lot, are two cheeks of the same arse.Pulpstar said:0 -
Ok but only you can say no to the temptation.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Um, I was "triggered" by TSE's commentBenpointer said:
Cheers Sunil - I'll let you off giving that oh-so-hilarious graph yet another outing!Sunil_Prasannan said:
https://www.flightradar24.com/Benpointer said:Apols to interrupt a busy evening but can anyone on the PB brainstrust recommend a good flight tracker?
Trying to find out the latest on Easyjet U28895 Gatwick to Marrakech which as apparently taken off, returned with a fault, landed, new plane, had four men taken off(?!), not sure if has departed again.
Thanks!
I presume the same flight code will be used when (if) it takes off again? 0 -
And Farage's lot could steal a fair few votes from them as well.isam said:
Yes but they have no hope of fielding enough candididates to get 3% if there were a GE this yearHYUFD said:
Opinium were one of the more accurate pollsters in the last 2 general elections.isam said:
There has to be something seriously wrong with a pollsters methodology if they come up with a UKIP score of 9%. I guess it can be used as a measure of how many people would vote for an exclusively pro Brexit partyHYUFD said:
It seems diehard Leavers are back to a UKIP protest vote and a plague on all their houses.
UKIP now polling closer to 2015 than 2017 levels0 -
More like arses with too much cheek.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Ah, the ERG. Holding out for nuclear Brexit wasn't quite the winning strategy they thought. The ideological purists on the far left of Lab, and this lot, are two cheeks of the same arse.Pulpstar said:0 -
I wasn't speaking for myself, I was putting myself in the position of No Deal supporters.Sunil_Prasannan said:
I couldn't possibly comment!AndyJS said:Remain is better than a bad deal. Even strong Leavers may be coming round to that view.
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People were pointing out this blinding obvious point weeks ago. Too damn late now.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Ah, the ERG. Holding out for nuclear Brexit wasn't quite the winning strategy they thought. The ideological purists on the far left of Lab, and this lot, are two cheeks of the same arse.Pulpstar said:0 -
They weren't included in this poll.OldKingCole said:
Nothing for TIG?HYUFD said:
Last week, they produced a second poll including TIG, which showed them at 4%, tied with the Greens.0 -
We needed an extension whatever. May was going to ask for a long one, the short one having been condemned as futile in no uncertain terms by her minister just days before. So we will be back at the longer extension before too long.Pulpstar said:If the Gov't was actually in thrall to the hardliners, surely it would have not sought an extension ?
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Tory Soames will vote for Letwin.0
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Presumably like those at a mass start in a marathon.OldKingCole said:
A farm gate?Ishmael_Z said:
No, CA marchers were counted individually through a gate.FF43 said:
The presumption is that the Countryside Alliance march numbers were also exaggerated on the same basis.ydoethur said:
On those numbers it would be third - the Countryside Alliance March of 2002 would be bigger.FF43 said:
It will still be in the top three biggest public attendance events ever in the UK, and probably the second after the Stop the Iraq War march of 2003.CarlottaVance said:
The point they are making in that article is that numbers are always overestimated.
Interesting list here, but it only goes up to 2011:
https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2011/mar/28/demonstrations-protests-uk-list0 -
The thing is, I don't think the hard core of the ERG necessarily thought they were on to a winning strategy. That's why they are unpersuadable, because they aren't getting worried or upset about not winning, they are just getting angry. Perhaps the larger grouping of them are the sort to get worried, but the first group, and the completely unprincipled like Boris, are more than enough to cause immense difficulty still.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Ah, the ERG. Holding out for nuclear Brexit wasn't quite the winning strategy they thought. The ideological purists on the far left of Lab, and this lot, are two cheeks of the same arse.Pulpstar said:0 -
Soames is practically channelling Billy Bragg here...
'Sweet moderation, the heart of this nation, desert us not...'0 -
Are you still a UKIP member/supporter?isam said:
Yes but they have no hope of fielding enough candididates to get 3% if there were a GE this yearHYUFD said:
Opinium were one of the more accurate pollsters in the last 2 general elections.isam said:
There has to be something seriously wrong with a pollsters methodology if they come up with a UKIP score of 9%. I guess it can be used as a measure of how many people would vote for an exclusively pro Brexit partyHYUFD said:
It seems diehard Leavers are back to a UKIP protest vote and a plague on all their houses.
UKIP now polling closer to 2015 than 2017 levels0 -
Nicholas Soames now taking a swipe at the ERG .
Says he will never vote for no deal and neither for a second EU referendum .0 -
So uncertainty will continue and business investment and FDI will continue to be subdued. Yet I listen to all these MP's that are so concerned about the economy and jobs.IanB2 said:
We needed an extension whatever. May was going to ask for a long one, the short one having been condemned as futile in no uncertain terms by her minister just days before. So we will be back at the longer extension before too long.Pulpstar said:If the Gov't was actually in thrall to the hardliners, surely it would have not sought an extension ?
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Mr Farage's new Brexit Party could though and will also likely have lots of dosh from Banks and his wealthy contactsisam said:
Yes but they have no hope of fielding enough candididates to get 3% if there were a GE this yearHYUFD said:
Opinium were one of the more accurate pollsters in the last 2 general elections.isam said:
There has to be something seriously wrong with a pollsters methodology if they come up with a UKIP score of 9%. I guess it can be used as a measure of how many people would vote for an exclusively pro Brexit partyHYUFD said:
It seems diehard Leavers are back to a UKIP protest vote and a plague on all their houses.
UKIP now polling closer to 2015 than 2017 levels0 -
Telegraph reporting Letwin on 310 votes at the moment. Time for Rudd, Guake and Clark to resign to get it over the line.0
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Both voted for the deal compared to the ERG nutjobs who voted against . Stop trashing anyone who just wants to leave with a deal . Blame the so called Brexiters for destroying their own project .GIN1138 said:
They are both passionate Remainers. Are we supposed to be surprised?IanB2 said:Tory Soames will vote for Letwin.
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Soames excellent.
Never expected to write that.0 -
LMAO - they will still be sitting in the Cabinet, the day after we leave with No Deal, briefing the papers about how jolly cross they are with the policy that they're enabling.ralphmalph said:Telegraph reporting Letwin on 310 votes at the moment. Time for Rudd, Guake and Clark to resign to get it over the line.
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He has said he is very well funded. There are more Brexit donors than Banks, the official vote leave campaign was well funded.HYUFD said:
Mr Farage's new Brexit Party could though and will also likely have lots of dosh from Banks and his wealthy contactsisam said:
Yes but they have no hope of fielding enough candididates to get 3% if there were a GE this yearHYUFD said:
Opinium were one of the more accurate pollsters in the last 2 general elections.isam said:
There has to be something seriously wrong with a pollsters methodology if they come up with a UKIP score of 9%. I guess it can be used as a measure of how many people would vote for an exclusively pro Brexit partyHYUFD said:
It seems diehard Leavers are back to a UKIP protest vote and a plague on all their houses.
UKIP now polling closer to 2015 than 2017 levels0 -
Sorry, but I was actually speaking for myself.AndyJS said:
I wasn't speaking for myself, I was putting myself in the position of No Deal supporters.Sunil_Prasannan said:
I couldn't possibly comment!AndyJS said:Remain is better than a bad deal. Even strong Leavers may be coming round to that view.
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This whole dismal process has shifted my view on some parliamentarians, past and present, in surprising directions.Peter_the_Punter said:Soames excellent.
Never expected to write that.0 -
So many meetings, so little concluded after them. What do they spend their time doing at all these meetings? Same goes with the DUP and the endless 'constructive' talks they have on things.williamglenn said:Do they have a special costume?
https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/11102625574855270430 -
I love the way 2nd referendumers have switched to this "confirmation" of whatever the house decides. The house needs to decide to allow the public another referendum, it isn't simply some process matter that can be tacked onto Corbyn's Customs Unicorn or whatever is agreed.0
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Do they go around in white robes?williamglenn said:Do they have a special costume?
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Farage is all piss and wind. Very successful piss and wind at times, but these successes have come when he has a party behind him. The "Brexit Party" currently doesn't show any more sign of having national organisation than TIG does.HYUFD said:
Mr Farage's new Brexit Party could though and will also likely have lots of dosh from Banks and his wealthy contactsisam said:
Yes but they have no hope of fielding enough candididates to get 3% if there were a GE this yearHYUFD said:
Opinium were one of the more accurate pollsters in the last 2 general elections.isam said:
There has to be something seriously wrong with a pollsters methodology if they come up with a UKIP score of 9%. I guess it can be used as a measure of how many people would vote for an exclusively pro Brexit partyHYUFD said:
It seems diehard Leavers are back to a UKIP protest vote and a plague on all their houses.
UKIP now polling closer to 2015 than 2017 levels0
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