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Just out today is the latest Ipsos-MORI political monitor whicht has the Tories taking a lead of 4% over labour. Last time the two main parties were level pegging.
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I have zero trust in polticians abilities.SouthamObserver said:
Your trust in politicians’ ability to shield the British public from a disastrous No Deal is quite something.Philip_Thompson said:You'd have thought people would have learnt by now the British public don't react well to Project Fear scaremongering.
People aren't thick. The more bullshit gets spread, the more unbelievable it becomes, undermining the true worries.
The scare stories have gotten so stupid now. We won't have fresh food, medicine, planes won't fly. The car industry will be wiped out. Not one of those will happen. The more that gets spread, the more it gets sensible people's backs ups and we think "why are you lying to me".
The truth is mundane, no deal will be an inconvenience. There may be problems we haven't foreseen. It could cost some business.
I think No Deal won't be disastrous because I have trust in business and individuals abilities to shield themselves.
Consider it a laissez-faire Brexit.0 -
And yet Vince Cable is the one stepping down. Where's the Justice, eh?0
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Vince who?rcs1000 said:And yet Vince Cable is the one stepping down. Where's the Justice, eh?
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Still no sign of communique as leaders are now going backwards and forwards discussing ideas with TM and it may be hours yet
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Good - maybe the new Lib Dem leader will finally be able to capitalise on the current fustercluck. (Though in reality I only give one of the rumoured candidates a chance of doing so.)rcs1000 said:And yet Vince Cable is the one stepping down. Where's the Justice, eh?
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That will be what his 34% "don't know" voters asked.FrancisUrquhart said:
Vince who?rcs1000 said:And yet Vince Cable is the one stepping down. Where's the Justice, eh?
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I thought it sounded like the leader of the Labour party ....Scott_P said:0 -
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Corbyn's problem is not alleged antisemitism. That's a red herring. It is his attitude to Brexit that turns people off.
There were reports a couple of days ago that he is tired and fed up. Perhaps McDonnell can persuade him to go for the good of the party and the project.0 -
Well, my employer will be shielding itself you're correct. Unfortunately that will entail moving their entire logistics operations from Britain to the Netherlands.Philip_Thompson said:FPT
I have zero trust in polticians abilities.SouthamObserver said:
Your trust in politicians’ ability to shield the British public from a disastrous No Deal is quite something.Philip_Thompson said:You'd have thought people would have learnt by now the British public don't react well to Project Fear scaremongering.
People aren't thick. The more bullshit gets spread, the more unbelievable it becomes, undermining the true worries.
The scare stories have gotten so stupid now. We won't have fresh food, medicine, planes won't fly. The car industry will be wiped out. Not one of those will happen. The more that gets spread, the more it gets sensible people's backs ups and we think "why are you lying to me".
The truth is mundane, no deal will be an inconvenience. There may be problems we haven't foreseen. It could cost some business.
I think No Deal won't be disastrous because I have trust in business and individuals abilities to shield themselves.
Consider it a laissez-faire Brexit.0 -
EU deals always go down to the wire, it's the way things are done. I'd be more worried if it was tied up quickly, I'd wonder what's different this time?Big_G_NorthWales said:Sky -
Still no sign of communique as leaders are now going backwards and forwards discussing ideas with TM and it may be hours yet
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Robert, did you not once say that if the UK left the EU, the immediate economic effect would make us 'like Singapore on speed'? After that you thought there might be problems, but in the short term there would be a fast and dramatic improvement.rcs1000 said:And yet Vince Cable is the one stepping down. Where's the Justice, eh?
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Unfortunately May remains the most popular Tory. No, me neither.
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And if she doesnt....Scott_P said:0 -
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I hoped the EU would help bring things to an end, but sadly they want parliament to have a few more weeks to talk over each other incessantly about nothing too. Go figure.
Would it not be more in their interests to just say an extension to 11 April to decide what we want? It's not like it is being kind to May to pretend the deal might get approved before then.
On the other matter I simply don't believe polls showing Tory leads. If there's a GE that proves me wrong, fine, but this is not a matter of really wanting them to suffer, it's not like I care at all for Corbyn's Labour, but I simply cannot believe a government like this could lead in the polls.0 -
You get the impression they might have to prise her out of Downing Street...Scott_P said:0 -
VONCFrancisUrquhart said:And if she doesnt....
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I detect Selmayr's scheming mind behind this.Scott_P said:
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He will want May to go first so he can enjoy her downfallBarnesian said:Corbyn's problem is not alleged antisemitism. That's a red herring. It is his attitude to Brexit that turns people off.
There were reports a couple of days ago that he is tired and fed up. Perhaps McDonnell can persuade him to go for the good of the party and the project.0 -
One word - Corbynkle4 said:I hoped the EU would help bring things to an end, but sadly they want parliament to have a few more weeks to talk over each other incessantly about nothing too. Go figure.
Would it not be more in their interests to just say an extension to 11 April to decide what we want? It's not like it is being kind to May to pretend the deal might get approved before then.
On the other matter I simply don't believe polls showing Tory leads. If there's a GE that proves me wrong, fine, but this is not a matter of really wanting them to suffer, it's not like I care at all for Corbyn's Labour, but I simply cannot believe a government like this could lead in the polls.0 -
May missed a trick not saying "if you want the deal to be passed so much, change the backstop".glw said:
EU deals always go down to the wire, it's the way things are done. I'd be more worried if it was tied up quickly, I'd wonder what's different this time?Big_G_NorthWales said:Sky -
Still no sign of communique as leaders are now going backwards and forwards discussing ideas with TM and it may be hours yet
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I think that's right. Labour's problem is pretty much Corbyn. Remove him and by and large you have sorted the problem out. Remove May from the Conservative Party and the problems are still there.dixiedean said:Unfortunately May remains the most popular Tory. No, me neither.
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The Eu hold the power over Brexit now, not powerless talking shop that is the British parliament. And the EU backs May. Because EU own the WA and prefer their solid orderly WA document happening now or manage the no deal, they don’t like it dragging on and very real impact dragging on will now have on EU financially and reputationally.
They have made their choice and Dublin seems to be on side with it. In fact when UK crash out without a deal the pubs in Dublin will be bouncing. Maybe economically they don’t have much to celebrate, though anticipate their powerful EU friend bending backwards to help them, but Dublin pubs celebrating is key actually. the delight not just in Dublin but around the world as Britain burns hundreds of years of being strong and stable and having the upper hand. it doesn’t matter if you don’t see it that way, only that they do.
This crisis in Britain now has been a growing shadow across these lands for the last 25 years at least. Preferring Blair as PM over Hague and Howard masked what was really happening, masked that Labour had no answer to the negative impacts of globalisation, de industrialisation, no government then or since will tackle looming social care and NHS time bombs, and the only answer to British unease over immigration to UK in EU single market has been brexit.
So lets be honest and see the role nationalism and identity has played in this brexit outcome, right from the start in the 97 GE as Maastricht sank into the English mindfulness. there were two union jacks behind Theresa May as she addressed the nation this week, yet she is oblivious to how this crisis challenges them, threatening to make them relics from a bygone age, if those union jacks are weaker today than ever it proves what this whole process has underlined, its not the British parliament anymore is it? Its not a British Brexit, it’s the English who have done this.
It’s the ego of a Captain of this world that wore the pips for hundreds of years, and couldn’t face going back into the ranks when the inevitable time came.
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Then we crash out on the 12th but it won’t be the EUs fault.FrancisUrquhart said:
And if she doesnt....Scott_P said:
And remember as I continually repeat the only game in town here, is who else can I blame and here the EU is passing the buck back to someone else.0 -
As it's a working dinner and they are Eurocrats surely they are just working their way through the courses and will come out after their now infamous cheese and biscuits?glw said:
EU deals always go down to the wire, it's the way things are done. I'd be more worried if it was tied up quickly, I'd wonder what's different this time?Big_G_NorthWales said:Sky -
Still no sign of communique as leaders are now going backwards and forwards discussing ideas with TM and it may be hours yet
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How does that work? How does a Tory leadership contest be held and a new PM make decisions by 12 April?Scott_P said:
One thing is certain, leadership election rules are not fit for purpose for electing a PM during a crisis.0 -
The Cable GuyFrancisUrquhart said:
Vince who?rcs1000 said:And yet Vince Cable is the one stepping down. Where's the Justice, eh?
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I believe she may have mentioned that before.Philip_Thompson said:
May missed a trick not saying "if you want the deal to be passed so much, change the backstop".glw said:
EU deals always go down to the wire, it's the way things are done. I'd be more worried if it was tied up quickly, I'd wonder what's different this time?Big_G_NorthWales said:Sky -
Still no sign of communique as leaders are now going backwards and forwards discussing ideas with TM and it may be hours yet
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I thought he was called Larry?Sunil_Prasannan said:
The Cable GuyFrancisUrquhart said:
Vince who?rcs1000 said:And yet Vince Cable is the one stepping down. Where's the Justice, eh?
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To protect her deal, and moreover herself, she'd have to say "I'll take the 22 May part but not the 12 April part", and ideally do it about five minutes before Tusk comes out to make the announcement.FrancisUrquhart said:
And if she doesnt....Scott_P said:
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Considering we haven't left yet but already have employment at highest levels not seen since before we joined the EU - looks like yes we're already having it/its coming.Peter_the_Punter said:
Robert, did you not once say that if the UK left the EU, the immediate economic effect would make us 'like Singapore on speed'? After that you thought there might be problems, but in the short term there would be a fast and dramatic improvement.rcs1000 said:And yet Vince Cable is the one stepping down. Where's the Justice, eh?
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Yes but the EU haven't actually panicked about no deal before tonight.dixiedean said:
I believe she may have mentioned that before.Philip_Thompson said:
May missed a trick not saying "if you want the deal to be passed so much, change the backstop".glw said:
EU deals always go down to the wire, it's the way things are done. I'd be more worried if it was tied up quickly, I'd wonder what's different this time?Big_G_NorthWales said:Sky -
Still no sign of communique as leaders are now going backwards and forwards discussing ideas with TM and it may be hours yet
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We may be about to find outPhilip_Thompson said:How does that work?
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Theresa could announce tomorrow that she's standing down as Con leader and triggering a Con leadership contest.
But she'd still have to stay on as acting PM and if she refuses to delay A50 we still leave a week tomorrow...0 -
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Actually, judging by that poll I just put up, I really doubt that Remain would win a 2nd vote "easily". I was beginning to think it myself, but hmm.
If we had a revote there would be a very strong possibility the Brits would say Fuck You all over again, and with added vehemence, because they weren't heard the first time.
Also, what would the Remainer campaign say? What would be their slogan?
The Leave campaign would be simple and brutally effective. TELL THEM AGAIN.0 -
I'd think it would go down by more. There were some people prior to Bercow's ruling that were saying it was time to vote for it, albeit not enough (and the DUP seem to have gone silent, but then they don't give a damn what happens either way), but particularly now the EU offer is quite clear about receiving other options in mid April, well, why should anyone not already on board back it now? Why should people who reluctantly backed it before back it now?IanB2 said:
The best outcome is that MV3 goes down by more than MV2. Even May won't go for MV4 then.solarflare said:
Except May's idea of working out what to do next will probably be to try MV4 and then insult everyone in Parliament. Possibly simultaneously.Scott_P said:
I guess the only reason the EU included the wording about the deal is so that May has to bring it to the vote really - she has to at least try to get it passed, not just sit on her heels for 2 and a half weeks.
Nope, still do not get it. This is a government in, for once, genuine actual crisis. It's paralysed, its incompetent, there's no unanimity of purpose, no authority. Corbyn's bad, but 4 pts behind the Tories bad? No way.Big_G_NorthWales said:
One word - Corbynkle4 said:I hoped the EU would help bring things to an end, but sadly they want parliament to have a few more weeks to talk over each other incessantly about nothing too. Go figure.
Would it not be more in their interests to just say an extension to 11 April to decide what we want? It's not like it is being kind to May to pretend the deal might get approved before then.
On the other matter I simply don't believe polls showing Tory leads. If there's a GE that proves me wrong, fine, but this is not a matter of really wanting them to suffer, it's not like I care at all for Corbyn's Labour, but I simply cannot believe a government like this could lead in the polls.
Good night all. Another 3 weeks of this crap, my gods. 1 day, that's all it should take, 1 day! Vote after vote after vote.0 -
Remain is the only way to MAKE IT STOPSeanT said:fpt for Recidivist
Actually, judging by that poll I just put up, I really doubt that Remain would win a 2nd vote "easily". I was beginning to think it myself, but hmm.
If we had a revote there would be a very strong possibility the Brits would say Fuck You all over again, and with added vehemence, because they weren't heard the first time.
Also, what would the Remainer campaign say? What would be their slogan?
The Leave campaign would be simple and brutally effective. TELL THEM AGAIN.0 -
It allows time for the Commons to vote for Common Market 2.0 SM and CU BINOScott_P said:0 -
If there were to be another vote then I would expect Leave to exceed 52%. People don't like to be told to vote again.SeanT said:fpt for Recidivist
Actually, judging by that poll I just put up, I really doubt that Remain would win a 2nd vote "easily". I was beginning to think it myself, but hmm.
If we had a revote there would be a very strong possibility the Brits would say Fuck You all over again, and with added vehemence, because they weren't heard the first time.
Also, what would the Remainer campaign say? What would be their slogan?
The Leave campaign would be simple and brutally effective. TELL THEM AGAIN.
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"I forgive you. I only hope my neurologist will feel the same."FrancisUrquhart said:
I thought he was called Larry?Sunil_Prasannan said:
The Cable GuyFrancisUrquhart said:
Vince who?rcs1000 said:And yet Vince Cable is the one stepping down. Where's the Justice, eh?
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There's no easy way to get her out - bunker mentality now.FrancisUrquhart said:
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Too little, too late. They should have sacked her in December.Scott_P said:
I seem to recall you being pleased she won in December. How does that feel now?0 -
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That's not bad, to be fair. If there is a 2nd vote you should be the campaign manager, because they will need a good one. They will also have to lock up all the people like Blair and Campbell and Adonis and the sneerers. One hint of sneering at the proles and Remain will lose.IanB2 said:
Remain is the only way to MAKE IT STOPSeanT said:fpt for Recidivist
Actually, judging by that poll I just put up, I really doubt that Remain would win a 2nd vote "easily". I was beginning to think it myself, but hmm.
If we had a revote there would be a very strong possibility the Brits would say Fuck You all over again, and with added vehemence, because they weren't heard the first time.
Also, what would the Remainer campaign say? What would be their slogan?
The Leave campaign would be simple and brutally effective. TELL THEM AGAIN.
Will the lofty, up-their-own-arses Told You So Remainers be able to restrain themselves over a whole campaign? Tricky.0 -
CON doing better than LAB
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CON heading for overall majority GE2019 then smooth Brexit
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Easy. You don't consult the members. The MPs decide amongst themselves. 2 days max.Philip_Thompson said:
How does that work? How does a Tory leadership contest be held and a new PM make decisions by 12 April?Scott_P said:
One thing is certain, leadership election rules are not fit for purpose for electing a PM during a crisis.0 -
There are two equal sized fired up tribes. There isn't "the Brits". There is them and there is us.SeanT said:fpt for Recidivist
Actually, judging by that poll I just put up, I really doubt that Remain would win a 2nd vote "easily". I was beginning to think it myself, but hmm.
If we had a revote there would be a very strong possibility the Brits would say Fuck You all over again, and with added vehemence, because they weren't heard the first time.
Also, what would the Remainer campaign say? What would be their slogan?
The Leave campaign would be simple and brutally effective. TELL THEM AGAIN.0 -
Scotland =
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Looks like I’ll be in Northern Ireland on 12th April. That seems very appropriate all of a sudden!0
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She saw off the ERG, and now she is about to kill Brexit.Philip_Thompson said:I seem to recall you being pleased she won in December. How does that feel now?
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Now fact me till I fart.Ave_it said:CON doing better than LAB
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BBC confirming initial EU conclusions unconditional extension until 12th April even if Deal fails to allow the Commons to vote for an alternative and extension until May if Deal passed0
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I am going to France on the 29th March, and I fly to Las Vegas on the 12th April. Piquant.SouthamObserver said:Looks like I’ll be in Northern Ireland on 12th April. That seems very appropriate all of a sudden!
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Suddenly everyone wants to get rid of May just when the numbers are swinging in favour of her deal. Utterly transparent.0
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Single candidate for the immediate future (Hague, Liddington) with a leadership election in June once immediate crisis is resolved.Philip_Thompson said:
How does that work? How does a Tory leadership contest be held and a new PM make decisions by 12 April?Scott_P said:
One thing is certain, leadership election rules are not fit for purpose for electing a PM during a crisis.
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You must have been out last night and missed her offensive charm.Luckyguy1983 said:Suddenly everyone wants to get rid of May just when the numbers are swinging in favour of her deal. Utterly transparent.
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He's completely lost it. He was screaming for Revoke this morning. And he claims to be a calm, measured lawyer of a eurosceptic bent. lol.Scott_P said:0 -
These warnings are beginning to wear a bit thin, because there's a consistent record of more right-of-centre tories being more willing to act on their threats ; and also probably why they've largely gained control of the party in the first place. There's something about the combination of being conservative in the sense both of deferential to authority and party unity on the one hand, and unfavourable to radical change on the other, that seems to make these people consistently come off worse to the free market and nationalist radicals for 40 years now.Scott_P said:
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Numbers from where? The erg hate it, the DUP still hype it and she insulted anyone else likely to rebel and vote for it.Luckyguy1983 said:Suddenly everyone wants to get rid of May just when the numbers are swinging in favour of her deal. Utterly transparent.
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It was being said aplenty before her statement.IanB2 said:
You must have been out last night and missed her offensive charm.Luckyguy1983 said:Suddenly everyone wants to get rid of May just when the numbers are swinging in favour of her deal. Utterly transparent.
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Don't come here with your sensible suggestions.eek said:
Single candidate for the immediate future (Hague, Liddington) with a leadership election in June once immediate crisis is resolved.Philip_Thompson said:
How does that work? How does a Tory leadership contest be held and a new PM make decisions by 12 April?Scott_P said:
One thing is certain, leadership election rules are not fit for purpose for electing a PM during a crisis.
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Where are the numbers doing that? Nowhere that matters.Luckyguy1983 said:Suddenly everyone wants to get rid of May just when the numbers are swinging in favour of her deal. Utterly transparent.
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The Conservatives are in a similar position to Labour from 2003-05, seriously unpopular, but still preferred to the Opposition.kle4 said:I hoped the EU would help bring things to an end, but sadly they want parliament to have a few more weeks to talk over each other incessantly about nothing too. Go figure.
Would it not be more in their interests to just say an extension to 11 April to decide what we want? It's not like it is being kind to May to pretend the deal might get approved before then.
On the other matter I simply don't believe polls showing Tory leads. If there's a GE that proves me wrong, fine, but this is not a matter of really wanting them to suffer, it's not like I care at all for Corbyn's Labour, but I simply cannot believe a government like this could lead in the polls.0 -
Now, not so much. Go watch last night's Peston.Luckyguy1983 said:
It was being said aplenty before her statement.IanB2 said:
You must have been out last night and missed her offensive charm.Luckyguy1983 said:Suddenly everyone wants to get rid of May just when the numbers are swinging in favour of her deal. Utterly transparent.
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As I’ve continually posted today anyone who has worked in business can see a dead project where continuing won’t work. The question is how do you revert rather than continue.SeanT said:
He's completely lost it. He was screaming for Revoke this morning. And he claims to be a calm, measured lawyer of a eurosceptic bent. lol.Scott_P said:
As for an example just look at the TSB migration and our preparation for No Deal is far less than TSBs.0 -
No. If they try that then the membership will fry them aliveAramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Don't come here with your sensible suggestions.eek said:
Single candidate for the immediate future (Hague, Liddington) with a leadership election in June once immediate crisis is resolved.Philip_Thompson said:
How does that work? How does a Tory leadership contest be held and a new PM make decisions by 12 April?Scott_P said:
One thing is certain, leadership election rules are not fit for purpose for electing a PM during a crisis.
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Looks likely that the revoke petition will hit 2 million by midnight.
Peak banter would be if it hit 17,410,743 at 11pm on the 29th.0 -
Publicity-shy bookie PaddyPower offering 9/1 on TMAy PM exit date being March. Can't see the rules though, so don't know whether the trigger is 'announces I Quit' or 'new PM comes back from Buck House'. If it's the former it's monster value, and if it's the latter it's rubbish.0
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Yeah, but that was before Tezza urged lynch mobs on live TV...WhisperingOracle said:These warnings are beginning to wear a bit thin, because there's a consistent record of more right-of-centre tories being more willing to act on their threats
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Looks like we could be far more prepared for NO DEAL than the government has been letting on?Scott_P said:
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Blame is laid at May - everyone gets a vote in June my concern would be how do you keep the party membership happy without a ERG member on the final 2 ballot paper.ExiledInScotland said:
No. If they try that then the membership will fry them aliveAramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Don't come here with your sensible suggestions.eek said:
Single candidate for the immediate future (Hague, Liddington) with a leadership election in June once immediate crisis is resolved.Philip_Thompson said:
How does that work? How does a Tory leadership contest be held and a new PM make decisions by 12 April?Scott_P said:
One thing is certain, leadership election rules are not fit for purpose for electing a PM during a crisis.
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Arguably, not consulting the membership got the Tories where we are now. Another stitch-up in Westminster?Recidivist said:
Easy. You don't consult the members. The MPs decide amongst themselves. 2 days max.Philip_Thompson said:
How does that work? How does a Tory leadership contest be held and a new PM make decisions by 12 April?Scott_P said:
One thing is certain, leadership election rules are not fit for purpose for electing a PM during a crisis.
Remember, this is choosing the PM, not the leader of the opposition.
What if they aren't acceptable to DUP? GE.
It is fourteen, count 'em,14 years since a Conservative leader was selected by the membership. What do they pay their subs for?0 -
The potential difference is Labour's ground machine, which barely ticked over last time, with both national campaigns being effectively Tory led and the ground machine for Remain relying on small numbers of LibDems and Greens.Barnesian said:
There are two equal sized fired up tribes. There isn't "the Brits". There is them and there is us.SeanT said:fpt for Recidivist
Actually, judging by that poll I just put up, I really doubt that Remain would win a 2nd vote "easily". I was beginning to think it myself, but hmm.
If we had a revote there would be a very strong possibility the Brits would say Fuck You all over again, and with added vehemence, because they weren't heard the first time.
Also, what would the Remainer campaign say? What would be their slogan?
The Leave campaign would be simple and brutally effective. TELL THEM AGAIN.0 -
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As I said it’s 3 months max to fix the immediate crisis. Then there is a vote with members having a say.dixiedean said:
Arguably, not consulting the membership got the Tories where we are now. Another stitch-up in Westminster?Recidivist said:
Easy. You don't consult the members. The MPs decide amongst themselves. 2 days max.Philip_Thompson said:
How does that work? How does a Tory leadership contest be held and a new PM make decisions by 12 April?Scott_P said:
One thing is certain, leadership election rules are not fit for purpose for electing a PM during a crisis.
Remember, this is choosing the PM, not the leader of the opposition.
What if they aren't acceptable to DUP? GE.
It is fourteen, count 'em,14 years since a Conservative leader was selected by the membership. What do they pay their subs for?0 -
I am also in France on 29th March!SeanT said:
I am going to France on the 29th March, and I fly to Las Vegas on the 12th April. Piquant.SouthamObserver said:Looks like I’ll be in Northern Ireland on 12th April. That seems very appropriate all of a sudden!
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One interesting thing about this is that the "EU will blink" line of thinking has completely disappeared (although they just blinked on their no-extension-for-faffing stance).Philip_Thompson said:
May missed a trick not saying "if you want the deal to be passed so much, change the backstop".glw said:
EU deals always go down to the wire, it's the way things are done. I'd be more worried if it was tied up quickly, I'd wonder what's different this time?Big_G_NorthWales said:Sky -
Still no sign of communique as leaders are now going backwards and forwards discussing ideas with TM and it may be hours yet
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You don't. Activists won't support candidates in elections and the ground game is over.eek said:
Blame is laid at May - everyone gets a vote in June my concern would be how do you keep the party membership happy without a ERG member on the final 2 ballot paper.ExiledInScotland said:
No. If they try that then the membership will fry them aliveAramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Don't come here with your sensible suggestions.eek said:
Single candidate for the immediate future (Hague, Liddington) with a leadership election in June once immediate crisis is resolved.Philip_Thompson said:
How does that work? How does a Tory leadership contest be held and a new PM make decisions by 12 April?Scott_P said:
One thing is certain, leadership election rules are not fit for purpose for electing a PM during a crisis.
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The only way the Tory party gets out of Brexit alive is to make a success of no deal. I have no idea if that is possible.0 -
Would have been much higher if the website had been workingEl_Capitano said:Looks likely that the revoke petition will hit 2 million by midnight.
Peak banter would be if it hit 17,410,743 at 11pm on the 29th.0 -
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It’s not possible. The Tories only chance will be for Corbyn to remain leader and I suspect that wouldn’t be the case for long.ExiledInScotland said:
You don't. Activists won't support candidates in elections and the ground game is over.eek said:
Blame is laid at May - everyone gets a vote in June my concern would be how do you keep the party membership happy without a ERG member on the final 2 ballot paper.ExiledInScotland said:
No. If they try that then the membership will fry them aliveAramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Don't come here with your sensible suggestions.eek said:
Single candidate for the immediate future (Hague, Liddington) with a leadership election in June once immediate crisis is resolved.Philip_Thompson said:
How does that work? How does a Tory leadership contest be held and a new PM make decisions by 12 April?Scott_P said:
One thing is certain, leadership election rules are not fit for purpose for electing a PM during a crisis.
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The only way the Tory party gets out of Brexit alive is to make a success of no deal. I have no idea if that is possible.
Even then Boris on the ballot would be enough for me to debate who I should vote for.0 -
I was thinking of people rather than campaigns. People who are signing the revoke petition and marching on Saturday on the one hand. On the other hand are the people in the Brexit march and on QT.IanB2 said:
The potential difference is Labour's ground machine, which barely ticked over last time, with both national campaigns being effectively Tory led and the ground machine for Remain relying on small numbers of LibDems and Greens.Barnesian said:
There are two equal sized fired up tribes. There isn't "the Brits". There is them and there is us.SeanT said:fpt for Recidivist
Actually, judging by that poll I just put up, I really doubt that Remain would win a 2nd vote "easily". I was beginning to think it myself, but hmm.
If we had a revote there would be a very strong possibility the Brits would say Fuck You all over again, and with added vehemence, because they weren't heard the first time.
Also, what would the Remainer campaign say? What would be their slogan?
The Leave campaign would be simple and brutally effective. TELL THEM AGAIN.
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The banter heuristic now requires May to reject the EU deal...0
