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Oh, and Congratulations to Wales on the Slam. Best team this year, Ireland didn’t even bother turning up today.0
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That Iraq march may not have changed the government's mind at the time, but it certainly cemented the narrative that the government was in denial about public opinion and helped bury Blair's reputation for good.Richard_Tyndall said:
Hopefully that will be 2 million more people who are going to find out in the near future what all other mass marches have found over the years - that they make not a blind bit of difference.HYUFD said:
People's Vote is aiming for up to 2 million in London next Saturday, would have been more sensible for the March to Leave to just hold a rival rally in Sunderland on the same day, most Leavers do not want to do a hike across the UK to make a pointwilliamglenn said:
I think he dropped out some time ago.Scrapheap_as_was said:
Be fair - he's still got 200 miles to go.TheScreamingEagles said:Anyone else shocked that Farage hasn’t tweeted about Christchurch.
Normally super Nige is the first to comment on terrorism involving Muslims.
The morons will tell you UKIP only became anti-Muslim on Gerard Batten’s watch.
Happened way before that.
[unless private jet has taken off yet]
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F1: hmm. Have a handful of maybe-value bets, so the ramble might be a little later. We'll see.0
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The problem with Labours position is that what they want can only go into the non legally binding future relationship . What happens in the future depends on the government and it’s majority.
The only way the future relationship gets sorted is by a general election with one side having a clear majority .
After Brexit the next Tory Leadership could well be the catalyst for more defections from them to the TIG .
If Bozo gets in that will cause huge problems . They need a Leaver who can bring both sides together .
Whether you like him or not Gove is that person . He’s been loyal to May , has pushed for a deal versus no deal and has been quite conciliatory in tone towards the more pro EU wing of the party .0 -
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I had hoped my bet on England versus Italy being the top scoring match was going to come off.
It is looking quite shaky.0 -
No, we agree that there is a direct procedural precedent for a referendum on the deal.CarlottaVance said:
So we agree that there is no mandate for a second referendumwilliamglenn said:
Just like now then...CarlottaVance said:
They didn't win a majority.williamglenn said:
Really? What about the AV referendum which went against a manifesto commitment to FPTP by the Tories 2010?CarlottaVance said:
A second referendum mandated by a party winning a majority at a general election on that basis is indeed perfectly acceptable.twistedfirestopper3 said:
A second referendum is perfectly acceptableCarlottaVance said:Well, we'll see:
https://twitter.com/acgrayling/status/1106959619753152512
Otherwise its an abuse of process.0 -
A second referendum is the worst of all possible choices. I'd perhaps say that I prefer Corbyn - but it's a tie, abandoning sense altogether in both cases.twistedfirestopper3 said:
A second referendum is perfectly acceptable, although a 52-48 vote for Remain would be problematic. A straight up cancellation would be disastrous, but it should see the end of most of the Wankers of Westminster's political careers, so it's not all bad.CarlottaVance said:Well, we'll see:
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Yet they re-elected the Blair government two years later.IanB2 said:
That Iraq march may not have changed the government's mind at the time, but it certainly cemented the narrative that the government was in denial about public opinion and helped bury Blair's reputation for good.Richard_Tyndall said:
Hopefully that will be 2 million more people who are going to find out in the near future what all other mass marches have found over the years - that they make not a blind bit of difference.HYUFD said:
People's Vote is aiming for up to 2 million in London next Saturday, would have been more sensible for the March to Leave to just hold a rival rally in Sunderland on the same day, most Leavers do not want to do a hike across the UK to make a pointwilliamglenn said:
I think he dropped out some time ago.Scrapheap_as_was said:
Be fair - he's still got 200 miles to go.TheScreamingEagles said:Anyone else shocked that Farage hasn’t tweeted about Christchurch.
Normally super Nige is the first to comment on terrorism involving Muslims.
The morons will tell you UKIP only became anti-Muslim on Gerard Batten’s watch.
Happened way before that.
[unless private jet has taken off yet]
https://twitter.com/dazabdaza/status/1106927220583337984?s=21
What has damaged Blair's reputation was the failure of his warmongering.0 -
Cheeky!another_richard said:
Why should anyone pay attention to a second referendum when the first was ignored ?nico67 said:Absolutely no way the UK can just cancel Brexit and pretend it never happened .
It has to go to a second vote . As a Remainer I couldn’t support anything that didn’t involve the public having the final say .
That would cause terrible damage to the country , a second vote is the only way .
Or do referenda only count when they produce the answer the establishment wants ?0 -
A newly elected government.williamglenn said:
No, we agree that there is a direct procedural precedent for a referendum on the deal.CarlottaVance said:
So we agree that there is no mandate for a second referendumwilliamglenn said:
Just like now then...CarlottaVance said:
They didn't win a majority.williamglenn said:
Really? What about the AV referendum which went against a manifesto commitment to FPTP by the Tories 2010?CarlottaVance said:
A second referendum mandated by a party winning a majority at a general election on that basis is indeed perfectly acceptable.twistedfirestopper3 said:
A second referendum is perfectly acceptableCarlottaVance said:Well, we'll see:
https://twitter.com/acgrayling/status/1106959619753152512
Otherwise its an abuse of process.0 -
The number of easy home wins is becoming embarassing.Sandpit said:Oh, and Congratulations to Wales on the Slam. Best team this year, Ireland didn’t even bother turning up today.
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Both could be true. In the same way I might have grabbed a Big Mac earlier because I'd seen the advert or maybe I was a bit peckish. Or both.another_richard said:
An alternative explanation is that Western governments have been treating too many of their own people like crap.Cicero said:
https://codastory.com/disinformation/yellow-vests-donbas-paris/nico67 said:
Yes , it’s picked up over the last few months . The disgraceful scenes in Paris will just drive more of the public against them. Protest is in the French DNA but events have got out of control now and these protests have been hijacked by anarchists . You can’t have mob rule deciding policy . I have no problem with peaceful protest . But once these people started vandalizing the Arc De Triomphe earlier in the year their support has nosedived .kle4 said:
In the bag.Scott_P said:
On Paris, am I right that Macron's popularity has recovered somewhat since the yellow vesters went too far?
Here is yet another link between disruption in the West and Russian subversion. There is considerable evidence of a systematic and sustained attempt to damage democratic states that is both coordinated and funded by the Kremlin.0 -
The coalition was negotiated, not elected.CarlottaVance said:
A newly elected government.williamglenn said:
No, we agree that there is a direct procedural precedent for a referendum on the deal.CarlottaVance said:
So we agree that there is no mandate for a second referendumwilliamglenn said:
Just like now then...CarlottaVance said:
They didn't win a majority.williamglenn said:
Really? What about the AV referendum which went against a manifesto commitment to FPTP by the Tories 2010?CarlottaVance said:
A second referendum mandated by a party winning a majority at a general election on that basis is indeed perfectly acceptable.twistedfirestopper3 said:
A second referendum is perfectly acceptableCarlottaVance said:Well, we'll see:
https://twitter.com/acgrayling/status/1106959619753152512
Otherwise its an abuse of process.0 -
Following an election.williamglenn said:
The coalition was negotiated, not elected.CarlottaVance said:
A newly elected government.williamglenn said:
No, we agree that there is a direct procedural precedent for a referendum on the deal.CarlottaVance said:
So we agree that there is no mandate for a second referendumwilliamglenn said:
Just like now then...CarlottaVance said:
They didn't win a majority.williamglenn said:
Really? What about the AV referendum which went against a manifesto commitment to FPTP by the Tories 2010?CarlottaVance said:
A second referendum mandated by a party winning a majority at a general election on that basis is indeed perfectly acceptable.twistedfirestopper3 said:
A second referendum is perfectly acceptableCarlottaVance said:Well, we'll see:
https://twitter.com/acgrayling/status/1106959619753152512
Otherwise its an abuse of process.0 -
I never understood the negativity on here around Biden. I mentioned him about a couple of months ago and found no support regarding the strength of his candidacy.
In reality though, at least today, he is a strong candidate. He is a direct counter to Trump in attitude and approach.0 -
I think 2 million is rather over egging it for the #putittothepeople march next Saturday. A lot depends what happens this week, and also the weather, but matching October's march must be the target.HYUFD said:
People's Vote is aiming for up to 2 million in London next Saturday, would have been more sensible for the March to Leave to just hold a rival rally in Sunderland on the same day, most Leavers do not want to do a hike across the UK to make a pointwilliamglenn said:
I think he dropped out some time ago.Scrapheap_as_was said:
Be fair - he's still got 200 miles to go.TheScreamingEagles said:Anyone else shocked that Farage hasn’t tweeted about Christchurch.
Normally super Nige is the first to comment on terrorism involving Muslims.
The morons will tell you UKIP only became anti-Muslim on Gerard Batten’s watch.
Happened way before that.
[unless private jet has taken off yet]
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Seems pretty achievable. Would be an interesting experience if the deal were passed beforehand . All those 'it's not too late' placards might technically be still true but it would have to have a different tone to it.Foxy said:
I think 2 million is rather over egging it for the #putittothepeople march next Saturday. A lot depends what happens this week, and also the weather, but matching October's march must be the target.HYUFD said:
People's Vote is aiming for up to 2 million in London next Saturday, would have been more sensible for the March to Leave to just hold a rival rally in Sunderland on the same day, most Leavers do not want to do a hike across the UK to make a pointwilliamglenn said:
I think he dropped out some time ago.Scrapheap_as_was said:
Be fair - he's still got 200 miles to go.TheScreamingEagles said:Anyone else shocked that Farage hasn’t tweeted about Christchurch.
Normally super Nige is the first to comment on terrorism involving Muslims.
The morons will tell you UKIP only became anti-Muslim on Gerard Batten’s watch.
Happened way before that.
[unless private jet has taken off yet]
https://twitter.com/dazabdaza/status/1106927220583337984?s=210 -
The 2 million march against Blair's Iraq war did not change his mind but it did make a difference. All of us who marched and all our families and friends remember it, and will never forgive Blair.Richard_Tyndall said:
Hopefully that will be 2 million more people who are going to find out in the near future what all other mass marches have found over the years - that they make not a blind bit of difference.HYUFD said:
People's Vote is aiming for up to 2 million in London next Saturday, would have been more sensible for the March to Leave to just hold a rival rally in Sunderland on the same day, most Leavers do not want to do a hike across the UK to make a pointwilliamglenn said:
I think he dropped out some time ago.Scrapheap_as_was said:
Be fair - he's still got 200 miles to go.TheScreamingEagles said:Anyone else shocked that Farage hasn’t tweeted about Christchurch.
Normally super Nige is the first to comment on terrorism involving Muslims.
The morons will tell you UKIP only became anti-Muslim on Gerard Batten’s watch.
Happened way before that.
[unless private jet has taken off yet]
https://twitter.com/dazabdaza/status/1106927220583337984?s=21
Those who march on the 23rd including my family and numerous friends and neighbours including Tories friends will remember it, and will never forgive May and her Tory associates if our voices are ignored. It will make a difference.0 -
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Good to see you acknowledging that Corbyn's Labour makes no claims for centrism. Progress at last.Theuniondivvie said:
So rather than catcall & screech about Corbyn, you really, really want to understand the people who vote for far left polices? You've done a masterful job of hiding you curiosity about the motivations of those particulary voters up to now, thumbs down on the catcalling & screeching bit though.felix said:
Exactly the same on the left. There's none so blind.....Theuniondivvie said:
The Right: we need to condemn a little more, understand a little less, except when it'sfelix said:
Just the response I'd expect from you. Sad.Theuniondivvie said:
I couldn't say definitively that all those who vote for odious policies are odious, but the possibility has to be considered.felix said:
Agreed - there are many who throw out the term ultra right/left as a means to block any discussion. It is currently used much in Spain against the ultra-derecha Vox party. Most of their policies are odious but no-one seems interested amidst the catcalls and screeching , to understand why about 10-15% of Spaniards are probably going to vote for them.stodge said:Afternoon all
I'll add my condolences to those already expressed to Big G and his family.
I do however respectfully disagree with this comment this morning - the monster who committed the Christchurch atrocity isn't deserving of the epithet "Right" and nor are those with whom he apparently associated in Europe and elsewhere.
Passionate argument is and always has been the lifeblood of democracy - the totality of views expressed here and on similar forums support and enrich the democratic process.
That does not under any circumstances condone violence and murder. This terrorist took innocent lives and there can be no political justification for it. This individual is a criminal beyond politics and argument and needs only to be considered within the area of his punishment within the law.
All those who argue within politics should be united in opposing those who prefer to air their arguments through the media of violence and terror. That includes opposing the words of hate which provoke the actions of violence whether those are directed against countries, colours or creeds.
people voting for policies from the more obnoxious end of rightwing politics. 0 -
His speech at the 2016 was an absolute barnstormer, he has the broad appeal that many of those with their hat currently in the ring do not.Y0kel said:I never understood the negativity on here around Biden. I mentioned him about a couple of months ago and found no support regarding the strength of his candidacy.
In reality though, at least today, he is a strong candidate. He is a direct counter to Trump in attitude and approach.
People like Sanders and O'Rourke aren't going to cut it in the rust belt.0 -
How many Donbass veterans on the march in Hartlepool? my money is on less than 50.Cicero said:
https://codastory.com/disinformation/yellow-vests-donbas-paris/nico67 said:
Yes , it’s picked up over the last few months . The disgraceful scenes in Paris will just drive more of the public against them. Protest is in the French DNA but events have got out of control now and these protests have been hijacked by anarchists . You can’t have mob rule deciding policy . I have no problem with peaceful protest . But once these people started vandalizing the Arc De Triomphe earlier in the year their support has nosedived .kle4 said:
In the bag.Scott_P said:
On Paris, am I right that Macron's popularity has recovered somewhat since the yellow vesters went too far?
Here is yet another link between disruption in the West and Russian subversion. There is considerable evidence of a systematic and sustained attempt to damage democratic states that is both coordinated and funded by the Kremlin.
https://twitter.com/ByDonkeys/status/1106947553294196737?s=190 -
No joke - who is that?williamglenn said:0 -
Biden is too old, too stale and too handsy.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
His speech at the 2016 was an absolute barnstormer, he has the broad appeal that many of those with their hat currently in the ring do not.Y0kel said:I never understood the negativity on here around Biden. I mentioned him about a couple of months ago and found no support regarding the strength of his candidacy.
In reality though, at least today, he is a strong candidate. He is a direct counter to Trump in attitude and approach.
People like Sanders and O'Rourke aren't going to cut it in the rust belt.
The Dems need a new generation against Trump. Hickenlooper or Klobuchar should do well in the Midwest and other Mid America. Kamala may be worth it just to see her in the debates against Trump.0 -
I think we're due another Macron lecture:
https://twitter.com/hollywoodcurry/status/11069732791668449280 -
No2AV 68%williamglenn said:
Really? What about the AV referendum which went against a manifesto commitment to FPTP by the Tories 2010?CarlottaVance said:
A second referendum mandated by a party winning a majority at a general election on that basis is indeed perfectly acceptable.twistedfirestopper3 said:
A second referendum is perfectly acceptableCarlottaVance said:Well, we'll see:
https://twitter.com/acgrayling/status/1106959619753152512
Otherwise its an abuse of process.
Yes2AV 32%
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He's gaffe prone and his two previous attempts ended in failure. He's also too oldAramintaMoonbeamQC said:
His speech at the 2016 was an absolute barnstormer, he has the broad appeal that many of those with their hat currently in the ring do not.Y0kel said:I never understood the negativity on here around Biden. I mentioned him about a couple of months ago and found no support regarding the strength of his candidacy.
In reality though, at least today, he is a strong candidate. He is a direct counter to Trump in attitude and approach.
People like Sanders and O'Rourke aren't going to cut it in the rust belt.0 -
Trumpis also over 70, so age will be less of an issue. The last candidate to beat an incumbent president after only 1 term of his party in the White House, Reagan, was 69. Biden is the Democrats best bet to win the rustbelt swing states.MikeSmithson said:
He's gaffe prone and his two previous attempts ended in failure. He's also too oldAramintaMoonbeamQC said:
His speech at the 2016 was an absolute barnstormer, he has the broad appeal that many of those with their hat currently in the ring do not.Y0kel said:I never understood the negativity on here around Biden. I mentioned him about a couple of months ago and found no support regarding the strength of his candidacy.
In reality though, at least today, he is a strong candidate. He is a direct counter to Trump in attitude and approach.
People like Sanders and O'Rourke aren't going to cut it in the rust belt.0 -
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He opposed the Kuwait War in 1991 but supported the Iraq War in 2003.MikeSmithson said:
He's gaffe prone and his two previous attempts ended in failure. He's also too oldAramintaMoonbeamQC said:
His speech at the 2016 was an absolute barnstormer, he has the broad appeal that many of those with their hat currently in the ring do not.Y0kel said:I never understood the negativity on here around Biden. I mentioned him about a couple of months ago and found no support regarding the strength of his candidacy.
In reality though, at least today, he is a strong candidate. He is a direct counter to Trump in attitude and approach.
People like Sanders and O'Rourke aren't going to cut it in the rust belt.
Clearly a man of sound judgement.
He's also got a long history or plagiarism.0 -
I went on three of the 2003 marches, the one just before war broke out, the one about a month after, and the "Bush Sucks" rally that November.Barnesian said:
The 2 million march against Blair's Iraq war did not change his mind but it did make a difference. All of us who marched and all our families and friends remember it, and will never forgive Blair.Richard_Tyndall said:
Hopefully that will be 2 million more people who are going to find out in the near future what all other mass marches have found over the years - that they make not a blind bit of difference.HYUFD said:
People's Vote is aiming for up to 2 million in London next Saturday, would have been more sensible for the March to Leave to just hold a rival rally in Sunderland on the same day, most Leavers do not want to do a hike across the UK to make a pointwilliamglenn said:
I think he dropped out some time ago.Scrapheap_as_was said:
Be fair - he's still got 200 miles to go.TheScreamingEagles said:Anyone else shocked that Farage hasn’t tweeted about Christchurch.
Normally super Nige is the first to comment on terrorism involving Muslims.
The morons will tell you UKIP only became anti-Muslim on Gerard Batten’s watch.
Happened way before that.
[unless private jet has taken off yet]
https://twitter.com/dazabdaza/status/1106927220583337984?s=210 -
I don't know where this place is, but surely not Republican France. If you're in the streets of Paris, wearing a yellow vest or not, and you see that sort on nonsense you just go home.CarlottaVance said:I think we're due another Macron lecture:
https://twitter.com/hollywoodcurry/status/1106973279166844928
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According to Portillo's reading of the Commons on This Week MPs would very narrowly vote even to revoke Article 50 rather than allow No Deal, the vote to defy the Government and to reject No Deal in all circumstances being keytwistedfirestopper3 said:
A second referendum is perfectly acceptable, although a 52-48 vote for Remain would be problematic. A straight up cancellation would be disastrous, but it should see the end of most of the Wankers of Westminster's political careers, so it's not all bad.CarlottaVance said:Well, we'll see:
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If the Referendum had been 52% Remain would you be marching for a second referendum ?Barnesian said:
The 2 million march against Blair's Iraq war did not change his mind but it did make a difference. All of us who marched and all our families and friends remember it, and will never forgive Blair.Richard_Tyndall said:
Hopefully that will be 2 million more people who are going to find out in the near future what all other mass marches have found over the years - that they make not a blind bit of difference.HYUFD said:
People's Vote is aiming for up to 2 million in London next Saturday, would have been more sensible for the March to Leave to just hold a rival rally in Sunderland on the same day, most Leavers do not want to do a hike across the UK to make a pointwilliamglenn said:
I think he dropped out some time ago.Scrapheap_as_was said:
Be fair - he's still got 200 miles to go.TheScreamingEagles said:Anyone else shocked that Farage hasn’t tweeted about Christchurch.
Normally super Nige is the first to comment on terrorism involving Muslims.
The morons will tell you UKIP only became anti-Muslim on Gerard Batten’s watch.
Happened way before that.
[unless private jet has taken off yet]
https://twitter.com/dazabdaza/status/1106927220583337984?s=21
Those who march on the 23rd including my family and numerous friends and neighbours including Tories friends will remember it, and will never forgive May and her Tory associates if our voices are ignored. It will make a difference.0 -
A massive drag on Wales' prospects is being Welsh.....Scott_P said:0 -
Interesting language to have picked up.Scott_P said:0 -
It’s always someone else’s fault. Mr Grimes needs to stop whining .CarlottaVance said:Darren Grimes for The Deal:
https://twitter.com/darrengrimes_/status/1106957277108555776
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Hickenlooper is too centrist to win the nomination, he is the Democrats Jon Huntsman. Klobuchar has campaign problems. Kamala does not have Biden's appeal in the Midwest swing statesFoxy said:
Biden is too old, too stale and too handsy.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
His speech at the 2016 was an absolute barnstormer, he has the broad appeal that many of those with their hat currently in the ring do not.Y0kel said:I never understood the negativity on here around Biden. I mentioned him about a couple of months ago and found no support regarding the strength of his candidacy.
In reality though, at least today, he is a strong candidate. He is a direct counter to Trump in attitude and approach.
People like Sanders and O'Rourke aren't going to cut it in the rust belt.
The Dems need a new generation against Trump. Hickenlooper or Klobuchar should do well in the Midwest and other Mid America. Kamala may be worth it just to see her in the debates against Trump.0 -
Pete Buttigieg seems to be this site's new darling - now the star of Robert Francis O'Rourke (its St Patricks day weekend so its ok for him to remember his ancestors were Irish!!) appears to be waning?Scott_P said:
Unusual as you say to find a Norwegian speaker in Indiana - his dad who died just a few weeks ago was from Malta so that doesn't explain it.
What is it with all this dirt suddenly being dug up on poor Beto - he is seemingly getting the Tulsi Gabbard treatment from the media.0 -
If you can speak English and German you are well on the way to speaking Norwegian too.brendan16 said:
Pete Buttigieg seems to be this site's new darling - now the star of Robert Francis O'Rourke (its St Patricks day weekend so its ok for him to remember his ancestors were Irish!!) appears to be waning?Scott_P said:
Unusual as you say to find a Norwegian speaker in Indiana - his dad who died just a few weeks ago was from Malta so that doesn't explain it.
What is it with all this dirt suddenly being dug up on poor Beto - he is seemingly getting the Tulsi Gabbard treatment from the media.
Not sure there are many German speakers in Indiana though.0 -
ramona's fetish?Scott_P said:
The telling line there is "mood in my constituency changing quickly"rottenborough said:May might yet win:
https://twitter.com/tpgcolson/status/1106940439578533889
Local NUF and business people, councillors - telling MP to back it and get it done.
How many other ERGers are getting this message this weekend?
How about the mood in the country? Maybe we should find out? We could ask the people? Just needs a catchy name...0 -
Swansea actually playing football against Man City in stark contrast to Watford's dreadful effort last qeek0
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Biden will certainly be a very 'hands on' President as you say.Foxy said:
Biden is too old, too stale and too handsy.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:
His speech at the 2016 was an absolute barnstormer, he has the broad appeal that many of those with their hat currently in the ring do not.Y0kel said:I never understood the negativity on here around Biden. I mentioned him about a couple of months ago and found no support regarding the strength of his candidacy.
In reality though, at least today, he is a strong candidate. He is a direct counter to Trump in attitude and approach.
People like Sanders and O'Rourke aren't going to cut it in the rust belt.
The Dems need a new generation against Trump. Hickenlooper or Klobuchar should do well in the Midwest and other Mid America. Kamala may be worth it just to see her in the debates against Trump.
Amazing he gets a pass on this in the current climate!0 -
He should be besties with Carole then....nico67 said:
It’s always someone else’s fault. Mr Grimes needs to stop whining .CarlottaVance said:Darren Grimes for The Deal:
https://twitter.com/darrengrimes_/status/11069572771085557760 -
Its not that hard to learn. The verb structure is very simple with little conjugation. Indeed the biggest problem with Norwegian is that, to some extent, it doesn't exist. The original language Old Norse which is quite similar to Icelandic is no longer spoken. The most common language dating from the Swedish rule is Bokmal which is 'book language' and then there is Neu-Norsk which was invented after independence. But outside of Oslo very few people speak it.kle4 said:
Interesting language to have picked up.Scott_P said:
Edit: Also if you speak Glaswegian then you are half way there already.
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Completely OT but hell of a comeback for the Hammers. 3-1 down with 14 minutes to play and won 4-30
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Pretty sure there are Amish and/or Mennonites in Indiana and they speak an archaic form of German at home.Peter_the_Punter said:
If you can speak English and German you are well on the way to speaking Norwegian too.brendan16 said:
Pete Buttigieg seems to be this site's new darling - now the star of Robert Francis O'Rourke (its St Patricks day weekend so its ok for him to remember his ancestors were Irish!!) appears to be waning?Scott_P said:
Unusual as you say to find a Norwegian speaker in Indiana - his dad who died just a few weeks ago was from Malta so that doesn't explain it.
What is it with all this dirt suddenly being dug up on poor Beto - he is seemingly getting the Tulsi Gabbard treatment from the media.
Not sure there are many German speakers in Indiana though.0 -
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F1: pre-race ramble is up here: http://enormo-haddock.blogspot.com/2019/03/australia-pre-race-2019.html
In the end, I had a few 50/50 type bets and decided to back Verstappen at 2.2 for a podium. His qualifying pace was essentially equal to the Ferraris but the Honda likely has inferior qualifying modes, meaning the Red Bull should be better than Ferrari in race trim. That's my thinking anyway.
Race starts at 5.10am.0 -
Don't the Amish speak a form of 18th century German ?Peter_the_Punter said:
If you can speak English and German you are well on the way to speaking Norwegian too.brendan16 said:
Pete Buttigieg seems to be this site's new darling - now the star of Robert Francis O'Rourke (its St Patricks day weekend so its ok for him to remember his ancestors were Irish!!) appears to be waning?Scott_P said:
Unusual as you say to find a Norwegian speaker in Indiana - his dad who died just a few weeks ago was from Malta so that doesn't explain it.
What is it with all this dirt suddenly being dug up on poor Beto - he is seemingly getting the Tulsi Gabbard treatment from the media.
Not sure there are many German speakers in Indiana though.0 -
Seeing the way ManCity are playing some of the Champions League odds are ridiculous. With only 8 teams left and 3 sets of matches for the winner the four longest odds teams offer serious value. 100-1 Porto is absurd. 28-1 Tottenham and 33-1 Ajax are incredible odds given the stage of the competition. Man Utd at 20-1 is seriously seriously worth a punt.0
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It will make no difference at all and nor should it. You will rightly be ignored and so you should be.Barnesian said:
The 2 million march against Blair's Iraq war did not change his mind but it did make a difference. All of us who marched and all our families and friends remember it, and will never forgive Blair.Richard_Tyndall said:
Hopefully that will be 2 million more people who are going to find out in the near future what all other mass marches have found over the years - that they make not a blind bit of difference.HYUFD said:
People's Vote is aiming for up to 2 million in London next Saturday, would have been more sensible for the March to Leave to just hold a rival rally in Sunderland on the same day, most Leavers do not want to do a hike across the UK to make a pointwilliamglenn said:
I think he dropped out some time ago.Scrapheap_as_was said:
Be fair - he's still got 200 miles to go.TheScreamingEagles said:Anyone else shocked that Farage hasn’t tweeted about Christchurch.
Normally super Nige is the first to comment on terrorism involving Muslims.
The morons will tell you UKIP only became anti-Muslim on Gerard Batten’s watch.
Happened way before that.
[unless private jet has taken off yet]
https://twitter.com/dazabdaza/status/1106927220583337984?s=21
Those who march on the 23rd including my family and numerous friends and neighbours including Tories friends will remember it, and will never forgive May and her Tory associates if our voices are ignored. It will make a difference.0 -
But I guarantee people like you loved it when the crowds brought down Ceaucescu.Richard_Tyndall said:
It will make no difference at all and nor should it. You will rightly be ignored and so you should be.Barnesian said:
The 2 million march against Blair's Iraq war did not change his mind but it did make a difference. All of us who marched and all our families and friends remember it, and will never forgive Blair.Richard_Tyndall said:
Hopefully that will be 2 million more people who are going to find out in the near future what all other mass marches have found over the years - that they make not a blind bit of difference.HYUFD said:
People's Vote is aiming for up to 2 million in London next Saturday, would have been more sensible for the March to Leave to just hold a rival rally in Sunderland on the same day, most Leavers do not want to do a hike across the UK to make a pointwilliamglenn said:
I think he dropped out some time ago.Scrapheap_as_was said:
Be fair - he's still got 200 miles to go.TheScreamingEagles said:Anyone else shocked that Farage hasn’t tweeted about Christchurch.
Normally super Nige is the first to comment on terrorism involving Muslims.
The morons will tell you UKIP only became anti-Muslim on Gerard Batten’s watch.
Happened way before that.
[unless private jet has taken off yet]
https://twitter.com/dazabdaza/status/1106927220583337984?s=21
Those who march on the 23rd including my family and numerous friends and neighbours including Tories friends will remember it, and will never forgive May and her Tory associates if our voices are ignored. It will make a difference.
The hardline Brexiteers really don't help their cause through their pigheadedness.0 -
Opinium Research have Con 38%, Lab 35%, UKIP and Lib Dem 8% each0
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Not as big as at Twickers!!!!Richard_Tyndall said:Completely OT but hell of a comeback for the Hammers. 3-1 down with 14 minutes to play and won 4-3
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That well known democracy Ceaucescu's Romania.Mysticrose said:
But I guarantee people like you loved it when the crowds brought down Ceaucescu.Richard_Tyndall said:
It will make no difference at all and nor should it. You will rightly be ignored and so you should be.Barnesian said:
The 2 million march against Blair's Iraq war did not change his mind but it did make a difference. All of us who marched and all our families and friends remember it, and will never forgive Blair.Richard_Tyndall said:
Hopefully that will be 2 million more people who are going to find out in the near future what all other mass marches have found over the years - that they make not a blind bit of difference.HYUFD said:
People's Vote is aiming for up to 2 million in London next Saturday, would have been more sensible for the March to Leave to just hold a rival rally in Sunderland on the same day, most Leavers do not want to do a hike across the UK to make a pointwilliamglenn said:
I think he dropped out some time ago.Scrapheap_as_was said:
Be fair - he's still got 200 miles to go.TheScreamingEagles said:Anyone else shocked that Farage hasn’t tweeted about Christchurch.
Normally super Nige is the first to comment on terrorism involving Muslims.
The morons will tell you UKIP only became anti-Muslim on Gerard Batten’s watch.
Happened way before that.
[unless private jet has taken off yet]
https://twitter.com/dazabdaza/status/1106927220583337984?s=21
Those who march on the 23rd including my family and numerous friends and neighbours including Tories friends will remember it, and will never forgive May and her Tory associates if our voices are ignored. It will make a difference.
The hardline Brexiteers really don't help their cause through their pigheadedness.0 -
This England game is looking like a betting coup!0
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Actually Bokmal is very close to standard Danish. Norway had been ruled by Denmark as a province for centuries before the Swedes took it in 1815. In fact, from 1815 to 1905 Norway was in a personal union with Sweden but with its own government and parliament akin to how Scotland was with England from 1603 to 1707. So there wasn't really any Swedification of Norwegian. I've heard from Nordic colleagues that standard Danish, Norwegian and Swedish have a high degree of mutual intelligibility. They all agree though that no-one can understand the dialect of the once-Danish now Swedish region of Scania!Richard_Tyndall said:
Its not that hard to learn. The verb structure is very simple with little conjugation. Indeed the biggest problem with Norwegian is that, to some extent, it doesn't exist. The original language Old Norse which is quite similar to Icelandic is no longer spoken. The most common language dating from the Swedish rule is Bokmal which is 'book language' and then there is Neu-Norsk which was invented after independence. But outside of Oslo very few people speak it.kle4 said:
Interesting language to have picked up.Scott_P said:
Edit: Also if you speak Glaswegian then you are half way there already.
Icelandic is quite a different kettle of fish and remains so close to Old Norse that Icelanders can still read the Viking sagas in the original without much difficulty. It would be akin to the people of the Isle of Wight still speaking a form of Old English (i.e. Anglo-Saxon).0 -
Yes, quite right Mr Tyndall. Only crooked millionaires, other charlatans and Russians should have their voices heard. And if they are heard once, the vast majority can be safely ignored thereafter.Richard_Tyndall said:
It will make no difference at all and nor should it. You will rightly be ignored and so you should be.Barnesian said:
The 2 million march against Blair's Iraq war did not change his mind but it did make a difference. All of us who marched and all our families and friends remember it, and will never forgive Blair.Richard_Tyndall said:
Hopefully that will be 2 million more people who are going to find out in the near future what all other mass marches have found over the years - that they make not a blind bit of difference.HYUFD said:
People's Vote is aiming for up to 2 million in London next Saturday, would have been more sensible for the March to Leave to just hold a rival rally in Sunderland on the same day, most Leavers do not want to do a hike across the UK to make a pointwilliamglenn said:
I think he dropped out some time ago.Scrapheap_as_was said:
Be fair - he's still got 200 miles to go.TheScreamingEagles said:Anyone else shocked that Farage hasn’t tweeted about Christchurch.
Normally super Nige is the first to comment on terrorism involving Muslims.
The morons will tell you UKIP only became anti-Muslim on Gerard Batten’s watch.
Happened way before that.
[unless private jet has taken off yet]
https://twitter.com/dazabdaza/status/1106927220583337984?s=21
Those who march on the 23rd including my family and numerous friends and neighbours including Tories friends will remember it, and will never forgive May and her Tory associates if our voices are ignored. It will make a difference.
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You think we should change government via mass marches in London?Mysticrose said:
But I guarantee people like you loved it when the crowds brought down Ceaucescu.Richard_Tyndall said:
It will make no difference at all and nor should it. You will rightly be ignored and so you should be.Barnesian said:
The 2 million march against Blair's Iraq war did not change his mind but it did make a difference. All of us who marched and all our families and friends remember it, and will never forgive Blair.Richard_Tyndall said:
Hopefully that will be 2 million more people who are going to find out in the near future what all other mass marches have found over the years - that they make not a blind bit of difference.HYUFD said:
People's Vote is aiming for up to 2 million in London next Saturday, would have been more sensible for the March to Leave to just hold a rival rally in Sunderland on the same day, most Leavers do not want to do a hike across the UK to make a pointwilliamglenn said:
I think he dropped out some time ago.Scrapheap_as_was said:
Be fair - he's still got 200 miles to go.TheScreamingEagles said:Anyone else shocked that Farage hasn’t tweeted about Christchurch.
Normally super Nige is the first to comment on terrorism involving Muslims.
The morons will tell you UKIP only became anti-Muslim on Gerard Batten’s watch.
Happened way before that.
[unless private jet has taken off yet]
https://twitter.com/dazabdaza/status/1106927220583337984?s=21
Those who march on the 23rd including my family and numerous friends and neighbours including Tories friends will remember it, and will never forgive May and her Tory associates if our voices are ignored. It will make a difference.
The hardline Brexiteers really don't help their cause through their pigheadedness.0 -
Once again PB being a source of new knowledge.rpjs said:
Actually Bokmal is very close to standard Danish. Norway had been ruled by Denmark as a province for centuries before the Swedes took it in 1815. In fact, from 1815 to 1905 Norway was in a personal union with Sweden but with its own government and parliament akin to how Scotland was with England from 1603 to 1707. So there wasn't really any Swedification of Norwegian. I've heard from Nordic colleagues that standard Danish, Norwegian and Swedish have a high degree of mutual intelligibility. They all agree that no-one can understand the dialect of the once-Danish now Swedish region of Scania!Richard_Tyndall said:
Its not that hard to learn. The verb structure is very simple with little conjugation. Indeed the biggest problem with Norwegian is that, to some extent, it doesn't exist. The original language Old Norse which is quite similar to Icelandic is no longer spoken. The most common language dating from the Swedish rule is Bokmal which is 'book language' and then there is Neu-Norsk which was invented after independence. But outside of Oslo very few people speak it.kle4 said:
Interesting language to have picked up.Scott_P said:
Edit: Also if you speak Glaswegian then you are half way there already.
Icelandic is quite a different kettle of fish and remains so close to Old Norse that Icelanders can still read the Viking sagas in the original without much difficulty. It would be akin to the people of the Isle of Wight still speaking a form of Old English (i.e. Anglo-Saxon).0 -
Who are this 'vast majority' ?PClipp said:
Yes, quite right Mr Tyndall. Only crooked millionaires, other charlatans and Russians should have their voices heard. And if they are heard once, the vast majority can be safely ignored thereafter.Richard_Tyndall said:
It will make no difference at all and nor should it. You will rightly be ignored and so you should be.Barnesian said:
The 2 million march against Blair's Iraq war did not change his mind but it did make a difference. All of us who marched and all our families and friends remember it, and will never forgive Blair.Richard_Tyndall said:
Hopefully that will be 2 million more people who are going to find out in the near future what all other mass marches have found over the years - that they make not a blind bit of difference.HYUFD said:
People's Vote is aiming for up to 2 million in London next Saturday, would have been more sensible for the March to Leave to just hold a rival rally in Sunderland on the same day, most Leavers do not want to do a hike across the UK to make a pointwilliamglenn said:
I think he dropped out some time ago.Scrapheap_as_was said:
Be fair - he's still got 200 miles to go.TheScreamingEagles said:Anyone else shocked that Farage hasn’t tweeted about Christchurch.
Normally super Nige is the first to comment on terrorism involving Muslims.
The morons will tell you UKIP only became anti-Muslim on Gerard Batten’s watch.
Happened way before that.
[unless private jet has taken off yet]
https://twitter.com/dazabdaza/status/1106927220583337984?s=21
Those who march on the 23rd including my family and numerous friends and neighbours including Tories friends will remember it, and will never forgive May and her Tory associates if our voices are ignored. It will make a difference.
The LibDem 8% ?
Or is it as usual "people like me not people like them" ?0 -
Only morons think that marches should change government policy. They do not represent anyone except themselves. And when it comes to crooked millionaires and charlatans the Lib Dems are experts of course.PClipp said:
Yes, quite right Mr Tyndall. Only crooked millionaires, other charlatans and Russians should have their voices heard. And if they are heard once, the vast majority can be safely ignored thereafter.Richard_Tyndall said:
It will make no difference at all and nor should it. You will rightly be ignored and so you should be.Barnesian said:
The 2 million march against Blair's Iraq war did not change his mind but it did make a difference. All of us who marched and all our families and friends remember it, and will never forgive Blair.Richard_Tyndall said:
Hopefully that will be 2 million more people who are going to find out in the near future what all other mass marches have found over the years - that they make not a blind bit of difference.HYUFD said:
People's Vote is aiming for up to 2 million in London next Saturday, would have been more sensible for the March to Leave to just hold a rival rally in Sunderland on the same day, most Leavers do not want to do a hike across the UK to make a pointwilliamglenn said:
I think he dropped out some time ago.Scrapheap_as_was said:
Be fair - he's still got 200 miles to go.TheScreamingEagles said:Anyone else shocked that Farage hasn’t tweeted about Christchurch.
Normally super Nige is the first to comment on terrorism involving Muslims.
The morons will tell you UKIP only became anti-Muslim on Gerard Batten’s watch.
Happened way before that.
[unless private jet has taken off yet]
https://twitter.com/dazabdaza/status/1106927220583337984?s=21
Those who march on the 23rd including my family and numerous friends and neighbours including Tories friends will remember it, and will never forgive May and her Tory associates if our voices are ignored. It will make a difference.0 -
I don't know if the comparison you seek to make holds up at all and therefore does not help your case.Mysticrose said:
But I guarantee people like you loved it when the crowds brought down Ceaucescu.Richard_Tyndall said:
It will make no difference at all and nor should it. You will rightly be ignored and so you should be.Barnesian said:
The 2 million march against Blair's Iraq war did not change his mind but it did make a difference. All of us who marched and all our families and friends remember it, and will never forgive Blair.Richard_Tyndall said:
Hopefully that will be 2 million more people who are going to find out in the near future what all other mass marches have found over the years - that they make not a blind bit of difference.HYUFD said:
People's Vote is aiming for up to 2 million in London next Saturday, would have been more sensible for the March to Leave to just hold a rival rally in Sunderland on the same day, most Leavers do not want to do a hike across the UK to make a pointwilliamglenn said:
I think he dropped out some time ago.Scrapheap_as_was said:
Be fair - he's still got 200 miles to go.TheScreamingEagles said:Anyone else shocked that Farage hasn’t tweeted about Christchurch.
Normally super Nige is the first to comment on terrorism involving Muslims.
The morons will tell you UKIP only became anti-Muslim on Gerard Batten’s watch.
Happened way before that.
[unless private jet has taken off yet]
https://twitter.com/dazabdaza/status/1106927220583337984?s=21
Those who march on the 23rd including my family and numerous friends and neighbours including Tories friends will remember it, and will never forgive May and her Tory associates if our voices are ignored. It will make a difference.
The hardline Brexiteers really don't help their cause through their pigheadedness.0 -
Well yes, but that was after the gap bizarrely opened up in the first place.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
They do indeed have a degree of interchangability. But only a degree. It makes it easier to learn the respective languages but is certainly not close enough that you could get away with speaking Norwegian in Denmark and be easily understood. I know. I have tried.rpjs said:
Actually Bokmal is very close to standard Danish. Norway had been ruled by Denmark as a province for centuries before the Swedes took it in 1815. In fact, from 1815 to 1905 Norway was in a personal union with Sweden but with its own government and parliament akin to how Scotland was with England from 1603 to 1707. So there wasn't really any Swedification of Norwegian. I've heard from Nordic colleagues that standard Danish, Norwegian and Swedish have a high degree of mutual intelligibility. They all agree though that no-one can understand the dialect of the once-Danish now Swedish region of Scania!Richard_Tyndall said:
Its not that hard to learn. The verb structure is very simple with little conjugation. Indeed the biggest problem with Norwegian is that, to some extent, it doesn't exist. The original language Old Norse which is quite similar to Icelandic is no longer spoken. The most common language dating from the Swedish rule is Bokmal which is 'book language' and then there is Neu-Norsk which was invented after independence. But outside of Oslo very few people speak it.kle4 said:
Interesting language to have picked up.Scott_P said:
Edit: Also if you speak Glaswegian then you are half way there already.
Icelandic is quite a different kettle of fish and remains so close to Old Norse that Icelanders can still read the Viking sagas in the original without much difficulty. It would be akin to the people of the Isle of Wight still speaking a form of Old English (i.e. Anglo-Saxon).0 -
Unless you are planning a violent revolution then I would suggest the comparison is badly - and quite offensively - misplaced.Mysticrose said:
But I guarantee people like you loved it when the crowds brought down Ceaucescu.Richard_Tyndall said:
It will make no difference at all and nor should it. You will rightly be ignored and so you should be.Barnesian said:
The 2 million march against Blair's Iraq war did not change his mind but it did make a difference. All of us who marched and all our families and friends remember it, and will never forgive Blair.Richard_Tyndall said:
Hopefully that will be 2 million more people who are going to find out in the near future what all other mass marches have found over the years - that they make not a blind bit of difference.HYUFD said:
People's Vote is aiming for up to 2 million in London next Saturday, would have been more sensible for the March to Leave to just hold a rival rally in Sunderland on the same day, most Leavers do not want to do a hike across the UK to make a pointwilliamglenn said:
I think he dropped out some time ago.Scrapheap_as_was said:
Be fair - he's still got 200 miles to go.TheScreamingEagles said:Anyone else shocked that Farage hasn’t tweeted about Christchurch.
Normally super Nige is the first to comment on terrorism involving Muslims.
The morons will tell you UKIP only became anti-Muslim on Gerard Batten’s watch.
Happened way before that.
[unless private jet has taken off yet]
https://twitter.com/dazabdaza/status/1106927220583337984?s=21
Those who march on the 23rd including my family and numerous friends and neighbours including Tories friends will remember it, and will never forgive May and her Tory associates if our voices are ignored. It will make a difference.
The hardline Brexiteers really don't help their cause through their pigheadedness.0 -
If the latest rumours are true re something in the WAIB for the DUP .
Then effectively that rules out a border in the Irish Sea which then means the UK will have greater difficulty in exiting the backstop .
It seems as if the DUP don’t really care if the whole UK remains in the customs union . The phyto sanitary checks are the big problem in exiting the backstop , that would have been easier to accomplish with that between the UK and Ireland /NI.
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"Ignored" in the sense that parliament, the government and pb have discussed nothing else for nearly three solid years?another_richard said:
Why should anyone pay attention to a second referendum when the first was ignored ?nico67 said:Absolutely no way the UK can just cancel Brexit and pretend it never happened .
It has to go to a second vote . As a Remainer I couldn’t support anything that didn’t involve the public having the final say .
That would cause terrible damage to the country , a second vote is the only way .
Or do referenda only count when they produce the answer the establishment wants ?0 -
Ignored in the sense that Parliament continues to refuse to actually allow it to happen.Ishmael_Z said:
"Ignored" in the sense that parliament, the government and pb have discussed nothing else for nearly three solid years?another_richard said:
Why should anyone pay attention to a second referendum when the first was ignored ?nico67 said:Absolutely no way the UK can just cancel Brexit and pretend it never happened .
It has to go to a second vote . As a Remainer I couldn’t support anything that didn’t involve the public having the final say .
That would cause terrible damage to the country , a second vote is the only way .
Or do referenda only count when they produce the answer the establishment wants ?0 -
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Discussing something is not the same as doing it.Ishmael_Z said:
"Ignored" in the sense that parliament, the government and pb have discussed nothing else for nearly three solid years?another_richard said:
Why should anyone pay attention to a second referendum when the first was ignored ?nico67 said:Absolutely no way the UK can just cancel Brexit and pretend it never happened .
It has to go to a second vote . As a Remainer I couldn’t support anything that didn’t involve the public having the final say .
That would cause terrible damage to the country , a second vote is the only way .
Or do referenda only count when they produce the answer the establishment wants ?
" This is your decision. The Government will implement what you decide. "
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/515068/why-the-government-believes-that-voting-to-remain-in-the-european-union-is-the-best-decision-for-the-uk.pdf0 -
To which the answer would be that Brexit is turning out to be way more damaging than anyone expected and simply has to be cancelled. That's why it should be revoked. No need for a new vote.another_richard said:
Why should anyone pay attention to a second referendum when the first was ignored ?nico67 said:Absolutely no way the UK can just cancel Brexit and pretend it never happened .
It has to go to a second vote . As a Remainer I couldn’t support anything that didn’t involve the public having the final say .
That would cause terrible damage to the country , a second vote is the only way .
Or do referenda only count when they produce the answer the establishment wants ?0 -
Brexit hasn't happened yet. What is damaging is those trying to prevent it.Recidivist said:
To which the answer would be that Brexit is turning out to be way more damaging than anyone expected and simply has to be cancelled. That's why it should be revoked. No need for a new vote.another_richard said:
Why should anyone pay attention to a second referendum when the first was ignored ?nico67 said:Absolutely no way the UK can just cancel Brexit and pretend it never happened .
It has to go to a second vote . As a Remainer I couldn’t support anything that didn’t involve the public having the final say .
That would cause terrible damage to the country , a second vote is the only way .
Or do referenda only count when they produce the answer the establishment wants ?0 -
People cannot simultaneously dismiss any good or ok news because we haven't left yet and also claim the damage from Brexit has been so bad it must be cancelled. And yes, it means people cannot claim good news as being despite Brexit then dismiss bad news because Brexit hasn't happened yet.Recidivist said:
To which the answer would be that Brexit is turning out to be way more damaging than anyone expected and simply has to be cancelled. That's why it should be revoked. No need for a new vote.another_richard said:
Why should anyone pay attention to a second referendum when the first was ignored ?nico67 said:Absolutely no way the UK can just cancel Brexit and pretend it never happened .
It has to go to a second vote . As a Remainer I couldn’t support anything that didn’t involve the public having the final say .
That would cause terrible damage to the country , a second vote is the only way .
Or do referenda only count when they produce the answer the establishment wants ?0
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