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  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    Creepy Joe will run. More fodder for trump to easily beat
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,163
    edited March 2019
    Might as well run with that support to start with, what's he got to lose?

    In other news
    https://twitter.com/LibDems/status/1106658708388528128 I wonder, is the answer to fix our broken politics to vote LD and TIG?
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    edited March 2019
    kle4 said:

    Might as well run with that support to start with, what's he got to lose?

    In other news
    https://twitter.com/LibDems/status/1106658708388528128 I wonder, is the answer to fix our broken politics to vote LD and TIG?

    You mean the independent Democrats?
    Or Chuka Umunas Independent league of Democrats?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,384
    Probably their best candidate. He won't be demanding reparations for slavery, or an end to immigration controls.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,384
    kle4 said:

    Might as well run with that support to start with, what's he got to lose?

    In other news
    https://twitter.com/LibDems/status/1106658708388528128 I wonder, is the answer to fix our broken politics to vote LD and TIG?

    The next election might be won by a party getting 33% of the vote.

  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    edited March 2019
    Sean_F said:

    Probably their best candidate. He won't be demanding reparations for slavery, or an end to immigration controls.

    Depends if Trump can make the mud stick about Obama's WH being behind FISA and setting up investigations into trump without evidence of a crime or wrongdoing. If he does Biden goes down by association
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    Sean_F said:

    kle4 said:

    Might as well run with that support to start with, what's he got to lose?

    In other news
    https://twitter.com/LibDems/status/1106658708388528128 I wonder, is the answer to fix our broken politics to vote LD and TIG?

    The next election might be won by a party getting 33% of the vote.

    If they could peel off the non wingnut labourites and divorce them from obsessing over party instead of principle they'd walk it imo
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,814
    As I've backed Biden, I'm content for him to run.

    F1 pre-race ramble will likely go up this evening.
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,331
    kle4 said:

    Might as well run with that support to start with, what's he got to lose?

    In other news
    https://twitter.com/LibDems/status/1106658708388528128 I wonder, is the answer to fix our broken politics to vote LD and TIG?

    Given the alternatives, I'd say yes!
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,217
    edited March 2019
    BIDEN 2020 :D

    I'M ON
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    Can you crop it tighter? No, tighter!!!

    https://twitter.com/andreajenkyns/status/1106864839073415168
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,247
    I think you are about right, David.
    The four betting favourites more or less equal odds don’t make much sense to me, either - are there any you would be laying at this point ?

    I wonder about Vanity Fair, “Man, I’m just born to be in it” O’Rourke.

    Has he blown it by going for president instead of another Senate shot ? He’s going to have a lot of Democrats trying to demolish his myth, rather than the entire party behind him for the next year.
  • Scott_P said:
    that's an hour or so done... are we nearly there yet?

    https://twitter.com/andreajenkyns/status/1106861660315234304
  • Scott_P said:
    At least these people are out doing something to promote the cause they believe in. I suppose it's easier to just snark from the internet though.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,042
    Back to Brexit (communal groan):

    So if MV3 is defeated we then get a series of votes on different breeds of unicorn. I would expect them all to be defeated too.

    Then what? MV4? A vote on revoking A50? A vote on putting May's deal to the public in a second referendum?

    Without parliament passing something by Brexit Day, why should the 27 grant us any kind of extension?

    That then leads to either No Deal Brexit or Tezzie blinking and revoking at 22:55 on the 29th.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453

    At least these people are out doing something to promote the cause they believe in.

    https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/1106858425516986374

    And now I shall go out and do something to promote a cause I believe in. I shall purchase refreshments for the upcoming Calcutta Cup match
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,042
    Scott_P said:

    At least these people are out doing something to promote the cause they believe in.

    https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/1106858425516986374

    And now I shall go out and do something to promote a cause I believe in. I shall purchase refreshments for the upcoming Calcutta Cup match
    Kolkata. Never had you down as an Imperialist.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,617
    Starting point: I'm not an ERG-er. I hate May's Shit Deal. But I'm a pragmatist. Nothing better is going to come along. No Deal preparation was blocked. Let those responsible have their careers rot in hell for that, but the narrative is set; everything about No Deal is toxic. We would probably muddle through without most of the horrors ascribed, but any little thing that goes wrong will be blown out of all proportion. "OMG!!! We left the EU and now I CAN'T BUY GOOSEBERRIES IN APRIL!!!" That sort of horror. Or else it really could be truly horrible - and we lose 100,000s of thousands of top quality jobs.

    If you are an ERG MP though, you might continue your crusade, determined to hold out until the end. That comes with a very real risk of No Brexit rather than No Deal. Realisitically, there will never be another opportunity to Leave. Sure, you could be a standard-bearer for the Really Pissed Off. Point out that every British ill is down to us not having Brexited. In other words, become Nigel Farage. But some - many - will blame YOU for those ills still visiting us. Because unlike Farage, who was not an MP, you could have stopped them. If only you hadn't been such a purist twat. The rest of your life is a long time to have to watch generations of Juncker's successors, lording it over us. Thinking "If only....."

    It seems unfathomable that when you have worked yourself into a lather for decades over the ills of the EU, you are going to give up the chance to be finally parted from it. But we AREN'T parted from it, they will cry. We are a vassal of Europe. Well, up to a point. You think if this was Frexit, the French would honour Macron's Shit Deal until the end of time? Of course not.

    Just bloody well swallow your wretched pride, sign up to May's Deal, then oust May at the earliest. Work to elect somebody who commits to TRY to undertake the trade agreement, but will prepare for An Alternative if the EU deal proves to come with a price-tag that's too high. Yes, you are still going to be fighting the establishment every step of the way. Better that than being wound ever tighter into Brussel's clutches. That will be far, far worse.

    And a reminder. You stood as Conservative MPs. Not ERG MPs. Those who voted for you did so for many reasons, but for many it was because you had signed up to Leave the EU. You can't claim some great moral authority to implement the purest Brexit, when to do so would require commiting a fraud upon your voters.
  • Scott_P said:

    At least these people are out doing something to promote the cause they believe in.

    https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/1106858425516986374

    And now I shall go out and do something to promote a cause I believe in. I shall purchase refreshments for the upcoming Calcutta Cup match
    Are you going to copy/paste/retweet for the whole 200 miles (or until they give up and go home)?
    Could be even more tedious than your normal output....
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,217

    Scott_P said:
    that's an hour or so done... are we nearly there yet?

    https://twitter.com/andreajenkyns/status/1106861660315234304
    Kate's canvass trainers look more suitable for the walk than Andrea's but she'll need to have several pairs to let them dry at the end of each day. Hiking boots would be best if you're planning on only using one pair of shoes.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,384
    I see Iman Fadil, a Moroccan prostitute who was due to give evidence against Berlusconi, has died of radiation poisoning.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,384

    Starting point: I'm not an ERG-er. I hate May's Shit Deal. But I'm a pragmatist. Nothing better is going to come along. No Deal preparation was blocked. Let those responsible have their careers rot in hell for that, but the narrative is set; everything about No Deal is toxic. We would probably muddle through without most of the horrors ascribed, but any little thing that goes wrong will be blown out of all proportion. "OMG!!! We left the EU and now I CAN'T BUY GOOSEBERRIES IN APRIL!!!" That sort of horror. Or else it really could be truly horrible - and we lose 100,000s of thousands of top quality jobs.

    If you are an ERG MP though, you might continue your crusade, determined to hold out until the end. That comes with a very real risk of No Brexit rather than No Deal. Realisitically, there will never be another opportunity to Leave. Sure, you could be a standard-bearer for the Really Pissed Off. Point out that every British ill is down to us not having Brexited. In other words, become Nigel Farage. But some - many - will blame YOU for those ills still visiting us. Because unlike Farage, who was not an MP, you could have stopped them. If only you hadn't been such a purist twat. The rest of your life is a long time to have to watch generations of Juncker's successors, lording it over us. Thinking "If only....."

    It seems unfathomable that when you have worked yourself into a lather for decades over the ills of the EU, you are going to give up the chance to be finally parted from it. But we AREN'T parted from it, they will cry. We are a vassal of Europe. Well, up to a point. You think if this was Frexit, the French would honour Macron's Shit Deal until the end of time? Of course not.

    Just bloody well swallow your wretched pride, sign up to May's Deal, then oust May at the earliest. Work to elect somebody who commits to TRY to undertake the trade agreement, but will prepare for An Alternative if the EU deal proves to come with a price-tag that's too high. Yes, you are still going to be fighting the establishment every step of the way. Better that than being wound ever tighter into Brussel's clutches. That will be far, far worse.

    And a reminder. You stood as Conservative MPs. Not ERG MPs. Those who voted for you did so for many reasons, but for many it was because you had signed up to Leave the EU. You can't claim some great moral authority to implement the purest Brexit, when to do so would require commiting a fraud upon your voters.

    There's not much choice, really, if you favour Brexit.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,133
    Why has the BBC pixelated an image of the nz terrorist arriving in court? Is it some weird nz law?
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,815
    Scott_P said:
    Andrea Jenkyns is a perfect example of “be careful what you wish for”.

    Oh how I hoped and dreamed of an Ed Balls defeat, and now in hindsight...
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    FPT:
    DavidL said:

    FF43 said:

    DavidL said:

    _Anazina_ said:

    DavidL said:

    Barnesian said:

    Sean_F said:
    .
    I am not sure even this would be enough unless Cox can work some magic on the DUP but it would be a start and an important start. If the Tories are to have any aspirations of forming a government (this one having collapsed) they need to stop the self indulgence and restore party discipline. May can't do it, she is a completely busted flush, but the Cabinet as a whole can.
    The ludicrous Cox could try shouting even louder. It can sometimes work with bigoted NI loyalists.
    I think that you are the only one who finds him ludicrous.
    His position as a lawyer was familiar to me. Can you remove all risk or give a guarantee? No. The client has to make an informed decision based on their assessment of that risk. That is your job.
    Had a similar experience on buying property - there was some dispute over where the property boundary ran (through the middle of a gorse patch - by a couple of inches) and it was suggested I 'take a view' on the matter - that it was a problem in theory but was not remotely likely to be in practice - which I did.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,676
    Sean_F said:

    kle4 said:

    Might as well run with that support to start with, what's he got to lose?

    In other news
    https://twitter.com/LibDems/status/1106658708388528128 I wonder, is the answer to fix our broken politics to vote LD and TIG?

    The next election might be won by a party getting 33% of the vote.

    Jezza over 40% methinks.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,617

    Scott_P said:

    At least these people are out doing something to promote the cause they believe in.

    https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/1106858425516986374

    And now I shall go out and do something to promote a cause I believe in. I shall purchase refreshments for the upcoming Calcutta Cup match
    Kolkata. Never had you down as an Imperialist.
    I know you're being snarky, but.....

    The Calcutta Cup was so named in 1879.

    Calcutta only officially became Kolkata in 2001. More than half a century after imperial rule ended.

    (Although, I'm never quite sure if Bombay Mix is Imperialist.... Presumably it was first mixed at the time of it being Bombay, so would be historically inaccurate to call it "Mumbai Mix". Unless of course, the mix you acquire IS actually mixed in Mumbai and exported...would that be Mumbai Bombay Mix???)
  • ThomasNasheThomasNashe Posts: 5,331

    Why has the BBC pixelated an image of the nz terrorist arriving in court? Is it some weird nz law?

    Good decision. Depicts him as the obscure pathetic nobody he actually is, rather than some preening superhero of the alt-right.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,384

    Sean_F said:

    kle4 said:

    Might as well run with that support to start with, what's he got to lose?

    In other news
    https://twitter.com/LibDems/status/1106658708388528128 I wonder, is the answer to fix our broken politics to vote LD and TIG?

    The next election might be won by a party getting 33% of the vote.

    Jezza over 40% methinks.
    He'd have to become a lot more popular.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,384

    Scott_P said:

    At least these people are out doing something to promote the cause they believe in.

    https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/1106858425516986374

    And now I shall go out and do something to promote a cause I believe in. I shall purchase refreshments for the upcoming Calcutta Cup match
    Kolkata. Never had you down as an Imperialist.
    I know you're being snarky, but.....

    The Calcutta Cup was so named in 1879.

    Calcutta only officially became Kolkata in 2001. More than half a century after imperial rule ended.

    (Although, I'm never quite sure if Bombay Mix is Imperialist.... Presumably it was first mixed at the time of it being Bombay, so would be historically inaccurate to call it "Mumbai Mix". Unless of course, the mix you acquire IS actually mixed in Mumbai and exported...would that be Mumbai Bombay Mix???)
    My understanding is that Bombay is preferred by locals who aren't Hindu nationalists.
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786

    Scott_P said:

    At least these people are out doing something to promote the cause they believe in.

    https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/1106858425516986374

    And now I shall go out and do something to promote a cause I believe in. I shall purchase refreshments for the upcoming Calcutta Cup match
    Kolkata. Never had you down as an Imperialist.
    I know you're being snarky, but.....

    The Calcutta Cup was so named in 1879.

    Calcutta only officially became Kolkata in 2001. More than half a century after imperial rule ended.

    (Although, I'm never quite sure if Bombay Mix is Imperialist.... Presumably it was first mixed at the time of it being Bombay, so would be historically inaccurate to call it "Mumbai Mix". Unless of course, the mix you acquire IS actually mixed in Mumbai and exported...would that be Mumbai Bombay Mix???)
    Chicken Chennai and Mumbai potatoes please
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,133

    Why has the BBC pixelated an image of the nz terrorist arriving in court? Is it some weird nz law?

    Good decision. Depicts him as the obscure pathetic nobody he actually is, rather than some preening superhero of the alt-right.
    If that's the reason, should we also pixelate Hitler etc? I totally agree with not showing his go-pro live stream footage, but not sure about this.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,868
    Sean_F said:

    Scott_P said:

    At least these people are out doing something to promote the cause they believe in.

    https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/1106858425516986374

    And now I shall go out and do something to promote a cause I believe in. I shall purchase refreshments for the upcoming Calcutta Cup match
    Kolkata. Never had you down as an Imperialist.
    I know you're being snarky, but.....

    The Calcutta Cup was so named in 1879.

    Calcutta only officially became Kolkata in 2001. More than half a century after imperial rule ended.

    (Although, I'm never quite sure if Bombay Mix is Imperialist.... Presumably it was first mixed at the time of it being Bombay, so would be historically inaccurate to call it "Mumbai Mix". Unless of course, the mix you acquire IS actually mixed in Mumbai and exported...would that be Mumbai Bombay Mix???)
    My understanding is that Bombay is preferred by locals who aren't Hindu nationalists.
    I find the only people who use Mumbai in this country are non-Indians. I rarely see a British Indian say Mumbai.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Sean_F said:

    I see Iman Fadil, a Moroccan prostitute who was due to give evidence against Berlusconi, has died of radiation poisoning.


    Any of Berlusconi's mates specialists in radioactive poisonings?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,720
    Geoffrey Cox referred to Sabine Weyand as "my dear" during negotiations.

    https://twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status/1106826557446897665
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786

    Why has the BBC pixelated an image of the nz terrorist arriving in court? Is it some weird nz law?

    Good decision. Depicts him as the obscure pathetic nobody he actually is, rather than some preening superhero of the alt-right.
    If that's the reason, should we also pixelate Hitler etc? I totally agree with not showing his go-pro live stream footage, but not sure about this.
    Exactly. The world's a crap hole, pixelating it doesn't make that go away. We need to see and remember the faces of evil so as to better love the faces of good frankly
  • Why has the BBC pixelated an image of the nz terrorist arriving in court? Is it some weird nz law?

    Requirement of the court apparently. It hasn't stopped the Daily Mail publishing a large photo of him on their front page this morning while reserving the pixelated image to Page 3 and his court appearance.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,384

    Sean_F said:

    I see Iman Fadil, a Moroccan prostitute who was due to give evidence against Berlusconi, has died of radiation poisoning.


    Any of Berlusconi's mates specialists in radioactive poisonings?
    He and Putin get on very well.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,168
    Given Biden is clearly the Democrats best bet to beat Trump and to win the rustbelt swing states as the polls agree it is no surprise he leads the Democratic nomination polls. Biden is also said to be the one candidate Trump fears
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,653
    edited March 2019

    Geoffrey Cox referred to Sabine Weyand as "my dear" during negotiations.

    https://twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status/1106826557446897665

    Connelly is the best informed Brexit reporter out there. For ERG and DUP MPs desperately looking for a way out of the hole they’ve dug for themselves it makes for very uncomfortable reading. The only option is personal humiliation - and all for a Deal they despise. It couldn’t happen to finer people :-D

  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,628

    Starting point: I'm not an ERG-er. I hate May's Shit Deal. But I'm a pragmatist. Nothing better is going to come along. No Deal preparation was blocked. Let those responsible have their careers rot in hell for that, but the narrative is set; everything about No Deal is toxic. We would probably muddle through without most of the horrors ascribed, but any little thing that goes wrong will be blown out of all proportion. "OMG!!! We left the EU and now I CAN'T BUY GOOSEBERRIES IN APRIL!!!" That sort of horror. Or else it really could be truly horrible - and we lose 100,000s of thousands of top quality jobs.

    If you are an ERG MP though, you might continue your crusade, determined to hold out until the end. That comes with a very real risk of No Brexit rather than No Deal. Realisitically, there will never be another opportunity to Leave. Sure, you could be a standard-bearer for the Really Pissed Off. Point out that every British ill is down to us not having Brexited. In other words, become Nigel Farage. But some - many - will blame YOU for those ills still visiting us. Because unlike Farage, who was not an MP, you could have stopped them. If only you hadn't been such a purist twat. The rest of your life is a long time to have to watch generations of Juncker's successors, lording it over us. Thinking "If only....."

    It seems unfathomable that when you have worked yourself into a lather for decades over the ills of the EU, you are going to give up the chance to be finally parted from it. But we AREN'T parted from it, they will cry. We are a vassal of Europe. Well, up to a point. You think if this was Frexit, the French would honour Macron's Shit Deal until the end of time? Of course not.

    Just bloody well swallow your wretched pride, sign up to May's Deal, then oust May at the earliest. Work to elect somebody who commits to TRY to undertake the trade agreement, but will prepare for An Alternative if the EU deal proves to come with a price-tag that's too high. Yes, you are still going to be fighting the establishment every step of the way. Better that than being wound ever tighter into Brussel's clutches. That will be far, far worse.

    And a reminder. You stood as Conservative MPs. Not ERG MPs. Those who voted for you did so for many reasons, but for many it was because you had signed up to Leave the EU. You can't claim some great moral authority to implement the purest Brexit, when to do so would require commiting a fraud upon your voters.

    All very rational but you're someone who interacts with the real world.

    Now imagine you spend your time instead either in the Westminster bars or among the twatter ranters.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216

    Geoffrey Cox referred to Sabine Weyand as "my dear" during negotiations.

    https://twitter.com/tconnellyRTE/status/1106826557446897665

    Fascinating account - the Irish - and Irish journalists do seem to have been more on top of this than their British counterparts. If this account is accurate, then the issue appears to be a Downing St <>Cox communication problem, rather than UK<>EU.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,868

    Starting point: I'm not an ERG-er. I hate May's Shit Deal. But I'm a pragmatist. Nothing better is going to come along. No Deal preparation was blocked. Let those responsible have their careers rot in hell for that, but the narrative is set; everything about No Deal is toxic. We would probably muddle through without most of the horrors ascribed, but any little thing that goes wrong will be blown out of all proportion. "OMG!!! We left the EU and now I CAN'T BUY GOOSEBERRIES IN APRIL!!!" That sort of horror. Or else it really could be truly horrible - and we lose 100,000s of thousands of top quality jobs.

    If you are an ERG MP though, you might continue your crusade, determined to hold out until the end. That comes with a very real risk of No Brexit rather than No Deal. Realisitically, there will never be another opportunity to Leave. Sure, you could be a standard-bearer for the Really Pissed Off. Point out that every British ill is down to us not having Brexited. In other words, become Nigel Farage. But some - many - will blame YOU for those ills still visiting us. Because unlike Farage, who was not an MP, you could have stopped them. If only you hadn't been such a purist twat. The rest of your life is a long time to have to watch generations of Juncker's successors, lording it over us. Thinking "If only....."

    It seems unfathomable that when you have worked yourself into a lather for decades over the ills of the EU, you are going to give up the chance to be finally parted from it. But we AREN'T parted from it, they will cry. We are a vassal of Europe. Well, up to a point. You think if this was Frexit, the French would honour Macron's Shit Deal until the end of time? Of course not.

    Just bloody well swallow your wretched pride, sign up to May's Deal, then oust May at the earliest. Work to elect somebody who commits to TRY to undertake the trade agreement, but will prepare for An Alternative if the EU deal proves to come with a price-tag that's too high. Yes, you are still going to be fighting the establishment every step of the way. Better that than being wound ever tighter into Brussel's clutches. That will be far, far worse.

    And a reminder. You stood as Conservative MPs. Not ERG MPs. Those who voted for you did so for many reasons, but for many it was because you had signed up to Leave the EU. You can't claim some great moral authority to implement the purest Brexit, when to do so would require commiting a fraud upon your voters.

    The issue is that the ERG are chasing the ideological purity of opposition while being in the governing party. Honestly, Mrs May needs to step up and start withdrawing the whip and pledging to run candidates against them. At this rate we're going to remain anyway so at least we'll be rid of the bastards.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,676
    Britain Elects


    @britainelects
    4h4 hours ago
    More
    Westminster voting intention:

    LAB: 39% (+3)
    CON: 35% (-5)
    LDEM: 10% ()
    UKIP: 5% (-)

    via @Survation, 15 Mar
    Chgs. w/ 18 Feb

    Is this a 2018 or 2019 Poll?
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,007

    Scott_P said:
    At least these people are out doing something to promote the cause they believe in. I suppose it's easier to just snark from the internet though.
    Thank goodness PB was a snark free zone when the Peoples Vote mob 'only' managed several hundred thousand on their London march.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,217

    Britain Elects


    @britainelects
    4h4 hours ago
    More
    Westminster voting intention:

    LAB: 39% (+3)
    CON: 35% (-5)
    LDEM: 10% ()
    UKIP: 5% (-)

    via @Survation, 15 Mar
    Chgs. w/ 18 Feb

    Is this a 2018 or 2019 Poll?

    2019

    Oh Jeremy Corbyn
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,628


    It seems unfathomable that when you have worked yourself into a lather for decades over the ills of the EU, you are going to give up the chance to be finally parted from it. But we AREN'T parted from it, they will cry. We are a vassal of Europe. Well, up to a point. You think if this was Frexit, the French would honour Macron's Shit Deal until the end of time? Of course not.

    That's a good point.

    Things will tend to diverge or converge on their own momentum afterwards in any case.

    Not to mention the policies of various future governments will lead to divergence or convergence on various issues.

    The ERG seem obsessed with Brexit being an event rather than a process.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,676

    Britain Elects


    @britainelects
    4h4 hours ago
    More
    Westminster voting intention:

    LAB: 39% (+3)
    CON: 35% (-5)
    LDEM: 10% ()
    UKIP: 5% (-)

    via @Survation, 15 Mar
    Chgs. w/ 18 Feb

    Is this a 2018 or 2019 Poll?

    Has Britain Elects got this wrong?

    Looks suspiciously like a 2018 poll to me
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,772
    Great to see a thread header on US: thanks David.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,217

    Scott_P said:
    At least these people are out doing something to promote the cause they believe in. I suppose it's easier to just snark from the internet though.
    Thank goodness PB was a snark free zone when the Peoples Vote mob 'only' managed several hundred thousand on their London march.
    A 200 mile walk is a touch different to a mile or so in the middle of London.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,676
    Pulpstar said:

    Britain Elects


    @britainelects
    4h4 hours ago
    More
    Westminster voting intention:

    LAB: 39% (+3)
    CON: 35% (-5)
    LDEM: 10% ()
    UKIP: 5% (-)

    via @Survation, 15 Mar
    Chgs. w/ 18 Feb

    Is this a 2018 or 2019 Poll?

    2019

    Oh Jeremy Corbyn
    Cant see it on Survation site
  • Scott_P said:
    At least these people are out doing something to promote the cause they believe in. I suppose it's easier to just snark from the internet though.
    Thank goodness PB was a snark free zone when the Peoples Vote mob 'only' managed several hundred thousand on their London march.
    I'm not one to snark about people marching. I like a good march, had some good days in London with the FBU. I guess I get snarky about how only marches you agree with are worthwhile marches...
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,384

    Britain Elects


    @britainelects
    4h4 hours ago
    More
    Westminster voting intention:

    LAB: 39% (+3)
    CON: 35% (-5)
    LDEM: 10% ()
    UKIP: 5% (-)

    via @Survation, 15 Mar
    Chgs. w/ 18 Feb

    Is this a 2018 or 2019 Poll?

    Has Britain Elects got this wrong?

    Looks suspiciously like a 2018 poll to me
    2019.
  • NormNorm Posts: 1,251
    https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1106868581428576256

    Not quite sure how you can leave your Association? Whatever looks like there might be one less to support the Deal.
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,621
    Pulpstar said:

    Scott_P said:
    At least these people are out doing something to promote the cause they believe in. I suppose it's easier to just snark from the internet though.
    Thank goodness PB was a snark free zone when the Peoples Vote mob 'only' managed several hundred thousand on their London march.
    A 200 mile walk is a touch different to a mile or so in the middle of London.
    50 people is a touch different to 700,000. What are we comparing?

    I guess you could multiply the two and compare miles walked to assess impact or effort or something.

    10,000 versus 700,000.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Scott_P said:
    I infer from that that neither Italy or Poland is going to block an extension if requested.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,483

    Britain Elects


    @britainelects
    4h4 hours ago
    More
    Westminster voting intention:

    LAB: 39% (+3)
    CON: 35% (-5)
    LDEM: 10% ()
    UKIP: 5% (-)

    via @Survation, 15 Mar
    Chgs. w/ 18 Feb

    Is this a 2018 or 2019 Poll?

    I'd rather like to know how many D/K's there were and if their votes are distributed, how.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,631
    edited March 2019

    As I've backed Biden, I'm content for him to run.

    F1 pre-race ramble will likely go up this evening.

    Pleased to see one bet come off in the F1.

    Now for one of my favourite days of the year, last day of the Six Nations. As good an excuse as any to spend eight hours in the pub! Cheers to all PBrs, and may the best teams win!
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,772
    HYUFD said:

    Given Biden is clearly the Democrats best bet to beat Trump and to win the rustbelt swing states as the polls agree it is no surprise he leads the Democratic nomination polls. Biden is also said to be the one candidate Trump fears

    Biden is certainly the one Trump has been quizzing his aides about. I think in part this is due to the 'marlarky' speech Biden did late in the last campaign - i.e. Trump and his ideas were "a bunch of marlarky". It was belting, punchy stuff and way better than anything Clinton could do.

    Apparently his aides have calmed him down by saying there is little chance of Biden actually getting through the primary, as Dems have moved so far left.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,007
    Pulpstar said:

    Scott_P said:
    At least these people are out doing something to promote the cause they believe in. I suppose it's easier to just snark from the internet though.
    Thank goodness PB was a snark free zone when the Peoples Vote mob 'only' managed several hundred thousand on their London march.
    A 200 mile walk is a touch different to a mile or so in the middle of London.
    Yep, Remainy types snark about the former & Brexity types the latter. I suppose that's a kind of consistency.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,676
    Seen this now. Pity Mail had to report that!!!

    There are two polls in this morning’s papers – Survation in the Mail and YouGov in the Times.

    Survation have topline figures of CON 35%(-5), LAB 39%(+3), LDEM 10%(nc), UKIP 5%(nc). Fieldwork was on Friday, and changes are from mkid-February.
    YouGov have topline figures of CON 35%(-5), LAB 31%(nc), LDEM 12%(+1), UKIP 6%(+3). Fieldwork was Thursday to Friday, and changes are from the start of March.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,772
    Keep an eye on Mayor Pete (Buttigieg).

    Long long shot, but he's good. Very good.

    As I posted last night, could be a big surprise dark horse if gets to the debates.

    Axelrod is a fan.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    edited March 2019
    Boles to TIG (despite what he says?) Or can he just not be arsed to get on the train to Grantham every weekend?

    Could this become a trend (Yes, Grieve, I'm looking at you....)
  • Harris_TweedHarris_Tweed Posts: 1,337
    edited March 2019
    malcolmg said:
    He’s an interesting one.. ERG foot soldier not usually given to independent thought (unless it’s rewriting the trade rules for lemons or history of the Marshall Plan). Suggests to me that a large proportion of ERG are preparing to swing behind Deal (although not so far DK’s neighbour and usual minder OPatz)
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,631
    Pulpstar said:

    Scott_P said:
    At least these people are out doing something to promote the cause they believe in. I suppose it's easier to just snark from the internet though.
    Thank goodness PB was a snark free zone when the Peoples Vote mob 'only' managed several hundred thousand on their London march.
    A 200 mile walk is a touch different to a mile or so in the middle of London.
    I wonder how many of those who have signed up for this one realise just how much physical and mental effort is going to be required to walk 200 miles?
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    malcolmg said:
    He’s an interesting one.. ERG foot soldier not usually given to independent thought (unless it’s rewriting the trade rules for lemons or history of the Marshall Plan). Suggests to me that a large proportion of ERG are preparing to swing behind Deal (although not so far DK’s neighbour and usual minder OPatz)
    They seem split.

    Split probably isn’t good enough for Theresa May.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216

    Keep an eye on Mayor Pete (Buttigieg).

    Long long shot, but he's good. Very good.

    As I posted last night, could be a big surprise dark horse if gets to the debates.

    Axelrod is a fan.

    As Mr Meeks pointed out earlier Andrew Yang is also an interesting candidate - possibly its time for the gerontocracy to step aside?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,772

    Boles to TIG (despite what he says?) Or can he just not be arsed to get on the train to Grantham every weekend?

    Could this become a trend (Yes, Grieve, I'm looking at you....)
    Stamford is very pretty though. They film Charles Dickens TV shows there.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,617
    Barnesian said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Scott_P said:
    At least these people are out doing something to promote the cause they believe in. I suppose it's easier to just snark from the internet though.
    Thank goodness PB was a snark free zone when the Peoples Vote mob 'only' managed several hundred thousand on their London march.
    A 200 mile walk is a touch different to a mile or so in the middle of London.
    50 people is a touch different to 700,000. What are we comparing?

    I guess you could multiply the two and compare miles walked to assess impact or effort or something.

    10,000 versus 700,000.
    Anything that makes Farage look a marginalised twat is fine by me.....
  • Harris_TweedHarris_Tweed Posts: 1,337
    On topic...

    Biden will be an interesting test of whether the US is yearning for a grown up after four years of Trump, or still fears a Continuity Clinton Washington Insider. He could fit both roles OK!
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,617
    My money is on Farage's march making it about 15 miles before it is canned for "road traffic reasons".
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,871
    Norm said:

    https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1106868581428576256

    Not quite sure how you can leave your Association? Whatever looks like there might be one less to support the Deal.

    If he isn't member of the association then he isn't a party member ( unless HQ allows him to join centrally) and surely membership is a requirement for the whip
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 62,772
    Pulpstar said:

    Scott_P said:
    that's an hour or so done... are we nearly there yet?

    https://twitter.com/andreajenkyns/status/1106861660315234304
    Kate's canvass trainers look more suitable for the walk than Andrea's but she'll need to have several pairs to let them dry at the end of each day. Hiking boots would be best if you're planning on only using one pair of shoes.
    :lol:

    These geniuses have inadvertently created the perfect metaphor for their Brexit.

    It will be easy!!! Promise. A gentle 200 mile stroll through sunny spring streets lined with cheering union jack wavers.

    Reality: gale force winds, driving rain, hard, deserted roads and empty, sodden, muddy fields.

    A classic.
  • brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    edited March 2019

    On topic...

    Biden will be an interesting test of whether the US is yearning for a grown up after four years of Trump, or still fears a Continuity Clinton Washington Insider. He could fit both roles OK!

    The US? Who knows. But the American left has gone full Momentum. They hate the Democratic Party machine almost as much as they hate Trump. Quite possible the crazies coalesce around another candidate to stop him in the primaries.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,814
    Mr. Sandpit, cheers, bit annoyed with myself for not hedging it though, which I seriously considered and decided against.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,868
    Good to see McLaren make it into Q3 today. Hopefully a sign of things to come, especially with top level technical staff still to join.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    Scott_P said:

    At least these people are out doing something to promote the cause they believe in.

    https://twitter.com/MSmithsonPB/status/1106858425516986374

    And now I shall go out and do something to promote a cause I believe in. I shall purchase refreshments for the upcoming Calcutta Cup match
    Kolkata. Never had you down as an Imperialist.
    You don't unilaterally rename pronouns.

    Would you go to a bar and order a Mumbai Saphire and Tonic?
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,628

    Pulpstar said:

    Scott_P said:
    that's an hour or so done... are we nearly there yet?

    https://twitter.com/andreajenkyns/status/1106861660315234304
    Kate's canvass trainers look more suitable for the walk than Andrea's but she'll need to have several pairs to let them dry at the end of each day. Hiking boots would be best if you're planning on only using one pair of shoes.
    :lol:

    These geniuses have inadvertently created the perfect metaphor for their Brexit.

    It will be easy!!! Promise. A gentle 200 mile stroll through sunny spring streets lined with cheering union jack wavers.

    Reality: gale force winds, driving rain, hard, deserted roads and empty, sodden, muddy fields.

    A classic.
    Many of the roads will not be deserted of 60mph vehicles passing by at a few feet of distance.
  • Harris_TweedHarris_Tweed Posts: 1,337

    malcolmg said:
    He’s an interesting one.. ERG foot soldier not usually given to independent thought (unless it’s rewriting the trade rules for lemons or history of the Marshall Plan). Suggests to me that a large proportion of ERG are preparing to swing behind Deal (although not so far DK’s neighbour and usual minder OPatz)
    They seem split.

    Split probably isn’t good enough for Theresa May.
    Yeah.. she needs pretty much 100pc. I guess if most did swing behind, it might increase the pressure on some in Labour not to be the ones enabling No Deal, but they haven’t been bothered so far, and last week’s votes probably give them cover to say they’ve done their bit.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,168

    HYUFD said:

    Given Biden is clearly the Democrats best bet to beat Trump and to win the rustbelt swing states as the polls agree it is no surprise he leads the Democratic nomination polls. Biden is also said to be the one candidate Trump fears

    Biden is certainly the one Trump has been quizzing his aides about. I think in part this is due to the 'marlarky' speech Biden did late in the last campaign - i.e. Trump and his ideas were "a bunch of marlarky". It was belting, punchy stuff and way better than anything Clinton could do.

    Apparently his aides have calmed him down by saying there is little chance of Biden actually getting through the primary, as Dems have moved so far left.
    Sanders or Warren are the most likely nominees in my view yes but Biden their best bet for the general
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,621

    On topic...

    Biden will be an interesting test of whether the US is yearning for a grown up after four years of Trump, or still fears a Continuity Clinton Washington Insider. He could fit both roles OK!

    I'm on Biden for president at 20/1. He'd be my biggest winner - except for Kasich at 130/1 which I have as a hedge if the Democrats pick Sanders and the Republicans go for a likeable centrist like Biden. Trump would be my biggest loser.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,631
    MaxPB said:

    Good to see McLaren make it into Q3 today. Hopefully a sign of things to come, especially with top level technical staff still to join.

    Indeed. Looks like you and I called it pretty much right yesterday. Shame about Williams though, hopefully they can get themselves sorted out soon.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,814
    Mr. Max, I was checking last year's result and was surprised to see Alonso got 5th for them last year.

    I don't expect that to be repeated.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,483
    IanB2 said:

    Norm said:

    https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1106868581428576256

    Not quite sure how you can leave your Association? Whatever looks like there might be one less to support the Deal.

    If he isn't member of the association then he isn't a party member ( unless HQ allows him to join centrally) and surely membership is a requirement for the whip
    Could be a member of an Association elsewhere, though. Does he have to be a member of the one where he's MP?
  • Harris_TweedHarris_Tweed Posts: 1,337
    IanB2 said:

    Norm said:

    https://twitter.com/GuidoFawkes/status/1106868581428576256

    Not quite sure how you can leave your Association? Whatever looks like there might be one less to support the Deal.

    If he isn't member of the association then he isn't a party member ( unless HQ allows him to join centrally) and surely membership is a requirement for the whip
    I suspect like with abstaining ministers last week, there’s an element of “come and have a go if you think you’re hard enough, Theresa”. And I suspect the answer is that she’s not.

  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,007

    Pulpstar said:

    Scott_P said:
    that's an hour or so done... are we nearly there yet?

    https://twitter.com/andreajenkyns/status/1106861660315234304
    Kate's canvass trainers look more suitable for the walk than Andrea's but she'll need to have several pairs to let them dry at the end of each day. Hiking boots would be best if you're planning on only using one pair of shoes.
    :lol:

    These geniuses have inadvertently created the perfect metaphor for their Brexit.

    It will be easy!!! Promise. A gentle 200 mile stroll through sunny spring streets lined with cheering union jack wavers.

    Reality: gale force winds, driving rain, hard, deserted roads and empty, sodden, muddy fields.

    A classic.
    Many of the roads will not be deserted of 60mph vehicles passing by at a few feet of distance.
    A lack of care of their adherents could also fit into that metaphor..
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,868
    edited March 2019
    Sandpit said:

    MaxPB said:

    Good to see McLaren make it into Q3 today. Hopefully a sign of things to come, especially with top level technical staff still to join.

    Indeed. Looks like you and I called it pretty much right yesterday. Shame about Williams though, hopefully they can get themselves sorted out soon.
    Shamelessly stolen from Reddit

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  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,483

    Pulpstar said:

    Scott_P said:
    that's an hour or so done... are we nearly there yet?

    https://twitter.com/andreajenkyns/status/1106861660315234304
    Kate's canvass trainers look more suitable for the walk than Andrea's but she'll need to have several pairs to let them dry at the end of each day. Hiking boots would be best if you're planning on only using one pair of shoes.
    :lol:

    These geniuses have inadvertently created the perfect metaphor for their Brexit.

    It will be easy!!! Promise. A gentle 200 mile stroll through sunny spring streets lined with cheering union jack wavers.

    Reality: gale force winds, driving rain, hard, deserted roads and empty, sodden, muddy fields.

    A classic.
    Many of the roads will not be deserted of 60mph vehicles passing by at a few feet of distance.
    A lack of care of their adherents could also fit into that metaphor..
    No-one sane would walk along beside the A1!
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,814
    Anyway, I've got to go. Plan is to put up the pre-race ramble this evening.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,247

    Keep an eye on Mayor Pete (Buttigieg).

    Long long shot, but he's good. Very good.

    As I posted last night, could be a big surprise dark horse if gets to the debates.

    Axelrod is a fan.

    His odds reflect his chances, but he is one of the very few long shots who are perhaps worth a dabble, at very long odds.

    That there isn’t another zero on Gabbard’s price continues to confound me.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,042

    My money is on Farage's march making it about 15 miles before it is canned for "road traffic reasons".

    They could march to Hartlepool and then catch a Grand Central service to King's Cross.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,217
    edited March 2019

    Pulpstar said:

    Scott_P said:
    that's an hour or so done... are we nearly there yet?

    https://twitter.com/andreajenkyns/status/1106861660315234304
    Kate's canvass trainers look more suitable for the walk than Andrea's but she'll need to have several pairs to let them dry at the end of each day. Hiking boots would be best if you're planning on only using one pair of shoes.
    :lol:

    These geniuses have inadvertently created the perfect metaphor for their Brexit.

    It will be easy!!! Promise. A gentle 200 mile stroll through sunny spring streets lined with cheering union jack wavers.

    Reality: gale force winds, driving rain, hard, deserted roads and empty, sodden, muddy fields.

    A classic.
    Many of the roads will not be deserted of 60mph vehicles passing by at a few feet of distance.
    If they'd planned it properly the route from Tickhill to Oldcotes/Langold would look something like this:

    https://twitter.com/Pulpstar/status/1106884675589554177

    Instead of heading straight down the A60 ! I suspect plenty of other parts are similiar, Google maps doesn't pick out the best walking routes...
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 54,631

    My money is on Farage's march making it about 15 miles before it is canned for "road traffic reasons".

    Have they actually organised this properly with authorities at all? The maps they published were shortest distances between two points from Google maps, along a lot of very unsuitable roads. I doubt if anyone’s done so much as a recce along the whole route, and those involved understand how difficult it’s going to be. And I hope they’ve got a nurse with a few needles and bandages for the blisters.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,247

    HYUFD said:

    Given Biden is clearly the Democrats best bet to beat Trump and to win the rustbelt swing states as the polls agree it is no surprise he leads the Democratic nomination polls. Biden is also said to be the one candidate Trump fears

    Biden is certainly the one Trump has been quizzing his aides about. I think in part this is due to the 'marlarky' speech Biden did late in the last campaign - i.e. Trump and his ideas were "a bunch of marlarky". It was belting, punchy stuff and way better than anything Clinton could do.

    Apparently his aides have calmed him down by saying there is little chance of Biden actually getting through the primary, as Dems have moved so far left.
    Believing your own propaganda isn’t necessarily the best way to map out an election strategy...

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