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Not truly, but it doesn't sound as good in a breaking news flash.Philip_Thompson said:
Junior Minister is not Cabinet though surely?kle4 said:
Must be a junior minister. Wiki's already put an end date for her post.Philip_Thompson said:
Who? Didn't know she existed/was in the Cabinet.Slackbladder said:Edward Mayes
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Sarah Newton has resigned from the Cabinet BBC News reports.
All this is clearly confusing how people should write about it - the wiki summary makes it look like the government wanted to reject no deal and she wanted no deal.(yes it was originally the government's motion but it was no longer after amendment)
In March 2019, she resigned from this role to enable her to vote against the Government's motion to reject no-deal Brexit.0 -
Why have Farage and JRM gone down? Aren't they just doing what you'd expect them to do?rcs1000 said:
Here's a list of people who have gone down in my estimation through this process:kle4 said:Farage apparently saying the WA is not just worse, but 'far worse' than being members of the EU. He just loves being in the EU doesn't he?
Nigel Farage
JRM
People who don't understand the difference between the WA and the end state
Labour MPs from Leave constituencies
People who didn't read the section of the WA agreement regarding the Northern Irish border
People who have gone up:
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I quite like the Weathersoon's pubs. Sure, they're a bit too well lit, but the food and the beer are decent, and the prices (usually thanks to Eastern European immigration...) low.
But Tim is a bit of an arse.
I remember he railing against the EU, on the basis that if we left, then we could have free trade, just like the rest of the world did*. I would have loved to have quizzed him on the US-China free trade agreement. Or the Japan-Canada one. Or the Australia-Brazil one.
He's clearly not an idiot. But he's also clearly a complete bulshitter, who has an idea and then assumes the world will fit in with his preconceptions.
* He could have said "we could follow the examples of Switzerland, South Korea and Singapore to forge new trade agreements", but I think he actually believed that outside the EU, all the other countries traded without tariffs.0 -
My assumption - which I now realise was incorrect - was that they wanted us to leave the EU.AndyJS said:
Why have Farage and JRM gone down? Aren't they just doing what you'd expect them to do?rcs1000 said:
Here's a list of people who have gone down in my estimation through this process:kle4 said:Farage apparently saying the WA is not just worse, but 'far worse' than being members of the EU. He just loves being in the EU doesn't he?
Nigel Farage
JRM
People who don't understand the difference between the WA and the end state
Labour MPs from Leave constituencies
People who didn't read the section of the WA agreement regarding the Northern Irish border
People who have gone up:
Stephen Lloyd0 -
Time for a long delay and a new PM. Bye bye May, you were crap and won't be missed.0
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In fairness, change the gender and change 'PM' to 'LOTO' and we ask much the same question about Corbyn.bigjohnowls said:
Why is she still PM?Floater said:May fecks up yet again
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She is crap for surebigjohnowls said:
But better than Labour
Still, you might get your wish
You can't say you were not warned.0 -
I said only yesterday that the moronic thickos would only work this out 72 hours too late.Slackbladder said:Penny seems to be dropping for a few of the ERG.
They’ve surpassed themselves.0 -
The sanest course now is for the EU to decline to allow an extension, at which point TMs deal will pass. This phase needs to come to an end.0
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May just voted No Deal
Frying Pan or the fire BREXIT is off
#CorbynsCustomsUnion or GE20190 -
I assume you don't include the three Labour MPs who voted for May's deal?rcs1000 said:
Here's a list of people who have gone down in my estimation through this process:kle4 said:Farage apparently saying the WA is not just worse, but 'far worse' than being members of the EU. He just loves being in the EU doesn't he?
Nigel Farage
JRM
People who don't understand the difference between the WA and the end state
Labour MPs from Leave constituencies
People who didn't read the section of the WA agreement regarding the Northern Irish border
People who have gone up:
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Actually it's what they've not passed that's the problem.Casino_Royale said:
I said only yesterday that the moronic thickos would only work this out 72 hours too late.Slackbladder said:Penny seems to be dropping for a few of the ERG.
They’ve surpassed themselves.0 -
Why would it? Brexiteers would say, "You can't blackmail us - just revoke Article 50."algarkirk said:The sanest course now is for the EU to decline to allow an extension, at which point TMs deal will pass. This phase needs to come to an end.
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AmenMarqueeMark said:
The anti-semite Corbyn will NEVER have any authority.bigjohnowls said:.@JeremyCorbyn now has more authority than @Theresa_May and is the PM-in-waiting.
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No one wants the job. And while I don't believe the polls, you cannot be sure that a GE would give you the result you want.bigjohnowls said:
The transcript seems to be that it was none of his business because it happened before he was involved.twistedfirestopper3 said:
I haven't seen that, but if it's true, then Steele should be held to account.Floater said:off topic - I know there are big issues at play tonght but....
WTF
https://order-order.com/2019/03/13/lord-steel-admits-cyril-smith-confessed/0 -
Why would I vote for someone who's done more to ensure Britain remains in the EU than Kenneth Clarke?TGOHF said:
40+%twistedfirestopper3 said:
Farage will be loving this, it gives him a reason to get up in the morning. His Brexit party could do well. Say what you like about him, and there is a lot to say, but that boy knows his audience.Sunil_Prasannan said:
MEP salary!kle4 said:Farage apparently saying the WA is not just worse, but 'far worse' than being members of the EU. He just loves being in the EU doesn't he?
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Even when he's driving up the Mall as the Queens 14th Prime Minister?MarqueeMark said:
The anti-semite Corbyn will NEVER have any authority.bigjohnowls said:.@JeremyCorbyn now has more authority than @Theresa_May and is the PM-in-waiting.
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Soubry now calling the government out on its contempt for parliament0
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What is the government's objection to the Spelman No No Deal motion when they are offering a free vote on the other motion sayng the same thing?0
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Everyone who voted for Brexit in 2016 did more to propel us towards closer integration with the EU than Ken Clarke ever did.rcs1000 said:
Why would I vote for someone who's done more to ensure Britain remains in the EU than Kenneth Clarke?TGOHF said:
40+%twistedfirestopper3 said:
Farage will be loving this, it gives him a reason to get up in the morning. His Brexit party could do well. Say what you like about him, and there is a lot to say, but that boy knows his audience.Sunil_Prasannan said:
MEP salary!kle4 said:Farage apparently saying the WA is not just worse, but 'far worse' than being members of the EU. He just loves being in the EU doesn't he?
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No no - now we need to stay in - imagine the reaction when our EU bill goes up and the remainers have to run the country. Lol.algarkirk said:The sanest course now is for the EU to decline to allow an extension, at which point TMs deal will pass. This phase needs to come to an end.
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Just wait until they want MV3 and Bercow says no!Casino_Royale said:
I said only yesterday that the moronic thickos would only work this out 72 hours too late.Slackbladder said:Penny seems to be dropping for a few of the ERG.
They’ve surpassed themselves.0 -
Equally given that he is benefiting from migration (see your first paragraph) is he bright enough to see that he may be shooting himself in the foot...rcs1000 said:I quite like the Weathersoon's pubs. Sure, they're a bit too well lit, but the food and the beer are decent, and the prices (usually thanks to Eastern European immigration...) low.
But Tim is a bit of an arse.
I remember he railing against the EU, on the basis that if we left, then we could have free trade, just like the rest of the world did*. I would have loved to have quizzed him on the US-China free trade agreement. Or the Japan-Canada one. Or the Australia-Brazil one.
He's clearly not an idiot. But he's also clearly a complete bulshitter, who has an idea and then assumes the world will fit in with his preconceptions.
* He could have said "we could follow the examples of Switzerland, South Korea and Singapore to forge new trade agreements", but I think he actually believed that outside the EU, all the other countries traded without tariffs.0 -
Yes, add 5-7 Labour waverers and we're home. But it's too late now.Big_G_NorthWales said:Adam Boulton. Only option for ERG is to back TM deal
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75 of them needed to work this out. While some seem to have worked it out have all the people required worked it out yet?Casino_Royale said:
I said only yesterday that the moronic thickos would only work this out 72 hours too late.Slackbladder said:Penny seems to be dropping for a few of the ERG.
They’ve surpassed themselves.0 -
The only explanation is that they intended to back it and then subsequently hide behind the weasel wording of its second part. When their ruse was spotted and removed (by just four votes) whips panicked and tried to get the whole thing voted down.FF43 said:What is the government's objection to the Spelman No No Deal motion when they are offering a free vote on the other motion during the same thing?
So no surprise that MPs are now deeply unhappy and raising their concerns as points of order.0 -
You know what?Jonathan said:May, she is an utter disaster.
I’m not shy of criticising May’s political skills and leadership style but I’m getting a little bit tired of this.
She’s the only one who’s worked night and day to try and bring a deal about, and hasn’t given up or moved on trying to deliver on the Brexit mandate regardless of the obstacles or difficulties. And she’s had to put up with a remarkable amount of shit (from everyone) to do this when hardly anyone (perhaps no one) has had any better ideas to how to execute it.
She’s earned my respect for her tenacity, determination and sense of duty if nothing else. So, no, I won’t dump it all on her.0 -
They could have made it 26th June just to make it all nice and circular!IanB2 said:My money is on another weasel worded motion from government tomorrow that members will have to try and amend again.
Edit/Speaker now reading it out.
One off extension to 30th June
Notes that EU likely to require purpose and any longer extension requires the EU elections0 -
I'm not sure, but I can't recall Martin being that keen on ending FoM.eek said:
Equally given that he is benefiting from migration (see your first paragraph) is he bright enough to see that he may be shooting himself in the foot...rcs1000 said:I quite like the Weathersoon's pubs. Sure, they're a bit too well lit, but the food and the beer are decent, and the prices (usually thanks to Eastern European immigration...) low.
But Tim is a bit of an arse.
I remember he railing against the EU, on the basis that if we left, then we could have free trade, just like the rest of the world did*. I would have loved to have quizzed him on the US-China free trade agreement. Or the Japan-Canada one. Or the Australia-Brazil one.
He's clearly not an idiot. But he's also clearly a complete bulshitter, who has an idea and then assumes the world will fit in with his preconceptions.
* He could have said "we could follow the examples of Switzerland, South Korea and Singapore to forge new trade agreements", but I think he actually believed that outside the EU, all the other countries traded without tariffs.0 -
The credible deal is the one Labour took to Brussels last month which got the seal of approval from the EU negotiators as a positive basis for a soft Brexit. They have had a credible deal all along.
Spreadshit Phil 13.3.19 appears to be advising TM to get on with speaking to Jezza0 -
Unfortunately I fear that while the EU is more prepared for us than no deal, they won't want to risk that we still don't pass the deal in those circumstances and despite comments will let us extend to faff about.algarkirk said:The sanest course now is for the EU to decline to allow an extension, at which point TMs deal will pass. This phase needs to come to an end.
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While that's true, if you were a Labour MP in a Leave seat, why waste political capital backing the deal if it's going to lose by 100+ votes?Philip_Thompson said:
Though the MV2 would still have fell even if every single ERG member had backed it.ydoethur said:
That horse has not only bolted, the stable door and most of the wall went with him.Big_G_NorthWales said:Adam Boulton. Only option for ERG is to back TM deal
They are utter fools.
It needed to be close enough that people could think they were doing the right thing for the country by backing it or abstaining.0 -
Mr 1138,
"Even when he's driving up the Mall as the Queens 14th Prime Minister?"
Nope, the great and the good will refuse to accept it. Once you negate a democratic election, all bets are off.0 -
We will not get that extension. At next week's summit they will tell us to swivel.IanB2 said:My money is on another weasel worded motion from government tomorrow that members will have to try and amend again.
Edit/Speaker now reading it out.
One off extension to 30th June
Notes that EU likely to require purpose and any longer extension requires the EU elections
So, Brexit week then dawns. May will bleat on about my deal or no deal. Her deal will fall. No deal will once again be voted against. She will be forced to revoke as her final act as PM. I think I predicted this a while back...0 -
I certainly won't be voting Conservative next time around. Not even the threat of Corbyn is enough. Doubt I'll be voting Brexit Party but I'll most likely abstain. What's the point in voting any more?kjohnw said:My vote for tories has gone forever . I will vote brexit party. The tories have betrayed the voters
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If there was to be MV3, and frankly I think that should not happen as the deal is dead, I hope at least it is soon. An extension, for any length of time, will just result in months more of nothing and a last minute panic again.0
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The same could be said of Tory remainers.rcs1000 said:
While that's true, if you were a Labour MP in a Leave seat, why waste political capital backing the deal if it's going to lose by 100+ votes?Philip_Thompson said:
Though the MV2 would still have fell even if every single ERG member had backed it.ydoethur said:
That horse has not only bolted, the stable door and most of the wall went with him.Big_G_NorthWales said:Adam Boulton. Only option for ERG is to back TM deal
They are utter fools.
It needed to be close enough that people could think they were doing the right thing for the country by backing it or abstaining.0 -
They had to do their jobs? What a shame.AndyJS said:0 -
It most certainly is not all TM fault.Casino_Royale said:
You know what?Jonathan said:May, she is an utter disaster.
I’m not shy of criticising May’s political skills and leadership style but I’m getting a little bit tired of this.
She’s the only one who’s worked night and day to try and bring a deal about, and hasn’t given up or moved on trying to deliver on the Brexit mandate regardless of the obstacles or difficulties. And she’s had to put up with a remarkable amount of shit (from everyone) to do this when hardly anyone (perhaps no one) has had any better ideas to how to execute it.
She’s earned my respect for her tenacity, determination and sense of duty if nothing else. So, no, I won’t dump it all on her.
I agree with your comments and put this mess at the door of the 498 mps who voted to invoke A50 with a default no deal outcome0 -
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Hard to take 'Labour' and 'credible' in the same sentence!!bigjohnowls said:The credible deal is the one Labour took to Brussels last month which got the seal of approval from the EU negotiators as a positive basis for a soft Brexit. They have had a credible deal all along.
Spreadshit Phil 13.3.19 appears to be advising TM to get on with speaking to Jezza0 -
I used to think he was an intelligent and reasoned debater on defending unfashionable traditions and principles that others dared not to touch, and he was overlooked for ministerial office.Sean_F said:
Dickhead's the word. I used to think he was an amusing oddball.Casino_Royale said:
JRM has turned out to be a real dickhead.GIN1138 said:
Unfortunately JRM and the rest of the DUP/ERG have become drunk on their own publicity and have probably blown Brexit forever.Gallowgate said:JRM is rattled.
I was wrong.0 -
The result of the last national vote to take away May's majority for Brexit seems to have been effective.kyf_100 said:
I certainly won't be voting Conservative next time around. Not even the threat of Corbyn is enough. Doubt I'll be voting Brexit Party but I'll most likely abstain. What's the point in voting any more?kjohnw said:My vote for tories has gone forever . I will vote brexit party. The tories have betrayed the voters
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Certainly if the EU wants a deal to pass, that's one way to force it.algarkirk said:The sanest course now is for the EU to decline to allow an extension, at which point TMs deal will pass. This phase needs to come to an end.
I wonder how the vote would go, say on the 26th, knowing that it really was deal or no-deal, end of the road.
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Meanwhile, at my businesses Brexit meeting tomorrow I will confirm that we have to assume no deal and act accordingly0
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I'm getting very confused - how did the Spelman vote do that?AndyJS said:
Sigh, and in come the amendments, particularly on the third point.williamglenn said:0 -
You thinking of TM?Awb683 said:
Hard to take 'Labour' and 'credible' in the same sentence!!bigjohnowls said:The credible deal is the one Labour took to Brussels last month which got the seal of approval from the EU negotiators as a positive basis for a soft Brexit. They have had a credible deal all along.
Spreadshit Phil 13.3.19 appears to be advising TM to get on with speaking to Jezza0 -
May is a decent person but a poor leader. She made life incredibly hard for herself after losing a GE which brought about the double calamity of a) losing her majority and b) bringing the DUP/NI into the equation (the EU and the Remainers have played the border issue like a fiddle).Casino_Royale said:
You know what?Jonathan said:May, she is an utter disaster.
I’m not shy of criticising May’s political skills and leadership style but I’m getting a little bit tired of this.
She’s the only one who’s worked night and day to try and bring a deal about, and hasn’t given up or moved on trying to deliver on the Brexit mandate regardless of the obstacles or difficulties. And she’s had to put up with a remarkable amount of shit (from everyone) to do this when hardly anyone (perhaps no one) has had any better ideas to how to execute it.
She’s earned my respect for her tenacity, determination and sense of duty if nothing else. So, no, I won’t dump it all on her.
I still think her deal will get through though. Because for all the bitching and abuse no-one else in parliament has any deal to offer. Her's is the only deal in the room.0 -
Some of the pubs are very good.eek said:
I took my parents to the Rose Tree in Durham on Saturday for dinner and it was far better than I expected.AndyJS said:
Which pub would you recommend?_Anazina_ said:
Martin is an odious individual and his pubs are absolute holes.CD13 said:Mr Moonbeam,
"Beeb have got the Weatherspoons bloke on. Everyone he has spoken to (i.e. daytime drinkers) wants No Deal, doncha know?"
You can't beat Wetherspoons for a cheap meal and a pint. A man with an eye for business and his finger on the pulse.0 -
Mr B2,
"Soubry now calling the government out on its contempt for parliament."
Surely she should be calling the MPs out on their contempt for the people? They think they've won, but I suspect an MP's job just got a lot harder in most areas of England.0 -
It never can be deal or no deal, because we have the right to revoke unilaterally.Andrew said:
Certainly if the EU wants a deal to pass, that's one way to force it.algarkirk said:The sanest course now is for the EU to decline to allow an extension, at which point TMs deal will pass. This phase needs to come to an end.
I wonder how the vote would go, say on the 26th, knowing that it really was deal or no-deal, end of the road.0 -
How is that doing any harm? The Tory remainers must now the moment of truth is approaching.AndyJS said:0 -
I never went that far, but I thought he was thoughtful. But I remember him making up constitutional norms after he failed to oust May, and looking like a pathetic little baby.Casino_Royale said:
I used to think he was an intelligent and reasoned debater on defending unfashionable traditions and principles that others dared not to touch, and he was overlooked for ministerial office.Sean_F said:
Dickhead's the word. I used to think he was an amusing oddball.Casino_Royale said:
JRM has turned out to be a real dickhead.GIN1138 said:
Unfortunately JRM and the rest of the DUP/ERG have become drunk on their own publicity and have probably blown Brexit forever.Gallowgate said:JRM is rattled.
I was wrong.0 -
"But, I never realised that there was not a majority for No Deal."kle4 said:
Just wait until they want MV3 and Bercow says no!Casino_Royale said:
I said only yesterday that the moronic thickos would only work this out 72 hours too late.Slackbladder said:Penny seems to be dropping for a few of the ERG.
They’ve surpassed themselves.0 -
How? The government have given them all the votes they want? They are in the process of successfully over-turning the biggest democratic vote in the history of the country. What more do they want?IanB2 said:
Anna Soubry should just reside to the Srangers Bar and find happy oblivion in the gin cabinet, as she's winning.0 -
Who would want to be PM next ? Keeping us in after the nation says leave.0
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Spelman Amendment
Noes outside Gov't parties
Lady Hermon
Ronnie Campbell
Stephen Hepburn
Kate Hoey
Kelvin Hopkins
John Mann
Dennis Skinner
Graham Stringer
Tory Ayes
Guto Bebb
Kenneth Clarke
Justine Greening
Dominic Grieve
Sam Gyimah
Phillip Lee
Antoinette Sandbach
Caroline Spelman
Ed Vaizey
Independent Ayes (All Tiggers voted Aye)
Ian Austin
Frank Field
Stephen lloyd
John Woodcock
Jared O'Mara
Fiona Onasanya !!
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"My, she is tenacious, isn't she?"Casino_Royale said:
You know what?Jonathan said:May, she is an utter disaster.
I’m not shy of criticising May’s political skills and leadership style but I’m getting a little bit tired of this.
She’s the only one who’s worked night and day to try and bring a deal about, and hasn’t given up or moved on trying to deliver on the Brexit mandate regardless of the obstacles or difficulties. And she’s had to put up with a remarkable amount of shit (from everyone) to do this when hardly anyone (perhaps no one) has had any better ideas to how to execute it.
She’s earned my respect for her tenacity, determination and sense of duty if nothing else. So, no, I won’t dump it all on her.
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There'd be some very conflicted Labour MPs......Andrew said:
Certainly if the EU wants a deal to pass, that's one way to force it.algarkirk said:The sanest course now is for the EU to decline to allow an extension, at which point TMs deal will pass. This phase needs to come to an end.
I wonder how the vote would go, say on the 26th, knowing that it really was deal or no-deal, end of the road.0 -
Currently a lady giant being interviewed on Sky News0
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Jeremy Corbyn says from tomorrow he will hold meetings with MPs from across the House of Commons to draft a Brexit deal that could pass
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That's probably true.tlg86 said:
The same could be said of Tory remainers.rcs1000 said:
While that's true, if you were a Labour MP in a Leave seat, why waste political capital backing the deal if it's going to lose by 100+ votes?Philip_Thompson said:
Though the MV2 would still have fell even if every single ERG member had backed it.ydoethur said:
That horse has not only bolted, the stable door and most of the wall went with him.Big_G_NorthWales said:Adam Boulton. Only option for ERG is to back TM deal
They are utter fools.
It needed to be close enough that people could think they were doing the right thing for the country by backing it or abstaining.
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Lol lol @ Spelman tabling her amendment, standing up in the House to say she no longer wanted to move it, then voting for it anyway.Pulpstar said:Spelman Amendment
Noes outside Gov't parties
Lady Hermon
Ronnie Campbell
Stephen Hepburn
Kate Hoey
Kelvin Hopkins
John Mann
Dennis Skinner
Graham Stringer
Tory Ayes
Guto Bebb
Kenneth Clarke
Justine Greening
Dominic Grieve
Sam Gyimah
Phillip Lee
Antoinette Sandbach
Caroline Spelman
Ed Vaizey
Independent Ayes (All Tiggers voted Aye)
Ian Austin
Frank Field
Stephen lloyd
John Woodcock
Jared O'Mara
Fiona Onasanya !!0 -
So will the ERG and DUP now cave in on MV3?0
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That 3rd point only states that there will be EU elections, not what any extension will target as it's final result. And I suspect can kicking / time wasting until hell freezes over isn't an option.kle4 said:
I'm getting very confused - how did the Spelman vote do that?AndyJS said:
Sigh, and in come the amendments, particularly on the third point.williamglenn said:0 -
I am listening to a Tory on TV saying that we will leave the EU on March 29th in the same sentence as saying we are seeking an article 50 extension.
Seriously. This actually happened. Even Andrew Neil was shocked at the stupidity of it.0 -
And in other news Liverpool take lead v Bayern ( away goal )0
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Nope, they will propose an amendment that in the event of no deal being passed and no extension forthcoming that the government obey the house and revoke A50MarqueeMark said:
There'd be some very conflicted Labour MPs......Andrew said:
Certainly if the EU wants a deal to pass, that's one way to force it.algarkirk said:The sanest course now is for the EU to decline to allow an extension, at which point TMs deal will pass. This phase needs to come to an end.
I wonder how the vote would go, say on the 26th, knowing that it really was deal or no-deal, end of the road.0 -
Antoinette Sandbach.Slackbladder said:Currently a lady giant being interviewed on Sky News
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My gut instinct isn’t usually far wrong.Fenster said:
May is a decent person but a poor leader. She made life incredibly hard for herself after losing a GE which brought about the double calamity of a) losing her majority and b) bringing the DUP/NI into the equation (the EU and the Remainers have played the border issue like a fiddle).Casino_Royale said:
You know what?Jonathan said:May, she is an utter disaster.
I’m not shy of criticising May’s political skills and leadership style but I’m getting a little bit tired of this.
She’s the only one who’s worked night and day to try and bring a deal about, and hasn’t given up or moved on trying to deliver on the Brexit mandate regardless of the obstacles or difficulties. And she’s had to put up with a remarkable amount of shit (from everyone) to do this when hardly anyone (perhaps no one) has had any better ideas to how to execute it.
She’s earned my respect for her tenacity, determination and sense of duty if nothing else. So, no, I won’t dump it all on her.
I still think her deal will get through though. Because for all the bitching and abuse no-one else in parliament has any deal to offer. Her's is the only deal in the room.
My gut told me it was all over as soon as that exit poll flashed up.
And I had the same feeling the election would go wrong within minutes of the manifesto launch.0 -
Benjamin Kentish
@BenKentish
Source says Tory whips are desperately trying to find defence minister Tobias Ellwood, who just broke three-line whip and abstained. He’s due to give adjournment debate speech shortly but whips unable to find him.
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How? May promised MPs a series of straightforward choices, then tried to muddy the water with the wording of today's motion. And looks like it is up to similar tricks tomorrow.GIN1138 said:
How? The government have given them all the votes they want? They are in the process of successfully over-turning the biggest democratic vote in the history of the country. What more do they want?IanB2 said:
Anna Soubry should just reside to the Srangers Bar and find happy oblivion in the gin cabinet, as she's winning.0 -
3 line whip
Wow Ministers including 4 Cabinet - Rudd, Perry, Stephen Hammond, Buckland, Clark, Mundell, Ellwood, Gauke, Richard Harrington, Burt, James, Milton - all abstained on the main motion0 -
More advisory irrelevance..bigjohnowls said:Jeremy Corbyn says from tomorrow he will hold meetings with MPs from across the House of Commons to draft a Brexit deal that could pass
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What of it? They got what they wanted, no deal vote passed, and no one 'has' to follow the whip if prepared to face the consequences, which they had repeatedly claimed they were.tlg86 said:0 -
Yvette Cooper would make a fine LOTO.tlg86 said:0 -
Tories joining Aye rebels for main motion :
Richard Benyon
Nick Boles
Jonathan Djanogly
George Freeman
Oliver Letwin
Paul Masterton
Sarah Newton
Mark Pawsey
Antoinette Sandbach
Nicholas Soames
Labour Noes for main motion
Stephen Hepburn
Kate Hoey
Indpendent Noes
Lady Hermon0 -
What price MV3 passing with TM offering the carrot of a 2nd referendum?0
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No.eek said:
75 of them needed to work this out. While some seem to have worked it out have all the people required worked it out yet?Casino_Royale said:
I said only yesterday that the moronic thickos would only work this out 72 hours too late.Slackbladder said:Penny seems to be dropping for a few of the ERG.
They’ve surpassed themselves.0 -
Is the motion passed tonight legally binding on the Givernment? If the EU say no to an extension and May’s deal is voted down again, is May legally obliged to revoke A50?0
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He has resigned presumablyAramintaMoonbeamQC said:
Benjamin Kentish
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Source says Tory whips are desperately trying to find defence minister Tobias Ellwood, who just broke three-line whip and abstained. He’s due to give adjournment debate speech shortly but whips unable to find him.
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Clearly they are concerned about their careers once this is over.kle4 said:
What of it? They got what they wanted, no deal vote passed, and no one 'has' to follow the whip if prepared to face the consequences, which they had repeatedly claimed they were.tlg86 said:0 -
I think for all May deserves huge amounts of crap for her actions it is a bit rich of parliament to complaint about that given their unreasonableness and unwillingness to make positive choices about things, just say no to things, have been a huge cause of trouble.Sean_F said:0 -
Theresa May has obviously decided not to sack ministers who vote against the government, but doing so damages her authority and credibility even if it's the sensible thing to do in these particular circumstances.0
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I'm no Conservative but I respect her diligence, her integrity and recognise her earnest desire to do the best (as she sees it) for Party and country.Big_G_NorthWales said:
It most certainly is not all TM fault.Casino_Royale said:You know what?
I’m not shy of criticising May’s political skills and leadership style but I’m getting a little bit tired of this.
She’s the only one who’s worked night and day to try and bring a deal about, and hasn’t given up or moved on trying to deliver on the Brexit mandate regardless of the obstacles or difficulties. And she’s had to put up with a remarkable amount of shit (from everyone) to do this when hardly anyone (perhaps no one) has had any better ideas to how to execute it.
She’s earned my respect for her tenacity, determination and sense of duty if nothing else. So, no, I won’t dump it all on her.
I agree with your comments and put this mess at the door of the 498 mps who voted to invoke A50 with a default no deal outcome
As for "blame", yes, there's plenty to go round but I start with May failing to include and accept voices from outside her Party and Government. Leaving the EU is a national project and required a range of skills, expertise and opinion from across the political spectrum but instead she secreted the whole process within the Conservative Party and spent her spare time making jibes at Labour and talking about "uniting the country".
As for the nonsense about the 498 MPs and A50, the No Deal outcome isn't our default, it's within A50 itself - you can argue the 24 month time limit is absurd and that's valid but the fact of leaving without a Deal or an agreed extension is within the A50 process. We couldn't have invalidated the No Deal option - could we have prepared better?
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I can't see a majority for that, quite.RochdalePioneers said:
Nope, they will propose an amendment that in the event of no deal being passed and no extension forthcoming that the government obey the house and revoke A50MarqueeMark said:
There'd be some very conflicted Labour MPs......Andrew said:
Certainly if the EU wants a deal to pass, that's one way to force it.algarkirk said:The sanest course now is for the EU to decline to allow an extension, at which point TMs deal will pass. This phase needs to come to an end.
I wonder how the vote would go, say on the 26th, knowing that it really was deal or no-deal, end of the road.0 -
The £ is rising happily0
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Even if they have worked it out, that doesn't necessarily incentivise them to vote for the deal.Casino_Royale said:
No.eek said:
75 of them needed to work this out. While some seem to have worked it out have all the people required worked it out yet?Casino_Royale said:
I said only yesterday that the moronic thickos would only work this out 72 hours too late.Slackbladder said:Penny seems to be dropping for a few of the ERG.
They’ve surpassed themselves.0