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Still a sell IMO at that price.Richard_Nabavi said:Spread now 237-247
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Could we end up in the inadvertent and unfortunate position tonight whereby the deal just squeaks through but with the DUP unanimously against?
That might enable Brexit, but where would that leave the Union and the confidence and supply deal?
You'd still think it unlikely this will get through post Cox, but I think most Brexiteers now recognise reality and that it's either this deal or something considerably worse from their perspective.
I really despair. I feel we are going to end up with something even more "worst of both worlds" than May's deal - absolute vassalage, which was ultimately the reason I held my nose and reluctantly voted Remain, in the hope of preventing that.0 -
A few dozen? Nothing has changed since January. 100+ should vote against.Sandpit said:
If DUP vote against then a few dozen Tory MPs will follow their lead.IanB2 said:BBC BREAKING: DUP likely to vote against
A deal that passed with the DUP opposed would have them tabling a vote of no confidence tomorrow.
Maybe 3 less as there are 3 less headbanging Remainers being called Tories now.0 -
Personally and politically that must have been incredibly hard for Cox. It’s now time for the ERG to grow up. What are the chances?0
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Despite what they might say now, I really doubt most of the "Labour Independents" would be stupid enough to put down their names as supporting a Tory government, if they want any hopes of holding their seats.Sean_F said:
I don't think the DUP switching would be sufficient to bring down the government, now that there are so many independents.Sandpit said:
If DUP vote against then a few dozen Tory MPs will follow their lead.IanB2 said:BBC BREAKING: DUP likely to vote against
A deal that passed with the DUP opposed would have them tabling a vote of no confidence tomorrow.
The only exception I think would be Ian Austin (as well as John Woodcock and Ivan Lewis, like last time).0 -
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On the contrary, there’s now three fewer Conservatives. Unless of course TIG decide to vote with the government? If they abstain, the government would fall with the DUP opposed.Sean_F said:
I don't think the DUP switching would be sufficient to bring down the government, now that there are so many independents.Sandpit said:
If DUP vote against then a few dozen Tory MPs will follow their lead.IanB2 said:BBC BREAKING: DUP likely to vote against
A deal that passed with the DUP opposed would have them tabling a vote of no confidence tomorrow.0 -
She's utterly out of her depth?GarethoftheVale2 said:As a pragmatic leaver, who accepts we won't get a perfect Brexit, I really despair. How can May have stood up on the podium with Juncker and not made sure that Cox would sign this off first?
If the deal goes down in flames, the only way I can see forward is to get an extension and then May stands down. A quick turnaround Con leadership election and then maybe a GE in May.0 -
Game over for May then. Its remain in a few months.
Like others I'm baffled Cox's view was not confirmed prior to an announcement. What a waste of time, and the EU will be furious when the deal is hugely defeated again.0 -
In the end, you always do better to do the right thing rather than the easy thing. Geoffrey Cox will not regret having given the opinion he did this morning.SouthamObserver said:Personally and politically that must have been incredibly hard for Cox. It’s now time for the ERG to grow up. What are the chances?
It's not his fault if others decide not to follow his advice.0 -
If I were a Tory MP I would vote against since Cox's statement.Bob__Sykes said:Could we end up in the inadvertent and unfortunate position tonight whereby the deal just squeaks through but with the DUP unanimously against?
That might enable Brexit, but where would that leave the Union and the confidence and supply deal?
You'd still think it unlikely this will get through post Cox, but I think most Brexiteers now recognise reality and that it's either this deal or something considerably worse from their perspective.
I really despair. I feel we are going to end up with something even more "worst of both worlds" than May's deal - absolute vassalage, which was ultimately the reason I held my nose and reluctantly voted Remain, in the hope of preventing that.
There must be many actual Tory MPs who think similarly.0 -
Certainly the former. Not sure we get to the latter.kle4 said:Game over for May then. Its remain in a few months.
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I thought no deal was better than a bad deal?SouthamObserver said:Personally and politically that must have been incredibly hard for Cox. It’s now time for the ERG to grow up. What are the chances?
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And so the ERG follow the DUP lead, saying they can't vote for the deal0
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Good call for those who sold at 266 earlier. Sadly not me this time.Richard_Nabavi said:Spread now 237-247
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The Deal has barely had a pulse since it was "Chequers".Sandpit said:
That sounds like a reasonable series of events.GarethoftheVale2 said:As a pragmatic leaver, who accepts we won't get a perfect Brexit, I really despair. How can May have stood up on the podium with Juncker and not made sure that Cox would sign this off first?
If the deal goes down in flames, the only way I can see forward is to get an extension and then May stands down. A quick turnaround Con leadership election and then maybe a GE in May.
Mrs May should have realised the deal was a dodo back in January, I can’t see any progress now with her remaining in place.
But nothing else has a detectable pulse.0 -
When is MV3 then ?
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Geoffrey Cox once again shows Cambridge educated lawyers are the best with unimpeachable integrity.0
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ERG will split. Question is how many diehards?0
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1. I’m not sure the EU 27 sees it that way, and it is after all the 27 that must agree.Richard_Nabavi said:
They have two reasons to agree to an extension:brokenwheel said:
Did you not hear Juncker? There will be no more renegotiation, so there is no basis for the EU to accept an extension.edmundintokyo said:
Parliament has a vote on whether they want an extension instead of No Deal. They do. TMay dutifully shuffles off to Brussels and asks the 27 if they will agree to this rather than inconveniencing their citizens and businesses with No Deal, and potentially further bollocksing up an already fragile recovery. They do.Chris said:I don't understand the view that it's a choice between the New Deal and No Brexit.
No Deal remains the legal default.
What do people see as the "no Brexit" route away from that? A referendum? Revocation? Given the situation within the Tory party, how would either be achieved?
At the end of the extension period, repeat.
At some point in the future, possibly after a new election, something may shift enough to make the deal, a referendum or revocation an option. But until that happens, just keep extending.
1. They'd be hit badly by the chaos of us crashing out with no deal. At the very least they'd want some more time to put in place further mitigation measures (they haven't done much yet). Anyway, disaster deferred is always preferable for a politician than disaster next week.
2. Extension for a 'political event' (GE or referendum) could well lead to us not leaving after all, which is by far their preferred outcome.
2. But they need parliament / government to support a referendum / GE before the 29th. Not sure I see that happening.
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https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1105443867799834624
I suspect the clearer it becomes that the deal isn't passing, the more of these guys will go back to the No column. No point sticking their neck out to change the third digit of the majority against.0 -
Gloriously, yes. Lobs it in like a verbal grenade. I think others have posted the link. The timing, the absolute disdain, the slight elongation of the final "t" at the end of the word, it is utter perfection. Danny Dyer's a wonderful actor and this is his finest performance.SeanT said:
Take it you’re referring to Danny Dyer. Did he say TWAT twice?!OnlyLivingBoy said:
I would so buy that book. In an otherwise sorry process the second "twat" provided a rare source of unbridled joy as well as perfectly summarising the whole shit show.El_Capitano said:
That will be for Volume Two. Volume One will be called THE SECOND "TWAT".SeanT said:
When they come to write the Curious History of the Brexit That Never Happened, a good left field title would beEl_Capitano said:Tim Shipman has deleted the codpiece tweet.
TIM SHIPMAN HAS DELETED THE CODPIECE TWEET0 -
I was tempted to buy at 278 just before Cox's statement came out. Despite not having a high opinion of her, I didn't believe May could be that arrogant to sign a deal with such fanfare without Cox signing off on it first.Sandpit said:
Good call for those who sold at 266 earlier. Sadly not me this time.Richard_Nabavi said:Spread now 237-247
So glad I didn't.0 -
It's turning out to be a centrist split. We lefties are trying hard not to laugh - not least as the kaleidoscope of British politics is literally changing every day, so we could easily be despairing or rejoicing tomorrow.Stereotomy said:
Haven't TIG said they want to run in every seat? That already means they've responded to the Lib Dems' friendliness by spitting in their faces. Not a good sign for the prospect of a coalitionmr-claypole said:One comment on the election front - there is a very big opening for a stop brexit coalition from which one of the main parties dies.
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It was nice to think for at least a few hours that something might have been agreed today. But Cox's view is the nail in the coffin for any hopes of that today.
What a shambles. May might as well not turn up for the vote, we all know the outcome.0 -
Seems the stories that he was leant on to be upbeat about what she achieved were true.twistedfirestopper3 said:
It's crazy. What was she thinking? She trips off to the EU, has a presser with them telling us how she's got it sorted but without really getting the nod from her AG! Is she deluded or incompetent?Sandpit said:Wow, that was not what everyone was expecting from Cox this morning, but fair play to him for playing a straight bat. I can’t see how the deal goes through tonight now, and the PM’s political career probably dies with it.
May has lost all perspective. She needs to walk away.0 -
Why would anyone sane want to be Tory leader?AlastairMeeks said:Geoffrey Cox is positioned very well as a Brexiter man of integrity who argued in favour of the deal.
That might be rather handy for him in any coming leadership election...0 -
Why? DUP are against, enough ERGers are against. This is dead. Why vote in favour.rottenborough said:ERG will split. Question is how many diehards?
Expect 400+ Nays again. There's more life in John Cleese's Norwegian Blue.0 -
Bridgen believes the EU is as venal as he is.0
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Wonder what Lord A makes of it all?AlastairMeeks said:Unnamed, but I'd trust Lord Ashcroft on this:
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Heidi Allen said she would vote with the government on a VONC. If so, I think they'd scrape home, even with the DUP opposed. I'd expect the Labour TIG to abstain.Sandpit said:
On the contrary, there’s now three fewer Conservatives. Unless of course TIG decide to vote with the government? If they abstain, the government would fall with the DUP opposed.Sean_F said:
I don't think the DUP switching would be sufficient to bring down the government, now that there are so many independents.Sandpit said:
If DUP vote against then a few dozen Tory MPs will follow their lead.IanB2 said:BBC BREAKING: DUP likely to vote against
A deal that passed with the DUP opposed would have them tabling a vote of no confidence tomorrow.0 -
He may prefer to return to his day job quite soon, where he was making £400K a year iirc.Cyclefree said:
Why would anyone sane want to be Tory leader?AlastairMeeks said:Geoffrey Cox is positioned very well as a Brexiter man of integrity who argued in favour of the deal.
That might be rather handy for him in any coming leadership election...0 -
Well only solution now is for a GE. But will it solve anything.
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More than not. 20+ were expected even with an assumption Cox changed his viewrottenborough said:ERG will split. Question is how many diehards?
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Cox up.0
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The idea that TIG are actually going to run against the Lib Dems in Oxford West & Abingdon, when the Greens stepped aside last time, is for the birds.NickPalmer said:
It's turning out to be a centrist split. We lefties are trying hard not to laugh - not least as the kaleidoscope of British politics is literally changing every day, so we could easily be despairing or rejoicing tomorrow.Stereotomy said:
Haven't TIG said they want to run in every seat? That already means they've responded to the Lib Dems' friendliness by spitting in their faces. Not a good sign for the prospect of a coalitionmr-claypole said:One comment on the election front - there is a very big opening for a stop brexit coalition from which one of the main parties dies.
Note also that Anna Soubry is speaking at the Lib Dem spring conference this weekend.0 -
As of this moment there's no TIG candidate for Newport West, and, as posted earlier, Anna Soubry is down to feature at the LibDems Spring Conference.NickPalmer said:
It's turning out to be a centrist split. We lefties are trying hard not to laugh - not least as the kaleidoscope of British politics is literally changing every day, so we could easily be despairing or rejoicing tomorrow.Stereotomy said:
Haven't TIG said they want to run in every seat? That already means they've responded to the Lib Dems' friendliness by spitting in their faces. Not a good sign for the prospect of a coalitionmr-claypole said:One comment on the election front - there is a very big opening for a stop brexit coalition from which one of the main parties dies.
Just saying.
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At all crucial moments in Brexit, May has got in the mix. Taken control. And fucked up.kle4 said:Game over for May then. Its remain in a few months.
Like others I'm baffled Cox's view was not confirmed prior to an announcement. What a waste of time, and the EU will be furious when the deal is hugely defeated again.
We are where we are because of May.0 -
At the moment it looks like the situation slowly, but steadily, becomes worse with May as PM, but it would rapidly become worse after she leaves. I find it hard to imagine a scenario that improves the political situation. What a mess!Richard_Nabavi said:
And what do you think they should then do? Appoint Boris as PM? Hammond? What about the party membership?SeanT said:When this Deal fails, which it will, then the Cabinet has to summon up the cullions and just tell TMay to go. If she refuses, drag her out by her stupid kitten heels. FFS. She is now an obstacle to all this, and her absurd red lines at the beginning are the reason for all this.
Jesus. What a waste of time, energy and money.
Whilst I'm sure most MPs and party members would be delighted to see the back of her as PM, her departure would not be a solution to the immediate problem.0 -
Well indeed. What benefit in looking like they wavered now?Stereotomy said:https://twitter.com/alexwickham/status/1105443867799834624
I suspect the clearer it becomes that the deal isn't passing, the more of these guys will go back to the No column. No point sticking their neck out to change the third digit of the majority against.0 -
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Yes, you would assume that those who voted against no deal by voting for the Spelman amendment would do so again.AndyJS said:The Commons is still going to vote against No Deal tomorrow I assume?
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No, we are where we are because Brexit is a really, really, really bad idea.MarqueeMark said:At all crucial moments in Brexit, May has got in the mix. Taken control. And fucked up.
We are where we are because of May.0 -
Have to say, reading the few paragraphs of his advice that I have seen posted here, he seems to have done a very honorable job of being honest, rather than political, in his interpretation of the agreements. That, too, should stand him in good stead.Cyclefree said:
Why would anyone sane want to be Tory leader?AlastairMeeks said:Geoffrey Cox is positioned very well as a Brexiter man of integrity who argued in favour of the deal.
That might be rather handy for him in any coming leadership election...0 -
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Yes. And not enough believe the same or dont care about it. So their panic is pointless. The deal has lost, again. If they have no solutions, quit.williamglenn said:0 -
https://youtu.be/_s-JaRCnOo4?t=56Cyclefree said:
Why would anyone sane want to be Tory leader?AlastairMeeks said:Geoffrey Cox is positioned very well as a Brexiter man of integrity who argued in favour of the deal.
That might be rather handy for him in any coming leadership election...
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They might still vote in favour of an extension on Thursday, even if the EU has said it can't happen.Sandpit said:
It looks like they’re going to vote against every specific option put in front of them. No deal could yet still happen by default.AndyJS said:The Commons is still going to vote against No Deal tomorrow I assume?
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Because a bad Brexit is better than no Brexit at all?Philip_Thompson said:
Why? DUP are against, enough ERGers are against. This is dead. Why vote in favour.rottenborough said:ERG will split. Question is how many diehards?
Expect 400+ Nays again. There's more life in John Cleese's Norwegian Blue.0 -
He made essentially the same argument last time.Scott_P said:0 -
Spoilers: No.Scott_P said:0 -
Ozzy seems to be suggesting that the Ultras have played a blinder and just need to hold their nerve for No Deal to be upon us. I think he's right.Scott_P said:0 -
I don't think the "EU" can say either way for an extension, it is down to each individual country; though I suspect a 'first' extension would pass.AndyJS said:
They might still vote in favour of an extension on Thursday, even if the EU has said it can't happen.Sandpit said:
It looks like they’re going to vote against every specific option put in front of them. No deal could yet still happen by default.AndyJS said:The Commons is still going to vote against No Deal tomorrow I assume?
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It's always been about politics, rather than law.Scott_P said:0 -
er, what happened to Cooper/Boles/Letwin?Stark_Dawning said:
Ozzy seems to be suggesting that the Ultras have played a blinder and just need to hold their nerve for No Deal to be upon us. I think he's right.Scott_P said:0 -
Absolutely. May may be shit, but the idea that someone else (who?) would magically have achieved a triumphant Brexit is just bollocks.Scott_P said:
No, we are where we are because Brexit is a really, really, really bad idea.MarqueeMark said:At all crucial moments in Brexit, May has got in the mix. Taken control. And fucked up.
We are where we are because of May.0 -
No its not. No deal is better than a bad deal and no Brexit is better than a bad Brexit.brendan16 said:
Because a bad Brexit is better than no Brexit at all?Philip_Thompson said:
Why? DUP are against, enough ERGers are against. This is dead. Why vote in favour.rottenborough said:ERG will split. Question is how many diehards?
Expect 400+ Nays again. There's more life in John Cleese's Norwegian Blue.
But its moot. The deal is dead. It won't win. Once its clear it won't win, why compromise on your principles and back a dead deal futilely given it won't win even if you do?0 -
Looks like May will be spending plenty of time in that new Snowdon cottage this spring.Stereotomy said:
Spoilers: No.Scott_P said:0 -
None of this would have happened if the 2011 Greece crisis had been handled better. They cooked the books to enter the Euro and France and Germany turned a blind eye to it.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/greek-debt-crisis-goldman-sachs-could-be-sued-for-helping-country-hide-debts-when-it-joined-euro-10381926.html0 -
It seems....unconventional for the government's top lawyer to argue that MPs should ignore the legal aspects when making their decision.0
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Any sightings of Pickfords' vans near Admiralty Arch? Asking for a friend.0
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Because a loss by 200 would bring down the government, whereas a loss by 60 would not?Philip_Thompson said:
No its not. No deal is better than a bad deal and no Brexit is better than a bad Brexit.brendan16 said:
Because a bad Brexit is better than no Brexit at all?Philip_Thompson said:
Why? DUP are against, enough ERGers are against. This is dead. Why vote in favour.rottenborough said:ERG will split. Question is how many diehards?
Expect 400+ Nays again. There's more life in John Cleese's Norwegian Blue.
But its moot. The deal is dead. It won't win. Once its clear it won't win, why compromise on your principles and back a dead deal futilely given it won't win even if you do?0 -
There's more than enough stubborn bast***s which will just vote NO to any deal, because thats what they want.Stark_Dawning said:
Ozzy seems to be suggesting that the Ultras have played a blinder and just need to hold their nerve for No Deal to be upon us. I think he's right.Scott_P said:0 -
Not true the favourite never always gets it e.g. May and Howard both won as favourite. Plus Portillo and Heseltine were beaten by candidates to the right of them, Boris already is the candidate of the right and is also much more charismatic and polls better than Davis does0
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It’s stark for the ERG and DUP - humiliate themselves or lose Brexit. Are they patriots, or not?0
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Fair play to Cox. He comes out of this with his integrity intact.0
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The government needs to be brought down. That's the only chance of a change. Until May goes nothing will change.Anorak said:
Because a loss by 200 would bring down the government, whereas a loss by 60 would not?Philip_Thompson said:
No its not. No deal is better than a bad deal and no Brexit is better than a bad Brexit.brendan16 said:
Because a bad Brexit is better than no Brexit at all?Philip_Thompson said:
Why? DUP are against, enough ERGers are against. This is dead. Why vote in favour.rottenborough said:ERG will split. Question is how many diehards?
Expect 400+ Nays again. There's more life in John Cleese's Norwegian Blue.
But its moot. The deal is dead. It won't win. Once its clear it won't win, why compromise on your principles and back a dead deal futilely given it won't win even if you do?0 -
You mean like it brought down the government last time?Anorak said:
Because a loss by 200 would bring down the government, whereas a loss by 60 would not?Philip_Thompson said:
No its not. No deal is better than a bad deal and no Brexit is better than a bad Brexit.brendan16 said:
Because a bad Brexit is better than no Brexit at all?Philip_Thompson said:
Why? DUP are against, enough ERGers are against. This is dead. Why vote in favour.rottenborough said:ERG will split. Question is how many diehards?
Expect 400+ Nays again. There's more life in John Cleese's Norwegian Blue.
But its moot. The deal is dead. It won't win. Once its clear it won't win, why compromise on your principles and back a dead deal futilely given it won't win even if you do?
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If the Deal is dead then Brexit is dead, the Remainer majority in Parliament will either ensure Brexit is cancelled or we only leave staying in the single market and Customs Union which is staying in the EU in all but name anywayPhilip_Thompson said:
No its not. No deal is better than a bad deal and no Brexit is better than a bad Brexit.brendan16 said:
Because a bad Brexit is better than no Brexit at all?Philip_Thompson said:
Why? DUP are against, enough ERGers are against. This is dead. Why vote in favour.rottenborough said:ERG will split. Question is how many diehards?
Expect 400+ Nays again. There's more life in John Cleese's Norwegian Blue.
But its moot. The deal is dead. It won't win. Once its clear it won't win, why compromise on your principles and back a dead deal futilely given it won't win even if you do?0 -
But no deal is not better than Mrs May's deal.Philip_Thompson said:
No its not. No deal is better than a bad deal and no Brexit is better than a bad Brexit.brendan16 said:
Because a bad Brexit is better than no Brexit at all?Philip_Thompson said:
Why? DUP are against, enough ERGers are against. This is dead. Why vote in favour.rottenborough said:ERG will split. Question is how many diehards?
Expect 400+ Nays again. There's more life in John Cleese's Norwegian Blue.
But its moot. The deal is dead. It won't win. Once its clear it won't win, why compromise on your principles and back a dead deal futilely given it won't win even if you do?
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So be it.HYUFD said:
If the Deal is dead then Brexit is dead, the Remainer majority in Parliament will either ensure Brexit is cancelled or we only leave staying in the single market and Customs Union which is staying in the EU in all but name anywayPhilip_Thompson said:
No its not. No deal is better than a bad deal and no Brexit is better than a bad Brexit.brendan16 said:
Because a bad Brexit is better than no Brexit at all?Philip_Thompson said:
Why? DUP are against, enough ERGers are against. This is dead. Why vote in favour.rottenborough said:ERG will split. Question is how many diehards?
Expect 400+ Nays again. There's more life in John Cleese's Norwegian Blue.
But its moot. The deal is dead. It won't win. Once its clear it won't win, why compromise on your principles and back a dead deal futilely given it won't win even if you do?0 -
A wee distraction from the clusterfuck.
https://twitter.com/flaviblePolitic/status/1105442730203844613
Looks like Ross 'SNPgain' Thomson may not deserve his nickname. We'll just stick with 'touchy' then.0 -
He might be, or as ever with Osborne, he might be conniving to his own ends. If I were a Remainer wanting the ERG to shoot themselves (and Brexit) in the foot, his editorial is exactly what I'd write.Stark_Dawning said:
Ozzy seems to be suggesting that the Ultras have played a blinder and just need to hold their nerve for No Deal to be upon us. I think he's right.Scott_P said:0 -
I think you're misreading how febrile the situation is.brokenwheel said:
You mean like it brought down the government last time?Anorak said:
Because a loss by 200 would bring down the government, whereas a loss by 60 would not?Philip_Thompson said:
No its not. No deal is better than a bad deal and no Brexit is better than a bad Brexit.brendan16 said:
Because a bad Brexit is better than no Brexit at all?Philip_Thompson said:
Why? DUP are against, enough ERGers are against. This is dead. Why vote in favour.rottenborough said:ERG will split. Question is how many diehards?
Expect 400+ Nays again. There's more life in John Cleese's Norwegian Blue.
But its moot. The deal is dead. It won't win. Once its clear it won't win, why compromise on your principles and back a dead deal futilely given it won't win even if you do?0 -
Was May favourite when Cameron announced his resignation? From memory Boris was and it was only after Gove stabbed Boris in the front that May became favourite.HYUFD said:Not true the favourite never always gets it e.g. May and Howard both won as favourite. Plus Portillo and Heseltine were beaten by candidates to the right of them, Boris already is the candidate of the right and is also much more charismatic and polls better than Davis does
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Poor Labour chap that is up against him - terrible mismatch.SandyRentool said:Fair play to Cox. He comes out of this with his integrity intact.
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Yes it is. No Brexit is and No Deal is so quite frankly I don't care much what happens next. I was willing to back it last night and this morning but frankly May's deal dies today.Martin_Kinsella said:
But no deal is not better than Mrs May's deal.Philip_Thompson said:
No its not. No deal is better than a bad deal and no Brexit is better than a bad Brexit.brendan16 said:
Because a bad Brexit is better than no Brexit at all?Philip_Thompson said:
Why? DUP are against, enough ERGers are against. This is dead. Why vote in favour.rottenborough said:ERG will split. Question is how many diehards?
Expect 400+ Nays again. There's more life in John Cleese's Norwegian Blue.
But its moot. The deal is dead. It won't win. Once its clear it won't win, why compromise on your principles and back a dead deal futilely given it won't win even if you do?0 -
Spread on SPIN minimum reached (at least a local minimum). Climbing now.
I cashed out my sell one point off the bottom and have now bought. Suspect it will climb for as long as Cox can keep talking.0 -
Cox says vote for the deal.
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Just seen this:
Kantar Public voting intention polls (7th March – 11th March 2019) show Conservative 41% (+1 vs Feb 2019), Labour 31% (-4 vs Feb 2019), Lib Dems 8% (-2), UKIP 6% (+3), SNP 5% (+1), Green 6% (+2), Other 2% (-2).0 -
Oh Labour...david_herdson said:0 -
You were willing to back it? Why?Philip_Thompson said:
Yes it is. No Brexit is and No Deal is so quite frankly I don't care much what happens next. I was willing to back it last night and this morning but frankly May's deal dies today.Martin_Kinsella said:
But no deal is not better than Mrs May's deal.Philip_Thompson said:
No its not. No deal is better than a bad deal and no Brexit is better than a bad Brexit.brendan16 said:
Because a bad Brexit is better than no Brexit at all?Philip_Thompson said:
Why? DUP are against, enough ERGers are against. This is dead. Why vote in favour.rottenborough said:ERG will split. Question is how many diehards?
Expect 400+ Nays again. There's more life in John Cleese's Norwegian Blue.
But its moot. The deal is dead. It won't win. Once its clear it won't win, why compromise on your principles and back a dead deal futilely given it won't win even if you do?0 -
He said it last time too.TGOHF said:Cox says vote for the deal.
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Well, by definition, the person who wins will have been favourite at some point.Philip_Thompson said:
Was May favourite when Cameron announced his resignation? From memory Boris was and it was only after Gove stabbed Boris in the front that May became favourite.HYUFD said:Not true the favourite never always gets it e.g. May and Howard both won as favourite. Plus Portillo and Heseltine were beaten by candidates to the right of them, Boris already is the candidate of the right and is also much more charismatic and polls better than Davis does
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I thought the changes last night meant something. I was wrong.Stereotomy said:
You were willing to back it? Why?Philip_Thompson said:
Yes it is. No Brexit is and No Deal is so quite frankly I don't care much what happens next. I was willing to back it last night and this morning but frankly May's deal dies today.Martin_Kinsella said:
But no deal is not better than Mrs May's deal.Philip_Thompson said:
No its not. No deal is better than a bad deal and no Brexit is better than a bad Brexit.brendan16 said:
Because a bad Brexit is better than no Brexit at all?Philip_Thompson said:
Why? DUP are against, enough ERGers are against. This is dead. Why vote in favour.rottenborough said:ERG will split. Question is how many diehards?
Expect 400+ Nays again. There's more life in John Cleese's Norwegian Blue.
But its moot. The deal is dead. It won't win. Once its clear it won't win, why compromise on your principles and back a dead deal futilely given it won't win even if you do?0 -
https://twitter.com/propertyspot/status/1105450567437090822?s=21Gallowgate said:
Oh Labour...david_herdson said:0 -
I believe the preferred form is 'Oh Jeremy'.Gallowgate said:
Oh Labour...david_herdson said:0 -
Maybe Theresa will have another election if her deal gets thrown out?TheWhiteRabbit said:Just seen this:
Kantar Public voting intention polls (7th March – 11th March 2019) show Conservative 41% (+1 vs Feb 2019), Labour 31% (-4 vs Feb 2019), Lib Dems 8% (-2), UKIP 6% (+3), SNP 5% (+1), Green 6% (+2), Other 2% (-2).
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It might be the only way forward....GIN1138 said:
Maybe Theresa will have another election if her deal gets thrown out?TheWhiteRabbit said:Just seen this:
Kantar Public voting intention polls (7th March – 11th March 2019) show Conservative 41% (+1 vs Feb 2019), Labour 31% (-4 vs Feb 2019), Lib Dems 8% (-2), UKIP 6% (+3), SNP 5% (+1), Green 6% (+2), Other 2% (-2).0
