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You don’t need to say the end date . It’s not necessary to lodge that , just that you have said there is one . I know it sounds strange but that’s what I took from it . The EU can protest politically but still ratify the deal .TheWhiteRabbit said:
"A conditional interpretative declaration is a more forceful variant of this instrument of international diplomacy whereby the United Kingdom would assert that its consent to be bound by the withdrawal agreement is dependent upon the interpretation that the backstop has an end date."nico67 said:Read Edward Leigh on Hansard . The link is on Faisal Islam’s Twitter .
The AG will definitely change his legal advice if Leigh is correct on this unilateral declaration .
If it's tantamount to putting an end-date in the WA, surely the EU would no more accept it than that?
Although I think the EU would countenance an end date after say, five or ten years (wherears the ERG want 10 months!).
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Right, of course, I think we're talking about the "alternative backstop arrangements" (as a replacement to the protocol) rather than the WA end date?williamglenn said:
It does have an end date - the date when the future relationship comes into effect. I don't see how unilaterally asserting that it has an end date does anything to control when that date might be.TheWhiteRabbit said:
"A conditional interpretative declaration is a more forceful variant of this instrument of international diplomacy whereby the United Kingdom would assert that its consent to be bound by the withdrawal agreement is dependent upon the interpretation that the backstop has an end date."nico67 said:Read Edward Leigh on Hansard . The link is on Faisal Islam’s Twitter .
The AG will definitely change his legal advice if Leigh is correct on this unilateral declaration .
If it's tantamount to putting an end-date in the WA, surely the EU would no more accept it than that?
Although I think the EU would countenance an end date after say, five or ten years (wherears the ERG want 10 months!).0 -
It is virtually impossible to get to a decent level of proficiency in other languages without having done Latin, which teaches you the elements of linguistic structure. The best way of learning it is to use Kennedy's Revised Latin Primer, still in print 140 years after publication, and unsurpassed (and still available on Amazon). If you work your way through Kennedy you will be able to translate the rude poems on the final pages.
I did Latin, French and German at school, and subsequently taught myself Spanish; for kids, Spanish is popular because it is pretty straightforward.
Roumanian has a lot of Latin in it, and Russian a surprising amount of vocab borrowed from European languages.0 -
I liked the comment "ls that training in how to be anti-Semitic?"TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Including English?Cyclefree said:
Well my youngest has those and in Spanish. Still seems incapable of saying a word in any language other than "What's for dinner?".Sunil_Prasannan said:
[swaggering] Man, I've got GCSE A-grades in French AND GermanCyclefree said:
Surely you learnt French at school.......? It seems to be taught to practically every English school child and yet you can barely find any adult speaking it.kle4 said:
Er, d'accord?Cyclefree said:
Ah, non, non. Madame May dit des bêtises. Elle ne comprend rien; son Parlement est plein d'idiots. Il faut arriver a une conclusion ainsi que nous pouvons discuter autre sujet. N'importe quel sujet mais surtout pas Brexit.bigjohnowls said:Je m'apelle Donald Madame May est parlant Merde
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Ca va les mecs?
Ce qui se passe a Strasbourg ce soir, c'est du theatre ou c'est de vrai?0 -
Isn't that rather precipitous until he actually sees the advice? I mean, I can well believe it, but how can he know the changed situation leading to changed advice is not reasonable? Hazarding a guess as to the likelihood it is all just politics sure, but certainty?FF43 said:This. This. This.
The whole thing is about convenient legal advice. The EU having unreasonably refused to change everything to help Mr Codpiece out of a legal hole of his own making, now stands by while he makes it up (unilaterally).
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What on earth is "antisemitism training"?TheWhiteRabbit said:
"Over the last few weeks, JLM has been contacted by hundreds of people asking us to run our antisemitism awareness training at CLPs, branches, Labour groups....TheScreamingEagles said:
We have made this training available to the Labour Party NEC, NCC, and staff which has not been taken up...
We cannot accept the suggestion that the Party knows better than its Jewish affiliate, or the Jewish community what constitutes antisemitism. Particularly when in recent days press reports have demonstrated the Party has failed time and again to identify clear cases of antisemitism, with senior members of the Leader of the Opposition's Office directly intervening in disciplinary cases.
Whilst the Equalities and Human Rights Commission explore our referral of the Labour Party for institutional racism, we cannot in good faith continue to provide our training whilst the Party seek to undermine our role in this way..."
I take a very dim view of everyone involved.0 -
Your view is probably going to be more popular but I will completely disagree.Marco1 said:If , (a big if) , there is serious progress tonight then the one thing I believe a lot of people will agree upon is the horrendous mess that our MPs, May, the EU and Government have made of the last two wasted Years of ridiculous diplomacy. It has clearly indicated that democracy only works if you are an Elite and have Elite views.
If (and it is a big if) there is serious progress tonight then belatedly MPs, May, the EU and the Government will have done their job. Its not pretty but it if there's progress and it is done then it is done at last.
Furthermore in December and January MPs had serious concerns over the backstop. If those have been addressed then that is serious progress.
It hasn't been pretty but in the words of Otto Von Bismarck “If you like laws and sausages, you should never watch either one being made.”0 -
I’ve never seen myself as a person who can defeat the impossible but I’ve lived and worked in France and Germany despite dropping Latin (and Greek) at the first opportunity. What I’m suggesting, is nonsense.franklyn said:It is virtually impossible to get to a decent level of proficiency in other languages without having done Latin, which teaches you the elements of linguistic structure. The best way of learning it is to use Kennedy's Revised Latin Primer, still in print 140 years after publication, and unsurpassed (and still available on Amazon). If you work your way through Kennedy you will be able to translate the rude poems on the final pages.
I did Latin, French and German at school, and subsequently taught myself Spanish; for kids, Spanish is popular because it is pretty straightforward.
Roumanian has a lot of Latin in it, and Russian a surprising amount of vocab borrowed from European languages.0 -
Wait till yours is a teenager. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mp4IDNpBnIgCharles said:
Including English?Cyclefree said:
Well my youngest has those and in Spanish. Still seems incapable of saying a word in any language other than "What's for dinner?".Sunil_Prasannan said:
[swaggering] Man, I've got GCSE A-grades in French AND GermanCyclefree said:
Surely you learnt French at school.......? It seems to be taught to practically every English school child and yet you can barely find any adult speaking it.kle4 said:
Er, d'accord?Cyclefree said:
Ah, non, non. Madame May dit des bêtises. Elle ne comprend rien; son Parlement est plein d'idiots. Il faut arriver a une conclusion ainsi que nous pouvons discuter autre sujet. N'importe quel sujet mais surtout pas Brexit.bigjohnowls said:Je m'apelle Donald Madame May est parlant Merde
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"It says 'Romans Go Home'TheScreamingEagles said:
Brexit delenda est.ExiledInScotland said:So the ERG lawyers group look at the detail and say Nuts - and the DUP do likewise- then what?
PS - I know that's not the correct Latin but I can't be arsed.
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A good point.franklyn said:It is virtually impossible to get to a decent level of proficiency in other languages without having done Latin, which teaches you the elements of linguistic structure. The best way of learning it is to use Kennedy's Revised Latin Primer, still in print 140 years after publication, and unsurpassed (and still available on Amazon). If you work your way through Kennedy you will be able to translate the rude poems on the final pages.
I did Latin, French and German at school, and subsequently taught myself Spanish; for kids, Spanish is popular because it is pretty straightforward.
Roumanian has a lot of Latin in it, and Russian a surprising amount of vocab borrowed from European languages.
Didn't help much with my Chinese though.0 -
"...I’m struck, as the British parliament moves towards the endgame on Brexit, with the number of times Australia, Canada, New Zealand and India have been advanced by the Brexiteers in the public debate as magical alternatives to Britain’s current trade and investment relationship with the European Union. This is the nuttiest of the many nutty arguments that have emerged from the Land of Hope and Glory set now masquerading as the authentic standard-bearers of British patriotism. It’s utter bollocks..."TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
PS I suppose I should add that I find it inconceivable that anyone would judge anyone else based on their race.Omnium said:
What on earth is "antisemitism training"?TheWhiteRabbit said:
"Over the last few weeks, JLM has been contacted by hundreds of people asking us to run our antisemitism awareness training at CLPs, branches, Labour groups....TheScreamingEagles said:
We have made this training available to the Labour Party NEC, NCC, and staff which has not been taken up...
We cannot accept the suggestion that the Party knows better than its Jewish affiliate, or the Jewish community what constitutes antisemitism. Particularly when in recent days press reports have demonstrated the Party has failed time and again to identify clear cases of antisemitism, with senior members of the Leader of the Opposition's Office directly intervening in disciplinary cases.
Whilst the Equalities and Human Rights Commission explore our referral of the Labour Party for institutional racism, we cannot in good faith continue to provide our training whilst the Party seek to undermine our role in this way..."
I take a very dim view of everyone involved.0 -
What you mean is that you need to learn grammar properly. Even learning English grammar will go a long way but there's no advantage to studying Latin grammar over, say, German or Russian.franklyn said:It is virtually impossible to get to a decent level of proficiency in other languages without having done Latin, which teaches you the elements of linguistic structure.
Edit: And Russian is a European language!0 -
That actually made me laugh. What would the Labour list be? (I started writing one but was worried that OGH might object if they were taken the wrong way)bigjohnowls said:0 -
Please do not apologize. We all need a bit of light reliefCyclefree said:0 -
Nah - that’s what he said when he had a full surround nappy fillerydoethur said:
I bet his first words as a baby were 'No Backstop!'Sean_F said:
I'm sure he's roaring with anger already.TheScreamingEagles said:Odds on Mark Francois denouncing tonight's agreement before midnight?
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Mr Codpiece wanted the EU to give a cast iron legal commitment to make the backstop temporary, so it wouldn't be a backstop at all, just so he can deliver convenient legal advice that requires no difficult decisions to be made. The EU told him to piss off. Now it seems he will say not permanent after all, doesn't matter what EU says. No doubt he will have some passage from Henry V to trot out.kle4 said:
Isn't that rather precipitous until he actually sees the advice? I mean, I can well believe it, but how can he know the changed situation leading to changed advice is not reasonable? Hazarding a guess as to the likelihood it is all just politics sure, but certainty?FF43 said:This. This. This.
The whole thing is about convenient legal advice. The EU having unreasonably refused to change everything to help Mr Codpiece out of a legal hole of his own making, now stands by while he makes it up (unilaterally).
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Seulement ceux que vous ne voulez pas que quiconque lireRichard_Tyndall said:Devrions-nous avoir une règle que tous les messages devraient être en Français ce soir
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It teaches you that the star of David on a crab on the face of the statue of liberty is an anti-semitic meme not out of place in 1930s' Germany, because apparently people need to know that.Omnium said:
What on earth is "antisemitism training"?TheWhiteRabbit said:
"Over the last few weeks, JLM has been contacted by hundreds of people asking us to run our antisemitism awareness training at CLPs, branches, Labour groups....TheScreamingEagles said:
We have made this training available to the Labour Party NEC, NCC, and staff which has not been taken up...
We cannot accept the suggestion that the Party knows better than its Jewish affiliate, or the Jewish community what constitutes antisemitism. Particularly when in recent days press reports have demonstrated the Party has failed time and again to identify clear cases of antisemitism, with senior members of the Leader of the Opposition's Office directly intervening in disciplinary cases.
Whilst the Equalities and Human Rights Commission explore our referral of the Labour Party for institutional racism, we cannot in good faith continue to provide our training whilst the Party seek to undermine our role in this way..."
I take a very dim view of everyone involved.0 -
They seem to be coming out of his mouth now.Charles said:
Nah - that’s what he said when he had a full surround nappy fillerydoethur said:
I bet his first words as a baby were 'No Backstop!'Sean_F said:
I'm sure he's roaring with anger already.TheScreamingEagles said:Odds on Mark Francois denouncing tonight's agreement before midnight?
(Parents will know the horror to which I refer)0 -
I have to say, if the deal does pass somehow then watching the remainers spin it is going to be something to behold.
It's already started to some degree.0 -
Talking of languages, Kevin Rudd speaks genuinely fluent Chinese. A rare skill amongst English speakers.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
If this unilateral declaration lodged at the UN was a way round the backstop issue one wonders why all the people in the UK government didn’t think of it earlier .0
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Ou si vous voulez que la moitié d'entre eux soient mutilés en français via Google Translate, alors que les gens essaient de jouerDrutt said:
Seulement ceux que vous ne voulez pas que quiconque lireRichard_Tyndall said:Devrions-nous avoir une règle que tous les messages devraient être en Français ce soir
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Surely it teaches you that that is anti-Israel, not anti-Semitic.TheWhiteRabbit said:
It teaches you that the star of David on a crab on the face of the statue of liberty is an anti-semitic meme not out of place in 1930s' Germany, because apparently people need to know that.Omnium said:
What on earth is "antisemitism training"?TheWhiteRabbit said:
"Over the last few weeks, JLM has been contacted by hundreds of people asking us to run our antisemitism awareness training at CLPs, branches, Labour groups....TheScreamingEagles said:
We have made this training available to the Labour Party NEC, NCC, and staff which has not been taken up...
We cannot accept the suggestion that the Party knows better than its Jewish affiliate, or the Jewish community what constitutes antisemitism. Particularly when in recent days press reports have demonstrated the Party has failed time and again to identify clear cases of antisemitism, with senior members of the Leader of the Opposition's Office directly intervening in disciplinary cases.
Whilst the Equalities and Human Rights Commission explore our referral of the Labour Party for institutional racism, we cannot in good faith continue to provide our training whilst the Party seek to undermine our role in this way..."
I take a very dim view of everyone involved.0 -
Although as PM his chief speciality seemed to be double Dutch, which is a very common accomplishment among politicians.FF43 said:
Talking of languages, Kevin Rudd speaks genuinely fluent Chinese. A rare skill amongst English speakers.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
True but one of the long term problems with teaching in the UK is that, by and large, they have stopped teaching anything other than the most superficial grammar in schools. And this is not recent either. Back in the 80s I had problems with learning French because I had not been taught the 'language of language' in English.williamglenn said:
What you mean is that you need to learn grammar properly. Even learning English grammar will go a long way but there's not advantage to studying Latin grammar over, say, German or Russian.franklyn said:It is virtually impossible to get to a decent level of proficiency in other languages without having done Latin, which teaches you the elements of linguistic structure.
Edit: And Russian is a European language!0 -
Hemingway on grammar.
"The major, who had been a great fencer, did not believe in bravery, and spent much time while we sat in the machines correcting my grammar. He had complimented me on how I spoke Italian, and we talked together very easily. One day I had said that Italian seemed such an easy language to me that I could not take a great interest in it; everything was so easy to say. "Ah, yes," the major said. "Why, then, do you not take up the use of grammar?" So we took up the use of grammar, and soon Italian was such a difficult language that I was afraid to talk to him until I had the grammar straight in my mind."0 -
Blushes and buffs nails. As indeed did Paddy Ashdown.FF43 said:
Talking of languages, Kevin Rudd speaks genuinely fluent Chinese. A rare skill amongst English speakers.TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Wasn’t it a squid not a crab?TheWhiteRabbit said:
It teaches you that the star of David on a crab on the face of the statue of liberty is an anti-semitic meme not out of place in 1930s' Germany, because apparently people need to know that.Omnium said:
What on earth is "antisemitism training"?TheWhiteRabbit said:
"Over the last few weeks, JLM has been contacted by hundreds of people asking us to run our antisemitism awareness training at CLPs, branches, Labour groups....TheScreamingEagles said:
We have made this training available to the Labour Party NEC, NCC, and staff which has not been taken up...
We cannot accept the suggestion that the Party knows better than its Jewish affiliate, or the Jewish community what constitutes antisemitism. Particularly when in recent days press reports have demonstrated the Party has failed time and again to identify clear cases of antisemitism, with senior members of the Leader of the Opposition's Office directly intervening in disciplinary cases.
Whilst the Equalities and Human Rights Commission explore our referral of the Labour Party for institutional racism, we cannot in good faith continue to provide our training whilst the Party seek to undermine our role in this way..."
I take a very dim view of everyone involved.0 -
Same here. I only learned that there was such a thing as English grammar when I began studying Latin.Richard_Tyndall said:
True but one of the long term problems with teaching in the UK is that, by and large, they have stopped teaching anything other than the most superficial grammar in schools. And this is not recent either. Back in the 80s I had problems with learning French because I had not been taught the 'language of language' in English.williamglenn said:
What you mean is that you need to learn grammar properly. Even learning English grammar will go a long way but there's not advantage to studying Latin grammar over, say, German or Russian.franklyn said:It is virtually impossible to get to a decent level of proficiency in other languages without having done Latin, which teaches you the elements of linguistic structure.
Edit: And Russian is a European language!0 -
on second look I think it's the facehugger from Alien.Charles said:
Wasn’t it a squid not a crab?TheWhiteRabbit said:
It teaches you that the star of David on a crab on the face of the statue of liberty is an anti-semitic meme not out of place in 1930s' Germany, because apparently people need to know that.Omnium said:
What on earth is "antisemitism training"?TheWhiteRabbit said:
"Over the last few weeks, JLM has been contacted by hundreds of people asking us to run our antisemitism awareness training at CLPs, branches, Labour groups....TheScreamingEagles said:
We have made this training available to the Labour Party NEC, NCC, and staff which has not been taken up...
We cannot accept the suggestion that the Party knows better than its Jewish affiliate, or the Jewish community what constitutes antisemitism. Particularly when in recent days press reports have demonstrated the Party has failed time and again to identify clear cases of antisemitism, with senior members of the Leader of the Opposition's Office directly intervening in disciplinary cases.
Whilst the Equalities and Human Rights Commission explore our referral of the Labour Party for institutional racism, we cannot in good faith continue to provide our training whilst the Party seek to undermine our role in this way..."
I take a very dim view of everyone involved.0 -
I believe it was a facehugger:Charles said:
Wasn’t it a squid not a crab?TheWhiteRabbit said:
It teaches you that the star of David on a crab on the face of the statue of liberty is an anti-semitic meme not out of place in 1930s' Germany, because apparently people need to know that.Omnium said:
What on earth is "antisemitism training"?TheWhiteRabbit said:
"Over the last few weeks, JLM has been contacted by hundreds of people asking us to run our antisemitism awareness training at CLPs, branches, Labour groups....TheScreamingEagles said:
We have made this training available to the Labour Party NEC, NCC, and staff which has not been taken up...
We cannot accept the suggestion that the Party knows better than its Jewish affiliate, or the Jewish community what constitutes antisemitism. Particularly when in recent days press reports have demonstrated the Party has failed time and again to identify clear cases of antisemitism, with senior members of the Leader of the Opposition's Office directly intervening in disciplinary cases.
Whilst the Equalities and Human Rights Commission explore our referral of the Labour Party for institutional racism, we cannot in good faith continue to provide our training whilst the Party seek to undermine our role in this way..."
I take a very dim view of everyone involved.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_(creature_in_Alien_franchise)#Facehugger0 -
My two certainly learned more formal grammar in First School than I ever learned in English at any time.Richard_Tyndall said:
True but one of the long term problems with teaching in the UK is that, by and large, they have stopped teaching anything other than the most superficial grammar in schools. And this is not recent either. Back in the 80s I had problems with learning French because I had not been taught the 'language of language' in English.williamglenn said:
What you mean is that you need to learn grammar properly. Even learning English grammar will go a long way but there's not advantage to studying Latin grammar over, say, German or Russian.franklyn said:It is virtually impossible to get to a decent level of proficiency in other languages without having done Latin, which teaches you the elements of linguistic structure.
Edit: And Russian is a European language!0 -
What’s to spin , we’re out of the EU and lose freedom of movement . The saving grace is the transition period and time to escape the right wing coup in the UK.MaxPB said:I have to say, if the deal does pass somehow then watching the remainers spin it is going to be something to behold.
It's already started to some degree.0 -
I’m genuinely fascinated and amused by the importance attested to legal opinions by non-lawyers. A legal opinion is best seen as a method of limiting liability for the provider. The dim, and there are plenty of them out there, see it as a quasi-insurance policy. They’re wrong.TheWhiteRabbit said:
"A conditional interpretative declaration is a more forceful variant of this instrument of international diplomacy whereby the United Kingdom would assert that its consent to be bound by the withdrawal agreement is dependent upon the interpretation that the backstop has an end date."nico67 said:Read Edward Leigh on Hansard . The link is on Faisal Islam’s Twitter .
The AG will definitely change his legal advice if Leigh is correct on this unilateral declaration .
If it's tantamount to putting an end-date in the WA, surely the EU would no more accept it than that?
Although I think the EU would countenance an end date after say, five or ten years (wherears the ERG want 10 months!).
Still, as with commercial practice, I guess it provides a fig leaf for a given choice of action, so long as one doesn’t consider the assumptions and qualifications in detail.0 -
I believe it was.Chris said:
I believe it was a facehugger:Charles said:
Wasn’t it a squid not a crab?TheWhiteRabbit said:
It teaches you that the star of David on a crab on the face of the statue of liberty is an anti-semitic meme not out of place in 1930s' Germany, because apparently people need to know that.Omnium said:
What on earth is "antisemitism training"?TheWhiteRabbit said:
"Over the last few weeks, JLM has been contacted by hundreds of people asking us to run our antisemitism awareness training at CLPs, branches, Labour groups....TheScreamingEagles said:
We have made this training available to the Labour Party NEC, NCC, and staff which has not been taken up...
We cannot accept the suggestion that the Party knows better than its Jewish affiliate, or the Jewish community what constitutes antisemitism. Particularly when in recent days press reports have demonstrated the Party has failed time and again to identify clear cases of antisemitism, with senior members of the Leader of the Opposition's Office directly intervening in disciplinary cases.
Whilst the Equalities and Human Rights Commission explore our referral of the Labour Party for institutional racism, we cannot in good faith continue to provide our training whilst the Party seek to undermine our role in this way..."
I take a very dim view of everyone involved.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_(creature_in_Alien_franchise)#Facehugger0 -
If the EU are prepared to ratify the deal even with this unilateral declaration and not object to it then that is remarkable progress. Had this been done in January the EU would have objected to it. These fudges only ever happen at the last minute.nico67 said:If this unilateral declaration lodged at the UN was a way round the backstop issue one wonders why all the people in the UK government didn’t think of it earlier .
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That is The best thing about the deal passing tomorrow, the end of Boris career. The End of Dominic Rabb political career. The utter humiliation and ruin of David Davis. The cutting off of Mogg’s political testicles.Fenster said:
When Brexit finally goes through witnessing the meltdown of these smarmy sneering wankers on Twitter will be worth the wait. You can smell how much some of them hate Britain and all it stands for.bigjohnowls said:
What they have said about Chequers, what they said when May first put forward this deal, to vote for it or go awol in tomorrow’s deal pass after all pain caused by their lack of support for it stretching way back into last year, will, without doubt, 100% shred their political credibility for ever.
Think of Wilson “Crisis, what crisis” or Brown “there was never any plans for a snap election” or May “we never had plans for a dementia tax”, every single MP who ranted against this deal they now support shreds their credibility this week now and for ever. They can point to things have changed, the situation is now different, the options now different, the deals now different. Ha NO! {insert laughter into their faces} the only thing that’s changed is you have been played, you have been beaten, your credibility destroyed0 -
Whatever the specifics the imagery was more parasitic than a crabviewcode said:
I believe it was.Chris said:
I believe it was a facehugger:Charles said:
Wasn’t it a squid not a crab?TheWhiteRabbit said:
It teaches you that the star of David on a crab on the face of the statue of liberty is an anti-semitic meme not out of place in 1930s' Germany, because apparently people need to know that.Omnium said:
What on earth is "antisemitism training"?TheWhiteRabbit said:
"Over the last few weeks, JLM has been contacted by hundreds of people asking us to run our antisemitism awareness training at CLPs, branches, Labour groups....TheScreamingEagles said:
We have made this training available to the Labour Party NEC, NCC, and staff which has not been taken up...
We cannot accept the suggestion that the Party knows better than its Jewish affiliate, or the Jewish community what constitutes antisemitism. Particularly when in recent days press reports have demonstrated the Party has failed time and again to identify clear cases of antisemitism, with senior members of the Leader of the Opposition's Office directly intervening in disciplinary cases.
Whilst the Equalities and Human Rights Commission explore our referral of the Labour Party for institutional racism, we cannot in good faith continue to provide our training whilst the Party seek to undermine our role in this way..."
I take a very dim view of everyone involved.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_(creature_in_Alien_franchise)#Facehugger0 -
I agree with this.
If enough progress has been made tonight (a massive if), then perhaps we can finally draw a line under the whole sorry saga.Philip_Thompson said:
Your view is probably going to be more popular but I will completely disagree.Marco1 said:If , (a big if) , there is serious progress tonight then the one thing I believe a lot of people will agree upon is the horrendous mess that our MPs, May, the EU and Government have made of the last two wasted Years of ridiculous diplomacy. It has clearly indicated that democracy only works if you are an Elite and have Elite views.
If (and it is a big if) there is serious progress tonight then belatedly MPs, May, the EU and the Government will have done their job. Its not pretty but it if there's progress and it is done then it is done at last.
Furthermore in December and January MPs had serious concerns over the backstop. If those have been addressed then that is serious progress.
It hasn't been pretty but in the words of Otto Von Bismarck “If you like laws and sausages, you should never watch either one being made.”0 -
Je peux les mutiler parfaitement bien sans GT, merci.kle4 said:
Ou si vous voulez que la moitié d'entre eux soient mutilés en français via Google Translate, alors que les gens essaient de jouerDrutt said:
Seulement ceux que vous ne voulez pas que quiconque lireRichard_Tyndall said:Devrions-nous avoir une règle que tous les messages devraient être en Français ce soir
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Le Munich May accord, c'est sur quel canal ??
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Here he is being interviewed talking about Xi Jinping's politicsdixiedean said:
Blushes and buffs nails. As indeed did Paddy Ashdown.FF43 said:
Talking of languages, Kevin Rudd speaks genuinely fluent Chinese. A rare skill amongst English speakers.TheScreamingEagles said:
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It was clearly a facehugger alien implanting its xenomorph embryo into the chest cavity of Liberty.Charles said:
Whatever the specifics the imagery was more parasitic than a crabviewcode said:
I believe it was.Chris said:
I believe it was a facehugger:Charles said:
Wasn’t it a squid not a crab?TheWhiteRabbit said:
It teaches you that the star of David on a crab on the face of the statue of liberty is an anti-semitic meme not out of place in 1930s' Germany, because apparently people need to know that.Omnium said:
What on earth is "antisemitism training"?TheWhiteRabbit said:
"Over the last few weeks, JLM has been contacted by hundreds of people asking us to run our antisemitism awareness training at CLPs, branches, Labour groups....TheScreamingEagles said:
We have made this training available to the Labour Party NEC, NCC, and staff which has not been taken up...
We cannot accept the suggestion that the Party knows better than its Jewish affiliate, or the Jewish community what constitutes antisemitism. Particularly when in recent days press reports have demonstrated the Party has failed time and again to identify clear cases of antisemitism, with senior members of the Leader of the Opposition's Office directly intervening in disciplinary cases.
Whilst the Equalities and Human Rights Commission explore our referral of the Labour Party for institutional racism, we cannot in good faith continue to provide our training whilst the Party seek to undermine our role in this way..."
I take a very dim view of everyone involved.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_(creature_in_Alien_franchise)#Facehugger0 -
Big_G_NorthWales said:
Please do not apologize. We all need a bit of light reliefCyclefree said:
And I like pretty picture of the roses. 🙃0 -
It seems that the government will essentially say it would be legal for the UK to withdraw from the backstop unilaterally. In practice that does not seem to change very much, but presumably it has been agreed with the DUP and ERG that it’s enough.0
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He sounds very good, I couldn't get past calling someone's mother a horse.FF43 said:
Here he is being intervieweddixiedean said:
Blushes and buffs nails. As indeed did Paddy Ashdown.FF43 said:
Talking of languages, Kevin Rudd speaks genuinely fluent Chinese. A rare skill amongst English speakers.TheScreamingEagles said:
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Quick question: have you ever seen a film in the "Alien" franchise? We're assuming you know what a facehugger is but that might not be the case.Charles said:
Whatever the specifics the imagery was more parasitic than a crabviewcode said:
I believe it was.Chris said:
I believe it was a facehugger:Charles said:
Wasn’t it a squid not a crab?TheWhiteRabbit said:
It teaches you that the star of David on a crab on the face of the statue of liberty is an anti-semitic meme not out of place in 1930s' Germany, because apparently people need to know that.Omnium said:
What on earth is "antisemitism training"?TheWhiteRabbit said:
"Over the last few weeks, JLM has been contacted by hundreds of people asking us to run our antisemitism awareness training at CLPs, branches, Labour groups....TheScreamingEagles said:
We have made this training available to the Labour Party NEC, NCC, and staff which has not been taken up...
We cannot accept the suggestion that the Party knows better than its Jewish affiliate, or the Jewish community what constitutes antisemitism. Particularly when in recent days press reports have demonstrated the Party has failed time and again to identify clear cases of antisemitism, with senior members of the Leader of the Opposition's Office directly intervening in disciplinary cases.
Whilst the Equalities and Human Rights Commission explore our referral of the Labour Party for institutional racism, we cannot in good faith continue to provide our training whilst the Party seek to undermine our role in this way..."
I take a very dim view of everyone involved.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_(creature_in_Alien_franchise)#Facehugger0 -
TM deal to be followed with the release of 20 billion into the NHS, police and education on agreement
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Sterling just rapidly hopped up a third of a cent. ERG reaction?
I wonder if the DUP can be persuaded to abstain. Chuck em some more cash as a sweetener.0 -
The Magic Mummy Tree.Big_G_NorthWales said:TM deal to be followed with the release of 20 billion into the NHS, police and education on agreement
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What does Rees Mogg say? He is surely the bellwether.0
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If you take the JVL course I'm sure it teaches you that about almost any antisemitic poison. Fortunately JLM are a credible organisation - which is why the Corbynites have wanted them out of Labour for a generation.Sean_F said:
Surely it teaches you that that is anti-Israel, not anti-Semitic.TheWhiteRabbit said:
It teaches you that the star of David on a crab on the face of the statue of liberty is an anti-semitic meme not out of place in 1930s' Germany, because apparently people need to know that.Omnium said:
What on earth is "antisemitism training"?TheWhiteRabbit said:
"Over the last few weeks, JLM has been contacted by hundreds of people asking us to run our antisemitism awareness training at CLPs, branches, Labour groups....TheScreamingEagles said:
We have made this training available to the Labour Party NEC, NCC, and staff which has not been taken up...
We cannot accept the suggestion that the Party knows better than its Jewish affiliate, or the Jewish community what constitutes antisemitism. Particularly when in recent days press reports have demonstrated the Party has failed time and again to identify clear cases of antisemitism, with senior members of the Leader of the Opposition's Office directly intervening in disciplinary cases.
Whilst the Equalities and Human Rights Commission explore our referral of the Labour Party for institutional racism, we cannot in good faith continue to provide our training whilst the Party seek to undermine our role in this way..."
I take a very dim view of everyone involved.0 -
Well, duh, of course the government is trying to bounce the ERG and DUP into a deal. What planet have they been living on for the last 6 months?TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Quite so. Nothing wrong with Latin as one way of learning language structure, but learning a language directly is fine too. I'm more or less trilingual but I never had more than a smattering of Latin.matt said:
I’ve never seen myself as a person who can defeat the impossible but I’ve lived and worked in France and Germany despite dropping Latin (and Greek) at the first opportunity. What I’m suggesting, is nonsense.franklyn said:It is virtually impossible to get to a decent level of proficiency in other languages without having done Latin, which teaches you the elements of linguistic structure. The best way of learning it is to use Kennedy's Revised Latin Primer, still in print 140 years after publication, and unsurpassed (and still available on Amazon). If you work your way through Kennedy you will be able to translate the rude poems on the final pages.
I did Latin, French and German at school, and subsequently taught myself Spanish; for kids, Spanish is popular because it is pretty straightforward.
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Oh how I wish it were soSweeney74 said:I agree with this.
If enough progress has been made tonight (a massive if), then perhaps we can finally draw a line under the whole sorry saga.Philip_Thompson said:
Your view is probably going to be more popular but I will completely disagree.Marco1 said:If , (a big if) , there is serious progress tonight then the one thing I believe a lot of people will agree upon is the horrendous mess that our MPs, May, the EU and Government have made of the last two wasted Years of ridiculous diplomacy. It has clearly indicated that democracy only works if you are an Elite and have Elite views.
If (and it is a big if) there is serious progress tonight then belatedly MPs, May, the EU and the Government will have done their job. Its not pretty but it if there's progress and it is done then it is done at last.
Furthermore in December and January MPs had serious concerns over the backstop. If those have been addressed then that is serious progress.
It hasn't been pretty but in the words of Otto Von Bismarck “If you like laws and sausages, you should never watch either one being made.”
English, Danish and ???NickPalmer said:
Quite so. Nothing wrong with Latin as one way of learning language structure, but learning a language directly is fine too. I'm more or less trilingual but I never had more than a smattering of Latin.matt said:
I’ve never seen myself as a person who can defeat the impossible but I’ve lived and worked in France and Germany despite dropping Latin (and Greek) at the first opportunity. What I’m suggesting, is nonsense.franklyn said:It is virtually impossible to get to a decent level of proficiency in other languages without having done Latin, which teaches you the elements of linguistic structure. The best way of learning it is to use Kennedy's Revised Latin Primer, still in print 140 years after publication, and unsurpassed (and still available on Amazon). If you work your way through Kennedy you will be able to translate the rude poems on the final pages.
I did Latin, French and German at school, and subsequently taught myself Spanish; for kids, Spanish is popular because it is pretty straightforward.
Roumanian has a lot of Latin in it, and Russian a surprising amount of vocab borrowed from European languages.0 -
It's spelt "bellend"Luckyguy1983 said:What does Rees Mogg say? He is surely the bellwether.
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Commons is PACKED. Lidington reporting TM will say more later but have secured legally binding changes. Joint interpretative doc and joint statement.0
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As SeanT pointed out, Rees Mogg is more of a bell end than a bellwether.Luckyguy1983 said:What does Rees Mogg say? He is surely the bellwether.
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How long before we get a DUP statement saying it's completely unacceptable?kle4 said:
Well, duh, of course the government is trying to bounce the ERG and DUP into a deal. What planet have they been living on for the last 6 months?TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
oh dear for May....it all looks very dire...0
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Just noticed your avatar. I used to work in one in the sixties when I was in Edinburgh City PoliceSweeney74 said:I agree with this.
If enough progress has been made tonight (a massive if), then perhaps we can finally draw a line under the whole sorry saga.Philip_Thompson said:
Your view is probably going to be more popular but I will completely disagree.Marco1 said:If , (a big if) , there is serious progress tonight then the one thing I believe a lot of people will agree upon is the horrendous mess that our MPs, May, the EU and Government have made of the last two wasted Years of ridiculous diplomacy. It has clearly indicated that democracy only works if you are an Elite and have Elite views.
If (and it is a big if) there is serious progress tonight then belatedly MPs, May, the EU and the Government will have done their job. Its not pretty but it if there's progress and it is done then it is done at last.
Furthermore in December and January MPs had serious concerns over the backstop. If those have been addressed then that is serious progress.
It hasn't been pretty but in the words of Otto Von Bismarck “If you like laws and sausages, you should never watch either one being made.”0 -
It was a copy of Alien. It’s not challenging to see what the imagery is driving at. Although I’ve no doubt that Jeremy Corbyn and his little helpers would claim that it wasn’t at all obvious.Sweeney74 said:It was clearly a facehugger alien implanting its xenomorph embryo into the chest cavity of Liberty.
Charles said:
Whatever the specifics the imagery was more parasitic than a crabviewcode said:
I believe it was.Chris said:
I believe it was a facehugger:Charles said:
Wasn’t it a squid not a crab?TheWhiteRabbit said:
It teaches you that the star of David on a crab on the face of the statue of liberty is an anti-semitic meme not out of place in 1930s' Germany, because apparently people need to know that.Omnium said:
What on earth is "antisemitism training"?TheWhiteRabbit said:
"Over the last few weeks, JLM has been contacted by hundreds of people asking us to run our antisemitism awareness training at CLPs, branches, Labour groups....TheScreamingEagles said:
We have made this training available to the Labour Party NEC, NCC, and staff which has not been taken up...
We cannot accept the suggestion that the Party knows better than its Jewish affiliate, or the Jewish community what constitutes antisemitism. Particularly when in recent days press reports have demonstrated the Party has failed time and again to identify clear cases of antisemitism, with senior members of the Leader of the Opposition's Office directly intervening in disciplinary cases.
Whilst the Equalities and Human Rights Commission explore our referral of the Labour Party for institutional racism, we cannot in good faith continue to provide our training whilst the Party seek to undermine our role in this way..."
I take a very dim view of everyone involved.
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On the other hand, some of his arguments for Britain to stay in Europe - that the European project is faltering and that shades of nationalism are rising throughout the continent that look very nasty indeed - could just as well be pitched as arguments to get out.viewcode said:
"...I’m struck, as the British parliament moves towards the endgame on Brexit, with the number of times Australia, Canada, New Zealand and India have been advanced by the Brexiteers in the public debate as magical alternatives to Britain’s current trade and investment relationship with the European Union. This is the nuttiest of the many nutty arguments that have emerged from the Land of Hope and Glory set now masquerading as the authentic standard-bearers of British patriotism. It’s utter bollocks..."TheScreamingEagles said:
In fact those are his main political arguments for staying in, though it isn't clear to me whether he thinks that Britain remaining in the EU will somehow make Hungarian or Finnish or Italian nationalism less vicious, or just fingers-crossed that it might just keep the tide outvoted in Brussels for a little bit longer if things get really hairy.
His main economic argument, that there are 400+ million relatively wealthy people living next-door so you ought to be doing a lot of your trade with them, is pretty reasonable, though rather skirts over the fact that in globally proportionate terms they are a market of diminishing significance, but it isn't clear to me why that should involve subsuming one's country into political union with them. After all, there are 1300 million increasingly wealthy people living in a country in Oz's neck of the woods, in a market that really has been racing up the economic rankings and which is now responsible for a lot of their trade, but surely even Mr Rudd would find it premature if Australia gave up on governing itself and settled for sending a few delegates to the National People's Congress instead.0 -
"The UK can unilaterally interpret the backstop as temporary indefinitely until the backstop ends."0
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it's curtains for May.....
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I'm amazed we've not had one already. But give it til morning, they don't want to appear totally unreasonable.houndtang said:
How long before we get a DUP statement saying it's completely unacceptable?kle4 said:
Well, duh, of course the government is trying to bounce the ERG and DUP into a deal. What planet have they been living on for the last 6 months?TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
He's saying a lot of words.0
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Fair pointsMyBurningEars said:
On the other hand, some of his arguments for Britain to stay in Europe - that the European project is faltering and that shades of nationalism are rising throughout the continent that look very nasty indeed - could just as well be pitched as arguments to get out.viewcode said:
"...I’m struck, as the British parliament moves towards the endgame on Brexit, with the number of times Australia, Canada, New Zealand and India have been advanced by the Brexiteers in the public debate as magical alternatives to Britain’s current trade and investment relationship with the European Union. This is the nuttiest of the many nutty arguments that have emerged from the Land of Hope and Glory set now masquerading as the authentic standard-bearers of British patriotism. It’s utter bollocks..."TheScreamingEagles said:
In fact those are his main political arguments for staying in, though it isn't clear to me whether he thinks that Britain remaining in the EU will somehow make Hungarian or Finnish or Italian nationalism less vicious, or just fingers-crossed that it might just keep the tide outvoted in Brussels for a little bit longer if things get really hairy.
His main economic argument, that there are 400+ million relatively wealthy people living next-door so you ought to be doing a lot of your trade with them, is pretty reasonable, though rather skirts over the fact that in globally proportionate terms they are a market of diminishing significance, but it isn't clear to me why that should involve subsuming one's country into political union with them. After all, there are 1300 million increasingly wealthy people living in a country in Oz's neck of the wood, in a market that really has been racing up the economic rankings and which is now responsible for a lot of their trade, but surely even Mr Rudd would find it premature if Australia gave up on governing itself and settled for sending a few delegates to the National People's Congress instead.0 -
Is Lidington officially May's deputy, or just in practice?0
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A type 42 Tardis?!Big_G_NorthWales said:
Just noticed your avatar. I used to work in one in the sixties when I was in Edinburgh City PoliceSweeney74 said:I agree with this.
If enough progress has been made tonight (a massive if), then perhaps we can finally draw a line under the whole sorry saga.Philip_Thompson said:
Your view is probably going to be more popular but I will completely disagree.Marco1 said:If , (a big if) , there is serious progress tonight then the one thing I believe a lot of people will agree upon is the horrendous mess that our MPs, May, the EU and Government have made of the last two wasted Years of ridiculous diplomacy. It has clearly indicated that democracy only works if you are an Elite and have Elite views.
If (and it is a big if) there is serious progress tonight then belatedly MPs, May, the EU and the Government will have done their job. Its not pretty but it if there's progress and it is done then it is done at last.
Furthermore in December and January MPs had serious concerns over the backstop. If those have been addressed then that is serious progress.
It hasn't been pretty but in the words of Otto Von Bismarck “If you like laws and sausages, you should never watch either one being made.”
I like the way several old police boxes in Edinburgh are now being used as pop up stalls and coffee shops
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This bloke is the best informed Brexit commentator there is ...
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many of which are "legally" and "binding" for some (!) reasonGallowgate said:He's saying a lot of words.
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Be fair, they can only type with two fingers. It takes a long while to write a statement.kle4 said:
I'm amazed we've not had one already. But give it til morning, they don't want to appear totally unreasonable.houndtang said:
How long before we get a DUP statement saying it's completely unacceptable?kle4 said:
Well, duh, of course the government is trying to bounce the ERG and DUP into a deal. What planet have they been living on for the last 6 months?TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
It depends on Nigel Dodds and Jeffery Donaldson. They do the mental activity for the DUP in the Commons.houndtang said:
How long before we get a DUP statement saying it's completely unacceptable?kle4 said:
Well, duh, of course the government is trying to bounce the ERG and DUP into a deal. What planet have they been living on for the last 6 months?TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
Funnily enough, that's the bit Rudd is not so good at. He speaks idiomatic Chinese with a large vocabulary but his tones are shot. He might well call someone's mother a horse (context is everything of course).Pulpstar said:
He sounds very good, I couldn't get past calling someone's mother a horse.FF43 said:
Here he is being intervieweddixiedean said:
Blushes and buffs nails. As indeed did Paddy Ashdown.FF43 said:
Talking of languages, Kevin Rudd speaks genuinely fluent Chinese. A rare skill amongst English speakers.TheScreamingEagles said:
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Primus inter pares.kle4 said:Is Lidington officially May's deputy, or just in practice?
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I don't recognise the MP on Lidington's right0
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Patience is a virtue. Lets wait and see tonights announcements in Strasbourgtyson said:it's curtains for May.....
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The
Australian politicians would struggle with idea of President for Life (as opposed to Pm for the next 15 minutes). Although, FWIW, I think (mimicing Chinese friends) that the relevant lives, for Xi, will be Taiwanese, as one county, one system is becomes real to stave off domestic issues.MyBurningEars said:
On the other hand, some of his arguments for Britain to stay in Europe - that the European project is faltering and that shades of nationalism are rising throughout the continent that look very nasty indeed - could just as well be pitched as arguments to get out.viewcode said:
"...I’m struck, as the British parliament moves towards the endgame on Brexit, with the number of times Australia, Canada, New Zealand and India have been advanced by the Brexiteers in the public debate as magical alternatives to Britain’s current trade and investment relationship with the European Union. This is the nuttiest of the many nutty arguments that have emerged from the Land of Hope and Glory set now masquerading as the authentic standard-bearers of British patriotism. It’s utter bollocks..."TheScreamingEagles said:
In fact those are his main political arguments for staying in, though it isn't clear to me whether he thinks that Britain remaining in the EU will somehow make Hungarian or Finnish or Italian nationalism less vicious, or just fingers-crossed that it might just keep the tide outvoted in Brussels for a little bit longer if things get really hairy.
His main economic argument, that there are 400+ million relatively wealthy people living next-door so you ought to be doing a lot of your trade with them, is pretty reasonable, though rather skirts over the fact that in globally proportionate terms they are a market of diminishing significance, but it isn't clear to me why that should involve subsuming one's country into political union with them. After all, there are 1300 million increasingly wealthy people living in a country in Oz's neck of the woods, in a market that really has been racing up the economic rankings and which is now responsible for a lot of their trade, but surely even Mr Rudd would find it premature if Australia gave up on governing itself and settled for sending a few delegates to the National People's Congress instead.0 -
Isn't that meant to be May herself?!TheScreamingEagles said:
Primus inter pares.kle4 said:Is Lidington officially May's deputy, or just in practice?
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Well done to the person who predicted they would reject it at 9:58pm, only 7 minutes out.kle4 said:
Well, duh, of course the government is trying to bounce the ERG and DUP into a deal. What planet have they been living on for the last 6 months?TheScreamingEagles said:0 -
NOOO !!!!!!!!!!!!!ydoethur said:
Be fair, they can only type with two fingers. It takes a long while to write a statement.kle4 said:
I'm amazed we've not had one already. But give it til morning, they don't want to appear totally unreasonable.houndtang said:
How long before we get a DUP statement saying it's completely unacceptable?kle4 said:
Well, duh, of course the government is trying to bounce the ERG and DUP into a deal. What planet have they been living on for the last 6 months?TheScreamingEagles said:
That can't take too long can it ?0 -
Ok, he's secundus inter pares.kle4 said:
Isn't that meant to be May herself?!TheScreamingEagles said:
Primus inter pares.kle4 said:Is Lidington officially May's deputy, or just in practice?
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Not much of a rallying cry when a - we're already in one, and b - many want that crisis to get worse so that we no deal, or have no choice but to remain.Scott_P said:0 -
Starmer nothing has changed0
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... except Labour's position since last time this came to the Commonsbigjohnowls said:Starmer nothing has changed
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