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Taking the piss out of someone is fine. Calling them a "cock" or a "bellend" is perfectly legal, if not polite behaviour.DougSeal said:
Grayling will bankrupt him if he doesn't pay. It's not a "fine" it's damages. It's now a debt that he has admitted he can't pay so, if that's true, the logical next step is to petition for his bankruptcy.Gardenwalker said:
I don’t know. Contempt of court?tlg86 said:
What happens if he doesn't cough up the money?Gardenwalker said:Oh dear.
“Leading” Brexit thinker Pete North is doubling down against AC Grayling, despite having just been fined £20k for libellous accusations of paedophilia.
http://peterjnorth.blogspot.com/2019/03/noncegate-revisited.html
Also, there’s this:
As to my legal obligations as per the judgement, I make no promises that I won't take the piss out of AC Grayling ever again, though his total insignificance probably means I have bigger fish to fry. As far as an apology goes, I will never apologise for taking the mick out of public lunatics - especially leaders of political campaigns - but I can at least understand how a man who looks and sounds like Grayling would be sensitive to the inference that he is a paedophile.
But when you start claiming someone is a paedophile, them - well - you better be right. As Katie Hopkins discovered, going round slandering people can really screw your life up. (And, if you are caught, apologise profusely, and offer money to charity. Basically, a quick "sorry" can save you from bankruptcy and all that entails.)0 -
It breaks down because Peterborough doesn't have large numbers of voters who would be receptive to an SDP-type party, whereas Crosby did.agingjb said:The analogy between Crosby and Peterborough, if it is intended to be an analogy between the SDP and the TIG, breaks down because there is no Shirley Williams figure, a supporter of the TIG who is a well known former MP. Or is there?
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OT almost-bombs found at Heathrow, Waterloo & London City Airport
These devices, at this early stage of the investigation, appear capable of igniting an initially small fire when opened.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-47457477
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There are multiple factors.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Divvie, are you suggesting that declining diesel sales and the EU-Japan FTA have had no impact?
You might argue that the UK (perhaps) leaving the EU is the biggest factor, but pretending the others don't exist or are negligible is wearing blinkers.
Anyone who says that Brexit is the only one is deluded. Anyone who claims "it's nothing to do with Brexit" is deluded.
The good news is that it's now possible to tell who are the complete idiots on here, by their refusal to admit that the real world is a complex place.0 -
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I wonder if this is related to the Gatwick drone disruption. Is there a fringe group targetting transport?DecrepitJohnL said:OT almost-bombs found at Heathrow, Waterloo & London City Airport
These devices, at this early stage of the investigation, appear capable of igniting an initially small fire when opened.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-474574770 -
Mark Reckless could stand as a TOSser.williamglenn said:
Ed Balls could stand as a TIGger?agingjb said:The analogy between Crosby and Peterborough, if it is intended to be an analogy between the SDP and the TIG, breaks down because there is no Shirley Williams figure, a supporter of the TIG who is a well known former MP. Or is there?
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I bring it up because factory closures in automotive downturns are the norm and because factory closures have been the nrom when in the EU. Those yelliing loudest are the same people who told people in the Midlands and North to suck it up and then got sulky when large swathes of the industrial belt voted out.Recidivist said:
We'll have to give you that that wasn't anything to do with Brexit. But why do you bring it up?Alanbrooke said:
and hows that different to when PSA closed their factory in Coventry and transferred all the production to Slovakia in 2006 ?williamglenn said:
More nothing to do with Brexit news.Gardenwalker said:
It’s most unusual that it’s happening at the same time. What an eerie coincidence!Theuniondivvie said:Top excuses that aren't Brexit?
Diesel.
They wuz going to do it anyway.
EU-Japan free trade deal.
Global uncertainty.
Any more?
https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1102965059611955200
It’s almost as if there’s some kind of government policy to de-industrialise.
https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/1102921190526590977?s=210 -
No. It's all still hingeing on assumptions that some tweak will deliver a lot of votes even as the EU rubbishes the idea of anything meaningful, the ERG leak that nothing achievable is enough, and labour rebels mostly stick to their guns.AlastairMeeks said:
Is there any real sign yet that a meaningful vote will be lost by less than 150?Scott_P said:
Maybe it'll be closer than 150, but it wont pass, not even close. MPs would still rarger avoid than decide.0 -
There's a certain irony here.rpjs said:
The quality of food here in the US, especially “fresh” meat, fish and vegetables in the supermarkets, is appalling. We can afford to buy a lot of our food from farmers’ markets but even that isn’t particularly good.Foxy said:
Funny that you mention that:CarlottaVance said:
But the Salade au Chlorine is still on....Scott_P said:
twitter.com/BpsmithUk/status/1101994462971088896?s=19
The reason that Chlorine chicken is dangerous is not the chlorine, it is the substandard hygiene necessitating chlorine:
twitter.com/BpsmithUk/status/1101925348726489088?s=19
The main beneficiaries of a free trade deal with the US would be poor people in cities, who would get cheaper food.
The main losers of a deal would be people who live or work in the countryside, who would find themselves competing with people with lower cost bases (largely due to lower farm standards).
The former group are in opposition, and are vehemently opposed to any kind of FTA with "Trump's America". The latter group are in government, and are desperate for a deal.
Ultimately, I can't see rural Conservative MPs voting for a US FTA that includes unfettered access for agricultural products. So, we can debate it all we like, but it 'ain't happening.0 -
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Sounds about right.rcs1000 said:
There are multiple factors.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Divvie, are you suggesting that declining diesel sales and the EU-Japan FTA have had no impact?
You might argue that the UK (perhaps) leaving the EU is the biggest factor, but pretending the others don't exist or are negligible is wearing blinkers.
Anyone who says that Brexit is the only one is deluded. Anyone who claims "it's nothing to do with Brexit" is deluded.
The good news is that it's now possible to tell who are the complete idiots on here, by their refusal to admit that the real world is a complex place.0 -
They don't believe it or don't care. It's as simple as that. If the Tories are just that bad for some, they will prioritise beating them over any internal concerns.oxfordsimon said:Yet another damning letter of resignation from a former close colleague of Corbyn
How can any sensible Labour member not follow suit and walk away from this toxic mess?
https://www.thejc.com/comment/comment/dear-jeremy-corbyn-richard-horton-resignation-letter-1.481017
It's not a view unique to labour of course but it's quite pressing for them at present.0 -
Mr. 1000, speaking of people who aren't idiots, it's been a while since I saw you mention a video. Still doing them?0
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He didn't even put in a defence to Grayling's claim. Just something, saying it was obvious hyperbole, satire, could possibly have got him somewhere, although its unlikely. Not putting a defence in at all is just giving up.rcs1000 said:
Taking the piss out of someone is fine. Calling them a "cock" or a "bellend" is perfectly legal, if not polite behaviour.DougSeal said:
Grayling will bankrupt him if he doesn't pay. It's not a "fine" it's damages. It's now a debt that he has admitted he can't pay so, if that's true, the logical next step is to petition for his bankruptcy.Gardenwalker said:
I don’t know. Contempt of court?tlg86 said:
What happens if he doesn't cough up the money?Gardenwalker said:Oh dear.
“Leading” Brexit thinker Pete North is doubling down against AC Grayling, despite having just been fined £20k for libellous accusations of paedophilia.
http://peterjnorth.blogspot.com/2019/03/noncegate-revisited.html
Also, there’s this:
As to my legal obligations as per the judgement, I make no promises that I won't take the piss out of AC Grayling ever again, though his total insignificance probably means I have bigger fish to fry. As far as an apology goes, I will never apologise for taking the mick out of public lunatics - especially leaders of political campaigns - but I can at least understand how a man who looks and sounds like Grayling would be sensitive to the inference that he is a paedophile.
But when you start claiming someone is a paedophile, them - well - you better be right. As Katie Hopkins discovered, going round slandering people can really screw your life up. (And, if you are caught, apologise profusely, and offer money to charity. Basically, a quick "sorry" can save you from bankruptcy and all that entails.)
However, when my witnesses for my employer clients say that harassment was just "banter" before the employment tribunal then I generally advise them to throw in the towel as the tribunal invariably takes it as an admission. I've no doubt that, if he had bothered submitting it, the defence that he offers here would have been held similarly by the High Court - but I'm not a defamaton lawyer.0 -
I don’t believe - but happy to stand corrected - that anyone on here has said “it’s all down to Brexit”.rcs1000 said:
There are multiple factors.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Divvie, are you suggesting that declining diesel sales and the EU-Japan FTA have had no impact?
You might argue that the UK (perhaps) leaving the EU is the biggest factor, but pretending the others don't exist or are negligible is wearing blinkers.
Anyone who says that Brexit is the only one is deluded. Anyone who claims "it's nothing to do with Brexit" is deluded.
The good news is that it's now possible to tell who are the complete idiots on here, by their refusal to admit that the real world is a complex place.
However the role-call of deniers is legion.0 -
Certainly a lot of bad stories in that industry right now.Scott_P said:0 -
Who, on here, or frankly anywhere, told people in the Midlands or the North to “suck it up”?Alanbrooke said:
I bring it up because factory closures in automotive downturns are the norm and because factory closures have been the nrom when in the EU. Those yelliing loudest are the same people who told people in the Midlands and North to suck it up and then got sulky when large swathes of the industrial belt voted out.Recidivist said:
We'll have to give you that that wasn't anything to do with Brexit. But why do you bring it up?Alanbrooke said:
and hows that different to when PSA closed their factory in Coventry and transferred all the production to Slovakia in 2006 ?williamglenn said:
More nothing to do with Brexit news.Gardenwalker said:
It’s most unusual that it’s happening at the same time. What an eerie coincidence!Theuniondivvie said:Top excuses that aren't Brexit?
Diesel.
They wuz going to do it anyway.
EU-Japan free trade deal.
Global uncertainty.
Any more?
https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1102965059611955200
It’s almost as if there’s some kind of government policy to de-industrialise.
https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/1102921190526590977?s=21
This bizarre notion seems to be the core of your whole philosophy.0 -
It's thousands of jobs - As I will continually repeat there is 1 model not being mentioned in any reporting that is due to be launched later this year yet has been delayed...Scott_P said:
That model is also 10 years old and far better cars have been recently launched in that market segment which is why sales of it are rapidly falling0 -
That's not quite true any more. If you look at the ILO statistics on flexibility of labour market, we used to be miles better than anyone else. We're now a smidgen behind Ireland, Estonia and the Netherlands and only a fraction ahead of Belgium, Spain and Portugal.Alanbrooke said:
No theyre simply examples of how Anglo saxon unprotected labour rules are incompatible with the EU. The brits are always first to get shat on when multinats need to make pan European savings.williamglenn said:
They’re both examples showing the importance of the EU single market to car manufacturing.Alanbrooke said:
and hows that different to when PSA closed their factory in Coventry and transferred all the production to Slovakia in 2006 ?williamglenn said:
More nothing to do with Brexit news.Gardenwalker said:
It’s most unusual that it’s happening at the same time. What an eerie coincidence!Theuniondivvie said:Top excuses that aren't Brexit?
Diesel.
They wuz going to do it anyway.
EU-Japan free trade deal.
Global uncertainty.
Any more?
https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1102965059611955200
It’s almost as if there’s some kind of government policy to de-industrialise.
https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/1102921190526590977?s=21
We're still a lot better than Italy and France mind, although the ILO hasn't updated the data to reflect recent progress in France.0 -
Is she admitting she didn't report something about Nissan because the government denied it?Scott_P said:0 -
No, I've started a new business. Which I'm going to do a video onMorris_Dancer said:Mr. 1000, speaking of people who aren't idiots, it's been a while since I saw you mention a video. Still doing them?
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The BBC is much more cautious about reporting stories than Sky. That means that Sky is often fleeter of foot but more often has to make corrections. Supposedly the BBC put-down of Sky is "never wrong for long".williamglenn said:
Is she admitting she didn't report something about Nissan because the government denied it?Scott_P said:0 -
Perhaps unlikely but I know we have some gamers here so I thought I'd mention this:
apparently Anthem is capable of not merely crashing but sometimes bricking PS4 consoles. So, you might want to forgo that particular game. Or take a bit of a risk.
Edited extra bit: best of luck, Mr. 1000. Any hints?0 -
Turning up in court without papers before Lord Chief Justice Leveson might not have been the wisest course of action. It is surprising see how Fiona Onasanya has managed to destroy her political career for the sake of more points on a driving licence. It remains to be seen if she works as a solicitor again.0
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Alistair Meeks for oneGardenwalker said:
Who, on here, or frankly anywhere, told people in the Midlands or the North to “suck it up”?Alanbrooke said:
I bring it up because factory closures in automotive downturns are the norm and because factory closures have been the nrom when in the EU. Those yelliing loudest are the same people who told people in the Midlands and North to suck it up and then got sulky when large swathes of the industrial belt voted out.Recidivist said:
We'll have to give you that that wasn't anything to do with Brexit. But why do you bring it up?Alanbrooke said:
and hows that different to when PSA closed their factory in Coventry and transferred all the production to Slovakia in 2006 ?williamglenn said:
More nothing to do with Brexit news.Gardenwalker said:
It’s most unusual that it’s happening at the same time. What an eerie coincidence!Theuniondivvie said:Top excuses that aren't Brexit?
Diesel.
They wuz going to do it anyway.
EU-Japan free trade deal.
Global uncertainty.
Any more?
https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1102965059611955200
It’s almost as if there’s some kind of government policy to de-industrialise.
https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/1102921190526590977?s=21
This bizarre notion seems to be the core of your whole philosophy.
but then Ive been on this board much longer than you0 -
First they came for the Jews, and I did nothing...oxfordsimon said:Yet another damning letter of resignation from a former close colleague of Corbyn
How can any sensible Labour member not follow suit and walk away from this toxic mess?
https://www.thejc.com/comment/comment/dear-jeremy-corbyn-richard-horton-resignation-letter-1.481017
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Id argue thats an irrelevant statistic, its about ease of closure and the UK and Ireland are the easiest places to shed labour. No social plan, less cost per employee and as for pensions...rcs1000 said:
That's not quite true any more. If you look at the ILO statistics on flexibility of labour market, we used to be miles better than anyone else. We're now a smidgen behind Ireland, Estonia and the Netherlands and only a fraction ahead of Belgium, Spain and Portugal.Alanbrooke said:
No theyre simply examples of how Anglo saxon unprotected labour rules are incompatible with the EU. The brits are always first to get shat on when multinats need to make pan European savings.williamglenn said:
They’re both examples showing the importance of the EU single market to car manufacturing.Alanbrooke said:
and hows that different to when PSA closed their factory in Coventry and transferred all the production to Slovakia in 2006 ?williamglenn said:
More nothing to do with Brexit news.Gardenwalker said:
It’s most unusual that it’s happening at the same time. What an eerie coincidence!Theuniondivvie said:Top excuses that aren't Brexit?
Diesel.
They wuz going to do it anyway.
EU-Japan free trade deal.
Global uncertainty.
Any more?
https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1102965059611955200
It’s almost as if there’s some kind of government policy to de-industrialise.
https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/1102921190526590977?s=21
We're still a lot better than Italy and France mind, although the ILO hasn't updated the data to reflect recent progress in France.
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It seems odd that her fact-checking consisted of asking "government sources". Why would they be in a position to know?AlastairMeeks said:
The BBC is much more cautious about reporting stories than Sky. That means that Sky is often fleeter of foot but more often has to make corrections. Supposedly the BBC put-down of Sky is "never wrong for long".williamglenn said:
Is she admitting she didn't report something about Nissan because the government denied it?Scott_P said:0 -
The Netherlands? That surprises me because after the probation period, to effect a redundancy there you need permission of the court or the UWV. Without it the termination is void. Employers here don't know how easy they have it sometimes.rcs1000 said:
That's not quite true any more. If you look at the ILO statistics on flexibility of labour market, we used to be miles better than anyone else. We're now a smidgen behind Ireland, Estonia and the Netherlands and only a fraction ahead of Belgium, Spain and Portugal.Alanbrooke said:
No theyre simply examples of how Anglo saxon unprotected labour rules are incompatible with the EU. The brits are always first to get shat on when multinats need to make pan European savings.williamglenn said:
They’re both examples showing the importance of the EU single market to car manufacturing.Alanbrooke said:
and hows that different to when PSA closed their factory in Coventry and transferred all the production to Slovakia in 2006 ?williamglenn said:
More nothing to do with Brexit news.Gardenwalker said:
It’s most unusual that it’s happening at the same time. What an eerie coincidence!Theuniondivvie said:Top excuses that aren't Brexit?
Diesel.
They wuz going to do it anyway.
EU-Japan free trade deal.
Global uncertainty.
Any more?
https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1102965059611955200
It’s almost as if there’s some kind of government policy to de-industrialise.
https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/1102921190526590977?s=21
We're still a lot better than Italy and France mind, although the ILO hasn't updated the data to reflect recent progress in France.0 -
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Factory closures are a normal part of business life. It's a competitive world. The point about Brexit is it makes us less competitive, so factory closures will result. And are doing.Alanbrooke said:
I bring it up because factory closures in automotive downturns are the norm and because factory closures have been the nrom when in the EU. Those yelliing loudest are the same people who told people in the Midlands and North to suck it up and then got sulky when large swathes of the industrial belt voted out.Recidivist said:
We'll have to give you that that wasn't anything to do with Brexit. But why do you bring it up?Alanbrooke said:
and hows that different to when PSA closed their factory in Coventry and transferred all the production to Slovakia in 2006 ?williamglenn said:
More nothing to do with Brexit news.Gardenwalker said:
It’s most unusual that it’s happening at the same time. What an eerie coincidence!Theuniondivvie said:Top excuses that aren't Brexit?
Diesel.
They wuz going to do it anyway.
EU-Japan free trade deal.
Global uncertainty.
Any more?
https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1102965059611955200
It’s almost as if there’s some kind of government policy to de-industrialise.
https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/1102921190526590977?s=210 -
Yeah, they'll be sucking it up faster now. Tough shit. Hell mend them.Alanbrooke said:
Alistair Meeks for oneGardenwalker said:
Who, on here, or frankly anywhere, told people in the Midlands or the North to “suck it up”?Alanbrooke said:
I bring it up because factory closures in automotive downturns are the norm and because factory closures have been the nrom when in the EU. Those yelliing loudest are the same people who told people in the Midlands and North to suck it up and then got sulky when large swathes of the industrial belt voted out.Recidivist said:
We'll have to give you that that wasn't anything to do with Brexit. But why do you bring it up?Alanbrooke said:
and hows that different to when PSA closed their factory in Coventry and transferred all the production to Slovakia in 2006 ?williamglenn said:
More nothing to do with Brexit news.Gardenwalker said:
It’s most unusual that it’s happening at the same time. What an eerie coincidence!Theuniondivvie said:Top excuses that aren't Brexit?
Diesel.
They wuz going to do it anyway.
EU-Japan free trade deal.
Global uncertainty.
Any more?
https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1102965059611955200
It’s almost as if there’s some kind of government policy to de-industrialise.
https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/1102921190526590977?s=21
This bizarre notion seems to be the core of your whole philosophy.
but then Ive been on this board much longer than you0 -
I'm assuming that this is your puckish sense of humour .... but, if Blair really stood, Peterborough would descend into chaos.Sean_F said:
Maybe Tony Blair could standagingjb said:The analogy between Crosby and Peterborough, if it is intended to be an analogy between the SDP and the TIG, breaks down because there is no Shirley Williams figure, a supporter of the TIG who is a well known former MP. Or is there?
The many millions who despise him would hunt him down with rotten vegetables and stinking eggs.
Whatever, Blair has reaffirmed he is Labour, so he would be standing under Labour colours, not as a black and yellow stripey animal.0 -
This self evident truth is hotly denied by Mr Alanbrooke who spends all his time complaining about the decline of manufacturing while supporting a policy that fucks manufacturing.Recidivist said:
Factory closures are a normal part of business life. It's a competitive world. The point about Brexit is it makes us less competitive, so factory closures will result. And are doing.Alanbrooke said:
I bring it up because factory closures in automotive downturns are the norm and because factory closures have been the nrom when in the EU. Those yelliing loudest are the same people who told people in the Midlands and North to suck it up and then got sulky when large swathes of the industrial belt voted out.Recidivist said:
We'll have to give you that that wasn't anything to do with Brexit. But why do you bring it up?Alanbrooke said:
and hows that different to when PSA closed their factory in Coventry and transferred all the production to Slovakia in 2006 ?williamglenn said:
More nothing to do with Brexit news.Gardenwalker said:
It’s most unusual that it’s happening at the same time. What an eerie coincidence!Theuniondivvie said:Top excuses that aren't Brexit?
Diesel.
They wuz going to do it anyway.
EU-Japan free trade deal.
Global uncertainty.
Any more?
https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1102965059611955200
It’s almost as if there’s some kind of government policy to de-industrialise.
https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/1102921190526590977?s=210 -
Don't mention to the political class that banning new combustion engined vehicles after 2040 actually has real hard consequences. It'll only upset their little minds.eek said:
It's thousands of jobs - As I will continually repeat there is 1 model not being mentioned in any reporting that is due to be launched later this year yet has been delayed...Scott_P said:
That model is also 10 years old and far better cars have been recently launched in that market segment which is why sales of it are rapidly falling0 -
Operation Fuck Business (ceo: Boris Johnson) is going very well I see.AlastairMeeks said:
The BBC is much more cautious about reporting stories than Sky. That means that Sky is often fleeter of foot but more often has to make corrections. Supposedly the BBC put-down of Sky is "never wrong for long".williamglenn said:
Is she admitting she didn't report something about Nissan because the government denied it?Scott_P said:0 -
nonsenseRecidivist said:
Factory closures are a normal part of business life. It's a competitive world. The point about Brexit is it makes us less competitive, so factory closures will result. And are doing.Alanbrooke said:
I bring it up because factory closures in automotive downturns are the norm and because factory closures have been the nrom when in the EU. Those yelliing loudest are the same people who told people in the Midlands and North to suck it up and then got sulky when large swathes of the industrial belt voted out.Recidivist said:
We'll have to give you that that wasn't anything to do with Brexit. But why do you bring it up?Alanbrooke said:
and hows that different to when PSA closed their factory in Coventry and transferred all the production to Slovakia in 2006 ?williamglenn said:
More nothing to do with Brexit news.Gardenwalker said:
It’s most unusual that it’s happening at the same time. What an eerie coincidence!Theuniondivvie said:Top excuses that aren't Brexit?
Diesel.
They wuz going to do it anyway.
EU-Japan free trade deal.
Global uncertainty.
Any more?
https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1102965059611955200
It’s almost as if there’s some kind of government policy to de-industrialise.
https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/1102921190526590977?s=21
multinats have had a 15% currency devaluation boost since the end of 2015
the competitive issue has morte to do with ease of closure UK sites compared to others and the fact that the UK government has no policies for industry and UK managers dont like to invest0 -
To pursue the Crosby analogy, it took the nascent SDP some time to agree a deal with the Liberals (remember Bill Pitt).
The Liberal by-election machine was then well oiled and ready to roll. That made Shirley Willaims's job much easier.
The TIGgers have not yet reached any deal (why should the stronger, better organised party stand aside?) and the LibDem by-election machine is now rather rusty.0 -
and theyll vote out faster than everAlastairMeeks said:
Yeah, they'll be sucking it up faster now. Tough shit. Hell mend them.Alanbrooke said:
Alistair Meeks for oneGardenwalker said:
Who, on here, or frankly anywhere, told people in the Midlands or the North to “suck it up”?Alanbrooke said:
I bring it up because factory closures in automotive downturns are the norm and because factory closures have been the nrom when in the EU. Those yelliing loudest are the same people who told people in the Midlands and North to suck it up and then got sulky when large swathes of the industrial belt voted out.Recidivist said:
We'll have to give you that that wasn't anything to do with Brexit. But why do you bring it up?Alanbrooke said:
and hows that different to when PSA closed their factory in Coventry and transferred all the production to Slovakia in 2006 ?williamglenn said:
More nothing to do with Brexit news.Gardenwalker said:
It’s most unusual that it’s happening at the same time. What an eerie coincidence!Theuniondivvie said:Top excuses that aren't Brexit?
Diesel.
They wuz going to do it anyway.
EU-Japan free trade deal.
Global uncertainty.
Any more?
https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1102965059611955200
It’s almost as if there’s some kind of government policy to de-industrialise.
https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/1102921190526590977?s=21
This bizarre notion seems to be the core of your whole philosophy.
but then Ive been on this board much longer than you0 -
I suspect this has more to do with the internal politics of Nissan and Renault as much as anything else...saddo said:
Don't mention to the political class that banning new combustion engined vehicles after 2040 actually has real hard consequences. It'll only upset their little minds.eek said:
It's thousands of jobs - As I will continually repeat there is 1 model not being mentioned in any reporting that is due to be launched later this year yet has been delayed...Scott_P said:
That model is also 10 years old and far better cars have been recently launched in that market segment which is why sales of it are rapidly falling0 -
Just imagine how bad things would be if we didn't hold all the cards.0
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On topic, LOCK HER UP.0
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the policies that facked manufacturing have been in place for the last 20 years, Brexit is simply one of the consequences.Gardenwalker said:
This self evident truth is hotly denied by Mr Alanbrooke who spends all his time complaining about the decline of manufacturing while supporting a policy that fucks manufacturing.Recidivist said:
Factory closures are a normal part of business life. It's a competitive world. The point about Brexit is it makes us less competitive, so factory closures will result. And are doing.Alanbrooke said:
I bring it up because factory closures in automotive downturns are the norm and because factory closures have been the nrom when in the EU. Those yelliing loudest are the same people who told people in the Midlands and North to suck it up and then got sulky when large swathes of the industrial belt voted out.Recidivist said:
We'll have to give you that that wasn't anything to do with Brexit. But why do you bring it up?Alanbrooke said:
and hows that different to when PSA closed their factory in Coventry and transferred all the production to Slovakia in 2006 ?williamglenn said:
More nothing to do with Brexit news.Gardenwalker said:
It’s most unusual that it’s happening at the same time. What an eerie coincidence!Theuniondivvie said:Top excuses that aren't Brexit?
Diesel.
They wuz going to do it anyway.
EU-Japan free trade deal.
Global uncertainty.
Any more?
https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1102965059611955200
It’s almost as if there’s some kind of government policy to de-industrialise.
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Only one of the car makers abandoning the UK is German. The others will be here any minute...TheScreamingEagles said:Just imagine how bad things would be if we didn't hold all the cards.
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Spy shots of the new Juke were in the auto press last week.eek said:
It's thousands of jobs - As I will continually repeat there is 1 model not being mentioned in any reporting that is due to be launched later this year yet has been delayed...Scott_P said:
That model is also 10 years old and far better cars have been recently launched in that market segment which is why sales of it are rapidly falling0 -
I have complete confidence that any Corbyn government will make May’s premiership look golden by comparison.Scott_P said:0 -
Ironically, I agree with you.Alanbrooke said:
the policies that facked manufacturing have been in place for the last 20 years, Brexit is simply one of the consequences.Gardenwalker said:
This self evident truth is hotly denied by Mr Alanbrooke who spends all his time complaining about the decline of manufacturing while supporting a policy that fucks manufacturing.Recidivist said:
Factory closures are a normal part of business life. It's a competitive world. The point about Brexit is it makes us less competitive, so factory closures will result. And are doing.Alanbrooke said:
I bring it up because factory closures in automotive downturns are the norm and because factory closures have been the nrom when in the EU. Those yelliing loudest are the same people who told people in the Midlands and North to suck it up and then got sulky when large swathes of the industrial belt voted out.Recidivist said:
We'll have to give you that that wasn't anything to do with Brexit. But why do you bring it up?Alanbrooke said:
and hows that different to when PSA closed their factory in Coventry and transferred all the production to Slovakia in 2006 ?williamglenn said:
More nothing to do with Brexit news.Gardenwalker said:
It’s most unusual that it’s happening at the same time. What an eerie coincidence!Theuniondivvie said:Top excuses that aren't Brexit?
Diesel.
They wuz going to do it anyway.
EU-Japan free trade deal.
Global uncertainty.
Any more?
https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1102965059611955200
It’s almost as if there’s some kind of government policy to de-industrialise.
https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/1102921190526590977?s=21
Just disagree vigorously that Brexit is gonna help.
In fact, I see little from either Leave OR Remain on any practical thinking post-Brexit to address the long neglect of manufacturing in this country.0 -
I sometimes have the feeling that you are a bit out of touch, Mr Smithson (Jr).rcs1000 said:
In First Past the Post, they could win on a very modest vote share.YBarddCwsc said:
This is deluded. The TIGgers are not going to sweep Brexit-y Peterborough or Newport West.dyedwoolie said:Peterborough is Crosby
Two lost deposits is much more likely.
Imagine that the LibDems don't stand, but that there is Labour, Conservative, UKIP and the Brexit Party. This means that even if 70% of the electorate made clear their preference for Brexit, TIG could be elected on 30% of the vote.
Likely?
No. But perfectly possible. I'd want the LibDems to decide not to stand, and 8-1.0 -
You know who else had their appeal rejected?
Jesus Christ.
You know who was behind the tainted legal process?
The Jews.
I wish satire wasn't this easy.0 -
Unfortunate, as we may still get both.Gardenwalker said:0 -
Short term Brexit isnt going to help, thats not the first time Ive said that either. Longer term I remain more optimistic since it will crash the system which ignores large swathes of the UK and as you have rightly pointed out force people to address more of our underlying problems,Gardenwalker said:
Ironically, I agree with you.Alanbrooke said:
the policies that facked manufacturing have been in place for the last 20 years, Brexit is simply one of the consequences.Gardenwalker said:
This self evident truth is hotly denied by Mr Alanbrooke who spends all his time complaining about the decline of manufacturing while supporting a policy that fucks manufacturing.Recidivist said:
Factory closures are a normal part of business life. It's a competitive world. The point about Brexit is it makes us less competitive, so factory closures will result. And are doing.Alanbrooke said:
I bring it up because factory closures in automotive downturns are the norm and because factory closures have been the nrom when in the EU. Those yelliing loudest are the same people who told people in the Midlands and North to suck it up and then got sulky when large swathes of the industrial belt voted out.Recidivist said:
We'll have to give you that that wasn't anything to do with Brexit. But why do you bring it up?Alanbrooke said:
and hows that different to when PSA closed their factory in Coventry and transferred all the production to Slovakia in 2006 ?williamglenn said:
More nothing to do with Brexit news.Gardenwalker said:
It’s most unusual that it’s happening at the same time. What an eerie coincidence!Theuniondivvie said:Top excuses that aren't Brexit?
Diesel.
They wuz going to do it anyway.
EU-Japan free trade deal.
Global uncertainty.
Any more?
https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1102965059611955200
It’s almost as if there’s some kind of government policy to de-industrialise.
https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/1102921190526590977?s=21
Just disagree vigorously that Brexit is gonna help.
In fact, I see little from either Leave OR Remain on any practical thinking post-Brexit to address the long neglect of manufacturing in this country.
Manufacturing to be clear will be lucky to hold on to jobs as greater automation takes over UK politicians bar a bit of window dressing havent even got their heads round what they need to do,0 -
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It is difficult to know how much of this is Lefties talking crap to impress each other or this is their real thinking.Gardenwalker said:
I think it was Hannah Arendt who said one should always actually listen to what fascists say and write, and take it at face value.
On that advise, you are likely correct.
Grim times.
And difficult to believe the Labour party of all entities is hatching this terrible virus.0 -
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We’re going to get both.Gardenwalker said:
I’ve been prepared for that for a while.0 -
Yes and it should have been launched in Geneva - it's not. Equally where is it being built?ralphmalph said:
Spy shots of the new Juke were in the auto press last week.eek said:
It's thousands of jobs - As I will continually repeat there is 1 model not being mentioned in any reporting that is due to be launched later this year yet has been delayed...Scott_P said:
That model is also 10 years old and far better cars have been recently launched in that market segment which is why sales of it are rapidly falling0 -
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not for long...Alanbrooke said:inter Irish trade is less than the turnover of Nissan Sunderland
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unlikelyScott_P said:
not for long...Alanbrooke said:inter Irish trade is less than the turnover of Nissan Sunderland
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Further proof of Project Fear becoming Project Reality.
Big hugs for all those who had already pinned this on the Muslims.
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Remind me again which party Mosley and Beckett were MPs for before 1931?rottenborough said:
It is difficult to know how much of this is Lefties talking crap to impress each other or this is their real thinking.Gardenwalker said:
I think it was Hannah Arendt who said one should always actually listen to what fascists say and write, and take it at face value.
On that advise, you are likely correct.
Grim times.
And difficult to believe the Labour party of all entities is hatching this terrible virus.0 -
My turnover is probably less than the Nissan canteen's. But it is still quite important to me.Alanbrooke said:0 -
Disappointing news from Nissan. MPs need to get on and sign the WA.0
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Are you saying there are no muslims in Ireland ?TheScreamingEagles said:Further proof of Project Fear becoming Project Reality.
Big hugs for all those who had already pinned this on the Muslims.
https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/11029933613451714560 -
All we need now is for a letter bomb to arrive at Berlaymont with a postmark from East Belfast and we'll have the set.TheScreamingEagles said:Further proof of Project Fear becoming Project Reality.
Big hugs for all those who had already pinned this on the Muslims.
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Last time I was in Belfast I think I doubled the number of Muslims in Ireland.Alanbrooke said:
Are you saying there are no muslims in Ireland ?TheScreamingEagles said:Further proof of Project Fear becoming Project Reality.
Big hugs for all those who had already pinned this on the Muslims.
https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1102993361345171456
The natives kept on staring at me.
I don't think they were paying attention to my Louis Vuitton loafers.0 -
If they want to meet the launch deadline of mid 2019 then it can only be built here. If they announce another delay of 12 to 18 months to that it may be built in Spain.eek said:
Yes and it should have been launched in Geneva - it's not. Equally where is it being built?ralphmalph said:
Spy shots of the new Juke were in the auto press last week.eek said:
It's thousands of jobs - As I will continually repeat there is 1 model not being mentioned in any reporting that is due to be launched later this year yet has been delayed...Scott_P said:
That model is also 10 years old and far better cars have been recently launched in that market segment which is why sales of it are rapidly falling0 -
Not that I like to speculate on things like this, but my guess earlier today was NI related.TheScreamingEagles said:Further proof of Project Fear becoming Project Reality.
Big hugs for all those who had already pinned this on the Muslims.
https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1102993361345171456
Secondly, I hope you're not going to start cheering on terrorism because you don't like Brexit.0 -
Even if we dispense with manual labour altogether, manufacturing will still be influenced by economies of scale. So if we are outside the biggest and richest single market in the world rather than inside it we are going to be less competitive.Alanbrooke said:
Short term Brexit isnt going to help, thats not the first time Ive said that either. Longer term I remain more optimistic since it will crash the system which ignores large swathes of the UK and as you have rightly pointed out force people to address more of our underlying problems,Gardenwalker said:
Ironically, I agree with you.Alanbrooke said:
the policies that facked manufacturing have been in place for the last 20 years, Brexit is simply one of the consequences.Gardenwalker said:
This self evident truth is hotly denied by Mr Alanbrooke who spends all his time complaining about the decline of manufacturing while supporting a policy that fucks manufacturing.Recidivist said:
Factory closures are a normal part of business life. It's a competitive world. The point about Brexit is it makes us less competitive, so factory closures will result. And are doing.Alanbrooke said:
I bring it up because factory closures in automotive downturns are the norm and because factory closures have been the nrom when in the EU. Those yelliing loudest are the same people who told people in the Midlands and North to suck it up and then got sulky when large swathes of the industrial belt voted out.Recidivist said:
We'll have to give you that that wasn't anything to do with Brexit. But why do you bring it up?Alanbrooke said:
and hows that different to when PSA closed their factory in Coventry and transferred all the production to Slovakia in 2006 ?williamglenn said:
More nothing to do with Brexit news.Gardenwalker said:
.Theuniondivvie said:Top excuses that aren't Brexit?
Diesel.
They wuz going to do it anyway.
EU-Japan free trade deal.
Global uncertainty.
Any more?
https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1102965059611955200
https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/1102921190526590977?s=21
Just disagree vigorously that Brexit is gonna help.
In fact, I see little from either Leave OR Remain on any practical thinking post-Brexit to address the long neglect of manufacturing in this country.
Manufacturing to be clear will be lucky to hold on to jobs as greater automation takes over UK politicians bar a bit of window dressing havent even got their heads round what they need to do,0 -
AbsolutelyRecidivist said:
My turnover is probably less than the Nissan canteen's. But it is still quite important to me.Alanbrooke said:
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Did they also vote for perfect sunshine the next time Wales visit Murrayfield?Scott_P said:
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I don't think the allegations against Trudeau are any more than made against Trump and even if he did act wrongly the actions were to save thousands of jobsCarlottaVance said:0 -
But since both are threatened by Brexit does it matter which is largest?Alanbrooke said:0 -
To put themselves out of business?Alanbrooke said:
AbsolutelyRecidivist said:
My turnover is probably less than the Nissan canteen's. But it is still quite important to me.Alanbrooke said:
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Breaking news - if they're as bad as the allegations against Trump, he should not resign, he should be fired from Morris Dancer's space cannon.HYUFD said:
I don't think the allegations against Trudeau are any more than made against TrumpCarlottaVance said:
While eating a pineapple pizza.0 -
No manufacturing is increasingly head towards customised manufacture as increased IT use leads to greater flexibility. Batch sizes of 1 may become a future normRecidivist said:
Even if we dispense with manual labour altogether, manufacturing will still be influenced by economies of scale. So if we are outside the biggest and richest single market in the world rather than inside it we are going to be less competitive.Alanbrooke said:
Short term Brexit isnt going to help, thats no need to do,Gardenwalker said:
Ironically, I agree with you.Alanbrooke said:
the policies that facked manufacturing have been in place for the last 20 years, Brexit is simply one of the consequences.Gardenwalker said:
This self evident truth is hotly denied by Mr Alanbrooke who spends all his time complaining about the decline of manufacturing while supporting a policy that fucks manufacturing.Recidivist said:
Factory closures are a normal part of business life. It's a competitive world. The point about Brexit is it makes us less competitive, so factory closures will result. And are doing.Alanbrooke said:
I bring it up because factory closures in automotive downturns are the norm and because factory closures have been the nrom when in the EU. Those yelliing loudest are the same people who told people in the Midlands and North to suck it up and then got sulky when large swathes of the industrial belt voted out.Recidivist said:
We'll have to give you that that wasn't anything to do with Brexit. But why do you bring it up?Alanbrooke said:
and hows that different to when PSA closed their factory in Coventry and transferred all the production to Slovakia in 2006 ?williamglenn said:
More nothing to do with Brexit news.Gardenwalker said:
.Theuniondivvie said:Top excuses that aren't Brexit?
Diesel.
They wuz going to do it anyway.
EU-Japan free trade deal.
Global uncertainty.
Any more?
https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1102965059611955200
https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/1102921190526590977?s=21
Just disagree vigorously that Brexit is gonna help.
In fact, I see little from either Leave OR Remain on any practical thinking post-Brexit to address the long neglect of manufacturing in this country.
To run that you need a highly skilled work force and po0licies designed to reduce fixed costs to a minimum.0 -
I never cheer on terrorism, there's a particular circle of hell for those who risk the Irish peace process for Brexit.tlg86 said:
Not that I like to speculate on things like this, but my guess earlier today was NI related.TheScreamingEagles said:Further proof of Project Fear becoming Project Reality.
Big hugs for all those who had already pinned this on the Muslims.
https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1102993361345171456
Secondly, I hope you're not going to start cheering on terrorism because you don't like Brexit.0 -
It's not being launched in mid 2019....ralphmalph said:
If they want to meet the launch deadline of mid 2019 then it can only be built here. If they announce another delay of 12 to 18 months to that it may be built in Spain.eek said:
Yes and it should have been launched in Geneva - it's not. Equally where is it being built?ralphmalph said:
Spy shots of the new Juke were in the auto press last week.eek said:
It's thousands of jobs - As I will continually repeat there is 1 model not being mentioned in any reporting that is due to be launched later this year yet has been delayed...Scott_P said:
That model is also 10 years old and far better cars have been recently launched in that market segment which is why sales of it are rapidly falling0 -
Would it be ok to act wrongly to save merely hundreds of jobs? How wrong is it ok to be to save hundreds of thousands of jobs?HYUFD said:
I don't think the allegations against Trudeau are any more than made against Trump and even if he did act wrongly the actions were to save thousands of jobsCarlottaVance said:
Certainly we are generally content to look the other way in working with horrible people and places, possibly with plenty of bribery, for the sake of jobs, but given you are very explicit that it is ok to act wrongly for that reason, I do think we should know just how wrong it is ok to be for how much.0 -
Well, the cause would appear to be different.Alanbrooke said:
and hows that different to when PSA closed their factory in Coventry and transferred all the production to Slovakia in 2006 ?williamglenn said:
More nothing to do with Brexit news.Gardenwalker said:
It’s most unusual that it’s happening at the same time. What an eerie coincidence!Theuniondivvie said:Top excuses that aren't Brexit?
Diesel.
They wuz going to do it anyway.
EU-Japan free trade deal.
Global uncertainty.
Any more?
https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1102965059611955200
It’s almost as if there’s some kind of government policy to de-industrialise.
https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/1102921190526590977?s=210 -
Perhaps along with those who thought they were voting for Norway ?rcs1000 said:
There are multiple factors.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Divvie, are you suggesting that declining diesel sales and the EU-Japan FTA have had no impact?
You might argue that the UK (perhaps) leaving the EU is the biggest factor, but pretending the others don't exist or are negligible is wearing blinkers.
Anyone who says that Brexit is the only one is deluded. Anyone who claims "it's nothing to do with Brexit" is deluded.
The good news is that it's now possible to tell who are the complete idiots on here, by their refusal to admit that the real world is a complex place.
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Will be interesting to see how the DUP vote on the no deal motion .
If they support a no deal then that confirms they don’t give a toss for the people in NI .0 -
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An unfortunate comparator given the situation.Alanbrooke said:0 -
It's as it has been for a long time - no deal or revoke. If pushing it right to the March deadline isn't enough to scare enough Lab rebels or ERG to back the deal then nothing is going to.eek said:
Mps aren't going to sign it - that's been obvious for a while. May needs (at a minimum) more Labour rebels than ERG members who still vote against and there isn't going to be enough of those.MaxPB said:Disappointing news from Nissan. MPs need to get on and sign the WA.
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And thereby hastening a single Ireland referendum.nico67 said:Will be interesting to see how the DUP vote on the no deal motion .
If they support a no deal then that confirms they don’t give a toss for the people in NI .0 -
One for next year's PCC elections. The Tories are ditching their incumbent in Surrey:
https://twitter.com/DavidJMunro/status/1102708107967430658
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Wouldn't it be Delay? May's style is to kick the can down the road whenever she can, and it's likely the EU would accept that rather than take the hit of No Deal.kle4 said:
It's as it has been for a long time - no deal or revoke. If pushing it right to the March deadline isn't enough to scare enough Lab rebels or ERG to back the deal then nothing is going to.eek said:
Mps aren't going to sign it - that's been obvious for a while. May needs (at a minimum) more Labour rebels than ERG members who still vote against and there isn't going to be enough of those.MaxPB said:Disappointing news from Nissan. MPs need to get on and sign the WA.
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Brexit isn’t the only issue facing car makers but it can turn a viable operation into a non viable one .
Much depends on the future trading relationship but given the long lead times for investment decisions having to be made now can’t rely on hope versus reality .
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