“Leading” Brexit thinker Pete North is doubling down against AC Grayling, despite having just been fined £20k for libellous accusations of paedophilia.
As to my legal obligations as per the judgement, I make no promises that I won't take the piss out of AC Grayling ever again, though his total insignificance probably means I have bigger fish to fry. As far as an apology goes, I will never apologise for taking the mick out of public lunatics - especially leaders of political campaigns - but I can at least understand how a man who looks and sounds like Grayling would be sensitive to the inference that he is a paedophile.
Grayling will bankrupt him if he doesn't pay. It's not a "fine" it's damages. It's now a debt that he has admitted he can't pay so, if that's true, the logical next step is to petition for his bankruptcy.
Taking the piss out of someone is fine. Calling them a "cock" or a "bellend" is perfectly legal, if not polite behaviour.
But when you start claiming someone is a paedophile, them - well - you better be right. As Katie Hopkins discovered, going round slandering people can really screw your life up. (And, if you are caught, apologise profusely, and offer money to charity. Basically, a quick "sorry" can save you from bankruptcy and all that entails.)
The analogy between Crosby and Peterborough, if it is intended to be an analogy between the SDP and the TIG, breaks down because there is no Shirley Williams figure, a supporter of the TIG who is a well known former MP. Or is there?
It breaks down because Peterborough doesn't have large numbers of voters who would be receptive to an SDP-type party, whereas Crosby did.
Mr. Divvie, are you suggesting that declining diesel sales and the EU-Japan FTA have had no impact?
You might argue that the UK (perhaps) leaving the EU is the biggest factor, but pretending the others don't exist or are negligible is wearing blinkers.
There are multiple factors.
Anyone who says that Brexit is the only one is deluded. Anyone who claims "it's nothing to do with Brexit" is deluded.
The good news is that it's now possible to tell who are the complete idiots on here, by their refusal to admit that the real world is a complex place.
The analogy between Crosby and Peterborough, if it is intended to be an analogy between the SDP and the TIG, breaks down because there is no Shirley Williams figure, a supporter of the TIG who is a well known former MP. Or is there?
It’s most unusual that it’s happening at the same time. What an eerie coincidence! It’s almost as if there’s some kind of government policy to de-industrialise.
and hows that different to when PSA closed their factory in Coventry and transferred all the production to Slovakia in 2006 ?
We'll have to give you that that wasn't anything to do with Brexit. But why do you bring it up?
I bring it up because factory closures in automotive downturns are the norm and because factory closures have been the nrom when in the EU. Those yelliing loudest are the same people who told people in the Midlands and North to suck it up and then got sulky when large swathes of the industrial belt voted out.
Is there any real sign yet that a meaningful vote will be lost by less than 150?
No. It's all still hingeing on assumptions that some tweak will deliver a lot of votes even as the EU rubbishes the idea of anything meaningful, the ERG leak that nothing achievable is enough, and labour rebels mostly stick to their guns.
Maybe it'll be closer than 150, but it wont pass, not even close. MPs would still rarger avoid than decide.
The quality of food here in the US, especially “fresh” meat, fish and vegetables in the supermarkets, is appalling. We can afford to buy a lot of our food from farmers’ markets but even that isn’t particularly good.
There's a certain irony here.
The main beneficiaries of a free trade deal with the US would be poor people in cities, who would get cheaper food.
The main losers of a deal would be people who live or work in the countryside, who would find themselves competing with people with lower cost bases (largely due to lower farm standards).
The former group are in opposition, and are vehemently opposed to any kind of FTA with "Trump's America". The latter group are in government, and are desperate for a deal.
Ultimately, I can't see rural Conservative MPs voting for a US FTA that includes unfettered access for agricultural products. So, we can debate it all we like, but it 'ain't happening.
Mr. Divvie, are you suggesting that declining diesel sales and the EU-Japan FTA have had no impact?
You might argue that the UK (perhaps) leaving the EU is the biggest factor, but pretending the others don't exist or are negligible is wearing blinkers.
There are multiple factors.
Anyone who says that Brexit is the only one is deluded. Anyone who claims "it's nothing to do with Brexit" is deluded.
The good news is that it's now possible to tell who are the complete idiots on here, by their refusal to admit that the real world is a complex place.
They don't believe it or don't care. It's as simple as that. If the Tories are just that bad for some, they will prioritise beating them over any internal concerns.
It's not a view unique to labour of course but it's quite pressing for them at present.
“Leading” Brexit thinker Pete North is doubling down against AC Grayling, despite having just been fined £20k for libellous accusations of paedophilia.
As to my legal obligations as per the judgement, I make no promises that I won't take the piss out of AC Grayling ever again, though his total insignificance probably means I have bigger fish to fry. As far as an apology goes, I will never apologise for taking the mick out of public lunatics - especially leaders of political campaigns - but I can at least understand how a man who looks and sounds like Grayling would be sensitive to the inference that he is a paedophile.
Grayling will bankrupt him if he doesn't pay. It's not a "fine" it's damages. It's now a debt that he has admitted he can't pay so, if that's true, the logical next step is to petition for his bankruptcy.
Taking the piss out of someone is fine. Calling them a "cock" or a "bellend" is perfectly legal, if not polite behaviour.
But when you start claiming someone is a paedophile, them - well - you better be right. As Katie Hopkins discovered, going round slandering people can really screw your life up. (And, if you are caught, apologise profusely, and offer money to charity. Basically, a quick "sorry" can save you from bankruptcy and all that entails.)
He didn't even put in a defence to Grayling's claim. Just something, saying it was obvious hyperbole, satire, could possibly have got him somewhere, although its unlikely. Not putting a defence in at all is just giving up.
However, when my witnesses for my employer clients say that harassment was just "banter" before the employment tribunal then I generally advise them to throw in the towel as the tribunal invariably takes it as an admission. I've no doubt that, if he had bothered submitting it, the defence that he offers here would have been held similarly by the High Court - but I'm not a defamaton lawyer.
Mr. Divvie, are you suggesting that declining diesel sales and the EU-Japan FTA have had no impact?
You might argue that the UK (perhaps) leaving the EU is the biggest factor, but pretending the others don't exist or are negligible is wearing blinkers.
There are multiple factors.
Anyone who says that Brexit is the only one is deluded. Anyone who claims "it's nothing to do with Brexit" is deluded.
The good news is that it's now possible to tell who are the complete idiots on here, by their refusal to admit that the real world is a complex place.
I don’t believe - but happy to stand corrected - that anyone on here has said “it’s all down to Brexit”.
It’s most unusual that it’s happening at the same time. What an eerie coincidence! It’s almost as if there’s some kind of government policy to de-industrialise.
and hows that different to when PSA closed their factory in Coventry and transferred all the production to Slovakia in 2006 ?
We'll have to give you that that wasn't anything to do with Brexit. But why do you bring it up?
I bring it up because factory closures in automotive downturns are the norm and because factory closures have been the nrom when in the EU. Those yelliing loudest are the same people who told people in the Midlands and North to suck it up and then got sulky when large swathes of the industrial belt voted out.
Who, on here, or frankly anywhere, told people in the Midlands or the North to “suck it up”?
This bizarre notion seems to be the core of your whole philosophy.
It's thousands of jobs - As I will continually repeat there is 1 model not being mentioned in any reporting that is due to be launched later this year yet has been delayed...
That model is also 10 years old and far better cars have been recently launched in that market segment which is why sales of it are rapidly falling
It’s most unusual that it’s happening at the same time. What an eerie coincidence! It’s almost as if there’s some kind of government policy to de-industrialise.
and hows that different to when PSA closed their factory in Coventry and transferred all the production to Slovakia in 2006 ?
They’re both examples showing the importance of the EU single market to car manufacturing.
No theyre simply examples of how Anglo saxon unprotected labour rules are incompatible with the EU. The brits are always first to get shat on when multinats need to make pan European savings.
That's not quite true any more. If you look at the ILO statistics on flexibility of labour market, we used to be miles better than anyone else. We're now a smidgen behind Ireland, Estonia and the Netherlands and only a fraction ahead of Belgium, Spain and Portugal.
We're still a lot better than Italy and France mind, although the ILO hasn't updated the data to reflect recent progress in France.
Is she admitting she didn't report something about Nissan because the government denied it?
The BBC is much more cautious about reporting stories than Sky. That means that Sky is often fleeter of foot but more often has to make corrections. Supposedly the BBC put-down of Sky is "never wrong for long".
Perhaps unlikely but I know we have some gamers here so I thought I'd mention this:
apparently Anthem is capable of not merely crashing but sometimes bricking PS4 consoles. So, you might want to forgo that particular game. Or take a bit of a risk.
Edited extra bit: best of luck, Mr. 1000. Any hints?
Turning up in court without papers before Lord Chief Justice Leveson might not have been the wisest course of action. It is surprising see how Fiona Onasanya has managed to destroy her political career for the sake of more points on a driving licence. It remains to be seen if she works as a solicitor again.
It’s most unusual that it’s happening at the same time. What an eerie coincidence! It’s almost as if there’s some kind of government policy to de-industrialise.
and hows that different to when PSA closed their factory in Coventry and transferred all the production to Slovakia in 2006 ?
We'll have to give you that that wasn't anything to do with Brexit. But why do you bring it up?
I bring it up because factory closures in automotive downturns are the norm and because factory closures have been the nrom when in the EU. Those yelliing loudest are the same people who told people in the Midlands and North to suck it up and then got sulky when large swathes of the industrial belt voted out.
Who, on here, or frankly anywhere, told people in the Midlands or the North to “suck it up”?
This bizarre notion seems to be the core of your whole philosophy.
Alistair Meeks for one
but then Ive been on this board much longer than you
It’s most unusual that it’s happening at the same time. What an eerie coincidence! It’s almost as if there’s some kind of government policy to de-industrialise.
and hows that different to when PSA closed their factory in Coventry and transferred all the production to Slovakia in 2006 ?
They’re both examples showing the importance of the EU single market to car manufacturing.
No theyre simply examples of how Anglo saxon unprotected labour rules are incompatible with the EU. The brits are always first to get shat on when multinats need to make pan European savings.
That's not quite true any more. If you look at the ILO statistics on flexibility of labour market, we used to be miles better than anyone else. We're now a smidgen behind Ireland, Estonia and the Netherlands and only a fraction ahead of Belgium, Spain and Portugal.
We're still a lot better than Italy and France mind, although the ILO hasn't updated the data to reflect recent progress in France.
Id argue thats an irrelevant statistic, its about ease of closure and the UK and Ireland are the easiest places to shed labour. No social plan, less cost per employee and as for pensions...
Is she admitting she didn't report something about Nissan because the government denied it?
The BBC is much more cautious about reporting stories than Sky. That means that Sky is often fleeter of foot but more often has to make corrections. Supposedly the BBC put-down of Sky is "never wrong for long".
It seems odd that her fact-checking consisted of asking "government sources". Why would they be in a position to know?
It’s most unusual that it’s happening at the same time. What an eerie coincidence! It’s almost as if there’s some kind of government policy to de-industrialise.
and hows that different to when PSA closed their factory in Coventry and transferred all the production to Slovakia in 2006 ?
They’re both examples showing the importance of the EU single market to car manufacturing.
No theyre simply examples of how Anglo saxon unprotected labour rules are incompatible with the EU. The brits are always first to get shat on when multinats need to make pan European savings.
That's not quite true any more. If you look at the ILO statistics on flexibility of labour market, we used to be miles better than anyone else. We're now a smidgen behind Ireland, Estonia and the Netherlands and only a fraction ahead of Belgium, Spain and Portugal.
We're still a lot better than Italy and France mind, although the ILO hasn't updated the data to reflect recent progress in France.
The Netherlands? That surprises me because after the probation period, to effect a redundancy there you need permission of the court or the UWV. Without it the termination is void. Employers here don't know how easy they have it sometimes.
It’s most unusual that it’s happening at the same time. What an eerie coincidence! It’s almost as if there’s some kind of government policy to de-industrialise.
and hows that different to when PSA closed their factory in Coventry and transferred all the production to Slovakia in 2006 ?
We'll have to give you that that wasn't anything to do with Brexit. But why do you bring it up?
I bring it up because factory closures in automotive downturns are the norm and because factory closures have been the nrom when in the EU. Those yelliing loudest are the same people who told people in the Midlands and North to suck it up and then got sulky when large swathes of the industrial belt voted out.
Factory closures are a normal part of business life. It's a competitive world. The point about Brexit is it makes us less competitive, so factory closures will result. And are doing.
It’s most unusual that it’s happening at the same time. What an eerie coincidence! It’s almost as if there’s some kind of government policy to de-industrialise.
and hows that different to when PSA closed their factory in Coventry and transferred all the production to Slovakia in 2006 ?
We'll have to give you that that wasn't anything to do with Brexit. But why do you bring it up?
I bring it up because factory closures in automotive downturns are the norm and because factory closures have been the nrom when in the EU. Those yelliing loudest are the same people who told people in the Midlands and North to suck it up and then got sulky when large swathes of the industrial belt voted out.
Who, on here, or frankly anywhere, told people in the Midlands or the North to “suck it up”?
This bizarre notion seems to be the core of your whole philosophy.
Alistair Meeks for one
but then Ive been on this board much longer than you
Yeah, they'll be sucking it up faster now. Tough shit. Hell mend them.
The analogy between Crosby and Peterborough, if it is intended to be an analogy between the SDP and the TIG, breaks down because there is no Shirley Williams figure, a supporter of the TIG who is a well known former MP. Or is there?
Maybe Tony Blair could stand
I'm assuming that this is your puckish sense of humour .... but, if Blair really stood, Peterborough would descend into chaos.
The many millions who despise him would hunt him down with rotten vegetables and stinking eggs.
Whatever, Blair has reaffirmed he is Labour, so he would be standing under Labour colours, not as a black and yellow stripey animal.
It’s most unusual that it’s happening at the same time. What an eerie coincidence! It’s almost as if there’s some kind of government policy to de-industrialise.
and hows that different to when PSA closed their factory in Coventry and transferred all the production to Slovakia in 2006 ?
We'll have to give you that that wasn't anything to do with Brexit. But why do you bring it up?
I bring it up because factory closures in automotive downturns are the norm and because factory closures have been the nrom when in the EU. Those yelliing loudest are the same people who told people in the Midlands and North to suck it up and then got sulky when large swathes of the industrial belt voted out.
Factory closures are a normal part of business life. It's a competitive world. The point about Brexit is it makes us less competitive, so factory closures will result. And are doing.
This self evident truth is hotly denied by Mr Alanbrooke who spends all his time complaining about the decline of manufacturing while supporting a policy that fucks manufacturing.
It's thousands of jobs - As I will continually repeat there is 1 model not being mentioned in any reporting that is due to be launched later this year yet has been delayed...
That model is also 10 years old and far better cars have been recently launched in that market segment which is why sales of it are rapidly falling
Don't mention to the political class that banning new combustion engined vehicles after 2040 actually has real hard consequences. It'll only upset their little minds.
Is she admitting she didn't report something about Nissan because the government denied it?
The BBC is much more cautious about reporting stories than Sky. That means that Sky is often fleeter of foot but more often has to make corrections. Supposedly the BBC put-down of Sky is "never wrong for long".
Operation Fuck Business (ceo: Boris Johnson) is going very well I see.
It’s most unusual that it’s happening at the same time. What an eerie coincidence! It’s almost as if there’s some kind of government policy to de-industrialise.
and hows that different to when PSA closed their factory in Coventry and transferred all the production to Slovakia in 2006 ?
We'll have to give you that that wasn't anything to do with Brexit. But why do you bring it up?
I bring it up because factory closures in automotive downturns are the norm and because factory closures have been the nrom when in the EU. Those yelliing loudest are the same people who told people in the Midlands and North to suck it up and then got sulky when large swathes of the industrial belt voted out.
Factory closures are a normal part of business life. It's a competitive world. The point about Brexit is it makes us less competitive, so factory closures will result. And are doing.
nonsense
multinats have had a 15% currency devaluation boost since the end of 2015
the competitive issue has morte to do with ease of closure UK sites compared to others and the fact that the UK government has no policies for industry and UK managers dont like to invest
To pursue the Crosby analogy, it took the nascent SDP some time to agree a deal with the Liberals (remember Bill Pitt).
The Liberal by-election machine was then well oiled and ready to roll. That made Shirley Willaims's job much easier.
The TIGgers have not yet reached any deal (why should the stronger, better organised party stand aside?) and the LibDem by-election machine is now rather rusty.
Don't mention to the political class that banning new combustion engined vehicles after 2040 actually has real hard consequences. It'll only upset their little minds.
It’s most unusual that it’s happening at the same time. What an eerie coincidence! It’s almost as if there’s some kind of government policy to de-industrialise.
and hows that different to when PSA closed their factory in Coventry and transferred all the production to Slovakia in 2006 ?
We'll have to give you that that wasn't anything to do with Brexit. But why do you bring it up?
I bring it up because factory closures in automotive downturns are the norm and because factory closures have been the nrom when in the EU. Those yelliing loudest are the same people who told people in the Midlands and North to suck it up and then got sulky when large swathes of the industrial belt voted out.
Who, on here, or frankly anywhere, told people in the Midlands or the North to “suck it up”?
This bizarre notion seems to be the core of your whole philosophy.
Alistair Meeks for one
but then Ive been on this board much longer than you
Yeah, they'll be sucking it up faster now. Tough shit. Hell mend them.
It's thousands of jobs - As I will continually repeat there is 1 model not being mentioned in any reporting that is due to be launched later this year yet has been delayed...
That model is also 10 years old and far better cars have been recently launched in that market segment which is why sales of it are rapidly falling
Don't mention to the political class that banning new combustion engined vehicles after 2040 actually has real hard consequences. It'll only upset their little minds.
I suspect this has more to do with the internal politics of Nissan and Renault as much as anything else...
It’s most unusual that it’s happening at the same time. What an eerie coincidence! It’s almost as if there’s some kind of government policy to de-industrialise.
and hows that different to when PSA closed their factory in Coventry and transferred all the production to Slovakia in 2006 ?
We'll have to give you that that wasn't anything to do with Brexit. But why do you bring it up?
I bring it up because factory closures in automotive downturns are the norm and because factory closures have been the nrom when in the EU. Those yelliing loudest are the same people who told people in the Midlands and North to suck it up and then got sulky when large swathes of the industrial belt voted out.
Factory closures are a normal part of business life. It's a competitive world. The point about Brexit is it makes us less competitive, so factory closures will result. And are doing.
This self evident truth is hotly denied by Mr Alanbrooke who spends all his time complaining about the decline of manufacturing while supporting a policy that fucks manufacturing.
the policies that facked manufacturing have been in place for the last 20 years, Brexit is simply one of the consequences.
It's thousands of jobs - As I will continually repeat there is 1 model not being mentioned in any reporting that is due to be launched later this year yet has been delayed...
That model is also 10 years old and far better cars have been recently launched in that market segment which is why sales of it are rapidly falling
Spy shots of the new Juke were in the auto press last week.
It’s most unusual that it’s happening at the same time. What an eerie coincidence! It’s almost as if there’s some kind of government policy to de-industrialise.
and hows that different to when PSA closed their factory in Coventry and transferred all the production to Slovakia in 2006 ?
We'll have to give you that that wasn't anything to do with Brexit. But why do you bring it up?
I bring it up because factory closures in automotive downturns are the norm and because factory closures have been the nrom when in the EU. Those yelliing loudest are the same people who told people in the Midlands and North to suck it up and then got sulky when large swathes of the industrial belt voted out.
Factory closures are a normal part of business life. It's a competitive world. The point about Brexit is it makes us less competitive, so factory closures will result. And are doing.
This self evident truth is hotly denied by Mr Alanbrooke who spends all his time complaining about the decline of manufacturing while supporting a policy that fucks manufacturing.
the policies that facked manufacturing have been in place for the last 20 years, Brexit is simply one of the consequences.
Ironically, I agree with you. Just disagree vigorously that Brexit is gonna help.
In fact, I see little from either Leave OR Remain on any practical thinking post-Brexit to address the long neglect of manufacturing in this country.
This is deluded. The TIGgers are not going to sweep Brexit-y Peterborough or Newport West.
Two lost deposits is much more likely.
In First Past the Post, they could win on a very modest vote share.
Imagine that the LibDems don't stand, but that there is Labour, Conservative, UKIP and the Brexit Party. This means that even if 70% of the electorate made clear their preference for Brexit, TIG could be elected on 30% of the vote.
Likely? No. But perfectly possible. I'd want the LibDems to decide not to stand, and 8-1.
I sometimes have the feeling that you are a bit out of touch, Mr Smithson (Jr).
It’s most unusual that it’s happening at the same time. What an eerie coincidence! It’s almost as if there’s some kind of government policy to de-industrialise.
and hows that different to when PSA closed their factory in Coventry and transferred all the production to Slovakia in 2006 ?
We'll have to give you that that wasn't anything to do with Brexit. But why do you bring it up?
I bring it up because factory closures in automotive downturns are the norm and because factory closures have been the nrom when in the EU. Those yelliing loudest are the same people who told people in the Midlands and North to suck it up and then got sulky when large swathes of the industrial belt voted out.
Factory closures are a normal part of business life. It's a competitive world. The point about Brexit is it makes us less competitive, so factory closures will result. And are doing.
This self evident truth is hotly denied by Mr Alanbrooke who spends all his time complaining about the decline of manufacturing while supporting a policy that fucks manufacturing.
the policies that facked manufacturing have been in place for the last 20 years, Brexit is simply one of the consequences.
Ironically, I agree with you. Just disagree vigorously that Brexit is gonna help.
In fact, I see little from either Leave OR Remain on any practical thinking post-Brexit to address the long neglect of manufacturing in this country.
Short term Brexit isnt going to help, thats not the first time Ive said that either. Longer term I remain more optimistic since it will crash the system which ignores large swathes of the UK and as you have rightly pointed out force people to address more of our underlying problems,
Manufacturing to be clear will be lucky to hold on to jobs as greater automation takes over UK politicians bar a bit of window dressing havent even got their heads round what they need to do,
It's thousands of jobs - As I will continually repeat there is 1 model not being mentioned in any reporting that is due to be launched later this year yet has been delayed...
That model is also 10 years old and far better cars have been recently launched in that market segment which is why sales of it are rapidly falling
Spy shots of the new Juke were in the auto press last week.
Yes and it should have been launched in Geneva - it's not. Equally where is it being built?
It's thousands of jobs - As I will continually repeat there is 1 model not being mentioned in any reporting that is due to be launched later this year yet has been delayed...
That model is also 10 years old and far better cars have been recently launched in that market segment which is why sales of it are rapidly falling
Spy shots of the new Juke were in the auto press last week.
Yes and it should have been launched in Geneva - it's not. Equally where is it being built?
If they want to meet the launch deadline of mid 2019 then it can only be built here. If they announce another delay of 12 to 18 months to that it may be built in Spain.
and hows that different to when PSA closed their factory in Coventry and transferred all the production to Slovakia in 2006 ?
We'll have to give you that that wasn't anything to do with Brexit. But why do you bring it up?
I bring it up because factory closures in automotive downturns are the norm and because factory closures have been the nrom when in the EU. Those yelliing loudest are the same people who told people in the Midlands and North to suck it up and then got sulky when large swathes of the industrial belt voted out.
Factory closures are a normal part of business life. It's a competitive world. The point about Brexit is it makes us less competitive, so factory closures will result. And are doing.
This self evident truth is hotly denied by Mr Alanbrooke who spends all his time complaining about the decline of manufacturing while supporting a policy that fucks manufacturing.
the policies that facked manufacturing have been in place for the last 20 years, Brexit is simply one of the consequences.
Ironically, I agree with you. Just disagree vigorously that Brexit is gonna help.
In fact, I see little from either Leave OR Remain on any practical thinking post-Brexit to address the long neglect of manufacturing in this country.
Short term Brexit isnt going to help, thats not the first time Ive said that either. Longer term I remain more optimistic since it will crash the system which ignores large swathes of the UK and as you have rightly pointed out force people to address more of our underlying problems,
Manufacturing to be clear will be lucky to hold on to jobs as greater automation takes over UK politicians bar a bit of window dressing havent even got their heads round what they need to do,
Even if we dispense with manual labour altogether, manufacturing will still be influenced by economies of scale. So if we are outside the biggest and richest single market in the world rather than inside it we are going to be less competitive.
I don't think the allegations against Trudeau are any more than made against Trump and even if he did act wrongly the actions were to save thousands of jobs
and hows that different to when PSA closed their factory in Coventry and transferred all the production to Slovakia in 2006 ?
We'll have to give you that that wasn't anything to do with Brexit. But why do you bring it up?
I bring it up because factory closures in automotive downturns are the norm and because factory closures have been the nrom when in the EU. Those yelliing loudest are the same people who told people in the Midlands and North to suck it up and then got sulky when large swathes of the industrial belt voted out.
Factory closures are a normal part of business life. It's a competitive world. The point about Brexit is it makes us less competitive, so factory closures will result. And are doing.
This self evident truth is hotly denied by Mr Alanbrooke who spends all his time complaining about the decline of manufacturing while supporting a policy that fucks manufacturing.
the policies that facked manufacturing have been in place for the last 20 years, Brexit is simply one of the consequences.
Ironically, I agree with you. Just disagree vigorously that Brexit is gonna help.
In fact, I see little from either Leave OR Remain on any practical thinking post-Brexit to address the long neglect of manufacturing in this country.
Short term Brexit isnt going to help, thats no need to do,
Even if we dispense with manual labour altogether, manufacturing will still be influenced by economies of scale. So if we are outside the biggest and richest single market in the world rather than inside it we are going to be less competitive.
No manufacturing is increasingly head towards customised manufacture as increased IT use leads to greater flexibility. Batch sizes of 1 may become a future norm
To run that you need a highly skilled work force and po0licies designed to reduce fixed costs to a minimum.
It's thousands of jobs - As I will continually repeat there is 1 model not being mentioned in any reporting that is due to be launched later this year yet has been delayed...
That model is also 10 years old and far better cars have been recently launched in that market segment which is why sales of it are rapidly falling
Spy shots of the new Juke were in the auto press last week.
Yes and it should have been launched in Geneva - it's not. Equally where is it being built?
If they want to meet the launch deadline of mid 2019 then it can only be built here. If they announce another delay of 12 to 18 months to that it may be built in Spain.
I don't think the allegations against Trudeau are any more than made against Trump and even if he did act wrongly the actions were to save thousands of jobs
Would it be ok to act wrongly to save merely hundreds of jobs? How wrong is it ok to be to save hundreds of thousands of jobs?
Certainly we are generally content to look the other way in working with horrible people and places, possibly with plenty of bribery, for the sake of jobs, but given you are very explicit that it is ok to act wrongly for that reason, I do think we should know just how wrong it is ok to be for how much.
It’s most unusual that it’s happening at the same time. What an eerie coincidence! It’s almost as if there’s some kind of government policy to de-industrialise.
Mr. Divvie, are you suggesting that declining diesel sales and the EU-Japan FTA have had no impact?
You might argue that the UK (perhaps) leaving the EU is the biggest factor, but pretending the others don't exist or are negligible is wearing blinkers.
There are multiple factors.
Anyone who says that Brexit is the only one is deluded. Anyone who claims "it's nothing to do with Brexit" is deluded.
The good news is that it's now possible to tell who are the complete idiots on here, by their refusal to admit that the real world is a complex place.
Perhaps along with those who thought they were voting for Norway ?
Disappointing news from Nissan. MPs need to get on and sign the WA.
Mps aren't going to sign it - that's been obvious for a while. May needs (at a minimum) more Labour rebels than ERG members who still vote against and there isn't going to be enough of those.
Disappointing news from Nissan. MPs need to get on and sign the WA.
Mps aren't going to sign it - that's been obvious for a while. May needs (at a minimum) more Labour rebels than ERG members who still vote against and there isn't going to be enough of those.
It's as it has been for a long time - no deal or revoke. If pushing it right to the March deadline isn't enough to scare enough Lab rebels or ERG to back the deal then nothing is going to.
Disappointing news from Nissan. MPs need to get on and sign the WA.
Mps aren't going to sign it - that's been obvious for a while. May needs (at a minimum) more Labour rebels than ERG members who still vote against and there isn't going to be enough of those.
It's as it has been for a long time - no deal or revoke. If pushing it right to the March deadline isn't enough to scare enough Lab rebels or ERG to back the deal then nothing is going to.
Wouldn't it be Delay? May's style is to kick the can down the road whenever she can, and it's likely the EU would accept that rather than take the hit of No Deal.
Brexit isn’t the only issue facing car makers but it can turn a viable operation into a non viable one .
Much depends on the future trading relationship but given the long lead times for investment decisions having to be made now can’t rely on hope versus reality .
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But when you start claiming someone is a paedophile, them - well - you better be right. As Katie Hopkins discovered, going round slandering people can really screw your life up. (And, if you are caught, apologise profusely, and offer money to charity. Basically, a quick "sorry" can save you from bankruptcy and all that entails.)
These devices, at this early stage of the investigation, appear capable of igniting an initially small fire when opened.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-47457477
Anyone who says that Brexit is the only one is deluded. Anyone who claims "it's nothing to do with Brexit" is deluded.
The good news is that it's now possible to tell who are the complete idiots on here, by their refusal to admit that the real world is a complex place.
Maybe it'll be closer than 150, but it wont pass, not even close. MPs would still rarger avoid than decide.
The main beneficiaries of a free trade deal with the US would be poor people in cities, who would get cheaper food.
The main losers of a deal would be people who live or work in the countryside, who would find themselves competing with people with lower cost bases (largely due to lower farm standards).
The former group are in opposition, and are vehemently opposed to any kind of FTA with "Trump's America". The latter group are in government, and are desperate for a deal.
Ultimately, I can't see rural Conservative MPs voting for a US FTA that includes unfettered access for agricultural products. So, we can debate it all we like, but it 'ain't happening.
It's not a view unique to labour of course but it's quite pressing for them at present.
However, when my witnesses for my employer clients say that harassment was just "banter" before the employment tribunal then I generally advise them to throw in the towel as the tribunal invariably takes it as an admission. I've no doubt that, if he had bothered submitting it, the defence that he offers here would have been held similarly by the High Court - but I'm not a defamaton lawyer.
However the role-call of deniers is legion.
This bizarre notion seems to be the core of your whole philosophy.
That model is also 10 years old and far better cars have been recently launched in that market segment which is why sales of it are rapidly falling
We're still a lot better than Italy and France mind, although the ILO hasn't updated the data to reflect recent progress in France.
apparently Anthem is capable of not merely crashing but sometimes bricking PS4 consoles. So, you might want to forgo that particular game. Or take a bit of a risk.
Edited extra bit: best of luck, Mr. 1000. Any hints?
but then Ive been on this board much longer than you
https://youtu.be/zo80AlMzh6c
The many millions who despise him would hunt him down with rotten vegetables and stinking eggs.
Whatever, Blair has reaffirmed he is Labour, so he would be standing under Labour colours, not as a black and yellow stripey animal.
multinats have had a 15% currency devaluation boost since the end of 2015
the competitive issue has morte to do with ease of closure UK sites compared to others and the fact that the UK government has no policies for industry and UK managers dont like to invest
The Liberal by-election machine was then well oiled and ready to roll. That made Shirley Willaims's job much easier.
The TIGgers have not yet reached any deal (why should the stronger, better organised party stand aside?) and the LibDem by-election machine is now rather rusty.
2. "Why are you closing the factory?"
Just disagree vigorously that Brexit is gonna help.
In fact, I see little from either Leave OR Remain on any practical thinking post-Brexit to address the long neglect of manufacturing in this country.
Jesus Christ.
You know who was behind the tainted legal process?
The Jews.
I wish satire wasn't this easy.
Manufacturing to be clear will be lucky to hold on to jobs as greater automation takes over UK politicians bar a bit of window dressing havent even got their heads round what they need to do,
I think it was Hannah Arendt who said one should always actually listen to what fascists say and write, and take it at face value.
On that advise, you are likely correct.
Grim times.
And difficult to believe the Labour party of all entities is hatching this terrible virus.
I’ve been prepared for that for a while.
inter Irish trade is less than the turnover of Nissan Sunderland
Big hugs for all those who had already pinned this on the Muslims.
https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1102993361345171456
The natives kept on staring at me.
I don't think they were paying attention to my Louis Vuitton loafers.
Secondly, I hope you're not going to start cheering on terrorism because you don't like Brexit.
in a nutshell thats why a lot of people voted to Leave
While eating a pineapple pizza.
To run that you need a highly skilled work force and po0licies designed to reduce fixed costs to a minimum.
Certainly we are generally content to look the other way in working with horrible people and places, possibly with plenty of bribery, for the sake of jobs, but given you are very explicit that it is ok to act wrongly for that reason, I do think we should know just how wrong it is ok to be for how much.
If they support a no deal then that confirms they don’t give a toss for the people in NI .
https://twitter.com/DavidJMunro/status/1102708107967430658
https://twitter.com/CharChirico/status/1102192974396645376
Much depends on the future trading relationship but given the long lead times for investment decisions having to be made now can’t rely on hope versus reality .