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This morning the Peterborough MP Fiona Onasanya, who won the seat for LAB from CON at GE2017, lost her appeal against her conviction and is now facing recall petition. This was a process introduced by Nick Clegg during the coalition and allows constituents to demand that their MP be recalled provided that 10% of the total numbers on the electoral in the constituency demand one and one of a number of conditions is met.

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GIN1138

Nick Clegg Rocks!!!!!!!

dyedwoolie

Lump on the tiggers if they are registered in time

GIN1138

dyedwoolie said:

Lump on the tiggers if they are registered in time

Tiggers split Lab vote and Con wins.

Been here before...

RobD

dyedwoolie said:

Lump on the tiggers if they are registered in time

Splitters!

AlastairMeeks

There look to be at least six Leave-leaning parties standing in Peterborough, should there be a by-election. Labour should keep the seat comfortably.

RobD

GIN1138 said:

Nick Clegg Rocks!!!!!!!

Cleggasm?

Sean_F

Presumably, she'll run as an independent, in order to get severance pay.

dyedwoolie

GIN1138 said:

dyedwoolie said:

Lump on the tiggers if they are registered in time

Tiggers split Lab vote and Con wins.

Been here before...

Disagree. Brexit fallout, anti semitism and Vince's inability to inspire cats to sleep. Something new, by election, punish the establishment, first run out for the bouncers. Tigger 40%

Pulpstar

Sean_F said:

Presumably, she'll run as an independent, in order to get severance pay.

Completely shameless, but worth a few quid. So yes, she will.

MaxPB

AlastairMeeks said:

There look to be at least six Leave-leaning parties standing in Peterborough, should there be a by-election. Labour should keep the seat comfortably.

Are Labour not part of that six?

dyedwoolie

Peterborough is Crosby

YBarddCwsc

dyedwoolie said:

Peterborough is Crosby

This is deluded. The TIGgers are not going to sweep Brexit-y Peterborough or Newport West.

Two lost deposits is much more likely.

GIN1138

dyedwoolie said:

GIN1138 said:

dyedwoolie said:

Lump on the tiggers if they are registered in time

Tiggers split Lab vote and Con wins.

Been here before...

Disagree. Brexit fallout, anti semitism and Vince's inability to inspire cats to sleep. Something new, by election, punish the establishment, first run out for the bouncers. Tigger 40%

Maybe they'll go for a high profile/celeb candidate?

YBarddCwsc

MaxPB said:

AlastairMeeks said:

There look to be at least six Leave-leaning parties standing in Peterborough, should there be a by-election. Labour should keep the seat comfortably.

Are Labour not part of that six?

I am sure that the Labour party will have a Brexit-y candidate for Peterborough.

Pulpstar

dyedwoolie said:

Peterborough is Crosby

Eh ?

tlg86

Pulpstar said:

dyedwoolie said:

Peterborough is Crosby

Eh ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1981_Crosby_by-election

Gardenwalker

Oh dear.

“Leading” Brexit thinker Pete North is doubling down against AC Grayling, despite having just been fined £20k for libellous accusations of paedophilia.

http://peterjnorth.blogspot.com/2019/03/noncegate-revisited.html

ralphmalph

GIN1138 said:

dyedwoolie said:

GIN1138 said:

dyedwoolie said:

Lump on the tiggers if they are registered in time

Tiggers split Lab vote and Con wins.

Been here before...

Disagree. Brexit fallout, anti semitism and Vince's inability to inspire cats to sleep. Something new, by election, punish the establishment, first run out for the bouncers. Tigger 40%

Maybe they'll go for a high profile/celeb candidate?

Is it time for Eddie Izzard to finally win something that is voted on?

tlg86

Gardenwalker said:

Oh dear.

“Leading” Brexit thinker Pete North is doubling down against AC Grayling, despite having just been fined £20k for libellous accusations of paedophilia.

http://peterjnorth.blogspot.com/2019/03/noncegate-revisited.html

What happens if he doesn't cough up the money?

dyedwoolie

YBarddCwsc said:

dyedwoolie said:

Peterborough is Crosby

This is deluded. The TIGgers are not going to sweep Brexit-y Peterborough or Newport West.

Two lost deposits is much more likely.

The by election will either be after Brexit or after whatever way we are leaving is decided. It will not be a Brexit by election, although the nature of our departure might cost the blues 10% or so of remain minded blues

Gardenwalker

tlg86 said:

Gardenwalker said:

Oh dear.

“Leading” Brexit thinker Pete North is doubling down against AC Grayling, despite having just been fined £20k for libellous accusations of paedophilia.

http://peterjnorth.blogspot.com/2019/03/noncegate-revisited.html

What happens if he doesn't cough up the money?

I don’t know. Contempt of court?

Also, there’s this:

As to my legal obligations as per the judgement, I make no promises that I won't take the piss out of AC Grayling ever again, though his total insignificance probably means I have bigger fish to fry. As far as an apology goes, I will never apologise for taking the mick out of public lunatics - especially leaders of political campaigns - but I can at least understand how a man who looks and sounds like Grayling would be sensitive to the inference that he is a paedophile.

GIN1138

ralphmalph said:

GIN1138 said:

dyedwoolie said:

GIN1138 said:

dyedwoolie said:

Lump on the tiggers if they are registered in time

Tiggers split Lab vote and Con wins.

Been here before...

Disagree. Brexit fallout, anti semitism and Vince's inability to inspire cats to sleep. Something new, by election, punish the establishment, first run out for the bouncers. Tigger 40%

Maybe they'll go for a high profile/celeb candidate?

Is it time for Eddie Izzard to finally win something that is voted on?

Isn't Eddie committed to Jezza?

Pulpstar

Gardenwalker said:

tlg86 said:

Gardenwalker said:

Oh dear.

“Leading” Brexit thinker Pete North is doubling down against AC Grayling, despite having just been fined £20k for libellous accusations of paedophilia.

http://peterjnorth.blogspot.com/2019/03/noncegate-revisited.html

What happens if he doesn't cough up the money?

I don’t know. Contempt of court?

Also, there’s this:

As to my legal obligations as per the judgement, I make no promises that I won't take the piss out of AC Grayling ever again, though his total insignificance probably means I have bigger fish to fry. As far as an apology goes, I will never apologise for taking the mick out of public lunatics - especially leaders of political campaigns - but I can at least understand how a man who looks and sounds like Grayling would be sensitive to the inference that he is a paedophile.

Grayling should try and double up !

DougSeal

Gardenwalker said:

tlg86 said:

Gardenwalker said:

Oh dear.

“Leading” Brexit thinker Pete North is doubling down against AC Grayling, despite having just been fined £20k for libellous accusations of paedophilia.

http://peterjnorth.blogspot.com/2019/03/noncegate-revisited.html

What happens if he doesn't cough up the money?

I don’t know. Contempt of court?

Also, there’s this:

As to my legal obligations as per the judgement, I make no promises that I won't take the piss out of AC Grayling ever again, though his total insignificance probably means I have bigger fish to fry. As far as an apology goes, I will never apologise for taking the mick out of public lunatics - especially leaders of political campaigns - but I can at least understand how a man who looks and sounds like Grayling would be sensitive to the inference that he is a paedophile.

Grayling will bankrupt him if he doesn't pay. It's not a "fine" it's damages. It's now a debt that he has admitted he can't pay so, if that's true, the logical next step is to petition for his bankruptcy.

OldKingCole

Sean_F said:

Presumably, she'll run as an independent, in order to get severance pay.

Surely she won't get much; only been in the House five minutes.

Anyone else recall Willie Hamilton, the republican Scottish Labour MP for Fife Central who was replaced as candidate on reaching 70, then realised if he didn't fight an election he'd lose money. So he fought South Hams, a safe Tory seat, now divided between Totnes and West Devon, but because he fought was classed as a defeated MP and picked up some cash.
To be fair, AIUI, he wasn't by any means a wealthy man.

williamglenn

DougSeal said:

Gardenwalker said:

tlg86 said:

Gardenwalker said:

Oh dear.

“Leading” Brexit thinker Pete North is doubling down against AC Grayling, despite having just been fined £20k for libellous accusations of paedophilia.

http://peterjnorth.blogspot.com/2019/03/noncegate-revisited.html

What happens if he doesn't cough up the money?

I don’t know. Contempt of court?

Also, there’s this:

As to my legal obligations as per the judgement, I make no promises that I won't take the piss out of AC Grayling ever again, though his total insignificance probably means I have bigger fish to fry. As far as an apology goes, I will never apologise for taking the mick out of public lunatics - especially leaders of political campaigns - but I can at least understand how a man who looks and sounds like Grayling would be sensitive to the inference that he is a paedophile.

Grayling will bankrupt him if he doesn't pay. It's not a "fine" it's damages. It's now a debt that he has admitted he can't pay so, if that's true, the logical next step is to petition for his bankruptcy.

Would it be up to Grayling to pursue or would the courts chase him for the money anyway?

Andrew

AC Grayling is a complete tosser, but casually chucking out fake accusations of paedophilia is pretty repulsive. No sympathy.

Sean_F

tlg86 said:

Gardenwalker said:

Oh dear.

“Leading” Brexit thinker Pete North is doubling down against AC Grayling, despite having just been fined £20k for libellous accusations of paedophilia.

http://peterjnorth.blogspot.com/2019/03/noncegate-revisited.html

What happens if he doesn't cough up the money?

He can be made bankrupt, although he may be a man of straw.

Recidivist

DougSeal said:

Gardenwalker said:

tlg86 said:

Gardenwalker said:

Oh dear.

“Leading” Brexit thinker Pete North is doubling down against AC Grayling, despite having just been fined £20k for libellous accusations of paedophilia.

http://peterjnorth.blogspot.com/2019/03/noncegate-revisited.html

What happens if he doesn't cough up the money?

I don’t know. Contempt of court?

Also, there’s this:

As to my legal obligations as per the judgement, I make no promises that I won't take the piss out of AC Grayling ever again, though his total insignificance probably means I have bigger fish to fry. As far as an apology goes, I will never apologise for taking the mick out of public lunatics - especially leaders of political campaigns - but I can at least understand how a man who looks and sounds like Grayling would be sensitive to the inference that he is a paedophile.

Grayling will bankrupt him if he doesn't pay. It's not a "fine" it's damages. It's now a debt that he has admitted he can't pay so, if that's true, the logical next step is to petition for his bankruptcy.

Well that will be one bankruptcy that nobody can say wasn't anything to do with Brexit.

Sean_F

williamglenn said:

DougSeal said:

Gardenwalker said:

tlg86 said:

Gardenwalker said:

Oh dear.

“Leading” Brexit thinker Pete North is doubling down against AC Grayling, despite having just been fined £20k for libellous accusations of paedophilia.

http://peterjnorth.blogspot.com/2019/03/noncegate-revisited.html

What happens if he doesn't cough up the money?

I don’t know. Contempt of court?

Also, there’s this:

As to my legal obligations as per the judgement, I make no promises that I won't take the piss out of AC Grayling ever again, though his total insignificance probably means I have bigger fish to fry. As far as an apology goes, I will never apologise for taking the mick out of public lunatics - especially leaders of political campaigns - but I can at least understand how a man who looks and sounds like Grayling would be sensitive to the inference that he is a paedophile.

Grayling will bankrupt him if he doesn't pay. It's not a "fine" it's damages. It's now a debt that he has admitted he can't pay so, if that's true, the logical next step is to petition for his bankruptcy.

Would it be up to Grayling to pursue or would the courts chase him for the money anyway?

It's up to Grayling.

Theuniondivvie

Gardenwalker said:

Oh dear.

“Leading” Brexit thinker Pete North is doubling down against AC Grayling, despite having just been fined £20k for libellous accusations of paedophilia.

http://peterjnorth.blogspot.com/2019/03/noncegate-revisited.html

The Musk gambit, not recommended unless one is a multi billionaire.

DougSeal

williamglenn said:

DougSeal said:

Gardenwalker said:

tlg86 said:

Gardenwalker said:

Oh dear.

“Leading” Brexit thinker Pete North is doubling down against AC Grayling, despite having just been fined £20k for libellous accusations of paedophilia.

http://peterjnorth.blogspot.com/2019/03/noncegate-revisited.html

What happens if he doesn't cough up the money?

I don’t know. Contempt of court?

Also, there’s this:

As to my legal obligations as per the judgement, I make no promises that I won't take the piss out of AC Grayling ever again, though his total insignificance probably means I have bigger fish to fry. As far as an apology goes, I will never apologise for taking the mick out of public lunatics - especially leaders of political campaigns - but I can at least understand how a man who looks and sounds like Grayling would be sensitive to the inference that he is a paedophile.

Grayling will bankrupt him if he doesn't pay. It's not a "fine" it's damages. It's now a debt that he has admitted he can't pay so, if that's true, the logical next step is to petition for his bankruptcy.

Would it be up to Grayling to pursue or would the courts chase him for the money anyway?

It's up to Grayling. The judgment is effectively a piece of paper proving that North owes him money. There are various enforcement routes to go through before he gets him before the bankruptcy court.

ralphmalph

DougSeal said:

williamglenn said:

DougSeal said:

Gardenwalker said:

tlg86 said:

Gardenwalker said:

Oh dear.

“Leading” Brexit thinker Pete North is doubling down against AC Grayling, despite having just been fined £20k for libellous accusations of paedophilia.

http://peterjnorth.blogspot.com/2019/03/noncegate-revisited.html

What happens if he doesn't cough up the money?

I don’t know. Contempt of court?

Also, there’s this:

As to my legal obligations as per the judgement, I make no promises that I won't take the piss out of AC Grayling ever again, though his total insignificance probably means I have bigger fish to fry. As far as an apology goes, I will never apologise for taking the mick out of public lunatics - especially leaders of political campaigns - but I can at least understand how a man who looks and sounds like Grayling would be sensitive to the inference that he is a paedophile.

Grayling will bankrupt him if he doesn't pay. It's not a "fine" it's damages. It's now a debt that he has admitted he can't pay so, if that's true, the logical next step is to petition for his bankruptcy.

Would it be up to Grayling to pursue or would the courts chase him for the money anyway?

It's up to Grayling. The judgment is effectively a piece of paper proving that North owes him money. There are various enforcement routes to go through before he gets him before the bankruptcy court.

Does Grayling have to pay his legal bills whilst chasing Mr North?

Sean_F

Theuniondivvie said:

Gardenwalker said:

Oh dear.

“Leading” Brexit thinker Pete North is doubling down against AC Grayling, despite having just been fined £20k for libellous accusations of paedophilia.

http://peterjnorth.blogspot.com/2019/03/noncegate-revisited.html

The Musk gambit, not recommended unless one is a multi billionaire.

Or you have no assets that are available to creditors.

DougSeal

ralphmalph said:

DougSeal said:

williamglenn said:

DougSeal said:

Gardenwalker said:

tlg86 said:

Gardenwalker said:

Oh dear.

“Leading” Brexit thinker Pete North is doubling down against AC Grayling, despite having just been fined £20k for libellous accusations of paedophilia.

http://peterjnorth.blogspot.com/2019/03/noncegate-revisited.html

What happens if he doesn't cough up the money?

I don’t know. Contempt of court?

Also, there’s this:

As to my legal obligations as per the judgement, I make no promises that I won't take the piss out of AC Grayling ever again, though his total insignificance probably means I have bigger fish to fry. As far as an apology goes, I will never apologise for taking the mick out of public lunatics - especially leaders of political campaigns - but I can at least understand how a man who looks and sounds like Grayling would be sensitive to the inference that he is a paedophile.

Grayling will bankrupt him if he doesn't pay. It's not a "fine" it's damages. It's now a debt that he has admitted he can't pay so, if that's true, the logical next step is to petition for his bankruptcy.

Would it be up to Grayling to pursue or would the courts chase him for the money anyway?

It's up to Grayling. The judgment is effectively a piece of paper proving that North owes him money. There are various enforcement routes to go through before he gets him before the bankruptcy court.

Does Grayling has to pay his legal bills whilst chasing Mr North?

Probably. Depends on the terms of the engagement (a contract) between Grayling and his solicitors.

Sean_F

ralphmalph said:

DougSeal said:

williamglenn said:

DougSeal said:

Gardenwalker said:

tlg86 said:

Gardenwalker said:

Oh dear.

“Leading” Brexit thinker Pete North is doubling down against AC Grayling, despite having just been fined £20k for libellous accusations of paedophilia.

http://peterjnorth.blogspot.com/2019/03/noncegate-revisited.html

What happens if he doesn't cough up the money?

I don’t know. Contempt of court?

Also, there’s this:

As to my legal obligations as per the judgement, I make no promises that I won't take the piss out of AC Grayling ever again, though his total insignificance probably means I have bigger fish to fry. As far as an apology goes, I will never apologise for taking the mick out of public lunatics - especially leaders of political campaigns - but I can at least understand how a man who looks and sounds like Grayling would be sensitive to the inference that he is a paedophile.

Grayling will bankrupt him if he doesn't pay. It's not a "fine" it's damages. It's now a debt that he has admitted he can't pay so, if that's true, the logical next step is to petition for his bankruptcy.

Would it be up to Grayling to pursue or would the courts chase him for the money anyway?

It's up to Grayling. The judgment is effectively a piece of paper proving that North owes him money. There are various enforcement routes to go through before he gets him before the bankruptcy court.

Does Grayling have to pay his legal bills whilst chasing Mr North?

Yes, unless he has very generous solicitors.

CarlottaVance

https://twitter.com/Jacob_Rees_Mogg/status/1102965657392611328

Scott_P

https://twitter.com/Banxcartoons/status/1102966458143948800

TOPPING

CarlottaVance said:

https://twitter.com/Jacob_Rees_Mogg/status/1102965657392611328

I would hope that all Tory Party members who condone Islamophobia have already fucked off to EDL/UKIP/BNP

CarlottaVance

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/Banxcartoons/status/1102966458143948800

But the Salade au Chlorine is still on....

DougSeal

Thinking about it, with a judgment under his belt showing that the earlier tweet was defamatory, Grayling could claim that the latest blog post by North is part of a "course of conduct" which causes him to suffer alarm, anxiety and/or distress, thus creating scope for an injunction restraining North under the Protection from Harassment Act, or even a report to the police.

Gardenwalker

In news that will shock nobody, Brexiters just keep lying.

https://twitter.com/brexit/status/1102888826857414656?s=21

Stark_Dawning

Gardenwalker said:

Oh dear.

“Leading” Brexit thinker Pete North is doubling down against AC Grayling, despite having just been fined £20k for libellous accusations of paedophilia.

http://peterjnorth.blogspot.com/2019/03/noncegate-revisited.html

Why do I know the name Pete North? My recollection is that it's from a couple of years ago and he said something very embarrassing about Brexit.

Morris_Dancer

Islamophobia is a daft term because it conflates two ideas, one of which is abhorrent, and the other of which is essential for free expression in a democracy.

The former is the practice of discriminating against people based on their religion, which is obviously wrong. The latter is allowing intellectual questioning, satire, and so forth about an idea (which happens to be religious).

Foxy

CarlottaVance said:

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/Banxcartoons/status/1102966458143948800

But the Salade au Chlorine is still on....

Funny that you mention that:

https://twitter.com/BpsmithUk/status/1101994462971088896?s=19

The reason that Chlorine chicken is dangerous is not the chlorine, it is the substandard hygiene necessitating chlorine:

https://twitter.com/BpsmithUk/status/1101925348726489088?s=19

AlastairMeeks

Morris_Dancer said:

Islamophobia is a daft term because it conflates two ideas, one of which is abhorrent, and the other of which is essential for free expression in a democracy.

The former is the practice of discriminating against people based on their religion, which is obviously wrong. The latter is allowing intellectual questioning, satire, and so forth about an idea (which happens to be religious).

So you would disapprove of whipping up untrue fears of millions of Muslims being poised to descend on the UK?

Theuniondivvie

Top excuses that aren't Brexit?

Diesel.
They wuz going to do it anyway.
EU-Japan free trade deal.
Global uncertainty.

Any more?

https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1102965059611955200

eek

Gardenwalker said:

In news that will shock nobody, Brexiters just keep lying.

https://twitter.com/brexit/status/1102888826857414656?s=21

Could Journalists please ask for evidence to back up clearly fictional stories...

geoffw

CarlottaVance said:

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/Banxcartoons/status/1102966458143948800

But the Salade au Chlorine is still on....

And Salade au Chlore sounds enticing.

Gardenwalker

Theuniondivvie said:

Top excuses that aren't Brexit?

Diesel.
They wuz going to do it anyway.
EU-Japan free trade deal.
Global uncertainty.

Any more?

https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1102965059611955200

It’s most unusual that it’s happening at the same time. What an eerie coincidence!
It’s almost as if there’s some kind of government policy to de-industrialise.

TrèsDifficile

AlastairMeeks said:

Morris_Dancer said:

Islamophobia is a daft term because it conflates two ideas, one of which is abhorrent, and the other of which is essential for free expression in a democracy.

The former is the practice of discriminating against people based on their religion, which is obviously wrong. The latter is allowing intellectual questioning, satire, and so forth about an idea (which happens to be religious).

So you would disapprove of whipping up untrue fears of millions of Muslims being poised to descend on the UK?

I'd certainly consider them to be ascending rather than descending here, if they're on their way from Erdogan's Turkey.

AndyJS

My prediction would be that the recall petition will be successful and Labour will lose the seat at the by-election, but it's difficult to forecast which party will win it.

eek

Gardenwalker said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Top excuses that aren't Brexit?

Diesel.
They wuz going to do it anyway.
EU-Japan free trade deal.
Global uncertainty.

Any more?

https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1102965059611955200

It’s most unusual that it’s happening at the same time. What an eerie coincidence!
It’s almost as if there’s some kind of government policy to de-industrialise.

Didn't I mention a while back that production of the next generation Juke has been delayed 6 months and I cannot find any evidence of commitment that the next version will be built in Sunderland...

OblitusSumMe

Sean_F said:

Presumably, she'll run as an independent, in order to get severance pay.

She would need to find ten people in the constituency willing to sign her nomination papers. In the circumstances I hope that she finds that difficult.

MarqueeMark

OblitusSumMe said:

Sean_F said:

Presumably, she'll run as an independent, in order to get severance pay.

She would need to find ten people in the constituency willing to sign her nomination papers. In the circumstances I hope that she finds that difficult.

There must be 10 Russians passing through.....

CarlottaVance

Foxy said:

The reason that Chlorine chicken is dangerous is not the chlorine, it is the substandard hygiene necessitating chlorine:

Why are US Campylobacteriosis rates fractions of European ones?

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1198743X15010253

Complaints about US Chicken always focus on Salmonella and not Campylobacter......odd, that....

Sandpit

Sean_F said:

Presumably, she'll run as an independent, in order to get severance pay.

Surely that only applies if she is defeated at a normal election, rather than kicked out of the Commons and her seat vacated for gross misconduct?

Morris_Dancer

Mr. Divvie, are you suggesting that declining diesel sales and the EU-Japan FTA have had no impact?

You might argue that the UK (perhaps) leaving the EU is the biggest factor, but pretending the others don't exist or are negligible is wearing blinkers.

Nigel_Foremain

Gardenwalker said:

Oh dear.

“Leading” Brexit thinker Pete North is doubling down against AC Grayling, despite having just been fined £20k for libellous accusations of paedophilia.

http://peterjnorth.blogspot.com/2019/03/noncegate-revisited.html

"Brexit thinker"? !! Today's best oxymoron award.

rpjs

Foxy said:

CarlottaVance said:

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/Banxcartoons/status/1102966458143948800

But the Salade au Chlorine is still on....

Funny that you mention that:

twitter.com/BpsmithUk/status/1101994462971088896?s=19

The reason that Chlorine chicken is dangerous is not the chlorine, it is the substandard hygiene necessitating chlorine:

twitter.com/BpsmithUk/status/1101925348726489088?s=19

The quality of food here in the US, especially “fresh” meat, fish and vegetables in the supermarkets, is appalling. We can afford to buy a lot of our food from farmers’ markets but even that isn’t particularly good.

rcs1000

YBarddCwsc said:

dyedwoolie said:

Peterborough is Crosby

This is deluded. The TIGgers are not going to sweep Brexit-y Peterborough or Newport West.

Two lost deposits is much more likely.

In First Past the Post, they could win on a very modest vote share.

Imagine that the LibDems don't stand, but that there is Labour, Conservative, UKIP and the Brexit Party. This means that even if 70% of the electorate made clear their preference for Brexit, TIG could be elected on 30% of the vote.

Likely?

No. But perfectly possible. I'd want the LibDems to decide not to stand, and 8-1.

eristdoof

OldKingCole said:

Sean_F said:

Presumably, she'll run as an independent, in order to get severance pay.

Surely she won't get much; only been in the House five minutes.

Anyone else recall Willie Hamilton, the republican Scottish Labour MP for Fife Central who was replaced as candidate on reaching 70, then realised if he didn't fight an election he'd lose money. So he fought South Hams, a safe Tory seat, now divided between Totnes and West Devon, but because he fought was classed as a defeated MP and picked up some cash.
To be fair, AIUI, he wasn't by any means a wealthy man.

If this is the case then the rules are daft. It would seem sensible to give stepping down MPs over 65 or 67 or whatever the same pay off as defeated MPs. OR ... if there is some sort of retirement-payoff then you should not be able to double-dip by claiming that as well as a defeated MP dividend.

Nigel_Foremain

eek said:

Gardenwalker said:

In news that will shock nobody, Brexiters just keep lying.

https://twitter.com/brexit/status/1102888826857414656?s=21

Could Journalists please ask for evidence to back up clearly fictional stories...

It is quite depressing that we have to keep being reminded that the Tories once had a LoTO who is even thicker than Jeremy Corbyn.

williamglenn

https://twitter.com/channel4news/status/1102970041887346694?s=21

CarlottaVance

https://twitter.com/jillongovt/status/1102972746521370625

OldKingCole

eristdoof said:

OldKingCole said:

Sean_F said:

Presumably, she'll run as an independent, in order to get severance pay.

Surely she won't get much; only been in the House five minutes.

Anyone else recall Willie Hamilton, the republican Scottish Labour MP for Fife Central who was replaced as candidate on reaching 70, then realised if he didn't fight an election he'd lose money. So he fought South Hams, a safe Tory seat, now divided between Totnes and West Devon, but because he fought was classed as a defeated MP and picked up some cash.
To be fair, AIUI, he wasn't by any means a wealthy man.

If this is the case then the rules are daft. It would seem sensible to give stepping down MPs over 65 or 67 or whatever the same pay off as defeated MPs. OR ... if there is some sort of retirement-payoff then you should not be able to double-dip by claiming that as well as a defeated MP dividend.

Willie Hamilton was a while ago.1987. So the rules may have changed. Otherwise I agree with you.

kle4

CarlottaVance said:

https://twitter.com/jillongovt/status/1102972746521370625

At the least it may be closer than anyone might have predicted.

CarlottaVance

https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/1102969373055160321

sarissa

Theuniondivvie said:

Top excuses that aren't Brexit?

Diesel.
They wuz going to do it anyway.
EU-Japan free trade deal.
Global uncertainty.

Any more?

https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1102965059611955200

Climate change.
The Board wouldn't give me the resources I/we needed.
Don't blame us - we're Scots.

williamglenn

Gardenwalker said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Top excuses that aren't Brexit?

Diesel.
They wuz going to do it anyway.
EU-Japan free trade deal.
Global uncertainty.

Any more?

https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1102965059611955200

It’s most unusual that it’s happening at the same time. What an eerie coincidence!
It’s almost as if there’s some kind of government policy to de-industrialise.

More nothing to do with Brexit news.

https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/1102921190526590977?s=21

Sean_F

CarlottaVance said:

https://twitter.com/jillongovt/status/1102972746521370625

It warms one's heart when the self-righteous get caught with their trousers down.

CarlottaVance

Well, that turned out well.....

https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/1102973921949876229

https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/1102974837583163392

Morris_Dancer

Mr. F, it's a sad day for personkind.

justin124

rcs1000 said:

YBarddCwsc said:

dyedwoolie said:

Peterborough is Crosby

This is deluded. The TIGgers are not going to sweep Brexit-y Peterborough or Newport West.

Two lost deposits is much more likely.

In First Past the Post, they could win on a very modest vote share.

Imagine that the LibDems don't stand, but that there is Labour, Conservative, UKIP and the Brexit Party. This means that even if 70% of the electorate made clear their preference for Brexit, TIG could be elected on 30% of the vote.

Likely?

No. But perfectly possible. I'd want the LibDems to decide not to stand, and 8-1.

Any by election triggered will occur after Newport West and the Local Elections on 2nd May . TIG will not feature in either of those contests and I suspect that will make it difficult to gain momentum. Already they have largely disappeared from public view and the discussions with the Electoral Commission could well be an indication of panic .

kle4

Sean_F said:

CarlottaVance said:

https://twitter.com/jillongovt/status/1102972746521370625

It warms one's heart when the self-righteous get caught with their trousers down.

I hate it due to which side I'm on at the time.

OldKingCole

Just found a reference; Fiona Onasanya hasn't been an MP for two years so won't get severance pay. Presumably she'll get paid as an MP up to the time the petition is accepted, and that'll be that.

Nigelb

Gardenwalker said:

Oh dear.

“Leading” Brexit thinker Pete North is doubling down against AC Grayling, despite having just been fined £20k for libellous accusations of paedophilia.

http://peterjnorth.blogspot.com/2019/03/noncegate-revisited.html

‘Thinker’ is perhaps more deserving of your inverted commas.

Nigelb

Gardenwalker said:

In news that will shock nobody, Brexiters just keep lying.

https://twitter.com/brexit/status/1102888826857414656?s=21

To be fair, it’s also possible that he’s just immensely thick when it comes to figures.

kle4

justin124 said:

rcs1000 said:

YBarddCwsc said:

dyedwoolie said:

Peterborough is Crosby

This is deluded. The TIGgers are not going to sweep Brexit-y Peterborough or Newport West.

Two lost deposits is much more likely.

In First Past the Post, they could win on a very modest vote share.

Imagine that the LibDems don't stand, but that there is Labour, Conservative, UKIP and the Brexit Party. This means that even if 70% of the electorate made clear their preference for Brexit, TIG could be elected on 30% of the vote.

Likely?

No. But perfectly possible. I'd want the LibDems to decide not to stand, and 8-1.

Any by election triggered will occur after Newport West and the Local Elections on 2nd May . TIG will not feature in either of those contests and I suspect that will make it difficult to gain momentum. Already they have largely disappeared from public view and the discussions with the Electoral Commission could well be an indication of panic .

Their main function now is to serve as a warning to Corbyn. Don't push us too far or more will join the Tiggers Watson will say.

AndyJS

dyedwoolie said:

Peterborough is Crosby

Are you being ironic? The two places don't have much in common with each other demographically. Crosby has a lot of middle-class professionals, Peterborough doesn't, for instance.

Alanbrooke

williamglenn said:

Gardenwalker said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Top excuses that aren't Brexit?

Diesel.
They wuz going to do it anyway.
EU-Japan free trade deal.
Global uncertainty.

Any more?

https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1102965059611955200

It’s most unusual that it’s happening at the same time. What an eerie coincidence!
It’s almost as if there’s some kind of government policy to de-industrialise.

More nothing to do with Brexit news.

https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/1102921190526590977?s=21

and hows that different to when PSA closed their factory in Coventry and transferred all the production to Slovakia in 2006 ?

Sean_F

OldKingCole said:

Just found a reference; Fiona Onasanya hasn't been an MP for two years so won't get severance pay. Presumably she'll get paid as an MP up to the time the petition is accepted, and that'll be that.

By the time we get to a by-election, though, she'll probably have reached two years.

FrancisUrquhart

Explosive packages found at Heathrow, Waterloo and London City Airport

Counter-terror police are investigating three packages containing explosives found at Heathrow Airport, London City Airport and Waterloo station.

The "small improvised explosive devices" were found in A4 postal bags, the Metropolitan Police said.

OldKingCole

Sean_F said:

OldKingCole said:

Just found a reference; Fiona Onasanya hasn't been an MP for two years so won't get severance pay. Presumably she'll get paid as an MP up to the time the petition is accepted, and that'll be that.

By the time we get to a by-election, though, she'll probably have reached two years.

She'll have to last to 8th, possibly 9th of June, but I think the crucial point is when the seat is declared vacant, ie when the petition is accepted.

williamglenn

Alanbrooke said:

williamglenn said:

Gardenwalker said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Top excuses that aren't Brexit?

Diesel.
They wuz going to do it anyway.
EU-Japan free trade deal.
Global uncertainty.

Any more?

https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1102965059611955200

It’s most unusual that it’s happening at the same time. What an eerie coincidence!
It’s almost as if there’s some kind of government policy to de-industrialise.

More nothing to do with Brexit news.

https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/1102921190526590977?s=21

and hows that different to when PSA closed their factory in Coventry and transferred all the production to Slovakia in 2006 ?

They’re both examples showing the importance of the EU single market to car manufacturing.

CarlottaVance

Nick Cohen:

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/03/labours-anti-semitism-crisis-can-never-be-solved-under-corbyn/

Alanbrooke

williamglenn said:

Alanbrooke said:

williamglenn said:

Gardenwalker said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Top excuses that aren't Brexit?

Diesel.
They wuz going to do it anyway.
EU-Japan free trade deal.
Global uncertainty.

Any more?

https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1102965059611955200

It’s most unusual that it’s happening at the same time. What an eerie coincidence!
It’s almost as if there’s some kind of government policy to de-industrialise.

More nothing to do with Brexit news.

https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/1102921190526590977?s=21

and hows that different to when PSA closed their factory in Coventry and transferred all the production to Slovakia in 2006 ?

They’re both examples showing the importance of the EU single market to car manufacturing.

No theyre simply examples of how Anglo saxon unprotected labour rules are incompatible with the EU. The brits are always first to get shat on when multinats need to make pan European savings.

Brom

williamglenn said:

Alanbrooke said:

williamglenn said:

Gardenwalker said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Top excuses that aren't Brexit?

Diesel.
They wuz going to do it anyway.
EU-Japan free trade deal.
Global uncertainty.

Any more?

https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1102965059611955200

It’s most unusual that it’s happening at the same time. What an eerie coincidence!
It’s almost as if there’s some kind of government policy to de-industrialise.

More nothing to do with Brexit news.

https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/1102921190526590977?s=21

and hows that different to when PSA closed their factory in Coventry and transferred all the production to Slovakia in 2006 ?

They’re both examples showing the importance of the EU single market to car manufacturing.

Definitely shows the EU weren't working in Britain's interest that's for sure.

Sean_F

williamglenn said:

Alanbrooke said:

williamglenn said:

Gardenwalker said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Top excuses that aren't Brexit?

Diesel.
They wuz going to do it anyway.
EU-Japan free trade deal.
Global uncertainty.

Any more?

https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1102965059611955200

It’s most unusual that it’s happening at the same time. What an eerie coincidence!
It’s almost as if there’s some kind of government policy to de-industrialise.

More nothing to do with Brexit news.

https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/1102921190526590977?s=21

and hows that different to when PSA closed their factory in Coventry and transferred all the production to Slovakia in 2006 ?

They’re both examples showing the importance of the EU single market to car manufacturing.

True. The impact of the Single Market can be benign, or it can be malign.

Gardenwalker

The usual gadflies have turned up to get their excuses in.

Recidivist

Alanbrooke said:

williamglenn said:

Gardenwalker said:

Theuniondivvie said:

Top excuses that aren't Brexit?

Diesel.
They wuz going to do it anyway.
EU-Japan free trade deal.
Global uncertainty.

Any more?

https://twitter.com/SkyNewsBreak/status/1102965059611955200

It’s most unusual that it’s happening at the same time. What an eerie coincidence!
It’s almost as if there’s some kind of government policy to de-industrialise.

More nothing to do with Brexit news.

https://twitter.com/itvnews/status/1102921190526590977?s=21

and hows that different to when PSA closed their factory in Coventry and transferred all the production to Slovakia in 2006 ?

We'll have to give you that that wasn't anything to do with Brexit. But why do you bring it up?

oxfordsimon

Yet another damning letter of resignation from a former close colleague of Corbyn

How can any sensible Labour member not follow suit and walk away from this toxic mess?

https://www.thejc.com/comment/comment/dear-jeremy-corbyn-richard-horton-resignation-letter-1.481017

Pulpstar

AndyJS said:

dyedwoolie said:

Peterborough is Crosby

Are you being ironic? The two places don't have much in common with each other demographically. Crosby has a lot of middle-class professionals, Peterborough doesn't, for instance.

Crosby has a nice sea front !

Scott_P

https://twitter.com/kitty_donaldson/status/1102979769472307200

agingjb

The analogy between Crosby and Peterborough, if it is intended to be an analogy between the SDP and the TIG, breaks down because there is no Shirley Williams figure, a supporter of the TIG who is a well known former MP. Or is there?

Scrapheap_as_was

CarlottaVance said:

Nick Cohen:

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/03/labours-anti-semitism-crisis-can-never-be-solved-under-corbyn/

appears to be calling for Lord Falconer to resign at the end of the piece...

now that would be unprecedented.

Sean_F

agingjb said:

The analogy between Crosby and Peterborough, if it is intended to be an analogy between the SDP and the TIG, breaks down because there is no Shirley Williams figure, a supporter of the TIG who is a well known former MP. Or is there?

Maybe Tony Blair could stand

williamglenn

agingjb said:

The analogy between Crosby and Peterborough, if it is intended to be an analogy between the SDP and the TIG, breaks down because there is no Shirley Williams figure, a supporter of the TIG who is a well known former MP. Or is there?

Ed Balls could stand as a TIGger?

AlastairMeeks

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/kitty_donaldson/status/1102979769472307200

Is there any real sign yet that a meaningful vote will be lost by less than 150?

Pulpstar

Sean_F said:

agingjb said:

The analogy between Crosby and Peterborough, if it is intended to be an analogy between the SDP and the TIG, breaks down because there is no Shirley Williams figure, a supporter of the TIG who is a well known former MP. Or is there?

Maybe Tony Blair could stand

I think if Farage and Blair both stood in Peterborough, Farage would get more votes.