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Any politician trying to assert that what they propose, as we enter the final month of Article 50 process, is the “will of the people” should be treated like a snake oil salesman.
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Bear in mind you are talking about people who can say with a straight face that holding a national plebiscite is the ultimate affront to democracy.0
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Yebbut mine was substantive (without editing)0
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This all depends on what people understand is meant by "access to the single market"?
Does that necessarily equate to membership, or is there a way that we can be outside and have some degree of preferential access?
I suppose you can argue that the offered alternative implies that Freedom of Movement would be the price of this access, which does suggest that it equates more or less to membership of the single market, but it is these sort of textual inconsistencies that have been a feature of the Brexit "debate".0 -
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From the header; I cannot find a similar poll from the immediate post-referendum period that looks as the expectations of voters at the time. One thing is clear – the idea of a no deal was not contemplated.
If the first sentence is true, how can the second sentence be true?0 -
I am still puzzled by how it is possible to be excessively opposed to antisemitism.
Williamson - either feck off and join the SWP or expect to be kicked out of the Labour Party.0 -
It is scary looking at this stuff how many people claim it is nothing more than a vast conspiracy against Project Messiah.rottenborough said:0 -
Who knew how many utter loons the UK has? Really depressing.FrancisUrquhart said:
It is scary looking at this stuff how many people claim it is nothing more than a vast conspiracy against Project Messiah.rottenborough said:0 -
If Tom Watson can’t find a way to get Chris Williamson suspended before the end of the day PMQs, then there’s probably a few more MPs resigning from the party today.0
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In other news....Pakistan airspace is closed to civilian traffic so many flights from the UK to South East Asia will be having longer tracks - looks like this morning's SQ LHR flight was turned back at the border and routed south of Pakistan and over the Gulf.
On topic - there is a small (10%?) minority of Brexit zealots who would be happy with 'no deal' - but nearly half the population (Remain voters) want to maintain close economic links with the EU, and most Leave voters are pretty agnostic on the matter and do want good relations with the EU afterwards - thats why May's deal is probably the least bad show in town.0 -
A bit of light jew-bating before lunch is ok by the sounds of it.SandyRentool said:I am still puzzled by how it is possible to be excessively opposed to antisemitism.
Williamson - either feck off and join the SWP or expect to be kicked out of the Labour Party.0 -
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We are 733 hours from Brexit-hour and the Labour Party needs an internal argument about whether it is more urgent to throw out Tony Blair than Chris Williamson like it needs to have a hole in the head.rottenborough said:Do it Labour.
https://twitter.com/liamyoung/status/1100391400217153536
I'd be surprised if this doesn't take hold for the next 36 hours.0 -
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Williamson loses whip? Is this the moment Labour finally implodes on its own contradictions and huge cavernous divide?0
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And where is Jezza in all of this. Leadership and all that.rottenborough said:0 -
On topic. Mike is absolutely right. It wasn't just the Comres polling that showed this view either. YouGov in June 2016, just prior to the referendum, also showed 42% of Leave voters prioritising Single Market access over restricting immigration.0
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Be interesting to see how many of them clapping have spent years door knocking and doing leaflets, rather than just joining for £3 to support Jezza and attack jews.Scott_P said:0 -
OTOH a Grand Bargain where you threw out both of them would be unifying and catharticOblitusSumMe said:
We are 733 hours from Brexit-hour and the Labour Party needs an internal argument about whether it is more urgent to throw out Tony Blair than Chris Williamson like it needs to have a hole in the head.rottenborough said:Do it Labour.
https://twitter.com/liamyoung/status/1100391400217153536
I'd be surprised if this doesn't take hold for the next 36 hours.0 -
Standing right behind Chris Williamson and applauding his comments?FrancisUrquhart said:
And where is Jezza in all of this. Leadership and all that.rottenborough said:0 -
Mr. Urquhart, I believe when it comes to Corbyn and leadership the official line is that he's present, but not involved.0
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Maximum popcorn moment if Blair is kicked out. The headlines would be off the scale. And worldwide.OblitusSumMe said:
We are 733 hours from Brexit-hour and the Labour Party needs an internal argument about whether it is more urgent to throw out Tony Blair than Chris Williamson like it needs to have a hole in the head.rottenborough said:Do it Labour.
https://twitter.com/liamyoung/status/1100391400217153536
I'd be surprised if this doesn't take hold for the next 36 hours.
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42% of Leave voters responded by saying staying in the single market should be paramount.
Up to a point, Lord Copper. The actual question was 'Maintaining Access to the Single Market' - which is not quite the same as staying in the single market.
Hasn't there been some polling on 'trade offs' along the lines of:
- 'staying in the single market even if that means keeping free movement'
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- 'ending free movement even if that means leaving the single market'?0 -
Plus, May will have a nice line of attack to add to the: does he want a 2nd vote or not line.Sandpit said:If Tom Watson can’t find a way to get Chris Williamson suspended before the end of the day PMQs, then there’s probably a few more MPs resigning from the party today.
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Leaving the EU without a deal is more popular than May's Deal in the opinion polls.CarlottaVance said:In other news....Pakistan airspace is closed to civilian traffic so many flights from the UK to South East Asia will be having longer tracks - looks like this morning's SQ LHR flight was turned back at the border and routed south of Pakistan and over the Gulf.
On topic - there is a small (10%?) minority of Brexit zealots who would be happy with 'no deal' - but nearly half the population (Remain voters) want to maintain close economic links with the EU, and most Leave voters are pretty agnostic on the matter and do want good relations with the EU afterwards - thats why May's deal is probably the least bad show in town.
https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/if-there-was-a-referendum-tomorrow-with-the-option-of-remaining-in-the-eu-accepting-the-governments-brexit-agreement-or-leaving-the-eu-without-a-deal-which-would-you-support-2-2/0 -
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It's going to be great when Corbo makes Chris Williamson Home Secretary. It's going to be the ultimate political act of Verfremdungseffekt.0
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And staying in the EU more popular than that.OblitusSumMe said:
Leaving the EU without a deal is more popular than May's Deal in the opinion polls.CarlottaVance said:In other news....Pakistan airspace is closed to civilian traffic so many flights from the UK to South East Asia will be having longer tracks - looks like this morning's SQ LHR flight was turned back at the border and routed south of Pakistan and over the Gulf.
On topic - there is a small (10%?) minority of Brexit zealots who would be happy with 'no deal' - but nearly half the population (Remain voters) want to maintain close economic links with the EU, and most Leave voters are pretty agnostic on the matter and do want good relations with the EU afterwards - thats why May's deal is probably the least bad show in town.
https://whatukthinks.org/eu/questions/if-there-was-a-referendum-tomorrow-with-the-option-of-remaining-in-the-eu-accepting-the-governments-brexit-agreement-or-leaving-the-eu-without-a-deal-which-would-you-support-2-2/
The ERG really have been very stupid.0 -
The "Single Market" is a set of rules and regulations.
Being a member allows a country to be involved in decisions about what those rules are. But every country on earth has access to the Single Market in that they can sell into Europe so long as they meet the said rules.
Of course in setting the rules members are in effect setting non-tariff barriers to trade so as to protect domestic production. That may be an advantage to EU producers, but often enough at the cost of consumers within the EU.0 -
Access to and staying in the single market are two different things. A free trade agreement would give access to the single market without staying in it.
If you want to know what proportion of leavers want to stay in the single market ask them that!0 -
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This is a typically fallacious Brexit argument. Our internal market will always have regulation. Extending the scope of our internal market to cover the whole EU means a net decrease in non-tariff barriers.geoffw said:The "Single Market" is a set of rules and regulations.
Being a member allows a country to be involved in decisions about what those rules are. But every country on earth has access to the Single Market in the sense that they can sell into Europe so long as they meet the said rules.
Of course in setting the rules members are in effect setting non-tariff barriers to trade so as to protect domestic production. That may be an advantage to EU producers, but often enough at the cost of consumers within the EU.0 -
Tough on antisemitism, tough on the causes of antisemitism....dr_spyn said:0 -
Listening to Nige Farage on LBC is often the best way to understand the messages that the hard Brexiters will use. Last night had a 16 year old on the phone asking why they assumed the population would vote the same now when he was only 13 at the time and why unlike in Scotland he would not get a vote. Farage refused to engage with him.Richard_Tyndall said:On topic. Mike is absolutely right. It wasn't just the Comres polling that showed this view either. YouGov in June 2016, just prior to the referendum, also showed 42% of Leave voters prioritising Single Market access over restricting immigration.
Farage expects a delay beyond June and is happy this will happen so he can start his new party with European elections. I predicted this 3 months ago and the next big betting event will be around the European elections with Farage, TIG added to the mix. Should be fun.
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https://twitter.com/DPJHodges/status/1100703226029137921FrancisUrquhart said:
Tough on antisemitism, tough on the causes of antisemitism....dr_spyn said:
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Let’s be honest.
Williamson needs to be suspended, but this is all too late in the day.
Corbyn needs to resign.0 -
It's probably not worth thinking too hard about these nuances since most of the voters never understood them in the first place.CarlottaVance said:42% of Leave voters responded by saying staying in the single market should be paramount.
Up to a point, Lord Copper. The actual question was 'Maintaining Access to the Single Market' - which is not quite the same as staying in the single market.
Hasn't there been some polling on 'trade offs' along the lines of:
- 'staying in the single market even if that means keeping free movement'
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- 'ending free movement even if that means leaving the single market'?0 -
The Shadow Chief Whip will be key now. An old Brownite and presumably Watson chum in that case.
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I think that, unfortunately, the political debate since the referendum has markedly changed public opinion away from what you might describe as the Centrist compromise that you favour.Richard_Tyndall said:On topic. Mike is absolutely right. It wasn't just the Comres polling that showed this view either. YouGov in June 2016, just prior to the referendum, also showed 42% of Leave voters prioritising Single Market access over restricting immigration.
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Not around the referendum, evidently.CarlottaVance said:42% of Leave voters responded by saying staying in the single market should be paramount.
Up to a point, Lord Copper. The actual question was 'Maintaining Access to the Single Market' - which is not quite the same as staying in the single market.
Hasn't there been some polling on 'trade offs' along the lines of:
- 'staying in the single market even if that means keeping free movement'
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- 'ending free movement even if that means leaving the single market'?
In any event, one thing which 'maintaining access to the single market' really can't mean, however you might try to parse it, is leaving without a deal.0 -
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At least the 'net means MI5 don't have to do any work finding these shitheads. They just type away - and say "here I am...."rottenborough said:
Who knew how many utter loons the UK has? Really depressing.FrancisUrquhart said:
It is scary looking at this stuff how many people claim it is nothing more than a vast conspiracy against Project Messiah.rottenborough said:
Being given the whole of the world to talk at. They can show just how big they are, having opinions and that. It's like 13 year olds, having their first half dozen pints of snake-bite....0 -
Did leave campaigners?edmundintokyo said:
It's probably not worth thinking too hard about these nuances since most of the voters never understood them in the first place.CarlottaVance said:42% of Leave voters responded by saying staying in the single market should be paramount.
Up to a point, Lord Copper. The actual question was 'Maintaining Access to the Single Market' - which is not quite the same as staying in the single market.
Hasn't there been some polling on 'trade offs' along the lines of:
- 'staying in the single market even if that means keeping free movement'
and
- 'ending free movement even if that means leaving the single market'?
https://twitter.com/propertyspot/status/1100165462317563905?s=210 -
WHERE ARE OUR JEZZA APOLOGISTS??
At the moment it's super boring because we are all agreeing that Jezza and Williamson (and...and...) are all antisemitic c**ts and need to be thrown out of the Labour Party.
But where's the fun in that? Where are @TheJezziah and @bjo and our very own @NickPalmer to explain to us why we have got it all wrong?
Jeez...0 -
Simulaneously the furthest Labour have ever gone in criticising Williamson AND well short of what they should have done.dr_spyn said:https://twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/1100702644379795456
Popcorn on order.
Surely in the last TWO YEARS Corbyn should have sat Williamson down and told him, old friend, this would be a good time to shut up?0 -
It's hard to see what Williamson could do for Corbyn to force him out? Perhaps if we could get Williamson to say that Blair and Brown were actually good, solid Labour Party leaders? That should p*ss off Corbyn enough.dr_spyn said:
In all seriousness, there is a cancer at the heart of Labour - as we see occasionally on here.
Not that the Conservatives should crow - they should be thankful that they have UKIP to take some (though not all) of the right-wing poison.0 -
Odds on Ruth Smeeth resigning live on air in an hour or so?
https://twitter.com/Emmabarnett/status/11006779043531161610 -
*tumbleweed*TOPPING said:WHERE ARE OUR JEZZA APOLOGISTS??
At the moment it's super boring because we are all agreeing that Jezza and Williamson (and...and...) are all antisemitic c**ts and need to be thrown out of the Labour Party.
But where's the fun in that? Where are @TheJezziah and @bjo and our very own @NickPalmer to explain to us why we have got it all wrong?
Jeez...0 -
kick out Blair :-)TOPPING said:WHERE ARE OUR JEZZA APOLOGISTS??
At the moment it's super boring because we are all agreeing that Jezza and Williamson (and...and...) are all antisemitic c**ts and need to be thrown out of the Labour Party.
But where's the fun in that? Where are @TheJezziah and @bjo and our very own @NickPalmer to explain to us why we have got it all wrong?
Jeez...0 -
That's the kind of party management that Jezza doesn't do. He is more like Ho Chi Minh in his latter days. Others do all the work and the thinking.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Simulaneously the furthest Labour have ever gone in criticising Williamson AND well short of what they should have done.dr_spyn said:https://twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/1100702644379795456
Popcorn on order.
Surely in the last TWO YEARS Corbyn should have sat Williamson down and told him, old friend, this would be a good time to shut up?0 -
And also swung in favour of remain to some extent.OblitusSumMe said:
I think that, unfortunately, the political debate since the referendum has markedly changed public opinion away from what you might describe as the Centrist compromise that you favour.Richard_Tyndall said:On topic. Mike is absolutely right. It wasn't just the Comres polling that showed this view either. YouGov in June 2016, just prior to the referendum, also showed 42% of Leave voters prioritising Single Market access over restricting immigration.
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she was very clear last week she wanted to fight from within.Sandpit said:Odds on Ruth Smeeth resigning live on air in an hour or so?
https://twitter.com/Emmabarnett/status/1100677904353116161
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I wouldn't put Nick Palmer on the same level as BJO in his denial, and BJO on the same level as TheJezziah in his (ahem) interesting take on anti-Semitism. Or nastiness ...TOPPING said:WHERE ARE OUR JEZZA APOLOGISTS??
At the moment it's super boring because we are all agreeing that Jezza and Williamson (and...and...) are all antisemitic c**ts and need to be thrown out of the Labour Party.
But where's the fun in that? Where are @TheJezziah and @bjo and our very own @NickPalmer to explain to us why we have got it all wrong?
Jeez...0 -
A mild slap on the wrist at the moment for Williamson....presumably for getting caught.0
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They should totally have a cage match to determine which of them gets to stay. Who wouldn't pay to see a literal struggle for the soul of the party? End the war, and restore Labour's finances in one stroke. I can't see any downside.edmundintokyo said:
OTOH a Grand Bargain where you threw out both of them would be unifying and catharticOblitusSumMe said:
We are 733 hours from Brexit-hour and the Labour Party needs an internal argument about whether it is more urgent to throw out Tony Blair than Chris Williamson like it needs to have a hole in the head.rottenborough said:Do it Labour.
https://twitter.com/liamyoung/status/1100391400217153536
I'd be surprised if this doesn't take hold for the next 36 hours.0 -
170 odd labour mps need to join TIG in one go and rid the Country of Corbyn and his toxic cabalGardenwalker said:Let’s be honest.
Williamson needs to be suspended, but this is all too late in the day.
Corbyn needs to resign.0 -
Hang on aren't we already paying for BBC content with the licence fee?
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All we're seeing here is what Milne thinks he can get away with.rottenborough said:
That's the kind of party management that Jezza doesn't do. He is more like Ho Chi Minh in his latter days. Others do all the work and the thinking.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Simulaneously the furthest Labour have ever gone in criticising Williamson AND well short of what they should have done.dr_spyn said:https://twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/1100702644379795456
Popcorn on order.
Surely in the last TWO YEARS Corbyn should have sat Williamson down and told him, old friend, this would be a good time to shut up?
Captain Salad has neither the intelligence nor the common sense to do what is needed.0 -
I will of course let them speak for themselves but Nick portrays Jezza as a nice, honest, homely kind of guy with nary a bad word for anyone. I would be interested in his take on this all.JosiasJessop said:
I wouldn't put Nick Palmer on the same level as BJO in his denial, and BJO on the same level as TheJezziah in his (ahem) interesting take on anti-Semitism. Or nastiness ...TOPPING said:WHERE ARE OUR JEZZA APOLOGISTS??
At the moment it's super boring because we are all agreeing that Jezza and Williamson (and...and...) are all antisemitic c**ts and need to be thrown out of the Labour Party.
But where's the fun in that? Where are @TheJezziah and @bjo and our very own @NickPalmer to explain to us why we have got it all wrong?
Jeez...0 -
They will claim that you have always had to pay for DVD box sets etc. But what it does is really highlight that the BBC funding model is broken for the modern age. It is unenforceable and is incompatible with the modern streaming world.GIN1138 said:Hang on aren't we already paying for BBC content with the licence fee?
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With the world's strictest membership entry system. Otherwise they would just be taken over again by the lenin loons.Big_G_NorthWales said:
170 odd labour mps need to join TIG in one go and rid the Country of Corbyn and his toxic cabalGardenwalker said:Let’s be honest.
Williamson needs to be suspended, but this is all too late in the day.
Corbyn needs to resign.0 -
No. It's like trade creation and trade diversion in the case of tariffs. Expanding the scope of the Single Market to encompass more countries means that the non-tariff barriers facing non-members have become more extensive. Whether there's a net increase or decrease has to factor that in too.williamglenn said:
This is a typically fallacious Brexit argument. Our internal market will always have regulation. Extending the scope of our internal market to cover the whole EU means a net decrease in non-tariff barriers.geoffw said:The "Single Market" is a set of rules and regulations.
Being a member allows a country to be involved in decisions about what those rules are. But every country on earth has access to the Single Market in the sense that they can sell into Europe so long as they meet the said rules.
Of course in setting the rules members are in effect setting non-tariff barriers to trade so as to protect domestic production. That may be an advantage to EU producers, but often enough at the cost of consumers within the EU.
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Saying the UK should stay in the EU should do the trick.JosiasJessop said:
It's hard to see what Williamson could do for Corbyn to force him out?
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Suspect they will start putting content that is already paid for by the licence fee (they cite Luther and Line Of Duty in the article for example) on BritBox first thus getting two lots of revenue for the same content.FrancisUrquhart said:
They will claim that you have always had to pay for DVD box sets etc. But what it does is really highlight that the BBC funding model is broken for the modern age. It is unenforceable and is incompatible with the modern streaming world.GIN1138 said:Hang on aren't we already paying for BBC content with the licence fee?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47383559
Then like you say there's the DVD sales and the money they get from selling the rights to other countries plus various spin-off and merchandise profits...
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I’d pay a fiver a month - if they’d let me. Can’t see anyone in the UK being too interested though.GIN1138 said:Hang on aren't we already paying for BBC content with the licence fee?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47383559
Streaming market fragmentation, as is already happening in the US, is driving piracy rates higher again.0 -
Alanbrooke said:
kick out Blair :-)TOPPING said:WHERE ARE OUR JEZZA APOLOGISTS??
At the moment it's super boring because we are all agreeing that Jezza and Williamson (and...and...) are all antisemitic c**ts and need to be thrown out of the Labour Party.
But where's the fun in that? Where are @TheJezziah and @bjo and our very own @NickPalmer to explain to us why we have got it all wrong?
Jeez...
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According to last week's journalist buzz we are due another batch of Labour defections this week. Today would be a good moment to choose.0
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Then they could afford to build a permanent studio on College Green!GIN1138 said:
Suspect they will start putting content that is already paid for by the licence fee (they cite Luther and Line Of Duty in the article for example) on BritBox first thus getting two lots of revenue for the same content.FrancisUrquhart said:
They will claim that you have always had to pay for DVD box sets etc. But what it does is really highlight that the BBC funding model is broken for the modern age. It is unenforceable and is incompatible with the modern streaming world.GIN1138 said:Hang on aren't we already paying for BBC content with the licence fee?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47383559
Then like you say there's the DVD sales and the money they get from selling the rights to other countries plus various spin-off and merchandise profits...
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No need. Just don't let them directly elect the leader.rottenborough said:
With the world's strictest membership entry system. Otherwise they would just be taken over again by the lenin loons.Big_G_NorthWales said:
170 odd labour mps need to join TIG in one go and rid the Country of Corbyn and his toxic cabalGardenwalker said:Let’s be honest.
Williamson needs to be suspended, but this is all too late in the day.
Corbyn needs to resign.0 -
In F1 news, Vettel's had a big off during testing. He's been taken to the medical facility, but Ferrari say he's fine. Looks like a mechanical failure.0
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Meercat? Isn't that Theresa's online avatar?BannedInParis said:Alanbrooke said:
kick out Blair :-)TOPPING said:WHERE ARE OUR JEZZA APOLOGISTS??
At the moment it's super boring because we are all agreeing that Jezza and Williamson (and...and...) are all antisemitic c**ts and need to be thrown out of the Labour Party.
But where's the fun in that? Where are @TheJezziah and @bjo and our very own @NickPalmer to explain to us why we have got it all wrong?
Jeez...0 -
If they do ditch Chris Williamson, there would surely have to be a by-election, right?
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'brilliant'.TudorRose said:
Meercat? Isn't that Theresa's online avatar?BannedInParis said:Alanbrooke said:
kick out Blair :-)TOPPING said:WHERE ARE OUR JEZZA APOLOGISTS??
At the moment it's super boring because we are all agreeing that Jezza and Williamson (and...and...) are all antisemitic c**ts and need to be thrown out of the Labour Party.
But where's the fun in that? Where are @TheJezziah and @bjo and our very own @NickPalmer to explain to us why we have got it all wrong?
Jeez...0 -
They aren't learning.....the reason Spotify has worked in terms of much reducing music piracy, is pretty much 99% of the music content (and increasingly podcasts) are located in one place, so for £5-10 a month you do nothing more than one click on a single app for all your audio entertainment.Sandpit said:
I’d pay a fiver a month - if they’d let me. Can’t see anyone in the UK being too interested though.GIN1138 said:Hang on aren't we already paying for BBC content with the licence fee?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47383559
Streaming market fragmentation, as is already happening in the US, is driving piracy rates higher again.0 -
#JezzahDoesNotStandWithChrisWilliamson takes some digesting.rottenborough said:Tweet of the day is in:
https://twitter.com/iainmartin1/status/11007059997642752000 -
I thing the snake oil salesmen are peddling an opinion poll done two-and-a-half years ago!0
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Perhaps he'd seen how well the same trick had worked with Ken.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Simulaneously the furthest Labour have ever gone in criticising Williamson AND well short of what they should have done.dr_spyn said:https://twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/1100702644379795456
Popcorn on order.
Surely in the last TWO YEARS Corbyn should have sat Williamson down and told him, old friend, this would be a good time to shut up?0 -
All parties present the other side as a threat to something or other. But watching how the Corbynist left behave it feels like so many red flags. How dissent is dealt with, how the truth is whatever the speaker wants it to be and can be turned 180degrees without a blink or flicker, how the very worst bad behaviour can be justified and covered over if the person who does it shares the necessary values.0
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Mike is adducing an opinion poll done two-and-a-half years ago, expressly as evidence of what people thought two-and-a-half years ago. Could you clarify your point, please?blueburn said:I thing the snake oil salesmen are peddling an opinion poll done two-and-a-half years ago!
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BBC saying he’s back in the garage now, so just a precautionary checkup with the doc. Car went straight on at Turn 3JosiasJessop said:In F1 news, Vettel's had a big off during testing. He's been taken to the medical facility, but Ferrari say he's fine. Looks like a mechanical failure.
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Amazed at how many Corbynista scouse grandparents there are on Twitter slagging off and 'but Israel'-ing anyone who dares to criticise Williamson. Where do they all come from?0
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They've maybe overestimated the current brand value of the prefix Brit- in the international market, unless they're hoping to flog a lot of comedy.GIN1138 said:
Suspect they will start putting content that is already paid for by the licence fee (they cite Luther and Line Of Duty in the article for example) on BritBox first thus getting two lots of revenue for the same content.FrancisUrquhart said:
They will claim that you have always had to pay for DVD box sets etc. But what it does is really highlight that the BBC funding model is broken for the modern age. It is unenforceable and is incompatible with the modern streaming world.GIN1138 said:Hang on aren't we already paying for BBC content with the licence fee?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47383559
Then like you say there's the DVD sales and the money they get from selling the rights to other countries plus various spin-off and merchandise profits...
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The Twitter API via some Python code and St. Petersburg.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Amazed at how many Corbynista scouse grandparents there are on Twitter slagging off and 'but Israel'-ing anyone who dares to criticise Williamson. Where do they all come from?
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Isn't the answer in your first sentence?AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Amazed at how many Corbynista scouse grandparents there are on Twitter slagging off and 'but Israel'-ing anyone who dares to criticise Williamson. Where do they all come from?
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I truly think he is the new Ken.Theuniondivvie said:
Perhaps he'd seen how well the same trick had worked with Ken.TheWhiteRabbit said:
Simulaneously the furthest Labour have ever gone in criticising Williamson AND well short of what they should have done.dr_spyn said:https://twitter.com/jessicaelgot/status/1100702644379795456
Popcorn on order.
Surely in the last TWO YEARS Corbyn should have sat Williamson down and told him, old friend, this would be a good time to shut up?0 -
Whilst I've been utterly failing to get anything done this morning, this song came up on my playlist, and I would like to dedicate it to Chris Williamson:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8VZX4sHn-4
(I'm unsure quite what lefty Ms Allen would think of this...)0 -
Yes, there appears to be far more of them than the entire population of Liverpool.Dura_Ace said:
The Twitter API via some Python code and St. Petersburg.AramintaMoonbeamQC said:Amazed at how many Corbynista scouse grandparents there are on Twitter slagging off and 'but Israel'-ing anyone who dares to criticise Williamson. Where do they all come from?
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Indeed. The audio streaming market works well because all the content is there, whether you subscribe to Spotify, Tidal, Apple Music, Android Music or Amazon Music.FrancisUrquhart said:
They aren't learning.....the reason Spotify has worked in terms of much reducing music piracy, is pretty much 99% of the music content (and increasingly podcasts) are located in one place, so for £5-10 a month you do nothing more than one click on a single app for all your audio entertainment.Sandpit said:
I’d pay a fiver a month - if they’d let me. Can’t see anyone in the UK being too interested though.GIN1138 said:Hang on aren't we already paying for BBC content with the licence fee?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47383559
Streaming market fragmentation, as is already happening in the US, is driving piracy rates higher again.
The video streaming market (in the US) now has Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, HBO and soon Disney, all touting exclusive content. People aren’t going to go back to paying $60 a month for TV, that was the reason they cut the cable cord in the first place!0 -
Look! Squirrel!bigjohnowls said:0 -
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