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  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,689

    Is that because you didn't read it too closely?
    That's right - I just skipped all of the difficult words.
  • YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172



    The first three lines of your post were good. The last one suggested that if you have a university education it didn't do you much good. By-the-way, university does not need a capital U, unless you are referring to a proper noun, eg. Cambridge University, where you, no doubt, did not go.

    How can you sense whether a poster went to Cambridge University or not?

    Do tell.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,689
    TOPPING said:

    An engineering degree might have been more useful for you this morning.
    Got one of those.

    A degree of patience served me well.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,569

    I am no more useless now than I was before 'reading' PPE!
    There are always exceptions!
    Didn't Chris Huhne, in his first 'newspaper' job after graduating with a PPE find it mistaken for a PE degree?
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,203
    edited February 2019

    I'm simply pointing out what the Face of Remainerdom is like on pb.com.

    "Save Our Universities for the Elite, Most Don't need to Go."

    "Let's Grade all our Female Politicians on whether they're Good-Looking."

    "Let Me Boast about How My Kids have a Nanny."

    And, then, Gardenwanker, you are puzzled as to why Remain Lost.
    Haha.

    You mischaracterise my views, but I’m flattered you remember I employ a nanny.
    However, the main boasting on this board tends to be by certain Brexiters about their first class travel arrangements, so I think the political point you are making is a bit shit.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022

    Mr. B, if that's accurate, I wonder where Red Bull stand.

    Leclerc top 3 *might* be a value bet. But hard to say.

    Leclerc e/w for top 3 *is* a value bet. So is Bottas for the same bet. - it’s how e/w bets work, the priced odds are for the win and the chances of either them coming third are way better than than the e/w ‘divider’. Bookies really don’t like people taking advantage of e/w bets like this.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,689
    So what are the Watsonites (Watsonians?) going to call themselves?

    Labour Lite?
    Labour Right?
    Latte Labour?
    The MPs formerly known as Labour?
    Or do they go for the Apprentice-Style wank of a name? Thrust. Turbo. Woomf.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,569

    How can you sense whether a poster went to Cambridge University or not?

    Do tell.
    I went to university in Cambridge.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,689

    There are always exceptions!
    Didn't Chris Huhne, in his first 'newspaper' job after graduating with a PPE find it mistaken for a PE degree?
    Where I work PPE means Personal Protective Equipment. A degree in hi-viz.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,180

    My elder son left school at 16 and did a 'classic' electronic engineering apprenticeship, then at 21 or so decided to get a degree. Which he did. He is now, sometimes, as a senior manager in a high tech industry, faced with young graduates who can prepare something in theory, but when he tells them to go away and make it to be sure it works are lost.
    Michael Crichton was a bit of a nutter in some ways but I did find his theory, spread across several of his books, notably Airframe, about the discipline of manufacturing and the inevitable failure of design that is too far separated from it highly persuasive.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 54,852
    Perhaps a Tiggerologist could explain the significance of where they're all standing.
  • So what are the Watsonites (Watsonians?) going to call themselves?

    Labour Lite?
    Labour Right?
    Latte Labour?
    The MPs formerly known as Labour?
    Or do they go for the Apprentice-Style wank of a name? Thrust. Turbo. Woomf.

    'Inertia' would have a certain symmetry to it.
  • How can you sense whether a poster went to Cambridge University or not?

    Do tell.
    It was a deduction based on the stupidity of your argument, it's incoherence and your ability to know how to use a capital U. Combine this with the fact that you are a headbanging Brexit zealot, I would say that one does not need the detective powers of Sherlock to say that the balance of probability is that you did not go there, or did you ever have the capability to go. Sure you could pretend otherwise, and I accept I cannot prove it either way.
  • Mr. Sandpit, 6.5 is a bit tight, though. 8.5, as he was pre-testing, would be more tempting.

    Given I got a bit carried away last time with little bets (although the 61 each way on Raikkonen mitigated my losses) I think I'll just stick with my small sum on Gasly.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 22,203

    It was a deduction based on the stupidity of your argument, it's incoherence and your ability to know how to use a capital U. Combine this with the fact that you are a headbanging Brexit zealot, I would say that one does not need the detective powers of Sherlock to say that the balance of probability is that you did not go there, or did you ever have the capability to go. Sure you could pretend otherwise, and I accept I cannot prove it either way.
    I have no idea whether the mad Bard went to university at all, but he does seem quite consumed with hatred for his fellow man.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,787

    So what are the Watsonites (Watsonians?) going to call themselves?

    Labour Lite?
    Labour Right?
    Latte Labour?
    The MPs formerly known as Labour?
    Or do they go for the Apprentice-Style wank of a name? Thrust. Turbo. Woomf.

    Weightwatchers
  • SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095

    'Inertia' would have a certain symmetry to it.
    "New" Labour has a certain ring to it.
  • YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172

    I went to university in Cambridge.
    There are five Universities in Cambridge.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,569
    DavidL said:

    Michael Crichton was a bit of a nutter in some ways but I did find his theory, spread across several of his books, notably Airframe, about the discipline of manufacturing and the inevitable failure of design that is too far separated from it highly persuasive.
    Yup,
  • Mr. Rentool, Watson makes me want to think of a Conan Doyle pun.

    The Deerstalkers? The Holme Guard?

    Hmm.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 45,373
    A major problem with university is when people think it makes them automatically better than those who do not have a degree - as if a third in comparative underwear studies makes them more worthy than, and able to talk down to, someone who went to work in an office aged 18 and worked their way up.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981

    There are five Universities in Cambridge.
    Cambridge, Cambridge or Cambridge, Mass.?
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786

    Perhaps a Tiggerologist could explain the significance of where they're all standing.
    Soubry looks like she just got in from making pickles at the WI to find several unexpected phone messages
  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,378
    edited February 2019
    Mr Cwsc,

    "Let's Grade all our Female Politicians on whether they're Good-Looking."

    Oi! Leave my new Shallow Party alone. Most politicians are a waste of space, so we may as well have pretty ones as not.


    Edited for spelling. I'm really getting into this new party, it can't be any worse than the old ones.
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786

    Mr. Rentool, Watson makes me want to think of a Conan Doyle pun.

    The Deerstalkers? The Holme Guard?

    Hmm.

    The Elementaries
  • There are five Universities in Cambridge.
    Haha really? There are, I think, 15 or 16 "old" colleges and a similar number of "new" that make up Cambridge University. There is also Anglia Ruskin University. Where you got 5 from I am really not sure. Still, it confirms my not too difficult deduction.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,689

    Mr. Rentool, Watson makes me want to think of a Conan Doyle pun.

    The Deerstalkers? The Holme Guard?

    Hmm.

    They could launch the group with a Baker Street declaration.

    "It's time for change" at Baker St.
  • EndillionEndillion Posts: 4,976

    It was a deduction based on the stupidity of your argument, it's incoherence and your ability to know how to use a capital U. Combine this with the fact that you are a headbanging Brexit zealot, I would say that one does not need the detective powers of Sherlock to say that the balance of probability is that you did not go there, or did you ever have the capability to go. Sure you could pretend otherwise, and I accept I cannot prove it either way.
    Based on a quick Google, I have concluded that @YBarddCwsc may not have been to Cambridge University, but (s)he was definitely published by them:

    http://people.ds.cam.ac.uk/dwew2/hcwl/gbc/gbc_notes.htm
  • I have no idea whether the mad Bard went to university at all, but he does seem quite consumed with hatred for his fellow man.
    It is not the case with all Brexit supporters. There are one or two pleasant ones, even on this forum.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,553
    Anna Soubry looks like she's just been told "There'll be no more defectors. Oh, and we might be back with Labour, if Watson can pull it off...."
  • YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172

    Haha really? There are, I think, 15 or 16 "old" colleges and a similar number of "new" that make up Cambridge University. There is also Anglia Ruskin University. Where you got 5 from I am really not sure. Still, it confirms my not too difficult deduction.
    Anglia Ruskin University, Cambridge University.

    Harvard University, MIT and Lesley University.

    (Tufts and Brandeis are just outside Cambridge, Mass)

    So that makes five universities.

    The Colleges are of course constituents of Cambridge University. The University itself is distinct.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    With the discussion of student loads and graduate taxes, one of the benefits of the current system that any change needs to take into account is that increasing numbers of people are choosing to spend time living abroad and out of the UK income tax system.

    The real elephant in the room is EU students who disappear the day they graduate, with a ‘loan’ that can’t be collected in any conventional sense.

    A messy ‘half way house’ between government and priveate funding just doesn’t work in practice, but the problems are decades down the line.

    Tertiary education is one of few areas where the USA have a very good model, with community colleges, state universities and the Ivy League, with different funding models across all three.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,569

    Haha really? There are, I think, 15 or 16 "old" colleges and a similar number of "new" that make up Cambridge University. There is also Anglia Ruskin University. Where you got 5 from I am really not sure. Still, it confirms my not too difficult deduction.
    It would appear from Wikipedia that there are two British, plus an outpost of Harvard. I didn't go to Harvard!
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,553
    Scott_P said:
    So she's got herself another 16 days, before any of the spineless wimps are prepared to give up their ministerial cars.

    She's getting bloody good at this.....
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,705
    edited February 2019

    Anglia Ruskin University, Cambridge University.

    Harvard University, MIT and Lesley University.

    (Tufts and Brandeis are just outside Cambridge, Mass)

    So that makes five universities.

    The Colleges are of course constituents of Cambridge University. The University itself is distinct.
    I don't want to intrude on your conversation, but as an observer may I ask if "just outside Cambridge" qualifies as "in Cambridge"?
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,689

    Anglia Ruskin University, Cambridge University.

    Harvard University, MIT and Lesley University.

    (Tufts and Brandeis are just outside Cambridge, Mass)

    So that makes five universities.

    The Colleges are of course constituents of Cambridge University. The University itself is distinct.
    You missed one:

    The Open University in the East of England
    12 Hills Road
    Cambridge
    CB2 1PF

    http://www.open.ac.uk/about/estates/our-estate/cambridge

    Clearly the best uni in the fens!
  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,378
    Talking of female politicians' looks, which we were, can I say I thought Mrs Soubry was looking less like Mrs Rochester now she's gone tiggery. Perhaps it's doing her good?
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022

    Where I work PPE means Personal Protective Equipment. A degree in hi-viz.
    LOL, glad to know it’s not just me who gets those confused. Every week or so I sign a “PPE Form” for a customer who insists on everyone wearing ear defenders and yellow vests in their server room.
  • Weightwatchers
    Real Labour.
  • YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172
    TOPPING said:

    I don't want to intrude on your conversation, but as an observer may I ask if "just outside Cambridge" qualifies as "in Cambridge"?
    The are five distinct universities in Cambridge, as I said. The five lie within the boundaries of Cambridge, Mass and Cambridge City, UK.

    Brandeis, Tufts, Boston Uni and Boston College are outside the boundary of Cambridge, so I quite properly haven't included them in my arithmetic.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,180

    Got one of those.

    A degree of patience served me well.
    Very good. And way more useful than most other degrees too.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,705

    The are five distinct universities in Cambridge, as I said. The five lie within the boundaries of Cambridge, Mass and Cambridge City, UK.

    Brandeis, Tufts, Boston Uni and Boston College are outside the boundary of Cambridge, so I quite properly haven't included them in my arithmetic.
    Gotit thanks.
  • Anglia Ruskin University, Cambridge University.

    Harvard University, MIT and Lesley University.

    (Tufts and Brandeis are just outside Cambridge, Mass)

    So that makes five universities.

    The Colleges are of course constituents of Cambridge University. The University itself is distinct.

    Anglia Ruskin University, Cambridge University.

    Harvard University, MIT and Lesley University.

    (Tufts and Brandeis are just outside Cambridge, Mass)

    So that makes five universities.

    The Colleges are of course constituents of Cambridge University. The University itself is distinct.
    Well done for your Wiki research. Further evidence of weak and disconnected argument though (1 out of 10 marks), that further strengthens my proposition.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,569
    edited February 2019

    Well done for your Wiki research. Further evidence of weak and disconnected argument though (1 out of 10 marks), that further strengthens my proposition.
    Anglia Ruskin (known to some as Almost a Real University) also has a large campus in Chelmsford and smaller ones in the Southend area.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    Scott_P said:
    How many times do they have to be told that no deal can’t be scrapped? It’s whats already been legislated for, and is the live “Plan A” in the absence of other *positive* action.

    It’s not enough to be in favour of the double negative no no deal, they have to be either in favour of a specific deal, or in favour of ignoring the people and revoking A50?
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 14,012
    edited February 2019
    Endillion said:

    And if she appeals against the sentence instead/as well?
    No. (That's the short answer; it is rare but possible for steps to be taken in effect to increase sentence by discounting some time served).

    The AG can bring an appeal to lengthen sentence, and it does sometimes happen but that is different.

  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,918
    So when May says she hopes there won't be any need for an extension, what does that mean? That she thinks the threat of an extension will be sufficient to force the Brexiteers into line, so that she won't need to ask for an extension until the Commons has passed the deal?

    Does she think there's time to leave with a deal by 29 March? Or does she just think everyone else is stupid enough to believe that? Doesn't saying unbelievable things all the time tend to damage your credibility?
  • Real Labour.
    The Corbyn part can be "Continuity Labour"
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981



    Well done for your Wiki research. Further evidence of weak and disconnected argument though (1 out of 10 marks), that further strengthens my proposition.


    I can't decide which hypothesis is creepier: that you went to Cambridge and came away with nothing to show for it but a propensity to sneer at people who didn't, or that you did not go there and are an over enthusiastic fanboy wannabe with your nose pressed against the academic shop window. Unattractive either way. Stop embarrassing yourself.
  • Mr. Pulpstar, but what biscuits? Oreos? Ginger snaps? Garibaldis? Bourbons? Are jaffa cakes allowed?

    Personally, I'd have a bowl of jelly babies ready.
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,918
    saddo said:

    I read it that any back bencher bill needs a minister to present it to her maj for signing, so they can stop it at that stage. It's also saying, Cooper's bill is unconstitutional anyway.
    I think the author was presenting it as a requirement for bills that affected the royal prerogative, rather than something that would be needed for all private members' bills.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,569

    The Corbyn part can be "Continuity Labour"
    Well, it won't be the Judean Peoples Labour Party, will it.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    3rd ODI at St George’s might be about to be turned into a 20/20 match.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,180
    Sandpit said:

    How many times do they have to be told that no deal can’t be scrapped? It’s whats already been legislated for, and is the live “Plan A” in the absence of other *positive* action.

    It’s not enough to be in favour of the double negative no no deal, they have to be either in favour of a specific deal, or in favour of ignoring the people and revoking A50?
    It's really not that complicated is it? The main purpose of no deal at this point seems to be to give people something else to be positively against. The more things you positively oppose and the more voraciously you do it the less time there is to discuss what you are positively for. And that seems to suit our political class just fine.
  • Ishmael_Z said:


    I can't decide which hypothesis is creepier: that you went to Cambridge and came away with nothing to show for it but a propensity to sneer at people who didn't, or that you did not go there and are an over enthusiastic fanboy wannabe with your nose pressed against the academic shop window. Unattractive either way. Stop embarrassing yourself.
    I'll leave embarrassing oneself to tw*ts like you that still think Brexit was a good idea!
  • Well, it won't be the Judean Peoples Labour Party, will it.
    +1
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 54,553

    The Corbyn part can be "Continuity Labour"
    He'd prefer to be in the Provos.....
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981

    I'll leave embarrassing oneself to tw*ts like you that still think Brexit was a good idea!
    ?

    I thought in 2016 that brexit was probably a slightly bad idea, so I voted against it, and I think in 2019 that it was probably the worst idea anyone has ever had. Some mistake.

    I take it you are confirming the fanboy hypothesis. Eeeeuw.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,180
    edited February 2019

    Mr. Pulpstar, but what biscuits? Oreos? Ginger snaps? Garibaldis? Bourbons? Are jaffa cakes allowed?

    Personally, I'd have a bowl of jelly babies ready.

    It's a quagmire I tell you.

    Jelly babies upset the vegetarians/vegans even if it makes the ex Tories feel more at home.
    Garibaldi was a bit radical?
    Bourbons just a bit too close to the mark.
    Ginger snaps reminds those present that none of them have half the wit of the late, great Robin Cook.
    Jaffa cakes are probably ok but what if Corbyn comes in for a visit?

  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    Scott_P said:
    Someone tell Jeremy the defections aren't about Brexit
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 34,569
    DavidL said:

    It's a quagmire I tell you.

    Jelly babies upset the vegetarians/vegans even if it makes the ex Tories feel more at home.
    Garibaldi was a bit radical?
    Bourbons just a bit too close to the mark.
    Ginger snaps reminds those present that none of them have half the wit of the late, great Robin Cook.
    Jaffa cakes are probably ok but what if Corbyn comes in for a visit?

    Well, won't be digestives, at least yet!
  • Someone tell Jeremy the defections aren't about Brexit
    Ian Austin wasn't. Nor was Luciana Berger.

    The rest ... I'm not convinced.
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 56,022
    DavidL said:

    It's really not that complicated is it? The main purpose of no deal at this point seems to be to give people something else to be positively against. The more things you positively oppose and the more voraciously you do it the less time there is to discuss what you are positively for. And that seems to suit our political class just fine.
    Indeed. And with both the UK and EU sides seemingly intent on eleventh-hour brinkmanship over a deal that could be acceptable to everyone, anything could still happen.

    I think the idea of a 21-month extension to include discussion of trading arrangements is probably the best plan with the clock already well into the eleventh hour - but can also see the advantages of a few days of chaos that forces everyone back to the table to sort things out in good faith, in order to avoid a complete nightmare of disruption to trade over the summer.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,594
    edited February 2019

    Someone tell Jeremy the defections aren't about Brexit
    Future ones would have been, and took other stuff and Brexit to get most of the rest in the first place.

    Looks like he's finally realising it's not worth holding onto your principles if it splits your party. Why would anyone else leave once they get a referendum?

    Edit: Although if it is a deal on a Labour unicorn deal that is a bit odd.
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786

    Ian Austin wasn't. Nor was Luciana Berger.

    The rest ... I'm not convinced.
    We will soon see I guess as more were rumored for this week
  • Mr. L, could you clarify your remarks?

    Do you consider offending vegans a positive or negative? :p
  • nico67nico67 Posts: 5,092
    If the Labour announcement is some fantasy referendum on their deal which hasn’t even been agreed to by the EU then more MPs will be leaving .

  • Paul Brand @PaulBrandITV
    18s
    BREAKING: Labour will put forward or support an amendment calling for a People’s Vote. This is a big moment folks.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,180
    Sandpit said:

    Indeed. And with both the UK and EU sides seemingly intent on eleventh-hour brinkmanship over a deal that could be acceptable to everyone, anything could still happen.

    I think the idea of a 21-month extension to include discussion of trading arrangements is probably the best plan with the clock already well into the eleventh hour - but can also see the advantages of a few days of chaos that forces everyone back to the table to sort things out in good faith, in order to avoid a complete nightmare of disruption to trade over the summer.
    I personally think that if we have 21 more months of this nonsense and uncertainty we are likely to cause ourselves an entirely unnecessary recession. They just need to get on with it, now. Right now. Today.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,594
    Sandpit said:

    How many times do they have to be told that no deal can’t be scrapped? It’s whats already been legislated for, and is the live “Plan A” in the absence of other *positive* action.

    It’s not enough to be in favour of the double negative no no deal, they have to be either in favour of a specific deal, or in favour of ignoring the people and revoking A50?
    It's the single, solitary area where May ismore reasonable than her opponents. She at least knows something else has to go in no deal's place besides wishes and dreams.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,180

    Mr. L, could you clarify your remarks?

    Do you consider offending vegans a positive or negative? :p

    I don't like to generalise. It really depends on who the vegan is.
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    kle4 said:

    Future ones would have been, and took other stuff and Brexit to get most of the rest in the first place.

    Looks like he's finally realising it's not worth holding onto your principles if it splits your party. Why would anyone else leave once they get a referendum?

    Edit: Although if it is a deal on a Labour unicorn deal that is a bit odd.
    Because the labour party has been taken over by trots and they are centrists?
  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787

    Well, it won't be the Judean Peoples Labour Party, will it.
    The "Party of Labour of Albion" perhaps?
  • Paul Brand @PaulBrandITV
    18s
    BREAKING: Labour will put forward or support an amendment calling for a People’s Vote. This is a big moment folks.

    A big win for the TIGs.

  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,939

    Paul Brand @PaulBrandITV
    18s
    BREAKING: Labour will put forward or support an amendment calling for a People’s Vote. This is a big moment folks.

    Good. Brexits bessy mate found a new friend.
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    If we fo now get more defections it shows that Labour is done, if a PV doesn't stop the flow nothing will
    And if tiggers have planned properly I'd expect defections tomorrow
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,180

    A big win for the TIGs.

    And a huge defeat for the ERG. I wonder if they have worked that out yet? Probably not.
  • What do they want on the ballot paper?
  • AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900
    Feels like desperation by Corbyn, but he has to do something given the way things are going for him lately.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,594

    A big win for the TIGs.

    Yes and no. If they care about policy more than developing a new party, which is fine, then it has worked out well. But surely they are dead in the water as far as a growing political force unless Corbyn's reported move is not all it appears?
  • Ishmael_Z said:

    ?

    I thought in 2016 that brexit was probably a slightly bad idea, so I voted against it, and I think in 2019 that it was probably the worst idea anyone has ever had. Some mistake.

    I take it you are confirming the fanboy hypothesis. Eeeeuw.
    Prat, look at the previous posts. I have no need to be a "fanboy" you numpty! I was asked by the poster why he had deduced he hadn't been there, based on an earlier quip. Similarly I would deduce that you did not vote to remain, but voted leave. All the posts I have seen from you suggest this to be the case. Feeling ashamed of your stupidity? It is good that you are a late convert to common sense. Well done.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,180
    edited February 2019

    What do they want on the ballot paper?

    Should we remain in the EU? Select one:

    Yes Definitely. obviously.

  • Mr. L, could you clarify your remarks?

    Do you consider offending vegans a positive or negative? :p

    I would say it is neither, but it is a high possibility.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527

    A big win for the TIGs.

    At one level it is, but it also rather shoots their fox.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,359
    DavidL said:

    And a huge defeat for the ERG. I wonder if they have worked that out yet? Probably not.
    Yep. I don't expect them to realise before it is too late.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,594
    DavidL said:

    And a huge defeat for the ERG. I wonder if they have worked that out yet? Probably not.
    They still think things are going swimmingly as long as they defeat their own leader. So long as they don't have to vote for any form of Brexit, and so can maintain purity, what do they care?
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    The north just went blue
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 98,594
    We will now see if Corbyn's gamble has worked - even though he has had to be dragged kicking and screaming to this point, will his and Labour's fortunes pick up now he has done it?
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 55,180
    RobD said:

    Yep. I don't expect them to realise before it is too late.
    That would be now. The chance to leave has gone.
  • BromBrom Posts: 3,760
    Got to laugh at TIGs, they've played this very badly.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527

    The north just went blue

    Very unlikely - Brexit is not a key salient issue with most voters. Morover, if we have another referendum , voters can still vote to leave.
  • dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786
    kle4 said:

    We will now see if Corbyn's gamble has worked - even though he has had to be dragged kicking and screaming to this point, will his and Labour's fortunes pick up now he has done it?

    No, it won't. He just lost the north and Midlands
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