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It does say The Independent Group.0
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King Cole, you don't remember the plans for the Patrick Party?
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Yes I suppose so but I would have expected a couple of eagles or even unicorns, rampant.Scrapheap_as_was said:
Isn't it one of those presentation rules that if there's not a huge number of you, you don't want to appear in a cavernous empty surrounding.TOPPING said:It's a piddly little room - not one that has the grandeur of changing the face of British politics about it.
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So 'The Independent Group' is likely to be a larger MP grouping than the Lib Dems then?
Presuming people like John Woodcock join up with it too?0 -
I'd forgotten that only two of the Gang of Four were sitting MPs.
Could be the same here.0 -
https://twitter.com/GeneralBoles/status/1097438017332170753
Their website is currently blank (mind you it does exist which is better than a lot of launches I've been to).0 -
So...not an 'offical' party, at the moment I guess?0
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MASSIVE blow to the Lib Dems, this. A bunch of Labour MPs decide Labour are too 'Laboury' for them, resign, but instead of defecting to the existing well-established and well-respected Centrist party they form their own new one. Obvious outcome is that the Centrist vote gets befuddled and split and the Lib Dems chances of winning the next election and therefore of forming the next government are severely hampered.
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That suggests not a new party, but just flouncing out of their current party.El_Capitano said:It does say The Independent Group.
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TBH, no.Morris_Dancer said:King Cole, you don't remember the plans for the Patrick Party?
*eyes King Cole suspiciously*
Risky maybe, but
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Chuka in the house0
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The Late Party?
It is now 10.10am.0 -
In the room....0
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Berger, Leslie0
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Luciana Berger first through the door0
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Amazing how many people fail to spell his name correctly. Back to school for you!Floater said:
Chukka it is thenDonTsInferno_ said:0 -
Berger in front?0
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Walk of shame....0
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I am the Labour.....er......member of Parliament......0
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Berger as spokesperson also0
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All resigned from Labour.0
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The Magnificent Seven....0
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He's pro-Brexit though, I thought? Not the sort of Independence they are looking for in their quest for ideological purity.Scrapheap_as_was said:So 'The Independent Group' is likely to be a larger MP grouping than the Lib Dems then?
Presuming people like John Woodcock join up with it too?0 -
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And ChukaScott_P said:0 -
Phewee they've resigned. No threats. Eat that Len McCluskey.0
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This is seriously bad for Corbyn0
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King Cole, was an idea involving Miss Cyclefree, Mr. Patrick et al. for an essentially sensible party that's fiscally tight and socially liberal.0
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Well tired old timeserver Gapes hates the LibDems so not much prospect of a centre deal there.0
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So all that, and there’s no new party.Scott_P said:0 -
If you think the Lib Dems and the Independent Group are going to put candidates up against each other, I have a bridge to sell you.kinabalu said:MASSIVE blow to the Lib Dems, this. A bunch of Labour MPs decide Labour are too 'Laboury' for them, resign, but instead of defecting to the existing well-established and well-respected Centrist party they form their own new one. Obvious outcome is that the Centrist vote gets befuddled and split and the Lib Dems chances of winning the next election and therefore of forming the next government are severely hampered.
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She is leaving benhind a culture of bullying and intimidation0
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A round in spoons it is thanks to Dead Heat rules. Thanks for the money though Ladbrokes...0
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Interesting there's no new party. What'll they do come election time?0
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Layla Moran: "To those former Labour MPs who resigned today. You are brave. This must have been an incredibly difficult step. Look forward to (continuing) to work with you in Parliament. Especially towards delivering a People’s Vote and a more fair and equal Britain."0
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Thank you.Morris_Dancer said:King Cole, was an idea involving Miss Cyclefree, Mr. Patrick et al. for an essentially sensible party that's fiscally tight and socially liberal.
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You'd have thought John Woodcock would consider joining the new group.0
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Not any more, it isn't.eek said:https://twitter.com/GeneralBoles/status/1097438017332170753
Their website is currently blank (mind you it does exist which is better than a lot of launches I've been to).0 -
Who is sitting in the stool? And why?0
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That's a good point. When 52% of the population are prepared to line up behind Farage who stands in front of a racist/Islamaphobic poster then it's fair to say we live in a prejudiced country.Dura_Ace said:
As the ukipification of British society continues apace Islamophobia has been downgraded to an quirky yet partially understandable peccadillo like supporting Villa.Chris said:
Setting aside all the straw-man nonsense in your comment, apparently what you can't bring yourself to say is that it's wrong to be prejudiced against Muslims in general.0 -
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Full on attack on Corbyn by Chris Leslie0
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I suspect that's the end of them, politically, at the next election. With a 'party' it would be difficult; without, even if the LD's tactically support them, it'll be impossible.Morris_Dancer said:Interesting there's no new party. What'll they do come election time?
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Aren't we planning to do that as a nation on 29 March?MarqueeMark said:She is leaving benhind a culture of bullying and intimidation
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Berger, 8 months pregnant?Cookie said:Who is sitting in the stool? And why?
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They were doing that before?0 -
This is full on attack ripping corbs to shreds0
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Not the most inspiring of titles.0
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Yes it is. Erm, how exactly though? Theresa May gets an extra joke at PMQs but then what? These MPs presumably won't vote with her. The constituency parties will pick replacement candidates for the next election.Big_G_NorthWales said:This is seriously bad for Corbyn
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Fair to say none of them are sparkling orators.0
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He deserves itSlackbladder said:This is full on attack ripping corbs to shreds
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Berger mentioned a website - which I don't think is up yet - but otherwise there's no sign of a pitch for councillors, members, or the public to join anything.0
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The name seems selected to keep the door open for a handful of Tory MPs in future.0
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"Sitting as the Independent Group of MPs we appeal to colleagues from all parties to consider the best interests of the country above short-term party-political considerations and choose to do likewise."IanB2 said:Berger mentioned a website - which I don't think is up yet - but otherwise there's no sign of a pitch for councillors, members, or the public to join anything.
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Distinct lack of Tories in that group. Solid work by the whips. Hopefully we can stop this stupid deselection game otherwise some MPs who have nothing to lose will join this breakaway.0
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Not any more, it isn't.eek said:https://twitter.com/GeneralBoles/status/1097438017332170753
Their website is currently blank (mind you it does exist which is better than a lot of launches I've been to).0 -
https://www.theindependent.group/supportIanB2 said:Berger mentioned a website - which I don't think is up yet - but otherwise there's no sign of a pitch for councillors, members, or the public to join anything.
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It is astonishing in the unremitting attack on Corbyn and those around him. It is not just the EU but the wider anti-semitism, the anti west attitude and bullyingSlackbladder said:This is full on attack ripping corbs to shreds
The question for all remaining labour mps is are they prepared to carry on endorsing Corbyn or are they willing to join the independent group0 -
https://www.theindependent.groupIanB2 said:Berger mentioned a website - which I don't think is up yet - but otherwise there's no sign of a pitch for councillors, members, or the public to join anything.
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Googling 'The Independent Group' brings up this from Wikipedia:
The Independent Group (IG) met at the Institute of Contemporary Arts (ICA) in London, England, from 1952 to 1955. The IG consisted of painters, sculptors, architects, writers and critics who wanted to challenge prevailing modernist approaches to culture. They introduced mass culture into debates about high culture, re-evaluated modernism and created the "as found" or "found object" aesthetic.[1] The subject of renewed interest in a post disciplinary age, the IG was the topic of a two-day, international conference at the Tate Britain in March 2007. The Independent Group is regarded as the precursor to the Pop Art movement in Britain'0 -
Thx. And there are the "donate" and "support" tags, which make no sense unless some sort of organisation is coming.JonathanD said:
"Sitting as the Independent Group of MPs we appeal to colleagues from all parties to consider the best interests of the country above short-term party-political considerations and choose to do likewise."IanB2 said:Berger mentioned a website - which I don't think is up yet - but otherwise there's no sign of a pitch for councillors, members, or the public to join anything.
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It's not a very good name tbh.0
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Owen Jones' MP is the surprise member of the group, Ann Coffey (Stockport).0
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Dyslexia does tend to produce that result :-)_Anazina_ said:
Amazing how many people fail to spell his name correctly. Back to school for you!Floater said:
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Doesn't fit with their stated desire as being anti the Conservative government at the press conference.JonathanD said:
"Sitting as the Independent Group of MPs we appeal to colleagues from all parties to consider the best interests of the country above short-term party-political considerations and choose to do likewise."IanB2 said:Berger mentioned a website - which I don't think is up yet - but otherwise there's no sign of a pitch for councillors, members, or the public to join anything.
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All of these MPs should feel immensely proud today.0
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Will there be a diddy McIndependent Group? Would have thought Kezia, Ian Murray & Anas should be up for it?0
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"Sitting as the Independent Group of MPs we appeal to colleagues from all parties to consider the best interests of the country above short-term party-political considerations and choose to do likewise."0
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Behind Cloudflare on Digital Ocean?AndyJS said:
https://www.theindependent.groupIanB2 said:Berger mentioned a website - which I don't think is up yet - but otherwise there's no sign of a pitch for councillors, members, or the public to join anything.
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There are no intellectuals in the Corbyn bubble. Most of them probably couldn't even spell the word.Scott_P said:0 -
"Independents against Independence".Theuniondivvie said:Will there be a diddy McIndependent Group? Would have thought Kezia, Ian Murray & Anas should be up for it?
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In which case, my apologies sir.Floater said:
Dyslexia does tend to produce that result :-)_Anazina_ said:
Amazing how many people fail to spell his name correctly. Back to school for you!Floater said:
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Apart from anything about tuition fees it could be the LibDems. Or am I missing something?IanB2 said:"Sitting as the Independent Group of MPs we appeal to colleagues from all parties to consider the best interests of the country above short-term party-political considerations and choose to do likewise."
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OK well the main question is simple: is this a mini-opposition breakaway Labour group working to overthrow the hated Tories, or is it a come all ye cross-party, centrist grouping.
Website seems to suggest the latter; the speeches the former.0 -
