MASSIVE blow to the Lib Dems, this. A bunch of Labour MPs decide Labour are too 'Laboury' for them, resign, but instead of defecting to the existing well-established and well-respected Centrist party they form their own new one. Obvious outcome is that the Centrist vote gets befuddled and split and the Lib Dems chances of winning the next election and therefore of forming the next government are severely hampered.
MASSIVE blow to the Lib Dems, this. A bunch of Labour MPs decide Labour are too 'Laboury' for them, resign, but instead of defecting to the existing well-established and well-respected Centrist party they form their own new one. Obvious outcome is that the Centrist vote gets befuddled and split and the Lib Dems chances of winning the next election and therefore of forming the next government are severely hampered.
#dumbocentrists
If you think the Lib Dems and the Independent Group are going to put candidates up against each other, I have a bridge to sell you.
Layla Moran: "To those former Labour MPs who resigned today. You are brave. This must have been an incredibly difficult step. Look forward to (continuing) to work with you in Parliament. Especially towards delivering a People’s Vote and a more fair and equal Britain."
And according to Uncle Vince, he has been in talks about it for months. Several losers here. Labour, Corbyn, LibDems and the Splitters as their long term position as MPs are now in doubt, seem to be the obvious ones
Setting aside all the straw-man nonsense in your comment, apparently what you can't bring yourself to say is that it's wrong to be prejudiced against Muslims in general.
As the ukipification of British society continues apace Islamophobia has been downgraded to an quirky yet partially understandable peccadillo like supporting Villa.
That's a good point. When 52% of the population are prepared to line up behind Farage who stands in front of a racist/Islamaphobic poster then it's fair to say we live in a prejudiced country.
Interesting there's no new party. What'll they do come election time?
I suspect that's the end of them, politically, at the next election. With a 'party' it would be difficult; without, even if the LD's tactically support them, it'll be impossible.
Yes it is. Erm, how exactly though? Theresa May gets an extra joke at PMQs but then what? These MPs presumably won't vote with her. The constituency parties will pick replacement candidates for the next election.
Berger mentioned a website - which I don't think is up yet - but otherwise there's no sign of a pitch for councillors, members, or the public to join anything.
Berger mentioned a website - which I don't think is up yet - but otherwise there's no sign of a pitch for councillors, members, or the public to join anything.
"Sitting as the Independent Group of MPs we appeal to colleagues from all parties to consider the best interests of the country above short-term party-political considerations and choose to do likewise."
Distinct lack of Tories in that group. Solid work by the whips. Hopefully we can stop this stupid deselection game otherwise some MPs who have nothing to lose will join this breakaway.
Berger mentioned a website - which I don't think is up yet - but otherwise there's no sign of a pitch for councillors, members, or the public to join anything.
It is astonishing in the unremitting attack on Corbyn and those around him. It is not just the EU but the wider anti-semitism, the anti west attitude and bullying
The question for all remaining labour mps is are they prepared to carry on endorsing Corbyn or are they willing to join the independent group
Berger mentioned a website - which I don't think is up yet - but otherwise there's no sign of a pitch for councillors, members, or the public to join anything.
Googling 'The Independent Group' brings up this from Wikipedia: The Independent Group (IG) met at the Institute of Contemporary Arts (ICA) in London, England, from 1952 to 1955. The IG consisted of painters, sculptors, architects, writers and critics who wanted to challenge prevailing modernist approaches to culture. They introduced mass culture into debates about high culture, re-evaluated modernism and created the "as found" or "found object" aesthetic.[1] The subject of renewed interest in a post disciplinary age, the IG was the topic of a two-day, international conference at the Tate Britain in March 2007. The Independent Group is regarded as the precursor to the Pop Art movement in Britain'
Berger mentioned a website - which I don't think is up yet - but otherwise there's no sign of a pitch for councillors, members, or the public to join anything.
"Sitting as the Independent Group of MPs we appeal to colleagues from all parties to consider the best interests of the country above short-term party-political considerations and choose to do likewise."
Berger mentioned a website - which I don't think is up yet - but otherwise there's no sign of a pitch for councillors, members, or the public to join anything.
"Sitting as the Independent Group of MPs we appeal to colleagues from all parties to consider the best interests of the country above short-term party-political considerations and choose to do likewise."
"Sitting as the Independent Group of MPs we appeal to colleagues from all parties to consider the best interests of the country above short-term party-political considerations and choose to do likewise."
Berger mentioned a website - which I don't think is up yet - but otherwise there's no sign of a pitch for councillors, members, or the public to join anything.
"Sitting as the Independent Group of MPs we appeal to colleagues from all parties to consider the best interests of the country above short-term party-political considerations and choose to do likewise."
Apart from anything about tuition fees it could be the LibDems. Or am I missing something?
OK well the main question is simple: is this a mini-opposition breakaway Labour group working to overthrow the hated Tories, or is it a come all ye cross-party, centrist grouping.
Website seems to suggest the latter; the speeches the former.
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*eyes King Cole suspiciously*
Presuming people like John Woodcock join up with it too?
Could be the same here.
Their website is currently blank (mind you it does exist which is better than a lot of launches I've been to).
#dumbocentrists
...back to how it was before we lost the referendum
Risky maybe, but
Enlighten me.
It is now 10.10am.
is live.
Several losers here.
Labour, Corbyn, LibDems and the Splitters as their long term position as MPs are now in doubt, seem to be the obvious ones
They were doing that before?
Better chance of getting Woodcock et al
https://www.theindependent.group/statement
The question for all remaining labour mps is are they prepared to carry on endorsing Corbyn or are they willing to join the independent group
The Independent Group (IG) met at the Institute of Contemporary Arts (ICA) in London, England, from 1952 to 1955. The IG consisted of painters, sculptors, architects, writers and critics who wanted to challenge prevailing modernist approaches to culture. They introduced mass culture into debates about high culture, re-evaluated modernism and created the "as found" or "found object" aesthetic.[1] The subject of renewed interest in a post disciplinary age, the IG was the topic of a two-day, international conference at the Tate Britain in March 2007. The Independent Group is regarded as the precursor to the Pop Art movement in Britain'
Website seems to suggest the latter; the speeches the former.
Owen Jones? Shume mistake.