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SCOTUS with Roberts front row centre
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First. Maybe.0
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If the wall does get built - will the Deomcrats pledge to take it down?
My money would be on no.....0 -
Like him or not he is bouncing back in the popularity stakes, still in deficit but not by that much.0
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Roberts was also the swing vote that upheld Obamacare, I think.0
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Roberts ruling 'upheld' Obamacare whilst simultaneously giving the Republicans an incredibly easy way to trash it with the status of the individual mandate. That it took the Republicans so long to torpedo it shows how dysfunctional as a party they are.SouthamObserver said:Roberts was also the swing vote that upheld Obamacare, I think.
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Given polling in the US shows a majority now oppose the Wall but want tighter immigration restrictions I expect a similar Roberts ruling, denying funding for the Wall is needed as a matter of national emergency but granting extra funding for more border patrols and fencing.
Overall CNN has voters opposing building a border wall with Mexico by 56% to 39% and ABC by 54% to 42% so while most Republicans back funding for the Wall most Americans as a whole oppose it, a similar divide to UK polls on No Deal
https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2019/01/13/Polls-Majority-oppose-border-wall-blame-Trump-for-shutdown/3141547389844/0 -
Didn't they start building it in the 90s?MarqueeMark said:If the wall does get built - will the Deomcrats pledge to take it down?
My money would be on no.....0 -
If the Mexicans had agreed to pay for the wall.As Trump said they would.
Would that have caused any problems?0 -
The issue is not whether individual justices are or are not in favour of a wall but whether Trump has or has not misused his executive powers. In short, has he upset the delicate balance between legislature, executive and judiciary?
That has very wide-ranging implications, beyond the question of how to prevent illegal immigration into the US (I’m not clear as to whether Democrats oppose any attempt to control illegal immigration or only this particular way of doing so).
For instance, if the Supreme Court were to find that Trump has not abused Presidential powers in this case, then that leaves the way open for a Democrat President to take executive action on the basis of a national emergency to control guns.
So the question at issue may end up cutting across party lines in surprising ways. After all, Democrats have in the past been quite keen on Presidents expanding their powers - FDR anyone? Thoughtful Republicans might worry about a ruling which extends Presidential executive powers, something the US system has always been designed to keep in check.
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I’m sure that there are some US politicians that realise behaving in a certain way could (and probably will) have consequences when the roles are reversed but I guess that when you have a, at best, 2 year horizon, the medium to long term is another country.Cyclefree said:The issue is not whether individual justices are or are not in favour of a wall but whether Trump has or has not misused his executive powers. In short, has he upset the delicate balance between legislature, executive and judiciary?
That has very wide-ranging implications, beyond the question of how to prevent illegal immigration into the US (I’m not clear as to whether Democrats oppose any attempt to control illegal immigration or only this particular way of doing so).
For instance, if the Supreme Court were to find that Trump has not abused Presidential powers in this case, then that leaves the way open for a Democrat President to take executive action on the basis of a national emergency to control guns.
So the question at issue may end up cutting across party lines in surprising ways. After all, Democrats have in the past been quite keen on Presidents expanding their powers - FDR anyone? Thoughtful Republicans might worry about a ruling which extends Presidential executive powers, something the US system has always been designed to keep in check.0 -
Less than 992 hours to Brexit-hour.0
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If UK was joined to mainland Europe by a strip of land not a strip of sea, we would already have a border wall identical to Trumps proposition? Would we not?
Whilst drugs were such a problem throughout every community in the UK, and the wall sold as an answer to tackling the drug menace, UK voters would show a clear majority for the UK border wall.
Conclusion:US voters have a more libertarian and cosmopolitan dna than British voters.0 -
First like the ERG..0
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W do have a land border with the EU (well we will from March 29 or therabouts) and politicians have been tying themselves in knots desperately not to build a wall. So that would be a "no" then.dots said:If UK was joined to mainland Europe by a strip of land not a strip of sea, we would already have a border wall identical to Trumps proposition? Would we not?
Whilst drugs were such a problem throughout every community in the UK, and the wall sold as an answer to tackling the drug menace, UK voters would show a clear majority for the UK border wall.
Conclusion:US voters have a more libertarian and cosmopolitan dna than British voters.0 -
I am not so sure that I agree with the analysis in the thread header here. Traditionally, conservative Justices have sought to limit both the powers of the Federal government and the President and more liberal Justices have been more enabling. I don’t see that reversing just because it is a notionally Republican president who is seeking to expand Presidential power. The Supreme Court is very conscious of precedent and will not be looking at this as a one off.0
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Great quoting, kid. Don't get cocky...Sunil_Prasannan said:
"R2D2, it is you! It is you!"edmundintokyo said:
I agree, a GE is more likely than R2.SunnyJim said:Why would TM agree to R2 before she would agree to a GE?
The latter gives her an out which would at least keep the Tories together whilst going for R2 would rip them apart.
She can offer a GE on a manifesto binding all candidates to her deal (she will lose a few current MP's of course who would not stand on that platform) and explain it away as the only realistic option to escape the impasse.
Offering R2 is utterly nuts and gets crazier the more I consider it.0 -
But the decision will be made by judges who will, I hope, take a longer-term view beyond the immediate issue at hand.matt said:
I’m sure that there are some US politicians that realise behaving in a certain way could (and probably will) have consequences when the roles are reversed but I guess that when you have a, at best, 2 year horizon, the medium to long term is another country.Cyclefree said:The issue is not whether individual justices are or are not in favour of a wall but whether Trump has or has not misused his executive powers. In short, has he upset the delicate balance between legislature, executive and judiciary?
That has very wide-ranging implications, beyond the question of how to prevent illegal immigration into the US (I’m not clear as to whether Democrats oppose any attempt to control illegal immigration or only this particular way of doing so).
For instance, if the Supreme Court were to find that Trump has not abused Presidential powers in this case, then that leaves the way open for a Democrat President to take executive action on the basis of a national emergency to control guns.
So the question at issue may end up cutting across party lines in surprising ways. After all, Democrats have in the past been quite keen on Presidents expanding their powers - FDR anyone? Thoughtful Republicans might worry about a ruling which extends Presidential executive powers, something the US system has always been designed to keep in check.
It occurs to me - seeing how Trump presented his decision yesterday - that he may be seeking to make 2 points to his voters, if he wins: Not just “I built the wall as I promised” but “I’ve changed the SCOTUS”.
If he loses, what effect might this have on his chances of re-election and, indeed, his desire to seek re-election?0 -
To take a specific example I would be surprised if Thomas backs this.0
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Another statement of the bleeding obvious (other than to our MPs, clearly) and something which has been said on here -
“Generally speaking , governments and parliaments are able to ratify to ratify international treaties. The fact that the UK is stuck and is unable to ratify this agreement creates huge difficulties for them, not just now but into also the future because part of the case for Brexit was that the UK would be able to strike trade deals with countries all over the world.
“But countries are looking at the UK and wondering is this a country that is going to be able to make agreements, ratify them and stick to them.”
By the Taoiseach, Varadkar.0 -
It’s why treaty negotiations are really a matter for governments not Parliaments. If Parliament really doesn’t like it the choice is to kick the government out of office, not to try and negotiate the treaty themselves.Cyclefree said:Another statement of the bleeding obvious (other than to our MPs, clearly) and something which has been said on here -
“Generally speaking , governments and parliaments are able to ratify to ratify international treaties. The fact that the UK is stuck and is unable to ratify this agreement creates huge difficulties for them, not just now but into also the future because part of the case for Brexit was that the UK would be able to strike trade deals with countries all over the world.
“But countries are looking at the UK and wondering is this a country that is going to be able to make agreements, ratify them and stick to them.”
By the Taoiseach, Varadkar.0 -
Would have been much easier without the meaningful vote.Cyclefree said:Another statement of the bleeding obvious (other than to our MPs, clearly) and something which has been said on here -
“Generally speaking , governments and parliaments are able to ratify to ratify international treaties. The fact that the UK is stuck and is unable to ratify this agreement creates huge difficulties for them, not just now but into also the future because part of the case for Brexit was that the UK would be able to strike trade deals with countries all over the world.
“But countries are looking at the UK and wondering is this a country that is going to be able to make agreements, ratify them and stick to them.”
By the Taoiseach, Varadkar.0 -
Trump doesn't want to win in the Supreme Court. He certainly doesn't want a wall built, at least not until a second term. It's political capital; by keeping it in the zeitgeist he wins by getting the Democrats to show their true colours; the "progressive" Democratic candidates are falling over themselves to say they want to tear down the existing barriers. Americans may be ambivalent to the wall but they aren't open borders nutters.
If he had really wanted it he would have got it funded while Republicans held both houses. Of course the trouble for him is keeping his supporters on side despite the fact he's blatantly stalling.0 -
Another member of Leavers Against Parliamentary Sovereignty.RobD said:
Would have been much easier without the meaningful vote.Cyclefree said:Another statement of the bleeding obvious (other than to our MPs, clearly) and something which has been said on here -
“Generally speaking , governments and parliaments are able to ratify to ratify international treaties. The fact that the UK is stuck and is unable to ratify this agreement creates huge difficulties for them, not just now but into also the future because part of the case for Brexit was that the UK would be able to strike trade deals with countries all over the world.
“But countries are looking at the UK and wondering is this a country that is going to be able to make agreements, ratify them and stick to them.”
By the Taoiseach, Varadkar.0 -
Simply stating a fact.AlastairMeeks said:
Another member of Leavers Against Parliamentary Sovereignty.RobD said:
Would have been much easier without the meaningful vote.Cyclefree said:Another statement of the bleeding obvious (other than to our MPs, clearly) and something which has been said on here -
“Generally speaking , governments and parliaments are able to ratify to ratify international treaties. The fact that the UK is stuck and is unable to ratify this agreement creates huge difficulties for them, not just now but into also the future because part of the case for Brexit was that the UK would be able to strike trade deals with countries all over the world.
“But countries are looking at the UK and wondering is this a country that is going to be able to make agreements, ratify them and stick to them.”
By the Taoiseach, Varadkar.0 -
This is the best analysis I’ve seen:
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/02/nancy-pelosi-trump-emergency-wall-fail.html
Congress could have tied Trump’s hands a little more tightly perhaps.
Giving him rope ?0 -
but facts are chiels that winna dingRobD said:
Simply stating a fact.AlastairMeeks said:
Another member of Leavers Against Parliamentary Sovereignty.RobD said:
Would have been much easier without the meaningful vote.Cyclefree said:Another statement of the bleeding obvious (other than to our MPs, clearly) and something which has been said on here -
“Generally speaking , governments and parliaments are able to ratify to ratify international treaties. The fact that the UK is stuck and is unable to ratify this agreement creates huge difficulties for them, not just now but into also the future because part of the case for Brexit was that the UK would be able to strike trade deals with countries all over the world.
“But countries are looking at the UK and wondering is this a country that is going to be able to make agreements, ratify them and stick to them.”
By the Taoiseach, Varadkar.
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Yes, it's utterly wrong and contemptible.SeanT said:Karl Marx's grave is being targeted. Deep irony here.
https://twitter.com/thomasknox/status/1096800207772241922
But as wrong as it is, it's the logical conclusion of the Rhodes Must Fall nonsense and all the other revisionist nonsense peddled by the hard left. The tactics of the hard left being used against them. Excuse me while I play a sad tune on this, the world's smallest violin.0 -
Donald Trump has declared a National Emergency when there obviously is nothing of the sort. Any judge that finds otherwise is making him or herself look. .. well I won't say but it is not complimentary.0
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I've said previously that the chances of parliament approving new trades are minimal.Cyclefree said:Another statement of the bleeding obvious (other than to our MPs, clearly) and something which has been said on here -
“Generally speaking , governments and parliaments are able to ratify to ratify international treaties. The fact that the UK is stuck and is unable to ratify this agreement creates huge difficulties for them, not just now but into also the future because part of the case for Brexit was that the UK would be able to strike trade deals with countries all over the world.
“But countries are looking at the UK and wondering is this a country that is going to be able to make agreements, ratify them and stick to them.”
By the Taoiseach, Varadkar.
Its a lot easier for politicians to oppose something than support something.0 -
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Regarding seats at the UN: Not only did Russia inherit the former USSR seat, but Ukraine and Belarus also inherited theirs from the Ukrainian SSR and the Byelorussian SSR respectively. Both were UN members in their own right in 1945.0 -
That rather depends on the wording of the law though.kinabalu said:Donald Trump has declared a National Emergency when there obviously is nothing of the sort. Any judge that finds otherwise is making him or herself look. .. well I won't say but it is not complimentary.
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It does remind you that the evil of communism has murdered multiple times those murdered in the name of the evil of facisism. I wonder whether posters on here who seem relatively proud of having been communists ever reflect on that.SeanT said:
Quite. I abhor this and any vandalism of London's cemeteries - they are one of its glories. But there was a kind of arrogance in thinking you could have this large and haughty grave, of all graves, right in the middle of the cemetery, and not in the end get some kickback - in the present climate of iconoclasm.kyf_100 said:
Yes, it's utterly wrong and contemptible.SeanT said:Karl Marx's grave is being targeted. Deep irony here.
https://twitter.com/thomasknox/status/1096800207772241922
But as wrong as it is, it's the logical conclusion of the Rhodes Must Fall nonsense and all the other revisionist nonsense peddled by the hard left. The tactics of the hard left being used against them. Excuse me while I play a sad tune on this, the world's smallest violin.
I suspect they will end up having to move it, or shield it with protective plastic/barriers etc.0 -
Good afternoon, everyone.
About a quarter of the way through the third Stormlight Archives book. Rather liking it, though I was a bit late acquiring it.0 -
Whilst I don't keep up with everyone's opinions have there been extensive calls on the left against Adam Smith having a grave?kyf_100 said:
Yes, it's utterly wrong and contemptible.SeanT said:Karl Marx's grave is being targeted. Deep irony here.
https://twitter.com/thomasknox/status/1096800207772241922
But as wrong as it is, it's the logical conclusion of the Rhodes Must Fall nonsense and all the other revisionist nonsense peddled by the hard left. The tactics of the hard left being used against them. Excuse me while I play a sad tune on this, the world's smallest violin.0 -
I suspect they think they are as much to blame for those death tolls as you as a capitalist think you are to blame for Nazi German deaths.DavidL said:
It does remind you that the evil of communism has murdered multiple times those murdered in the name of the evil of facisism. I wonder whether posters on here who seem relatively proud of having been communists ever reflect on that.SeanT said:
Quite. I abhor this and any vandalism of London's cemeteries - they are one of its glories. But there was a kind of arrogance in thinking you could have this large and haughty grave, of all graves, right in the middle of the cemetery, and not in the end get some kickback - in the present climate of iconoclasm.kyf_100 said:
Yes, it's utterly wrong and contemptible.SeanT said:Karl Marx's grave is being targeted. Deep irony here.
https://twitter.com/thomasknox/status/1096800207772241922
But as wrong as it is, it's the logical conclusion of the Rhodes Must Fall nonsense and all the other revisionist nonsense peddled by the hard left. The tactics of the hard left being used against them. Excuse me while I play a sad tune on this, the world's smallest violin.
I suspect they will end up having to move it, or shield it with protective plastic/barriers etc.0 -
After GoT I am a little reluctant to commit myself to a series that is not actually finished. Is this not supposed to be 10 books eventually?Morris_Dancer said:Good afternoon, everyone.
About a quarter of the way through the third Stormlight Archives book. Rather liking it, though I was a bit late acquiring it.0 -
It's in the Canongate cemetary on the Royal Mile.TheJezziah said:
Whilst I don't keep up with everyone's opinions have there been extensive calls on the left against Adam Smith having a grave?kyf_100 said:
Yes, it's utterly wrong and contemptible.SeanT said:Karl Marx's grave is being targeted. Deep irony here.
https://twitter.com/thomasknox/status/1096800207772241922
But as wrong as it is, it's the logical conclusion of the Rhodes Must Fall nonsense and all the other revisionist nonsense peddled by the hard left. The tactics of the hard left being used against them. Excuse me while I play a sad tune on this, the world's smallest violin.
My colleague was looking for it in the 1970s and failing to find it asked the graveyard attendant - "Ah, the trombone player"
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Then they are wrong. Communism is evil. It is built on the premise of an excessively powerful state and a disregard for the individual. As is facisism, of course.TheJezziah said:
I suspect they think they are as much to blame for those death tolls as you as a capitalist think you are to blame for Nazi German deaths.DavidL said:
It does remind you that the evil of communism has murdered multiple times those murdered in the name of the evil of facisism. I wonder whether posters on here who seem relatively proud of having been communists ever reflect on that.SeanT said:
Quite. I abhor this and any vandalism of London's cemeteries - they are one of its glories. But there was a kind of arrogance in thinking you could have this large and haughty grave, of all graves, right in the middle of the cemetery, and not in the end get some kickback - in the present climate of iconoclasm.kyf_100 said:
Yes, it's utterly wrong and contemptible.SeanT said:Karl Marx's grave is being targeted. Deep irony here.
https://twitter.com/thomasknox/status/1096800207772241922
But as wrong as it is, it's the logical conclusion of the Rhodes Must Fall nonsense and all the other revisionist nonsense peddled by the hard left. The tactics of the hard left being used against them. Excuse me while I play a sad tune on this, the world's smallest violin.
I suspect they will end up having to move it, or shield it with protective plastic/barriers etc.0 -
The Nazis were against capitalists too! "Anglo-Saxon Plutocrats"TheJezziah said:
I suspect they think they are as much to blame for those death tolls as you as a capitalist think you are to blame for Nazi German deaths.DavidL said:
It does remind you that the evil of communism has murdered multiple times those murdered in the name of the evil of facisism. I wonder whether posters on here who seem relatively proud of having been communists ever reflect on that.SeanT said:
Quite. I abhor this and any vandalism of London's cemeteries - they are one of its glories. But there was a kind of arrogance in thinking you could have this large and haughty grave, of all graves, right in the middle of the cemetery, and not in the end get some kickback - in the present climate of iconoclasm.kyf_100 said:
Yes, it's utterly wrong and contemptible.SeanT said:Karl Marx's grave is being targeted. Deep irony here.
https://twitter.com/thomasknox/status/1096800207772241922
But as wrong as it is, it's the logical conclusion of the Rhodes Must Fall nonsense and all the other revisionist nonsense peddled by the hard left. The tactics of the hard left being used against them. Excuse me while I play a sad tune on this, the world's smallest violin.
I suspect they will end up having to move it, or shield it with protective plastic/barriers etc.0 -
Mr. L, I believe there is a 10 book plan.
Brandon Sanderson is annoyingly fast as a writer, but if you're concerned about delays you could always try the Mistborn trilogy (there's a trilogy and three stand-alones, I think, set in the same world).
That said, if people asked me for one fantasy recommendation I might well go for The First Law trilogy by Joe Abercrombie. On a related note, I blogged about some great fantasy samples I reviewed recently, which could give you some ideas, if you're after any:
http://thaddeusthesixth.blogspot.com/2019/02/snapshots-pick-of-bunch.html
Or buy The Bloody Crown Trilogy, by me, which has the third instalment likely out late March/April.0 -
Nope - next questionDavidL said:
It does remind you that the evil of communism has murdered multiple times those murdered in the name of the evil of facisism. I wonder whether posters on here who seem relatively proud of having been communists ever reflect on that.SeanT said:
Quite. I abhor this and any vandalism of London's cemeteries - they are one of its glories. But there was a kind of arrogance in thinking you could have this large and haughty grave, of all graves, right in the middle of the cemetery, and not in the end get some kickback - in the present climate of iconoclasm.kyf_100 said:
Yes, it's utterly wrong and contemptible.SeanT said:Karl Marx's grave is being targeted. Deep irony here.
https://twitter.com/thomasknox/status/1096800207772241922
But as wrong as it is, it's the logical conclusion of the Rhodes Must Fall nonsense and all the other revisionist nonsense peddled by the hard left. The tactics of the hard left being used against them. Excuse me while I play a sad tune on this, the world's smallest violin.
I suspect they will end up having to move it, or shield it with protective plastic/barriers etc.0 -
His statue on the Royal mile frequently has the adornment of a traffic cone.geoffw said:
It's in the Canongate cemetary on the Royal Mile.TheJezziah said:
Whilst I don't keep up with everyone's opinions have there been extensive calls on the left against Adam Smith having a grave?kyf_100 said:
Yes, it's utterly wrong and contemptible.SeanT said:Karl Marx's grave is being targeted. Deep irony here.
https://twitter.com/thomasknox/status/1096800207772241922
But as wrong as it is, it's the logical conclusion of the Rhodes Must Fall nonsense and all the other revisionist nonsense peddled by the hard left. The tactics of the hard left being used against them. Excuse me while I play a sad tune on this, the world's smallest violin.
My colleague was looking for it in the 1970s and failing to find it asked the graveyard attendant - "Ah, the trombone player"0 -
https://twitter.com/Samfr/status/1096751638478577665
Pineapple on pizza?
Or was that a 2018 cultural war issue?0 -
Ahh, they were the wrong kind of capitalists so don't count towards you feeling bad whereas of course anyone who calls themselves a communist should feel bad about the actions of anyone else communist, regardless of whether they feel they were the wrong kind of communist.DavidL said:
Then they are wrong. Communism is evil. It is built on the premise of an excessively powerful state and a disregard for the individual. As is facisism, of course.TheJezziah said:
I suspect they think they are as much to blame for those death tolls as you as a capitalist think you are to blame for Nazi German deaths.DavidL said:
It does remind you that the evil of communism has murdered multiple times those murdered in the name of the evil of facisism. I wonder whether posters on here who seem relatively proud of having been communists ever reflect on that.SeanT said:
Quite. I abhor this and any vandalism of London's cemeteries - they are one of its glories. But there was a kind of arrogance in thinking you could have this large and haughty grave, of all graves, right in the middle of the cemetery, and not in the end get some kickback - in the present climate of iconoclasm.kyf_100 said:
Yes, it's utterly wrong and contemptible.SeanT said:Karl Marx's grave is being targeted. Deep irony here.
https://twitter.com/thomasknox/status/1096800207772241922
But as wrong as it is, it's the logical conclusion of the Rhodes Must Fall nonsense and all the other revisionist nonsense peddled by the hard left. The tactics of the hard left being used against them. Excuse me while I play a sad tune on this, the world's smallest violin.
I suspect they will end up having to move it, or shield it with protective plastic/barriers etc.
I guess it is sort of like no true Scotsman....0 -
Just finished the All Souls trilogy. It was rather good.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. L, I believe there is a 10 book plan.
Brandon Sanderson is annoyingly fast as a writer, but if you're concerned about delays you could always try the Mistborn trilogy (there's a trilogy and three stand-alones, I think, set in the same world).
That said, if people asked me for one fantasy recommendation I might well go for The First Law trilogy by Joe Abercrombie. On a related note, I blogged about some great fantasy samples I reviewed recently, which could give you some ideas, if you're after any:
http://thaddeusthesixth.blogspot.com/2019/02/snapshots-pick-of-bunch.html
Or buy The Bloody Crown Trilogy, by me, which has the third instalment likely out late March/April.0 -
Support for immigration in America is at its highesy ever levels. Over 70% in favour.brokenwheel said:Trump doesn't want to win in the Supreme Court. He certainly doesn't want a wall built, at least not until a second term. It's political capital; by keeping it in the zeitgeist he wins by getting the Democrats to show their true colours; the "progressive" Democratic candidates are falling over themselves to say they want to tear down the existing barriers. Americans may be ambivalent to the wall but they aren't open borders nutters.
If he had really wanted it he would have got it funded while Republicans held both houses. Of course the trouble for him is keeping his supporters on side despite the fact he's blatantly stalling.0 -
Indeed. Think I'll be cremated.SeanT said:
In the end the only answer is for everyone's grave to be desecrated by everyone else, on the grounds that everyone has, at some point, had a sexist/racist thought, been in some way phobic, agreed with imperialism, Marxism, whatever. So ALL gravestones must be vandalised.TheJezziah said:
I suspect they think they are as much to blame for those death tolls as you as a capitalist think you are to blame for Nazi German deaths.DavidL said:
It does remind you that the evil of communism has murdered multiple times those murdered in the name of the evil of facisism. I wonder whether posters on here who seem relatively proud of having been communists ever reflect on that.SeanT said:
Quite. I abhor this and any vandalism of London's cemeteries - they are one of its glories. But there was a kind of arrogance in thinking you could have this large and haughty grave, of all graves, right in the middle of the cemetery, and not in the end get some kickback - in the present climate of iconoclasm.kyf_100 said:
Yes, it's utterly wrong and contemptible.SeanT said:Karl Marx's grave is being targeted. Deep irony here.
https://twitter.com/thomasknox/status/1096800207772241922
But as wrong as it is, it's the logical conclusion of the Rhodes Must Fall nonsense and all the other revisionist nonsense peddled by the hard left. The tactics of the hard left being used against them. Excuse me while I play a sad tune on this, the world's smallest violin.
I suspect they will end up having to move it, or shield it with protective plastic/barriers etc.0 -
Where gallus Glasgow goes, rabbity Edinburgh follows.DavidL said:
His statue on the Royal mile frequently has the adornment of a traffic cone.geoffw said:
It's in the Canongate cemetary on the Royal Mile.TheJezziah said:
Whilst I don't keep up with everyone's opinions have there been extensive calls on the left against Adam Smith having a grave?kyf_100 said:
Yes, it's utterly wrong and contemptible.SeanT said:Karl Marx's grave is being targeted. Deep irony here.
https://twitter.com/thomasknox/status/1096800207772241922
But as wrong as it is, it's the logical conclusion of the Rhodes Must Fall nonsense and all the other revisionist nonsense peddled by the hard left. The tactics of the hard left being used against them. Excuse me while I play a sad tune on this, the world's smallest violin.
My colleague was looking for it in the 1970s and failing to find it asked the graveyard attendant - "Ah, the trombone player"
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Black bin bag would do me.dixiedean said:
Indeed. Think I'll be cremated.SeanT said:
In the end the only answer is for everyone's grave to be desecrated by everyone else, on the grounds that everyone has, at some point, had a sexist/racist thought, been in some way phobic, agreed with imperialism, Marxism, whatever. So ALL gravestones must be vandalised.TheJezziah said:
I suspect they think they are as much to blame for those death tolls as you as a capitalist think you are to blame for Nazi German deaths.DavidL said:
It does remind you that the evil of communism has murdered multiple times those murdered in the name of the evil of facisism. I wonder whether posters on here who seem relatively proud of having been communists ever reflect on that.SeanT said:
Quite. I abhor this and any vandalism of London's cemeteries - they are one of its glories. But there was a kind of arrogance in thinking you could have this large and haughty grave, of all graves, right in the middle of the cemetery, and not in the end get some kickback - in the present climate of iconoclasm.kyf_100 said:
Yes, it's utterly wrong and contemptible.SeanT said:Karl Marx's grave is being targeted. Deep irony here.
https://twitter.com/thomasknox/status/1096800207772241922
But as wrong as it is, it's the logical conclusion of the Rhodes Must Fall nonsense and all the other revisionist nonsense peddled by the hard left. The tactics of the hard left being used against them. Excuse me while I play a sad tune on this, the world's smallest violin.
I suspect they will end up having to move it, or shield it with protective plastic/barriers etc.0 -
No that's Wellington in GlasgowDavidL said:
His statue on the Royal mile frequently has the adornment of a traffic cone.geoffw said:
It's in the Canongate cemetary on the Royal Mile.TheJezziah said:
Whilst I don't keep up with everyone's opinions have there been extensive calls on the left against Adam Smith having a grave?kyf_100 said:
Yes, it's utterly wrong and contemptible.SeanT said:Karl Marx's grave is being targeted. Deep irony here.
https://twitter.com/thomasknox/status/1096800207772241922
But as wrong as it is, it's the logical conclusion of the Rhodes Must Fall nonsense and all the other revisionist nonsense peddled by the hard left. The tactics of the hard left being used against them. Excuse me while I play a sad tune on this, the world's smallest violin.
My colleague was looking for it in the 1970s and failing to find it asked the graveyard attendant - "Ah, the trombone player"0 -
I'm not at all sure Roberts is the swing justice on this.
For a thinking, minimal state conservative, letting this pass would be a disaster. Trump has invented the concept of a non-emergency emergency, but a future big state liberal will get the real mileage out of it. It would not for one moment surprise me if Kavanaugh ironically kills this.0 -
Well, thanks very much (not) to the idiots who did this, it probably means that ordinary people won't be able to walk around the cemetery in future with the same freedom that we've able to do up to now. Morons.SeanT said:Karl Marx's grave is being targeted. Deep irony here.
https://twitter.com/thomasknox/status/10968002077722419220 -
Surely the point kyf was missing is that statues of various people being taken down or not do not equate to vandalising the graves of people like Adam Smith or Karl Marx.SeanT said:
In the end the only answer is for everyone's grave to be desecrated by everyone else, on the grounds that everyone has, at some point, had a sexist/racist thought, been in some way phobic, agreed with imperialism, Marxism, whatever. So ALL gravestones must be vandalised.TheJezziah said:
I suspect they think they are as much to blame for those death tolls as you as a capitalist think you are to blame for Nazi German deaths.DavidL said:
It does remind you that the evil of communism has murdered multiple times those murdered in the name of the evil of facisism. I wonder whether posters on here who seem relatively proud of having been communists ever reflect on that.SeanT said:
Quite. I abhor this and any vandalism of London's cemeteries - they are one of its glories. But there was a kind of arrogance in thinking you could have this large and haughty grave, of all graves, right in the middle of the cemetery, and not in the end get some kickback - in the present climate of iconoclasm.kyf_100 said:
Yes, it's utterly wrong and contemptible.SeanT said:Karl Marx's grave is being targeted. Deep irony here.
https://twitter.com/thomasknox/status/1096800207772241922
But as wrong as it is, it's the logical conclusion of the Rhodes Must Fall nonsense and all the other revisionist nonsense peddled by the hard left. The tactics of the hard left being used against them. Excuse me while I play a sad tune on this, the world's smallest violin.
I suspect they will end up having to move it, or shield it with protective plastic/barriers etc.
And my point was those who aren't terribly unhappy about his grave being vandalised or talk about it being tactics used against people wouldn't feel similarly about the same to Smith's grave.
It isn't worth getting wound up about though and I suspect that was the idea behind it.0 -
I find it hard to compare philosophical thinker Karl Marx with massive racist Cecil Rhodes.kyf_100 said:
Yes, it's utterly wrong and contemptible.SeanT said:Karl Marx's grave is being targeted. Deep irony here.
https://twitter.com/thomasknox/status/1096800207772241922
But as wrong as it is, it's the logical conclusion of the Rhodes Must Fall nonsense and all the other revisionist nonsense peddled by the hard left. The tactics of the hard left being used against them. Excuse me while I play a sad tune on this, the world's smallest violin.0 -
Yes, you're right. Marx killed far more people.Alistair said:
I find it hard to compare philosophical thinker Karl Marx with massive racist Cecil Rhodes.kyf_100 said:
Yes, it's utterly wrong and contemptible.SeanT said:Karl Marx's grave is being targeted. Deep irony here.
https://twitter.com/thomasknox/status/1096800207772241922
But as wrong as it is, it's the logical conclusion of the Rhodes Must Fall nonsense and all the other revisionist nonsense peddled by the hard left. The tactics of the hard left being used against them. Excuse me while I play a sad tune on this, the world's smallest violin.0 -
Did Rhodes kill 66,000,000?Alistair said:
I find it hard to compare philosophical thinker Karl Marx with massive racist Cecil Rhodes.kyf_100 said:
Yes, it's utterly wrong and contemptible.SeanT said:Karl Marx's grave is being targeted. Deep irony here.
https://twitter.com/thomasknox/status/1096800207772241922
But as wrong as it is, it's the logical conclusion of the Rhodes Must Fall nonsense and all the other revisionist nonsense peddled by the hard left. The tactics of the hard left being used against them. Excuse me while I play a sad tune on this, the world's smallest violin.0 -
Mr. L, not heard of that. Fantasy, I take it?0
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TBH I think some people are slightly confused about who Karl Marx is...0
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You're right Marx is worse by an order of magnitude.Alistair said:
I find it hard to compare philosophical thinker Karl Marx with massive racist Cecil Rhodes.kyf_100 said:
Yes, it's utterly wrong and contemptible.SeanT said:Karl Marx's grave is being targeted. Deep irony here.
https://twitter.com/thomasknox/status/1096800207772241922
But as wrong as it is, it's the logical conclusion of the Rhodes Must Fall nonsense and all the other revisionist nonsense peddled by the hard left. The tactics of the hard left being used against them. Excuse me while I play a sad tune on this, the world's smallest violin.
Doesn't justify this.0 -
Legal migration.Alistair said:
Support for immigration in America is at its highesy ever levels. Over 70% in favour.brokenwheel said:Trump doesn't want to win in the Supreme Court. He certainly doesn't want a wall built, at least not until a second term. It's political capital; by keeping it in the zeitgeist he wins by getting the Democrats to show their true colours; the "progressive" Democratic candidates are falling over themselves to say they want to tear down the existing barriers. Americans may be ambivalent to the wall but they aren't open borders nutters.
If he had really wanted it he would have got it funded while Republicans held both houses. Of course the trouble for him is keeping his supporters on side despite the fact he's blatantly stalling.0 -
Apparently he was some kind of demonic spirit that possessed the bodies of Lenin, Stalin and Mao and made them order the deaths of millions. That's some spooky story.TheJezziah said:TBH I think some people are slightly confused about who Karl Marx is...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nz20lu2AM2kbrokenwheel said:
Legal migration.Alistair said:
Support for immigration in America is at its highesy ever levels. Over 70% in favour.brokenwheel said:Trump doesn't want to win in the Supreme Court. He certainly doesn't want a wall built, at least not until a second term. It's political capital; by keeping it in the zeitgeist he wins by getting the Democrats to show their true colours; the "progressive" Democratic candidates are falling over themselves to say they want to tear down the existing barriers. Americans may be ambivalent to the wall but they aren't open borders nutters.
If he had really wanted it he would have got it funded while Republicans held both houses. Of course the trouble for him is keeping his supporters on side despite the fact he's blatantly stalling.0 -
No it's just delicious.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/Samfr/status/1096751638478577665
Pineapple on pizza?
Or was that a 2018 cultural war issue?0 -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MarxismTheuniondivvie said:
Apparently he was some kind of demonic spirit that possessed the bodies of Lenin, Stalin and Mao and made them order the deaths of millions. That's some spooky story.TheJezziah said:TBH I think some people are slightly confused about who Karl Marx is...
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At least it makes some kind of sense now, he is (maybe was) an evil ghost man.Theuniondivvie said:
Apparently he was some kind of demonic spirit that possessed the bodies of Lenin, Stalin and Mao and made them order the deaths of millions. That's some spooky story.TheJezziah said:TBH I think some people are slightly confused about who Karl Marx is...
I was worried it wasn't based on any kind of logic.0 -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MarxismTheJezziah said:
At least it makes some kind of sense now, he is (maybe was) an evil ghost man.Theuniondivvie said:
Apparently he was some kind of demonic spirit that possessed the bodies of Lenin, Stalin and Mao and made them order the deaths of millions. That's some spooky story.TheJezziah said:TBH I think some people are slightly confused about who Karl Marx is...
I was worried it wasn't based on any kind of logic.0 -
Christ, that quote makes Marx sound almost as bad as Churchill.SeanT said:
I know who he is, he is the guy who wrote THIS in 1848:TheJezziah said:TBH I think some people are slightly confused about who Karl Marx is...
“there is only one way in which the murderous death agonies of the old society and the bloody birth throes of the new society can be shortened, simplified and concentrated, and that way is revolutionary terror.”
So, yeah, he is a bit different to "Adam Smith", unless Smith wrote secret tracts advocating mass murder. Did he? I can also see why Marx's pompous, lofty grave might annoy quite a few people, quite a lot, though I really wish they hadn't indulged in this stupid, pointless vandalism, which serves no purpose.0 -
I seem to have triggered the Sunil bot into repetition....Sunil_Prasannan said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MarxismTheJezziah said:
At least it makes some kind of sense now, he is (maybe was) an evil ghost man.Theuniondivvie said:
Apparently he was some kind of demonic spirit that possessed the bodies of Lenin, Stalin and Mao and made them order the deaths of millions. That's some spooky story.TheJezziah said:TBH I think some people are slightly confused about who Karl Marx is...
I was worried it wasn't based on any kind of logic.
I believe he is trying to communicate but not quite getting there.0 -
Can't remember what I was watching but that was suggested on a food programme of some sort recently and 'horror was expressed'Philip_Thompson said:
No it's just delicious.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/Samfr/status/1096751638478577665
Pineapple on pizza?
Or was that a 2018 cultural war issue?
Justifiably, too, IMHO.0 -
Sort of. Witches and vampires. Sky made a series of book 1 which I rather liked so tried the books.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. L, not heard of that. Fantasy, I take it?
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Mr. L, not dead against that, but witches and vampires aren't my usual fare (nor modern settings).
Next book I'll probably get will be volumes 1-3 of the Black Gate Chronicles. Really enjoyed the sample, which was something daft like 40,000 words.0 -
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Have we done this? Seems kinda of important....
Brexit: Macron backs legally binding concessions to Irish backstop
Senior European diplomats said that the government would be given enough in the way of legal assurances to persuade Geoffrey Cox, the attorney-general, to change his legal advice. He has previously warned that the backstop could be used trap Britain in a customs union. “There will be sufficient changes to allow Mr Cox to give a pass to the agreement,” said a veteran European ambassador, who said France now supported possible new concessions.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/brexit-macron-backs-legally-binding-concessions-to-irish-backstop-3c0snmnqk
I might not be forced to drink boxed wine after all.0 -
Mr. Urquhart, was Macron threatening to compel you to drink boxed wine?
I feel like I missed a meeting.0 -
Post no-deal shortages and all that.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Urquhart, was Macron threatening to compel you to drink boxed wine?
I feel like I missed a meeting.
BTW, have you seen that crazy new wing design on the Alfa F1 car?0 -
But proportionately, looking at the South African population..........Sunil_Prasannan said:
Did Rhodes kill 66,000,000?Alistair said:
I find it hard to compare philosophical thinker Karl Marx with massive racist Cecil Rhodes.kyf_100 said:
Yes, it's utterly wrong and contemptible.SeanT said:Karl Marx's grave is being targeted. Deep irony here.
https://twitter.com/thomasknox/status/1096800207772241922
But as wrong as it is, it's the logical conclusion of the Rhodes Must Fall nonsense and all the other revisionist nonsense peddled by the hard left. The tactics of the hard left being used against them. Excuse me while I play a sad tune on this, the world's smallest violin.0 -
I posted it this morning, provoking considerable "meh".....FrancisUrquhart said:Have we done this? Seems kinda of important....
Brexit: Macron backs legally binding concessions to Irish backstop
Senior European diplomats said that the government would be given enough in the way of legal assurances to persuade Geoffrey Cox, the attorney-general, to change his legal advice. He has previously warned that the backstop could be used trap Britain in a customs union. “There will be sufficient changes to allow Mr Cox to give a pass to the agreement,” said a veteran European ambassador, who said France now supported possible new concessions.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/brexit-macron-backs-legally-binding-concessions-to-irish-backstop-3c0snmnqk
I might not be forced to drink boxed wine after all.
Doesn't fit the"we're all going TO DIE!!!" narrative, it seems.0 -
Book 2 is set in Elizabethan times. I appreciate that might still be a bit modern but the author is a serious historian of that period.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. L, not dead against that, but witches and vampires aren't my usual fare (nor modern settings).
Next book I'll probably get will be volumes 1-3 of the Black Gate Chronicles. Really enjoyed the sample, which was something daft like 40,000 words.0 -
Seems like the classic EU fudge to me. We aren't negotiating, we are "clarifying". Does that not do enough to calm the Tories backbenches?MarqueeMark said:
I posted it this morning, provoking considerable "meh".....FrancisUrquhart said:Have we done this? Seems kinda of important....
Brexit: Macron backs legally binding concessions to Irish backstop
Senior European diplomats said that the government would be given enough in the way of legal assurances to persuade Geoffrey Cox, the attorney-general, to change his legal advice. He has previously warned that the backstop could be used trap Britain in a customs union. “There will be sufficient changes to allow Mr Cox to give a pass to the agreement,” said a veteran European ambassador, who said France now supported possible new concessions.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/brexit-macron-backs-legally-binding-concessions-to-irish-backstop-3c0snmnqk
I might not be forced to drink boxed wine after all.
Doesn't fit the"we're all going TO DIE!!!" narrative, it seems.0 -
Is that street named after Oswald?Scott_P said:0 -
If not, they deserve to be beaten around the head with inflated puffer fish.FrancisUrquhart said:
Seems like the classic EU fudge to me. We aren't negotiating, we are "clarifying". Does that not do enough to calm the Tories backbenches?MarqueeMark said:
I posted it this morning, provoking considerable "meh".....FrancisUrquhart said:Have we done this? Seems kinda of important....
Brexit: Macron backs legally binding concessions to Irish backstop
Senior European diplomats said that the government would be given enough in the way of legal assurances to persuade Geoffrey Cox, the attorney-general, to change his legal advice. He has previously warned that the backstop could be used trap Britain in a customs union. “There will be sufficient changes to allow Mr Cox to give a pass to the agreement,” said a veteran European ambassador, who said France now supported possible new concessions.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/brexit-macron-backs-legally-binding-concessions-to-irish-backstop-3c0snmnqk
I might not be forced to drink boxed wine after all.
Doesn't fit the"we're all going TO DIE!!!" narrative, it seems.0 -
Mr. Urquhart, ah. Well, that's the advantage of having a small army of enormo-haddock to smuggle in goods.
And no, I haven't.
*goes to have a quick look*
Hmm. Is it drastically dissimilar to other front wings?
Mr. L, that reminds me an Ann Swinfen book, The Secret World of Christoval Alvarez, which I bought for... er... someone.
The Elizabethan setting seem quite popular for alternate history. Anne Lyle's Alchemist of Souls was set then, but Elizabeth had two sons, and there were some non-humans about in London.0 -
Jeremy Corbyn is also due in Brussels for talks with Mr Barnier on Thursday amid growing suspicion of the Labour leader in EU circles. While Donald Tusk, the president of the European Council, said that Mr Corbyn’s Brexit plan was “a promising way out of the impasse”, other officials were more scathing. “His policy is laughed at,” said a senior British source involved in talks.MarqueeMark said:
I posted it this morning, provoking considerable "meh".....FrancisUrquhart said:Have we done this? Seems kinda of important....
Brexit: Macron backs legally binding concessions to Irish backstop
Senior European diplomats said that the government would be given enough in the way of legal assurances to persuade Geoffrey Cox, the attorney-general, to change his legal advice. He has previously warned that the backstop could be used trap Britain in a customs union. “There will be sufficient changes to allow Mr Cox to give a pass to the agreement,” said a veteran European ambassador, who said France now supported possible new concessions.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/brexit-macron-backs-legally-binding-concessions-to-irish-backstop-3c0snmnqk
I might not be forced to drink boxed wine after all.
Doesn't fit the"we're all going TO DIE!!!" narrative, it seems.0 -
Strangely ole Winny seems to have thought Marx's Jewishness was more relevant to his contribution to the horror that was Bolshevism than the wacky revolutionary terror stuff.SandyRentool said:
Christ, that quote makes Marx sound almost as bad as Churchill.SeanT said:
I know who he is, he is the guy who wrote THIS in 1848:TheJezziah said:TBH I think some people are slightly confused about who Karl Marx is...
“there is only one way in which the murderous death agonies of the old society and the bloody birth throes of the new society can be shortened, simplified and concentrated, and that way is revolutionary terror.”
So, yeah, he is a bit different to "Adam Smith", unless Smith wrote secret tracts advocating mass murder. Did he? I can also see why Marx's pompous, lofty grave might annoy quite a few people, quite a lot, though I really wish they hadn't indulged in this stupid, pointless vandalism, which serves no purpose.
'International Jews
In violent opposition to all this sphere of Jewish effort rise the schemes of the International Jews. The adherents of this sinister confederacy are mostly men reared up among the unhappy populations of countries where Jews are persecuted on account of their race. Most, if not all, of them have forsaken the faith of their forefathers, and divorced from their minds all spiritual hopes of the next world. This movement among the Jews is not new. From the days of Spartacus-Weishaupt to those of Karl Marx, and down to Trotsky (Russia), Bela Kun (Hungary), Rosa Luxembourg (Germany), and Emma Goldman (United States), this world-wide conspiracy for the overthrow of civilization and for the reconstitution of society on the basis of arrested development, of envious malevolence, and impossible equality, has been steadily growing. It played, as a modern writer, Mrs. Webster, has so ably shown, a definitely recognizable part in the tragedy of the French Revolution. It has been the mainspring of every subversive movement during the Nineteenth Century; and now at last this band of extraordinary personalities from the underworld of the great cities of Europe and America have gripped the Russian people by the hair of their heads and have become practically the undisputed masters of that enormous empire.'
If one didn't know better, one might think that could have come from the pen of another ambitious thrusting young politician of 1920.
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https://twitter.com/DannyDutch/status/1096333538557874177MarqueeMark said:If not, they deserve to be beaten around the head with inflated puffer fish.
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A distant relative.SandyRentool said:
Is that street named after Oswald?Scott_P said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Mosley_(mayor)0 -
I didn't know he had one.DavidL said:
His statue on the Royal mile frequently has the adornment of a traffic cone.geoffw said:
It's in the Canongate cemetary on the Royal Mile.TheJezziah said:
Whilst I don't keep up with everyone's opinions have there been extensive calls on the left against Adam Smith having a grave?kyf_100 said:
Yes, it's utterly wrong and contemptible.SeanT said:Karl Marx's grave is being targeted. Deep irony here.
https://twitter.com/thomasknox/status/1096800207772241922
But as wrong as it is, it's the logical conclusion of the Rhodes Must Fall nonsense and all the other revisionist nonsense peddled by the hard left. The tactics of the hard left being used against them. Excuse me while I play a sad tune on this, the world's smallest violin.
My colleague was looking for it in the 1970s and failing to find it asked the graveyard attendant - "Ah, the trombone player"
Do you mean David Hume's?
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The best outcome for Trump-2020 could be a 4-5 decision that denies funding given Bader Ginsburg has said she'll retire when she is 90.0
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No, although he is similarly (if rather more easily) honoured. Hume is sitting outside the High Court. Smith is standing near the Mercat Cross.geoffw said:
I didn't know he had one.DavidL said:
His statue on the Royal mile frequently has the adornment of a traffic cone.geoffw said:
It's in the Canongate cemetary on the Royal Mile.TheJezziah said:
Whilst I don't keep up with everyone's opinions have there been extensive calls on the left against Adam Smith having a grave?kyf_100 said:
Yes, it's utterly wrong and contemptible.SeanT said:Karl Marx's grave is being targeted. Deep irony here.
https://twitter.com/thomasknox/status/1096800207772241922
But as wrong as it is, it's the logical conclusion of the Rhodes Must Fall nonsense and all the other revisionist nonsense peddled by the hard left. The tactics of the hard left being used against them. Excuse me while I play a sad tune on this, the world's smallest violin.
My colleague was looking for it in the 1970s and failing to find it asked the graveyard attendant - "Ah, the trombone player"
Do you mean David Hume's?
http://www.royal-mile.com/interest/statue-adamsmith.html0 -
What is the irony?SeanT said:Karl Marx's grave is being targeted. Deep irony here.
https://twitter.com/thomasknox/status/10968002077722419220 -
Have you read it in context or just done some quick googling and found a quick snippet to justify your thoughts?SeanT said:
I know who he is, he is the guy who wrote THIS in 1848:TheJezziah said:TBH I think some people are slightly confused about who Karl Marx is...
“there is only one way in which the murderous death agonies of the old society and the bloody birth throes of the new society can be shortened, simplified and concentrated, and that way is revolutionary terror.”
So, yeah, he is a bit different to "Adam Smith", unless Smith wrote secret tracts advocating mass murder. Did he? I can also see why Marx's pompous, lofty grave might annoy quite a few people, quite a lot, though I really wish they hadn't indulged in this stupid, pointless vandalism, which serves no purpose.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1848/11/06.htm
It justifies the actions of the likes of Stalin about as much as Smith justifies the slave trade.0 -
Autosport's Technical Editor Jake Boxall-Legge joins Glenn Freeman to analyse what the pictures reveal about Alfa's challenger, which features what he describes as "the strangest 2019 front wing we've seen so far".Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Urquhart, ah. Well, that's the advantage of having a small army of enormo-haddock to smuggle in goods.
And no, I haven't.
*goes to have a quick look*
Hmm. Is it drastically dissimilar to other front wings?
Mr. L, that reminds me an Ann Swinfen book, The Secret World of Christoval Alvarez, which I bought for... er... someone.
The Elizabethan setting seem quite popular for alternate history. Anne Lyle's Alchemist of Souls was set then, but Elizabeth had two sons, and there were some non-humans about in London.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/formula-one-alfa-romeo-wing-explained-video/4337903/0 -
First piece of the jigsaw as the wise author of this piece predicted - challenge in the courts
https://www.theepochtimes.com/aclu-files-lawsuit-against-president-trump-for-illegal-national-emergency_2802997.html?fbclid=IwAR3DHAn4JHJAzVrYh9AraOxSwF_6uA7q2r7PgmA5hLOVbY96SSMMBVMy66I0 -
Close enough. Time to start a Twatter campaign to have it renamed to Engelsstrasse.brokenwheel said:
A distant relative.SandyRentool said:
Is that street named after Oswald?Scott_P said:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Mosley_(mayor)0 -
I wouldn't bet on Gorsush supporting a Presidential power grab either.
My guess, for what it's worth, is that the four liberals would vote against the legality of the Executive Order, while there would be a separately written opposition from Roberts and Gorusch.
But.
And, I think this is really important, Trump wants to be stopped on this. This is like abortion, only reversed. Nothing would be better for Trump's electoral chances than the forces of the establishment conspiring to use the courts to thwart the peoples' will.
(Conversely, conservatives should fear the effective repeal of Roe vs Wade. Nothing would increase liberal turnout more than a requirement to go to the ballot boxes for abortion rights.)0 -
Jeez. Shame on me (as an economist).DavidL said:
No, although he is similarly (if rather more easily) honoured. Hume is sitting outside the High Court. Smith is standing near the Mercat Cross.geoffw said:
I didn't know he had one.DavidL said:
His statue on the Royal mile frequently has the adornment of a traffic cone.geoffw said:
It's in the Canongate cemetary on the Royal Mile.TheJezziah said:
Whilst I don't keep up with everyone's opinions have there been extensive calls on the left against Adam Smith having a grave?kyf_100 said:
Yes, it's utterly wrong and contemptible.SeanT said:Karl Marx's grave is being targeted. Deep irony here.
https://twitter.com/thomasknox/status/1096800207772241922
But as wrong as it is, it's the logical conclusion of the Rhodes Must Fall nonsense and all the other revisionist nonsense peddled by the hard left. The tactics of the hard left being used against them. Excuse me while I play a sad tune on this, the world's smallest violin.
My colleague was looking for it in the 1970s and failing to find it asked the graveyard attendant - "Ah, the trombone player"
Do you mean David Hume's?
http://www.royal-mile.com/interest/statue-adamsmith.html
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