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In which case I shall mention that Győr is a charming city should anyone find themselves in the area.Sunil_Prasannan said:
I mentioned that on PB months agoAlastairMeeks said:Raab is the German name for the Hungarian city of Győr. That’s the most interesting thing I can think of about that.
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I thought the link attached - with a 12 point remain lead did that?!SeanT said:
There is absolutely no evidence of this in the polls. Sorry.rottenborough said:
This catastrophe is quietly building a majority for Remain.YellowSubmarine said:
No one comments on how this catastrophe is quietly building a majority for Remain.Scott_P said:
Unless you can provide a link? The nation is evenly split, as ever.
Indeed my understanding of human nature thinks a swing to Leave is as likely as the opposite, as the bloody minded Brits think Fuck You to the EU - and the sneering posho Remainers.0 -
Possibly, if there's a soft Brexit that leaves us tied to most of the EU's structures.david_herdson said:
Yes. We'll probably rejoin in a few years. But we need to leave first.YellowSubmarine said:
No one comments on how this catastrophe is quietly building a majority for Remain.Scott_P said:
If, however, it's a clean break then that's it. The EU has never been popular with most of us. The relationship with it was always transactional, not emotionally committed.
Rejoining would have all the appeal of republicanism: notionally appealing to a quarter or even a third of the electorate at any one time, but in practice a niche obsession for a few and a total irrelevance for everybody else.
Getting out has been so divisive and such a monumental pain in the arse that generations may pass before a significant proportion of public opinion grows genuinely enthusiastic about going back in. If that ever happens at all, and assuming that the EU itself lasts that long.0 -
Crickey I am really popular this year, look at all those Christmas Cards...Big_G_NorthWales said:
Tom Newton Dunn saying Graham Brady has gone home and has not got 48 letterssolarflare said:Does Brady accept email?
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That Cabinet Minister is lying. When they have for weeks had people leak about their plan B's for Brexit, about their own leadership campaigns, and one is on the front page 'rebuking' the PM, some of them are going to vote against her. They know that, we know that, but they still feel the need to pretend loyalty.rottenborough said:0 -
Used to have the most plentiful dealers, though.SeanT said:
My wife went to SOAS. She's on the Left, but even she found it unbearable. It has been a hyena's nest of vile and lunatic politics for decades. They should close it down, demolish it, and sow the vacant ground with salt.FrancisUrquhart said:Comedians invited to perform at a benefit gig at Soas University of London have been sent a “behavioural agreement” that forbids them from tackling any topic in a way that is not “respectful and kind”.
https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2018/dec/11/comedians-asked-to-sign-behavioural-agreement-for-soas-gig
SAD....also, Islamophobia gets a name check, as does anti-religion or anti-atheism, but not antisemitism.
And WTF is "ableism" ?
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Big_G_NorthWales said:
Tom Newton Dunn now on Sky - letters not in
47.99999999999999999999999999999999999
As I have reminded over excitable PBers several times.0 -
That is more than made up for by the "Can't be doing with that" "Can't be arsed to Brexit vote"SeanT said:
There is absolutely no evidence of this in the polls. Sorry.rottenborough said:
This catastrophe is quietly building a majority for Remain.YellowSubmarine said:
No one comments on how this catastrophe is quietly building a majority for Remain.Scott_P said:
Unless you can provide a link? The nation is evenly split, as ever.
Indeed my understanding of human nature thinks a swing to Leave is as likely as the opposite, as the bloody minded Brits think Fuck You to the EU - and the sneering posho Remainers.
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It would be ironic if May were ousted now, and the Commons ultimately came round to approving her deal as the least unacceptable way of avoiding No Deal.0
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Is 12% the largest Remain lead registered so far ?0
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Another hilarious outcome. One reason she should not quit the Commons, just in case, so she can see it firsthand (though I severely doubt it will happen that way).Chris said:It would be ironic if May were ousted now, and the Commons ultimately came round to approving her deal as the least unacceptable way of avoiding No Deal.
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Other recent polls have shown 50/50.tottenhamWC said:
I thought the link attached - with a 12 point remain lead did that?!SeanT said:
There is absolutely no evidence of this in the polls. Sorry.rottenborough said:
This catastrophe is quietly building a majority for Remain.YellowSubmarine said:
No one comments on how this catastrophe is quietly building a majority for Remain.Scott_P said:
Unless you can provide a link? The nation is evenly split, as ever.
Indeed my understanding of human nature thinks a swing to Leave is as likely as the opposite, as the bloody minded Brits think Fuck You to the EU - and the sneering posho Remainers.0 -
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LOL.tottenhamWC said:
I thought the link attached - with a 12 point remain lead did that?!SeanT said:
There is absolutely no evidence of this in the polls. Sorry.rottenborough said:
This catastrophe is quietly building a majority for Remain.YellowSubmarine said:
No one comments on how this catastrophe is quietly building a majority for Remain.Scott_P said:
Unless you can provide a link? The nation is evenly split, as ever.
Indeed my understanding of human nature thinks a swing to Leave is as likely as the opposite, as the bloody minded Brits think Fuck You to the EU - and the sneering posho Remainers.0 -
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That has been known for weeksScott_P said:0 -
Leicester City! supported them in League One and when Wes Morgan lifted the PL trophy.Anazina said:
Yep. I care. Smaller clubs will die out if people just support the Big Five, regardless of where they come from.kle4 said:
Well, I guess we know one Cabinet Minister who is not voting for May in the confidence vote. Jumping the gun a little there, mate.rottenborough said:Looks like we on for a battle for the leadership now:
https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/1072620579352653825
My town's football ground was demolished when I was a boy and there was no team for years to support in any case. Should I have supported clubs in the professional leagues who were 40+ miles away? That's not hometown.Anazina said:kle4 said:
Looks resigned - she failed to get support from Europe, so it's the end is how I read it.Scott_P said:https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/1072618105241825280
Interesting editorial stance. Again.
Ikle4 said:
Looks resigned - she failed to get support from Europe, so it's the end is how I read it.Scott_P said:https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/1072618105241825280
Interesting editorial stance. Again.
Sadly, you are in a minority. It would seem that most PBers are glory grabbers, choosing big clubs over their hometown club.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I have supported Man Utd since 1954 but then I was born within 5 miles of the groundAnazina said:
Glory grabbing is strong on PB.kle4 said:
*puts hand up* One here as well.Anazina said:
Another PB Liverpool fan who does not come from MerseysideTheScreamingEagles said:I’m going to regret this tweet in the morning.
https://twitter.com/tseofpb/status/1072613241744957440?s=21
DavidL supports Man Utd.
He’s Scottish.
Also, who cares?
But glory grabbing is the norm nowadays.
The glory!0 -
I suspect the EU27 might also want No Deal _not_ to be an option.Scott_P said:0 -
Eh? A) Not the least bit surprising and b) we can revoke ourselves anyway.Scott_P said:
Maybe it is late and I am getting lost.0 -
That is like a lot of SUs at top rank unis these days...where as the shit ones are going bust.SeanT said:
Nah, not in my day. UCL (my uni Union) was the place to score anything you wanted. Students would come down from Oxford just for the parties.dixiedean said:
Used to have the most plentiful dealers, though.SeanT said:
My wife went to SOAS. She's on the Left, but even she found it unbearable. It has been a hyena's nest of vile and lunatic politics for decades. They should close it down, demolish it, and sow the vacant ground with salt.FrancisUrquhart said:Comedians invited to perform at a benefit gig at Soas University of London have been sent a “behavioural agreement” that forbids them from tackling any topic in a way that is not “respectful and kind”.
https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2018/dec/11/comedians-asked-to-sign-behavioural-agreement-for-soas-gig
SAD....also, Islamophobia gets a name check, as does anti-religion or anti-atheism, but not antisemitism.
And WTF is "ableism" ?
The decadence of it is quite extraordinary, looking back. The bar was open from 10am to 11pm and always full, and noisy, and drunk, and throughout the day all kinds of drugs were openly sold, from dope to acid to speed and coke (and smack if you asked quietly)
I went back to UCL a couple of years ago. The union is now posh, gleaming, quiet and full of earnest Asian students drinking coffee.
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Have the ERG blown their wad? Again!0
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Argentina 2.0AlastairMeeks said:
I’ve pointed out ever since the referendum result that Britain has entered a long term serious decline. It was one of those inflexion point moments. It has a long way to run yet.Cyclefree said:
The way we're going that will be in about 6 weeks time.AlastairMeeks said:Theresa May has had her chips. I expect the time is coming soon enough when we will look back fondly on the halcyon days of her premiership.
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I thought it was supposedly cabinet ministers leaking to the media?Scott_P said:Have the ERG blown their wad? Again!
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Well? You have declared it unacceptable to not support the home team, so how far away is allowed under your rules if there is no such team?kle4 said:
Then i repeat my question - there was no club in my hometown, not in any type of league, who in your estimation should I be expected to reasonably support? How far away is acceptable?Anazina said:
Yep. I care. Smaller clubs will die out if people just support the Big Five, regardless of where they come from.kle4 said:
Well, I guess we know one Cabinet Minister who is not voting for May in the confidence vote. Jumping the gun a little there, mate.rottenborough said:Looks like we on for a battle for the leadership now:
https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/1072620579352653825
My town's football ground was demolished when I was a boy and there was no team for years to support in any case. Should I have supported clubs in the professional leagues who were 40+ miles away? That's not hometown.Anazina said:kle4 said:
Looks resigned - she failed to get support from Europe, so it's the end is how I read it.Scott_P said:https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/1072618105241825280
Interesting editorial stance. Again.
Ikle4 said:
Looks resigned - she failed to get support from Europe, so it's the end is how I read it.Scott_P said:https://twitter.com/AllieHBNews/status/1072618105241825280
Interesting editorial stance. Again.
Sadly, you are in a minority. It would seem that most PBers are glory grabbers, choosing big clubs over their hometown club.Big_G_NorthWales said:
I have supported Man Utd since 1954 but then I was born within 5 miles of the groundAnazina said:
Glory grabbing is strong on PB.kle4 said:
*puts hand up* One here as well.Anazina said:
Another PB Liverpool fan who does not come from MerseysideTheScreamingEagles said:I’m going to regret this tweet in the morning.
https://twitter.com/tseofpb/status/1072613241744957440?s=21
DavidL supports Man Utd.
He’s Scottish.
Also, who cares?
But glory grabbing is the norm nowadays.
If you are going to get on a moral high horse about this, surely you need to provide further instruction, else what is morally acceptable?0 -
I went to College Green today and it only strengthened my support for the deal. The remainaics there were a ragbag of off-grid eccentrics, but the leavers, oh my god the leavers, they were something else, overtly racist almost to a (wo)man, half of them in Trump regalia, some of them in ridiculous little high viz yellow vests would you believe, all of them quite astonishingly thick and screaming unpleasant primitive sentiments at the top of their leery uneducated voices. These vulgar low rent sub-optimals cannot be allowed to feel that they have won. Therefore the WTO 'clean' Brexit simply must not happen. The ensuing feel good glow and sense of validation of such a grisly bunch does not bear thinking about. Likewise a No Brexit would (to quote BJ) put a tiger in their tank in a different way. The grievance would fuel them up to make a right old nuisance of themselves for ages. Therefore it must be the deal. The deal would mean they feel a bit cheesed off, sure they would, but they would soon lose interest and return to scratching their armpits once we are out and negotiating the FTA. I’m starting to feel pretty damn passionate about this now. I like the Irish backstop. Fact, I love it. I love everything about the deal. It IS as it turns out perfect. Viva la WDA! So come on you parliament. Come on you tories. Ditch the Maybot, if necessary, and then get this thing or something close to it ratified pronto!0
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I would've thought one thing that absolutely all of us could agree on is that opinion polls have been revealed to be of somewhat limited predictive value.AndyJS said:
Other recent polls have shown 50/50.tottenhamWC said:
I thought the link attached - with a 12 point remain lead did that?!SeanT said:
There is absolutely no evidence of this in the polls. Sorry.rottenborough said:
This catastrophe is quietly building a majority for Remain.YellowSubmarine said:
No one comments on how this catastrophe is quietly building a majority for Remain.Scott_P said:
Unless you can provide a link? The nation is evenly split, as ever.
Indeed my understanding of human nature thinks a swing to Leave is as likely as the opposite, as the bloody minded Brits think Fuck You to the EU - and the sneering posho Remainers.0 -
Not sure about that. This from YouGov at the weekend implies a similar differential.AndyJS said:
Other recent polls have shown 50/50.tottenhamWC said:
I thought the link attached - with a 12 point remain lead did that?!SeanT said:
There is absolutely no evidence of this in the polls. Sorry.rottenborough said:
This catastrophe is quietly building a majority for Remain.YellowSubmarine said:
No one comments on how this catastrophe is quietly building a majority for Remain.Scott_P said:
Unless you can provide a link? The nation is evenly split, as ever.
Indeed my understanding of human nature thinks a swing to Leave is as likely as the opposite, as the bloody minded Brits think Fuck You to the EU - and the sneering posho Remainers.
https://amp-reddit-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/amp.reddit.com/r/ukpolitics/comments/a4wurf/uk_yougov_poll_remain_54_8_leave_without_deal_28/?amp_js_v=0.1&usqp=mq331AQJCAEoAVgBgAEB0 -
Raab? Really?
The sad truth is that Theresa has been a hard worker. Very diligent. Very focused. Working long hours. And, as a result has not spent enough time in the pub throughout her career making friends that will rally round when she needs them. And it's in the pub where a lot of politics gets done. She's beaten herself.
Whereas Raab is lazy, not a master of detail and not at all focused: He's been a housing minister thats hated housing, for example. But one area where he does have similarities with Theresa is that he has also not spent any time in the bar either. So he's even worse at politics.
He's even more of a loner than Theresa. Aloof. Out of Touch. No friends in Parliament who'd cross the road to help him.
And, if the Brexiteers think he's their Great White Hope who can get them to skip a generation then it proves they're even more deluded than ever. A true case of out of the frying pan and into the fire for GB plc.
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I cannot fathom how 48 could not have been reached. Is the most likely explanation simply that a bunch have come in this evening and Brady will count them up in the morning? And he's prepared to meet the PM since based on what he's been told he is very confident the morning will show 48 are there?AndyJS said:
I wonder whether Brady would call the MPs who've written letters to check they're still current, because some of them were sent in a long time ago. One MP sent one in more than a year ago IIRC.Scott_P said:Have the ERG blown their wad? Again!
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Fox
I have never grasped this opprobrium among East Midlands clubs for each other. Everyone in the region (including half of Nottingham) hates Forest, probably because they won two European cups several decades ago.
But at least people from our neck of the woods support their local club.
There are people on here from Sheffield (two clubs to choose from) who support ... Liverpool.
Glory grabbers.0 -
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Since early September I think all the polls have shown a clear Remain lead. Mostly Leave voters switching to Don't Know rather than Remain however.AndyJS said:
Other recent polls have shown 50/50.tottenhamWC said:
I thought the link attached - with a 12 point remain lead did that?!SeanT said:
There is absolutely no evidence of this in the polls. Sorry.rottenborough said:
This catastrophe is quietly building a majority for Remain.YellowSubmarine said:
No one comments on how this catastrophe is quietly building a majority for Remain.Scott_P said:
Unless you can provide a link? The nation is evenly split, as ever.
Indeed my understanding of human nature thinks a swing to Leave is as likely as the opposite, as the bloody minded Brits think Fuck You to the EU - and the sneering posho Remainers.0 -
In NC9 news - election officials were in on it
https://twitter.com/ElectProject/status/1072612500057796610?s=19
And there is going to be a whole ne vote starting with a GOP primary
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There was a small-sample ORB poll a month before the referendum with R+13. This is Remain's biggest lead in post-referendum polling, I think.WhisperingOracle said:Is 12% the largest Remain lead registered so far ?
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I think the fact that it's hard to imagine is a measure of how irrationally MPs are acting.kle4 said:
Another hilarious outcome. One reason she should not quit the Commons, just in case, so she can see it firsthand (though I severely doubt it will happen that way).Chris said:It would be ironic if May were ousted now, and the Commons ultimately came round to approving her deal as the least unacceptable way of avoiding No Deal.
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After all the shit that has gone down, her deal would have to be sponsored by a Leaver. Rebadged, the same deal essentially, but a new PM getting Leavers onside. May has patently failed with that.Chris said:It would be ironic if May were ousted now, and the Commons ultimately came round to approving her deal as the least unacceptable way of avoiding No Deal.
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Big_G_NorthWales said:
That has been known for weeksScott_P said:
Indeed. Harris would do well to cease tweeting while pissed.Big_G_NorthWales said:
That has been known for weeksScott_P said:0 -
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2017/06/13/dont-laugh-at-us-argentina/OblitusSumMe said:
Argentina 2.0AlastairMeeks said:
I’ve pointed out ever since the referendum result that Britain has entered a long term serious decline. It was one of those inflexion point moments. It has a long way to run yet.Cyclefree said:
The way we're going that will be in about 6 weeks time.AlastairMeeks said:Theresa May has had her chips. I expect the time is coming soon enough when we will look back fondly on the halcyon days of her premiership.
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I hardly went to Imperial College Union as an undergrad - I just spent my spare Wednesday afternoons travelling around the Tube and rail network in London - only Zones 1 to 4, mind! Only ventured out to Zone 6 during my PhDSeanT said:
Nah, not in my day. UCL (my uni Union) was the place to score anything you wanted. Students would come down from Oxford just for the parties.dixiedean said:
Used to have the most plentiful dealers, though.SeanT said:
My wife went to SOAS. She's on the Left, but even she found it unbearable. It has been a hyena's nest of vile and lunatic politics for decades. They should close it down, demolish it, and sow the vacant ground with salt.FrancisUrquhart said:Comedians invited to perform at a benefit gig at Soas University of London have been sent a “behavioural agreement” that forbids them from tackling any topic in a way that is not “respectful and kind”.
https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2018/dec/11/comedians-asked-to-sign-behavioural-agreement-for-soas-gig
SAD....also, Islamophobia gets a name check, as does anti-religion or anti-atheism, but not antisemitism.
And WTF is "ableism" ?
The decadence of it is quite extraordinary, looking back. The bar was open from 10am to 11pm and always full, and noisy, and drunk, and throughout the day all kinds of drugs were openly sold, from dope to acid to speed and coke (and smack if you asked quietly)
I went back to UCL a couple of years ago. The union is now posh, gleaming, quiet and full of earnest Asian students drinking coffee.
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And it is also why all the union stuff is even more dominated by the the mouthy hard left nutter element.SeanT said:
Yes. And of course we know why. Student loans, and foreign students. In my day we were actually PAID by the government to go to university. It seems insane now. And we got extra money (or I did) if we were deemed poor. And then we got to live in London W1, for almost no money.FrancisUrquhart said:
That is like a lot of SUs at top rank unis these days...where as the shit ones are going bust.SeanT said:
Nah, not in my day. UCL (my uni Union) was the place to score anything you wanted. Students would come down from Oxford just for the parties.dixiedean said:
Used to have the most plentiful dealers, though.SeanT said:
My wife went to SOAS. She's on the Left, but even she found it unbearable. It has been a hyena's nest of vile and lunatic politics for decades. They should close it down, demolish it, and sow the vacant ground with salt.FrancisUrquhart said:Comedians invited to perform at a benefit gig at Soas University of London have been sent a “behavioural agreement” that forbids them from tackling any topic in a way that is not “respectful and kind”.
https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2018/dec/11/comedians-asked-to-sign-behavioural-agreement-for-soas-gig
SAD....also, Islamophobia gets a name check, as does anti-religion or anti-atheism, but not antisemitism.
And WTF is "ableism" ?
The decadence of it is quite extraordinary, looking back. The bar was open from 10am to 11pm and always full, and noisy, and drunk, and throughout the day all kinds of drugs were openly sold, from dope to acid to speed and coke (and smack if you asked quietly)
I went back to UCL a couple of years ago. The union is now posh, gleaming, quiet and full of earnest Asian students drinking coffee.
Sad.
The privileges we enioyed were bonkers, seen from the perspective of today. If you're payiong tens of grand for a good education, you drink less, and study more, and imbibe coffee.
In my experience, the vast majority of students just head down, plough through, want to know what they need to do to get the 2:1 and when is the closing dates for grad schemes. They don't want to get involved in making sure a comedian doesn't have ableism in their act.0 -
The trend definitely seems to be remain's friend (for now at least). Suspect it will continue in that direction from now until the end of March if the EU keep their mouth shut and don't antagonise UK public opinion....FF43 said:
Since early September I think all the polls have shown a clear Remain lead. Mostly Leave voters switching to Don't Know rather than Remain however.AndyJS said:
Other recent polls have shown 50/50.tottenhamWC said:
I thought the link attached - with a 12 point remain lead did that?!SeanT said:
There is absolutely no evidence of this in the polls. Sorry.rottenborough said:
This catastrophe is quietly building a majority for Remain.YellowSubmarine said:
No one comments on how this catastrophe is quietly building a majority for Remain.Scott_P said:
Unless you can provide a link? The nation is evenly split, as ever.
Indeed my understanding of human nature thinks a swing to Leave is as likely as the opposite, as the bloody minded Brits think Fuck You to the EU - and the sneering posho Remainers.
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Other than the opening hours that sounds like SOAS in my day. Went to UCL bar ONCE.SeanT said:
Nah, not in my day. UCL (my uni Union) was the place to score anything you wanted. Students would come down from Oxford just for the parties.dixiedean said:
Used to have the most plentiful dealers, though.SeanT said:
My wife went to SOAS. She's on the Left, but even she found it unbearable. It has been a hyena's nest of vile and lunatic politics for decades. They should close it down, demolish it, and sow the vacant ground with salt.FrancisUrquhart said:Comedians invited to perform at a benefit gig at Soas University of London have been sent a “behavioural agreement” that forbids them from tackling any topic in a way that is not “respectful and kind”.
https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2018/dec/11/comedians-asked-to-sign-behavioural-agreement-for-soas-gig
SAD....also, Islamophobia gets a name check, as does anti-religion or anti-atheism, but not antisemitism.
And WTF is "ableism" ?
The decadence of it is quite extraordinary, looking back. The bar was open from 10am to 11pm and always full, and noisy, and drunk, and throughout the day all kinds of drugs were openly sold, from dope to acid to speed and coke (and smack if you asked quietly)
I went back to UCL a couple of years ago. The union is now posh, gleaming, quiet and full of earnest Asian students drinking coffee.
Sad.
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UCL gave the world Coldplay. Musical herpes.0
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Thanks. I was thinking of the post-referendum ones, but it's interesting the extent to which it nearly matches that pre-referendum range , too.Drutt said:
There was a small-sample ORB poll a month before the referendum with R+13. This is Remain's biggest lead in post-referendum polling, I think.WhisperingOracle said:Is 12% the largest Remain lead registered so far ?
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For that it should be automatically knocked down 100 positions in the world rankings.Jonathan said:UCL gave the world Coldplay. Musical herpes.
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That's fair.Scott_P said:0 -
Derby and Forest rivalry was already brutal before Clough went from Derby to Forest and gave us those two stars on the shirt.Anazina said:Fox
I have never grasped this opprobrium among East Midlands clubs for each other. Everyone in the region (including half of Nottingham) hates Forest, probably because they won two European cups several decades ago.
But at least people from our neck of the woods support their local club.
There are people on here from Sheffield (two clubs to choose from) who support ... Liverpool.
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The BMG figures are 52% Remain 40% Leave. So after repercentaging and rounding up for impact it's 57% Remain, 43% Leave.0
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Very well placed sources were telling us the vote was going ahead tonight. Until, moments later, it wasn't.Scott_P said:0 -
You would have to be mad to want to be PM now. Anyone who wants the job should not be allowed near it.0
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This is from about 6 weeks ago:FF43 said:
Since early September I think all the polls have shown a clear Remain lead. Mostly Leave voters switching to Don't Know rather than Remain however.AndyJS said:
Other recent polls have shown 50/50.tottenhamWC said:
I thought the link attached - with a 12 point remain lead did that?!SeanT said:
There is absolutely no evidence of this in the polls. Sorry.rottenborough said:
This catastrophe is quietly building a majority for Remain.YellowSubmarine said:
No one comments on how this catastrophe is quietly building a majority for Remain.Scott_P said:
Unless you can provide a link? The nation is evenly split, as ever.
Indeed my understanding of human nature thinks a swing to Leave is as likely as the opposite, as the bloody minded Brits think Fuck You to the EU - and the sneering posho Remainers.
"Europe Elects
@EuropeElects
Oct 29
UK, Deltapoll poll:
EU membership ref.
Remain: 50% (nc)
Leave: 50% (nc)
Field work: 24/10/18 – 26/10/18
Sample size: 1,017"0 -
What’s the timeline for a VONC?MarqueeMark said:
Very well placed sources were telling us the vote was going ahead tonight. Until, moments later, it wasn't.Scott_P said:0 -
Technically the Brady comment does not mean the letters are not in. He may have seen her already.MarqueeMark said:
Very well placed sources were telling us the vote was going ahead tonight. Until, moments later, it wasn't.Scott_P said:0 -
Forest-Derby is different ;-)MarqueeMark said:
Derby and Forest rivalry was already brutal before Clough went from Derby to Forest and gave us those two stars on the shirt.Anazina said:Fox
I have never grasped this opprobrium among East Midlands clubs for each other. Everyone in the region (including half of Nottingham) hates Forest, probably because they won two European cups several decades ago.
But at least people from our neck of the woods support their local club.
There are people on here from Sheffield (two clubs to choose from) who support ... Liverpool.
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I think the key words are "six weeks ago"......AndyJS said:
This is from about 6 weeks ago:FF43 said:
Since early September I think all the polls have shown a clear Remain lead. Mostly Leave voters switching to Don't Know rather than Remain however.AndyJS said:
Other recent polls have shown 50/50.tottenhamWC said:
I thought the link attached - with a 12 point remain lead did that?!SeanT said:
There is absolutely no evidence of this in the polls. Sorry.rottenborough said:
This catastrophe is quietly building a majority for Remain.YellowSubmarine said:
No one comments on how this catastrophe is quietly building a majority for Remain.Scott_P said:
Unless you can provide a link? The nation is evenly split, as ever.
Indeed my understanding of human nature thinks a swing to Leave is as likely as the opposite, as the bloody minded Brits think Fuck You to the EU - and the sneering posho Remainers.
"Europe Elects
@EuropeElects
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UK, Deltapoll poll:
EU membership ref.
Remain: 50% (nc)
Leave: 50% (nc)
Field work: 24/10/18 – 26/10/18
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I can’t believe you fell for it again.SeanT said:
What is this bizarre animus people have developed against Coldplay? It reminds me of past hatreds of the Bee Gees, Abba, Phil Collins, Pink Floyd, and so on.FrancisUrquhart said:
For that it should be automatically knocked down 100 positions in the world rankings.Jonathan said:UCL gave the world Coldplay. Musical herpes.
Some music is so popular I think some insecure, beta, middle class but low-self esteem people have to express a contempt for it, to virtue signal their good taste (compared to the plebs that like this pap). Of course it is bollocks. 20 years later everyone admits it is bollocks.
The Beegees, Abba, Phil Collins, Pink Floyd have all made great pop music, music whose only sin was its popularity, because it is really good pop music. Coldplay are the same. Viva La Vida is a superb popsong, and I challenge anyone to listen to it and not feel a certain exhilaration.
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Scott_P said:
Earl Brady of Shreding Green it is then.0 -
Coldplay have made precisely one great song (Fix You), a handful of ok aongs and a large pile of dirge.SeanT said:
What is this bizarre animus people have developed against Coldplay? It reminds me of past hatreds of the Bee Gees, Abba, Phil Collins, Pink Floyd, and so on.FrancisUrquhart said:
For that it should be automatically knocked down 100 positions in the world rankings.Jonathan said:UCL gave the world Coldplay. Musical herpes.
Some music is so popular I think some insecure, beta, middle class but low-self esteem people have to express a contempt for it, to virtue signal their good taste (compared to the plebs that like this pap). Of course it is bollocks. 20 years later everyone admits it is bollocks.
The Beegees, Abba, Phil Collins, Pink Floyd have all made great pop music, music whose only sin was its popularity, because it is really good pop music. Coldplay are the same. Viva La Vida is a superb popsong, and I challenge anyone to listen to it and not feel a certain exhilaration.
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I'm a bit rusty on this but I believe the SoS decision on whether a Border Poll is called after the statutory test is met is judicable. So either side could take it to the Supreme Court. Or if it decided to hold one a government could just pass fresh primary legislation to be sure. MacDonald will be looking at last week's #Unityref polling in light of a No Deal Brexit. Though polling on strong hypotheticals is suboptimal in my view. But if that polling is remotely correct the Border Poll test set out in international law would be met within months.kle4 said:
That's fair.Scott_P said:0 -
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The alternate version of that video is an homage to Depeche Mode's video for Enjoy the SilenceSeanT said:
What is this bizarre animus people have developed against Coldplay? It reminds me of past hatreds of the Bee Gees, Abba, Phil Collins, Pink Floyd, and so on.FrancisUrquhart said:
For that it should be automatically knocked down 100 positions in the world rankings.Jonathan said:UCL gave the world Coldplay. Musical herpes.
Some music is so popular I think some insecure, beta, middle class but low-self esteem people have to express a contempt for it, to virtue signal their good taste (compared to the plebs that like this pap). Of course it is bollocks. 20 years later everyone admits it is bollocks.
The Beegees, Abba, Phil Collins, Pink Floyd have all made great pop music, music whose only sin was its popularity, because it is really good pop music. Coldplay are the same. Viva La Vida is a superb popsong, and I challenge anyone to listen to it and not feel a certain exhilaration.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvgZkm1xWPE
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Yep, but you pay a shedload if tax now. I do, too. I reckon the state’s investment in us has been repaid. I suspect that university students from the age of grants, the dole in the summer and housing benefit are huge net contributors to the exchequer.SeanT said:
Yes. And of course we know why. Student loans, and foreign students. In my day we were actually PAID by the government to go to university. It seems insane now. And we got extra money (or I did) if we were deemed poor. And then we got to live in London W1, for almost no money.FrancisUrquhart said:
That is like a lot of SUs at top rank unis these days...where as the shit ones are going bust.SeanT said:
Nah, not in my day. UCL (my uni Union) was the place to score anything you wanted. Students would come down from Oxford just for the parties.dixiedean said:
Used to have the most plentiful dealers, though.SeanT said:
My wife went to SOAS. She's on the Left, but even she found it unbearable. It has been a hyena's nest of vile and lunatic politics for decades. They should close it down, demolish it, and sow the vacant ground with salt.FrancisUrquhart said:Comedians invited to perform at a benefit gig at Soas University of London have been sent a “behavioural agreement” that forbids them from tackling any topic in a way that is not “respectful and kind”.
https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2018/dec/11/comedians-asked-to-sign-behavioural-agreement-for-soas-gig
SAD....also, Islamophobia gets a name check, as does anti-religion or anti-atheism, but not antisemitism.
And WTF is "ableism" ?
The decadence of it is quite extraordinary, looking back. The bar was open from 10am to 11pm and always full, and noisy, and drunk, and throughout the day all kinds of drugs were openly sold, from dope to acid to speed and coke (and smack if you asked quietly)
I went back to UCL a couple of years ago. The union is now posh, gleaming, quiet and full of earnest Asian students drinking coffee.
Sad.
The privileges we enioyed were bonkers, seen from the perspective of today. If you're payiong tens of grand for a good education, you drink less, and study more, and imbibe coffee.
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When my,little newborn was jaundiced, Coldplay got me through all those trips to the hospital.0
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It’s on! (If Reuters isn’t a fake news peddler)0
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But their large pile of dirge is really a small molehill compared to the Radiohead pile of dirge....AlastairMeeks said:
Coldplay have made precisely one great song (Fix You), a handful of ok aongs and a large pile of dirge.SeanT said:
What is this bizarre animus people have developed against Coldplay? It reminds me of past hatreds of the Bee Gees, Abba, Phil Collins, Pink Floyd, and so on.FrancisUrquhart said:
For that it should be automatically knocked down 100 positions in the world rankings.Jonathan said:UCL gave the world Coldplay. Musical herpes.
Some music is so popular I think some insecure, beta, middle class but low-self esteem people have to express a contempt for it, to virtue signal their good taste (compared to the plebs that like this pap). Of course it is bollocks. 20 years later everyone admits it is bollocks.
The Beegees, Abba, Phil Collins, Pink Floyd have all made great pop music, music whose only sin was its popularity, because it is really good pop music. Coldplay are the same. Viva La Vida is a superb popsong, and I challenge anyone to listen to it and not feel a certain exhilaration.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kVxpsi1XQ4SeanT said:
What is this bizarre animus people have developed against Coldplay? It reminds me of past hatreds of the Bee Gees, Abba, Phil Collins, Pink Floyd, and so on.FrancisUrquhart said:
For that it should be automatically knocked down 100 positions in the world rankings.Jonathan said:UCL gave the world Coldplay. Musical herpes.
Some music is so popular I think some insecure, beta, middle class but low-self esteem people have to express a contempt for it, to virtue signal their good taste (compared to the plebs that like this pap). Of course it is bollocks. 20 years later everyone admits it is bollocks.
The Beegees, Abba, Phil Collins, Pink Floyd have all made great pop music, music whose only sin was its popularity, because it is really good pop music. Coldplay are the same. Viva La Vida is a superb popsong, and I challenge anyone to listen to it and not feel a certain exhilaration.
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Nah. Difference is that ABBA, the Bee Gees were superb musicians working in a low-brow genre; Coldplay work in a high-brow genre but they’re shit musicians.SeanT said:
What is this bizarre animus people have developed against Coldplay? It reminds me of past hatreds of the Bee Gees, Abba, Phil Collins, Pink Floyd, and so on.FrancisUrquhart said:
For that it should be automatically knocked down 100 positions in the world rankings.Jonathan said:UCL gave the world Coldplay. Musical herpes.
Some music is so popular I think some insecure, beta, middle class but low-self esteem people have to express a contempt for it, to virtue signal their good taste (compared to the plebs that like this pap). Of course it is bollocks. 20 years later everyone admits it is bollocks.
The Beegees, Abba, Phil Collins, Pink Floyd have all made great pop music, music whose only sin was its popularity, because it is really good pop music. Coldplay are the same. Viva La Vida is a superb popsong, and I challenge anyone to listen to it and not feel a certain exhilaration.
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I heard on Sky news that the earliest was tomorrow night.MarqueeMark said:
Very well placed sources were telling us the vote was going ahead tonight. Until, moments later, it wasn't.Scott_P said:
But the guy saying that did say the letters were in already.....0 -
And an even larger pile of cash.AlastairMeeks said:
Coldplay have made precisely one great song (Fix You), a handful of ok aongs and a large pile of dirge.SeanT said:
What is this bizarre animus people have developed against Coldplay? It reminds me of past hatreds of the Bee Gees, Abba, Phil Collins, Pink Floyd, and so on.FrancisUrquhart said:
For that it should be automatically knocked down 100 positions in the world rankings.Jonathan said:UCL gave the world Coldplay. Musical herpes.
Some music is so popular I think some insecure, beta, middle class but low-self esteem people have to express a contempt for it, to virtue signal their good taste (compared to the plebs that like this pap). Of course it is bollocks. 20 years later everyone admits it is bollocks.
The Beegees, Abba, Phil Collins, Pink Floyd have all made great pop music, music whose only sin was its popularity, because it is really good pop music. Coldplay are the same. Viva La Vida is a superb popsong, and I challenge anyone to listen to it and not feel a certain exhilaration.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvgZkm1xWPE
I believe they split the royalties equally so I have to say being the drummer on Coldplay must be a crushy gig. Mega wealthy without even most Coldplay fans being able to recognise you if you pop down Waitrose.0 -
LOL - compare and contrastwilliamglenn said:0 -
Now would be the perfect time for Labour to call a VONC.0
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The drummer of Coldplay is the looker.FrancisUrquhart said:
And an even larger pile of cash.AlastairMeeks said:
Coldplay have made precisely one great song (Fix You), a handful of ok aongs and a large pile of dirge.SeanT said:
What is this bizarre animus people have developed against Coldplay? It reminds me of past hatreds of the Bee Gees, Abba, Phil Collins, Pink Floyd, and so on.FrancisUrquhart said:
For that it should be automatically knocked down 100 positions in the world rankings.Jonathan said:UCL gave the world Coldplay. Musical herpes.
Some music is so popular I think some insecure, beta, middle class but low-self esteem people have to express a contempt for it, to virtue signal their good taste (compared to the plebs that like this pap). Of course it is bollocks. 20 years later everyone admits it is bollocks.
The Beegees, Abba, Phil Collins, Pink Floyd have all made great pop music, music whose only sin was its popularity, because it is really good pop music. Coldplay are the same. Viva La Vida is a superb popsong, and I challenge anyone to listen to it and not feel a certain exhilaration.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvgZkm1xWPE
I believe they split the royalties equally so I have to say being the drummer on Coldplay must be a crushy gig. Mega wealthy without even most Coldplay fans being able to recognise you if you pop down Waitrose.0 -
I remember that thread header. I fear you are right. But I still hope - for my childrens’ sake - that decent people can do something so that it need not be so.AlastairMeeks said:
I’ve pointed out ever since the referendum result that Britain has entered a long term serious decline. It was one of those inflexion point moments. It has a long way to run yet.Cyclefree said:
The way we're going that will be in about 6 weeks time.AlastairMeeks said:Theresa May has had her chips. I expect the time is coming soon enough when we will look back fondly on the halcyon days of her premiership.
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As some have noted, if "the Palace" really have been contacted, that implies resignation, whether the letters are in or not...0
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LOL, Liz is not going to be happy if her Christmas is ruined. Fingers crossed she unilatelly dismisses Parliament and calls an election herself in a fit of pique.williamglenn said:0 -
The Commons would vote before the Tory MPs. They would force the Tory MPs to publicly state confidence just before they vote the other way privately. Not a good look.RobD said:
I doubt any of the letter-writers would vote for that!Jonathan said:Now would be the perfect time for Labour to call a VONC.
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That’s nonsense. The conversations might simply have been procedural.Scott_P said:As some have noted, if "the Palace" really have been contacted, that implies resignation, whether the letters are in or not...
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To ways to square tonight's contradictory reports. The letters aren't in. The letters are in and Brady isn't seeing May tomorrow afternoon because he's already seen her. The briefing about the Cabinet Office and the Palace being in contact suggests the later but who knows ?0
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They are two different entities.Jonathan said:
The Commons would vote before the Tory MPs. They would force the Tory MPs to publicly state confidence just before they vote the other way privately. Not a good look.RobD said:
I doubt any of the letter-writers would vote for that!Jonathan said:Now would be the perfect time for Labour to call a VONC.
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In hindsight, London 2012 was Peak Britain0
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If ever there were a time for a political Queen's speech it's this Christmas...Danny565 said:
LOL, Liz is not going to be happy if her Christmas is ruined. Fingers crossed she unilatelly dismisses Parliament and calls an election herself in a fit of pique.williamglenn said:0 -
I know. But this would be hugely messy. With it jus to see what they would do.RobD said:
They are two different entities.Jonathan said:
The Commons would vote before the Tory MPs. They would force the Tory MPs to publicly state confidence just before they vote the other way privately. Not a good look.RobD said:
I doubt any of the letter-writers would vote for that!Jonathan said:Now would be the perfect time for Labour to call a VONC.
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Echo chamberDanny565 said:
Their story seems to be based solely on Laura Kuenssberg, who was herself just recycling the same gossip from "sources" as everyone else.RobD said:It’s on! (If Reuters isn’t a fake news peddler)
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Or some have withdrawn their letters.YellowSubmarine said:To ways to square tonight's contradictory reports. The letters aren't in. The letters are in and Brady isn't seeing May tomorrow afternoon because he's already seen her. The briefing about the Cabinet Office and the Palace being in contact suggests the later but who knows ?
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Would that she could.Danny565 said:
LOL, Liz is not going to be happy if her Christmas is ruined. Fingers crossed she unilatelly dismisses Parliament and calls an election herself in a fit of pique.williamglenn said:0 -
FTPA took that option away from her.Danny565 said:
LOL, Liz is not going to be happy if her Christmas is ruined. Fingers crossed she unilatelly dismisses Parliament and calls an election herself in a fit of pique.williamglenn said:0 -
Agreed. I’m a GenX grant bludger who now pays a huge chunk in.SouthamObserver said:
Yep, but you pay a shedload if tax now. I do, too. I reckon the state’s investment in us has been repaid. I suspect that university students from the age of grants, the dole in the summer and housing benefit are huge net contributors to the excheSeanT said:
Yes. And of course we know why. Student loans, and foreign students. In my day we were actually PAID by the government to go to university. It seems insane now. And we got extra money (or I did) if we were deemed poor. And then we got to live in London W1, for almost no money.FrancisUrquhart said:
That is like a lot of SUs at top rank unis these days...where as the shit ones are going bust.SeanT said:
Nah, not in my day. UCL (my uni Union) was the place to score anything you wanted. Students would come down from Oxford just for the parties.dixiedean said:
Used to have the most plentiful dealers, though.SeanT said:
My wife went to SOAS. She's on the Left, but even she found it unbearable. It has been a hyena's nest of vile and lunatic politics for decades. They should close it down, demolish it, and sow the vacant ground with salt.FrancisUrquhart said:Comedians invited to perform at a benefit gig at Soas University of London have been sent a “behavioural agreement” that forbids them from tackling any topic in a way that is not “respectful and kind”.
https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2018/dec/11/comedians-asked-to-sign-behavioural-agreement-for-soas-gig
SAD....also, Islamophobia gets a name check, as does anti-religion or anti-atheism, but not antisemitism.
And WTF is "ableism" ?
The decadence of it is quite extraordinary, looking back. The bar was open from 10am to 11pm and always full, and noisy, and drunk, and throughout the day all kinds of drugs were openly sold, from dope to acid to speed and coke (and smack if you asked quietly)
I went back to UCL a couple of years ago. The union is now posh, gleaming, quiet and full of earnest Asian students drinking coffee.
Sad.
The privileges we enioyed were bonkers, seen from the perspective of today. If you're payiong tens of grand for a good education, you drink less, and study more, and imbibe coffee.
Almost too subtle.Jonathan said:When my,little newborn was jaundiced, Coldplay got me through all those trips to the hospital.
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Why would they do that? Yes, a Tory contest that takes time is hardly something we can afford right now, but May as PM is also achieving nothing, why get cold feet about your letter now if you are then? That makes as little sense as judging people for not supporting their hometown, without telling them how far afield they are permitted to support a team.SouthamObserver said:
Or some have withdrawn their letters.YellowSubmarine said:To ways to square tonight's contradictory reports. The letters aren't in. The letters are in and Brady isn't seeing May tomorrow afternoon because he's already seen her. The briefing about the Cabinet Office and the Palace being in contact suggests the later but who knows ?
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