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Labour could easily lose 6 Scottish seats in a snap election. And, the SNP could easily lose a shed load of seats in the other direction.Richard_Nabavi said:0 -
Oort seems to be "Clouded" by his worldview!Oort said:
Things would have gone no better in Russia or China had the Whites or Kuomintang won the respective civil wars.SeanT said:I had to give my smart, lefty young wife Jung Chang's Wild Swans to read, to make her grasp the total and evil failure of communism. She said she had no idea, she thinks the book has changed her worldview, she is sharing it with her friends, who are all equally stunned. Seriously. It is a revelation to them.
They should put that book on the bloody National Curriculum.0 -
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That has to be one of the best unintentionally funny posts I have ever seen!TOPPING said:
"Once again Leadsom is thoroughly sound."Luckyguy1983 said:
He's an odious little twerp. Once again Leadsom is thoroughly sound. The extent to which she's attacked by remainers is a measure of how afraid they are of her. See also Rees Mogg.grabcocque said:
A good Speaker stands up for the rights of Parliament against an overbearing and overmighty executive.kle4 said:
That's yes then. Bercow is without balance at the moment, he's losing it.El_Capitano said:
Depends on the Speaker AIUI.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1072467238630887424
He can't can he?
Thus, if the government is pissed off with them, it's a sign they are doing their job properly.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/conservative-party/news/100503/andrea-leadsom-questions-commons-speaker
QED.
(Incidentally I think we can add the rights and responsibilities of the Speaker's Chair to the bumper book of Things Mrs Leadsom Does Not Understand).
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Especially given it relies on the BoE "worst case" scenario which requires, amongst other things, the government to take no mitigating actions.Beverley_C said:
Great word that. You can disbelieve everything you read since "could" means that the author is admitting it is all rubbish ...Donny43 said:
"could".Richard_Nabavi said:A disorderly hard Brexit could see the loss of 100,000 jobs in Scotland, the country’s main economics thinktank, the Fraser of Allander Institute, has forecast.
Citing the Bank of England’s worst case scenario that the economy would shrink by 8.9% after Brexit, the institute, based at the University of Strathclyde, said that would reverse recent steady growth in Scotland’s economy, now growing at a faster rate than the UK as a whole.
It would have twice the impact on the Scottish economy than the 2008 financial crash, which saw tens of thousands of jobs cut in the finance sector and other industries.
Odd, then, that the SNP are risking a No Deal crash out by not supporting the EU's deal.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2018/dec/11/brexit-deal-latest-theresa-may-eu-juncker-tells-may-deal-could-be-clarified-but-no-room-whatsoever-for-renegotiation-politics-live
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Thing is, these are the people we are dealing with: Leadsom, Baker, Jenkyns, Francois, Bridgen. They seem the dimmest, nastiest ones. Then we have the clowns: JRM, Boris, Raab.Nigel_Foremain said:
That has to be one of the best unintentionally funny posts I have ever seen!TOPPING said:
"Once again Leadsom is thoroughly sound."Luckyguy1983 said:
He's an odious little twerp. Once again Leadsom is thoroughly sound. The extent to which she's attacked by remainers is a measure of how afraid they are of her. See also Rees Mogg.grabcocque said:
A good Speaker stands up for the rights of Parliament against an overbearing and overmighty executive.kle4 said:
That's yes then. Bercow is without balance at the moment, he's losing it.El_Capitano said:
Depends on the Speaker AIUI.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1072467238630887424
He can't can he?
Thus, if the government is pissed off with them, it's a sign they are doing their job properly.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/conservative-party/news/100503/andrea-leadsom-questions-commons-speaker
QED.
(Incidentally I think we can add the rights and responsibilities of the Speaker's Chair to the bumper book of Things Mrs Leadsom Does Not Understand).
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That I am a member of the same party as these utter, utter arseholes is a cause of significant concern.0 -
Nice.Sunil_Prasannan said:
Oort seems to be "Clouded" by his worldview!Oort said:
Things would have gone no better in Russia or China had the Whites or Kuomintang won the respective civil wars.SeanT said:I had to give my smart, lefty young wife Jung Chang's Wild Swans to read, to make her grasp the total and evil failure of communism. She said she had no idea, she thinks the book has changed her worldview, she is sharing it with her friends, who are all equally stunned. Seriously. It is a revelation to them.
They should put that book on the bloody National Curriculum.0 -
Not that the Germans are in charge or anything.Scott_P said:0 -
Talking his own book there, he's already put a letter calling for a vote of no confidence in.Scott_P said:0 -
All those MPs of others demanding this, that and the other and clearly not understanding the difference between a transitional agreement and the permanent FTA between the UK and the EU should listen to the German MEP interviewed on today's WATO. He puts many of our legislators to shame.Scott_P said:0 -
Many sane Tory MPs (yes there still are some) are at their wits' end trying to point out to their colleagues just this. The WA is the WA. Different from any future FTA.Cyclefree said:
All those MPs of others demanding this, that and the other and clearly not understanding the difference between a transitional agreement and the permanent FTA between the UK and the EU should listen to the German MEP interviewed on today's WATO. He puts many of our legislators to shame.Scott_P said:0 -
women eh ?Beverley_C said:
"According to a former colleague who admitted to not knowing her personally, "the problem about these claims[clarification needed] is that they risk misleading people into believing that she has finance management skills and experience which qualify her for senior posts in government"; her actual job was to work (sometimes part-time) on “special projects”, mostly for the Chief Investment Officer, which included negotiating pay terms for senior fund managers. Towards the end of her time, she advised on a number of governance issues, but she had no-one reporting to her in either role"Luckyguy1983 said:
What does that have to do with anything?TOPPING said:
Afraid of Leadsom? Wasn't she senior partner of Goldman Sachs?Luckyguy1983 said:
Case in point.TOPPING said:
"Once again Leadsom is thoroughly sound."Luckyguy1983 said:
He's an odious little twerp. Once again Leadsom is thoroughly sound. The extent to which she's attacked by remainers is a measure of how afraid they are of her. See also Rees Mogg.grabcocque said:
A good Speaker stands up for the rights of Parliament against an overbearing and overmighty executive.kle4 said:
That's yes then. Bercow is without balance at the moment, he's losing it.El_Capitano said:
Depends on the Speaker AIUI.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1072467238630887424
He can't can he?
Thus, if the government is pissed off with them, it's a sign they are doing their job properly.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/conservative-party/news/100503/andrea-leadsom-questions-commons-speaker
QED.
(Incidentally I think we can add the rights and responsibilities of the Speaker's Chair to the bumper book of Things Mrs Leadsom Does Not Understand).
ha haha hahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea_Leadsom#Financial_career
really they should stick to making the tea.
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Well if you have a couple of billion to lend them, job done!Sunil_Prasannan said:Crossrail...
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Testify.TOPPING said:
Thing is, these are the people we are dealing with: Leadsom, Baker, Jenkyns, Francois, Bridgen. They seem the dimmest, nastiest ones. Then we have the clowns: JRM, Boris, Raab.Nigel_Foremain said:
That has to be one of the best unintentionally funny posts I have ever seen!TOPPING said:
"Once again Leadsom is thoroughly sound."Luckyguy1983 said:
He's an odious little twerp. Once again Leadsom is thoroughly sound. The extent to which she's attacked by remainers is a measure of how afraid they are of her. See also Rees Mogg.grabcocque said:
A good Speaker stands up for the rights of Parliament against an overbearing and overmighty executive.kle4 said:
That's yes then. Bercow is without balance at the moment, he's losing it.El_Capitano said:
Depends on the Speaker AIUI.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1072467238630887424
He can't can he?
Thus, if the government is pissed off with them, it's a sign they are doing their job properly.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/conservative-party/news/100503/andrea-leadsom-questions-commons-speaker
QED.
(Incidentally I think we can add the rights and responsibilities of the Speaker's Chair to the bumper book of Things Mrs Leadsom Does Not Understand).
ha haha hahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
That I am a member of the same party as these utter, utter arseholes is a cause of significant concern.
This is why I'm positively tumescent at the prospect of No Deal, it'll destroy the credibility of the ERG and their hangers on forever, they are the modern day appeasers.
Short term pain for long term gain I say.0 -
I don't know if people who can't make the distinction are just being dishonest, or if they just don't understand the distinction.TOPPING said:
Many sane Tory MPs (yes there still are some) are at their wits' end trying to point out to their colleagues just this. The WA is the WA. Different from any future FTA.Cyclefree said:
All those MPs of others demanding this, that and the other and clearly not understanding the difference between a transitional agreement and the permanent FTA between the UK and the EU should listen to the German MEP interviewed on today's WATO. He puts many of our legislators to shame.Scott_P said:0 -
How is May's displacement exercise in unprecedented futility going on?0
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How are you going to get the EU to renegotiate the Deal?grabcocque said:How is May's displacement exercise in unprecedented futility going on?
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The problem is that the WA is supposed to be temporary but the backstop is permanent.TOPPING said:
Many sane Tory MPs (yes there still are some) are at their wits' end trying to point out to their colleagues just this. The WA is the WA. Different from any future FTA.Cyclefree said:
All those MPs of others demanding this, that and the other and clearly not understanding the difference between a transitional agreement and the permanent FTA between the UK and the EU should listen to the German MEP interviewed on today's WATO. He puts many of our legislators to shame.Scott_P said:0 -
Um, my excuse is that I've been on, ah, "trainspotting leave" for the last three monthsSandyRentool said:
Well if you have a couple of billion to lend them, job done!Sunil_Prasannan said:Crossrail...
Must have Crossrail...
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There was a long Twitter thread yesterday, detailing Dan Hannan's persistent confusion between *a* single market, *the* single market, the EEA, EFTA, the common market, a free trade area, and a free trade agreement.Sean_F said:
I don't know if people who can't make the distinction are just being dishonest, if they just don't understand the distinction.TOPPING said:
Many sane Tory MPs (yes there still are some) are at their wits' end trying to point out to their colleagues just this. The WA is the WA. Different from any future FTA.Cyclefree said:
All those MPs of others demanding this, that and the other and clearly not understanding the difference between a transitional agreement and the permanent FTA between the UK and the EU should listen to the German MEP interviewed on today's WATO. He puts many of our legislators to shame.Scott_P said:
He seems to use all these terms so fungibly, so often, that we can only assume that he literally has no real idea what any of them mean, or how they differ from each other.
The great intellectual of the Brexit project, appears to understand as much about global trade as the average house brick.0 -
Free owls.Sunil_Prasannan said:
How are you going to get the EU to renegotiate the Deal?grabcocque said:How is May's displacement exercise in unprecedented futility going on?
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Thing is, these are the people we are dealing with: Leadsom, Baker, Jenkyns, Francois, Bridgen. They seem the dimmest, nastiest ones. Then we have the clowns: JRM, Boris, Raab.Nigel_Foremain said:
That has to be one of the best unintentionally funny posts I have ever seen!TOPPING said:
"Once again Leadsom is thoroughly sound."Luckyguy1983 said:
He's an odious little twerp. Once again Leadsom is thoroughly sound. The extent to which she's attacked by remainers is a measure of how afraid they are of her. See also Rees Mogg.grabcocque said:
A good Speaker stands up for the rights of Parliament against an overbearing and overmighty executive.kle4 said:
That's yes then. Bercow is without balance at the moment, he's losing it.El_Capitano said:
Depends on the Speaker AIUI.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1072467238630887424
He can't can he?
Thus, if the government is pissed off with them, it's a sign they are doing their job properly.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/conservative-party/news/100503/andrea-leadsom-questions-commons-speaker
QED.
(Incidentally I think we can add the rights and responsibilities of the Speaker's Chair to the bumper book of Things Mrs Leadsom Does Not Understand).
ha haha hahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
That I am a member of the same party as these utter, utter arseholes is a cause of significant concern.0 -
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Try Andrew Lilico's twitter feed.grabcocque said:
There was a long Twitter thread yesterday, detailing Dan Hannan's persistent confusion between *a* single market, *the* single market, the EEA, EFTA, the common market, a free trade area, and a free trade agreement.Sean_F said:
I don't know if people who can't make the distinction are just being dishonest, if they just don't understand the distinction.TOPPING said:
Many sane Tory MPs (yes there still are some) are at their wits' end trying to point out to their colleagues just this. The WA is the WA. Different from any future FTA.Cyclefree said:
All those MPs of others demanding this, that and the other and clearly not understanding the difference between a transitional agreement and the permanent FTA between the UK and the EU should listen to the German MEP interviewed on today's WATO. He puts many of our legislators to shame.Scott_P said:
He seems to use all these terms so fungibly, so often, that we can only assume that he literally has no real idea what any of them mean, or how they differ from each other.
The great intellectual of the Brexit project, appears to understand as much about global trade as the average house brick.0 -
It's by no means your fault; what is worrying is that they've got to the top of it.tottenhamWC said:
+1TOPPING said:
Thing is, these are the people we are dealing with: Leadsom, Baker, Jenkyns, Francois, Bridgen. They seem the dimmest, nastiest ones. Then we have the clowns: JRM, Boris, Raab.Nigel_Foremain said:
That has to be one of the best unintentionally funny posts I have ever seen!TOPPING said:
"Once again Leadsom is thoroughly sound."Luckyguy1983 said:
He's an odious little twerp. Once again Leadsom is thoroughly sound. The extent to which she's attacked by remainers is a measure of how afraid they are of her. See also Rees Mogg.grabcocque said:
A good Speaker stands up for the rights of Parliament against an overbearing and overmighty executive.kle4 said:
That's yes then. Bercow is without balance at the moment, he's losing it.El_Capitano said:
Depends on the Speaker AIUI.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1072467238630887424
He can't can he?
Thus, if the government is pissed off with them, it's a sign they are doing their job properly.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/conservative-party/news/100503/andrea-leadsom-questions-commons-speaker
QED.
(Incidentally I think we can add the rights and responsibilities of the Speaker's Chair to the bumper book of Things Mrs Leadsom Does Not Understand).
ha haha hahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
That I am a member of the same party as these utter, utter arseholes is a cause of significant concern.0 -
They haven't, you're thinking of the Labour Party.OldKingCole said:
It's by no means your fault; what is worrying is that they've got to the top of it.tottenhamWC said:
+1TOPPING said:
Thing is, these are the people we are dealing with: Leadsom, Baker, Jenkyns, Francois, Bridgen. They seem the dimmest, nastiest ones. Then we have the clowns: JRM, Boris, Raab.Nigel_Foremain said:
That has to be one of the best unintentionally funny posts I have ever seen!TOPPING said:
"Once again Leadsom is thoroughly sound."Luckyguy1983 said:
He's an odious little twerp. Once again Leadsom is thoroughly sound. The extent to which she's attacked by remainers is a measure of how afraid they are of her. See also Rees Mogg.grabcocque said:
A good Speaker stands up for the rights of Parliament against an overbearing and overmighty executive.kle4 said:
That's yes then. Bercow is without balance at the moment, he's losing it.El_Capitano said:
Depends on the Speaker AIUI.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1072467238630887424
He can't can he?
Thus, if the government is pissed off with them, it's a sign they are doing their job properly.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/conservative-party/news/100503/andrea-leadsom-questions-commons-speaker
QED.
(Incidentally I think we can add the rights and responsibilities of the Speaker's Chair to the bumper book of Things Mrs Leadsom Does Not Understand).
ha haha hahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
That I am a member of the same party as these utter, utter arseholes is a cause of significant concern.0 -
And if hey've got enough owls? Going to try unicorns?grabcocque said:
Free owls.Sunil_Prasannan said:
How are you going to get the EU to renegotiate the Deal?grabcocque said:How is May's displacement exercise in unprecedented futility going on?
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https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/ov1j5vfvv6/QMUL_London_December18_Website.pdf
Labour leads 49% to 33% in London voting intention.
The Conservatives would probably regain Battersea and Kensington on those numbers.0 -
#BREAKING: 'No way to change' Brexit deal, says Merkel after May visit #Brexit @AFP
LITERALLY NOBODY SAW THIS ONE COMING, RIGHT?0 -
https://twitter.com/andrew_lilico/status/1064827316138852352Sean_F said:Try Andrew Lilico's twitter feed.
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Sir, I challenge this ridiculous assertion that it is possible to have enough owls.OldKingCole said:
And if hey've got enough owls? Going to try unicorns?grabcocque said:
Free owls.Sunil_Prasannan said:
How are you going to get the EU to renegotiate the Deal?grabcocque said:How is May's displacement exercise in unprecedented futility going on?
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Topping and the man from Spurs are Labour?Richard_Nabavi said:
They haven't, you're thinking of the Labour Party.OldKingCole said:
It's by no means your fault; what is worrying is that they've got to the top of it.tottenhamWC said:
+1TOPPING said:
Thing is, these are the people we are dealing with: Leadsom, Baker, Jenkyns, Francois, Bridgen. They seem the dimmest, nastiest ones. Then we have the clowns: JRM, Boris, Raab.Nigel_Foremain said:
That has to be one of the best unintentionally funny posts I have ever seen!TOPPING said:
"Once again Leadsom is thoroughly sound."Luckyguy1983 said:
He's an odious little twerp. Once again Leadsom is thoroughly sound. The extent to which she's attacked by remainers is a measure of how afraid they are of her. See also Rees Mogg.grabcocque said:
A good Speaker stands up for the rights of Parliament against an overbearing and overmighty executive.kle4 said:
That's yes then. Bercow is without balance at the moment, he's losing it.El_Capitano said:
Depends on the Speaker AIUI.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1072467238630887424
He can't can he?
Thus, if the government is pissed off with them, it's a sign they are doing their job properly.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/conservative-party/news/100503/andrea-leadsom-questions-commons-speaker
QED.
(Incidentally I think we can add the rights and responsibilities of the Speaker's Chair to the bumper book of Things Mrs Leadsom Does Not Understand).
ha haha hahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
That I am a member of the same party as these utter, utter arseholes is a cause of significant concern.
Mind as an ex Lib Dem I would/couldn't gloat.
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Mr. Cocque, ha, I know you're being silly, but it's still remarkable that May's going through with this charade given *everyone* saw this coming. Daft woman.0
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What's that country & western number which includes the line 'girl too pretty, car too fast'!grabcocque said:
Sir, I challenge this ridiculous assertion that it is possible to have enough owls.OldKingCole said:
And if hey've got enough owls? Going to try unicorns?grabcocque said:
Free owls.Sunil_Prasannan said:
How are you going to get the EU to renegotiate the Deal?grabcocque said:How is May's displacement exercise in unprecedented futility going on?
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Of course Lilico is an arch-federalist now.williamglenn said:
https://twitter.com/andrew_lilico/status/1064827316138852352Sean_F said:Try Andrew Lilico's twitter feed.
OF COURSE HE IS.0 -
That's one of his more lucid tweets.williamglenn said:
https://twitter.com/andrew_lilico/status/1064827316138852352Sean_F said:Try Andrew Lilico's twitter feed.
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PM returns from a trip abroad: "I have in my hand a letter from the Chairman of the 1922 Committee..."Scott_P said:0 -
Manny Antoinette's offer of some cake not impressing the french
59% think his proposals wont work
54% think the gilets jaunes should keep protesting
http://www.lefigaro.fr/politique/le-scan/2018/12/11/25001-20181211ARTFIG00094-macron-n-a-pas-seduit-une-majorite-des-francais-mais-le-soutien-aux-gilets-jaunes-s-effrite.php0 -
Possibly done in by Remainers:Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1072520814745083916
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Nobody in govt at any rate - or so they tell us. It is why they are unsuitable to govern.grabcocque said:
#BREAKING: 'No way to change' Brexit deal, says Merkel after May visit #Brexit @AFP
LITERALLY NOBODY SAW THIS ONE COMING, RIGHT?
Corbyn is also unsuitable, but for different reasons and Uncle Vince is busy with a prolonged nap....
Andrew Lillico is right - we might as well join Le Grand Projet and hope that their politicians are better than ours.0 -
Lol @ Nadine's speech.0
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It's an absolutely logical conclusion to draw: if we've been dragged so far in that we can't leave, then let's just be properly in.grabcocque said:
Of course Lilico is an arch-federalist now.williamglenn said:
https://twitter.com/andrew_lilico/status/1064827316138852352Sean_F said:Try Andrew Lilico's twitter feed.
OF COURSE HE IS.0 -
Realise that Brady may already have the letters, but won't announce it whilst May is out-of-office on her futility tour, which means he probably won't announce till Friday and she's back from EUCO.0
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They aren't. The talent pool has really dried up in Western politics over the past 20 years or so.Beverley_C said:
Nobody in govt at any rate - or so they tell us. It is why they are unsuitable to govern.grabcocque said:
#BREAKING: 'No way to change' Brexit deal, says Merkel after May visit #Brexit @AFP
LITERALLY NOBODY SAW THIS ONE COMING, RIGHT?
Corbyn is also unsuitable, but for different reasons and Uncle Vince is busy with a prolonged nap....
Andrew Lillico is right - we might as well join Le Grand Projet and hope that their politicians are better than ours.0 -
lets not...Donny43 said:
It's an absolutely logical conclusion to draw: if we've been dragged so far in that we can't leave, then let's just be properly in.grabcocque said:
Of course Lilico is an arch-federalist now.williamglenn said:
https://twitter.com/andrew_lilico/status/1064827316138852352Sean_F said:Try Andrew Lilico's twitter feed.
OF COURSE HE IS.0 -
I'd argue there is an ocean of intellectual water separating boorish right wingers like Bridgen and (Andrea) Jenkyns from the likes of Raab and Johnson. At least Raab, Johnson, Gove and Hannan have made attempts to understand the EU and formulate a plan for a UK outside of the EU. Bridgen, Jenkyns and co seem not to have moved beyond 'Fuck the Frogs and Krauts'.TheScreamingEagles said:
Testify.TOPPING said:
Thing is, these are the people we are dealing with: Leadsom, Baker, Jenkyns, Francois, Bridgen. They seem the dimmest, nastiest ones. Then we have the clowns: JRM, Boris, Raab.Nigel_Foremain said:
That has to be one of the best unintentionally funny posts I have ever seen!TOPPING said:
"Once again Leadsom is thoroughly sound."Luckyguy1983 said:
He's an odious little twerp. Once again Leadsom is thoroughly sound. The extent to which she's attacked by remainers is a measure of how afraid they are of her. See also Rees Mogg.grabcocque said:
A good Speaker stands up for the rights of Parliament against an overbearing and overmighty executive.kle4 said:
That's yes then. Bercow is without balance at the moment, he's losing it.El_Capitano said:
Depends on the Speaker AIUI.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1072467238630887424
He can't can he?
Thus, if the government is pissed off with them, it's a sign they are doing their job properly.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/conservative-party/news/100503/andrea-leadsom-questions-commons-speaker
QED.
(Incidentally I think we can add the rights and responsibilities of the Speaker's Chair to the bumper book of Things Mrs Leadsom Does Not Understand).
ha haha hahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
That I am a member of the same party as these utter, utter arseholes is a cause of significant concern.
This is why I'm positively tumescent at the prospect of No Deal, it'll destroy the credibility of the ERG and their hangers on forever, they are the modern day appeasers.
Short term pain for long term gain I say.0 -
She's back for PMQs isn't she?grabcocque said:Realise that Brady may already have the letters, but won't announce it whilst May is out-of-office on her futility tour, which means he probably won't announce till Friday and she's back from EUCO.
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She made a very good point about how for the first time, people are really paying attention. That's the prerequisite for a shift in public opinion.Pulpstar said:Lol @ Nadine's speech.
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Though they have still run rings around Le Projet Brittanique.Sean_F said:
They aren't. The talent pool has really dried up in Western politics over the past 20 years or so.Beverley_C said:
Nobody in govt at any rate - or so they tell us. It is why they are unsuitable to govern.grabcocque said:
#BREAKING: 'No way to change' Brexit deal, says Merkel after May visit #Brexit @AFP
LITERALLY NOBODY SAW THIS ONE COMING, RIGHT?
Corbyn is also unsuitable, but for different reasons and Uncle Vince is busy with a prolonged nap....
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At least we know how to make tea...Alanbrooke said:
women eh ?Beverley_C said:
"According to a former colleague who admitted to not knowing her personally, "the problem about these claims[clarification needed] is that they risk misleading people into believing that she has finance management skills and experience which qualify her for senior posts in government"; her actual job was to work (sometimes part-time) on “special projects”, mostly for the Chief Investment Officer, which included negotiating pay terms for senior fund managers. Towards the end of her time, she advised on a number of governance issues, but she had no-one reporting to her in either role"Luckyguy1983 said:
What does that have to do with anything?TOPPING said:
Afraid of Leadsom? Wasn't she senior partner of Goldman Sachs?Luckyguy1983 said:
Case in point.TOPPING said:
"Once again Leadsom is thoroughly sound."Luckyguy1983 said:
He's an odious little twerp. Once again Leadsom is thoroughly sound. The extent to which she's attacked by remainers is a measure of how afraid they are of her. See also Rees Mogg.grabcocque said:
A good Speaker stands up for the rights of Parliament against an overbearing and overmighty executive.kle4 said:
That's yes then. Bercow is without balance at the moment, he's losing it.El_Capitano said:
Depends on the Speaker AIUI.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1072467238630887424
He can't can he?
Thus, if the government is pissed off with them, it's a sign they are doing their job properly.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/conservative-party/news/100503/andrea-leadsom-questions-commons-speaker
QED.
(Incidentally I think we can add the rights and responsibilities of the Speaker's Chair to the bumper book of Things Mrs Leadsom Does Not Understand).
ha haha hahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea_Leadsom#Financial_career
really they should stick to making the tea.
( picture of a seal )
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Expecting that we can be permanently half in, with opt outs of the bits we don't like, just causing trouble for everyone else is ultimate cakeism.Slackbladder said:
lets not...Donny43 said:
It's an absolutely logical conclusion to draw: if we've been dragged so far in that we can't leave, then let's just be properly in.grabcocque said:
Of course Lilico is an arch-federalist now.williamglenn said:
https://twitter.com/andrew_lilico/status/1064827316138852352Sean_F said:Try Andrew Lilico's twitter feed.
OF COURSE HE IS.0 -
A 2018 no con vote is now odds-on, quite possibly in response to these very tweets.AlastairMeeks said:
Possibly done in by Remainers:Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1072520814745083916
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.1514813780 -
And so there has been. Lord Ashcroft has found a large public shift against May's deal and towards Remain over the last two weeks.williamglenn said:
She made a very good point about how for the first time, people are really paying attention. That's the prerequisite for a shift in public opinion.Pulpstar said:Lol @ Nadine's speech.
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France admits it will struggle to meet 2019 budget target, EU says not to worry we'll look at it next year.
So thats alright then.
http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-france/2018/12/11/01016-20181211LIVWWW00017-en-direct-gilets-jaunes-emmanuel-macron-annonces-smic-pouvoir-achat-retraites-edouard-philippe.php0 -
Yes I understand that. I understand the objection but it is not seeing the wood for the trees. It is in everyone's best interest to conclude an FTA as soon as possible. For the EU because they think we are cherry-picking and for us because of, well, the backstop which irritates some folk.Donny43 said:
The problem is that the WA is supposed to be temporary but the backstop is permanent.TOPPING said:
Many sane Tory MPs (yes there still are some) are at their wits' end trying to point out to their colleagues just this. The WA is the WA. Different from any future FTA.Cyclefree said:
All those MPs of others demanding this, that and the other and clearly not understanding the difference between a transitional agreement and the permanent FTA between the UK and the EU should listen to the German MEP interviewed on today's WATO. He puts many of our legislators to shame.Scott_P said:
But it is a staging post which all sides want to move on from as soon as possible.
The Cons MP Brexiters are not even clever enough to understand that the EU dislikes the deal that the UK has got intensely.
Plus, of course, as I have pointed out a zillion times, there simply cannot not be a backstop so it's just as well that it will be redundant in a year or two or three.0 -
Just announced she's meeting Varadkar tomorrow as part of Futility Tour '18, but doesn't say when.DanSmith said:
She's back for PMQs isn't she?grabcocque said:Realise that Brady may already have the letters, but won't announce it whilst May is out-of-office on her futility tour, which means he probably won't announce till Friday and she's back from EUCO.
Honestly might be best if she doesn't show her face round these parts for a little while.0 -
My mistake was always suggesting he was a moron or he was mendacious. TSE's breakthrough was that he was both.grabcocque said:
There was a long Twitter thread yesterday, detailing Dan Hannan's persistent confusion between *a* single market, *the* single market, the EEA, EFTA, the common market, a free trade area, and a free trade agreement.Sean_F said:
I don't know if people who can't make the distinction are just being dishonest, if they just don't understand the distinction.TOPPING said:
Many sane Tory MPs (yes there still are some) are at their wits' end trying to point out to their colleagues just this. The WA is the WA. Different from any future FTA.Cyclefree said:
All those MPs of others demanding this, that and the other and clearly not understanding the difference between a transitional agreement and the permanent FTA between the UK and the EU should listen to the German MEP interviewed on today's WATO. He puts many of our legislators to shame.Scott_P said:
He seems to use all these terms so fungibly, so often, that we can only assume that he literally has no real idea what any of them mean, or how they differ from each other.
The great intellectual of the Brexit project, appears to understand as much about global trade as the average house brick.0 -
The problem with the WA is that it ties our hands for the FTA agreement. Whilst no FTA is easy, I do sympathise with those saying it should be easy to negotiate, as we already have agreed and equal standards for goods through British Standards reflecting their Eurocodes. And if the EU followed the spirit of article 50 and weren’t seeking to punish us for leaving (pour encourager les autres) then we could have had a managed no deal exit with agreement on import of goods, air traffic etc without with doom laden predictions.TheScreamingEagles said:
Testify.TOPPING said:
Thing is, these are the people we are dealing with: Leadsom, Baker, Jenkyns, Francois, Bridgen. They seem the dimmest, nastiest ones. Then we have the clowns: JRM, Boris, Raab.Nigel_Foremain said:
That has to be one of the best unintentionally funny posts I have ever seen!TOPPING said:
"Once again Leadsom is thoroughly sound."Luckyguy1983 said:
He's an odious little twerp. Once again Leadsom is thoroughly sound. The extent to which she's attacked by remainers is a measure of how afraid they are of her. See also Rees Mogg.grabcocque said:
A good Speaker stands up for the rights of Parliament against an overbearing and overmighty executive.kle4 said:
That's yes then. Bercow is without balance at the moment, he's losing it.El_Capitano said:
Depends on the Speaker AIUI.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1072467238630887424
He can't can he?
Thus, if the government is pissed off with them, it's a sign they are doing their job properly.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/conservative-party/news/100503/andrea-leadsom-questions-commons-speaker
QED.
(Incidentally I think we can add the rights and responsibilities of the Speaker's Chair to the bumper book of Things Mrs Leadsom Does Not Understand).
ha haha hahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
That I am a member of the same party as these utter, utter arseholes is a cause of significant concern.
This is why I'm positively tumescent at the prospect of No Deal, it'll destroy the credibility of the ERG and their hangers on forever, they are the modern day appeasers.
Short term pain for long term gain I say.
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Oh FFS! The backstop only comes into operation if there is no FTA. Even the dimmest MP should understand that it is there as an incentive to ensure that the EU and us enter into a FTA, which is what everyone wants and which one particularly dim Tory MP (the former Brexit secretary no less) described as the "easiest trade deal in history".Donny43 said:
The problem is that the WA is supposed to be temporary but the backstop is permanent.TOPPING said:
Many sane Tory MPs (yes there still are some) are at their wits' end trying to point out to their colleagues just this. The WA is the WA. Different from any future FTA.Cyclefree said:
All those MPs of others demanding this, that and the other and clearly not understanding the difference between a transitional agreement and the permanent FTA between the UK and the EU should listen to the German MEP interviewed on today's WATO. He puts many of our legislators to shame.Scott_P said:
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Tricky market:Tissue_Price said:
A 2018 no con vote is now odds-on, quite possibly in response to these very tweets.AlastairMeeks said:
Possibly done in by Remainers:Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1072520814745083916
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.151481378
Will a No Confidence vote on Theresa May's leadership of the Conservative Party take place in 2018? The market will be settled once the vote has officially taken place.
If Theresa May stands down as leader after the no confidence vote is triggered but before the actual vote takes place then No will be settled as the winner0 -
Richard may be right that there are loons at the top of the Labour Party but dear god when the airwaves are full of the ERG, for all the world looking as though they are indeed at the top of their party then yes I worry.OldKingCole said:
Topping and the man from Spurs are Labour?Richard_Nabavi said:
They haven't, you're thinking of the Labour Party.OldKingCole said:
It's by no means your fault; what is worrying is that they've got to the top of it.tottenhamWC said:
+1TOPPING said:
Thing is, these are the people we are dealing with: Leadsom, Baker, Jenkyns, Francois, Bridgen. They seem the dimmest, nastiest ones. Then we have the clowns: JRM, Boris, Raab.Nigel_Foremain said:
That has to be one of the best unintentionally funny posts I have ever seen!TOPPING said:
"Once again Leadsom is thoroughly sound."Luckyguy1983 said:
He's an odious little twerp. Once again Leadsom is thoroughly sound. The extent to which she's attacked by remainers is a measure of how afraid they are of her. See also Rees Mogg.grabcocque said:
A good Speaker stands up for the rights of Parliament against an overbearing and overmighty executive.kle4 said:
That's yes then. Bercow is without balance at the moment, he's losing it.El_Capitano said:
Depends on the Speaker AIUI.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1072467238630887424
He can't can he?
Thus, if the government is pissed off with them, it's a sign they are doing their job properly.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/conservative-party/news/100503/andrea-leadsom-questions-commons-speaker
QED.
(Incidentally I think we can add the rights and responsibilities of the Speaker's Chair to the bumper book of Things Mrs Leadsom Does Not Understand).
ha haha hahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
That I am a member of the same party as these utter, utter arseholes is a cause of significant concern.
Mind as an ex Lib Dem I would/couldn't gloat.0 -
This could finally do for her. NOVC can happen in recess. They must strike now.
https://twitter.com/dansabbagh/status/10725034384188293120 -
TBF, the fiscal compact makes allowances for occasionally going over, especially in response to serious and unexpected events, it's serious and persistent violations of the rules that matter.Alanbrooke said:France admits it will struggle to meet 2019 budget target, EU says not to worry we'll look at it next year.
So thats alright then.
http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-france/2018/12/11/01016-20181211LIVWWW00017-en-direct-gilets-jaunes-emmanuel-macron-annonces-smic-pouvoir-achat-retraites-edouard-philippe.php
So it's not surprising the Commission will show France a measure of forbearance.0 -
She will now go back and try to sell the exact same deal to MPs which has already been widely rejected, of course with the same result. Then she'll go back to the EU once again to try and renegotiate even though they've told her they won't.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Cocque, ha, I know you're being silly, but it's still remarkable that May's going through with this charade given *everyone* saw this coming. Daft woman.
She is stuck in an endless and pointless loop.0 -
Looking into my crystal ball.
I’d now be betting on Mrs May going in 2018 and replaced by Gove in a coronation and a full blown leadership contest in the summer of 2019.
Totally unrelated I enjoyed my visit to Westminster today.0 -
have you met the Healey Raes ?Beverley_C said:
Nobody in govt at any rate - or so they tell us. It is why they are unsuitable to govern.grabcocque said:
#BREAKING: 'No way to change' Brexit deal, says Merkel after May visit #Brexit @AFP
LITERALLY NOBODY SAW THIS ONE COMING, RIGHT?
Corbyn is also unsuitable, but for different reasons and Uncle Vince is busy with a prolonged nap....
Andrew Lillico is right - we might as well join Le Grand Projet and hope that their politicians are better than ours.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Healy-Rae0 -
I think she'll stand and win. Perhaps we shall see quite shortly!Richard_Nabavi said:
Tricky market: Will a No Confidence vote on Theresa May's leadership of the Conservative Party take place in 2018? The market will be settled once the vote has officially taken place.Tissue_Price said:
A 2018 no con vote is now odds-on, quite possibly in response to these very tweets.AlastairMeeks said:
Possibly done in by Remainers:Scott_P said:
https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1072520814745083916
https://www.betfair.com/exchange/plus/politics/market/1.151481378
If Theresa May stands down as leader after the no confidence vote is triggered but before the actual vote takes place then No will be settled as the winner0 -
We are on the same page yet again. I think the only reason I maintain my membership is because it is on a DD (that's direct debit, not David Davis) ! If I had to physically write the cheque I would probably have second thoughtstottenhamWC said:
+1TOPPING said:
Thing is, these are the people we are dealing with: Leadsom, Baker, Jenkyns, Francois, Bridgen. They seem the dimmest, nastiest ones. Then we have the clowns: JRM, Boris, Raab.Nigel_Foremain said:
That has to be one of the best unintentionally funny posts I have ever seen!TOPPING said:
"Once again Leadsom is thoroughly sound."Luckyguy1983 said:
He's an odious little twerp. Once again Leadsom is thoroughly sound. The extent to which she's attacked by remainers is a measure of how afraid they are of her. See also Rees Mogg.grabcocque said:
A good Speaker stands up for the rights of Parliament against an overbearing and overmighty executive.kle4 said:
That's yes then. Bercow is without balance at the moment, he's losing it.El_Capitano said:
Depends on the Speaker AIUI.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1072467238630887424
He can't can he?
Thus, if the government is pissed off with them, it's a sign they are doing their job properly.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/conservative-party/news/100503/andrea-leadsom-questions-commons-speaker
QED.
(Incidentally I think we can add the rights and responsibilities of the Speaker's Chair to the bumper book of Things Mrs Leadsom Does Not Understand).
ha haha hahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
That I am a member of the same party as these utter, utter arseholes is a cause of significant concern.0 -
Gove as PM but not Conservative leader?TheScreamingEagles said:Looking into my crystal ball.
I’d now be betting on Mrs May going in 2018 and replaced by Gove in a coronation and a full blown leadership contest in the summer of 2019.
Totally unrelated I enjoyed my visit to Westminster today.0 -
Somebody should try upgrading the Maybot's firmware.Xenon said:
She will now go back and try to sell the exact same deal to MPs which has already been widely rejected, of course with the same result. Then she'll go back to the EU once again to try and renegotiate even though they've told her they won't.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Cocque, ha, I know you're being silly, but it's still remarkable that May's going through with this charade given *everyone* saw this coming. Daft woman.
She is stuck in an endless and pointless loop.0 -
That evil old intransigent despotic EU eh?Alanbrooke said:France admits it will struggle to meet 2019 budget target, EU says not to worry we'll look at it next year.
So thats alright then.
http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-france/2018/12/11/01016-20181211LIVWWW00017-en-direct-gilets-jaunes-emmanuel-macron-annonces-smic-pouvoir-achat-retraites-edouard-philippe.php0 -
Definitely PM, maybe Con Leader on the assurance that he stands down and contests a proper leadership contest.Tissue_Price said:
Gove as PM but not Conservative leader?TheScreamingEagles said:Looking into my crystal ball.
I’d now be betting on Mrs May going in 2018 and replaced by Gove in a coronation and a full blown leadership contest in the summer of 2019.
Totally unrelated I enjoyed my visit to Westminster today.0 -
If it's gonna happen they need to get it out of the way before Christmas.rottenborough said:This could finally do for her. NOVC can happen in recess. They must strike now.
https://twitter.com/dansabbagh/status/1072503438418829312
WHAT THE HELL IS TAKING SO LONG?0 -
Nicky Morgan: "Maybe it's the time for a government of national unity."0
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Now is not the time for second thoughts, we can't leave the next leadership selection to the loons to decide.Nigel_Foremain said:
We are on the same page yet again. I think the only reason I maintain my membership is because it is on a DD (that's direct debit, not David Davis) ! If I had to physically write the cheque I would probably have second thoughtstottenhamWC said:
+1TOPPING said:
Thing is, these are the people we are dealing with: Leadsom, Baker, Jenkyns, Francois, Bridgen. They seem the dimmest, nastiest ones. Then we have the clowns: JRM, Boris, Raab.Nigel_Foremain said:
That has to be one of the best unintentionally funny posts I have ever seen!TOPPING said:
"Once again Leadsom is thoroughly sound."Luckyguy1983 said:
He's an odious little twerp. Once again Leadsom is thoroughly sound. The extent to which she's attacked by remainers is a measure of how afraid they are of her. See also Rees Mogg.grabcocque said:
A good Speaker stands up for the rights of Parliament against an overbearing and overmighty executive.kle4 said:
That's yes then. Bercow is without balance at the moment, he's losing it.El_Capitano said:
Depends on the Speaker AIUI.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1072467238630887424
He can't can he?
Thus, if the government is pissed off with them, it's a sign they are doing their job properly.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/conservative-party/news/100503/andrea-leadsom-questions-commons-speaker
QED.
(Incidentally I think we can add the rights and responsibilities of the Speaker's Chair to the bumper book of Things Mrs Leadsom Does Not Understand).
ha haha hahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
That I am a member of the same party as these utter, utter arseholes is a cause of significant concern.0 -
Of course not. It's a complete and utter surprise to nobody at all.grabcocque said:
#BREAKING: 'No way to change' Brexit deal, says Merkel after May visit #Brexit @AFP
LITERALLY NOBODY SAW THIS ONE COMING, RIGHT?0 -
She's running the clock down.Xenon said:
She will now go back and try to sell the exact same deal to MPs which has already been widely rejected, of course with the same result. Then she'll go back to the EU once again to try and renegotiate even though they've told her they won't.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Cocque, ha, I know you're being silly, but it's still remarkable that May's going through with this charade given *everyone* saw this coming. Daft woman.
She is stuck in an endless and pointless loop.
She hopes to get to the point where there is no time left for anything but her deal or no deal, and expects the stubborn MPs to cave in then.
That's the Plan, if you can call it that, but as you and I know, in reality there is no f in Plan.0 -
The last two years have shown us that Raab, Johnson and Hannan have not the first clue how the EU works. They are ignorant, self-serving, malicious and damaging. At least Gove has tried to do something worthwhile at DEFRA. The rest of them are a useless waste of space.Fenster said:
I'd argue there is an ocean of intellectual water separating boorish right wingers like Bridgen and (Andrea) Jenkyns from the likes of Raab and Johnson. At least Raab, Johnson, Gove and Hannan have made attempts to understand the EU and formulate a plan for a UK outside of the EU. Bridgen, Jenkyns and co seem not to have moved beyond 'Fuck the Frogs and Krauts'.TheScreamingEagles said:
Testify.TOPPING said:
Thing is, these are the people we are dealing with: Leadsom, Baker, Jenkyns, Francois, Bridgen. They seem the dimmest, nastiest ones. Then we have the clowns: JRM, Boris, Raab.Nigel_Foremain said:
That has to be one of the best unintentionally funny posts I have ever seen!TOPPING said:
"Once again Leadsom is thoroughly sound."Luckyguy1983 said:
He's an odious little twerp. Once again Leadsom is thoroughly sound. The extent to which she's attacked by remainers is a measure of how afraid they are of her. See also Rees Mogg.grabcocque said:
A good Speaker stands up for the rights of Parliament against an overbearing and overmighty executive.kle4 said:
That's yes then. Bercow is without balance at the moment, he's losing it.El_Capitano said:
Depends on the Speaker AIUI.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1072467238630887424
He can't can he?
Thus, if the government is pissed off with them, it's a sign they are doing their job properly.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/conservative-party/news/100503/andrea-leadsom-questions-commons-speaker
QED.
(Incidentally I think we can add the rights and responsibilities of the Speaker's Chair to the bumper book of Things Mrs Leadsom Does Not Understand).
ha haha hahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
That I am a member of the same party as these utter, utter arseholes is a cause of significant concern.
This is why I'm positively tumescent at the prospect of No Deal, it'll destroy the credibility of the ERG and their hangers on forever, they are the modern day appeasers.
Short term pain for long term gain I say.
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Indeed. It is the real reason I do not terminate the ddRichard_Nabavi said:
Now is not the time for second thoughts, we can't leave the next leadership selection to the loons to decide.Nigel_Foremain said:
We are on the same page yet again. I think the only reason I maintain my membership is because it is on a DD (that's direct debit, not David Davis) ! If I had to physically write the cheque I would probably have second thoughtstottenhamWC said:
+1TOPPING said:
Thing is, these are the people we are dealing with: Leadsom, Baker, Jenkyns, Francois, Bridgen. They seem the dimmest, nastiest ones. Then we have the clowns: JRM, Boris, Raab.Nigel_Foremain said:
That has to be one of the best unintentionally funny posts I have ever seen!TOPPING said:
"Once again Leadsom is thoroughly sound."Luckyguy1983 said:
He's an odious little twerp. Once again Leadsom is thoroughly sound. The extent to which she's attacked by remainers is a measure of how afraid they are of her. See also Rees Mogg.grabcocque said:
A good Speaker stands up for the rights of Parliament against an overbearing and overmighty executive.kle4 said:
That's yes then. Bercow is without balance at the moment, he's losing it.El_Capitano said:
Depends on the Speaker AIUI.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1072467238630887424
He can't can he?
Thus, if the government is pissed off with them, it's a sign they are doing their job properly.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/conservative-party/news/100503/andrea-leadsom-questions-commons-speaker
QED.
(Incidentally I think we can add the rights and responsibilities of the Speaker's Chair to the bumper book of Things Mrs Leadsom Does Not Understand).
ha haha hahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
That I am a member of the same party as these utter, utter arseholes is a cause of significant concern.0 -
You mean Conservative MPs?Richard_Nabavi said:
Now is not the time for second thoughts, we can't leave the next leadership selection to the loons to decide.
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Worked out ok so far...Donny43 said:
Expecting that we can be permanently half in, with opt outs of the bits we don't like, just causing trouble for everyone else is ultimate cakeism.Slackbladder said:
lets not...Donny43 said:
It's an absolutely logical conclusion to draw: if we've been dragged so far in that we can't leave, then let's just be properly in.grabcocque said:
Of course Lilico is an arch-federalist now.williamglenn said:
https://twitter.com/andrew_lilico/status/1064827316138852352Sean_F said:Try Andrew Lilico's twitter feed.
OF COURSE HE IS.0 -
Given that the backstop allows the EU to use access to the UK market in its trade deals, I have no faith that they will "want to move on from it as soon as possible".TOPPING said:
Yes I understand that. I understand the objection but it is not seeing the wood for the trees. It is in everyone's best interest to conclude an FTA as soon as possible. For the EU because they think we are cherry-picking and for us because of, well, the backstop which irritates some folk.Donny43 said:
The problem is that the WA is supposed to be temporary but the backstop is permanent.TOPPING said:
Many sane Tory MPs (yes there still are some) are at their wits' end trying to point out to their colleagues just this. The WA is the WA. Different from any future FTA.Cyclefree said:
All those MPs of others demanding this, that and the other and clearly not understanding the difference between a transitional agreement and the permanent FTA between the UK and the EU should listen to the German MEP interviewed on today's WATO. He puts many of our legislators to shame.Scott_P said:
But it is a staging post which all sides want to move on from as soon as possible.
The Cons MP Brexiters are not even clever enough to understand that the EU dislikes the deal that the UK has got intensely.
Plus, of course, as I have pointed out a zillion times, there simply cannot not be a backstop so it's just as well that it will be redundant in a year or two or three.0 -
Hey, Beverley, don't worry! Me and my squad of ultimate Brexiteers will protect you! Check it out. Independently targeting particle-beam phalanx. WHAP! Fry half a city with this puppy. We got tactical smart missiles, phase plasma pulse rifles, RPGs. We got sonic, electronic ball-breakers! We got nukes, we got knives, sharp sticks...Beverley_C said:
At least we know how to make tea...Alanbrooke said:
women eh ?Beverley_C said:
"According to a former colleague who admitted to not knowing her personally, "the t Officer, which included negotiating pay terms for senior fund managers. Towards the end of her time, she advised on a number of governance issues, but she had no-one reporting to her in either role"Luckyguy1983 said:
What does that have to do with anything?TOPPING said:
Afraid of Leadsom? Wasn't she senior partner of Goldman Sachs?Luckyguy1983 said:
Case in point.TOPPING said:
"Once again Leadsom is thoroughly sound."Luckyguy1983 said:
He's an odious little twerp. Once again Leadsom is thoroughly sound. The extent to which she's attacked by remainers is a measure of how afraid they are of her. See also Rees Mogg.grabcocque said:
A good Speaker stands up for the rights of Parliament against an overbearing and overmighty executive.kle4 said:
That's yes then. Bercow is without balance at the moment, he's losing it.El_Capitano said:
Depends on the Speaker AIUI.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1072467238630887424
He can't can he?
Thus, if the government is pissed off with them, it's a sign they are doing their job properly.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/conservative-party/news/100503/andrea-leadsom-questions-commons-speaker
QED.
(Incidentally I think we can add the rights and responsibilities of the Speaker's Chair to the bumper book of Things Mrs Leadsom Does Not Understand).
ha haha hahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea_Leadsom#Financial_career
really they should stick to making the tea.
( picture of a seal )
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"Rules based organisation".Nigel_Foremain said:
That evil old intransigent despotic EU eh?Alanbrooke said:France admits it will struggle to meet 2019 budget target, EU says not to worry we'll look at it next year.
So thats alright then.
http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-france/2018/12/11/01016-20181211LIVWWW00017-en-direct-gilets-jaunes-emmanuel-macron-annonces-smic-pouvoir-achat-retraites-edouard-philippe.php0 -
We're going to end up with the leadership of both main parties decided on the Buggins' Turn system, after the ERGers roll dice to decide which nutter stands.Richard_Nabavi said:
Now is not the time for second thoughts, we can't leave the next leadership selection to the loons to decide.
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She's just planning to spend the next month and a half ping-ponging between Brussels, Berlin, Paris and Dublin, to polite rebuffs until 21st January comes around?Peter_the_Punter said:
She's running the clock down.Xenon said:
She will now go back and try to sell the exact same deal to MPs which has already been widely rejected, of course with the same result. Then she'll go back to the EU once again to try and renegotiate even though they've told her they won't.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Cocque, ha, I know you're being silly, but it's still remarkable that May's going through with this charade given *everyone* saw this coming. Daft woman.
She is stuck in an endless and pointless loop.
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In a hung parliament it's difficult to see how a leadership election could be allowed to go to the membership.Richard_Nabavi said:
Now is not the time for second thoughts, we can't leave the next leadership selection to the loons to decide.Nigel_Foremain said:
We are on the same page yet again. I think the only reason I maintain my membership is because it is on a DD (that's direct debit, not David Davis) ! If I had to physically write the cheque I would probably have second thoughtstottenhamWC said:
+1TOPPING said:
Thing is, these are the people we are dealing with: Leadsom, Baker, Jenkyns, Francois, Bridgen. They seem the dimmest, nastiest ones. Then we have the clowns: JRM, Boris, Raab.Nigel_Foremain said:
That has to be one of the best unintentionally funny posts I have ever seen!TOPPING said:
"Once again Leadsom is thoroughly sound."Luckyguy1983 said:
He's an odious little twerp. Once again Leadsom is thoroughly sound. The extent to which she's attacked by remainers is a measure of how afraid they are of her. See also Rees Mogg.grabcocque said:
A good Speaker stands up for the rights of Parliament against an overbearing and overmighty executive.kle4 said:
That's yes then. Bercow is without balance at the moment, he's losing it.El_Capitano said:
Depends on the Speaker AIUI.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1072467238630887424
He can't can he?
Thus, if the government is pissed off with them, it's a sign they are doing their job properly.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/conservative-party/news/100503/andrea-leadsom-questions-commons-speaker
QED.
(Incidentally I think we can add the rights and responsibilities of the Speaker's Chair to the bumper book of Things Mrs Leadsom Does Not Understand).
ha haha hahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
That I am a member of the same party as these utter, utter arseholes is a cause of significant concern.0 -
I quite like Gove but he is hugely unpopular with the voters.TheScreamingEagles said:Looking into my crystal ball.
I’d now be betting on Mrs May going in 2018 and replaced by Gove in a coronation and a full blown leadership contest in the summer of 2019.
Totally unrelated I enjoyed my visit to Westminster today.0 -
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"The code is more what you'd call "guidelines" than actual rules."Donny43 said:
"Rules based organisation".Nigel_Foremain said:
That evil old intransigent despotic EU eh?Alanbrooke said:France admits it will struggle to meet 2019 budget target, EU says not to worry we'll look at it next year.
So thats alright then.
http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-france/2018/12/11/01016-20181211LIVWWW00017-en-direct-gilets-jaunes-emmanuel-macron-annonces-smic-pouvoir-achat-retraites-edouard-philippe.php0 -
Yes. I hope the 1922 committee has had enough foresight to put plans in place to ensure Boris comes to an unfortunate accident should disaster befall the Tories and he make it through to the final two.Donny43 said:
In a hung parliament it's difficult to see how a leadership election could be allowed to go to the membership.
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