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  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,389

    Pulpstar said:

    Scott_P said:
    Sneak preview of the forthcoming (maybe) SNP-Labour Gov't.
    Yes, the 'progressive alliance' if it comes will be very funny.
    Labour could easily lose 6 Scottish seats in a snap election. And, the SNP could easily lose a shed load of seats in the other direction.
  • Oort said:

    SeanT said:

    I had to give my smart, lefty young wife Jung Chang's Wild Swans to read, to make her grasp the total and evil failure of communism. She said she had no idea, she thinks the book has changed her worldview, she is sharing it with her friends, who are all equally stunned. Seriously. It is a revelation to them.

    They should put that book on the bloody National Curriculum.

    Things would have gone no better in Russia or China had the Whites or Kuomintang won the respective civil wars.

    Oort seems to be "Clouded" by his worldview!
  • TOPPING said:

    kle4 said:

    Depends on the Speaker AIUI.
    That's yes then. Bercow is without balance at the moment, he's losing it.

    A good Speaker stands up for the rights of Parliament against an overbearing and overmighty executive.

    Thus, if the government is pissed off with them, it's a sign they are doing their job properly.

    https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/conservative-party/news/100503/andrea-leadsom-questions-commons-speaker

    QED.

    (Incidentally I think we can add the rights and responsibilities of the Speaker's Chair to the bumper book of Things Mrs Leadsom Does Not Understand).

    He's an odious little twerp. Once again Leadsom is thoroughly sound. The extent to which she's attacked by remainers is a measure of how afraid they are of her. See also Rees Mogg.
    "Once again Leadsom is thoroughly sound."

    ha haha hahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
    That has to be one of the best unintentionally funny posts I have ever seen!
  • Donny43Donny43 Posts: 634

    Donny43 said:

    A disorderly hard Brexit could see the loss of 100,000 jobs in Scotland, the country’s main economics thinktank, the Fraser of Allander Institute, has forecast.

    Citing the Bank of England’s worst case scenario that the economy would shrink by 8.9% after Brexit, the institute, based at the University of Strathclyde, said that would reverse recent steady growth in Scotland’s economy, now growing at a faster rate than the UK as a whole.

    It would have twice the impact on the Scottish economy than the 2008 financial crash, which saw tens of thousands of jobs cut in the finance sector and other industries.


    Odd, then, that the SNP are risking a No Deal crash out by not supporting the EU's deal.

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2018/dec/11/brexit-deal-latest-theresa-may-eu-juncker-tells-may-deal-could-be-clarified-but-no-room-whatsoever-for-renegotiation-politics-live

    15:14

    "could".
    Great word that. You can disbelieve everything you read since "could" means that the author is admitting it is all rubbish ...
    Especially given it relies on the BoE "worst case" scenario which requires, amongst other things, the government to take no mitigating actions.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992

    TOPPING said:

    kle4 said:

    Depends on the Speaker AIUI.
    That's yes then. Bercow is without balance at the moment, he's losing it.

    A good Speaker stands up for the rights of Parliament against an overbearing and overmighty executive.

    Thus, if the government is pissed off with them, it's a sign they are doing their job properly.

    https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/conservative-party/news/100503/andrea-leadsom-questions-commons-speaker

    QED.

    (Incidentally I think we can add the rights and responsibilities of the Speaker's Chair to the bumper book of Things Mrs Leadsom Does Not Understand).

    He's an odious little twerp. Once again Leadsom is thoroughly sound. The extent to which she's attacked by remainers is a measure of how afraid they are of her. See also Rees Mogg.
    "Once again Leadsom is thoroughly sound."

    ha haha hahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
    That has to be one of the best unintentionally funny posts I have ever seen!
    Thing is, these are the people we are dealing with: Leadsom, Baker, Jenkyns, Francois, Bridgen. They seem the dimmest, nastiest ones. Then we have the clowns: JRM, Boris, Raab.

    That I am a member of the same party as these utter, utter arseholes is a cause of significant concern.
  • Donny43Donny43 Posts: 634

    Oort said:

    SeanT said:

    I had to give my smart, lefty young wife Jung Chang's Wild Swans to read, to make her grasp the total and evil failure of communism. She said she had no idea, she thinks the book has changed her worldview, she is sharing it with her friends, who are all equally stunned. Seriously. It is a revelation to them.

    They should put that book on the bloody National Curriculum.

    Things would have gone no better in Russia or China had the Whites or Kuomintang won the respective civil wars.

    Oort seems to be "Clouded" by his worldview!
    Nice.
  • XenonXenon Posts: 471
    Scott_P said:
    Not that the Germans are in charge or anything.
  • Scott_P said:
    Talking his own book there, he's already put a letter calling for a vote of no confidence in.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,318
    Scott_P said:
    All those MPs of others demanding this, that and the other and clearly not understanding the difference between a transitional agreement and the permanent FTA between the UK and the EU should listen to the German MEP interviewed on today's WATO. He puts many of our legislators to shame.
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992
    Cyclefree said:

    Scott_P said:
    All those MPs of others demanding this, that and the other and clearly not understanding the difference between a transitional agreement and the permanent FTA between the UK and the EU should listen to the German MEP interviewed on today's WATO. He puts many of our legislators to shame.
    Many sane Tory MPs (yes there still are some) are at their wits' end trying to point out to their colleagues just this. The WA is the WA. Different from any future FTA.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,413

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    kle4 said:

    Depends on the Speaker AIUI.
    That's yes then. Bercow is without balance at the moment, he's losing it.

    A good Speaker stands up for the rights of Parliament against an overbearing and overmighty executive.

    Thus, if the government is pissed off with them, it's a sign they are doing their job properly.

    https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/conservative-party/news/100503/andrea-leadsom-questions-commons-speaker

    QED.

    (Incidentally I think we can add the rights and responsibilities of the Speaker's Chair to the bumper book of Things Mrs Leadsom Does Not Understand).

    He's an odious little twerp. Once again Leadsom is thoroughly sound. The extent to which she's attacked by remainers is a measure of how afraid they are of her. See also Rees Mogg.
    "Once again Leadsom is thoroughly sound."

    ha haha hahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
    Case in point.
    Afraid of Leadsom? Wasn't she senior partner of Goldman Sachs?
    What does that have to do with anything?
    "According to a former colleague who admitted to not knowing her personally, "the problem about these claims[clarification needed] is that they risk misleading people into believing that she has finance management skills and experience which qualify her for senior posts in government"; her actual job was to work (sometimes part-time) on “special projects”, mostly for the Chief Investment Officer, which included negotiating pay terms for senior fund managers. Towards the end of her time, she advised on a number of governance issues, but she had no-one reporting to her in either role"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea_Leadsom#Financial_career
    women eh ?

    really they should stick to making the tea.

    ( picture of a seal )
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 22,042

    Crossrail...

    Must have Crossrail...

    Well if you have a couple of billion to lend them, job done!
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,700
    edited December 2018
    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    kle4 said:

    Depends on the Speaker AIUI.
    That's yes then. Bercow is without balance at the moment, he's losing it.

    A good Speaker stands up for the rights of Parliament against an overbearing and overmighty executive.

    Thus, if the government is pissed off with them, it's a sign they are doing their job properly.

    https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/conservative-party/news/100503/andrea-leadsom-questions-commons-speaker

    QED.

    (Incidentally I think we can add the rights and responsibilities of the Speaker's Chair to the bumper book of Things Mrs Leadsom Does Not Understand).

    He's an odious little twerp. Once again Leadsom is thoroughly sound. The extent to which she's attacked by remainers is a measure of how afraid they are of her. See also Rees Mogg.
    "Once again Leadsom is thoroughly sound."

    ha haha hahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
    That has to be one of the best unintentionally funny posts I have ever seen!
    Thing is, these are the people we are dealing with: Leadsom, Baker, Jenkyns, Francois, Bridgen. They seem the dimmest, nastiest ones. Then we have the clowns: JRM, Boris, Raab.

    That I am a member of the same party as these utter, utter arseholes is a cause of significant concern.
    Testify.

    This is why I'm positively tumescent at the prospect of No Deal, it'll destroy the credibility of the ERG and their hangers on forever, they are the modern day appeasers.

    Short term pain for long term gain I say.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,389
    edited December 2018
    TOPPING said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Scott_P said:
    All those MPs of others demanding this, that and the other and clearly not understanding the difference between a transitional agreement and the permanent FTA between the UK and the EU should listen to the German MEP interviewed on today's WATO. He puts many of our legislators to shame.
    Many sane Tory MPs (yes there still are some) are at their wits' end trying to point out to their colleagues just this. The WA is the WA. Different from any future FTA.
    I don't know if people who can't make the distinction are just being dishonest, or if they just don't understand the distinction.
  • grabcocquegrabcocque Posts: 4,234
    How is May's displacement exercise in unprecedented futility going on?
  • How is May's displacement exercise in unprecedented futility going on?

    How are you going to get the EU to renegotiate the Deal?
  • Donny43Donny43 Posts: 634
    TOPPING said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Scott_P said:
    All those MPs of others demanding this, that and the other and clearly not understanding the difference between a transitional agreement and the permanent FTA between the UK and the EU should listen to the German MEP interviewed on today's WATO. He puts many of our legislators to shame.
    Many sane Tory MPs (yes there still are some) are at their wits' end trying to point out to their colleagues just this. The WA is the WA. Different from any future FTA.
    The problem is that the WA is supposed to be temporary but the backstop is permanent.
  • Crossrail...

    Must have Crossrail...

    Well if you have a couple of billion to lend them, job done!
    Um, my excuse is that I've been on, ah, "trainspotting leave" for the last three months :)
  • grabcocquegrabcocque Posts: 4,234
    Sean_F said:

    TOPPING said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Scott_P said:
    All those MPs of others demanding this, that and the other and clearly not understanding the difference between a transitional agreement and the permanent FTA between the UK and the EU should listen to the German MEP interviewed on today's WATO. He puts many of our legislators to shame.
    Many sane Tory MPs (yes there still are some) are at their wits' end trying to point out to their colleagues just this. The WA is the WA. Different from any future FTA.
    I don't know if people who can't make the distinction are just being dishonest, if they just don't understand the distinction.
    There was a long Twitter thread yesterday, detailing Dan Hannan's persistent confusion between *a* single market, *the* single market, the EEA, EFTA, the common market, a free trade area, and a free trade agreement.

    He seems to use all these terms so fungibly, so often, that we can only assume that he literally has no real idea what any of them mean, or how they differ from each other.

    The great intellectual of the Brexit project, appears to understand as much about global trade as the average house brick.
  • grabcocquegrabcocque Posts: 4,234

    How is May's displacement exercise in unprecedented futility going on?

    How are you going to get the EU to renegotiate the Deal?
    Free owls.
  • TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    kle4 said:

    Depends on the Speaker AIUI.
    That's yes then. Bercow is without balance at the moment, he's losing it.

    A good Speaker stands up for the rights of Parliament against an overbearing and overmighty executive.

    Thus, if the government is pissed off with them, it's a sign they are doing their job properly.

    https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/conservative-party/news/100503/andrea-leadsom-questions-commons-speaker

    QED.

    (Incidentally I think we can add the rights and responsibilities of the Speaker's Chair to the bumper book of Things Mrs Leadsom Does Not Understand).

    He's an odious little twerp. Once again Leadsom is thoroughly sound. The extent to which she's attacked by remainers is a measure of how afraid they are of her. See also Rees Mogg.
    "Once again Leadsom is thoroughly sound."

    ha haha hahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
    That has to be one of the best unintentionally funny posts I have ever seen!
    Thing is, these are the people we are dealing with: Leadsom, Baker, Jenkyns, Francois, Bridgen. They seem the dimmest, nastiest ones. Then we have the clowns: JRM, Boris, Raab.

    That I am a member of the same party as these utter, utter arseholes is a cause of significant concern.
    +1
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,389

    Sean_F said:

    TOPPING said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Scott_P said:
    All those MPs of others demanding this, that and the other and clearly not understanding the difference between a transitional agreement and the permanent FTA between the UK and the EU should listen to the German MEP interviewed on today's WATO. He puts many of our legislators to shame.
    Many sane Tory MPs (yes there still are some) are at their wits' end trying to point out to their colleagues just this. The WA is the WA. Different from any future FTA.
    I don't know if people who can't make the distinction are just being dishonest, if they just don't understand the distinction.
    There was a long Twitter thread yesterday, detailing Dan Hannan's persistent confusion between *a* single market, *the* single market, the EEA, EFTA, the common market, a free trade area, and a free trade agreement.

    He seems to use all these terms so fungibly, so often, that we can only assume that he literally has no real idea what any of them mean, or how they differ from each other.

    The great intellectual of the Brexit project, appears to understand as much about global trade as the average house brick.
    Try Andrew Lilico's twitter feed.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,504

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    kle4 said:

    Depends on the Speaker AIUI.
    That's yes then. Bercow is without balance at the moment, he's losing it.

    A good Speaker stands up for the rights of Parliament against an overbearing and overmighty executive.

    Thus, if the government is pissed off with them, it's a sign they are doing their job properly.

    https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/conservative-party/news/100503/andrea-leadsom-questions-commons-speaker

    QED.

    (Incidentally I think we can add the rights and responsibilities of the Speaker's Chair to the bumper book of Things Mrs Leadsom Does Not Understand).

    He's an odious little twerp. Once again Leadsom is thoroughly sound. The extent to which she's attacked by remainers is a measure of how afraid they are of her. See also Rees Mogg.
    "Once again Leadsom is thoroughly sound."

    ha haha hahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
    That has to be one of the best unintentionally funny posts I have ever seen!
    Thing is, these are the people we are dealing with: Leadsom, Baker, Jenkyns, Francois, Bridgen. They seem the dimmest, nastiest ones. Then we have the clowns: JRM, Boris, Raab.

    That I am a member of the same party as these utter, utter arseholes is a cause of significant concern.
    +1
    It's by no means your fault; what is worrying is that they've got to the top of it.
  • TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    kle4 said:

    Depends on the Speaker AIUI.
    That's yes then. Bercow is without balance at the moment, he's losing it.

    A good Speaker stands up for the rights of Parliament against an overbearing and overmighty executive.

    Thus, if the government is pissed off with them, it's a sign they are doing their job properly.

    https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/conservative-party/news/100503/andrea-leadsom-questions-commons-speaker

    QED.

    (Incidentally I think we can add the rights and responsibilities of the Speaker's Chair to the bumper book of Things Mrs Leadsom Does Not Understand).

    He's an odious little twerp. Once again Leadsom is thoroughly sound. The extent to which she's attacked by remainers is a measure of how afraid they are of her. See also Rees Mogg.
    "Once again Leadsom is thoroughly sound."

    ha haha hahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
    That has to be one of the best unintentionally funny posts I have ever seen!
    Thing is, these are the people we are dealing with: Leadsom, Baker, Jenkyns, Francois, Bridgen. They seem the dimmest, nastiest ones. Then we have the clowns: JRM, Boris, Raab.

    That I am a member of the same party as these utter, utter arseholes is a cause of significant concern.
    +1
    It's by no means your fault; what is worrying is that they've got to the top of it.
    They haven't, you're thinking of the Labour Party.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,504

    How is May's displacement exercise in unprecedented futility going on?

    How are you going to get the EU to renegotiate the Deal?
    Free owls.
    And if hey've got enough owls? Going to try unicorns?
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,389
    https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/ov1j5vfvv6/QMUL_London_December18_Website.pdf

    Labour leads 49% to 33% in London voting intention.

    The Conservatives would probably regain Battersea and Kensington on those numbers.
  • grabcocquegrabcocque Posts: 4,234

    #BREAKING: 'No way to change' Brexit deal, says Merkel after May visit #Brexit @AFP

    LITERALLY NOBODY SAW THIS ONE COMING, RIGHT?
  • grabcocquegrabcocque Posts: 4,234

    How is May's displacement exercise in unprecedented futility going on?

    How are you going to get the EU to renegotiate the Deal?
    Free owls.
    And if hey've got enough owls? Going to try unicorns?
    Sir, I challenge this ridiculous assertion that it is possible to have enough owls.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,504

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    kle4 said:

    Depends on the Speaker AIUI.
    That's yes then. Bercow is without balance at the moment, he's losing it.

    A good Speaker stands up for the rights of Parliament against an overbearing and overmighty executive.

    Thus, if the government is pissed off with them, it's a sign they are doing their job properly.

    https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/conservative-party/news/100503/andrea-leadsom-questions-commons-speaker

    QED.

    (Incidentally I think we can add the rights and responsibilities of the Speaker's Chair to the bumper book of Things Mrs Leadsom Does Not Understand).

    He's an odious little twerp. Once again Leadsom is thoroughly sound. The extent to which she's attacked by remainers is a measure of how afraid they are of her. See also Rees Mogg.
    "Once again Leadsom is thoroughly sound."

    ha haha hahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
    That has to be one of the best unintentionally funny posts I have ever seen!
    Thing is, these are the people we are dealing with: Leadsom, Baker, Jenkyns, Francois, Bridgen. They seem the dimmest, nastiest ones. Then we have the clowns: JRM, Boris, Raab.

    That I am a member of the same party as these utter, utter arseholes is a cause of significant concern.
    +1
    It's by no means your fault; what is worrying is that they've got to the top of it.
    They haven't, you're thinking of the Labour Party.
    Topping and the man from Spurs are Labour?

    Mind as an ex Lib Dem I would/couldn't gloat.

  • Mr. Cocque, ha, I know you're being silly, but it's still remarkable that May's going through with this charade given *everyone* saw this coming. Daft woman.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,504

    How is May's displacement exercise in unprecedented futility going on?

    How are you going to get the EU to renegotiate the Deal?
    Free owls.
    And if hey've got enough owls? Going to try unicorns?
    Sir, I challenge this ridiculous assertion that it is possible to have enough owls.
    What's that country & western number which includes the line 'girl too pretty, car too fast'!
  • grabcocquegrabcocque Posts: 4,234
    Of course Lilico is an arch-federalist now.

    OF COURSE HE IS.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,389
    That's one of his more lucid tweets.
  • Donny43Donny43 Posts: 634
    Scott_P said:
    PM returns from a trip abroad: "I have in my hand a letter from the Chairman of the 1922 Committee..."
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,413
    edited December 2018
    Manny Antoinette's offer of some cake not impressing the french

    59% think his proposals wont work
    54% think the gilets jaunes should keep protesting

    http://www.lefigaro.fr/politique/le-scan/2018/12/11/25001-20181211ARTFIG00094-macron-n-a-pas-seduit-une-majorite-des-francais-mais-le-soutien-aux-gilets-jaunes-s-effrite.php
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256


    #BREAKING: 'No way to change' Brexit deal, says Merkel after May visit #Brexit @AFP

    LITERALLY NOBODY SAW THIS ONE COMING, RIGHT?

    Nobody in govt at any rate - or so they tell us. It is why they are unsuitable to govern.

    Corbyn is also unsuitable, but for different reasons and Uncle Vince is busy with a prolonged nap....

    Andrew Lillico is right - we might as well join Le Grand Projet and hope that their politicians are better than ours.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,220
    Lol @ Nadine's speech.
  • Donny43Donny43 Posts: 634

    Of course Lilico is an arch-federalist now.

    OF COURSE HE IS.
    It's an absolutely logical conclusion to draw: if we've been dragged so far in that we can't leave, then let's just be properly in.
  • grabcocquegrabcocque Posts: 4,234
    edited December 2018
    Realise that Brady may already have the letters, but won't announce it whilst May is out-of-office on her futility tour, which means he probably won't announce till Friday and she's back from EUCO.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,389


    #BREAKING: 'No way to change' Brexit deal, says Merkel after May visit #Brexit @AFP

    LITERALLY NOBODY SAW THIS ONE COMING, RIGHT?

    Nobody in govt at any rate - or so they tell us. It is why they are unsuitable to govern.

    Corbyn is also unsuitable, but for different reasons and Uncle Vince is busy with a prolonged nap....

    Andrew Lillico is right - we might as well join Le Grand Projet and hope that their politicians are better than ours.
    They aren't. The talent pool has really dried up in Western politics over the past 20 years or so.
  • Donny43 said:

    Of course Lilico is an arch-federalist now.

    OF COURSE HE IS.
    It's an absolutely logical conclusion to draw: if we've been dragged so far in that we can't leave, then let's just be properly in.
    lets not...
  • FensterFenster Posts: 2,115
    edited December 2018

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    kle4 said:

    Depends on the Speaker AIUI.
    That's yes then. Bercow is without balance at the moment, he's losing it.

    A good Speaker stands up for the rights of Parliament against an overbearing and overmighty executive.

    Thus, if the government is pissed off with them, it's a sign they are doing their job properly.

    https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/conservative-party/news/100503/andrea-leadsom-questions-commons-speaker

    QED.

    (Incidentally I think we can add the rights and responsibilities of the Speaker's Chair to the bumper book of Things Mrs Leadsom Does Not Understand).

    He's an odious little twerp. Once again Leadsom is thoroughly sound. The extent to which she's attacked by remainers is a measure of how afraid they are of her. See also Rees Mogg.
    "Once again Leadsom is thoroughly sound."

    ha haha hahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
    That has to be one of the best unintentionally funny posts I have ever seen!
    Thing is, these are the people we are dealing with: Leadsom, Baker, Jenkyns, Francois, Bridgen. They seem the dimmest, nastiest ones. Then we have the clowns: JRM, Boris, Raab.

    That I am a member of the same party as these utter, utter arseholes is a cause of significant concern.
    Testify.

    This is why I'm positively tumescent at the prospect of No Deal, it'll destroy the credibility of the ERG and their hangers on forever, they are the modern day appeasers.

    Short term pain for long term gain I say.
    I'd argue there is an ocean of intellectual water separating boorish right wingers like Bridgen and (Andrea) Jenkyns from the likes of Raab and Johnson. At least Raab, Johnson, Gove and Hannan have made attempts to understand the EU and formulate a plan for a UK outside of the EU. Bridgen, Jenkyns and co seem not to have moved beyond 'Fuck the Frogs and Krauts'.
  • DanSmithDanSmith Posts: 1,215

    Realise that Brady may already have the letters, but won't announce it whilst May is out-of-office on her futility tour, which means he probably won't announce till Friday and she's back from EUCO.

    She's back for PMQs isn't she?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,745
    Pulpstar said:

    Lol @ Nadine's speech.

    She made a very good point about how for the first time, people are really paying attention. That's the prerequisite for a shift in public opinion.
  • grabcocquegrabcocque Posts: 4,234
    Sean_F said:


    #BREAKING: 'No way to change' Brexit deal, says Merkel after May visit #Brexit @AFP

    LITERALLY NOBODY SAW THIS ONE COMING, RIGHT?

    Nobody in govt at any rate - or so they tell us. It is why they are unsuitable to govern.

    Corbyn is also unsuitable, but for different reasons and Uncle Vince is busy with a prolonged nap....

    Andrew Lillico is right - we might as well join Le Grand Projet and hope that their politicians are better than ours.
    They aren't. The talent pool has really dried up in Western politics over the past 20 years or so.
    Though they have still run rings around Le Projet Brittanique.
  • Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    kle4 said:

    Depends on the Speaker AIUI.
    That's yes then. Bercow is without balance at the moment, he's losing it.

    A good Speaker stands up for the rights of Parliament against an overbearing and overmighty executive.

    Thus, if the government is pissed off with them, it's a sign they are doing their job properly.

    https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/conservative-party/news/100503/andrea-leadsom-questions-commons-speaker

    QED.

    (Incidentally I think we can add the rights and responsibilities of the Speaker's Chair to the bumper book of Things Mrs Leadsom Does Not Understand).

    He's an odious little twerp. Once again Leadsom is thoroughly sound. The extent to which she's attacked by remainers is a measure of how afraid they are of her. See also Rees Mogg.
    "Once again Leadsom is thoroughly sound."

    ha haha hahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
    Case in point.
    Afraid of Leadsom? Wasn't she senior partner of Goldman Sachs?
    What does that have to do with anything?
    "According to a former colleague who admitted to not knowing her personally, "the problem about these claims[clarification needed] is that they risk misleading people into believing that she has finance management skills and experience which qualify her for senior posts in government"; her actual job was to work (sometimes part-time) on “special projects”, mostly for the Chief Investment Officer, which included negotiating pay terms for senior fund managers. Towards the end of her time, she advised on a number of governance issues, but she had no-one reporting to her in either role"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea_Leadsom#Financial_career
    women eh ?

    really they should stick to making the tea.

    ( picture of a seal )
    At least we know how to make tea...

    image
  • Donny43Donny43 Posts: 634

    Donny43 said:

    Of course Lilico is an arch-federalist now.

    OF COURSE HE IS.
    It's an absolutely logical conclusion to draw: if we've been dragged so far in that we can't leave, then let's just be properly in.
    lets not...
    Expecting that we can be permanently half in, with opt outs of the bits we don't like, just causing trouble for everyone else is ultimate cakeism.
  • grabcocquegrabcocque Posts: 4,234

    Pulpstar said:

    Lol @ Nadine's speech.

    She made a very good point about how for the first time, people are really paying attention. That's the prerequisite for a shift in public opinion.
    And so there has been. Lord Ashcroft has found a large public shift against May's deal and towards Remain over the last two weeks.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,413
    France admits it will struggle to meet 2019 budget target, EU says not to worry we'll look at it next year.

    So thats alright then.


    http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-france/2018/12/11/01016-20181211LIVWWW00017-en-direct-gilets-jaunes-emmanuel-macron-annonces-smic-pouvoir-achat-retraites-edouard-philippe.php
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992
    Donny43 said:

    TOPPING said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Scott_P said:
    All those MPs of others demanding this, that and the other and clearly not understanding the difference between a transitional agreement and the permanent FTA between the UK and the EU should listen to the German MEP interviewed on today's WATO. He puts many of our legislators to shame.
    Many sane Tory MPs (yes there still are some) are at their wits' end trying to point out to their colleagues just this. The WA is the WA. Different from any future FTA.
    The problem is that the WA is supposed to be temporary but the backstop is permanent.
    Yes I understand that. I understand the objection but it is not seeing the wood for the trees. It is in everyone's best interest to conclude an FTA as soon as possible. For the EU because they think we are cherry-picking and for us because of, well, the backstop which irritates some folk.

    But it is a staging post which all sides want to move on from as soon as possible.

    The Cons MP Brexiters are not even clever enough to understand that the EU dislikes the deal that the UK has got intensely.

    Plus, of course, as I have pointed out a zillion times, there simply cannot not be a backstop so it's just as well that it will be redundant in a year or two or three.
  • grabcocquegrabcocque Posts: 4,234
    DanSmith said:

    Realise that Brady may already have the letters, but won't announce it whilst May is out-of-office on her futility tour, which means he probably won't announce till Friday and she's back from EUCO.

    She's back for PMQs isn't she?
    Just announced she's meeting Varadkar tomorrow as part of Futility Tour '18, but doesn't say when.

    Honestly might be best if she doesn't show her face round these parts for a little while.
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    Sean_F said:

    TOPPING said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Scott_P said:
    All those MPs of others demanding this, that and the other and clearly not understanding the difference between a transitional agreement and the permanent FTA between the UK and the EU should listen to the German MEP interviewed on today's WATO. He puts many of our legislators to shame.
    Many sane Tory MPs (yes there still are some) are at their wits' end trying to point out to their colleagues just this. The WA is the WA. Different from any future FTA.
    I don't know if people who can't make the distinction are just being dishonest, if they just don't understand the distinction.
    There was a long Twitter thread yesterday, detailing Dan Hannan's persistent confusion between *a* single market, *the* single market, the EEA, EFTA, the common market, a free trade area, and a free trade agreement.

    He seems to use all these terms so fungibly, so often, that we can only assume that he literally has no real idea what any of them mean, or how they differ from each other.

    The great intellectual of the Brexit project, appears to understand as much about global trade as the average house brick.
    My mistake was always suggesting he was a moron or he was mendacious. TSE's breakthrough was that he was both.
  • NemtynakhtNemtynakht Posts: 2,329

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    kle4 said:

    Depends on the Speaker AIUI.
    That's yes then. Bercow is without balance at the moment, he's losing it.

    A good Speaker stands up for the rights of Parliament against an overbearing and overmighty executive.

    Thus, if the government is pissed off with them, it's a sign they are doing their job properly.

    https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/conservative-party/news/100503/andrea-leadsom-questions-commons-speaker

    QED.

    (Incidentally I think we can add the rights and responsibilities of the Speaker's Chair to the bumper book of Things Mrs Leadsom Does Not Understand).

    He's an odious little twerp. Once again Leadsom is thoroughly sound. The extent to which she's attacked by remainers is a measure of how afraid they are of her. See also Rees Mogg.
    "Once again Leadsom is thoroughly sound."

    ha haha hahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
    That has to be one of the best unintentionally funny posts I have ever seen!
    Thing is, these are the people we are dealing with: Leadsom, Baker, Jenkyns, Francois, Bridgen. They seem the dimmest, nastiest ones. Then we have the clowns: JRM, Boris, Raab.

    That I am a member of the same party as these utter, utter arseholes is a cause of significant concern.
    Testify.

    This is why I'm positively tumescent at the prospect of No Deal, it'll destroy the credibility of the ERG and their hangers on forever, they are the modern day appeasers.

    Short term pain for long term gain I say.
    The problem with the WA is that it ties our hands for the FTA agreement. Whilst no FTA is easy, I do sympathise with those saying it should be easy to negotiate, as we already have agreed and equal standards for goods through British Standards reflecting their Eurocodes. And if the EU followed the spirit of article 50 and weren’t seeking to punish us for leaving (pour encourager les autres) then we could have had a managed no deal exit with agreement on import of goods, air traffic etc without with doom laden predictions.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,318
    Donny43 said:

    TOPPING said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Scott_P said:
    All those MPs of others demanding this, that and the other and clearly not understanding the difference between a transitional agreement and the permanent FTA between the UK and the EU should listen to the German MEP interviewed on today's WATO. He puts many of our legislators to shame.
    Many sane Tory MPs (yes there still are some) are at their wits' end trying to point out to their colleagues just this. The WA is the WA. Different from any future FTA.
    The problem is that the WA is supposed to be temporary but the backstop is permanent.
    Oh FFS! The backstop only comes into operation if there is no FTA. Even the dimmest MP should understand that it is there as an incentive to ensure that the EU and us enter into a FTA, which is what everyone wants and which one particularly dim Tory MP (the former Brexit secretary no less) described as the "easiest trade deal in history".

  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,821
    edited December 2018
    Tricky market:

    Will a No Confidence vote on Theresa May's leadership of the Conservative Party take place in 2018? The market will be settled once the vote has officially taken place.

    If Theresa May stands down as leader after the no confidence vote is triggered but before the actual vote takes place then No will be settled as the winner
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 42,992

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    kle4 said:

    Depends on the Speaker AIUI.
    That's yes then. Bercow is without balance at the moment, he's losing it.

    A good Speaker stands up for the rights of Parliament against an overbearing and overmighty executive.

    Thus, if the government is pissed off with them, it's a sign they are doing their job properly.

    https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/conservative-party/news/100503/andrea-leadsom-questions-commons-speaker

    QED.

    (Incidentally I think we can add the rights and responsibilities of the Speaker's Chair to the bumper book of Things Mrs Leadsom Does Not Understand).

    He's an odious little twerp. Once again Leadsom is thoroughly sound. The extent to which she's attacked by remainers is a measure of how afraid they are of her. See also Rees Mogg.
    "Once again Leadsom is thoroughly sound."

    ha haha hahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
    That has to be one of the best unintentionally funny posts I have ever seen!
    Thing is, these are the people we are dealing with: Leadsom, Baker, Jenkyns, Francois, Bridgen. They seem the dimmest, nastiest ones. Then we have the clowns: JRM, Boris, Raab.

    That I am a member of the same party as these utter, utter arseholes is a cause of significant concern.
    +1
    It's by no means your fault; what is worrying is that they've got to the top of it.
    They haven't, you're thinking of the Labour Party.
    Topping and the man from Spurs are Labour?

    Mind as an ex Lib Dem I would/couldn't gloat.

    Richard may be right that there are loons at the top of the Labour Party but dear god when the airwaves are full of the ERG, for all the world looking as though they are indeed at the top of their party then yes I worry.
  • This could finally do for her. NOVC can happen in recess. They must strike now.

    https://twitter.com/dansabbagh/status/1072503438418829312
  • grabcocquegrabcocque Posts: 4,234

    France admits it will struggle to meet 2019 budget target, EU says not to worry we'll look at it next year.

    So thats alright then.


    http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-france/2018/12/11/01016-20181211LIVWWW00017-en-direct-gilets-jaunes-emmanuel-macron-annonces-smic-pouvoir-achat-retraites-edouard-philippe.php

    TBF, the fiscal compact makes allowances for occasionally going over, especially in response to serious and unexpected events, it's serious and persistent violations of the rules that matter.

    So it's not surprising the Commission will show France a measure of forbearance.
  • XenonXenon Posts: 471

    Mr. Cocque, ha, I know you're being silly, but it's still remarkable that May's going through with this charade given *everyone* saw this coming. Daft woman.

    She will now go back and try to sell the exact same deal to MPs which has already been widely rejected, of course with the same result. Then she'll go back to the EU once again to try and renegotiate even though they've told her they won't.

    She is stuck in an endless and pointless loop.
  • Looking into my crystal ball.

    I’d now be betting on Mrs May going in 2018 and replaced by Gove in a coronation and a full blown leadership contest in the summer of 2019.

    Totally unrelated I enjoyed my visit to Westminster today.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,413


    #BREAKING: 'No way to change' Brexit deal, says Merkel after May visit #Brexit @AFP

    LITERALLY NOBODY SAW THIS ONE COMING, RIGHT?

    Nobody in govt at any rate - or so they tell us. It is why they are unsuitable to govern.

    Corbyn is also unsuitable, but for different reasons and Uncle Vince is busy with a prolonged nap....

    Andrew Lillico is right - we might as well join Le Grand Projet and hope that their politicians are better than ours.
    have you met the Healey Raes ?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Healy-Rae
  • Tricky market: Will a No Confidence vote on Theresa May's leadership of the Conservative Party take place in 2018? The market will be settled once the vote has officially taken place.

    If Theresa May stands down as leader after the no confidence vote is triggered but before the actual vote takes place then No will be settled as the winner
    I think she'll stand and win. Perhaps we shall see quite shortly!
  • TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    kle4 said:

    Depends on the Speaker AIUI.
    That's yes then. Bercow is without balance at the moment, he's losing it.

    A good Speaker stands up for the rights of Parliament against an overbearing and overmighty executive.

    Thus, if the government is pissed off with them, it's a sign they are doing their job properly.

    https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/conservative-party/news/100503/andrea-leadsom-questions-commons-speaker

    QED.

    (Incidentally I think we can add the rights and responsibilities of the Speaker's Chair to the bumper book of Things Mrs Leadsom Does Not Understand).

    He's an odious little twerp. Once again Leadsom is thoroughly sound. The extent to which she's attacked by remainers is a measure of how afraid they are of her. See also Rees Mogg.
    "Once again Leadsom is thoroughly sound."

    ha haha hahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
    That has to be one of the best unintentionally funny posts I have ever seen!
    Thing is, these are the people we are dealing with: Leadsom, Baker, Jenkyns, Francois, Bridgen. They seem the dimmest, nastiest ones. Then we have the clowns: JRM, Boris, Raab.

    That I am a member of the same party as these utter, utter arseholes is a cause of significant concern.
    +1
    We are on the same page yet again. I think the only reason I maintain my membership is because it is on a DD (that's direct debit, not David Davis) ! If I had to physically write the cheque I would probably have second thoughts
  • Looking into my crystal ball.

    I’d now be betting on Mrs May going in 2018 and replaced by Gove in a coronation and a full blown leadership contest in the summer of 2019.

    Totally unrelated I enjoyed my visit to Westminster today.

    Gove as PM but not Conservative leader?
  • grabcocquegrabcocque Posts: 4,234
    Xenon said:

    Mr. Cocque, ha, I know you're being silly, but it's still remarkable that May's going through with this charade given *everyone* saw this coming. Daft woman.

    She will now go back and try to sell the exact same deal to MPs which has already been widely rejected, of course with the same result. Then she'll go back to the EU once again to try and renegotiate even though they've told her they won't.

    She is stuck in an endless and pointless loop.
    Somebody should try upgrading the Maybot's firmware.
  • France admits it will struggle to meet 2019 budget target, EU says not to worry we'll look at it next year.

    So thats alright then.


    http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-france/2018/12/11/01016-20181211LIVWWW00017-en-direct-gilets-jaunes-emmanuel-macron-annonces-smic-pouvoir-achat-retraites-edouard-philippe.php

    That evil old intransigent despotic EU eh?
  • Looking into my crystal ball.

    I’d now be betting on Mrs May going in 2018 and replaced by Gove in a coronation and a full blown leadership contest in the summer of 2019.

    Totally unrelated I enjoyed my visit to Westminster today.

    Gove as PM but not Conservative leader?
    Definitely PM, maybe Con Leader on the assurance that he stands down and contests a proper leadership contest.
  • grabcocquegrabcocque Posts: 4,234

    This could finally do for her. NOVC can happen in recess. They must strike now.

    https://twitter.com/dansabbagh/status/1072503438418829312

    If it's gonna happen they need to get it out of the way before Christmas.

    WHAT THE HELL IS TAKING SO LONG?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,745
    Nicky Morgan: "Maybe it's the time for a government of national unity."
  • TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    kle4 said:

    Depends on the Speaker AIUI.
    That's yes then. Bercow is without balance at the moment, he's losing it.

    A good Speaker stands up for the rights of Parliament against an overbearing and overmighty executive.

    Thus, if the government is pissed off with them, it's a sign they are doing their job properly.

    https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/conservative-party/news/100503/andrea-leadsom-questions-commons-speaker

    QED.

    (Incidentally I think we can add the rights and responsibilities of the Speaker's Chair to the bumper book of Things Mrs Leadsom Does Not Understand).

    He's an odious little twerp. Once again Leadsom is thoroughly sound. The extent to which she's attacked by remainers is a measure of how afraid they are of her. See also Rees Mogg.
    "Once again Leadsom is thoroughly sound."

    ha haha hahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
    That has to be one of the best unintentionally funny posts I have ever seen!
    Thing is, these are the people we are dealing with: Leadsom, Baker, Jenkyns, Francois, Bridgen. They seem the dimmest, nastiest ones. Then we have the clowns: JRM, Boris, Raab.

    That I am a member of the same party as these utter, utter arseholes is a cause of significant concern.
    +1
    We are on the same page yet again. I think the only reason I maintain my membership is because it is on a DD (that's direct debit, not David Davis) ! If I had to physically write the cheque I would probably have second thoughts
    Now is not the time for second thoughts, we can't leave the next leadership selection to the loons to decide.
  • anothernickanothernick Posts: 3,591


    #BREAKING: 'No way to change' Brexit deal, says Merkel after May visit #Brexit @AFP

    LITERALLY NOBODY SAW THIS ONE COMING, RIGHT?

    Of course not. It's a complete and utter surprise to nobody at all.
  • Xenon said:

    Mr. Cocque, ha, I know you're being silly, but it's still remarkable that May's going through with this charade given *everyone* saw this coming. Daft woman.

    She will now go back and try to sell the exact same deal to MPs which has already been widely rejected, of course with the same result. Then she'll go back to the EU once again to try and renegotiate even though they've told her they won't.

    She is stuck in an endless and pointless loop.
    She's running the clock down.

    She hopes to get to the point where there is no time left for anything but her deal or no deal, and expects the stubborn MPs to cave in then.

    That's the Plan, if you can call it that, but as you and I know, in reality there is no f in Plan.
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,318
    Fenster said:

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    kle4 said:

    Depends on the Speaker AIUI.
    That's yes then. Bercow is without balance at the moment, he's losing it.

    A good Speaker stands up for the rights of Parliament against an overbearing and overmighty executive.

    Thus, if the government is pissed off with them, it's a sign they are doing their job properly.

    https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/conservative-party/news/100503/andrea-leadsom-questions-commons-speaker

    QED.

    (Incidentally I think we can add the rights and responsibilities of the Speaker's Chair to the bumper book of Things Mrs Leadsom Does Not Understand).

    He's an odious little twerp. Once again Leadsom is thoroughly sound. The extent to which she's attacked by remainers is a measure of how afraid they are of her. See also Rees Mogg.
    "Once again Leadsom is thoroughly sound."

    ha haha hahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
    That has to be one of the best unintentionally funny posts I have ever seen!
    Thing is, these are the people we are dealing with: Leadsom, Baker, Jenkyns, Francois, Bridgen. They seem the dimmest, nastiest ones. Then we have the clowns: JRM, Boris, Raab.

    That I am a member of the same party as these utter, utter arseholes is a cause of significant concern.
    Testify.

    This is why I'm positively tumescent at the prospect of No Deal, it'll destroy the credibility of the ERG and their hangers on forever, they are the modern day appeasers.

    Short term pain for long term gain I say.
    I'd argue there is an ocean of intellectual water separating boorish right wingers like Bridgen and (Andrea) Jenkyns from the likes of Raab and Johnson. At least Raab, Johnson, Gove and Hannan have made attempts to understand the EU and formulate a plan for a UK outside of the EU. Bridgen, Jenkyns and co seem not to have moved beyond 'Fuck the Frogs and Krauts'.
    The last two years have shown us that Raab, Johnson and Hannan have not the first clue how the EU works. They are ignorant, self-serving, malicious and damaging. At least Gove has tried to do something worthwhile at DEFRA. The rest of them are a useless waste of space.

  • TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    kle4 said:

    Depends on the Speaker AIUI.
    That's yes then. Bercow is without balance at the moment, he's losing it.

    A good Speaker stands up for the rights of Parliament against an overbearing and overmighty executive.

    Thus, if the government is pissed off with them, it's a sign they are doing their job properly.

    https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/conservative-party/news/100503/andrea-leadsom-questions-commons-speaker

    QED.

    (Incidentally I think we can add the rights and responsibilities of the Speaker's Chair to the bumper book of Things Mrs Leadsom Does Not Understand).

    He's an odious little twerp. Once again Leadsom is thoroughly sound. The extent to which she's attacked by remainers is a measure of how afraid they are of her. See also Rees Mogg.
    "Once again Leadsom is thoroughly sound."

    ha haha hahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
    That has to be one of the best unintentionally funny posts I have ever seen!
    Thing is, these are the people we are dealing with: Leadsom, Baker, Jenkyns, Francois, Bridgen. They seem the dimmest, nastiest ones. Then we have the clowns: JRM, Boris, Raab.

    That I am a member of the same party as these utter, utter arseholes is a cause of significant concern.
    +1
    We are on the same page yet again. I think the only reason I maintain my membership is because it is on a DD (that's direct debit, not David Davis) ! If I had to physically write the cheque I would probably have second thoughts
    Now is not the time for second thoughts, we can't leave the next leadership selection to the loons to decide.
    Indeed. It is the real reason I do not terminate the dd
  • grabcocquegrabcocque Posts: 4,234


    Now is not the time for second thoughts, we can't leave the next leadership selection to the loons to decide.

    You mean Conservative MPs?
  • Donny43 said:

    Donny43 said:

    Of course Lilico is an arch-federalist now.

    OF COURSE HE IS.
    It's an absolutely logical conclusion to draw: if we've been dragged so far in that we can't leave, then let's just be properly in.
    lets not...
    Expecting that we can be permanently half in, with opt outs of the bits we don't like, just causing trouble for everyone else is ultimate cakeism.
    Worked out ok so far...
  • Donny43Donny43 Posts: 634
    TOPPING said:

    Donny43 said:

    TOPPING said:

    Cyclefree said:

    Scott_P said:
    All those MPs of others demanding this, that and the other and clearly not understanding the difference between a transitional agreement and the permanent FTA between the UK and the EU should listen to the German MEP interviewed on today's WATO. He puts many of our legislators to shame.
    Many sane Tory MPs (yes there still are some) are at their wits' end trying to point out to their colleagues just this. The WA is the WA. Different from any future FTA.
    The problem is that the WA is supposed to be temporary but the backstop is permanent.
    Yes I understand that. I understand the objection but it is not seeing the wood for the trees. It is in everyone's best interest to conclude an FTA as soon as possible. For the EU because they think we are cherry-picking and for us because of, well, the backstop which irritates some folk.

    But it is a staging post which all sides want to move on from as soon as possible.

    The Cons MP Brexiters are not even clever enough to understand that the EU dislikes the deal that the UK has got intensely.

    Plus, of course, as I have pointed out a zillion times, there simply cannot not be a backstop so it's just as well that it will be redundant in a year or two or three.
    Given that the backstop allows the EU to use access to the UK market in its trade deals, I have no faith that they will "want to move on from it as soon as possible".
  • TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    kle4 said:

    Depends on the Speaker AIUI.
    That's yes then. Bercow is without balance at the moment, he's losing it.

    A good Speaker stands up for the rights of Parliament against an overbearing and overmighty executive.

    Thus, if the government is pissed off with them, it's a sign they are doing their job properly.

    https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/conservative-party/news/100503/andrea-leadsom-questions-commons-speaker

    QED.

    (Incidentally I think we can add the rights and responsibilities of the Speaker's Chair to the bumper book of Things Mrs Leadsom Does Not Understand).

    He's an odious little twerp. Once again Leadsom is thoroughly sound. The extent to which she's attacked by remainers is a measure of how afraid they are of her. See also Rees Mogg.
    "Once again Leadsom is thoroughly sound."

    ha haha hahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
    Case in point.
    Afraid of Leadsom? Wasn't she senior partner of Goldman Sachs?
    What does that have to do with anything?
    "According to a former colleague who admitted to not knowing her personally, "the t Officer, which included negotiating pay terms for senior fund managers. Towards the end of her time, she advised on a number of governance issues, but she had no-one reporting to her in either role"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea_Leadsom#Financial_career
    women eh ?

    really they should stick to making the tea.

    ( picture of a seal )
    At least we know how to make tea...

    image
    Hey, Beverley, don't worry! Me and my squad of ultimate Brexiteers will protect you! Check it out. Independently targeting particle-beam phalanx. WHAP! Fry half a city with this puppy. We got tactical smart missiles, phase plasma pulse rifles, RPGs. We got sonic, electronic ball-breakers! We got nukes, we got knives, sharp sticks... :lol:
  • Donny43Donny43 Posts: 634

    France admits it will struggle to meet 2019 budget target, EU says not to worry we'll look at it next year.

    So thats alright then.


    http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-france/2018/12/11/01016-20181211LIVWWW00017-en-direct-gilets-jaunes-emmanuel-macron-annonces-smic-pouvoir-achat-retraites-edouard-philippe.php

    That evil old intransigent despotic EU eh?
    "Rules based organisation".
  • AndrewAndrew Posts: 2,900
    edited December 2018


    Now is not the time for second thoughts, we can't leave the next leadership selection to the loons to decide.

    We're going to end up with the leadership of both main parties decided on the Buggins' Turn system, after the ERGers roll dice to decide which nutter stands.
  • grabcocquegrabcocque Posts: 4,234

    Xenon said:

    Mr. Cocque, ha, I know you're being silly, but it's still remarkable that May's going through with this charade given *everyone* saw this coming. Daft woman.

    She will now go back and try to sell the exact same deal to MPs which has already been widely rejected, of course with the same result. Then she'll go back to the EU once again to try and renegotiate even though they've told her they won't.

    She is stuck in an endless and pointless loop.
    She's running the clock down.
    She's just planning to spend the next month and a half ping-ponging between Brussels, Berlin, Paris and Dublin, to polite rebuffs until 21st January comes around?


  • Donny43Donny43 Posts: 634

    TOPPING said:

    TOPPING said:

    kle4 said:

    Depends on the Speaker AIUI.
    That's yes then. Bercow is without balance at the moment, he's losing it.

    A good Speaker stands up for the rights of Parliament against an overbearing and overmighty executive.

    Thus, if the government is pissed off with them, it's a sign they are doing their job properly.

    https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/conservative-party/news/100503/andrea-leadsom-questions-commons-speaker

    QED.

    (Incidentally I think we can add the rights and responsibilities of the Speaker's Chair to the bumper book of Things Mrs Leadsom Does Not Understand).

    He's an odious little twerp. Once again Leadsom is thoroughly sound. The extent to which she's attacked by remainers is a measure of how afraid they are of her. See also Rees Mogg.
    "Once again Leadsom is thoroughly sound."

    ha haha hahahahahaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
    That has to be one of the best unintentionally funny posts I have ever seen!
    Thing is, these are the people we are dealing with: Leadsom, Baker, Jenkyns, Francois, Bridgen. They seem the dimmest, nastiest ones. Then we have the clowns: JRM, Boris, Raab.

    That I am a member of the same party as these utter, utter arseholes is a cause of significant concern.
    +1
    We are on the same page yet again. I think the only reason I maintain my membership is because it is on a DD (that's direct debit, not David Davis) ! If I had to physically write the cheque I would probably have second thoughts
    Now is not the time for second thoughts, we can't leave the next leadership selection to the loons to decide.
    In a hung parliament it's difficult to see how a leadership election could be allowed to go to the membership.
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,389

    Looking into my crystal ball.

    I’d now be betting on Mrs May going in 2018 and replaced by Gove in a coronation and a full blown leadership contest in the summer of 2019.

    Totally unrelated I enjoyed my visit to Westminster today.

    I quite like Gove but he is hugely unpopular with the voters.
  • Donny43 said:

    France admits it will struggle to meet 2019 budget target, EU says not to worry we'll look at it next year.

    So thats alright then.


    http://www.lefigaro.fr/actualite-france/2018/12/11/01016-20181211LIVWWW00017-en-direct-gilets-jaunes-emmanuel-macron-annonces-smic-pouvoir-achat-retraites-edouard-philippe.php

    That evil old intransigent despotic EU eh?
    "Rules based organisation".
    "The code is more what you'd call "guidelines" than actual rules."
  • grabcocquegrabcocque Posts: 4,234
    edited December 2018
    Donny43 said:


    In a hung parliament it's difficult to see how a leadership election could be allowed to go to the membership.

    Yes. I hope the 1922 committee has had enough foresight to put plans in place to ensure Boris comes to an unfortunate accident should disaster befall the Tories and he make it through to the final two.
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