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There’s a new YouGov/QMUL poll London Mayoral poll just out that has Sadiq Khan on 55% against just 27% for his Tory opponent Shaun Bailey. The voting system, it will be recalled is based on the supplementary vote so that a contender needs to win 50% only first round to be sure of victory.
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Foisted.0
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Hope you all got on at 2-5.0
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He will still win easily, but I wonder how his stealth massively expanded congestion charge will go down.0
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FPT:
You may be well right. It will be interesting to see how this one plays out, especially given Bercow's views...grabcocque said:
I don't know about that. Both convention the FTPA say that motions of no confidence take precedence over *all other business of the day*.El_Capitano said:
But the Speaker would have to choose the motion for debate, which isn't a given, unless there's an SNP Opposition Day coming up.grabcocque said:
The FTPA specifices no restrictions on who may move a motion of no confidence. Barring any guidance to the contrary, I'd assume that yes, he could.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1072467238630887424
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Pulpstar will be happy.0
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Shaun Bailey has turned out to be a bit of a numpty hasn't he.0
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I hope everyone compares his Barnet result to the Lab locals there in 2020.0
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What has Bailey done or not done ?TheScreamingEagles said:Shaun Bailey has turned out to be a bit of a numpty hasn't he.
Also the polling looks dire for the Lib Dems. I wonder if Khan will take any of the current LD seats on first prefs.0 -
I see the Fall Out 76 Larpers are out again today in Paris, this time protesting an increase in non-EU uni fees. Macron isn't going to get any reforms through now is he.0
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Curious. We were confidently told that the crime surge would sink Khan. What happened? Are Londoners a bit too thick to notice, or do they place the blame elsewhere?0
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Standing as a Tory in London is pretty numpty-ish.Pulpstar said:
What has Bailey done or not done ?TheScreamingEagles said:Shaun Bailey has turned out to be a bit of a numpty hasn't he.
Also the polling looks dire for the Lib Dems. I wonder if Khan will take any of the current LD seats on first prefs.0 -
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/7-shocking-things-shaun-bailey-13389639Pulpstar said:
What has Bailey done or not done ?TheScreamingEagles said:Shaun Bailey has turned out to be a bit of a numpty hasn't he.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/oct/03/tories-london-mayor-pick-shaun-bailey-multiculturalism-robs-britain-of-its-community
https://news.sky.com/story/tory-london-mayor-candidate-shaun-bailey-defends-raw-controversial-comments-11522416
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Mr. Urquhart, to be fair, the nylon bag scandal was quite the fiasco.0
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Regardless of that, he has failed to get elected as an MP in London, even when there was a fair wind behind.TheScreamingEagles said:
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/7-shocking-things-shaun-bailey-13389639Pulpstar said:
What has Bailey done or not done ?TheScreamingEagles said:Shaun Bailey has turned out to be a bit of a numpty hasn't he.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/oct/03/tories-london-mayor-pick-shaun-bailey-multiculturalism-robs-britain-of-its-community
https://news.sky.com/story/tory-london-mayor-candidate-shaun-bailey-defends-raw-controversial-comments-115224160 -
Man held by armed police at UK Parliament
A man is being held by armed police officers after it is believed he broke into the grounds of Parliament in Westminster.
An eyewitness told the BBC the man jumped over railings before being Tasered by police.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-465248390 -
I'm delighted that Fallout 76 went down like a bucket of cold sick.Morris_Dancer said:Mr. Urquhart, to be fair, the nylon bag scandal was quite the fiasco.
I've been saying for *years* (since Oblivion) what everyone else is saying about Bethesda now. Glad you finally caught up with me, guys!0 -
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One reason why we are in the mess we are in is that for many people the only pay rises have been the legally enforced minimum wage increases while at the same time more and more people have dragged into the minimum wage sphere (as their job that used to pay more than minimum wage started to be paying less than the increased minimum wage).Alanbrooke said:
lolrcs1000 said:
That chart isn't that encouraging. Wages are only growing a little faster than inflation.Alanbrooke said:Brexit disaster !
wages rise at their fastest rate since 2008
Stuart Rose wasnt joking
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-46520876
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He was measurably poor as a minister, so no surprise there.SeanT said:
He's got the Remain vote, the BAME vote, the trad Labour vote, the EU nationals' vote (if they don't emigrate). It's a massive natural majority.Stark_Dawning said:Curious. We were confidently told that the crime surge would sink Khan. What happened? Are Londoners a bit too thick to notice, or do they place the blame elsewhere?
It's also quite depressing, as he is measurably poor as a mayor. Demonstrably worse than Johnson (crime, Tfl etc).
The only hope for antiKhan Londoners like me is that the Crossrail debacle will bring him down. It is not unthinkable.0 -
Lib dems dont put any real effort into the GLA and Mayoral electionsgrabcocque said:
Standing as a Tory in London is pretty numpty-ish.Pulpstar said:
What has Bailey done or not done ?TheScreamingEagles said:Shaun Bailey has turned out to be a bit of a numpty hasn't he.
Also the polling looks dire for the Lib Dems. I wonder if Khan will take any of the current LD seats on first prefs.0 -
The thing is for us over here, his reforms seem so minor. I mean considering academic performance when deciding who should get on to a massively oversubscribed university course, what an outrageous idea.SeanT said:
There's a couple of FT articles saying this (and they were pro-Macron). The tax concessions he has just made to the Gilets Jaune are enough for France's budget deficit to break 3% and be subject to EU fines (which won't happen: "France is France" etc etc). The FT thinks he is a busted flush already, just another president who promised so much (like Sarko, Chirac, Hollande) but caved to street protests.FrancisUrquhart said:I see the Fall Out 76 Larpers are out again today in Paris, this time protesting an increase in non-EU uni fees. Macron isn't going to get any reforms through now is he.
France is maybe unreformable, absent war or aliens landing.
Possibly, maybe, being able to sack somebody from a job during a trial period if they are found to be utterly shit. Scandalous.0 -
If it were tabled by a lone MP I guess the Speaker could ignore it, but coming from Parliament's third and Scotland's principal party I think he would have to take it. Good for them for putting Labour on the spot; Labour's abject timidity and paranoia about doing anything, deciding anything or saying anything worthwhile has been absolutely pitiful.El_Capitano said:FPT:
You may be well right. It will be interesting to see how this one plays out, especially given Bercow's views...grabcocque said:
I don't know about that. Both convention the FTPA say that motions of no confidence take precedence over *all other business of the day*.El_Capitano said:
But the Speaker would have to choose the motion for debate, which isn't a given, unless there's an SNP Opposition Day coming up.grabcocque said:
The FTPA specifices no restrictions on who may move a motion of no confidence. Barring any guidance to the contrary, I'd assume that yes, he could.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1072467238630887424
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That's yes then. Bercow is without balance at the moment, he's losing it.El_Capitano said:
Depends on the Speaker AIUI.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1072467238630887424
He can't can he?
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I think its highly probable that the Tories will never win the London Mayoralty ever again - it will be a Labour held post unless some exceptional independent perhaps big business figure runs. Even the outer London fiefdoms like Bromley and Havering will go Labour eventually.SeanT said:
He's got the Remain vote, the BAME vote, the trad Labour vote, the EU nationals' vote (if they don't emigrate). It's a massive natural majority.Stark_Dawning said:Curious. We were confidently told that the crime surge would sink Khan. What happened? Are Londoners a bit too thick to notice, or do they place the blame elsewhere?
It's also quite depressing, as he is measurably poor as a mayor. Demonstrably worse than Johnson (crime, Tfl etc).
The only hope for antiKhan Londoners like me is that the Crossrail debacle will bring him down. It is not unthinkable.
The demographics make that all but certain.0 -
Stealthily.FrancisUrquhart said:He will still win easily, but I wonder how his stealth massively expanded congestion charge will go down.
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Nothing in elections is ever certain but the Tories are extremely unlikely to win London for the foreseeable future until there is an unpopular Labour government in Westminster.brendan16 said:
The Tories will never win the London Mayoralty ever again - it will be a Labour held post unless some exceptional independent perhaps big business figure runs.SeanT said:
He's got the Remain vote, the BAME vote, the trad Labour vote, the EU nationals' vote (if they don't emigrate). It's a massive natural majority.Stark_Dawning said:Curious. We were confidently told that the crime surge would sink Khan. What happened? Are Londoners a bit too thick to notice, or do they place the blame elsewhere?
It's also quite depressing, as he is measurably poor as a mayor. Demonstrably worse than Johnson (crime, Tfl etc).
The only hope for antiKhan Londoners like me is that the Crossrail debacle will bring him down. It is not unthinkable.
The demographics make that all but certain.0 -
Too busy to notice, maybe.Stark_Dawning said:Curious. We were confidently told that the crime surge would sink Khan. What happened? Are Londoners a bit too thick to notice, or do they place the blame elsewhere?
I'm not sure if the penny has dropped that the excuse for the next tube strike is that LU sacked a driver who failed a drugs test.0 -
The constant dilemma - if you give in to some demands will it defuse tensions or just encourage those who will demand more.FrancisUrquhart said:I see the Fall Out 76 Larpers are out again today in Paris, this time protesting an increase in non-EU uni fees. Macron isn't going to get any reforms through now is he.
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For @JosiasJessop
I think it was the Richmond Park by-election where the seeds of short-term tactical success were sown and the chance of a crop of long-term strategic success was lost.JosiasJessop said:
In these Brexit-obsessed times, it's good to look at something else. So here's a question that might be worth a threader from one of our esteemed writers:
What's the matter with the Lib Dems?
They should be making hay with both main parties hopelessly split, and led by (on one side) an anti-Semite, and on the other a woman who is faced with an impossible task, and is doing it poorly. The Lib Dems should be polling 20%, and yet they are nowhere.
There are probably many factors: the after-effects of the coalition (which perversely now feels like a glorious period of sane government), a very poor leader, few MPs, no stellar talent, and little media attention. They also seem to lack a coherent message. I cannot say how the activist base is feeling, but they can't be filled with joy.
Have I missed anything?
The Lib Dem activists found on the doorstep that the third runway got no cut-through either way (at least half their pledge were fine with it). The electors there were pissed off about Brexit. Naturally, as the most anti-Brexit Party, this was a gift and they naturally pivoted to maximise on it. And won.
The media coverage led to an influx of new members - very motivated, more likely to become activists than most... and utterly anti-Brexit.
The Party started to resemble a single-issue Party: the Anti-Brexit League. Media coverage was solely on this. The leadership responded - all of a sudden the desperately needed media coverage was back... as long as they talked about Brexit. And, of course, they could harness the outrage of the Remainers, with the Big Two not taking this chance; a polling score of 48% beckoned!
Unfortunately, with a single-issue party, if you don't agree that the issue is the most important and agree with the party, you're going to ignore them. And only 60% or so think Brexit is the most important thing. Of these, maybe a quarter are pro-Brexit, a half just want it to stop, and a quarter are anti-Brexit. This means they're actually fishing in a pool of 15%, not 48%.
And YouGov did polling to see whether or not voters have "forgiven the Lib Dems". Hearteningly, a lot had. There was only one demographic that was relentless in their anger: "Remainers who haven't accepted the result." So not only are they fishing in a pool of about 15%, it's the most hostile 15% after the Coalition. Good luck getting half of them (while bleeding core voters who are sick of Brexit or are Leavers).
Solution? Dunno. None this side of Brexit.
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I reckon Brian Coleman could beat Sadiq Khan.0
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You're reading that the wrong way round.SeanT said:
Fascinating chart. Look how approving Labour is of the SNP: +40. This is not reciprocated, the SNP think -3 and Meh of Labour.Tissue_Price said:0 -
Other way around, I think.SeanT said:
Fascinating chart. Look how approving Labour is of the SNP: +40. This is not reciprocated, the SNP think -3 and Meh of Labour.Tissue_Price said:0 -
A good Speaker stands up for the rights of Parliament against an overbearing and overmighty executive.kle4 said:
That's yes then. Bercow is without balance at the moment, he's losing it.El_Capitano said:
Depends on the Speaker AIUI.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1072467238630887424
He can't can he?
Thus, if the government is pissed off with them, it's a sign they are doing their job properly.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/conservative-party/news/100503/andrea-leadsom-questions-commons-speaker
QED.
(Incidentally I think we can add the rights and responsibilities of the Speaker's Chair to the bumper book of Things Mrs Leadsom Does Not Understand).
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The only way I can see Khan losing is if Lord Sugar runs as an independent.
However even so it should be pointed out Bailey ties Khan in Outer London, it is only Inner London which gives Khan his clear lead0 -
That depends where you stand. The Conservatives should manage to win 18-25 seats in London.grabcocque said:
Standing as a Tory in London is pretty numpty-ish.Pulpstar said:
What has Bailey done or not done ?TheScreamingEagles said:Shaun Bailey has turned out to be a bit of a numpty hasn't he.
Also the polling looks dire for the Lib Dems. I wonder if Khan will take any of the current LD seats on first prefs.0 -
Yes, it's always risky talking about London as if it were a homogeneous political entity.Sean_F said:
That depends where you stand. The Conservatives should manage to win 18-25 seats in London.grabcocque said:
Standing as a Tory in London is pretty numpty-ish.Pulpstar said:
What has Bailey done or not done ?TheScreamingEagles said:Shaun Bailey has turned out to be a bit of a numpty hasn't he.
Also the polling looks dire for the Lib Dems. I wonder if Khan will take any of the current LD seats on first prefs.0 -
Yep! Although a lot of those people could already be Labour voters, confusingly. The chart would probably be more useful if the top axis was "Among voters for this party"SeanT said:
lol. Am I?? My excuse is I just got up (yes yes, 1pm, fat lazy writer)Stereotomy said:
You're reading that the wrong way round.SeanT said:
Fascinating chart. Look how approving Labour is of the SNP: +40. This is not reciprocated, the SNP think -3 and Meh of Labour.Tissue_Price said:
If that is the case (and I am sure you are right), then it is more interesting: this shows the potential for Labour to bounce back in Scotland, if only they had decent leadership in London and Edinburgh.0 -
I agree the speaker must stand up to an overbearing government. But Bercow seems to be openly condemning the government even when he acknowledges they are within their rights to pick one of two options, and makes interventions which are points the opposition would more appropriately make.grabcocque said:
A good Speaker stands up for the rights of Parliament against an overbearing and overmighty executive.kle4 said:
That's yes then. Bercow is without balance at the moment, he's losing it.El_Capitano said:
Depends on the Speaker AIUI.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1072467238630887424
He can't can he?
Thus, if the government is pissed off with them, it's a sign they are doing their job properly.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/conservative-party/news/100503/andrea-leadsom-questions-commons-speaker
QED.
(Incidentally I think we can add the rights and responsibilities of the Speaker's Chair to the bumper book of Things Mrs Leadsom Does Not Understand).
I don't want or expect Bercow to give the government an easy time, that is not his job, but it is no secret the gov hates him and he hates it, and he should do a better job of pretending otherwise.0 -
People said the same about New York city which had Democratic Mayors for years until crime got so bad Giuliani won in 1993 on a 'zero tolerance' tough on crime ticket. After Giuliani it then elected Bloomberg the GOP turned Independent turned Democrat businessman and now the Mayor is a liberal Democrat again, Bill Di Blasiobrendan16 said:
I think its highly probable that the Tories will never win the London Mayoralty ever again - it will be a Labour held post unless some exceptional independent perhaps big business figure runs. Even the outer London fiefdoms like Bromley and Havering will go Labour eventually.SeanT said:
He's got the Remain vote, the BAME vote, the trad Labour vote, the EU nationals' vote (if they don't emigrate). It's a massive natural majority.Stark_Dawning said:Curious. We were confidently told that the crime surge would sink Khan. What happened? Are Londoners a bit too thick to notice, or do they place the blame elsewhere?
It's also quite depressing, as he is measurably poor as a mayor. Demonstrably worse than Johnson (crime, Tfl etc).
The only hope for antiKhan Londoners like me is that the Crossrail debacle will bring him down. It is not unthinkable.
The demographics make that all but certain.0 -
Not if he gives off the impression that he would be much more slack if the other side were in power,grabcocque said:
A good Speaker stands up for the rights of Parliament against an overbearing and overmighty executive.kle4 said:
That's yes then. Bercow is without balance at the moment, he's losing it.El_Capitano said:
Depends on the Speaker AIUI.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1072467238630887424
He can't can he?
Thus, if the government is pissed off with them, it's a sign they are doing their job properly.0 -
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How well distributed is this claimed ‘wage growth’? Anecdotally there is next to no wage growth here in the North East of England.0 -
I think Bercow was absolutely right to shame the government. The grand old Duke of Leadsom marched parliament 60% of the way to the top of the hill and then ran away in terror. May deserves every dressing down she gets, with the contemptible way she's treated the house.kle4 said:
I agree the speaker must stand up to an overbearing government. But Bercow seems to be openly condemning the government even when he acknowledges they are within their rights to pick one of two options, and makes interventions which are points the opposition would more appropriately make.
I don't want or expect Bercow to give the government an easy time, that is not his job, but it is no secret the gov hates him and he hates it, and he should do a better job of pretending otherwise.
In any case, it's all piss and wind since they both know Leadsom has neither the votes, nor the balls, to move against him. So all she's done is let him know he's getting under her skin, and she's powerless to stop it.
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In 1997, the Conservatives finished 18% behind Labour, 19% behind them in 2001, and 22% behind in 2017. In terms of seats they won 11, 13, and 21, as their vote had become more efficiently distributed.grabcocque said:
Yes, it's always risky talking about London as if it were a homogeneous political entity.Sean_F said:
That depends where you stand. The Conservatives should manage to win 18-25 seats in London.grabcocque said:
Standing as a Tory in London is pretty numpty-ish.Pulpstar said:
What has Bailey done or not done ?TheScreamingEagles said:Shaun Bailey has turned out to be a bit of a numpty hasn't he.
Also the polling looks dire for the Lib Dems. I wonder if Khan will take any of the current LD seats on first prefs.0 -
Bercow won't be speaker at the next election. Time for the Tories to start thinking about what Speaker they want to gift the Labour/SNP government.Donny43 said:
Not if he gives off the impression that he would be much more slack if the other side were in power,grabcocque said:
A good Speaker stands up for the rights of Parliament against an overbearing and overmighty executive.kle4 said:
That's yes then. Bercow is without balance at the moment, he's losing it.El_Capitano said:
Depends on the Speaker AIUI.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1072467238630887424
He can't can he?
Thus, if the government is pissed off with them, it's a sign they are doing their job properly.0 -
https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/earningsandworkinghours/bulletins/annualsurveyofhoursandearnings/2018Gallowgate said:FPT:
How well distributed is this claimed ‘wage growth’? Anecdotally there is next to no wage growth here in the North East of England.
Figure 7.
North East is both the lowest paid and slowest growing region.West Mids and NI the highest growing, East Mids and Yorkshire also outstrip London for growth with Scotland and NW a fraction behind.0 -
Rees Mogg!grabcocque said:
Bercow won't be speaker at the next election. Time for the Tories to start thinking about what Speaker they want to gift the Labour/SNP government.Donny43 said:
Not if he gives off the impression that he would be much more slack if the other side were in power,grabcocque said:
A good Speaker stands up for the rights of Parliament against an overbearing and overmighty executive.kle4 said:
That's yes then. Bercow is without balance at the moment, he's losing it.El_Capitano said:
Depends on the Speaker AIUI.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1072467238630887424
He can't can he?
Thus, if the government is pissed off with them, it's a sign they are doing their job properly.
The fact I have a quid on that has nothing to do with this (It was from before he became the main rent a quote chap)
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You know, I... think he'd make a good speaker.kle4 said:
Rees Mogg!grabcocque said:
Bercow won't be speaker at the next election. Time for the Tories to start thinking about what Speaker they want to gift the Labour/SNP government.Donny43 said:
Not if he gives off the impression that he would be much more slack if the other side were in power,grabcocque said:
A good Speaker stands up for the rights of Parliament against an overbearing and overmighty executive.kle4 said:
That's yes then. Bercow is without balance at the moment, he's losing it.El_Capitano said:
Depends on the Speaker AIUI.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1072467238630887424
He can't can he?
Thus, if the government is pissed off with them, it's a sign they are doing their job properly.
The fact I have a quid on that has nothing to do with this (It was from before he became the main rent a quote chap)
You just made me say a nice thing about JRM.
You bastard.0 -
Fantastic.Donny43 said:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/earningsandworkinghours/bulletins/annualsurveyofhoursandearnings/2018Gallowgate said:FPT:
How well distributed is this claimed ‘wage growth’? Anecdotally there is next to no wage growth here in the North East of England.
Figure 7.
North East is both the lowest paid and slowest growing region.West Mids and NI the highest growing, East Mids and Yorkshire also outstrip London for growth with Scotland and NW a fraction behind.0 -
Can't the opposition and rebels criticise how the house is treated? If it is a legitimate thing the gov can do then that is that, if he's asked can they do it. The speaker doesn't need to step in when plenty are already going to make the point about if they should do it.grabcocque said:
I think Bercow was absolutely right to shame the government. The grand old Duke of Leadsom marched parliament 60% of the way to the top of the hill and then ran away in terror. May deserves every dressing down she gets, with the contemptible way she's treated the house.kle4 said:
I agree the speaker must stand up to an overbearing government. But Bercow seems to be openly condemning the government even when he acknowledges they are within their rights to pick one of two options, and makes interventions which are points the opposition would more appropriately make.
I don't want or expect Bercow to give the government an easy time, that is not his job, but it is no secret the gov hates him and he hates it, and he should do a better job of pretending otherwise.
In any case, it's all piss and wind since they both know Leadsom has neither the votes, nor the balls, to move against him. So all she's done is let him know he's getting under her skin, and she's powerless to stop it.
Can they do it is a procedural question. Should they do it is a political question.0 -
Nah, it's just gammons shivving gammons. No one cares about that.Donny43 said:
Too busy to notice, maybe.Stark_Dawning said:Curious. We were confidently told that the crime surge would sink Khan. What happened? Are Londoners a bit too thick to notice, or do they place the blame elsewhere?
I'm not sure if the penny has dropped that the excuse for the next tube strike is that LU sacked a driver who failed a drugs test.
OT: I see Mrs May is once more LARPing the Book of Job. Poor woman.0 -
Crime and blame? Maybe some voters blame the EU for sending all those foreign criminals the Brexiteers warned about. If voters want more police, they blame the government and especially Theresa May for police cuts.Stark_Dawning said:Curious. We were confidently told that the crime surge would sink Khan. What happened? Are Londoners a bit too thick to notice, or do they place the blame elsewhere?
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F---ing hell.
May told the EU that she was pulling the vote before she told Cabinet, let alone her own party, let alone the House.
Hence Gove saying "yes, it's 100% going ahead".
This should be worth another half-dozen letters to Graham Brady Old Lady...
https://www.buzzfeed.com/albertonardelli/theresa-may-told-eu-leaders-brexit-vote-pulled0 -
There is a motion down from Labour to that effect, isn't there?kle4 said:
Can't the opposition and rebels criticise how the house is treated? If it is a legitimate thing the gov can do then that is that, if he's asked can they do it. The speaker doesn't need to step in when plenty are already going to make the point about if they should do it.grabcocque said:
I think Bercow was absolutely right to shame the government. The grand old Duke of Leadsom marched parliament 60% of the way to the top of the hill and then ran away in terror. May deserves every dressing down she gets, with the contemptible way she's treated the house.kle4 said:
I agree the speaker must stand up to an overbearing government. But Bercow seems to be openly condemning the government even when he acknowledges they are within their rights to pick one of two options, and makes interventions which are points the opposition would more appropriately make.
I don't want or expect Bercow to give the government an easy time, that is not his job, but it is no secret the gov hates him and he hates it, and he should do a better job of pretending otherwise.
In any case, it's all piss and wind since they both know Leadsom has neither the votes, nor the balls, to move against him. So all she's done is let him know he's getting under her skin, and she's powerless to stop it.
Can they do it is a procedural question. Should they do it is a political question.0 -
There was a non zero probability Bercow could have interpreted the rules similiar to the way you/Chris Bryant pointed out. I think Leadsom's comments were ill judged this morning.grabcocque said:
I think Bercow was absolutely right to shame the government. The grand old Duke of Leadsom marched parliament 60% of the way to the top of the hill and then ran away in terror. May deserves every dressing down she gets, with the contemptible way she's treated the house.kle4 said:
I agree the speaker must stand up to an overbearing government. But Bercow seems to be openly condemning the government even when he acknowledges they are within their rights to pick one of two options, and makes interventions which are points the opposition would more appropriately make.
I don't want or expect Bercow to give the government an easy time, that is not his job, but it is no secret the gov hates him and he hates it, and he should do a better job of pretending otherwise.
In any case, it's all piss and wind since they both know Leadsom has neither the votes, nor the balls, to move against him. So all she's done is let him know he's getting under her skin, and she's powerless to stop it.0 -
He won't get it now, he is way too partisan. And probably would struggle to keep order anyhow.kle4 said:
Rees Mogg!grabcocque said:
Bercow won't be speaker at the next election. Time for the Tories to start thinking about what Speaker they want to gift the Labour/SNP government.Donny43 said:
Not if he gives off the impression that he would be much more slack if the other side were in power,grabcocque said:
A good Speaker stands up for the rights of Parliament against an overbearing and overmighty executive.kle4 said:
That's yes then. Bercow is without balance at the moment, he's losing it.El_Capitano said:
Depends on the Speaker AIUI.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1072467238630887424
He can't can he?
Thus, if the government is pissed off with them, it's a sign they are doing their job properly.
The fact I have a quid on that has nothing to do with this (It was from before he became the main rent a quote chap)
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If, say, Khan were to decide that he wants to be London Mayor indefinitely then the voters in general are likely to tire of him before the Labour party does. That would then open the door to a different candidate who could appeal to instinctively Labour voters.brendan16 said:
I think its highly probable that the Tories will never win the London Mayoralty ever again - it will be a Labour held post unless some exceptional independent perhaps big business figure runs. Even the outer London fiefdoms like Bromley and Havering will go Labour eventually.SeanT said:
He's got the Remain vote, the BAME vote, the trad Labour vote, the EU nationals' vote (if they don't emigrate). It's a massive natural majority.Stark_Dawning said:Curious. We were confidently told that the crime surge would sink Khan. What happened? Are Londoners a bit too thick to notice, or do they place the blame elsewhere?
It's also quite depressing, as he is measurably poor as a mayor. Demonstrably worse than Johnson (crime, Tfl etc).
The only hope for antiKhan Londoners like me is that the Crossrail debacle will bring him down. It is not unthinkable.
The demographics make that all but certain.0 -
The rights of the House are the Speaker's responsibility. Certainly a member *may* raise a Point of Order asking for the Speaker to make a ruling. But the Speaker should be quite willing to defend the rights of the house of their own volition, not just when requested by a Point of Order.kle4 said:
Can't the opposition and rebels criticise how the house is treated? If it is a legitimate thing the gov can do then that is that, if he's asked can they do it. The speaker doesn't need to step in when plenty are already going to make the point about if they should do it.grabcocque said:
I think Bercow was absolutely right to shame the government. The grand old Duke of Leadsom marched parliament 60% of the way to the top of the hill and then ran away in terror. May deserves every dressing down she gets, with the contemptible way she's treated the house.kle4 said:
I agree the speaker must stand up to an overbearing government. But Bercow seems to be openly condemning the government even when he acknowledges they are within their rights to pick one of two options, and makes interventions which are points the opposition would more appropriately make.
I don't want or expect Bercow to give the government an easy time, that is not his job, but it is no secret the gov hates him and he hates it, and he should do a better job of pretending otherwise.
In any case, it's all piss and wind since they both know Leadsom has neither the votes, nor the balls, to move against him. So all she's done is let him know he's getting under her skin, and she's powerless to stop it.
Can they do it is a procedural question. Should they do it is a political question.
That said, the level to which speakers are active vs reactive varies a lot. Betty Boothroyd and John Bercow were much more active speakers than Michael Martin, who was a very reactive speaker.0 -
Next speaker - Hoyle must be heavy odds on ?0
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Yep, very good.SeanT said:This, remarkably, is a very good thread from a nutty "anarcho-Marxist" Corbynite aged about 13.
She understands why Remain lost, exactly, and analyses, acutely, why they might easily lose a 2nd vote, too.
https://twitter.com/AyoCaesar/status/10724298105074974720 -
Yes, that's an excellent thread.SeanT said:This, remarkably, is a very good thread from a nutty "anarcho-Marxist" Corbynite aged about 13.
She understands why Remain lost, exactly, and analyses, acutely, why they might easily lose a 2nd vote, too.
But I think contained in it is the reason why Remain has a much better chance this time. She says:
"They've made the fight about broad political values (sovereignty, control as embodied by the functioning of borders, national identity) bolstered by the occasional figure, (£350mil) or policy area (fishing). Brexit didn't win on a manifesto, it won on emotionally resonant memes."
That is indeed how Remain will fight EUref2. And their emotionally resonant meme is going to be "fight the gammon".
EUref1 was (broadly speaking) about old and working class people voting against a polity that has been taken from them, using the EU as a symbol of that.
EUref2 is going to be about young and middle class people voting against a polity that is otherwise about to be taken from them. The young and middle class are going to fight EUref2 in a way they never really fought EUref1, complacently believing it was in the bag.
Those who say "beware the division that EUref2 might awaken" are half-right. Half-right in that it will be divisive, but half-wrong in that there is an option to let the division sleep. There isn't. It's too late for that now.0 -
A Corbynite has worked out that populist bullshit wins votes?SeanT said:This, remarkably, is a very good thread from a nutty "anarcho-Marxist" Corbynite aged about 13.
She understands why Remain lost, exactly, and analyses, acutely, why they might easily lose a 2nd vote, too.
https://twitter.com/AyoCaesar/status/1072429810507497472
Really?
Wow.0 -
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I think that Remain have to keep the vote focused on May's deal (which we know is unpopular) to be sure of winning.El_Capitano said:
Yes, that's an excellent thread.SeanT said:This, remarkably, is a very good thread from a nutty "anarcho-Marxist" Corbynite aged about 13.
She understands why Remain lost, exactly, and analyses, acutely, why they might easily lose a 2nd vote, too.
But I think contained in it is the reason why Remain has a much better chance this time. She says:
"They've made the fight about broad political values (sovereignty, control as embodied by the functioning of borders, national identity) bolstered by the occasional figure, (£350mil) or policy area (fishing). Brexit didn't win on a manifesto, it won on emotionally resonant memes."
That is indeed how Remain will fight EUref2. And their emotionally resonant meme is going to be "fight the gammon".
EUref1 was (broadly speaking) about old and working class people voting against a polity that has been taken from them, using the EU as a symbol of that.
EUref2 is going to be about young and middle class people voting against a polity that is otherwise about to be taken from them. The young and middle class are going to fight EUref2 in a way they never really fought EUref1, complacently believing it was in the bag.
Those who say "beware the division that EUref2 might awaken" are half-right. Half-right in that it will be divisive, but half-wrong in that there is an option to let the division sleep. There isn't. It's too late for that now.
If it's simply a vote on whether or not to revoke A50, then there's a good chance Remain will lose.0 -
I am sure among the more nuttier elements of the Left his work with the Rothschild family won't go unnoticed.SeanT said:
i think JRM would make a very fine Chancellor. No, stop. Really. He's a ridiculous figure in many ways (which is why he must not go near the leadership) but he's also logical, lucid, calm and astute, solid under pressure, and very good with money (see his CV). He'd be an absolute hate figure for the Left, but he clearky doesn't give a fuck what people think of him (and yay for that) so he'd soak up a lot of the ire of the Guardianistas, leaving the PM (whoever that might be) less menaced.grabcocque said:
You know, I... think he'd make a good speaker.kle4 said:
Rees Mogg!grabcocque said:
Bercow won't be speaker at the next election. Time for the Tories to start thinking about what Speaker they want to gift the Labour/SNP government.Donny43 said:
Not if he gives off the impression that he would be much more slack if the other side were in power,grabcocque said:
A good Speaker stands up for the rights of Parliament against an overbearing and overmighty executive.kle4 said:
That's yes then. Bercow is without balance at the moment, he's losing it.El_Capitano said:
Depends on the Speaker AIUI.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1072467238630887424
He can't can he?
Thus, if the government is pissed off with them, it's a sign they are doing their job properly.
The fact I have a quid on that has nothing to do with this (It was from before he became the main rent a quote chap)
You just made me say a nice thing about JRM.
You bastard.
As a Brexiteer, he would also have to carry the can for managing the economy through Deal or No Deal turbulence.
And appointing him would appease the ERG.
JRM for Chancellor!0 -
How do we know how many letters this Brady arsehole really has? He could be throwing them in the bin for all we know.El_Capitano said:F---ing hell.
May told the EU that she was pulling the vote before she told Cabinet, let alone her own party, let alone the House.
Hence Gove saying "yes, it's 100% going ahead".
This should be worth another half-dozen letters to Graham Brady Old Lady...
https://www.buzzfeed.com/albertonardelli/theresa-may-told-eu-leaders-brexit-vote-pulled0 -
What do you mean? Now we cross to exclusive footage inside Brady's office.Dura_Ace said:
How do we know how many letters this Brady arsehole really has? He could be throwing them in the bin for all we know.El_Capitano said:F---ing hell.
May told the EU that she was pulling the vote before she told Cabinet, let alone her own party, let alone the House.
Hence Gove saying "yes, it's 100% going ahead".
This should be worth another half-dozen letters to Graham Brady Old Lady...
https://www.buzzfeed.com/albertonardelli/theresa-may-told-eu-leaders-brexit-vote-pulled
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He apparently can't count to 48SeanT said:i think JRM would make a very fine Chancellor. No, stop. Really. He's a ridiculous figure in many ways (which is why he must not go near the leadership) but he's also logical, lucid, calm and astute, solid under pressure, and very good with money
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It seems pretty clear to me that the only referendum question that will be permitted by the House, and the Electoral Commission, and the European Council, will be Remain vs May's Deal.Sean_F said:
If it's simply a vote on whether or not to revoke A50, then there's a good chance Remain will lose.
You might be tempted to think a referendum in those circumstances would be a foregone conclusion, but I'd never make such a prediction.0 -
Ah, yes, the Meaningless Vote.IanB2 said:
There is a motion down from Labour to that effect, isn't there?kle4 said:
Can't the opposition and rebels criticise how the house is treated? If it is a legitimate thing the gov can do then that is that, if he's asked can they do it. The speaker doesn't need to step in when plenty are already going to make the point about if they should do it.grabcocque said:
I think Bercow was absolutely right to shame the government. The grand old Duke of Leadsom marched parliament 60% of the way to the top of the hill and then ran away in terror. May deserves every dressing down she gets, with the contemptible way she's treated the house.kle4 said:
I agree the speaker must stand up to an overbearing government. But Bercow seems to be openly condemning the government even when he acknowledges they are within their rights to pick one of two options, and makes interventions which are points the opposition would more appropriately make.
I don't want or expect Bercow to give the government an easy time, that is not his job, but it is no secret the gov hates him and he hates it, and he should do a better job of pretending otherwise.
In any case, it's all piss and wind since they both know Leadsom has neither the votes, nor the balls, to move against him. So all she's done is let him know he's getting under her skin, and she's powerless to stop it.
Can they do it is a procedural question. Should they do it is a political question.0 -
Yes, she's dangerous in that respect. I was staggered that my wife's public-school educated Cambridge-graduate young lawyer nephew was taken in by the Momentum videos on Facebook, to the extent that he voted for Corbyn in 2017 (and in Westminster, too, FFS!). He didn't even realise that he'd been the target of propaganda. Looking at Ms Sarkar's Twitter pages, that sort of propaganda video is exactly what she and her colleagues do. It's going to be a hell of a challenge seeing off that sort of stuff.Scott_P said:
A Corbynite has worked out that populist bullshit wins votes?SeanT said:This, remarkably, is a very good thread from a nutty "anarcho-Marxist" Corbynite aged about 13.
She understands why Remain lost, exactly, and analyses, acutely, why they might easily lose a 2nd vote, too.
https://twitter.com/AyoCaesar/status/1072429810507497472
Really?
Wow.0 -
So far, these student protesters in Paris are very boring. Just turned on the live stream and they all appear to be standing around smoking with one humorously wearing a traffic cone (I kid you not).0
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He'll have more than 48 right now I expect - but they won't be authorised to be 'used' till the moment of maximum May weakness, losing the meaningful vote.Dura_Ace said:
How do we know how many letters this Brady arsehole really has? He could be throwing them in the bin for all we know.El_Capitano said:F---ing hell.
May told the EU that she was pulling the vote before she told Cabinet, let alone her own party, let alone the House.
Hence Gove saying "yes, it's 100% going ahead".
This should be worth another half-dozen letters to Graham Brady Old Lady...
https://www.buzzfeed.com/albertonardelli/theresa-may-told-eu-leaders-brexit-vote-pulled0 -
Time for Recorded Delivery?Dura_Ace said:
How do we know how many letters this Brady arsehole really has? He could be throwing them in the bin for all we know.El_Capitano said:F---ing hell.
May told the EU that she was pulling the vote before she told Cabinet, let alone her own party, let alone the House.
Hence Gove saying "yes, it's 100% going ahead".
This should be worth another half-dozen letters to Graham Brady Old Lady...
https://www.buzzfeed.com/albertonardelli/theresa-may-told-eu-leaders-brexit-vote-pulled0 -
You realise, of course, if the UK goes full Yellow Jacket, Comrade Corbyn will be happy as a pig in shit. Violent revolution! Finally something interesting to talk about instead of bloody Brexit.0
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The Chelsea fan accused of calling Raheem Sterling a 'f***ing black c***' has been unmasked today and said: 'I want to apologise unreservedly to Raheem. I’m deeply ashamed by my behaviour'.
Colin Wing, 60, was caught on camera screaming insults at the Manchester City player in a Premier League match at Stamford Bridge on Saturday - but he denies the abuse was racist.
Mr Wing, from Beckenham, south-east London, says that he has lost his job and his season ticket at Chelsea, after 50 years watching the club, adding: 'Everybody’s got what they wanted'.
The married father-of-two, who lives in a £500,000 house and is believed to be a former BT manager, insists that he called Mr Sterling a 'Manc c***' not a 'black c***', although the England star is understood to have told police he heard racist language.
Mr Wing said: ‘I’m deeply ashamed by my own behaviour and I feel really bad. But I didn’t call him a black c***, I called him a Manc c***.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6481297/Chelsea-fan-accused-racially-abusing-Sterling-says-called-MANC-c-not-black-one.html
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Your missus?SeanT said:This, remarkably, is a very good thread from a nutty "anarcho-Marxist" Corbynite aged about 13.
She understands why Remain lost, exactly, and analyses, acutely, why they might easily lose a 2nd vote, too.
https://twitter.com/AyoCaesar/status/10724298105074974720 -
He and McDonnell will be out there rioting against themselves.grabcocque said:You realise, of course, if the UK goes full Yellow Jacket, Comrade Corbyn will be happy as a pig in shit. Violent revolution! Finally something interesting to talk about instead of bloody Brexit.
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Yes, that was obvious from the video. It's possible he also called him "black" off camera, I suppose.TheScreamingEagles said:Mr Wing said: ‘I’m deeply ashamed by my own behaviour and I feel really bad. But I didn’t call him a black c***, I called him a Manc c***.
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This is a £500,000 house?
Christ, Southerners are being robbed blind.0 -
Of course all the letters are in from (Well the vast majority) the hardcore Brexit faction so whilst the ship appears to be sailing toward "No Deal" they won't move.Pulpstar said:
He'll have more than 48 right now I expect - but they won't be authorised to be 'used' till the moment of maximum May weakness, losing the meaningful vote.Dura_Ace said:
How do we know how many letters this Brady arsehole really has? He could be throwing them in the bin for all we know.El_Capitano said:F---ing hell.
May told the EU that she was pulling the vote before she told Cabinet, let alone her own party, let alone the House.
Hence Gove saying "yes, it's 100% going ahead".
This should be worth another half-dozen letters to Graham Brady Old Lady...
https://www.buzzfeed.com/albertonardelli/theresa-may-told-eu-leaders-brexit-vote-pulled
May delaying this vote has made me feel better about being on her survival till year end.0 -
He said he doesn't accept post dated letters.Pulpstar said:
He'll have more than 48 right now I expect - but they won't be authorised to be 'used' till the moment of maximum May weakness, losing the meaningful vote.Dura_Ace said:
How do we know how many letters this Brady arsehole really has? He could be throwing them in the bin for all we know.El_Capitano said:F---ing hell.
May told the EU that she was pulling the vote before she told Cabinet, let alone her own party, let alone the House.
Hence Gove saying "yes, it's 100% going ahead".
This should be worth another half-dozen letters to Graham Brady Old Lady...
https://www.buzzfeed.com/albertonardelli/theresa-may-told-eu-leaders-brexit-vote-pulled0 -
On the other hand it means I can enjoy Liverpool v Napoli without having to worry about the vote.
https://twitter.com/Kevin_Maguire/status/10724877527368785920 -
He sounds like the inverse of most DPD delivery drivers. If you don't answer the door within 5s of them ringing the bell, you must be out and they are taking that parcel back to the depot.TheScreamingEagles said:
He said he doesn't accept post dated letters.Pulpstar said:
He'll have more than 48 right now I expect - but they won't be authorised to be 'used' till the moment of maximum May weakness, losing the meaningful vote.Dura_Ace said:
How do we know how many letters this Brady arsehole really has? He could be throwing them in the bin for all we know.El_Capitano said:F---ing hell.
May told the EU that she was pulling the vote before she told Cabinet, let alone her own party, let alone the House.
Hence Gove saying "yes, it's 100% going ahead".
This should be worth another half-dozen letters to Graham Brady Old Lady...
https://www.buzzfeed.com/albertonardelli/theresa-may-told-eu-leaders-brexit-vote-pulled0 -
Ken Clarke MP on the WATO showing real class and putting the boot into some of his colleagues. A great pity he is not our PM.
On topic, Khan seems a bit 'meh' to be honest. I don't really see the point of the Mayor. Or what he is doing for London, particularly. But I think he will likely win again, unless he gets tripped up by something like Crossrail.0 -
That dolt Andrea Jenkyns said there were "mid-40s" on DP. So only another three to go. Quite mind-boggling, thinking about it how there is no prevaricating, no "let me answer that this way" type of dodging by the nutters. They are straight Route 1 the leader of my Party must go.Pulpstar said:
He'll have more than 48 right now I expect - but they won't be authorised to be 'used' till the moment of maximum May weakness, losing the meaningful vote.Dura_Ace said:
How do we know how many letters this Brady arsehole really has? He could be throwing them in the bin for all we know.El_Capitano said:F---ing hell.
May told the EU that she was pulling the vote before she told Cabinet, let alone her own party, let alone the House.
Hence Gove saying "yes, it's 100% going ahead".
This should be worth another half-dozen letters to Graham Brady Old Lady...
https://www.buzzfeed.com/albertonardelli/theresa-may-told-eu-leaders-brexit-vote-pulled0 -
I thought he might before he got big for his boots.grabcocque said:
You know, I... think he'd make a good speaker.kle4 said:
Rees Mogg!grabcocque said:
Bercow won't be speaker at the next election. Time for the Tories to start thinking about what Speaker they want to gift the Labour/SNP government.Donny43 said:
Not if he gives off the impression that he would be much more slack if the other side were in power,grabcocque said:
A good Speaker stands up for the rights of Parliament against an overbearing and overmighty executive.kle4 said:
That's yes then. Bercow is without balance at the moment, he's losing it.El_Capitano said:
Depends on the Speaker AIUI.rottenborough said:https://twitter.com/BethRigby/status/1072467238630887424
He can't can he?
Thus, if the government is pissed off with them, it's a sign they are doing their job properly.
The fact I have a quid on that has nothing to do with this (It was from before he became the main rent a quote chap)
You just made me say a nice thing about JRM.
You bastard.0 -
Just finished watching Ken Burns Vietnam on Netflix
absolutley brilliant.0 -
LondoninnitTheScreamingEagles said:This is a £500,000 house?
Christ, Southerners are being robbed blind.0 -
The ERG continue to move the goalposts . They will vote against any deal and want a no deal . Will the country be held to ransom by these nutjobs ?
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Remember when disloyalty was all done by anonymous briefing !?TOPPING said:
That dolt Andrea Jenkyns said there were "mid-40s" on DP. So only another three to go. Quite mind-boggling, thinking about it how there is no prevaricating, no "let me answer that this way" type of dodging by the nutters. They are straight Route 1 the leader of my Party must go.Pulpstar said:
He'll have more than 48 right now I expect - but they won't be authorised to be 'used' till the moment of maximum May weakness, losing the meaningful vote.Dura_Ace said:
How do we know how many letters this Brady arsehole really has? He could be throwing them in the bin for all we know.El_Capitano said:F---ing hell.
May told the EU that she was pulling the vote before she told Cabinet, let alone her own party, let alone the House.
Hence Gove saying "yes, it's 100% going ahead".
This should be worth another half-dozen letters to Graham Brady Old Lady...
https://www.buzzfeed.com/albertonardelli/theresa-may-told-eu-leaders-brexit-vote-pulled0 -
That would be hilarious. The price for his knighthood?Dura_Ace said:
How do we know how many letters this Brady arsehole really has? He could be throwing them in the bin for all we know.El_Capitano said:F---ing hell.
May told the EU that she was pulling the vote before she told Cabinet, let alone her own party, let alone the House.
Hence Gove saying "yes, it's 100% going ahead".
This should be worth another half-dozen letters to Graham Brady Old Lady...
https://www.buzzfeed.com/albertonardelli/theresa-may-told-eu-leaders-brexit-vote-pulled
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We discussed this the other day - it's fantastic - I am at E.7 so just the denouement to go. Amazing treatment.Alanbrooke said:Just finished watching Ken Burns Vietnam on Netflix
absolutley brilliant.0 -
Yes - its something short of miraculour that the letter total is not 148 - unless one or 2 people have been tellimh porkies.El_Capitano said:F---ing hell.
May told the EU that she was pulling the vote before she told Cabinet, let alone her own party, let alone the House.
Hence Gove saying "yes, it's 100% going ahead".
This should be worth another half-dozen letters to Graham Brady Old Lady...
https://www.buzzfeed.com/albertonardelli/theresa-may-told-eu-leaders-brexit-vote-pulled0 -
That seems to be about the only thing that makes sense about this whole madness.TheScreamingEagles said:
He said he doesn't accept post dated letters.Pulpstar said:
He'll have more than 48 right now I expect - but they won't be authorised to be 'used' till the moment of maximum May weakness, losing the meaningful vote.Dura_Ace said:
How do we know how many letters this Brady arsehole really has? He could be throwing them in the bin for all we know.El_Capitano said:F---ing hell.
May told the EU that she was pulling the vote before she told Cabinet, let alone her own party, let alone the House.
Hence Gove saying "yes, it's 100% going ahead".
This should be worth another half-dozen letters to Graham Brady Old Lady...
https://www.buzzfeed.com/albertonardelli/theresa-may-told-eu-leaders-brexit-vote-pulled0 -
Apologies, a mistake in my previous post: it wasn't Westminster in which my wife's nephew voted Labour (that wouldn't have been so bad...) it was much worse that that: Kensington, won by the utterly detestable Emma Dent Coad by just 20 votes!0
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yes it was that discussion which prompted me to watch it. I can remember a lot of the key events from when I was growing up,TOPPING said:
We discussed this the other day - it's fantastic - I am at E.7 so just the denouement to go. Amazing treatment.Alanbrooke said:Just finished watching Ken Burns Vietnam on Netflix
absolutley brilliant.0 -
The difference is, we can afford it....RochdalePioneers said:
LondoninnitTheScreamingEagles said:This is a £500,000 house?
Christ, Southerners are being robbed blind.0 -
I hope he's learnt the error of his ways.Richard_Nabavi said:Apologies, a mistake in my previous post: it wasn't Westminster in which my wife's nephew voted Labour (that wouldn't have been so bad...) it was much worse that that: Kensington, won by the utterly detestable Emma Dent Coad by just 20 votes!
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I gave him a good dressing down when we took him for dinner at Fera in Claridges, as you would expect.Pulpstar said:
I hope he's learnt the error of his ways.Richard_Nabavi said:Apologies, a mistake in my previous post: it wasn't Westminster in which my wife's nephew voted Labour (that wouldn't have been so bad...) it was much worse that that: Kensington, won by the utterly detestable Emma Dent Coad by just 20 votes!
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I actually like DPD, but then I have a decent local driver.FrancisUrquhart said:
He sounds like the inverse of most DPD delivery drivers. If you don't answer the door within 5s of them ringing the bell, you must be out and they are taking that parcel back to the depot.TheScreamingEagles said:
He said he doesn't accept post dated letters.Pulpstar said:
He'll have more than 48 right now I expect - but they won't be authorised to be 'used' till the moment of maximum May weakness, losing the meaningful vote.Dura_Ace said:
How do we know how many letters this Brady arsehole really has? He could be throwing them in the bin for all we know.El_Capitano said:F---ing hell.
May told the EU that she was pulling the vote before she told Cabinet, let alone her own party, let alone the House.
Hence Gove saying "yes, it's 100% going ahead".
This should be worth another half-dozen letters to Graham Brady Old Lady...
https://www.buzzfeed.com/albertonardelli/theresa-may-told-eu-leaders-brexit-vote-pulled0
